That's exactly how I think of it too. I'm not tired of super heroes, but I'm very tired of bad movies with superheroes in them. Marvel movies used to be fun, now they aren't. And they make too many movies and shows.
It absolutely is fatigue. They’re not great but they’re not that bad either. If any of these “bad” movies or shows came out when the hype was at its peak they wouldn’t have been considered bad.
@@starwrs3468 No. They are horrible. The stories and characters are completely inconsistent. Since Stanley died there's only been one good marvel movie and that's spider man no way home. I let Endgame slide because I really wanted to love it.
I think the problem is less fatigue of superheroes in general, and more people starting to get fed up with mediocre and bad products. Like comics have been around telling superhero stories for decades, but many people are still invested in those characters and stories to this day, even after sometimes having been reading these stories for decades.
Yea, people aren't tired of Captain America and the Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnarök or Infinity War, they're tired of the absolutely horrendously boring and 2002-esque mediocrity that is Black Adam, Shazam 2 and utter garbage like Thor 4 or Ant Man 3.
"Thor the Dark World" was a weak film, but it didn't provoke the anger that "Thor Love and Thunder" did because "Thor the Dark World" still respected the characters and didn't include a snarky sequence that poked fun of the idea of Thor movies.
That's what I've been saying this whole time, Dark World was not great at any cost, but it did one thing that both Ragnarok and Love & Thunder weren't able to do, respect the characters and Thor as a whole, the Waititi films turned him into a incompetent, immature, moron just to make other characters look cooler
Thor love and thunder was just stupid humor shoved down peoples throats even Chris hemsworth realized that after it was released and the screaming goats nearly gave me a brain attack lol
I completely agree with what you said about Disney+. It is absolutely the WORST thing to have happened to the MCU. Getting shitty shows pushed down your throat every 2 weeks really contributed to that oversaturation and fatigue
A lot of these MCU shows feel like they were originally going to be movies. But Disney decided to stretch them out and turn them into shows in order to put them on Disney +
Superhero movies used to be an experience. Something you HAD to be there to witness. Now it feels like everyone hops on the train, just cause for money
Yep. I’m legitimately thankful that I lived through the birth and peak of the MCU in real time. Feeling the community and anticipation of each movie was an EVENT… now it’s just dead. Let’s be grateful for what we got, remember the good times and move on to something else
No they’ve always been this way, easy cash grabs. Its just that we all remember the spectacular event films the most and easily associate all superhero films from that era with the likes of the Avengers movies.
I think that GOOD superhero movies do still have a market, but the days where you could put anything with superheroes in cinemas and make a shot ton of money are over.
The problem is how would fans know which super hero movie is going to be fun? There are so many coming out, i think people are refusing to see any because of oversaturation.
Honestly, I think that's for the best. It's the only way we'll get more good comic book movies. If that means fewer of them, I will happily make that sacrifice.
One huge problem they have also is that they believe using "multiverse" will somehow raise the stakes but it does the exact opposite because of they are multiple universes where you can bring back any dead character say any time then why should I care really
Also if you want to keep the Marvel universe going on for a long time, you don't kill Steve Rogers or Tony Stark, ever. It seems that sonce Game of Thrones people want to kill characters, just because. It worked in GoT, it doesn't in a universe supported by key characters. I understand actors don't want to be Iron Man or Captain America forever, then, recast. Batman is constantly recast, I don't think it hurts its movies (same with James Bond).
@@nikolaytablet1394 End yet, they’re completely failing in that aspect besides NWH and MAYBE the exception of What If…? Multiverse of Madness was a complete and utter disappointment because the movie showed like what? Only three multiverses in the entire movie? The leaks didn’t help as well with the fact that the movie actually could’ve been really awesome, but of course the Disney execs had to rewrite it and make it a total DUD.
@@Vulmio I agree. They honestly shouldn’t have killed anyone in that movie. If they really wanted to kill someone, I guess they could’ve went with Hawkeye because I don’t know if anyone would be that pissed if he were to be the one that was killed off.
@@LordTylerBluGunderson marvel now slow down the things and they are gonna have time to make the things good The entire reason phase 4 was bad was because disney want as much content as possible and marvel didn't have time to make the things good But now they delayed everything and they are gonna have time to find good writers, to make there cgi good, to find good directors Marvel are slowly returning
Thor Love and Thunder irritated me mainly due to the fact that Gor felt like the logical next step for a villain after Thanos. You had a godlike being who wiped out half the universe. Yes, it was undone but by the avengers not the gods (aside from Thor) which he could use as a rallying cry to recruit followers to his cause that "All gods are evil and must be destroyed" and you can add in that tragic part of him losing his wife and daughter and showing how he genuinely believes what he is doing is right and thinks the way so many gods treat the lives of mortals as disposable as being what is truly evil. After all, what gives these beings the right to play with our lives and what makes them think they are entitled to our worship and praise when they turn their back on their own people? And Thor would obviously represent the opposite of this belief because he is a God but one who was humbled by humanity and become a better person for it. He views Earth as his new home now and the people who inhabit it as things he must protect. Not only that, I could see Thor getting into ideological clashes with other members of the avengers who would understand Gor's point of view. Because of the multiple times godlike beings have attempted to commit mass genocide in recent years such as Ego, Arishem, Loki to an extent, Thanos, Dormammu, etc. So what right would Thor have to call Gor evil when he only target's gods? Sure there are good gods, but how long til the good ones like Thor become just as uncaring and capricious and decide that humanity isn't worth saving? After all, They are immortal beings so they rarely ever have to grasp with their own supposed mortality unlike mortal races and are arrogant to a fault because of it.
If i had a nickel for ever time I read a fan theory which was infinitely times better than the crap we're getting currently.. I'd be a millionaire by now! Seriously, someone hire this guy and all the guys out there who are giving better scripts on the internet as compared to multi billion dollar corporate houses
I know it may sound strange, but Thor dark world is one of my favorite Marvel movies, I know he's not as grand as infinity war, but it was the movie that always treated Thor in the way that it should be serious and that he always sacrificed himself to save what you love and also seeing them show Asgard and Norse Mythology was so cool,i like lady siff and warriors of Thor who had some importance during the first two movies and it was always cool to see them together and see in Ragnarok and love thunder that idiot Waititi treats Thor, Loki and the other characters like that all dying stupidly and Norse mythology being disrespected during those crappy movies. And my dream was always that the final Thor movie would be about Ragnarok, but only this time with a big director and who knows Norse mythology making the final film of Thor, with the characters treated in a serious and respectful way, I am imagining here Odin, Loki, Thor and lady siff and warriors together with the army of Asgard facing Ragnarok as it was in serious mythology the ending they deserved
Except Thor doesn't see earth as home..he's wandering with the guardians. He's never seen earth as home. More like a nice university he has friends or boarding school. And he isn't the biggest fan of humanity. He doesn't hate humanity. But Thor left new Asgard. He sees earth as just another realm he enjoys going to like 1 of many vacation homes. And no one on earth really knows about ego, arishem, or dormammu. They all are involved with plans involving earth but humans I'm the mcu didn't know why the weird plant near dairy queen started growing. Only guardians know. Arishem was some weird floating rock head that appeared in the sky and then disappeared. Eternals know but not humans what that was about. Dormammu was only known to sorcerers. Maybe a few thousand in Hong Kong. Also I think you and many people who saw L&T miss the obvious imo message. Don't worship or serve gods or politicians, just love each other and enjoy life with loved ones. Taikia clearly insinuates gods are just like politicians. They are kind of these rulers in their own realm making decisions that can effect massive populations for better or for worst and people rely on but in the end even the good ones like Thor are kinda assholes and to be disregarded. Instead focus on a better tomorrow with your loved ones
I agree. I am tired of the superhero genre. Hollywood goes through phases where it hits upon a success and then milks it for all its worth. Churning out the same formulaic films in a cycle of wash, rinse and repeat. In the 60s we had Westerns, 70s cop dramas, 80s Sci-Fi and slasher flicks, 90s everything vampires, 00s zombies, and now superheros. Time to move onto to the next fad....
@ভাঙ্গা খারাপ Yup video games will be next sadly. I couldn't care less about superhero films or comic books because it was never my thing. I'm a video game fan on the other hand so I know hollywood is definitely going to tamper with, milk, and insert their political ideologies in characters that I actually like. Haven't watched a single movie since The Irishman and I don't even know how long before that so it matters little to me what hollywood decides to do
It's not necessarily the genre, it's just bad storytelling and laziness. These companies need to have directors and writers that have a decent track record. They thought, just because ppl liked a certain character(s) then it didn't matter who wrote the story or what they do, and that is the problem. After a certain point, ppl catch on to the lack of integrity, and start dropping off. It's not fatigue or anything like that, it's just no1 wants to watch some lame ish, especially when theater prices are so high as well
@@calebjennings4349 Yep. Disney and DC have been kind of duds recently. Hopefully James Gunn will put it back on the right track, but Blue Beetle just looks like another mediocre Marvel-like movie. That “Batman’s a facist!” line at the end of the trailer didn’t help one bit.
Lack of integrity. That's exactly right. Even dummies that pay for this shit have begun to notice that the filmmakers don't care about them, they're tricking them into cheap laughs and paying 17 bucks for a ticket for something equivalent to junk food.
In 2018, I would declare "Anything with Marvel's name on it is gold, and a must-see." After Endgame, I was satisfied and needed nothing further. After no Way Home, I felt complete, in a way I hadn't previously identified. after Shang Chi, I rejoiced at the marriage of superheroes and Kung Fu. Those were the standouts of phase 4 for me, honourable mention to Wakanda Forever for delivering well on an impossible brief, flaws and all. The latter MCU projects, including Dr Strange 2, Thor 4 and everything on Disney plus were either over-indulgent, a let down, or both. For a while now, the MCU has felt milked to excess; the films undercooked and/or unnecessary, and lacking creative exploration or collective direction. I used to escape heavily into these films, now I hope to be able to follow a cohesive story. I no longer rush, or even go out of my way to see superhero films, DC included; I'm tired of wasting money on duds, so I'll see it when I see it. Sadly, that means when something epic comes along I likely won't see it at the cinema, which, in 2019, was my favourite place to be. How times have changed. Let's hope Disney doesn't ruin Deadpool 3.
Agreed. It's too much too fast. Quality will always be better than quantity. Less is more. Substance. Detail. Passion. Depth. These things matter. Movies like Everything Everywhere All At Once or Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio are examples of how one good movie is better than 50 mediocre movies.
The problem isn't over saturation. If movie studios were releasing amazing and entertaining superhero movies every month, I would gladly go to the movies to watch them. The problem is the studios have gotten lazy and arrogant, and they think they can release trash movies, and continue to trick audiences into watching them. If all superhero movies were at least as entertaining as the earlier Marvel films, they would still be making a lot of money. But Marvel's latest films have been mediocre or poor, full of woke pandering, and predictable jokes. That's why these movies are failing.
The Batman worked last year because the movie started, and then the movie ended. PERIOD. It didn’t need a whole universe, it could be a movie by itself. Definitely the best comic book movie of 2022
I’m fatigued of superheroes as movies. Like there’s a few characters like Batman, superman, Spider-Man, Iron-man and after that I just don’t care enough to see it as a movie
I view the fatigue as more of a symptom of the greater problem rather than the problem itself. Hypothetically speaking, if every single superhero film that came out in the last 15 years was a masterpiece, then I don't think people would be all that fatigued of it. If every film somehow managed to bring something fresh to the genre, then I think people would really eat it up. The issue, of course, is that it's impossible to pump out this many films of the same genre and not have a high level of repetitiveness. If you factor in the lower production times in conjunction with a lack of creativity and some agenda-based messaging, then you have a recipe for an apathetic audience. In the same way that Star Wars never died, I don't think the superhero genre will ever die either. It may decrease in popularity, and it might even vanish from the cinemas for a given period of time, but eventually, it will come back with fresh vigour.
Super hero comics have been extremely creative and unique in the past - It is how the genre survived the 60's and thrived for the past 80 years. Hollywood adaptations tend to follow a formula and in many ways, dumb down and 'normalize' wacky and interesting ideas from these comics precisely because they see this as risk free projects, when the genre is anything but that. Spider-man was a risk. Fantastic Four was a risk.
@AKImeru but comics and movies are two different mediums with two different audiences. It’s apples and oranges. Also, comic book movies *have* been getting more and more wacky with each release, yet getting worse because the wackiness is not enough to support a good story.
Disney has a bud light problem. It’s not making films for its audience. It’s making films for who they wish was their audience. And the actual audience is giving up and doing something else.
Star Wars never died because it wasn’t a common experience. We got the original trilogy and then you got the prequel trilogy and a little bit more exposure for the brand overall and then Disney decided to make that exposure constant with a much more inferior product. Star Wars and MCU CAN’T supplement Hollywood completely, there are entire genres of movies that are dead because creativity in Hollywood is gone. It might take you a few more phases of MCU movies but even the most diehard fan will eventually get sick of nothing but superhero and heavy action movies no matter how good they are.
I thought the same thing. A lot of the comics mirrored what was happening in the world. Then studios adapted those comics into movies. It’s just writing for the movies are bad. Wonder Women, She Hulk, Falcon, Ms Marvel, Black Panther etc. are not new characters.
I love watching superhero movies the way I love watching every other type: they gotta be good It’s that simple. It’s not fatigue, oversaturation, or anything aside from a string of poor movies that have hurt the perception of the genre. If a movie gets good reviews, people will show up. Nowadays, we just wait for the reviews first, which only hurts box office because the reviews aren’t good. We still await release dates, but with heavy caution. The genre isn’t dead. You act like people don’t care anymore. People do care, so much so that we desperately want them to be good and are hurt when they aren’t. Then, we don’t watch them. The superhero genre is strong. It’s just weakened as the studios thought they could bank on the capes and stop telling the stories
Cope harder. Super hero movies by hollywood are redundant, over cliche. They're boooooring. People don't care over super hero genre by hollywood. They should just end that trash super hero genre
@@erenyeagerist7681 you could just stop seeing them... Also, he isn't entirely wrong either. There is definitely decline, but he's absolutely right that it's mostly a consequence of low quality garbage for the last couple years. The Joker, The Batman, The Boys, Invincible, Spider-Man: No Way Home, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, and arguably Wandavision (until the ending kinda faceplanted) are the only cape content that's actually been really good since Avengers: Endgame came out, which is saying something considering how much else has been put out in that time. Oversaturation from Marvel doesn't help things, but poor quality control is what it's all about when it gets right down to it. There's nothing wrong with the concept in itself. If you personally don't like it, cool. Don't watch it, just as I don't intend to watch the mediocre stuff, and will happily go see the good.
@@Tyler_W I think the oversaturation has led to a decline in the quality put out though for sure. Studios are throwing loads of writers at projects that they may not be that passionate about and that leads to alot of personal politics leaking into scripts and ruining the experience. Also, some of these shows just aren't worth a saga of episodes to get to their point. The fact that we have actually had good films since Endgame shows that there's still a great experience to be had, but I think Marvel got a bit greedy afterwards and none of the storylines are cohesive or line up like they did so beautifully in the Infinity Saga, Thor Dark World aside. I really hope some of the upcoming movies get it right again, because I am actually looking forward to and hopeful for Marvel bringing X-Men and Fantastic Four into the fold in a satisfying way. Hopefully those don't become plagued with the same recent issues.
I don’t think it’s just “superhero movies” and I don’t we are tired of them, I believe that it’s specificity in the mcu that has just gone bad. Dc looks like it’s going on an extremely good path and I truly believe the writing and stories are going to step up hugely
DC is stooping to the MCU level embarrassingly. Even letting the fox (Gunn) into the hen house. What have you been watching? It's the same exact sitcom jokes and making fun of itself tone that the MCU has been forcing down our gullible throats. These aren't epics anymore. That used to be a movie genre in itself: think Excalibur, the original Star Wars, Star Trek, Blade Runner, Lawrence of Arabia, Man Who Would Be King, etc. Now they are glorified comedies. Disney has been trying to take over anything they don't have - namely DC heroes - forever and they finally have their adolescent pawn in place to do so.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who realised that Disney plus ruined marvel stories. I’d also like to note, nice Disney bought them they’ve gotten more pg over the years where I character like black widow, an assassin, she used sticks on trying to stop Thanos when she had a gun
For me, I have a Marvel and DC Fatigue. I’ve been thinking this for a while but why can we get more adaptations of comics by Image or Dark Horse or go even further back reinvent of those characters from old pulp magazines like Doctor Death or The Shadow. I feel like Marvel and DC have overshadowed Comic book movies that not many people realize there’s more comic bands and properties outside of those two.
@@redXfury Exactly. I feel like many point to Bloodshot as a reason for non-marvel/dc properties not being given a chance at adaptation because that was failure. There’s so many comics they can adapt; Saga, Youngblood, The Mask (the original comic that was super gory and disturbing), Astro City, all great comics that deserve adaptations by creative writers and directors that don’t care about the MCU or DCU formulas and want to bring out the best of these works. I would love to see Sam Raimi do his adaptation of The Shadow he always wanted to do without a studio’s clutches on his throat. Maybe Edgar Wright doing a more comic accurate adaptation of The Mask.
This is a natural thing which happened over and over again in the history of Hollywood. In the 1950s and early 1960s historical epics set in the Roman period were huge (remember The Robe, Ben-Hur, Spartacus, Cleopatra, The Greatest Story Ever Told), but as they were making dozens of them every year, the audience started to get bored of this theme and the filmmakers also got burned out. The same is happening now with the superhero trend.
Superhero films aren't going anywhere. The first Superman movie came out in 1978. Then there was the Spiderman and Xmen movies of the early 2000's. Eventually the studios will realize they need to hire better writers and directors if they wish to keep audiences. Japanese studios have been producing good comic book based movies for decades. It's all about the writing and storytelling. I predict Chinese studios will eventually get into the superhero genre.
The problem isn't the quantity. After all, if there was a new episode of The Boys every day, people would gladly watch them. People love to binge watch their favorite TV shows. So the problem isn't quantity. It's the quality.
@@nerychristian I would argue it's both. Yes indeed the lack of quality is a major issue. But because there are so many of them left and right, it's very difficult to want to get invested in any of them. Yes I love the Boys but I don't really consider that a superhero show. I call it more of a mocking of everything related to superhero shows which is why it's such a breath of fresh air.
@@nerychristian The success of "The Boys" is classic deconstruction. It's to the superhero genre what "Austin Powers" was to the oversaturated spy genre.
Yeah at the end of the day eventually you exhaust all unique storylines. Eventually all superhero films become the same thing. Hero fights and beats generic villain who want to destroy or take over. Once you've seen it a few times how many more times can you see the same thing. Also endgame was like the peak of the mcu and characters were new back then but now it's just the same old thing hero fights villain and wins the end. Theres nothing more to add to the genre.
RDJ's Tony Stark's demise signals MCU's falling and with it, the entire superhero genre. Maybe Gunn could pull off something with DCU and give us something fresh.
I think the only two superheroes that have managed to completely avoid the decline are Batman and spider man this can be attributed to the fact that they are good and been in the spotlight for decades now instead of just 5 years or so
The only reason why Marvel studios didn't shit all over Spiderman and replace him with a female character, is because Spiderman is owned by a different studio. So they would never allow that to happen. If it had been owned by Disney, you can bet your ass they would have shit all over Spiderman and replaced him with a female Sipderman.
3:12 I agree. Superhero movies are good when the director and writers are passionate about the characters. They care about these characters and have a story to tell. The best example I can think of is Guardian’s of the Galaxy. It is clear James Gunn is passionate about his character and cares about telling the story of these characters over making money. Looking at the GoG vol. 3 trailers, it is clear Gunn is passionate about these characters and wants to conclude their stories. I hope other directors take notes.
It's not superhero fatigue. It's mediocrity fatigue. People have been claiming "superhero fatigue" for more than a decade. Most superhero movies from the 2000s were also mediocre.
Your argument is kinda correct but I think you are missing on the aiming. It's not a matter of oversaturation, it's a matter of the product getting cheaper and more mediocre. This is my point of view tho, good video.
It still applies tho, throw enough turds onto the table and only a few white chocolates, soon enough everyone loses their appetite and those that don't immediately vomit from the stench get tired of wondering whether the next one is gonna be a turd or a white chocolate, and everyone agrees the chef should've stopped at just handing out the 5 white chocolates as opposed to the 20 assorted turd majority white chocolate minority confection of garbage
A lot of it is the cinematic universe stuff. After a while, people just get tired of having to play catch-up. I think this is where the fatigue is coming from. It's why Joker and The Batman have succeeded. They're totally free from that stuff, as of now.
I think superhero films as we've been defining them for the past fifteen years or so are indeed dying out, but that doesn't mean the genre itself is. Film genres don't really die; they just go into hibernation for a while until they're resurrected. It happened with the Western, which everyone was saying was dead for a good long while; now we get new Westerns all the time. It happened with animated films, which, people tend to forget these days, audiences were mostly pretty lukewarm about back in the '80's, up until films like 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' and 'The Little Mermaid' got everyone fired up about them again. It'll happen to superhero films, too - but THIS model of them is most likely never going to fly again, or, at least, to nowhere near the heights it once did. Audiences have been burned one too many times.
I’m not hating but I keep hearing about how great it is, it was honestly a run of the mill superhero flick. I really struggled to finish it, it felt dragged out. I don’t see what all the praise and hype is about. Some of the humour is cringe worthy. Fair enough if you enjoy it.
@@BSG1892 Come on… Let’s face it, you know why they’re praising the hell out of it. Just think a bit. It’s the same reason why Black Panther was considered the Second Coming of Jesus of superhero films despite it being pretty average at best.
@@alexman378 if being inclusive or featuring a primarily non-white cast was "the only reason" why people liked these movies, they wouldn't be as widely well-reviewed as they are; as the non-white demographics they appeal to are a minority of the total moviegoing audience in the US. They're as well reviewed as they are because they appeal to a wider audience than just white people, and presenting its only because of the diversity reveals that you have the very race-only mindset that you're condemning others for supposedly having.
@@spencerterry603 Yeah yeah, sure. Let’s not act like they weren’t blatant about it. They’re well reviewed because you literally couldn’t give Black Panther a bad review without being lambasted. Don’t you remember when some poor guy said it was average on Rotten Tomatoes and they wrecked him? Or how the whole marketing was “the first black superhero ever”? They had such a huge need to turn these films into some sort of movement, that they marketed the shit out of Boseman’s death, to a disgusting and exploitative degree for the second one. I’m not condemning anyone, I never had this mindset until they went out of their way to drill it into my head for years. It’s just how it is. Featuring a primarily non-white cast wasn’t why people liked them. It was why they weren’t allowed to not like them.
I wouldn’t say fatigue. Ppl are tired of the over producing and lack of real character depth. Ppl wanna complain things being woke but that’s not the issue it’s that their overproducing and not doing the stories right.
Exactly. It's not the politics, or 'woke' that is the problem. It's just bad writing, where they drag some characters down, to try to lift others up. Like a certain horrible example in the She-Hulk series...
@@Nemrai the bad writing is happening because there are a bunch of ideologues who believe that their ideologies are morally superior and should therefor be inserted into any creative project they engage with. That's what breaks the writing, it's also the reason for She-hulk and Thor's character assassinations. Building your own creation from scratch that's immersed in your personal ideological framework is totally fine, some of the greatest art is exactly that. Instead we are witnessing people distorting and corrupting other people's creations, established & widely loved works, with ideological preaching that runs completely counter to how the stories were written in the first place. You can't separate the "bad writing" from the ideological crusade that's going on, one is the result of the other.
Superhero movies have truly ran its course and to me it's great that it's being burned out. Only thing is, hollywood is used to seeing movies now delve into the billions from the superhero era, that they won't ever go back to actually caring about movies like they once did. They know and understand about capitalizing on geek culture and know they will pay top dollar to watch their characters on screen, which brings their next project which are video game movies
I knew that superhero fatigue was eventually going to happen. Superhero movies are pretty much what westerns and musicals were back in the 50's and 60's. They were very popular in those days but they have pretty much died out.
I'm done with them since 2017 or so, haven't watched anything superheroe related in years, except for The Boys, which was a breath of fresh air in the genre, it's not predictable and the darker tone is cool.
You know what really saddens me?! Is that the answer to that question “what could possibly top avengers endgame?” would’ve been the F4 and the X-men had Feige and Marvel played their cards right. That was the perfect moment to bring them in…. but now, after so much sh#% that came out and making Reed Richards look stupid in Multiverse of Madness (not to mention turning him into spaghetti)… by the time we get the F4 and the X-men it will probably be too late 😞
To me, a political perspective is inherent to an overwhelming majority of the greatest superhero stories. The Boys, which I agree is among the best superhero content right now, engages with a wide variety of political issues, but it does so through an incredibly articulate and thorough leftist lens. Its commentary is nuanced. The problem with the way the MCU engages in political issues, to me, is that they do it in such a lukewarm and performative way that they lose everybody. Conservatives hate it because they feel personally attacked, as if these movies are pushing some "woke agenda," when in reality, the studio's only agenda is making money. Leftists (like me) hate it because it's surface-level pandering nonsense trying to appeal to viewers like me and failing miserably because, again, it's obvious that the only reason it's there is to capitalize off of my generation's trend towards the left. You can't be interesting or effective in a conversation if you don't actually have a goddamn thing to say.
Hollywood is more leftist and insane than you could ever imagine. Saying that they are just trying to make money is coping. No matter how radical you are Hollywood and the media will eventually push you beyond your breaking point and then you will become the new “conservative” just like we did 30 years ago but the difference is that your hard limits will entail the natural boundaries of some semblance of civilization and once the media and Hollywood push beyond that there won’t be a civilization anymore. In reality left wing political messages are the exact opposite of what being a superhero represents. If the “The Boys” is that left wing then it is trash too.
At this point only the extremes get any attention because thats how you get noticed in a digital world. Gotta be the loudest and farthest left or right as possible.
I'm gonna be honest, superhero movies aren't exactly the best at having anything political to say to begin with. There are exceptions, but when you have a guy who just wants to destroy the universe it's hard to put any idealism in there.
Seeing as how successful Super Mario Bros. is doing financially, we may be seeing a transition for our modern entertainment, especially with rumors of a Nintendo Cinematic Universe.
I love that between The Last of Us and Super Mario Bros, it looks like video game adaptations could be the new trend. Sounds awesome as long as they're actually good.
Thank you so much for this, Hollywood needs to watch this video because it is a godsend. Both Marvel and DC have created wonderful, whimsical, and overall great and lovable characters and concepts that these studios just abuse, mock, water down, and just waste all for the sake of their own ego or wherever the fuck they sit on the political spectrum. IT’s ALL SO DAMN TIRING, I want to feel these comic book characters come to life on the big screen and show the world what they were missing out on from the books and unless these companies get there shit together than the MCU’s Infinity Saga will be the last bastion for the Superhero genre.
I like how you make every point with your words alone, you don't need a ton of meems or sound clips to get your point apart. You express yourself well, thanks for sharing!
It’s dying because they keep releasing movies for the same superheroes. Didn’t Marvel have stated that they have around 80,000 characters in the universe? Yet they still release movies with the same handful of heroes, yet some of them are cool to watch but it gets boring and repetitive.
It’s really not that people are tired of super hero movies, we are tired of bad movies. I get kinda annoyed when people think we got tired of super hero movies when there hasn’t even been a good super hero movie made in a long time. No Way Home is literally the only super hero movie I’ve enjoyed since the Infinity War/Endgame saga. The rest are trash and not entertaining.
@@kimberly4275 Only 3/4ths of it is good in my opinion. Marvel did what it always does, and forced a last act CGI battle into what couldn’t been a great, grounded movie. I would be a fan of the movie if it didn’t change direction half way through to focus on the stupid CGI battle. It just did not fit the movie well IMO and left a bad taste in my mouth by the end.
The first 3 phases of the MCU raised the bar for superhero movies. They then proceeded to start playing limbo with said bar. Pushing themselves down by shoving unwanted politics down our throats. I'm cautiously optimistic that DC is about to pull their heads out of their ass and start making consistently good movies.
@@nobudgetshortfilms5510 I'm not too surprised. They've probably butchered the movie when they removed as many scenes of Amber Turd as possible. Still, this is a pre-reboot movie that they have to release for financial reasons due to it being so far along so I don't consider it as relevant.
I hate saying it, but I definitely have superhero movie fatigue. This is why I'm not excited about the upcoming Flash movie even though a part of me wants to be.
The Batman is the most boring and purposeless superhero film I've ever seen, I don't get the praise. All it has is a stylish camera work, color grading and good actors, nothing else.
Exploring political issues in film can be done masterfully and in a way that furthers the debate. This recent slate of writers, however, seem to have forgotten the existence of subtext and the fact that a well-delivered message enhances the story rather than coming at the direct expense of it. I'm way on the left and have absolutely zero time for Nerdrotica-type commentators, yet even I find myself going 'jeezus, ok, pale man bad, we get it' in almost every recent superhero film. I'd have nothing wrong with that if the message wasn't delivered with all the subtlety of a preteen science genius' petulant quip.
For me it was over after no way home. All the films since have been so average. The issue now with marvel is all the Disney+ shows it seems a chore to watch them all and now they are linking into the films it’s no longer enjoyable to watch.
I’ll be honest. I liked the chaos of Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. She seemed to show genuine emotional pain, something devoid from the cookie-cutter kickass girlboss character.
There should only be a few studios producing Quality over Quantity. Currently we have no studios doing that. No more wokeness and identity politics please, Disney shot themselves and the entire Superhero genre in the foot, by doing that. But I will say one thing, THE BOYS is all we really got left.
There are 5 issues for me. 1. Too many characters to follow. Iron Man, Dr Strange, Captain America. The movies used to focus on one character. Now there are 300 superheroes and you don't know who you're following anymore. Eternals. Marvels. Now Antman isn't Antman, its Antman, Mrs Antman, their kid, Grandpa Antman and Grandma Antman. And it's like they're all main characters. 2. Too many films to keep track of. The End Game films is 22 films released over 11 years, an average of 1 every 6 months. What it means is if you missed one, you had plenty of opportunity to catch up, watching clips on TH-cam or catching the film on streaming before the next one. Now it's homework. I watched Dr Strange 2 but hadn't seen Wanda TV. When they revealed Wanda, I felt like I needed to walk out of the cinema, watch a TV show for homework, then come back and continue the film. 3. Nobody cares about the multi-world. The Avengers defend Earth. Antman defending the quantum space I don't understand, didn't make sense, and I'm not interested in. Guardians is good but they're still defending something I understand. They're not opening up portals to planet who cares. 4. Bad writing. Honestly, good writing would save a lot of their problems. It is possible to follow multiple characters (see Suicide Squad 2, Guardians, Avengers) but it's gotta be done well. Coupled with this, the Avengers broke the multiverse by time travelling and stealing the stones, but then Dr Strange did it again in Spiderman because he became stupid and did a dumb spell. Then Dr Strange opens it again after Wanda did it, with the Latino Lesbian Wondergirl. Is the multiverse broken, is it not? It's like they had multiple ideas for opening the portal and they did all of them. Now everyone can multispace. 5. Wokeism.
I believe that the ease of creating totally unreal special effects is a big factor in this trend. Why create a good script when creating more absurd scenarios is just a matter of adding more rendering.
It’s not fatigue. People r just tired of identity politics. Cause let’s be real, don’t sit here and act like when a brand new Superman or Batman or x-men etc movie comes out that fans aren’t gonna be omega level excited to see it
@Jonas peoples perception of Superman has forever been warped by Injustice (MOSTLY Injustice), Man of Steel and Zack Snyders DCEU. The whole "Evil Superman" trope is more prevalent than the actual Superman. Homelander, Brightburn, Ikaris, and Omni-Man aren't helping with that
@@sharkanenoa5928 It actually made sense in Injustice, an alternate universe. You dont go around making Superman act like an edgelord in your supposed mainline live action universe. That's like making Batman a murderous psychopath.. Oh wait.
Something about all the CGI and special effects starts to make it feel like nothing that happens in the story of any consequence. And now with the multiverse stuff it really feels like nothing matters. That said...they're definitely beautiful to look at. And super well done for what they are. But they are what they are. A formula. Oversaturation is a problem with any genre or premise.
Why does it always have to be the entire universe that's at stake?? How many have these marvel heroes have we seen making a difference in their hometown before going off to save the world...
It's not about politics in films, it's bad writing. Also: including more women in the films should not be "politics" 😅 The core Avangers had just black widow and then Scarlet witch and both were basically side characters for a long time. The mcu had a problem with too littel women in their films, not with too many. The ones we do get now are often poorly written though 😔 I agree to that.
"Every single project has to be some sort of political statement " like iron man wasn't about war profiteering and captain America 2 wasn't about corrupt governments. These projects have always had political messages, and while they're less veiled than they used to be, don't pretend this is something new. They're just actually taking stances on issues more complicated than "war is bad" now
Here we go with the “movies were always political” argument missing the point once again. There’s a difference between political messages and specifically partisan political messages. “War profiteering” and “governments can be corrupt” are bipartisan concerns. Woke messaging tends to lean towards one political aisle and while it isn’t necessarily new, it has never been this dominant as it is now. The stances being taken aren’t “more complicated” but they are skewed towards the left. Too much partisan politics inevitably creates division. More and more big studio and indie films are pushing for political quotas. The state of California has literally pushed earlier this year to provide tax benefits to films that adhere to their specific ideology and punish those that don’t. Stop trying to minimize or deny the shifts that have been going on right in everyone’s faces, it borders on intellectual dishonesty.
@@windowsVD "woke" messaging lol. Black people existing and getting a movie is woke now everyone! Women getting harassed is woke! The thing is these "partisan" ideas you don't like, that you think are divisive, they're really not that crazy, and they're a lot more popular than you think they are, you're just using a buzzword to pretend they're different and weird. Why are these projects as well reviewed as they are? Why are they some of the most successful movies? Media is under no obligation to appeal to everyone, and Marvel specifically has always had things to say politically. (Kirby and Stan Lee) The thing is, i think you just hate to see ideas you personally don't think are that big of a deal taken seriously In media. (Also I couldn't find the California thingy, but I'm sure it's real...)
@@windowsVD Comic books have always skewed left in politics though, all the way back to the Golden Age. How do you write a story about a hero uplifting the downtrodden while pushing a message that leans right politically when the party that represents the right actively hurts those downtrodden people? You can't really claim "both sides bad, represent me fairly!" when one side is actually mustache twirling evil and the other co opts legitimate issues and uses them as political points for easy votes.
@@ashketchum1752 Ah yes, because breadlines were so great for the downtrodden historically. Nothing more to say to you when you have such a laughably biased view of what’s left and right wing.
@@windowsVD I guess that's my bias towards modern right wing American politics but you're right. Historically, the politics of the Golden Age comics were more complex than 'left' or 'right', and more about uprooting corruption, helping the needy, and generally fighting against bigotry and for civil rights. Modern comics CAN'T lean right, at least the American right. Again, this isn't bias. If we're talking about modern American politics, we're also talking about one side of the aisle wanting to persecute women and LGBTQ, and the other co-opting those issues for votes without actually doing anything about it.
The Batman did NOT break the formula. It succeeded because it was well written. Thats all we want. A well written story. The Boys works because its well written. The Batman had all the ingredients. Introduce hero, introduce bad version of hero, throw in a lil romance, couple jokes, explosive finish, hero wins, post credit scene. It followed the formula to the letter but since it actually tells a good story, no one either noticed or cared. Im tired of people saying that theyre tired of the superhero genre or the "marvel" formula. Youre not. Youre just tired of shitty writing.
Its not oversaturation either. I would LOVE it if we got all the content we did in phase 4 constantly, but only if it was actually worth watching. Of all the D+ shows i only really enjoyed Hawkeye and Werewolf by Night. I wanted to like all the rest but fuck me they were poorly written filler products. It would be fan boy heaven if we got as much as we did and was actually good shit. But it isnt.
I been a Marvel and DC fan wayy before the MCU took over. I loved the comics, the the tv shows, the movies, and the video games. Over the last couple of years, I’m no longer interested in watching the Marvel and DC movies. I still watch some of the Marvel and DC cartoons I grew up with but I lost my interest in it. Hollywood really ruined Marvel and DC for me. I also love the Boys and I love how they call out the superhero genre
I'm on the same boat, i used to love them back in the 90's and early 2000's, the first movies of the MCU were awesome, but after the Avengers movies, i haven't seen not one movie or show, i'm totally done with it. I also think that The Boys is cool, but it's starting to get repetitive and i feel they're stretching it out a little bit, since it's the most famous show on Amazon.
Not only are super hero movies dying but we are seeing a resurgence in genres that have been near dormant for a while. First the Action star movie is making a comback. Top gun Maverick did well John Wick 4 did well and I have no doubt that mission impossible 7 will do well the other genre I have noticed make a pretty big comback is slasher horror. It started with the new Halloween films then we got a couple if new Scream movies and Now Evil Dead Rise all for the most part good movies for that genre and I think if you brought back Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street and the people making them had some real passion for them they would do well too. The reason those films did well and the reason The mario movie and Even Puss in boots did so well is people are wanting to go back to something that has been missing for a while we want our heroes and villians back. For a while now our heroes have all been deconstructed and our villains misunderstood. And I think most if us are tired of that.
I was so bummed when watching Spider-Man (2002) in theaters and realized the main villain is a greedy businessman and clearly has contempt for poor people. Raimi should have toned down the real world nonsense. While we’re at it, why did Christopher Nolan make such commentary against poor people rising up against the rich (see, TDKR, a more than decade old film.)
I think Gunn is going to bring back storytelling with the DCU. Shows like BTAS, Batman Beyond, BaTB, and JL/JLU have good rewatchability because of their themes and the topics that are sprinkled in for mature audiences. The stories are woven in a way that parents can sit with their kids and enjoy it from a different perspective. The biggest mistake companies like Disney/Marvel are making is disrespecting their original fan base in lieu of appealing to an audience that barely existed when they started making movies
I don’t have superhero fatigue, as I am looking forward to Guardians, Spider Verse, Flash, and The Batman Part II. I’ve even been happily consuming other superhero content outside of Marvel and DC like My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, Invincible, and The Boys, My Hero and One Punch specifically for years. The problem, or rather, MY problem, is the poor writing and mishandling of the films, universe, and character arcs. I feel a lack of cohesion in both universes. So much so I am burned out on the rest of the MCU and DCEU. It also started feeling like homework treading thru the new MCU stuff that I had no interest in really but HAD to watch to understand the next few projects. If there was something worthwhile I wouldn’t mind, but there wasn’t a single MCU show I genuinely liked except for maybe Hawkeye. Meanwhile, Peacemaker was great and I thoroughly enjoyed. All they need is something worthwhile 👍
It’s not fatigue or over saturation. It’s poor writing. Actions lack consequences. Political agendas are being pushed. I want substance, not something I can leave on for background noise.
The Batman 2 is the only superhero movie I'll watch. I just don't care. Yeah, Wolverine is going to be in Deadpool. Anyone think X23 and/or a female Deadpool won't show up and become the hero? It's going to be dogshit writing and God only knows what kind of director it will get.
The cast is online already and she’s not in it so thankfully that won’t be the case. But seeing as it’s gonna stay rated R I’m still gonna give Deadpool 3 a shot
IMHO, the trigger was "Thor Love & Thunder". The entire Marvel literally went from "saving the universe" in End Game to literally "making fun of superheroes movie". Sorry but after I found star trek in netflix, goodbye to super hero movies.
Great movie essay, but I think it’s incomplete without reference to Spider-man: NWH and the lessons of that movie - an addendum video on this would be very interesting
That movie was 99% references to things we already saw. It was such a letdown and killed movie hype for me. That’s good I guess. It was my generation’s phantom menace, it’s just with PM the reviews weren’t as cooked.
I'm fatigued with the word "fatigue". The only problem with Superhero movies is that the recent ones havent been as good. Thats the only issue here, its not rocket science.
@@BasketCase-rr7tx That’s not true. People started getting fatigued because of the huge amount of movies and shows that marvel started releasing. That’s called oversaturation. When franchises don’t know when to end. People get burned out. The lack of quality only helped it get worse faster. People love to say fatigue isn’t real but its been real forever. Now Marvel is crossing into that.
I think it's a shared universe thing that turns me away from the superhero genre. Every new movie that comes into the shared universe has to up the stakes, and when they do that, the hero of that movie has to be stronger than the hero before to meet the threat. That makes every new hero introduced into the shared universe make every other hero before them obsolete.
Maybe because there are a lot of super hero films being released at the same time and most of them care more about quantity and fan service than create quality?
I knew it was over after Endgame. Literally walked out of the theatre, "it's over, whatever phase 4 holds will just be a bunch of shit not accepting the end" and so it was.
Someone else in the comics mentioned Matt Damon's explanation of how the death of DVD sales meant that, along with the constantly growing pressure to have the biggest opening weekend ever, movies have a small window of time in which to sell tickets/get eyes on them. That means the movies immediately have to be "shiny" enough to multiple demographics (kids, teens, young adults, parents, older fans) such that literally everyone goes to see the movie on release day. Every once in awhile you get a Dark Knight, a Reeves The Batman, a Black Panther, or Into the Spider-verse. But those tend to be special cases. Most of the time, the "satisfy everyone" products are either the by-the-numbers, formulaic stuff you mention in the video, or ultra-dark, serious takes. Unless you're making a Batman (or Joker) movie, that doesn't really work for Marvel outside of characters like The Punisher, Daredevil, or something like Logan. Disney is in no hurry to make movies true to those characters that would scare off the young kids or appear to support antiheroes (cough.. Book of Boba Fett... Cough!), so it seems like one way they can seem relevant to the adults is by playing up the politics of a property.
It's not fatigue, nobody was watching marvel and now gotg is doing good. The problem is that they are trying to please people that are not their usual audience
With all the powers and concepts, I know superhero genres could be more, just look at Watchmen both Zack's and the 2019 tv series, I think it was well written
Also a partial reason for its decline is a maturing audience. The initial audience for superhero movies are now 18+ and are now wanting more content aimed for adults. Disney keeps playing it safe and is not growing with its audience.
Dude you’re kinda wrong here. There’s only like 4 superhero movies coming out this year. Whereas there’s a non superhero movie coming out every week. This isn’t a superhero fatigue situation, it’s a SHITTY movie fatigue. Studios don’t understand what their audiences want and continue to push these movies where they don’t appeal to either gender or group.
Everything you said was spot on. Fatigue , oversaturation and Identity politics are killing superhero movies. I feel like I’m getting scolded when I watch these shows or movies now.
Its not fatigue. Its bad writing/boring characters.
That's exactly how I think of it too. I'm not tired of super heroes, but I'm very tired of bad movies with superheroes in them. Marvel movies used to be fun, now they aren't. And they make too many movies and shows.
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Can't even keep up with them all.
It absolutely is fatigue. They’re not great but they’re not that bad either. If any of these “bad” movies or shows came out when the hype was at its peak they wouldn’t have been considered bad.
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No. They are horrible. The stories and characters are completely inconsistent. Since Stanley died there's only been one good marvel movie and that's spider man no way home. I let Endgame slide because I really wanted to love it.
It’s a whole lot of both
I think the problem is less fatigue of superheroes in general, and more people starting to get fed up with mediocre and bad products. Like comics have been around telling superhero stories for decades, but many people are still invested in those characters and stories to this day, even after sometimes having been reading these stories for decades.
Exactly. It's the mediocrity not the superheroism
Too many subpar writers out there, thinking they know better than the storytelling giants that came before.
Yea, people aren't tired of Captain America and the Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnarök or Infinity War, they're tired of the absolutely horrendously boring and 2002-esque mediocrity that is Black Adam, Shazam 2 and utter garbage like Thor 4 or Ant Man 3.
@@MrOPD Love how you tried to sneak Ragnarok in there 😂
Mary Sue and Karen characters
"Thor the Dark World" was a weak film, but it didn't provoke the anger that "Thor Love and Thunder" did because "Thor the Dark World" still respected the characters and didn't include a snarky sequence that poked fun of the idea of Thor movies.
Thor was also still serious at that time
Until he became a comedian
That's what I've been saying this whole time, Dark World was not great at any cost, but it did one thing that both Ragnarok and Love & Thunder weren't able to do, respect the characters and Thor as a whole, the Waititi films turned him into a incompetent, immature, moron just to make other characters look cooler
@@aacmbirdzilla2343 very true
111%. This is what I said when I saw Love and Thunder.
Thor love and thunder was just stupid humor shoved down peoples throats even Chris hemsworth realized that after it was released and the screaming goats nearly gave me a brain attack lol
I completely agree with what you said about Disney+. It is absolutely the WORST thing to have happened to the MCU. Getting shitty shows pushed down your throat every 2 weeks really contributed to that oversaturation and fatigue
I don’t understand why they try to turn dark characters and storylines “kid friendly “ it makes no sense. If they screw up the X-men, I’m done
Echo is coming 🤡
@@MT-si3bu god I hope they don't screw up X-Men. I really hope this kid friendly bs has nothing to do with X-Men
A lot of these MCU shows feel like they were originally going to be movies. But Disney decided to stretch them out and turn them into shows in order to put them on Disney +
Loki and I guess Moon Knight are literally the only shows that I can think of when it comes to Disney+. The rest are absolute dog water.
Superhero movies used to be an experience. Something you HAD to be there to witness. Now it feels like everyone hops on the train, just cause for money
This
Yep. I’m legitimately thankful that I lived through the birth and peak of the MCU in real time. Feeling the community and anticipation of each movie was an EVENT… now it’s just dead. Let’s be grateful for what we got, remember the good times and move on to something else
@@movieoverload more after scorcesse's controversial comments.
No they’ve always been this way, easy cash grabs. Its just that we all remember the spectacular event films the most and easily associate all superhero films from that era with the likes of the Avengers movies.
I watched both Infinitey war and Endgame in cinemas.And it was amazing 👏.
I think that GOOD superhero movies do still have a market, but the days where you could put anything with superheroes in cinemas and make a shot ton of money are over.
The problem is how would fans know which super hero movie is going to be fun? There are so many coming out, i think people are refusing to see any because of oversaturation.
I think MCU imitators proved that was never true. They never put thought or effort into their movies, much like the MCU nearing Infinity War.
@@kristijan8518 Waiting for early, spoiler free reviews from trusted review outlets.
@@BungieStudios I think Zack Snyder tried to put in that effort, just his vision did only appeal to a smaller segment of genre fans.
Honestly, I think that's for the best. It's the only way we'll get more good comic book movies. If that means fewer of them, I will happily make that sacrifice.
One huge problem they have also is that they believe using "multiverse" will somehow raise the stakes but it does the exact opposite because of they are multiple universes where you can bring back any dead character say any time then why should I care really
Also if you want to keep the Marvel universe going on for a long time, you don't kill Steve Rogers or Tony Stark, ever. It seems that sonce Game of Thrones people want to kill characters, just because. It worked in GoT, it doesn't in a universe supported by key characters. I understand actors don't want to be Iron Man or Captain America forever, then, recast. Batman is constantly recast, I don't think it hurts its movies (same with James Bond).
Marvel are using "multiverse" because they're making the multiverse saga
@@nikolaytablet1394 End yet, they’re completely failing in that aspect besides NWH and MAYBE the exception of What If…? Multiverse of Madness was a complete and utter disappointment because the movie showed like what? Only three multiverses in the entire movie? The leaks didn’t help as well with the fact that the movie actually could’ve been really awesome, but of course the Disney execs had to rewrite it and make it a total DUD.
@@Vulmio I agree. They honestly shouldn’t have killed anyone in that movie. If they really wanted to kill someone, I guess they could’ve went with Hawkeye because I don’t know if anyone would be that pissed if he were to be the one that was killed off.
@@LordTylerBluGunderson marvel now slow down the things and they are gonna have time to make the things good
The entire reason phase 4 was bad was because disney want as much content as possible and marvel didn't have time to make the things good
But now they delayed everything and they are gonna have time to find good writers, to make there cgi good, to find good directors
Marvel are slowly returning
Thor Love and Thunder irritated me mainly due to the fact that Gor felt like the logical next step for a villain after Thanos. You had a godlike being who wiped out half the universe. Yes, it was undone but by the avengers not the gods (aside from Thor) which he could use as a rallying cry to recruit followers to his cause that "All gods are evil and must be destroyed" and you can add in that tragic part of him losing his wife and daughter and showing how he genuinely believes what he is doing is right and thinks the way so many gods treat the lives of mortals as disposable as being what is truly evil. After all, what gives these beings the right to play with our lives and what makes them think they are entitled to our worship and praise when they turn their back on their own people?
And Thor would obviously represent the opposite of this belief because he is a God but one who was humbled by humanity and become a better person for it. He views Earth as his new home now and the people who inhabit it as things he must protect.
Not only that, I could see Thor getting into ideological clashes with other members of the avengers who would understand Gor's point of view. Because of the multiple times godlike beings have attempted to commit mass genocide in recent years such as Ego, Arishem, Loki to an extent, Thanos, Dormammu, etc. So what right would Thor have to call Gor evil when he only target's gods? Sure there are good gods, but how long til the good ones like Thor become just as uncaring and capricious and decide that humanity isn't worth saving? After all, They are immortal beings so they rarely ever have to grasp with their own supposed mortality unlike mortal races and are arrogant to a fault because of it.
Yeah, Gorr actually has a point, but was reduced to "Gorr, the child kidnapper" in L&T.
If i had a nickel for ever time I read a fan theory which was infinitely times better than the crap we're getting currently..
I'd be a millionaire by now!
Seriously, someone hire this guy and all the guys out there who are giving better scripts on the internet as compared to multi billion dollar corporate houses
I know it may sound strange, but Thor dark world is one of my favorite Marvel movies, I know he's not as grand as infinity war, but it was the movie that always treated Thor in the way that it should be serious and that he always sacrificed himself to save what you love and also seeing them show Asgard and Norse Mythology was so cool,i like lady siff and warriors of Thor who had some importance during the first two movies and it was always cool to see them together and see in Ragnarok and love thunder that idiot Waititi treats Thor, Loki and the other characters like that all dying stupidly and Norse mythology being disrespected during those crappy movies. And my dream was always that the final Thor movie would be about Ragnarok, but only this time with a big director and who knows Norse mythology making the final film of Thor, with the characters treated in a serious and respectful way, I am imagining here Odin, Loki, Thor and lady siff and warriors together with the army of Asgard facing Ragnarok as it was in serious mythology the ending they deserved
Except Thor doesn't see earth as home..he's wandering with the guardians. He's never seen earth as home. More like a nice university he has friends or boarding school. And he isn't the biggest fan of humanity. He doesn't hate humanity. But Thor left new Asgard. He sees earth as just another realm he enjoys going to like 1 of many vacation homes.
And no one on earth really knows about ego, arishem, or dormammu. They all are involved with plans involving earth but humans I'm the mcu didn't know why the weird plant near dairy queen started growing. Only guardians know. Arishem was some weird floating rock head that appeared in the sky and then disappeared. Eternals know but not humans what that was about. Dormammu was only known to sorcerers. Maybe a few thousand in Hong Kong.
Also I think you and many people who saw L&T miss the obvious imo message. Don't worship or serve gods or politicians, just love each other and enjoy life with loved ones. Taikia clearly insinuates gods are just like politicians. They are kind of these rulers in their own realm making decisions that can effect massive populations for better or for worst and people rely on but in the end even the good ones like Thor are kinda assholes and to be disregarded. Instead focus on a better tomorrow with your loved ones
I agree. I am tired of the superhero genre. Hollywood goes through phases where it hits upon a success and then milks it for all its worth. Churning out the same formulaic films in a cycle of wash, rinse and repeat. In the 60s we had Westerns, 70s cop dramas, 80s Sci-Fi and slasher flicks, 90s everything vampires, 00s zombies, and now superheros. Time to move onto to the next fad....
@ভাঙ্গা খারাপ Yup video games will be next sadly. I couldn't care less about superhero films or comic books because it was never my thing. I'm a video game fan on the other hand so I know hollywood is definitely going to tamper with, milk, and insert their political ideologies in characters that I actually like. Haven't watched a single movie since The Irishman and I don't even know how long before that so it matters little to me what hollywood decides to do
It's not necessarily the genre, it's just bad storytelling and laziness. These companies need to have directors and writers that have a decent track record. They thought, just because ppl liked a certain character(s) then it didn't matter who wrote the story or what they do, and that is the problem. After a certain point, ppl catch on to the lack of integrity, and start dropping off. It's not fatigue or anything like that, it's just no1 wants to watch some lame ish, especially when theater prices are so high as well
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That's now marvel is changing writers, directors and other things right now
@@nikolaytablet1394 as they should. It's just been trash they'd been putting out. With the exception of Deadpool and Logan, imo.
@@calebjennings4349 Yep. Disney and DC have been kind of duds recently. Hopefully James Gunn will put it back on the right track, but Blue Beetle just looks like another mediocre Marvel-like movie. That “Batman’s a facist!” line at the end of the trailer didn’t help one bit.
Lack of integrity. That's exactly right. Even dummies that pay for this shit have begun to notice that the filmmakers don't care about them, they're tricking them into cheap laughs and paying 17 bucks for a ticket for something equivalent to junk food.
In 2018, I would declare "Anything with Marvel's name on it is gold, and a must-see."
After Endgame, I was satisfied and needed nothing further. After no Way Home, I felt complete, in a way I hadn't previously identified. after Shang Chi, I rejoiced at the marriage of superheroes and Kung Fu. Those were the standouts of phase 4 for me, honourable mention to Wakanda Forever for delivering well on an impossible brief, flaws and all.
The latter MCU projects, including Dr Strange 2, Thor 4 and everything on Disney plus were either over-indulgent, a let down, or both.
For a while now, the MCU has felt milked to excess; the films undercooked and/or unnecessary, and lacking creative exploration or collective direction. I used to escape heavily into these films, now I hope to be able to follow a cohesive story. I no longer rush, or even go out of my way to see superhero films, DC included; I'm tired of wasting money on duds, so I'll see it when I see it. Sadly, that means when something epic comes along I likely won't see it at the cinema, which, in 2019, was my favourite place to be.
How times have changed.
Let's hope Disney doesn't ruin Deadpool 3.
Deadpool 2 was trash, they don’t need ruin anything.
DP3 is rated R. We're saved...maybe.
Now gotg superheroes are retiring as well
Its Disney man, lower your expectations
@@wickdaline8668 Don't get your hopes up too much.
Agreed. It's too much too fast.
Quality will always be better than quantity.
Less is more. Substance. Detail. Passion. Depth. These things matter.
Movies like Everything Everywhere All At Once or Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio are examples of how one good movie is better than 50 mediocre movies.
I loved that movie like Guillermo del Toro did amasing
Puss In Boots The Last Wish and The Bad Guys provided quality animation fulfillment too
The problem isn't over saturation. If movie studios were releasing amazing and entertaining superhero movies every month, I would gladly go to the movies to watch them. The problem is the studios have gotten lazy and arrogant, and they think they can release trash movies, and continue to trick audiences into watching them. If all superhero movies were at least as entertaining as the earlier Marvel films, they would still be making a lot of money. But Marvel's latest films have been mediocre or poor, full of woke pandering, and predictable jokes. That's why these movies are failing.
The Batman worked last year because the movie started, and then the movie ended. PERIOD. It didn’t need a whole universe, it could be a movie by itself. Definitely the best comic book movie of 2022
@@patricklarsen182 agreed!
Audiences are not tired of superhero movies. They're tired of BAD superhero movies.
nah man, I'm pretty tired of superhero movies
I'm tired too, can we just get a different type of genre movie
I’m tired of superhero movies. Enough of the same old shit already.
I’m fatigued of superheroes as movies. Like there’s a few characters like Batman, superman, Spider-Man, Iron-man and after that I just don’t care enough to see it as a movie
Superhero movies are boring tbh😔 they're not cinema
I view the fatigue as more of a symptom of the greater problem rather than the problem itself.
Hypothetically speaking, if every single superhero film that came out in the last 15 years was a masterpiece, then I don't think people would be all that fatigued of it. If every film somehow managed to bring something fresh to the genre, then I think people would really eat it up.
The issue, of course, is that it's impossible to pump out this many films of the same genre and not have a high level of repetitiveness. If you factor in the lower production times in conjunction with a lack of creativity and some agenda-based messaging, then you have a recipe for an apathetic audience.
In the same way that Star Wars never died, I don't think the superhero genre will ever die either. It may decrease in popularity, and it might even vanish from the cinemas for a given period of time, but eventually, it will come back with fresh vigour.
Super hero comics have been extremely creative and unique in the past - It is how the genre survived the 60's and thrived for the past 80 years.
Hollywood adaptations tend to follow a formula and in many ways, dumb down and 'normalize' wacky and interesting ideas from these comics precisely because they see this as risk free projects, when the genre is anything but that.
Spider-man was a risk.
Fantastic Four was a risk.
@AKImeru but comics and movies are two different mediums with two different audiences. It’s apples and oranges. Also, comic book movies *have* been getting more and more wacky with each release, yet getting worse because the wackiness is not enough to support a good story.
People still love films like Spider-Man 3. The popularity of Bully Maguire memes confirm it
Disney has a bud light problem. It’s not making films for its audience. It’s making films for who they wish was their audience. And the actual audience is giving up and doing something else.
Star Wars never died because it wasn’t a common experience. We got the original trilogy and then you got the prequel trilogy and a little bit more exposure for the brand overall and then Disney decided to make that exposure constant with a much more inferior product.
Star Wars and MCU CAN’T supplement Hollywood completely, there are entire genres of movies that are dead because creativity in Hollywood is gone. It might take you a few more phases of MCU movies but even the most diehard fan will eventually get sick of nothing but superhero and heavy action movies no matter how good they are.
The problem is not politics, is writing
Both but mainly writing yes
I thought the same thing. A lot of the comics mirrored what was happening in the world. Then studios adapted those comics into movies. It’s just writing for the movies are bad. Wonder Women, She Hulk, Falcon, Ms Marvel, Black Panther etc. are not new characters.
@Bla Bla Would you say Dr strange 2 was woke too? If so what about it. I'm curious.
@Ks-pf4fx
You know what he/she/they/it/zey/zir/heehee means. Its about certain "woke" people.
@@Dionysos_____Alters the movies aren’t bad bc there’s more representation…they’re bad bc the rep is handled badly. The issue is always the writing
I love watching superhero movies the way I love watching every other type: they gotta be good
It’s that simple. It’s not fatigue, oversaturation, or anything aside from a string of poor movies that have hurt the perception of the genre. If a movie gets good reviews, people will show up. Nowadays, we just wait for the reviews first, which only hurts box office because the reviews aren’t good. We still await release dates, but with heavy caution. The genre isn’t dead. You act like people don’t care anymore. People do care, so much so that we desperately want them to be good and are hurt when they aren’t. Then, we don’t watch them. The superhero genre is strong. It’s just weakened as the studios thought they could bank on the capes and stop telling the stories
Cope harder. Super hero movies by hollywood are redundant, over cliche. They're boooooring. People don't care over super hero genre by hollywood. They should just end that trash super hero genre
@@erenyeagerist7681 you could just stop seeing them...
Also, he isn't entirely wrong either. There is definitely decline, but he's absolutely right that it's mostly a consequence of low quality garbage for the last couple years. The Joker, The Batman, The Boys, Invincible, Spider-Man: No Way Home, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, and arguably Wandavision (until the ending kinda faceplanted) are the only cape content that's actually been really good since Avengers: Endgame came out, which is saying something considering how much else has been put out in that time. Oversaturation from Marvel doesn't help things, but poor quality control is what it's all about when it gets right down to it. There's nothing wrong with the concept in itself. If you personally don't like it, cool. Don't watch it, just as I don't intend to watch the mediocre stuff, and will happily go see the good.
@@Tyler_W I think the oversaturation has led to a decline in the quality put out though for sure. Studios are throwing loads of writers at projects that they may not be that passionate about and that leads to alot of personal politics leaking into scripts and ruining the experience. Also, some of these shows just aren't worth a saga of episodes to get to their point. The fact that we have actually had good films since Endgame shows that there's still a great experience to be had, but I think Marvel got a bit greedy afterwards and none of the storylines are cohesive or line up like they did so beautifully in the Infinity Saga, Thor Dark World aside. I really hope some of the upcoming movies get it right again, because I am actually looking forward to and hopeful for Marvel bringing X-Men and Fantastic Four into the fold in a satisfying way. Hopefully those don't become plagued with the same recent issues.
@@gabrieleastersuperhero movies aren't interesting anymore.
I hope James Gunn changes DC on making a good story and have different visions yet being consistent.
I don’t think it’s just “superhero movies” and I don’t we are tired of them, I believe that it’s specificity in the mcu that has just gone bad. Dc looks like it’s going on an extremely good path and I truly believe the writing and stories are going to step up hugely
I agree. The problem is the shitty and lazy writing. And also the fact that the actors and studios insult the movie fans if they criticize the movies.
DC is stooping to the MCU level embarrassingly. Even letting the fox (Gunn) into the hen house. What have you been watching? It's the same exact sitcom jokes and making fun of itself tone that the MCU has been forcing down our gullible throats. These aren't epics anymore. That used to be a movie genre in itself: think Excalibur, the original Star Wars, Star Trek, Blade Runner, Lawrence of Arabia, Man Who Would Be King, etc. Now they are glorified comedies. Disney has been trying to take over anything they don't have - namely DC heroes - forever and they finally have their adolescent pawn in place to do so.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who realised that Disney plus ruined marvel stories. I’d also like to note, nice Disney bought them they’ve gotten more pg over the years where I character like black widow, an assassin, she used sticks on trying to stop Thanos when she had a gun
For me, I have a Marvel and DC Fatigue. I’ve been thinking this for a while but why can we get more adaptations of comics by Image or Dark Horse or go even further back reinvent of those characters from old pulp magazines like Doctor Death or The Shadow.
I feel like Marvel and DC have overshadowed Comic book movies that not many people realize there’s more comic bands and properties outside of those two.
@@redXfury Exactly. I feel like many point to Bloodshot as a reason for non-marvel/dc properties not being given a chance at adaptation because that was failure.
There’s so many comics they can adapt; Saga, Youngblood, The Mask (the original comic that was super gory and disturbing), Astro City, all great comics that deserve adaptations by creative writers and directors that don’t care about the MCU or DCU formulas and want to bring out the best of these works.
I would love to see Sam Raimi do his adaptation of The Shadow he always wanted to do without a studio’s clutches on his throat. Maybe Edgar Wright doing a more comic accurate adaptation of The Mask.
@@redXfury Bloodshot was not a good adaptation of the character imho.
This is a natural thing which happened over and over again in the history of Hollywood. In the 1950s and early 1960s historical epics set in the Roman period were huge (remember The Robe, Ben-Hur, Spartacus, Cleopatra, The Greatest Story Ever Told), but as they were making dozens of them every year, the audience started to get bored of this theme and the filmmakers also got burned out. The same is happening now with the superhero trend.
Superhero films aren't going anywhere. The first Superman movie came out in 1978. Then there was the Spiderman and Xmen movies of the early 2000's. Eventually the studios will realize they need to hire better writers and directors if they wish to keep audiences. Japanese studios have been producing good comic book based movies for decades. It's all about the writing and storytelling. I predict Chinese studios will eventually get into the superhero genre.
@@nerychristian I don't care about super heroes, I want to see something different
@@nerychristian what are you on about? 99% of anime movies have been atrocious lol
@@corymiller536Then leave
Comics are completely different my guy those are never gonna die just never
I just feel like it's too many in too short time. Every month it just feels like there's another one regardless of whether it's Marvel or DC.
The problem isn't the quantity. After all, if there was a new episode of The Boys every day, people would gladly watch them. People love to binge watch their favorite TV shows. So the problem isn't quantity. It's the quality.
@@nerychristian I would argue it's both. Yes indeed the lack of quality is a major issue. But because there are so many of them left and right, it's very difficult to want to get invested in any of them. Yes I love the Boys but I don't really consider that a superhero show. I call it more of a mocking of everything related to superhero shows which is why it's such a breath of fresh air.
@@nerychristian The success of "The Boys" is classic deconstruction. It's to the superhero genre what "Austin Powers" was to the oversaturated spy genre.
I think it's more writers fatigue than superhero fatigue. They all seem to mush together and feel samey
Yeah at the end of the day eventually you exhaust all unique storylines. Eventually all superhero films become the same thing. Hero fights and beats generic villain who want to destroy or take over. Once you've seen it a few times how many more times can you see the same thing. Also endgame was like the peak of the mcu and characters were new back then but now it's just the same old thing hero fights villain and wins the end. Theres nothing more to add to the genre.
RDJ's Tony Stark's demise signals MCU's falling and with it, the entire superhero genre.
Maybe Gunn could pull off something with DCU and give us something fresh.
I think the only two superheroes that have managed to completely avoid the decline are Batman and spider man this can be attributed to the fact that they are good and been in the spotlight for decades now instead of just 5 years or so
The only reason why Marvel studios didn't shit all over Spiderman and replace him with a female character, is because Spiderman is owned by a different studio. So they would never allow that to happen. If it had been owned by Disney, you can bet your ass they would have shit all over Spiderman and replaced him with a female Sipderman.
Spider-Man:Everything everywhere All at Spider-Verse (2023).
Sony/Marvel
3:12 I agree. Superhero movies are good when the director and writers are passionate about the characters. They care about these characters and have a story to tell. The best example I can think of is Guardian’s of the Galaxy. It is clear James Gunn is passionate about his character and cares about telling the story of these characters over making money. Looking at the GoG vol. 3 trailers, it is clear Gunn is passionate about these characters and wants to conclude their stories. I hope other directors take notes.
It's not superhero fatigue.
It's mediocrity fatigue.
People have been claiming "superhero fatigue" for more than a decade.
Most superhero movies from the 2000s were also mediocre.
Your argument is kinda correct but I think you are missing on the aiming. It's not a matter of oversaturation, it's a matter of the product getting cheaper and more mediocre. This is my point of view tho, good video.
It still applies tho, throw enough turds onto the table and only a few white chocolates, soon enough everyone loses their appetite and those that don't immediately vomit from the stench get tired of wondering whether the next one is gonna be a turd or a white chocolate, and everyone agrees the chef should've stopped at just handing out the 5 white chocolates as opposed to the 20 assorted turd majority white chocolate minority confection of garbage
@@samcochran8203 maybe is just that I'm not tired yet
"Joker" and "The Batman" were also standalone movies that you could enjoy without having watched all the other DC superhero movies.
A lot of it is the cinematic universe stuff. After a while, people just get tired of having to play catch-up.
I think this is where the fatigue is coming from. It's why Joker and The Batman have succeeded. They're totally free from that stuff, as of now.
I think superhero films as we've been defining them for the past fifteen years or so are indeed dying out, but that doesn't mean the genre itself is. Film genres don't really die; they just go into hibernation for a while until they're resurrected. It happened with the Western, which everyone was saying was dead for a good long while; now we get new Westerns all the time. It happened with animated films, which, people tend to forget these days, audiences were mostly pretty lukewarm about back in the '80's, up until films like 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' and 'The Little Mermaid' got everyone fired up about them again. It'll happen to superhero films, too - but THIS model of them is most likely never going to fly again, or, at least, to nowhere near the heights it once did. Audiences have been burned one too many times.
Another gem is Shang-Chi. It was a very enjoyable film and had some of the best action choreography sequences in the MCU.
I’m not hating but I keep hearing about how great it is, it was honestly a run of the mill superhero flick. I really struggled to finish it, it felt dragged out. I don’t see what all the praise and hype is about. Some of the humour is cringe worthy. Fair enough if you enjoy it.
@@BSG1892 Come on… Let’s face it, you know why they’re praising the hell out of it. Just think a bit. It’s the same reason why Black Panther was considered the Second Coming of Jesus of superhero films despite it being pretty average at best.
@@alexman378 if being inclusive or featuring a primarily non-white cast was "the only reason" why people liked these movies, they wouldn't be as widely well-reviewed as they are; as the non-white demographics they appeal to are a minority of the total moviegoing audience in the US. They're as well reviewed as they are because they appeal to a wider audience than just white people, and presenting its only because of the diversity reveals that you have the very race-only mindset that you're condemning others for supposedly having.
@@spencerterry603 Yeah yeah, sure. Let’s not act like they weren’t blatant about it. They’re well reviewed because you literally couldn’t give Black Panther a bad review without being lambasted. Don’t you remember when some poor guy said it was average on Rotten Tomatoes and they wrecked him? Or how the whole marketing was “the first black superhero ever”? They had such a huge need to turn these films into some sort of movement, that they marketed the shit out of Boseman’s death, to a disgusting and exploitative degree for the second one.
I’m not condemning anyone, I never had this mindset until they went out of their way to drill it into my head for years. It’s just how it is.
Featuring a primarily non-white cast wasn’t why people liked them. It was why they weren’t allowed to not like them.
@@spencerterry603no
I wouldn’t say fatigue. Ppl are tired of the over producing and lack of real character depth. Ppl wanna complain things being woke but that’s not the issue it’s that their overproducing and not doing the stories right.
Exactly. It's not the politics, or 'woke' that is the problem. It's just bad writing, where they drag some characters down, to try to lift others up. Like a certain horrible example in the She-Hulk series...
@@Nemrai the bad writing is happening because there are a bunch of ideologues who believe that their ideologies are morally superior and should therefor be inserted into any creative project they engage with. That's what breaks the writing, it's also the reason for She-hulk and Thor's character assassinations. Building your own creation from scratch that's immersed in your personal ideological framework is totally fine, some of the greatest art is exactly that. Instead we are witnessing people distorting and corrupting other people's creations, established & widely loved works, with ideological preaching that runs completely counter to how the stories were written in the first place.
You can't separate the "bad writing" from the ideological crusade that's going on, one is the result of the other.
@@Negentropy369 there is no "woke" ideology, lmao conservatives heard one stupid term and ran with it.
Superhero movies have truly ran its course and to me it's great that it's being burned out. Only thing is, hollywood is used to seeing movies now delve into the billions from the superhero era, that they won't ever go back to actually caring about movies like they once did. They know and understand about capitalizing on geek culture and know they will pay top dollar to watch their characters on screen, which brings their next project which are video game movies
I knew that superhero fatigue was eventually going to happen. Superhero movies are pretty much what westerns and musicals were back in the 50's and 60's. They were very popular in those days but they have pretty much died out.
Honestly I'm more than ready for superhero films to die soon. I used to love them now I'm just apathetic about most of them.
@June Asiimwe I honestly have to agree with you.
I'm done with them since 2017 or so, haven't watched anything superheroe related in years, except for The Boys, which was a breath of fresh air in the genre, it's not predictable and the darker tone is cool.
You know what really saddens me?! Is that the answer to that question “what could possibly top avengers endgame?” would’ve been the F4 and the X-men had Feige and Marvel played their cards right. That was the perfect moment to bring them in…. but now, after so much sh#% that came out and making Reed Richards look stupid in Multiverse of Madness (not to mention turning him into spaghetti)… by the time we get the F4 and the X-men it will probably be too late 😞
To me, a political perspective is inherent to an overwhelming majority of the greatest superhero stories. The Boys, which I agree is among the best superhero content right now, engages with a wide variety of political issues, but it does so through an incredibly articulate and thorough leftist lens. Its commentary is nuanced. The problem with the way the MCU engages in political issues, to me, is that they do it in such a lukewarm and performative way that they lose everybody. Conservatives hate it because they feel personally attacked, as if these movies are pushing some "woke agenda," when in reality, the studio's only agenda is making money. Leftists (like me) hate it because it's surface-level pandering nonsense trying to appeal to viewers like me and failing miserably because, again, it's obvious that the only reason it's there is to capitalize off of my generation's trend towards the left. You can't be interesting or effective in a conversation if you don't actually have a goddamn thing to say.
Hollywood is more leftist and insane than you could ever imagine. Saying that they are just trying to make money is coping.
No matter how radical you are Hollywood and the media will eventually push you beyond your breaking point and then you will become the new “conservative” just like we did 30 years ago but the difference is that your hard limits will entail the natural boundaries of some semblance of civilization and once the media and Hollywood push beyond that there won’t be a civilization anymore.
In reality left wing political messages are the exact opposite of what being a superhero represents. If the “The Boys” is that left wing then it is trash too.
Modern day leftists irritate the hell out of me yet I 1000% agree with you.
At this point only the extremes get any attention because thats how you get noticed in a digital world. Gotta be the loudest and farthest left or right as possible.
I'm gonna be honest, superhero movies aren't exactly the best at having anything political to say to begin with.
There are exceptions, but when you have a guy who just wants to destroy the universe it's hard to put any idealism in there.
Seeing as how successful Super Mario Bros. is doing financially, we may be seeing a transition for our modern entertainment, especially with rumors of a Nintendo Cinematic Universe.
I love that between The Last of Us and Super Mario Bros, it looks like video game adaptations could be the new trend. Sounds awesome as long as they're actually good.
@@movieoverload
They won’t be good.
Thank you so much for this, Hollywood needs to watch this video because it is a godsend. Both Marvel and DC have created wonderful, whimsical, and overall great and lovable characters and concepts that these studios just abuse, mock, water down, and just waste all for the sake of their own ego or wherever the fuck they sit on the political spectrum.
IT’s ALL SO DAMN TIRING, I want to feel these comic book characters come to life on the big screen and show the world what they were missing out on from the books and unless these companies get there shit together than the MCU’s Infinity Saga will be the last bastion for the Superhero genre.
I like how your channel name explains the reason in itself
I like how you make every point with your words alone, you don't need a ton of meems or sound clips to get your point apart. You express yourself well, thanks for sharing!
It’s dying because they keep releasing movies for the same superheroes. Didn’t Marvel have stated that they have around 80,000 characters in the universe? Yet they still release movies with the same handful of heroes, yet some of them are cool to watch but it gets boring and repetitive.
It’s really not that people are tired of super hero movies, we are tired of bad movies. I get kinda annoyed when people think we got tired of super hero movies when there hasn’t even been a good super hero movie made in a long time. No Way Home is literally the only super hero movie I’ve enjoyed since the Infinity War/Endgame saga. The rest are trash and not entertaining.
Shang chi was great too
@@kimberly4275 Only 3/4ths of it is good in my opinion. Marvel did what it always does, and forced a last act CGI battle into what couldn’t been a great, grounded movie. I would be a fan of the movie if it didn’t change direction half way through to focus on the stupid CGI battle. It just did not fit the movie well IMO and left a bad taste in my mouth by the end.
Honestly I think the biggest problem with a lot of movies nowadays is that they make a trailer first and a story second.
The first 3 phases of the MCU raised the bar for superhero movies. They then proceeded to start playing limbo with said bar. Pushing themselves down by shoving unwanted politics down our throats.
I'm cautiously optimistic that DC is about to pull their heads out of their ass and start making consistently good movies.
DCU...Blue Beetle looks like Guyver,Batman and Spiderman ripoff with goofy MCU humor.
I've heard Aquaman 2 is failing at all test screenings
@@nobudgetshortfilms5510 I'm not too surprised. They've probably butchered the movie when they removed as many scenes of Amber Turd as possible. Still, this is a pre-reboot movie that they have to release for financial reasons due to it being so far along so I don't consider it as relevant.
I hate saying it, but I definitely have superhero movie fatigue. This is why I'm not excited about the upcoming Flash movie even though a part of me wants to be.
The problem is it inflates the male ego
The Batman is the most boring and purposeless superhero film I've ever seen, I don't get the praise. All it has is a stylish camera work, color grading and good actors, nothing else.
Exploring political issues in film can be done masterfully and in a way that furthers the debate. This recent slate of writers, however, seem to have forgotten the existence of subtext and the fact that a well-delivered message enhances the story rather than coming at the direct expense of it.
I'm way on the left and have absolutely zero time for Nerdrotica-type commentators, yet even I find myself going 'jeezus, ok, pale man bad, we get it' in almost every recent superhero film. I'd have nothing wrong with that if the message wasn't delivered with all the subtlety of a preteen science genius' petulant quip.
Superheroe movies are dying because they're not superheroe movies; they're just comedy films with a huge budget!
For me it was over after no way home. All the films since have been so average. The issue now with marvel is all the Disney+ shows it seems a chore to watch them all and now they are linking into the films it’s no longer enjoyable to watch.
Not sticking to the 616 storyline source material is why Marvel is dying. They’ve strayed too far from it.
All the more reason to love and admire Unbreakable for what it accomplished all the way back in 2000.
One can only hope. To me, the day superhero movies are done will be a great day
I’ll be honest. I liked the chaos of Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. She seemed to show genuine emotional pain, something devoid from the cookie-cutter kickass girlboss character.
I recall RDJ himself once said that superhero movies will decline in popularity and it shows.
There should only be a few studios producing Quality over Quantity. Currently we have no studios doing that. No more wokeness and identity politics please, Disney shot themselves and the entire Superhero genre in the foot, by doing that. But I will say one thing, THE BOYS is all we really got left.
There are 5 issues for me.
1. Too many characters to follow. Iron Man, Dr Strange, Captain America. The movies used to focus on one character. Now there are 300 superheroes and you don't know who you're following anymore. Eternals. Marvels. Now Antman isn't Antman, its Antman, Mrs Antman, their kid, Grandpa Antman and Grandma Antman. And it's like they're all main characters.
2. Too many films to keep track of. The End Game films is 22 films released over 11 years, an average of 1 every 6 months. What it means is if you missed one, you had plenty of opportunity to catch up, watching clips on TH-cam or catching the film on streaming before the next one. Now it's homework. I watched Dr Strange 2 but hadn't seen Wanda TV. When they revealed Wanda, I felt like I needed to walk out of the cinema, watch a TV show for homework, then come back and continue the film.
3. Nobody cares about the multi-world. The Avengers defend Earth. Antman defending the quantum space I don't understand, didn't make sense, and I'm not interested in. Guardians is good but they're still defending something I understand. They're not opening up portals to planet who cares.
4. Bad writing. Honestly, good writing would save a lot of their problems. It is possible to follow multiple characters (see Suicide Squad 2, Guardians, Avengers) but it's gotta be done well. Coupled with this, the Avengers broke the multiverse by time travelling and stealing the stones, but then Dr Strange did it again in Spiderman because he became stupid and did a dumb spell. Then Dr Strange opens it again after Wanda did it, with the Latino Lesbian Wondergirl. Is the multiverse broken, is it not? It's like they had multiple ideas for opening the portal and they did all of them. Now everyone can multispace.
5. Wokeism.
I believe that the ease of creating totally unreal special effects is a big factor in this trend. Why create a good script when creating more absurd scenarios is just a matter of adding more rendering.
Love your videos man
It’s not fatigue. People r just tired of identity politics. Cause let’s be real, don’t sit here and act like when a brand new Superman or Batman or x-men etc movie comes out that fans aren’t gonna be omega level excited to see it
There has to still be a lot of good stories to be written, because God knows we’ve had plenty enough bad ones written so far.
Could Superman Legacy be a diamond in the rough
I just want Superman to actually act like Superman
@Jonas peoples perception of Superman has forever been warped by Injustice (MOSTLY Injustice), Man of Steel and Zack Snyders DCEU. The whole "Evil Superman" trope is more prevalent than the actual Superman. Homelander, Brightburn, Ikaris, and Omni-Man aren't helping with that
@@sharkanenoa5928
It actually made sense in Injustice, an alternate universe.
You dont go around making Superman act like an edgelord in your supposed mainline live action universe.
That's like making Batman a murderous psychopath.. Oh wait.
@@Jonas-ej7id Newsflash: Cavill’s Superman was acting like Superman.
@@muaddibnelson
Tell me you haven't experienced any other good superman media without telling me you haven't
Something about all the CGI and special effects starts to make it feel like nothing that happens in the story of any consequence. And now with the multiverse stuff it really feels like nothing matters. That said...they're definitely beautiful to look at. And super well done for what they are. But they are what they are. A formula. Oversaturation is a problem with any genre or premise.
Why does it always have to be the entire universe that's at stake?? How many have these marvel heroes have we seen making a difference in their hometown before going off to save the world...
The way that i haven't seen this channel before just blows me away,
Am glad i subscribed...
It's not about politics in films, it's bad writing.
Also: including more women in the films should not be "politics" 😅
The core Avangers had just black widow and then Scarlet witch and both were basically side characters for a long time.
The mcu had a problem with too littel women in their films, not with too many.
The ones we do get now are often poorly written though 😔
I agree to that.
I agree a lot with what this guy is saying, but I also think that it's not fatigue it's just bad content, and we're all tired of it.
"Every single project has to be some sort of political statement " like iron man wasn't about war profiteering and captain America 2 wasn't about corrupt governments. These projects have always had political messages, and while they're less veiled than they used to be, don't pretend this is something new. They're just actually taking stances on issues more complicated than "war is bad" now
Here we go with the “movies were always political” argument missing the point once again. There’s a difference between political messages and specifically partisan political messages. “War profiteering” and “governments can be corrupt” are bipartisan concerns. Woke messaging tends to lean towards one political aisle and while it isn’t necessarily new, it has never been this dominant as it is now. The stances being taken aren’t “more complicated” but they are skewed towards the left. Too much partisan politics inevitably creates division. More and more big studio and indie films are pushing for political quotas. The state of California has literally pushed earlier this year to provide tax benefits to films that adhere to their specific ideology and punish those that don’t. Stop trying to minimize or deny the shifts that have been going on right in everyone’s faces, it borders on intellectual dishonesty.
@@windowsVD "woke" messaging lol. Black people existing and getting a movie is woke now everyone! Women getting harassed is woke! The thing is these "partisan" ideas you don't like, that you think are divisive, they're really not that crazy, and they're a lot more popular than you think they are, you're just using a buzzword to pretend they're different and weird. Why are these projects as well reviewed as they are? Why are they some of the most successful movies? Media is under no obligation to appeal to everyone, and Marvel specifically has always had things to say politically. (Kirby and Stan Lee) The thing is, i think you just hate to see ideas you personally don't think are that big of a deal taken seriously In media. (Also I couldn't find the California thingy, but I'm sure it's real...)
@@windowsVD Comic books have always skewed left in politics though, all the way back to the Golden Age. How do you write a story about a hero uplifting the downtrodden while pushing a message that leans right politically when the party that represents the right actively hurts those downtrodden people? You can't really claim "both sides bad, represent me fairly!" when one side is actually mustache twirling evil and the other co opts legitimate issues and uses them as political points for easy votes.
@@ashketchum1752 Ah yes, because breadlines were so great for the downtrodden historically. Nothing more to say to you when you have such a laughably biased view of what’s left and right wing.
@@windowsVD I guess that's my bias towards modern right wing American politics but you're right. Historically, the politics of the Golden Age comics were more complex than 'left' or 'right', and more about uprooting corruption, helping the needy, and generally fighting against bigotry and for civil rights.
Modern comics CAN'T lean right, at least the American right. Again, this isn't bias. If we're talking about modern American politics, we're also talking about one side of the aisle wanting to persecute women and LGBTQ, and the other co-opting those issues for votes without actually doing anything about it.
The Batman did NOT break the formula. It succeeded because it was well written. Thats all we want. A well written story. The Boys works because its well written. The Batman had all the ingredients. Introduce hero, introduce bad version of hero, throw in a lil romance, couple jokes, explosive finish, hero wins, post credit scene. It followed the formula to the letter but since it actually tells a good story, no one either noticed or cared. Im tired of people saying that theyre tired of the superhero genre or the "marvel" formula. Youre not. Youre just tired of shitty writing.
Its not oversaturation either. I would LOVE it if we got all the content we did in phase 4 constantly, but only if it was actually worth watching. Of all the D+ shows i only really enjoyed Hawkeye and Werewolf by Night. I wanted to like all the rest but fuck me they were poorly written filler products. It would be fan boy heaven if we got as much as we did and was actually good shit. But it isnt.
I been a Marvel and DC fan wayy before the MCU took over. I loved the comics, the the tv shows, the movies, and the video games. Over the last couple of years, I’m no longer interested in watching the Marvel and DC movies. I still watch some of the Marvel and DC cartoons I grew up with but I lost my interest in it. Hollywood really ruined Marvel and DC for me. I also love the Boys and I love how they call out the superhero genre
I'm on the same boat, i used to love them back in the 90's and early 2000's, the first movies of the MCU were awesome, but after the Avengers movies, i haven't seen not one movie or show, i'm totally done with it. I also think that The Boys is cool, but it's starting to get repetitive and i feel they're stretching it out a little bit, since it's the most famous show on Amazon.
Thank you for making this.
Not only are super hero movies dying but we are seeing a resurgence in genres that have been near dormant for a while. First the Action star movie is making a comback. Top gun Maverick did well John Wick 4 did well and I have no doubt that mission impossible 7 will do well the other genre I have noticed make a pretty big comback is slasher horror. It started with the new Halloween films then we got a couple if new Scream movies and Now Evil Dead Rise all for the most part good movies for that genre and I think if you brought back Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street and the people making them had some real passion for them they would do well too. The reason those films did well and the reason The mario movie and Even Puss in boots did so well is people are wanting to go back to something that has been missing for a while we want our heroes and villians back. For a while now our heroes have all been deconstructed and our villains misunderstood. And I think most if us are tired of that.
It’s not fatigue, they’re just shit. You bring out an iron man 1 level film and people will go nuts.
the thing i hate about movies today is when they bring real life problems into them so annoying
@@MichelangeloVA LOL NAAAA
I was so bummed when watching Spider-Man (2002) in theaters and realized the main villain is a greedy businessman and clearly has contempt for poor people. Raimi should have toned down the real world nonsense. While we’re at it, why did Christopher Nolan make such commentary against poor people rising up against the rich (see, TDKR, a more than decade old film.)
I think Gunn is going to bring back storytelling with the DCU. Shows like BTAS, Batman Beyond, BaTB, and JL/JLU have good rewatchability because of their themes and the topics that are sprinkled in for mature audiences. The stories are woven in a way that parents can sit with their kids and enjoy it from a different perspective.
The biggest mistake companies like Disney/Marvel are making is disrespecting their original fan base in lieu of appealing to an audience that barely existed when they started making movies
I don’t have superhero fatigue, as I am looking forward to Guardians, Spider Verse, Flash, and The Batman Part II. I’ve even been happily consuming other superhero content outside of Marvel and DC like My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, Invincible, and The Boys, My Hero and One Punch specifically for years. The problem, or rather, MY problem, is the poor writing and mishandling of the films, universe, and character arcs. I feel a lack of cohesion in both universes. So much so I am burned out on the rest of the MCU and DCEU.
It also started feeling like homework treading thru the new MCU stuff that I had no interest in really but HAD to watch to understand the next few projects. If there was something worthwhile I wouldn’t mind, but there wasn’t a single MCU show I genuinely liked except for maybe Hawkeye. Meanwhile, Peacemaker was great and I thoroughly enjoyed. All they need is something worthwhile 👍
My Hero Academia is terrible lol and has been seeing a massive decline in popularity and relevance. Invincible and The Boys are on top though
@@train123z k, cool 👍
@@NinthShinigami never trust somebody who likes mid 🙏
@@train123z k, cool 👍
@@NinthShinigami excellent commentary
It’s not fatigue or over saturation. It’s poor writing. Actions lack consequences. Political agendas are being pushed. I want substance, not something I can leave on for background noise.
The Batman 2 is the only superhero movie I'll watch. I just don't care. Yeah, Wolverine is going to be in Deadpool. Anyone think X23 and/or a female Deadpool won't show up and become the hero? It's going to be dogshit writing and God only knows what kind of director it will get.
The cast is online already and she’s not in it so thankfully that won’t be the case. But seeing as it’s gonna stay rated R I’m still gonna give Deadpool 3 a shot
IMHO, the trigger was "Thor Love & Thunder". The entire Marvel literally went from "saving the universe" in End Game to literally "making fun of superheroes movie".
Sorry but after I found star trek in netflix, goodbye to super hero movies.
Great movie essay, but I think it’s incomplete without reference to Spider-man: NWH and the lessons of that movie - an addendum video on this would be very interesting
No one is going to be watching that in five years. It's is only good in comparison to other 2020s movies.
That movie was 99% references to things we already saw. It was such a letdown and killed movie hype for me. That’s good I guess. It was my generation’s phantom menace, it’s just with PM the reviews weren’t as cooked.
Up until endgame, superhero movies were fucking on top.
I'm fatigued with the word "fatigue". The only problem with Superhero movies is that the recent ones havent been as good. Thats the only issue here, its not rocket science.
Its both fatigue and lack of quality. Its both of them. Not hard to understand why.
@@johnjoseph6874 People didnt get "fatigued" when the movies were good. It was only when they dropped in quality that it happened.
@@BasketCase-rr7tx That’s not true. People started getting fatigued because of the huge amount of movies and shows that marvel started releasing. That’s called oversaturation. When franchises don’t know when to end. People get burned out. The lack of quality only helped it get worse faster. People love to say fatigue isn’t real but its been real forever. Now Marvel is crossing into that.
Goodbye superheroes.
Hello video games!
I think it's a shared universe thing that turns me away from the superhero genre. Every new movie that comes into the shared universe has to up the stakes, and when they do that, the hero of that movie has to be stronger than the hero before to meet the threat. That makes every new hero introduced into the shared universe make every other hero before them obsolete.
People watched Guardians 3 because of its mostly standalone nature.
Maybe because there are a lot of super hero films being released at the same time and most of them care more about quantity and fan service than create quality?
Predictable storylines/ similar character arcs/ comic reliefs during action scenes have made it hard to appreciate post 2015 superhero movies.
I knew it was over after Endgame. Literally walked out of the theatre, "it's over, whatever phase 4 holds will just be a bunch of shit not accepting the end" and so it was.
As someone who's never watched a Marvel film in full this whole video is gibberish to me, but it's very interesting nonetheless.
Very excited for the Flash, looks very good, hopefully it’ll spark excitement in the genre again
Good. Superhero movies should die. Inflates the male ego drastically
Someone else in the comics mentioned Matt Damon's explanation of how the death of DVD sales meant that, along with the constantly growing pressure to have the biggest opening weekend ever, movies have a small window of time in which to sell tickets/get eyes on them. That means the movies immediately have to be "shiny" enough to multiple demographics (kids, teens, young adults, parents, older fans) such that literally everyone goes to see the movie on release day. Every once in awhile you get a Dark Knight, a Reeves The Batman, a Black Panther, or Into the Spider-verse. But those tend to be special cases. Most of the time, the "satisfy everyone" products are either the by-the-numbers, formulaic stuff you mention in the video, or ultra-dark, serious takes. Unless you're making a Batman (or Joker) movie, that doesn't really work for Marvel outside of characters like The Punisher, Daredevil, or something like Logan. Disney is in no hurry to make movies true to those characters that would scare off the young kids or appear to support antiheroes (cough.. Book of Boba Fett... Cough!), so it seems like one way they can seem relevant to the adults is by playing up the politics of a property.
I agree with Scorsese and Quentin
It's not fatigue, nobody was watching marvel and now gotg is doing good. The problem is that they are trying to please people that are not their usual audience
With all the powers and concepts, I know superhero genres could be more, just look at Watchmen both Zack's and the 2019 tv series, I think it was well written
Also a partial reason for its decline is a maturing audience. The initial audience for superhero movies are now 18+ and are now wanting more content aimed for adults. Disney keeps playing it safe and is not growing with its audience.
Bored of the cameo era already.. bring back solid storytelling..
I love that the center of the thumbnail is Scarlet Witch. Who is a villian
In Previous Movies She wasn't a Villian also she was Corrupted by the Darkhold in Dr Strange 2
Great video and nice sarcastic dig at Morbius film 😉😉😉😉
It would have been a 10/10 if they added: IT'S MORBING TIME!!!! as the film's tagline 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's always morbin time
I hate Morbius.
Dude you’re kinda wrong here. There’s only like 4 superhero movies coming out this year. Whereas there’s a non superhero movie coming out every week.
This isn’t a superhero fatigue situation, it’s a SHITTY movie fatigue.
Studios don’t understand what their audiences want and continue to push these movies where they don’t appeal to either gender or group.
Everything you said was spot on. Fatigue , oversaturation and Identity politics are killing superhero movies. I feel like I’m getting scolded when I watch these shows or movies now.
Ironically, the 2nd Shazam movie would have benefited with the classic formula of fighting the hero's evil version of himself.