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I feel like they put more focus on Wanda then kang wadavision was the first thing in fase four and I know that was because of covid Wanda was like the queen of zombies in what if and she was the villain in multiverse of madness and the kang we see in the movie isn't even the main kang we see him in a post credit scene
In regard to the idea of Antman's death, even MattPatt from Film Theory thought it was a good idea. Linking his death to the motivation of uniting heroes against Kang.
Ant man is kind of the 9 to 5 super hero. you couldn't make the argument that if he fails then the polices or some other normal agency could just fix the problem. When he not on the job he just doing normal stuff, keeping out of prison being a dad you know normal thing. When its in a bigger move he dose a good job of showing what a real normal person is going to be like. But the wrong pick for Kang, Kang kind of needed a heavy hitter that we normal would assume would win... only to loose no contest really sell how dangers he is by letting him win right at the start no problem. Should have been multivers of madness, Kang vs multiple Dr.strange and a not badly written scarlet witch. And Kang wipes the floor with then, no contests., the got slapped and had no chance whats so ever. Seven million realities and in one they last a few second longer kind of beat down. The only reason the heros make it though is Kang has more important goals then confirming the kill against something that isn't a threat on any level.
They need to incorporate more practical effects and sets. My favorite scenes from phase 4 have been the more grounded & emotional moments. Like NWH’s Green goblin vs. Spider man fights. Another example are the flashback sequences from Shang Chi. Also just the writing for the most part sucks. I keep seeing hints of a compelling story buried underneath the lack of nuance, awful jokes and bad dialogue. The over reliance on generic and simple story devices is killing these movies. Plus overall the multiverse plot thread is messy. That stuff was poorly planned. unfortunately. even the movies from this phase not related to the multiverse sucked. They should have at least excelled in those films. And I don’t want anymore tv shows unless they’re given a minimum of 10 episodes + well thought out. There’s too much sub par or plainly bad content being thrown at the audience.
“This is a Marvel problem. This is an MCU problem…” It goes beyond that, this is a Disney problem. Look at how they’re handling Star Wars, or hell, look how they handled Pirates of the Caribbean before the Johnny Depp Amber Heard thing
Yup, things were obvious with Disney cancelling Earth's Mightiest Heroes, an insanely popular Marvel animated series people considered on par with Justice League in favor of Avengers Assemble, a cheap, lazy cash grab used to prop up the MCU and sell cheap action figures.
@@OogaBoooga I mean, I agree with the quality of those two shows; however, they're 2 good things in the middle of a lot of meaningless ranging from bad to average content. This is something Disney is doing with all its properties. For example, they are making a prequel movie of The Lion King about Mufasa... why? It is so unnecessary, it serves no purpose other than making money out of the nostalgia of people, and most likely it'll suffer the same problems as most of the Disney content has been presenting in the last 4 years.
@The Cambot Im sorry, but I can’t take anyone serious who says sjw or woke un ironically. And the new season of the bad batch is pretty good, even tho i didn’t enjoy the first season. Plus tales of the Jedi, and Visions are pretty cool and unique projects
@@movieoverload The title of this P5 film is Ant-Man and the *Wasp* Quantumania and Marvel gave Evangeline Lilly's Hope NOTHING vital to do. Way to go, Marvel.
Came into the comments to point this out, haha. One of the worst examples of *title characters* being COMPLETELY sidelined. Remove her from the film and nothing changes, besides catching a falling Antman. That's it.
I watched shang chi recently and easily the worst part was shang's friend feeling the need to be constantly quippy in a somewhat serious movie. Seriously there is nothing wrong with letting these movies get serious sometimes.
Eh. She definitely didn’t over do it and she wasn’t annoying either. She was pretty funny sometimes and even when it wasn’t funny, it didn’t really take away from the seriousness of the film. Quantumania and Love and Thunder on the other hand…
@@JumbleBeeRescue No, she was pretty meh and forgettable, and then they tried to shoehorn a love interest at the end of the movie for some reason. If they took her out of the movie it would still be just as good if not better
I agree with you about Micheal Pena's absence from Quantumania. Luis was one of the best parts in the Ant-Man franchise and the fact that Marvel just straight up kicked him out is absolutely *criminal.*
the whole crew was dogged. luis, T.I. and polka dot man. they were needed in this but i don’t know how it would’ve worked considering most of the film was set in the quantum realm
Oversaturation is definitely a huge factor. But even if they only averaged 2-3 films a year like their earlier phases, I still think they'd really struggle due to the general repetitiveness of everything. At the end of the day Kang is just Thanos 2.0, and the phases are setting up for another big villain takedown like the last one. There's nothing really "new" about that. I'm sure most of us say it, but I miss the old phases. It was so fun watching things like the first Avengers meeting or the Civil War happening. Now all the films and shows just feel grey.
There have been similar issues all over film these days. The feelings of discovery and wonder are gone from most movies, and it just seems like everyone's rehashing the same territory these days.
@@EmptyZoo393That's not actually the problem, the problem is that you people _feel _ like the sense of discovery and wonder are gone. I had experienced every variation of every story that could ever be told by the time I was sixteen years old. I did my school work within minutes of it being handed to me and then spent every class reading books I liked, on t of books that were assigned by my literature teachers, and then I went home and binge watched as much tv as possible before doing the same thing the next day. Comics, plays, novels, sitcoms, dramas, films, I watched and read everything and because of that I saw the same stories rehashed thousands of times over. The point I'm building to is that despite the fact that I'm over a decade out of school I can still enjoy a film despite it not telling a 100% original story, we've been out of original stories for generations. If a Pop-culture black hole like me can enjoy movies, all of the regular viewing public who have only ever read three books and haven't managed to hit four digits in their number of movies watched can stop pretending that they're above it all and have seen all there is to see. I've been watching movies just to shit on them through the widest smile I can muster for most of my life. If someone thinks movies are dead because no fun can be wrung from them they're just lying and being purposefully obtuse.
cassie acting like "fuck you dad im the main character and im the one thats right" type of attitude did it for me. even ant man told her "did you save the universe? did you fight thanos? no? i did" and they still shoved her into the front
That's what pisses me off about the MCU they push these female characters to the front and they don't earn it at all. That's why I hate Thor love and thunder. In the comics Lady Thor earned that shit, she was awesome, and to see the movies throw that character away and just go bland as fuck was so disappointing.
@@adrinka not at all. like i get it they trying to show stature.. become a hero.. (she actually is a hero in marvel comics..) but like perfect example.. they could do it on a seperate thing and not a fucking ant man movie
Why won’t Janet tell anyone about Kang? My expectation: She actually helped insert Kang as the ruler of the Quantum Realm in the hopes of returning home before realising he intends to destroy earth. The actual reason: “I helped him get his super suit back”
Legit, her avoiding to tell her family what she did is one of the most INFURIATING PARTS OF THE MOVIE. It felt like nails on a chalkboard because GOD! I cannot help but think that they did all of this just for a build up that wasn't even worth it. I really thought "is that really it????" And I just rolled my eyes.
The saddest part of Ant-Man and the Wasp quantumania is that one of the two characters in the title was so forgettable that it didn't even make it into the segment about characters in this video. Wasp upset me so much because she basically just played the reverse role of the damsel in distress and spent the entire movie going "Where's Scott?"
So a common complaint prior is that the female characters are too powerful and now it is they are not powerful enough. I'm not saying you said anything bad, I'm just struggling to wonder why can't these writers find a good middle ground?
@@DirtySteve426it’s because instead of thinking about the woman characters like normal people like the male ones, they think of them as different and needing special skills to be “different” If the stupid writers just made good characters for the sake of it instead of specifically choosing traits based on gender it would be so much better
@B H its different when the character isnt shoehorned in and masters of their craft just because ie female thor and she hulk. Wasp had a great backstory and was developed. Hell piper was believable as iron woman. But you give she hulk full control over her hulk powers over the course of a few episodes when bruce had to fight to control himself for years before achieving some peace and control. And then jane having the same if not more skill with mjolnir than thor, thor the guy that had hundreds or thousands years to train to become who he was.
Multiverse of sadness 😂 when i saw the star fish fight i was sleeping. The story has no hype but just some vivid layers of CGIs and cameos. I was done after watching that shit too. I wish they made a full movie from the What if.. episode about: where Dr. Strange tried to avoid his girlfriend's death so many times.. and the watcher didn't help to bring her back. That amazing episode alone is better than this real life movie.
I don't understand why there is so much content... most of the tv shows don't even have enough story to justify a plot longer than the runtime of a movie, and the characters aren't even interesting. I think it's jsut becayse disney knows anything they churn out will make them millions regardless of its actual quality.
@@desireandfire Its the subscription model is causing this issue. A lot of identity politics vs actually story building, people pulled their 13 dollar a month subscription. Disney lost 2.4 million subscribers as of 2023 which could be a reason. One of the executive producer at Marvel who wanted to change the "X-Men" name to "The Mutants" just got fired.
To be fair, I did notice that he left off Agents Of Shields from the Phase 2 list (and the inhumans show from whichever phase they came out in) and we don't know how many of the show heroes shall actually join the movies (the what if's were just for fun, the wolf one was said from the start to be a one off thing and heroes like Moon Knight might just stay in his own show).
I definitely agree that after Endgame, they probably should have taken at least a year break before continuing on with phase 4 and beyond. Even Far From Home ending Phase 3 kind of felt weird too tbh. Edit: I realized they did take a year away once the pandemic hit so my mistake lol
That’s because you don’t pay attention. People like you only enjoy a movie when things are made obvious to you. Sometimes a movie dialogue needs deeper analysis. My favorite movie of all time is called Chaos starring Wesley snipes. That movie has some of the best dialogue and bank heist iv ever seen in a movie. Yet people rate that movie poorly just because unless it’s super obvious to them they don’t want to dive deep and uncover things in the movie. A line in the movie that one of the bank robbers tell the detective after killing a hostage. He says “you can’t expect to keep hostages in check if you let a bad deed go unpunished, chaos has some order to it” that line was just brilliant
Cassie was THE MOST OBNOXIOUS character I’ve ever seen. And every 15 year old girl being an omega genius really takes away from the people who really are geniuses… Tony, reed, Bruce, Shuri… if everyone is brilliant then it cheapens the Tony cave scene and all that stuff
She was just cancer 🤦🏾♀️🤡 most annoying character ever… “yeah you saved the entire universe and half of all sentient life in it but that wasn’t today so what have you done today? Bc I just got home from a ‘fiery but mostly peaceful’ protest which is worth more than anything you’ve ever accomplished” 🙄🤦🏾♀️
There are too many smart people on the MCU that make Tony look not that impressive, Shuri for example I mean Wakanda is more advanced than the rest of the world BUT feels like Shuri is the only smart there in the last Black Panther she was the only one working on recreating the plant and I was like "should not Wakanda have like a shit ton of scientists?" Now Cassie is smart? When the hell did this happen? HOW? The only super smart people going forward should be Peter, Hank, Bruce and Reed cause being super smart is actually the biggest threat of Kang and if everyone is super smart then Kang feels like meh as consequence
Coulda had Scott say “Luis is covering for me at the bookstore” and have a scene of him Trying to read Scott’s book, but going off script and summarizing the snap in his own way
I was really annoyed Luis wasn’t in the movie. He’s a great character. What I would’ve loved is at the end, Luis talking to Scott and telling Scott - ‘some guy came to the office asking about you, he mentioned something about The Avengers, he had a huge muscles, was wearing like a purple and green trench coat, he was reserved but menacing’. Then, the camera shows Lang’s face being terrified.
yeah same issue if there are multiple kangs. if he keeps getting defeated it will both be repetitive and kang as a villain can't be taken seriously. i really hope he doesn't end up looking the exact same with the same power set in every incarnation.
There is a stake to that bc yk ppl can’t just jump over to another universe when theirs gets fucked. I think the issue is ppl just 1 have trouble understanding the multiverse stories which I knew would happen when they announced the saga and 2 ppl will always compare these characters and stories to the originals and it will never be as good. Iron man cap OG hulk are the best characters and stories marvels ever made and are iconic for a reason.
@@colbycarmichael5138 no, there's no stakes. Kang says at the end of Loki he always ends up up the same spot. No matter what they do. That's why he doesn't care. He's knows even if the worst version of him takes over, it's temporary.
@@Squiffel I think you should look into kang and his origin more. That’s what makes him so hard to defeat. The avengers have to figure out how to return the timeline back and stop kang from infinitely recycling variants of himself. That’s what makes him OP, he who remains was just the last kang from the first war
@@colbycarmichael5138 It doesn't make him hard to defeat at all. He wins infinitely and he loses infinitely. That's what infinite variants means. It's all meaningless.
I knew after watching endgame that I should just let things end and not watch any other marvel movie. I'm glad I did. That ending was perfect, and I didn't want to watch the stories of my favorite characters be ruined.
Nah, you need to add Far From Home and No Way Home as the Epilogue to the MCU. Anything else is just "extra". I personally really enjoyed Shang-Chi and Eternals (yes, I didn't board the hate wagon with that one). WandaVision was interesting too until the last episode came.
Michael Pena should have done the narration at the beginning while Scott is walking around, then it cuts to Luis reading Scotts book at that bookstore and then going "now let me tell you what really happened". Just then Scott walks in the bookstore with a WTF look on his face because Luis was just supposed to set up the event and wait for Scott. I would have laughed so hard.
Would've but it wasn't because aren't in charge. Good thing you are just a nobody crying on TH-cam and not an actual person who can enact change. Keep commenting fam!
Jonathan Majors deserves a better script with how good his performance was. Between this and wasting Bale as Gorr, I am really disappointed at Disney and Marvel.
After seeing this film, it’s no wonder Michael Douglas mentioned he would only return for another MCU film if his character gets killed off. He’s probably wondering what’s the point of staying around if he’s barely going to do much
I still think problems started in infinity saga and were very visible in endgame, but studio had inertia and loyalty, and only that helped them last for the whole phase4
MCU became too big for its own good and that's why it's crumbling with its own weight right now. After Endgame they should have paused for a few years to plan the next arc, complete the scripts and then start the production. But of course for money reasons they immediately rushed without even completed scripts, made lots of the last second changes which caused a huge drop of quality.
The scary thing is that there are still MCU die-hards out there who will go to the latest release and lap it up and speculate what the post credits scenes are all about and eagerly await the next movie. It's a way of life and an identity, like Harry Potter or Welcome Back Kotter. Other Survivor die-hard fans are looking forward to Survivor 44 long after the general population tuned out.
@@jimmyboydonald6578 it's not scary. Let people do whatever they want. Some people still enjoy these movies. They're not terrible either. They're bad in context of what Marvel is Marvel movies were getting that hate already in Phase 1, but that's heightened now because they've been around for so long. I can guarantee you I wouldn't hear the end of how bad the new Thor was or how bad Age of Ultron was
Glad you mentioned the over reliance of CGI because that has become a HUGE issue in phase four. The early MCU films look infinitely better then all of phase four and some of phase three because they used practical effects and filmed on location, making each film look and feel unique. The almost exclusive use of CGI has made everything look cheap and devoid of any character or feeling. It’s all just a grey, poorly animated mess. And I don’t fault the CGI artists and animators for this at all, they are doing all the can do. I blame marvel and Disney for underpaying, overworking, and exploiting them, having them animate an insane about of content in such a short amount of time because it’s the cheapest option for Disney
Real issue is writing and casting. Vast majority of audience are guys. Guys don’t want woke WNBA marvel nonsense full of boring girl boss tropes and white man bad garbage. Guys don’t want their heroes ridiculed or replaced with trash. Disney went for diversity in a major guy franchise hoping to grow larger audience. Instead they have pissed off those who used to watch and now won’t watch. Again, guys do not want WNBA Marvel.
The first Iron Man definitely looks better and more gritty than anything in phase 4 - maybe there's an element of the former being shot on film? Everything up until Thor: Ragnarok was shot on film (with Ragnarok and subsequent movies being shot digitally), and I think it shows.
@@rbu2136 stop it man. Using WNBA as a stand-in for your misogyny isn't cool. Women have always watched the MCU and you're speaking from a place of complete ignorance.
The VFX artists are given massive workloads with tight deadlines leading to crunch culture, lots of last minute reshoots and CG changes, but another big problem is many of their work-for-hire directors are not very experienced with visual effects and lack a clear vision. This is where vfx/action directors like James Cameron excel. Heck, he got his start in the industry as a VFX guy, so he understands the whole pipeline from beginning to end.
@@rbu2136 Correction, men in general are attacked by Marvel. Watch She Hulk, she doesnt specify which color the men have. She just attacks men in general, Im black and I was hurt by watching that show. The amount of times "men are bad, women are good" lines in there just hurts my soul.
What bugs me the most is that most of these latest films could use minor tweaks to make them better. This one required 2: delete MODOK and don't have Michelle retroactively know it all. If the story was just the ant family sucked into a different part of the quantum realm where there are beings and they all help Kang to later realize he's a villain, it could be almost the same movie bug way better.
@@chasehedges6775agreed infinity war was far more better than end game but that’s what usually happens and ending will almost never be satisfying also i’ll say GOTG3 i liked it far more than end game as well
I agree, that Marvel died in 2019 with Endgame and now they try to replace the old superheros with new booring meaningless female superheroes, so thats why most people stopped caring about MCU after Endgame.
The main problem that I see at the moment is that marvel absolutely cannot let go of characters, whether that be in death or bringing them in from other universes. Alongside this, there’s just no stakes any more in individual films, the endings of the last few films and series have just been dreadful
Yeah, it feels like the Core of the MCU is gone yet instead of mourning them, they are mocked. She-Hulk, the young Thors, the Iron-Man replacement in Wakanda Forever as well as the legacy of Cap would be enough on their own to stop me from enjoying the movies. It feels like neither the characters nor their actions matter, nothing makes sense, things happen just because the writers want them to happen and consequences are something that only exists when they them to.
I love that you compared watching modern Marvel to homework, because that's SO true. My dad and I have bonded over going to these movies together, watching the shows together, etc, but I think Shang Chi and Loki were the last things we actually enjoyed. We couldn't finish WandaVision, were heavily disappointed by MoM, and we've gotten to the point where we havent seen probably half of Phase 4. It isn't fun. It's just homework.
@@pyramidion5911 well I left the MCU following No Way Home and only saw Black Widow because my dad rented it for the family. So yes, I skipped all of phase 4 and the tv shows during the 1st 3 phases
Could you imagine if Quantumania had Avatar-level special effects? Could you imagine if it were competing with Avatar: Way of Water for its CGI hype and buzz, and if it were a real contender (if not winner) at the Academy in that category? I think people would be talking about Quantumania differently. It still has tone and story and character problems, but Marvel knew going in to Quantumania that they were going to spend the whole film in the quantum realm--they should have known upfront to invest more heavily in VFX so that we don't get CG fatigue. Imagine the discourse on this film if people were gushing over its VFX creativity and how immersive and stunning the quantum realm is. Much as I loved Kang in this movie, this movie is going to be just too difficult to rewatch.
@@DUGotd Didn’t use to be that way. It was child friendly, sure, but there were deeper themes and stories. There was soul in there, that’s what I can’t feel anymore.
Quantumania was advertised as this huge turning point but it literally had a net zero plot that gained nothing and lost nothing that couldn’t have been covered in an episode or season of Loki instead
Warning wall of text incoming :) This seems like a problem on paper, but honestly once you start interpreting the MCU in a way that got comic book fan interprets comics it quickly goes away. What I mean by this is that there are... SO many comics. Such a vast array of content produced for a vast array of characters. Us comic book fans don't read everything that comes out, we read what interests us. I've always seen the MCU the same way. If you decide to view the MCU is something you need to see every individual piece of, that's you exhausting yourself. If you plan to stick with the franchise (and if you don't, that's fine) I promise you that you will be much better off cherry picking what interests you rather than watching everything marvel pumps out like homework. You will have a much more fulfilling experience. I don't really agree with the consensus of the video that you should feel compelled to watch every bit of scrap you're fed in case you miss anything. If you don't want to, don't. It's your time, your spend it. I wasn't interested in Thor 2, or Black Widow, so? Didn't watch it. Didn't watch WandaVision or Loki or What If, and I'm not gonna watch Ironheart when it comes out this year. If something comes out with a character I like who I missed, I make the choice to go back and watch that. This doesn't really fix the quality problem, but it does mean you can live your life. Just my two cents.
Really they should make Kang the villain of each movie going forward, only to know that he is learning from each interaction and growing stronger. That would culminate into some badass villain.
Nah, people are going to get Kang fatigue. Not a good idea. He should pop in 3-4 more movies at most before his great rise as the major menace - and even then in those 3-4 movies he should be the one pulling the strings or making an appearance, not the main guy.
That would get old very quick and actually make the fatigue people are getting from the MCU even worse. It’s better to have a variety of villains for each individual hero to overcome and have him in the background learning every interaction and growing stronger that way. The Thanos build up worked great so they don’t need to fix what ain’t broke.
@@johnjoseph6874Man, I'll even take that "Bad guy is just an evil version of the hero with the exact same powers" trope Marvel always gets made fun of for, over just more Kang. I say that as someone who adored the Kang from the comics and really loved how multiple other characters we had met before turned out to be Kang from different points in time, it was great. The MCU Kang isn't getting any of that.
So agreed regarding Janet...I was legit pissed off by the third time...and there were like seven times...that she refused to explain anything. And most of them immediately got the heroes in worse trouble.
Man, before Endgame when there was a Marvel movie coming you could see a lot of people in the theater and lines of people waiting for the movie, I went to see Ant-Man because I heard there was Modok and I love him, in the cinema there were 4 families there, and that's all
@film fan I wanted to cry from shame, MODOK was one of the most entimidating villains, he was cruel, smart and presumtuous, not, whatever they made in that fucking movie
This is why Endgame is a like a miracle film for the MCU. They broke all the kiddie comic book rules, and actually allowed for character arcs to reach their organic resolution. This doesn't happen because in comic books and comic book films there are usually no real consequences that might force the story to progress and prevent you from repeating it over and over.
All that hype from Loki on how Kang was even scarier than Thano who was supposed to be the worst of the worst of his variants.....dies in first movie...without a single hero being killed....they ruined his entire HYPE
The problem is thus far Kang has not been explained. At all. Sure, he's some threat. He is multiversal. Ok. What is his motivation? What are his means to accomplish his goals? What has he been doing that will move him toward that goal? The character is just a COMPLETE black box at this point. We know nothing. He's trapped in the quantum realm, and Janet saw "he's bad!" by touching his ship, and the literal post credit part is like "And there's a lot of him" , but we have had nothing shown, explained, described, and thus he's a fucking unwatchable terrible character at this point. It might change. But I kind of get the feeling they will NEVER explain it. They will just be like "kang bad yo, a threat, very powerful. Wooooooooo" as if that is gonna fly.
@@ELIJAHNUBOYDTo be fair, that's not really "doing homework" it's watching tv. The entire Loki series is as long as like two MCU movies, you could binge it in an afternoon. That aside, if you wanted to do actual homework it would take just a few minutes, just ask Google "Hey what's up with Kang in the Marvel movies?" and there will be someone who will drop a five sentence synopsis of his role in Loki (he's in like twenty minutes at the end of the series) and it'll take you five minutes to know all there is to know. Let's be real here, Marvel isn't goddamn Shakespeare, the characters are very basic and they wear their entire character traits on their sleeve. If you watched Quantumania it shoves straight into your face that Kang is a multiverse spanning conqueror and that there's an entire society of Kangs that exiled the conquering one, or at least one of the conquering ones.
I think more comic book movies should be animated. If the majority of your effects can be real, make them real so it FEELS REAL. If the majority of your effects are animated, make the whole movie animated so it all blends together and doesn’t look fake. Into the Spiderverse is a great example of what comic book movies can and should be. I can only imagine tmnt or daredevil movie being in the same style. That would be awesome!
The only problem is that the MCU actors for the most part are pretty bad at voiceover. Look at What If season 1 and you’ll find veeery wooden performances.
It's something DC excelled at for so many years, their justice league or Batman adaptations in shows and cartoon movies were fantastic, marvel had earth's mightiest heroes but it got cancelled simply because they opted to continue their crappier spinoff since it ties into the mcu somewhat
I can only imagine what a creative studio would really be able to do with Daredevil. Just imagine a mostly red and black movie where visuals are shown only when sounds are heard. Voices of characters are what makes them look different on screen and fight scenes are shown with the screams of his foes. They could finally show absolutely everything around him on a night filled with rain drops. God, I shouldn't have thought too much about a mere idea this good to become true.
@@boldone66 Your mere idea is a great foundation for an interesting and unique visual style - the fact that you can come up with it WHILE THEY DON'T says everything about their lack of creativity. You have shown more creativity in 3 sentences than Marvel/Disney has in years when it comes to visual style. Bravo.
Yo you explained this perfectly. The constant “jokiness” and sarcasm in recent shows + films every 35 seconds is so hard to sit through too, talking a pack of nonsense. I really miss when superhero movies had a more serious tone. Or at the very least balanced tone. However I was pretty young when I was last excited for them. Maybe a solid 5 year break is warranted + bringing the grit back.
I recently watched Man of Steel and it was a nice change of tone compared to marvel superhero movies. I hope DC continues with their Dark and gritty because I liked it. I need to watch Batman v Superman and Justice League next
At what point does Kevin Feige get criticised for his role in this? He seems to get a free pass due to the success of the Infinity Saga, but the last 3 years of MCU movies and content have been an absolute disaster. I’m starting to think he was being carried by RDJ, Chris Evans, Jon Favreau and the Russos.
I imagine making executive decisions have given him even less direct creative control over individual movies and scripts, seems like he's spread too thin
The only movies I watched in phase 4 was Spiderman no way home and Doctor Strange multiverse of madness and for the series was Moon knight, then after that I just stopped watching anything Marvel releases. The best choice I ever made 😂
I think Kang being much more intimidating if they place a bigger emphasis where he was exiled by the other Kang and made him look much more powerful than "i have big army, they go pew pew." It could've made the other kang so much more threatening
No shade on Kang. The best scene in the movie was the quiet moment when Kang is resting with Janet and he promises her he'll get her back to her family. No CGI. No jokes. Just a God turned humble and human. But then they remembered the target audience is 13 year old boys with ADHD, and we got the rest of the movie.
The fact that Cassie Lang went from an adorable, sweet and likable little girl to an obnoxious, know-it-all political activist just made me smh. This is NOT how I envision her to be.
In fairness, she was left alone for 5 years in a post apocalyptic world. That innocent little girl was evidently forced to adapt and grow up in a hostile, empty world. Not at all saying that _this_ was the right direction for her character, just acknowledging the fact that Cassie should realistically be far different than the spunky little girl we loved. But if the movie doubled down on THAT…picture an emotionally cut off, edgier Cassie. One who struggles to feel anything at ALL, because of what Thanos stole from her. she probably wouldn’t end up like Clint because she was only a child…however, I imagine she’d have some intense abandonment issues, and that would largely impact her and Scott’s relationship. You could fill a whole movie with this conflict…no Kang CGI-fest needed.
@@Luke_SkywaIker that's the point you have subtlety and a VALID plot point. They didn't bother delving into how that affected her outlook, that blip back had to be disastrous. The film had zero real world context, which was the biggest problem.
@@Luke_SkywaIker dude even in end game when Scott returned to her she was happy to see him and broke down crying while hugging him unlike the version from Ant-man 3 where she straight up disrespects her father multiple times (which btw is also not a good thing to teach kids that are watching the movie)
jonathan majors really carried the whole film. Unfortunate about the plot writing but the small gestures and his facial expressions were soo captivating considering how he has to play numerous Kangs with different personalities as well
It is honestly heartbreaking watching Thor undo 10 years of being Thor. He's the only one of the big three still around and this is the direction his character has turned into. It sucks. He's the last one who can honor what the 3 of them were able to accomplish but he's getting his legacy totally butchered. He is still alive, he has the weight of Iron man and Captain America on his shoulders. He's the last one. Do you know the care and responsibility that has to go with that? But nope, fuck all that.
Speaking of overly relying on cgi, I hate when Scott, Hope, and Cassie take off their helmets (which is a lot) that they just disappear. It’s not part of the suit like it was before
@@paraonengatai5968yeah that's the problem, "nanotech" is just magical bs, takes people out of the movie. There's limits to people's suspension of belief. If nanotech can hide a helmet and or metal suit in your pocket, they should just walk around with a suitcase that carries several Tanks and a 50ft spaceship everywhere they go, not like it takes up any room.
@@Squiffel i'm stealing your comment from now on, i agree to the last word. I wish nanotech bs would just disappear, give me Iron Man 1 metal suit that has to be built, has to be worn, and breaks down in realistic ways on fights.
@@Squiffel isn’t this an entire fictional universe based on comic books? if so, why are you trying to bring logic into fictional movies based on comic books that are meant to bring people enjoyment?
If they started to shift the tone of every project to be more serious making the character development and writing a bigger priority while connecting every story with the rise of Kane in someway I think Disney would have a chance at winning audiences back over. Also, they need to be more selective with choosing which directors get to shoot these movies / shows or else we get another phase 4 mess lol
What ruined it was they forced the connection. Each project should work as a standalone if that’s what you cared about. But if you watched them all you got more insight.
The scary fact is there are still MCU die-hards out there who go to the latest MCU release and lap it up and stay for the post credits scenes to speculate on what it means and salivate over the future movies. It is not just the movies but an identity. Just like die hard Survivor fans are eagerly waiting for Season 44 to begin this week long after the show ceased being a water cooler discussion show.
I’m a DC fan and I thought qantumania was genuinely a good movie so ppl just don’t know what they where talking about like he literally talks about Modoc and doesn’t even really know or cares how he looks smh
I think huge problems that people don’t want to talk about are that Stan Lee died and wasn’t involved and Disney became way more involved. Disney couldn’t care less about the quality of the product they’re releasing anymore. They just care about generating mass amounts of revenue by pumping out as much product as possible, hence phase four having more content in a shorter period of time than the first three phases combined. To me, Disney has WAY too many other balls up in the air to dedicate the proper time, focus, and budget to the MCU so now it’s cheap laughs, poor character development, and mass production.
the day Boseman died, I asked myself how they could continue the answer was, they shouldn't have Endgame was a perfect finale, a celebration of what's good about Marvel and Spider-Man was a perfect epilogue, a celebration of its greatest character
This is what I’ve been thinking the past week. Make Endgame the finale, far from home the epilogue, and no way home for the fans (which is what the movie was for anyway). Then end the MCU. The only reason they’re continuing the MCU (which is an obvious reason), is how successful it is. If the MCU failed they probably would’ve ended it years ago.
Endgame really is the most overrated MCU film out there. Just an utter mess of a film that marked the start of a long assembly line of terrible movies.
I was reading about an interview with the main writer, and apparently, he wanted to spin Kang basically getting defeated three times already or not being that much of a threat to an attempt to "make him human". that reminded me of the excuses I used to do in my writing at fourteen for glaring plot or character development mistakes, saying "no you don't get it, it's supposed to be like this. is symbolic. the character here gets weak for a super convoluted reason which makes sense only in my head". the difference here is that guy is a professional, and me just a kid vomiting stuff on a word file.
To be fair, his reasoning is sound. It's with that logic that MHA's Shigaraki Tomura and his League were beloved by the fans, since they had to take a bunch of Ls before finally becoming Japan's biggest threat -let's ignore how MHA is more or less having the same issues as the MCU right now 'kay?- It's a tired thing to say, but I guess it all comes down to exectution
@@ride-playerbb2818 main villains need to be seen as a threat to work, not as lovable losers, unless you want them to turn into the ally of the protagonists. And they had to be redeemable to do so. However, at this point, Kang has killed an uncountable number of people to be redeemed, and his reasoning is less humane than Thanos', while his presentation has been underwhelming. Like at this point the movies and series had made Kang seem like a coward who sucker punches less developed dimensions to capture out of rivalry or a supposed sense of superiority towards the other versions of himself. He is on the same level of Ronan the Accuser basically. He is a minor villain whose only ace in his sleeve is his knowledge on the multiverse and technology.
@@MitridatedCarbon Personally, this makes me wish they went with the whole Kang-Ultron War the comics had. It really showed how powerful and overreaching both of them (mostly Kang) can be and also includes the multiverse. I also like irredeemable and overpowered villains fighting each other.
@@ride-playerbb2818 The problem is that they picked one of the most powerful Avengers' enemies to weaken. The motherfucker is a time travelling conqueror, watching him get beat up by the dude whose powers are "I get kinda big or pretty small" doesn't just humanize him, it makes the idea of him being a threat to anyone laughable. Thor alone has the power to defeat every Kang we saw in that post credit scene, given that they're so easily defeated by dudes without god slaying weapons.
@@ride-playerbb2818 bruh, why ignore how unsatisfactory BNHA has become? You're hinging your entire argument on a fallacy at that point. You don't humanize villains and still make them feel like a legitimate threat by making them lose. You humanize them by having their motivations relatable and make sense. Kang at this point not only feels weak, but his motivations are contrived at best and stupid at worst.
I've only watched No Way Home after Endgame. Unfortunately, i think Endgame was the peak. I really don't see how they top it, so i haven't bothered watching anything that came after besides Spider-man.
@@yourehereforthatarentyou They say in the film. They weren’t trying to go to the QR, just send signals like a telescope. But MODOK intercepted the signal and brought them down
They should’ve had a break after The Infinity Saga. Well technically if you count no movies in 2020, but they’re abusing their VFX team with crunch time with all these movies and TV shows being pumped out at the same time
my biggest gripe with the movie is they barely did anything with hope. she had her character moments with janet but they were never concluded. other than that, she was just in some action scenes.
I'd be willing to remain optimistic. Another comment I've read points out that this fourth phase has emerged during a lot of corporate changes at Disney, with Chapek pushing their content to the newly launched streaming service right as the world went into pandemic lockdown. Now that streaming competition has taken away that lustre from Disney+, and Bob Iger is back in the driver seat, the changes to their productions should be palpable. I think the slowdown in title rollout will help to not only improve their graphics, but also won't drag them through pointless rewrites and edits that make these shows and films unwatchable. Hiring directors like Gunn, Coogler, Shakman, and Herron shows to me that they trust their artistic direction and creativity, which has paid off in terms of audience reception. I have my fingers crossed that they won't go the same route as Warner Brothers and HBO Max with their slash and burn tactics to try and get their franchises back into profitable margins. I think they were lighting the candle at both ends by pumping tv series to the platform while rushing to return films to the theatres, which stretched their production teams too thin and abused their talents in unforgivable ways. I would much rather wait longer to see the films they have in the pipeline than to have routine releases of MCU titles every 4 to 6 months, knowing that they have some time to breathe and really focus on the storytelling, rather than overwhelming the viewers with over-the-top CGI and lackluster dialogue. Given some space, there's a lot of material to work with as they move into the next phase with new actors, in ways that are particularly sensitive to the films that came before it.
I think you should mention that Wasp did literally NOTHING until the very end felt like such a waste of the character. Wouldn’t it have been so interesting if Cassie and Hope didn’t get along? That would introduce a conflict for Scott to resolve as he wants his family to stay together and trust each other. It could’ve led to some funny moments as he tries to get his family to act like the avengers and they are so annoyed by him
But if you actually read comics The first Time The heroes have to fight Kang the Conqueror the wasp was the one who beat him. Granted it was a different scenario but same result.
Minus the treatment of Kingpin towards the end, I thought Hawkeye was a good show. Kate Bishop was a character who actually had flaws and had to develop. And, even in the end, it wasn't like she was a fully developed superhero. I honestly didn't mind Ms. Marvel, either.
@@cubist12 How did Moon Knight take a back seat? I thought his internal conflict was the center of the show's narrative and quite compelling. The show was a little messy in its construction, but that seemed to me kinda intentional, to go along with the character's mental state.
Something you didn’t mention is that nothing actually happens in the movie if you think about it. No one dies, no character arcs, the movie pretty much ends the same way it started.
@@sonicinfinity1871he was talking about Ant man quntomania. Why are u overreacting? No one said anything harsh about Spiderman no way home. Good stuff has always been praised by all.
6:13 "It became a chore" OMG yes! Like I could tolerate the occasional Thor 2 as long as I knew it was leading to something better but now? It's like quicksand. We're just slogging through never ending crap.
Another reason it is failing is that they thought the franchise will continue to be successful by itself because it was well established as successful at that point. They were so confident it will keep on going by itself and they removed Iron Man, captain America (and even Thor I would say) without having first established replacement characters that would have the same appeal to continue as leading figures. Let’s be honest, Iron man and cap heavily carried MCU up to this point and I was hoping that Doctor strange would be a viable next leading figure but he was given a secondary role even in his own movie. Honestly though, it is a good thing they removed them, imagine seeing Tony and cap in movies like love and thunder and in series like she hulk…
@@Melkac they only make bank on their opening day since people usually expect a marvel film to do well but when you look at the recent case of ant man, word has been spreading quickly on the decline of the mcu and how average this film was, it recorded extremely lower profits in its second week and continues to decline, just because they make some money it does not mean they can get complacent, ultimately there will be a seismic shift over time if they cannot rekindle some of the quality they were initially known for, people will get burnt out, complacency is the biggest killer
@@Melkac they only make bank on their opening day since people usually expect a marvel film to do well but when you look at the recent case of ant man, word has been spreading quickly on the decline of the mcu and how average this film was, it recorded extremely lower profits in its second week and continues to decline, just because they make some money it does not mean they can get complacent, ultimately there will be a seismic shift over time if they cannot rekindle some of the quality they were initially known for, people will get burnt out, complacency is the biggest killer
Phase 4 had two perfectly serviceable possible villains that it completely wasted or didn't use at all - Scarlet Witch and Mephisto. So much of the latter half of the first decade of the MCU was spent setting up how powerful and dangerous Wanda Maximoff is, and WANDAVISION set the stage for her to go on and become the ultimate "big bad" for the next era. Or at least, for her to be used in that way by Mephisto, who was manipulating things behind the scenes. HOUSE OF M was perfectly set up and then summarily dropped because the makers of MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS decided they had to shoot their wad sooner rather than later. The audience was invested in Wanda. Having her turn and then ultimately be redeemed (likely sacrificing herself) at the end of the larger arc would have been brilliant. Instead, she was shuffled off the stage hurriedly so Kang could step in and also thoroughly underwhelm. There's just no singular vision anymore. Feige and his masters at Disney don't know where they're going. So we, the audience, don't care anymore.
They're rushing things to get to Secret Wars. They know that nostalgia earned them a LOT of money in other films, so they're trying to get to Secret Wars quickly so that all these actors/actresses from a bunch of Marvel film franchises are still "young" enough to participate. Although, the current rumor is that Disney will extend the length into Phase 7.
Guardians 3 is the first time I’ve been excited for an MCU movie since Endgame and No Way Home. Loki was my favorite tv show, not because it was that good but because I wanted more of Loki himself. If it had been about any other character, I wouldn’t have cared. I can’t imagine why Marvel felt the need to pump out soooo many movies and shows in such a short time. In the earlier movies, my whole family would try and go see the newest one together. After Endgame, we tried to keep up but there was just. so. many. to. watch. I realized it wasn’t even fun anymore. After Endgame, I really enjoyed Shang-Chi, No Way Home and Loki. That’s pretty much it. It makes me so sad the MCU has become a laughing stock
We just need 1 thing. Consequences. Seriously. Ant Man and Wasp being able to just teleport out at the end is such a massive let down. They should have lost, Kang escaped and they're stuck there until future films. That could make the rest of the characters stronger and more refined for future films. Same with Scarlet Witch. She should have survived, teamed up with Kang, and have to face the white Vision.
@@joaquincasascortes624 _That is why Spiderman no way home was so good. It had consequences. A lot of them._ It didn't though. It has fake consequences but its real purpose was to reboot all the characters whose stories were complete so they could be retold again. That's why when Goblin stabbed Tobey Peter, he just laughed it off, because they screen tested it and the little kids didn't want Tobey to die, so they just said screw it. Not a fan of No Way Home, sorry.
@@rrando726 Fake consequences?? I'm fairly sure Aunt May dying wasn't a "fake consequence", same goes for Peter losing connection with literally EVERYONE. The little ammount of friends and familly members he had either cut ties with him or died. Peter also lost his connection to Stark's wealth, meaning he ended alone, in a small room.
@@rrando726 Peter also lost connection to the avengers and lost his opportunity to go to college. His life was ruined by the consequences of Doctor Steange's spell.
One thing that annoyed me with MODOK was the fact that Mechanised Organism could have referred to his design having metallic cybernetic implants for life support. That would have made the design look far more monstrous and grotesque. Also the fact that it is stated in Ant Man that shrinking down without a functioning suit messes with the user’s brain chemistry which could have allowed the writers to give MODOK a genius level intellect due to him shrinking to a subatomic level. It frustrates me that the writers didn’t try at all to make MODOK a serious villain. Calendar Man in DC was reimagined to me a terrifying criminal in The Long Halloween and I feel like MODOK’s premise could have been used effectively if the writers actually cared. On a different issue, Cassie’s recklessness is a character flaw that could have been interesting but the movie tries to recast the flaw as altruism to try and make her more heroic. I didn’t enjoy this film, not because it was the worst movie, but because it wasted a lot of potential and it is riddled with the exact same problems as Phase 4. But the worst thing by far about this movie was the fact that I was talking about this movie to a friend (we both saw the film independently) and he told me that it was the first time he left a Marvel Movie feeling nothing, and the same was true for me. When the movie finished, there was no continued buzz and excitement that Marvel used to give me and it’s a shame that that’s what this film represents, to me and my friend at least.
I think at first Phase 4 had a strong impact at first like WandaVision had to this mystery as to why is Vision back what’s with the sitcoms? Those questions is what got me into that show. Falcon and Winter Soldier didn’t had too many questions I was trying to look for but it was good to see how society was coping with the lack of Captain America and why it was a mistake to give the perfect soldier the formula and name him Captain America. Loki was showing how he was understanding that he had to take some responsibility and accountability. Dr Strange I started to see some of the writing being lackluster. No way Home is probably the only film I watched that I enjoyed. I think She-Hulk was the final nail in the coffin where that I basically am sick of the MCU. I literally watched it for Daredevil. MCU needs help
She-Hulk sucks. That character doesn’t translate to bigger screen and needs to stay in comic book pages. Kamala is the same way. So is Cassie. These are low tier characters that bring nothing to the table other than cringey annoyances.
@@jayw3512 Namor was dope though. In my opinion. I think Namor is one of the only good things we have gotten since Endgame. I really look forward to seeing Namor do something in the context of an Avengers film.
@@ericarezzo6675 i laughed so hard at Namor, i couldn't take him seriously at all. really disappointed with wakanda forever. i thought the movie was bad and riri didn't do it for me either. oh plus the cgi was also bad (imo)
That’s not Loki tho, mostly all of his comics he’s mischievous and fucks w your mind. they never done Loki right by comic standards in any mcu film he’s in. He’ll just have a few moments where he fools Thor thinking he’s one place and he’s really not there. He rarely ever uses that during fight scenes. But I watched like 4 episodes of Loki and stopped bc after wandavision and start of Loki I really was wasting my time, after they showed infinity stones meant nothing just kind of felt like they were saying none of the previous 3 phases matter, which is exactly what happened, all predecessors of the new characters are shown to be weak, look stupid, and shown up by someone who just got there powers 20 min before. There’s no story going on just political and thinking of what the public wants and not the fans. Just personal opinion don’t be upset bc I don’t care
I honestly enjoyed (for the most part) WandaVision, Loki and Captain America and the Winter Soldier. Oh, and Moon Knight was quite good in my opinion. But yeah, they really "Sequel Trilogied" Phase 4. Nothing feels connected and it seems like no one has any idea what direction they want to take anything.
The only good part* I mean... How to do underutilize Paul Rudd? Like, you have Paul Rudd in your movie - how do you manage to fuck it up with that starting point??
Idk man, but Jonathan Majors overly dramatic delivered Kang's stupid and bad lines is just funny. I'm not blaming him for this, but the script it's just bad that I can't take this character as the apparent the big bad of this franchise seriously
I think Kevin Feige said that Marvel intends on cutting back on MCU content in the future to avoid the oversaturation that was Phase Four. That solves one problem but there's still *many* more they need to fix! I want to still feel excited about the MCU but I just can't right now. I missed most of Phase Four but I don't feel like I missed much when it comes to the overall story.
You’ll never enjoy the MCU like when you watched phase 1. Night as well stop watching and hoping for something better. For a simple reason: you can’t have bigger stakes than Endgame, beating the most powerful threat in the universe, and because it will never be fresh again. You’ll never have a novel experience with MCU. It will always be an attempt to recreate the feeling of phase 1. I stopped watching after Endgame and by no means feel like I missed anything at all.
i genuinely think wandavision was one of the best things in phase 4/out of the shows. falcon and the winter soldier was interesting, but had a big post-mortem vibe (obvi) and it made it hard to connect at all. i liked loki, but the series itself wasn’t great. didn’t even watch america’s show, and i watched she-hulk to stay updated, not because i liked it. i think you said it perfectly ‘it’s more like homework than general enjoyment’
Yeah, Wandavision had me really excited. I loved that they did something completely new with it and I liked the perfomances. The only downside was the stupid Boner joke and all that Mephisto teasing without it going anywhere. The few shows after Wandavision were kinda okay, but at some point, everything just turned boring. Idk when that point was reached. I remember enjoying the Hawkeye series and Moon Knight (tho I did wonder how tf Moon Knight would tie into the rest in the future), but then...nothing. I hated Dr. Strange 2 for what they did to Wanda. I was annoyed at Thor 4 because they just wasted the God butcher (and Bale) and the tone and humor were awful. Black Panther 2 was boring as hell and so was the villain. I can't even remember what shows we got. I liked Ms. Marvel, but it just didn't feel like it belonged to the MCU und it doesn't fit in there. She Hulk was an abomination (pun intended). I lost interest in the MCU and I might watch the occasional movie on Disney+ but I won't waste my money in the cinema anymore (maybe for Deadpool 3, but is that movie really part of the MCU now? Idk).
Yeah Wandavision was great, and then they made Wanda a cartoon villain and Vision has yet to show up in any other content. They wasted the momentum they built.
I hate that when Scott tries to talk to HIS daughter about being arrested and trying to stop her getting in trouble an he's just bullied into feeling bad by every female in the scene
That’s exactly what I was thinking. They were acting as if he didn’t have a right to be concerned about his daughter going to jail. Everyone just tried to act like that was normal.
These reviews are the ones that convince me to wait for the movie to come to Disney +. Honestly it has worked pretty well for me with these last movies.
My biggest gripe with phase 4 is how Loki had his own series, where they could of really shown how creative and twisted his powers can be... yet had the entire season set in a location that pretty nerfed his entire power set 🙄😒
The fact that blows my mind is that Phase 4 had more hours of content than the first three phases combined. And yet the first three phases gave us the amazing Infinity Saga, but Phase 4, with more time, has given us little.
THEY TOOK 10 YEARS TO COMPLETE ONE STORYLINE PROPERLY..... THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE!! IN THAT WAY THE PLOT CAN BE CONNECTED, AND MOVIES WILL BE ENJOYABLE TO WATCH RATHER THAN IT FEELING LIKE A HOMEWORK TO WATCH
Technically, I think it's because it also didn't need to be directly connected as well. What happens in each movie isn't largely important other than Avengers and Infinity War. Heroes are largely simple, and the point comes across easy enough. In Avengers, it was about the team. In Infinity War, it was about Thanos. Maybe it helps having a lot of experience with comics, but it's not like you're coming into a complex comic run where you have to read every issue. I don't really worry about characters' motivations between series. Overall, to say you don't need to watch every entry.
I think the MCU was fun when they'd tease other characters, like having someone say 'theres a hero who can climb walls' in Antman. The stakes can never be high again because other heroes can just step in and help.
Guilty of watching No way home due to nostalgia. Seeing andrew Garfield again as spider man again was great. Especially since he finally got his closure regarding his lose with Gwen in the movie.
Why are you guilty? It was a very entertaining movie. No need to be tribal and hate things just cause pages like this (and there’s 100’s of them) which capitalize on negative content cause it gets more views. Instead Focus on liking what you like. And if something sucks then say it cause YOU think it sucks.
@@mclarendrive there is nothing wrong for wanting to see something cuz of nostalgia. They call no way home a fan service movie. And the internet makes you think that's bad.
@@PokeBeardTCG definitely does hate when people bash a movie constantly for something thats not even catered towards them. it’s literally targeted for kids and people complain like it was made just for them and it makes zero sense .
Such a shame about Cassie, her character compared to the other movies literally feels like they started from scratch just based off of what the new actress looked like
@@PokeBeardTCG She's in Endgame and that version (lightyears better despite being in one scene) is nothing like the garbage we got in this shitshow of a movie.
@@thetruedarkener that one scene isn't enough. You're full of shit. You just don't like this new acress. Compare their credits and the new Cassie has done bigger and better projects. I had no complaints about Cassie.
“Kill off it’s main character.” Bro, Ant-man didn’t even feel like the main character. He felt like Dr.Strange did in the Multiverse of Madness movie, just a side character in their own movie
Every Marvel Movie - Some guy gets into a wacky situation and gets super powers - Superhero saves the day, gets famous. - Superhero did bad and has a sad moment where he reflects on his mistake - He comes back in the end to defeat the bad guy - The end
I liked it but that doesn't mean it was a great movie. It didn't disappoint me because I had no expectations. But then it gave me Kang. On the contrary I hated Doctor Strange MoM because I had so many expectations from it I thought Quantumania was a classic Marvel outing, but it was the perfect example of when people say "Marvel is fast food" I hate that sentence and I disagree, but it was true for Ant Man, this movie had so many classic tropes and nothing wow'd me. But it wasn't terrible either
Kang vs Rebels: Insta kills them Kang vs Protagonists: Knockback effect Wanda vs Random People: Insta kills them Wanda vs Main Characters: Dialogue over killing
I actually really enjoyed Moon Knight, but because it probably had the LEAST to do with driving the phase forward than any other piece of Marvel media post Endgame. Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke are amazing talent, and I honestly completely forgot it was a Marvel product. It was an interesting show, it took the subject of DID very seriously which is refreshing to see in media, and I could easily enjoy it without worrying about how they would ham-fist the story into the MCU. But they will ham-fist it into the universe, and I'm not sure even Oscar can make that transition painless.
@@SuperRobertoClementeThey could have just had the heroes pass the torch to a whole new generation of heroes and the "Endgame" wouldn't lose its meaning. The problem is they're trying to keep all the plates spinning when the show's already over.
Marvel Multiverse doesn't even need Kang to destroy the Universe, Marvel Studios is doing a great job all by itself. The Loki series introduced us to the complexities of the multiverse, I think a 130min movie probably did this complex story injustice - DC's Justice League Snydercut was 4 hour saga but managed to give a real feel of the magnitude was happening.. This was too much crammed into too little time.
Here's to putting our hopes in James Gunn's DCU. Maybe the DCU could be that spark of hope the comic book movie genre needs... HUGE maybe, but still... Maybe
At this stage I feel like we really need a break from these multiverses :< The whole point of making a special crossover is that it’s special. I just want decent stand-alone movies like The Batman, or Iron Man.
Praying it can. I think one good thing is we’ve got stuff like the batman sequels and spiderverse so the genre is never gonna completely die or anything ( hoping they’re good). But in terms of cinematic universes and larger audience opinions yeah absolutely
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I feel like they put more focus on Wanda then kang wadavision was the first thing in fase four and I know that was because of covid Wanda was like the queen of zombies in what if and she was the villain in multiverse of madness and the kang we see in the movie isn't even the main kang we see him in a post credit scene
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In regard to the idea of Antman's death, even MattPatt from Film Theory thought it was a good idea. Linking his death to the motivation of uniting heroes against Kang.
Ant man is kind of the 9 to 5 super hero. you couldn't make the argument that if he fails then the polices or some other normal agency could just fix the problem. When he not on the job he just doing normal stuff, keeping out of prison being a dad you know normal thing. When its in a bigger move he dose a good job of showing what a real normal person is going to be like. But the wrong pick for Kang, Kang kind of needed a heavy hitter that we normal would assume would win... only to loose no contest really sell how dangers he is by letting him win right at the start no problem.
Should have been multivers of madness, Kang vs multiple Dr.strange and a not badly written scarlet witch. And Kang wipes the floor with then, no contests., the got slapped and had no chance whats so ever. Seven million realities and in one they last a few second longer kind of beat down. The only reason the heros make it though is Kang has more important goals then confirming the kill against something that isn't a threat on any level.
They overly rely on the CGI department and yet won't even pay that department a tenth of what it's actually worth
They need to incorporate more practical effects and sets. My favorite scenes from phase 4 have been the more grounded & emotional moments. Like NWH’s Green goblin vs. Spider man fights. Another example are the flashback sequences from Shang Chi.
Also just the writing for the most part sucks. I keep seeing hints of a compelling story buried underneath the lack of nuance, awful jokes and bad dialogue. The over reliance on generic and simple story devices is killing these movies.
Plus overall the multiverse plot thread is messy. That stuff was poorly planned. unfortunately. even the movies from this phase not related to the multiverse sucked. They should have at least excelled in those films.
And I don’t want anymore tv shows unless they’re given a minimum of 10 episodes + well thought out.
There’s too much sub par or plainly bad content being thrown at the audience.
@@janellelives5158 The Iron Man suit never looked better than its original outing. Practical will usually out do CGI for humanoid effects.
Its not the cgi, its the stupid jumbo green screen they use that makes everything look like ass.
As a CG artist , thanks for saying this!!!
@Shine K I got my bachelor's in computer animation.
“This is a Marvel problem. This is an MCU problem…”
It goes beyond that, this is a Disney problem. Look at how they’re handling Star Wars, or hell, look how they handled Pirates of the Caribbean before the Johnny Depp Amber Heard thing
Star Wars is great right now imo. Andor and Mando are amazing. And I’m happy they haven’t rushed out another film after rise of skywalker yet.
Yup, things were obvious with Disney cancelling Earth's Mightiest Heroes, an insanely popular Marvel animated series people considered on par with Justice League in favor of Avengers Assemble, a cheap, lazy cash grab used to prop up the MCU and sell cheap action figures.
@@OogaBoooga I mean, I agree with the quality of those two shows; however, they're 2 good things in the middle of a lot of meaningless ranging from bad to average content. This is something Disney is doing with all its properties. For example, they are making a prequel movie of The Lion King about Mufasa... why? It is so unnecessary, it serves no purpose other than making money out of the nostalgia of people, and most likely it'll suffer the same problems as most of the Disney content has been presenting in the last 4 years.
Even in the animation department, Disney is failing. Can't even compete with DreamWorks anymore.
@The Cambot Im sorry, but I can’t take anyone serious who says sjw or woke un ironically. And the new season of the bad batch is pretty good, even tho i didn’t enjoy the first season. Plus tales of the Jedi, and Visions are pretty cool and unique projects
I love how you didn't even talk about Wasp who was basically a background character despite her name in the title. 😂
Sums it up really. Half way through the edit I clocked how little Wasp I was talking about. I think the film had the same issue.
@@movieoverload
The title of this P5 film is Ant-Man and the *Wasp* Quantumania and Marvel gave Evangeline Lilly's Hope NOTHING vital to do.
Way to go, Marvel.
thank u for pointing this out lol
Came into the comments to point this out, haha. One of the worst examples of *title characters* being COMPLETELY sidelined. Remove her from the film and nothing changes, besides catching a falling Antman. That's it.
She doesn't even speak in some of the trailers. Yet they are happy to advertise it as an example of how they are putting women in the spotlight.
Damn.
17 films/shows in less than 2 years…
I’ve heard of filler episodes…but never a filler phase.
I mean they are not filler but they are just so trash and soooo boring
@@So_CR_7that's what filler means
@@jimmy22334 no it doesn't filler means anything that doesnt contribute to the plot/ doesnt move the plot forward
I watched shang chi recently and easily the worst part was shang's friend feeling the need to be constantly quippy in a somewhat serious movie. Seriously there is nothing wrong with letting these movies get serious sometimes.
It's like after the Winter Soldier they forget how to be serious.
@@Phantom_Zone The ending of Infinity War was a well done serious moment but there was nothing like it after that
Eh. She definitely didn’t over do it and she wasn’t annoying either. She was pretty funny sometimes and even when it wasn’t funny, it didn’t really take away from the seriousness of the film.
Quantumania and Love and Thunder on the other hand…
@@JumbleBeeRescue No, she was pretty meh and forgettable, and then they tried to shoehorn a love interest at the end of the movie for some reason. If they took her out of the movie it would still be just as good if not better
The Eternals was serious, and highly underrated imo
I agree with you about Micheal Pena's absence from Quantumania. Luis was one of the best parts in the Ant-Man franchise and the fact that Marvel just straight up kicked him out is absolutely *criminal.*
Ik dude.
He was stupid fine!
the whole crew was dogged. luis, T.I. and polka dot man. they were needed in this but i don’t know how it would’ve worked considering most of the film was set in the quantum realm
He IS the best part
Crime against humanity to rob us off Michael Pena.
I think the biggest flaw was releasing too many TV shows too fast.
They're beginning to look like the comics. Too much shit happening at the same time. Also since theres too much then quality is down.
Marvel has come out and said they will cool it with that
They all suck
@kurogane2x Too many shit happened at the same time and also Too many B and C grade superheroes that needed to introduced
The problem is lack of good scripts.
And hiring woke people
Oversaturation is definitely a huge factor. But even if they only averaged 2-3 films a year like their earlier phases, I still think they'd really struggle due to the general repetitiveness of everything. At the end of the day Kang is just Thanos 2.0, and the phases are setting up for another big villain takedown like the last one. There's nothing really "new" about that.
I'm sure most of us say it, but I miss the old phases. It was so fun watching things like the first Avengers meeting or the Civil War happening. Now all the films and shows just feel grey.
100% same threat same result
@@henzoko5946 except on the box offices probably
There have been similar issues all over film these days. The feelings of discovery and wonder are gone from most movies, and it just seems like everyone's rehashing the same territory these days.
@@EmptyZoo393That's not actually the problem, the problem is that you people _feel
_ like the sense of discovery and wonder are gone. I had experienced every variation of every story that could ever be told by the time I was sixteen years old. I did my school work within minutes of it being handed to me and then spent every class reading books I liked, on t of books that were assigned by my literature teachers, and then I went home and binge watched as much tv as possible before doing the same thing the next day. Comics, plays, novels, sitcoms, dramas, films, I watched and read everything and because of that I saw the same stories rehashed thousands of times over. The point I'm building to is that despite the fact that I'm over a decade out of school I can still enjoy a film despite it not telling a 100% original story, we've been out of original stories for generations. If a Pop-culture black hole like me can enjoy movies, all of the regular viewing public who have only ever read three books and haven't managed to hit four digits in their number of movies watched can stop pretending that they're above it all and have seen all there is to see.
I've been watching movies just to shit on them through the widest smile I can muster for most of my life. If someone thinks movies are dead because no fun can be wrung from them they're just lying and being purposefully obtuse.
Honestly if they actually just rehashed an old movie like Ironman 1 one to one it would probably outperform all the new movies in phase 4
cassie acting like "fuck you dad im the main character and im the one thats right" type of attitude did it for me. even ant man told her "did you save the universe? did you fight thanos? no? i did" and they still shoved her into the front
M she u
That's what pisses me off about the MCU they push these female characters to the front and they don't earn it at all. That's why I hate Thor love and thunder. In the comics Lady Thor earned that shit, she was awesome, and to see the movies throw that character away and just go bland as fuck was so disappointing.
@@brandon17760 studio releases overhyped and shilled female character
fans complain about female character
studio accuses fans of sexism
repeat
not to mention the actress playing her didn't do a very good job
@@adrinka not at all. like i get it they trying to show stature.. become a hero.. (she actually is a hero in marvel comics..) but like perfect example.. they could do it on a seperate thing and not a fucking ant man movie
Why won’t Janet tell anyone about Kang?
My expectation: She actually helped insert Kang as the ruler of the Quantum Realm in the hopes of returning home before realising he intends to destroy earth.
The actual reason: “I helped him get his super suit back”
LOL THAT WAS MY EXACT THOUGHTS IN THE THEATER
Bro even the general audience can come up with a better plotline lmao
Legit, her avoiding to tell her family what she did is one of the most INFURIATING PARTS OF THE MOVIE. It felt like nails on a chalkboard because GOD! I cannot help but think that they did all of this just for a build up that wasn't even worth it. I really thought "is that really it????" And I just rolled my eyes.
that dosnt justify how bad the movie was
@@tbwn4L... they said it as a criticism. Where do you see them justify the movie being bad
The saddest part of Ant-Man and the Wasp quantumania is that one of the two characters in the title was so forgettable that it didn't even make it into the segment about characters in this video. Wasp upset me so much because she basically just played the reverse role of the damsel in distress and spent the entire movie going "Where's Scott?"
I love Hope so much why would they do that to her
So a common complaint prior is that the female characters are too powerful and now it is they are not powerful enough.
I'm not saying you said anything bad, I'm just struggling to wonder why can't these writers find a good middle ground?
@@DirtySteve426it’s because instead of thinking about the woman characters like normal people like the male ones, they think of them as different and needing special skills to be “different”
If the stupid writers just made good characters for the sake of it instead of specifically choosing traits based on gender it would be so much better
@B H its different when the character isnt shoehorned in and masters of their craft just because ie female thor and she hulk. Wasp had a great backstory and was developed. Hell piper was believable as iron woman. But you give she hulk full control over her hulk powers over the course of a few episodes when bruce had to fight to control himself for years before achieving some peace and control. And then jane having the same if not more skill with mjolnir than thor, thor the guy that had hundreds or thousands years to train to become who he was.
Kang forgetting he has powers to stop the Antman team was laughable
I was done after Multiverse of Madness. We were lucky to enjoy the golden years since Iron man in 2008. It was Epic all the way to End Game.
Multiverse of sadness 😂 when i saw the star fish fight i was sleeping. The story has no hype but just some vivid layers of CGIs and cameos. I was done after watching that shit too. I wish they made a full movie from the What if.. episode about: where Dr. Strange tried to avoid his girlfriend's death so many times.. and the watcher didn't help to bring her back. That amazing episode alone is better than this real life movie.
Bruh only 1/3 of the movies up to endgame were good. Not including endgame. Sit tf down 😂😂😂😂
@@deadschooled said nobody but you
@Deadschooled I dont agree that most of them were bad, but 2/3rds of them were definitely nothing special.
@@caspermultiverse even Sam Rami couldn't save that movie holy sht. The woke ness and bad writing was so terrible
The brake down timeframe between Phase 1-3 vs Phase 4 is crazy. 17 films and shows in 2 years wow.
I don't understand why there is so much content... most of the tv shows don't even have enough story to justify a plot longer than the runtime of a movie, and the characters aren't even interesting. I think it's jsut becayse disney knows anything they churn out will make them millions regardless of its actual quality.
@@desireandfire Its the subscription model is causing this issue. A lot of identity politics vs actually story building, people pulled their 13 dollar a month subscription. Disney lost 2.4 million subscribers as of 2023 which could be a reason. One of the executive producer at Marvel who wanted to change the "X-Men" name to "The Mutants" just got fired.
@@desireandfire you kinda answer it yourself. its money
To be fair, I did notice that he left off Agents Of Shields from the Phase 2 list (and the inhumans show from whichever phase they came out in) and we don't know how many of the show heroes shall actually join the movies (the what if's were just for fun, the wolf one was said from the start to be a one off thing and heroes like Moon Knight might just stay in his own show).
Break*
I definitely agree that after Endgame, they probably should have taken at least a year break before continuing on with phase 4 and beyond. Even Far From Home ending Phase 3 kind of felt weird too tbh.
Edit: I realized they did take a year away once the pandemic hit so my mistake lol
they kind of did?
@@wyldness wdym?
@@maikidot pandemic happened, there was like little to no mcu content during 2020
@Genesis Yeah totally forgot about that lol sometimes brushes over my mind.
They did take a year break. They didn’t release anything in all of 2020
The dialogue killed this movie. I had no idea what Kang wanted for like an hour
Lucky you, cause i dont know what kang wants to this day
That’s because you don’t pay attention. People like you only enjoy a movie when things are made obvious to you. Sometimes a movie dialogue needs deeper analysis. My favorite movie of all time is called Chaos starring Wesley snipes. That movie has some of the best dialogue and bank heist iv ever seen in a movie. Yet people rate that movie poorly just because unless it’s super obvious to them they don’t want to dive deep and uncover things in the movie. A line in the movie that one of the bank robbers tell the detective after killing a hostage. He says “you can’t expect to keep hostages in check if you let a bad deed go unpunished, chaos has some order to it” that line was just brilliant
@@blak238I bet he didn’t read this because he got bored
@@blak238kind of hard to know when the movie is that boring
Secret Invasion: "Wait till you get a load of me."
Luis not being in the trailer for Quantumania was a big red flag for me. They could have had him recap Endgame.
Cassie was THE MOST OBNOXIOUS character I’ve ever seen. And every 15 year old girl being an omega genius really takes away from the people who really are geniuses… Tony, reed, Bruce, Shuri… if everyone is brilliant then it cheapens the Tony cave scene and all that stuff
"When everyone's super......no one will be"
The hulk powercreep but this is like mindcreep
She was just cancer 🤦🏾♀️🤡 most annoying character ever… “yeah you saved the entire universe and half of all sentient life in it but that wasn’t today so what have you done today? Bc I just got home from a ‘fiery but mostly peaceful’ protest which is worth more than anything you’ve ever accomplished” 🙄🤦🏾♀️
Shuri being smart was always stupid.
There are too many smart people on the MCU that make Tony look not that impressive, Shuri for example I mean Wakanda is more advanced than the rest of the world BUT feels like Shuri is the only smart there in the last Black Panther she was the only one working on recreating the plant and I was like "should not Wakanda have like a shit ton of scientists?" Now Cassie is smart? When the hell did this happen? HOW? The only super smart people going forward should be Peter, Hank, Bruce and Reed cause being super smart is actually the biggest threat of Kang and if everyone is super smart then Kang feels like meh as consequence
Coulda had Scott say “Luis is covering for me at the bookstore” and have a scene of him Trying to read Scott’s book, but going off script and summarizing the snap in his own way
Right at least a 2 minute side of him at Baskin-Robbins getting a shake or something.
Nice idea. I did find it odd that Scott was reading his own book at a book- what was it, a book signing/reading event? Do authors do that, then?
GOSH that would've been amazing
@@FunZies. yes authors have been known to do thay
I was really annoyed Luis wasn’t in the movie. He’s a great character. What I would’ve loved is at the end, Luis talking to Scott and telling Scott - ‘some guy came to the office asking about you, he mentioned something about The Avengers, he had a huge muscles, was wearing like a purple and green trench coat, he was reserved but menacing’. Then, the camera shows Lang’s face being terrified.
This skips over the biggest issue with Phase 4, they established that there are no stakes to any loss or victory by having a infinite multiverse
yeah same issue if there are multiple kangs. if he keeps getting defeated it will both be repetitive and kang as a villain can't be taken seriously. i really hope he doesn't end up looking the exact same with the same power set in every incarnation.
There is a stake to that bc yk ppl can’t just jump over to another universe when theirs gets fucked. I think the issue is ppl just 1 have trouble understanding the multiverse stories which I knew would happen when they announced the saga and 2 ppl will always compare these characters and stories to the originals and it will never be as good. Iron man cap OG hulk are the best characters and stories marvels ever made and are iconic for a reason.
@@colbycarmichael5138 no, there's no stakes. Kang says at the end of Loki he always ends up up the same spot. No matter what they do. That's why he doesn't care. He's knows even if the worst version of him takes over, it's temporary.
@@Squiffel I think you should look into kang and his origin more. That’s what makes him so hard to defeat. The avengers have to figure out how to return the timeline back and stop kang from infinitely recycling variants of himself. That’s what makes him OP, he who remains was just the last kang from the first war
@@colbycarmichael5138 It doesn't make him hard to defeat at all. He wins infinitely and he loses infinitely. That's what infinite variants means. It's all meaningless.
I knew after watching endgame that I should just let things end and not watch any other marvel movie. I'm glad I did. That ending was perfect, and I didn't want to watch the stories of my favorite characters be ruined.
Marvel had some really good “epilogue” content after Endgame though
As long as you watched Spider-Man…
@@willjackson5885 not worth it
Nah, you need to add Far From Home and No Way Home as the Epilogue to the MCU. Anything else is just "extra". I personally really enjoyed Shang-Chi and Eternals (yes, I didn't board the hate wagon with that one). WandaVision was interesting too until the last episode came.
@@zanfear Right, Loki was the real conclusion of the Infinity saga. The Avengers defeated Thanos at the cost of creating the multiverse
Michael Pena should have done the narration at the beginning while Scott is walking around, then it cuts to Luis reading Scotts book at that bookstore and then going "now let me tell you what really happened". Just then Scott walks in the bookstore with a WTF look on his face because Luis was just supposed to set up the event and wait for Scott. I would have laughed so hard.
That woulda been good 😄
Would've but it wasn't because aren't in charge. Good thing you are just a nobody crying on TH-cam and not an actual person who can enact change. Keep commenting fam!
This exactly what I thought all intro long. Why do you want to cut of most loved character in the series when you clearly have place for him???
@@TheAdrian229 think it's because he's a scientologist (and alleged SA allegations?)
This is amazing
Jonathan Majors deserves a better script with how good his performance was. Between this and wasting Bale as Gorr, I am really disappointed at Disney and Marvel.
Thank you. I'm enjoying these comments from others in the spirit of - Hey Kevin Feige, it's not just me, lot's of us are noticing!
There's Creed III
Absolutely, it’s so sad Bale was given such a bad role. Talented actor, piss bad writers
After seeing this film, it’s no wonder Michael Douglas mentioned he would only return for another MCU film if his character gets killed off. He’s probably wondering what’s the point of staying around if he’s barely going to do much
kang should have at least killed him....
I still think problems started in infinity saga and were very visible in endgame, but studio had inertia and loyalty, and only that helped them last for the whole phase4
MCU became too big for its own good and that's why it's crumbling with its own weight right now. After Endgame they should have paused for a few years to plan the next arc, complete the scripts and then start the production. But of course for money reasons they immediately rushed without even completed scripts, made lots of the last second changes which caused a huge drop of quality.
The scary thing is that there are still MCU die-hards out there who will go to the latest release and lap it up and speculate what the post credits scenes are all about and eagerly await the next movie. It's a way of life and an identity, like Harry Potter or Welcome Back Kotter. Other Survivor die-hard fans are looking forward to Survivor 44 long after the general population tuned out.
@@jimmyboydonald6578 you're weird for posting this twice with slightly different examples, and why is it scary?? Rhetorical question.
@@jimmyboydonald6578 it's not scary. Let people do whatever they want. Some people still enjoy these movies. They're not terrible either. They're bad in context of what Marvel is
Marvel movies were getting that hate already in Phase 1, but that's heightened now because they've been around for so long. I can guarantee you I wouldn't hear the end of how bad the new Thor was or how bad Age of Ultron was
@@jimmyboydonald6578 why scary lol your overthinking it it's not that deep
Glad you mentioned the over reliance of CGI because that has become a HUGE issue in phase four. The early MCU films look infinitely better then all of phase four and some of phase three because they used practical effects and filmed on location, making each film look and feel unique. The almost exclusive use of CGI has made everything look cheap and devoid of any character or feeling. It’s all just a grey, poorly animated mess. And I don’t fault the CGI artists and animators for this at all, they are doing all the can do. I blame marvel and Disney for underpaying, overworking, and exploiting them, having them animate an insane about of content in such a short amount of time because it’s the cheapest option for Disney
Real issue is writing and casting. Vast majority of audience are guys. Guys don’t want woke WNBA marvel nonsense full of boring girl boss tropes and white man bad garbage. Guys don’t want their heroes ridiculed or replaced with trash. Disney went for diversity in a major guy franchise hoping to grow larger audience. Instead they have pissed off those who used to watch and now won’t watch. Again, guys do not want WNBA Marvel.
The first Iron Man definitely looks better and more gritty than anything in phase 4 - maybe there's an element of the former being shot on film? Everything up until Thor: Ragnarok was shot on film (with Ragnarok and subsequent movies being shot digitally), and I think it shows.
@@rbu2136 stop it man. Using WNBA as a stand-in for your misogyny isn't cool. Women have always watched the MCU and you're speaking from a place of complete ignorance.
The VFX artists are given massive workloads with tight deadlines leading to crunch culture, lots of last minute reshoots and CG changes, but another big problem is many of their work-for-hire directors are not very experienced with visual effects and lack a clear vision. This is where vfx/action directors like James Cameron excel. Heck, he got his start in the industry as a VFX guy, so he understands the whole pipeline from beginning to end.
@@rbu2136 Correction, men in general are attacked by Marvel. Watch She Hulk, she doesnt specify which color the men have. She just attacks men in general, Im black and I was hurt by watching that show. The amount of times "men are bad, women are good" lines in there just hurts my soul.
What bugs me the most is that most of these latest films could use minor tweaks to make them better. This one required 2: delete MODOK and don't have Michelle retroactively know it all. If the story was just the ant family sucked into a different part of the quantum realm where there are beings and they all help Kang to later realize he's a villain, it could be almost the same movie bug way better.
Who’s “Michelle?” Her name is Janet.
@@sonicinfinity1871 Nope. That's Michelle Pfeiffer playing Michelle Pfeiffer :P
@@frankcastle3288 It's Janet, CinemaSins.
The MCU died with Endgame.
👍👍Endgame was mediocre. Infinity War was 10/10
@@chasehedges6775agreed infinity war was far more better than end game but that’s what usually happens and ending will almost never be satisfying also i’ll say GOTG3 i liked it far more than end game as well
@@chasehedges6775
Endgame had epic seens with the whole Avengers team attacking them together, so its nearly as good as Infinity War was.
I agree, that Marvel died in 2019 with Endgame and now they try to replace the old superheros with new booring meaningless female superheroes, so thats why most people stopped caring about MCU after Endgame.
The main problem that I see at the moment is that marvel absolutely cannot let go of characters, whether that be in death or bringing them in from other universes. Alongside this, there’s just no stakes any more in individual films, the endings of the last few films and series have just been dreadful
Yeah, it feels like the Core of the MCU is gone yet instead of mourning them, they are mocked. She-Hulk, the young Thors, the Iron-Man replacement in Wakanda Forever as well as the legacy of Cap would be enough on their own to stop me from enjoying the movies. It feels like neither the characters nor their actions matter, nothing makes sense, things happen just because the writers want them to happen and consequences are something that only exists when they them to.
I love that you compared watching modern Marvel to homework, because that's SO true. My dad and I have bonded over going to these movies together, watching the shows together, etc, but I think Shang Chi and Loki were the last things we actually enjoyed. We couldn't finish WandaVision, were heavily disappointed by MoM, and we've gotten to the point where we havent seen probably half of Phase 4. It isn't fun. It's just homework.
All the phase 4 projects become homework because now you CANT SKIP ANY PROJECT TO KEEP UP
That's one thing that's comics accurate at least 😂😂
@@Thomasmemoryscentral do you though? They dont seem to be connected in any way that really matters besides vaguely referencing the multiverse.
@@pyramidion5911 well I left the MCU following No Way Home and only saw Black Widow because my dad rented it for the family.
So yes, I skipped all of phase 4 and the tv shows during the 1st 3 phases
No lie WandaVision was actually pretty good
Could you imagine if Quantumania had Avatar-level special effects? Could you imagine if it were competing with Avatar: Way of Water for its CGI hype and buzz, and if it were a real contender (if not winner) at the Academy in that category? I think people would be talking about Quantumania differently. It still has tone and story and character problems, but Marvel knew going in to Quantumania that they were going to spend the whole film in the quantum realm--they should have known upfront to invest more heavily in VFX so that we don't get CG fatigue. Imagine the discourse on this film if people were gushing over its VFX creativity and how immersive and stunning the quantum realm is. Much as I loved Kang in this movie, this movie is going to be just too difficult to rewatch.
Fr tell me why this rich company is barely paying the cgi studios that essentially make up the entirety of the movie
“Do Marvel think that their audience is 4 years old”, well, way too many clapped for Waititi and called him a genius, you can’t really blame them.
Well the movies are made for kids…
@@DUGotd Didn’t use to be that way. It was child friendly, sure, but there were deeper themes and stories. There was soul in there, that’s what I can’t feel anymore.
@@alexman378 yes it did😭😭😭😭
@@DUGotd ah yes thats why its rated pg-13, definitely made for children
@@samflower4534 so all the pg 13 rating movies are for children ?
Quantumania was advertised as this huge turning point but it literally had a net zero plot that gained nothing and lost nothing that couldn’t have been covered in an episode or season of Loki instead
Phases 1-3:
Runtime: approx. 50 hrs
From: May 2, 2008 -to- July 2, 2019
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Phase 4:
Runtime: approx. 54 hrs
From: July 9, 2021 -to- November 11, 2022
…..WOW.
@@thepillowhead2453 I know that’s a lot
Warning wall of text incoming :)
This seems like a problem on paper, but honestly once you start interpreting the MCU in a way that got comic book fan interprets comics it quickly goes away.
What I mean by this is that there are... SO many comics. Such a vast array of content produced for a vast array of characters. Us comic book fans don't read everything that comes out, we read what interests us. I've always seen the MCU the same way. If you decide to view the MCU is something you need to see every individual piece of, that's you exhausting yourself. If you plan to stick with the franchise (and if you don't, that's fine) I promise you that you will be much better off cherry picking what interests you rather than watching everything marvel pumps out like homework. You will have a much more fulfilling experience. I don't really agree with the consensus of the video that you should feel compelled to watch every bit of scrap you're fed in case you miss anything. If you don't want to, don't. It's your time, your spend it.
I wasn't interested in Thor 2, or Black Widow, so? Didn't watch it. Didn't watch WandaVision or Loki or What If, and I'm not gonna watch Ironheart when it comes out this year. If something comes out with a character I like who I missed, I make the choice to go back and watch that.
This doesn't really fix the quality problem, but it does mean you can live your life. Just my two cents.
That's why everyone complaining.....I think marvel should release 1 movie and 1 disney plus series every year...then fans will love everything
@@Justin_Leahy the average casual viewer isn’t a comic reader tho…barely anyone knew who antman even was before the movies
Really they should make Kang the villain of each movie going forward, only to know that he is learning from each interaction and growing stronger. That would culminate into some badass villain.
Dude that'd be so cool!!
How he get whooped by ants tho? Seems weak as of now.
Nah, people are going to get Kang fatigue. Not a good idea.
He should pop in 3-4 more movies at most before his great rise as the major menace - and even then in those 3-4 movies he should be the one pulling the strings or making an appearance, not the main guy.
That would get old very quick and actually make the fatigue people are getting from the MCU even worse. It’s better to have a variety of villains for each individual hero to overcome and have him in the background learning every interaction and growing stronger that way. The Thanos build up worked great so they don’t need to fix what ain’t broke.
@@johnjoseph6874Man, I'll even take that "Bad guy is just an evil version of the hero with the exact same powers" trope Marvel always gets made fun of for, over just more Kang. I say that as someone who adored the Kang from the comics and really loved how multiple other characters we had met before turned out to be Kang from different points in time, it was great. The MCU Kang isn't getting any of that.
So agreed regarding Janet...I was legit pissed off by the third time...and there were like seven times...that she refused to explain anything. And most of them immediately got the heroes in worse trouble.
Classic horror movie crap were if the character explained from the beginning, everything would have been avoided. Ah, it is to protect you. BS
Man, before Endgame when there was a Marvel movie coming you could see a lot of people in the theater and lines of people waiting for the movie, I went to see Ant-Man because I heard there was Modok and I love him, in the cinema there were 4 families there, and that's all
Wait till Blade releases
@@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree
And watch how he got butchered or trashed by an obligatory power girl? Nah
I didn't even know this movie came out till yesterday. This and shazam.
@film fan stretch face modok
@film fan I wanted to cry from shame, MODOK was one of the most entimidating villains, he was cruel, smart and presumtuous, not, whatever they made in that fucking movie
"Kills a main character"
This is EXACTLY what I thought. Killing ANYONE wouldve made Kang as menacing as he needed to be.
This is why Endgame is a like a miracle film for the MCU. They broke all the kiddie comic book rules, and actually allowed for character arcs to reach their organic resolution.
This doesn't happen because in comic books and comic book films there are usually no real consequences that might force the story to progress and prevent you from repeating it over and over.
@@rrando726 They are afraid to take risks.
All that hype from Loki on how Kang was even scarier than Thano who was supposed to be the worst of the worst of his variants.....dies in first movie...without a single hero being killed....they ruined his entire HYPE
@@leftie7098 Exactly. MCU is in dieback mode.
When they try to recycle the same tropes and come up short. [ask Star Wars about it for more info]
No. It’s not worth it.
The problem is thus far Kang has not been explained. At all. Sure, he's some threat. He is multiversal. Ok. What is his motivation? What are his means to accomplish his goals? What has he been doing that will move him toward that goal? The character is just a COMPLETE black box at this point. We know nothing. He's trapped in the quantum realm, and Janet saw "he's bad!" by touching his ship, and the literal post credit part is like "And there's a lot of him" , but we have had nothing shown, explained, described, and thus he's a fucking unwatchable terrible character at this point. It might change. But I kind of get the feeling they will NEVER explain it. They will just be like "kang bad yo, a threat, very powerful. Wooooooooo" as if that is gonna fly.
watch loki and youll understand his motives clearly
@ericarezzo6675 its obvious if you watched loki
Thanos was the same prior to Infinity War...
@@ELIJAHNUBOYDTo be fair, that's not really "doing homework" it's watching tv. The entire Loki series is as long as like two MCU movies, you could binge it in an afternoon. That aside, if you wanted to do actual homework it would take just a few minutes, just ask Google "Hey what's up with Kang in the Marvel movies?" and there will be someone who will drop a five sentence synopsis of his role in Loki (he's in like twenty minutes at the end of the series) and it'll take you five minutes to know all there is to know.
Let's be real here, Marvel isn't goddamn Shakespeare, the characters are very basic and they wear their entire character traits on their sleeve. If you watched Quantumania it shoves straight into your face that Kang is a multiverse spanning conqueror and that there's an entire society of Kangs that exiled the conquering one, or at least one of the conquering ones.
I think more comic book movies should be animated. If the majority of your effects can be real, make them real so it FEELS REAL. If the majority of your effects are animated, make the whole movie animated so it all blends together and doesn’t look fake. Into the Spiderverse is a great example of what comic book movies can and should be. I can only imagine tmnt or daredevil movie being in the same style. That would be awesome!
The point of live action is to make you feel like it’s real, that maybe quantum realm is a real thing
The only problem is that the MCU actors for the most part are pretty bad at voiceover. Look at What If season 1 and you’ll find veeery wooden performances.
It's something DC excelled at for so many years, their justice league or Batman adaptations in shows and cartoon movies were fantastic, marvel had earth's mightiest heroes but it got cancelled simply because they opted to continue their crappier spinoff since it ties into the mcu somewhat
I can only imagine what a creative studio would really be able to do with Daredevil. Just imagine a mostly red and black movie where visuals are shown only when sounds are heard. Voices of characters are what makes them look different on screen and fight scenes are shown with the screams of his foes. They could finally show absolutely everything around him on a night filled with rain drops.
God, I shouldn't have thought too much about a mere idea this good to become true.
@@boldone66 Your mere idea is a great foundation for an interesting and unique visual style - the fact that you can come up with it WHILE THEY DON'T says everything about their lack of creativity.
You have shown more creativity in 3 sentences than Marvel/Disney has in years when it comes to visual style. Bravo.
Yo you explained this perfectly. The constant “jokiness” and sarcasm in recent shows + films every 35 seconds is so hard to sit through too, talking a pack of nonsense.
I really miss when superhero movies had a more serious tone. Or at the very least balanced tone. However I was pretty young when I was last excited for them.
Maybe a solid 5 year break is warranted + bringing the grit back.
I recently watched Man of Steel and it was a nice change of tone compared to marvel superhero movies. I hope DC continues with their Dark and gritty because I liked it. I need to watch Batman v Superman and Justice League next
At what point does Kevin Feige get criticised for his role in this? He seems to get a free pass due to the success of the Infinity Saga, but the last 3 years of MCU movies and content have been an absolute disaster. I’m starting to think he was being carried by RDJ, Chris Evans, Jon Favreau and the Russos.
I imagine making executive decisions have given him even less direct creative control over individual movies and scripts, seems like he's spread too thin
Well I heard it was Bob Chapek pushing for more shows to buff up disney plus, so Marvel had to meet those show quotas resulting in lower quality.
@@witnessforchrist7778 I don’t doubt that. Unfortunately Disney Plus has been a trainwreck, losing the company money hand over fist.
No one was saying this in 2016.
@@jimmyboydonald6578 of course not…is it not valid though?
The only movies I watched in phase 4 was Spiderman no way home and Doctor Strange multiverse of madness and for the series was Moon knight, then after that I just stopped watching anything Marvel releases. The best choice I ever made 😂
Multiverse of Sadness😂
@@caspermultiverse 😂😂
I think Kang being much more intimidating if they place a bigger emphasis where he was exiled by the other Kang and made him look much more powerful than "i have big army, they go pew pew." It could've made the other kang so much more threatening
No shade on Kang. The best scene in the movie was the quiet moment when Kang is resting with Janet and he promises her he'll get her back to her family.
No CGI. No jokes. Just a God turned humble and human.
But then they remembered the target audience is 13 year old boys with ADHD, and we got the rest of the movie.
The fact that Cassie Lang went from an adorable, sweet and likable little girl to an obnoxious, know-it-all political activist just made me smh.
This is NOT how I envision her to be.
Also Marvel Studios didn't even *have* to recast Cassie again. I liked Emma Fuhrmann's performance even if was only one minute.
In fairness, she was left alone for 5 years in a post apocalyptic world. That innocent little girl was evidently forced to adapt and grow up in a hostile, empty world. Not at all saying that
_this_ was the right direction for her character, just acknowledging the fact that Cassie should realistically be far different than the spunky little girl we loved.
But if the movie doubled down on THAT…picture an emotionally cut off, edgier Cassie. One who struggles to feel anything at ALL, because of what Thanos stole from her. she probably wouldn’t end up like Clint because she was only a child…however, I imagine she’d have some intense abandonment issues, and that would largely impact her and Scott’s relationship. You could fill a whole movie with this conflict…no Kang CGI-fest needed.
@@Luke_SkywaIker you put more effort in this comment than the writers did with the script
@@Luke_SkywaIker that's the point you have subtlety and a VALID plot point. They didn't bother delving into how that affected her outlook, that blip back had to be disastrous.
The film had zero real world context, which was the biggest problem.
@@Luke_SkywaIker dude even in end game when Scott returned to her she was happy to see him and broke down crying while hugging him unlike the version from Ant-man 3 where she straight up disrespects her father multiple times (which btw is also not a good thing to teach kids that are watching the movie)
The fact that Kang lost to ants just killed the character for me, maybe his plan was to lose to on purpose, but to advance ants…nah
Still better than She-Hulk ending
@@darrengordon-hill Shit drying in the sun is better than that. Who cares?
That part made me laugh hysterically in theaters. Everything was so stupid
And the Quantum people was very stupid. Human beings living among unicellular organisms in living houses wtf that was dumb.
It's mcu we all know the villain loses like 90% of the time but comic wise WAY different story.
Is no one going to talk about how convenient to the plot it was that those ants somehow advanced through time but the main cast remained unnafected?
jonathan majors really carried the whole film. Unfortunate about the plot writing but the small gestures and his facial expressions were soo captivating considering how he has to play numerous Kangs with different personalities as well
Carried... it... to... the... dumpster
It is honestly heartbreaking watching Thor undo 10 years of being Thor. He's the only one of the big three still around and this is the direction his character has turned into. It sucks. He's the last one who can honor what the 3 of them were able to accomplish but he's getting his legacy totally butchered. He is still alive, he has the weight of Iron man and Captain America on his shoulders. He's the last one. Do you know the care and responsibility that has to go with that? But nope, fuck all that.
You nailed it.
The core of Marvel is 3 jacked white guys ans a jacked green guy kicking ass.
The further they stray from that the worse it gets.
Speaking of overly relying on cgi, I hate when Scott, Hope, and Cassie take off their helmets (which is a lot) that they just disappear. It’s not part of the suit like it was before
@@paraonengatai5968yeah that's the problem, "nanotech" is just magical bs, takes people out of the movie.
There's limits to people's suspension of belief. If nanotech can hide a helmet and or metal suit in your pocket, they should just walk around with a suitcase that carries several Tanks and a 50ft spaceship everywhere they go, not like it takes up any room.
@@Squiffel i'm stealing your comment from now on, i agree to the last word. I wish nanotech bs would just disappear, give me Iron Man 1 metal suit that has to be built, has to be worn, and breaks down in realistic ways on fights.
This! I really missed that clank sound from the helmet, nowadays everything is nanotech
@@Squiffel isn’t this an entire fictional universe based on comic books? if so, why are you trying to bring logic into fictional movies based on comic books that are meant to bring people enjoyment?
I also didn’t know they could take off the helmet when shrinking or oversized, I was like ugh okay?
If they started to shift the tone of every project to be more serious making the character development and writing a bigger priority while connecting every story with the rise of Kane in someway I think Disney would have a chance at winning audiences back over. Also, they need to be more selective with choosing which directors get to shoot these movies / shows or else we get another phase 4 mess lol
What ruined it was they forced the connection. Each project should work as a standalone if that’s what you cared about. But if you watched them all you got more insight.
Jonathon majors was given his shot this year with ant man and creed. He has definitely made the most of it. A must watch actor currently
Been counting down the days for Creed for a long time. Can’t wait to see what he brings.
@@movieoverload have you seen him in devotion?? He was excellent in that
I would like to talk to him about my movie idea.
@@movieoverloadyou should watch him in devotion he's really good in that
@@Thespeedrap which is?
People nowadays are like;
“There was a time I was rooting for this franchise. Never thought I’d see myself going ‘will you just go away?’”
Well,
That sentiment is justified IF said franchise is declining in quality
The scary fact is there are still MCU die-hards out there who go to the latest MCU release and lap it up and stay for the post credits scenes to speculate on what it means and salivate over the future movies. It is not just the movies but an identity. Just like die hard Survivor fans are eagerly waiting for Season 44 to begin this week long after the show ceased being a water cooler discussion show.
Never heard anyone actually say that tbh
@@healthiswealth1452 The exact line or something similar?
I’m a DC fan and I thought qantumania was genuinely a good movie so ppl just don’t know what they where talking about like he literally talks about Modoc and doesn’t even really know or cares how he looks smh
The "producer guy" cameo was highly appreciated.
I think huge problems that people don’t want to talk about are that Stan Lee died and wasn’t involved and Disney became way more involved. Disney couldn’t care less about the quality of the product they’re releasing anymore. They just care about generating mass amounts of revenue by pumping out as much product as possible, hence phase four having more content in a shorter period of time than the first three phases combined. To me, Disney has WAY too many other balls up in the air to dedicate the proper time, focus, and budget to the MCU so now it’s cheap laughs, poor character development, and mass production.
Stan Lee had barely anything to do with the MCU whatsoever haha, just his obligatory cameos that's it
Stan Lee was not involved in anyway shape or form
@@idiot_city5444 People really act like Stan Lee was Marvel, he's just a really popular face
Stan Lee can barely take credit for the comics much less the Disney films. You are clueless.
It doesn't feel like homework
It feels like going on a 4 year college career that in the end you feel like it wasn't even worth your time
That's me rn...
the day Boseman died, I asked myself how they could continue
the answer was, they shouldn't have
Endgame was a perfect finale, a celebration of what's good about Marvel
and Spider-Man was a perfect epilogue, a celebration of its greatest character
This is what I’ve been thinking the past week. Make Endgame the finale, far from home the epilogue, and no way home for the fans (which is what the movie was for anyway). Then end the MCU. The only reason they’re continuing the MCU (which is an obvious reason), is how successful it is. If the MCU failed they probably would’ve ended it years ago.
BP2 was shit....ANGELA BASSETT AND NAMOR CARRIED THAT MOVIE FORSURE
@@leftie7098 it likey suffered from its obvious rewrites
Yep
Endgame really is the most overrated MCU film out there. Just an utter mess of a film that marked the start of a long assembly line of terrible movies.
I was reading about an interview with the main writer, and apparently, he wanted to spin Kang basically getting defeated three times already or not being that much of a threat to an attempt to "make him human".
that reminded me of the excuses I used to do in my writing at fourteen for glaring plot or character development mistakes, saying "no you don't get it, it's supposed to be like this. is symbolic. the character here gets weak for a super convoluted reason which makes sense only in my head". the difference here is that guy is a professional, and me just a kid vomiting stuff on a word file.
To be fair, his reasoning is sound. It's with that logic that MHA's Shigaraki Tomura and his League were beloved by the fans, since they had to take a bunch of Ls before finally becoming Japan's biggest threat -let's ignore how MHA is more or less having the same issues as the MCU right now 'kay?- It's a tired thing to say, but I guess it all comes down to exectution
@@ride-playerbb2818 main villains need to be seen as a threat to work, not as lovable losers, unless you want them to turn into the ally of the protagonists. And they had to be redeemable to do so. However, at this point, Kang has killed an uncountable number of people to be redeemed, and his reasoning is less humane than Thanos', while his presentation has been underwhelming.
Like at this point the movies and series had made Kang seem like a coward who sucker punches less developed dimensions to capture out of rivalry or a supposed sense of superiority towards the other versions of himself. He is on the same level of Ronan the Accuser basically. He is a minor villain whose only ace in his sleeve is his knowledge on the multiverse and technology.
@@MitridatedCarbon Personally, this makes me wish they went with the whole Kang-Ultron War the comics had. It really showed how powerful and overreaching both of them (mostly Kang) can be and also includes the multiverse.
I also like irredeemable and overpowered villains fighting each other.
@@ride-playerbb2818 The problem is that they picked one of the most powerful Avengers' enemies to weaken. The motherfucker is a time travelling conqueror, watching him get beat up by the dude whose powers are "I get kinda big or pretty small" doesn't just humanize him, it makes the idea of him being a threat to anyone laughable. Thor alone has the power to defeat every Kang we saw in that post credit scene, given that they're so easily defeated by dudes without god slaying weapons.
@@ride-playerbb2818 bruh, why ignore how unsatisfactory BNHA has become? You're hinging your entire argument on a fallacy at that point.
You don't humanize villains and still make them feel like a legitimate threat by making them lose. You humanize them by having their motivations relatable and make sense.
Kang at this point not only feels weak, but his motivations are contrived at best and stupid at worst.
I've only watched No Way Home after Endgame. Unfortunately, i think Endgame was the peak. I really don't see how they top it, so i haven't bothered watching anything that came after besides Spider-man.
Honestly the film felt like it was written by an AI, especially the first part that explained how they travelled to the Quantum Realm
what even was the explanation? (i haven’t seen this shit)
@@yourehereforthatarentyou long made-up science words
@@wag5bag5 that’ll do it
@@yourehereforthatarentyou They say in the film. They weren’t trying to go to the QR, just send signals like a telescope. But MODOK intercepted the signal and brought them down
cassie made some satellite thing that blew up.
W
Marvel had a good run. After 10 years of dominating pop culture, I'm more than ready for a break
They should’ve had a break after The Infinity Saga. Well technically if you count no movies in 2020, but they’re abusing their VFX team with crunch time with all these movies and TV shows being pumped out at the same time
Then don’t watch marvel for a while 😂😂
@@CodyHopp Trust me bro everyone is already doing that 😂
@@lorddj9910 hmm wouldn’t say everyone
@@lorddj9910 and no i don’t trust you
my biggest gripe with the movie is they barely did anything with hope. she had her character moments with janet but they were never concluded. other than that, she was just in some action scenes.
I'd be willing to remain optimistic. Another comment I've read points out that this fourth phase has emerged during a lot of corporate changes at Disney, with Chapek pushing their content to the newly launched streaming service right as the world went into pandemic lockdown. Now that streaming competition has taken away that lustre from Disney+, and Bob Iger is back in the driver seat, the changes to their productions should be palpable. I think the slowdown in title rollout will help to not only improve their graphics, but also won't drag them through pointless rewrites and edits that make these shows and films unwatchable. Hiring directors like Gunn, Coogler, Shakman, and Herron shows to me that they trust their artistic direction and creativity, which has paid off in terms of audience reception. I have my fingers crossed that they won't go the same route as Warner Brothers and HBO Max with their slash and burn tactics to try and get their franchises back into profitable margins. I think they were lighting the candle at both ends by pumping tv series to the platform while rushing to return films to the theatres, which stretched their production teams too thin and abused their talents in unforgivable ways. I would much rather wait longer to see the films they have in the pipeline than to have routine releases of MCU titles every 4 to 6 months, knowing that they have some time to breathe and really focus on the storytelling, rather than overwhelming the viewers with over-the-top CGI and lackluster dialogue. Given some space, there's a lot of material to work with as they move into the next phase with new actors, in ways that are particularly sensitive to the films that came before it.
I think you should mention that Wasp did literally NOTHING until the very end felt like such a waste of the character.
Wouldn’t it have been so interesting if Cassie and Hope didn’t get along? That would introduce a conflict for Scott to resolve as he wants his family to stay together and trust each other. It could’ve led to some funny moments as he tries to get his family to act like the avengers and they are so annoyed by him
I think it was because she said something on Twitter so they put her on the bench
@@Dr.DisrespectFan918 god imagine something like that determining the story you write.
@Hewhoremains she’s against the COVID vaccine and said she wouldn’t get it even though she lives with her dad who is elderly and immunocomprpmosed
But if you actually read comics The first Time The heroes have to fight Kang the Conqueror the wasp was the one who beat him. Granted it was a different scenario but same result.
@@Yourmomlovesmethough no
Wandavision and Loki are the only tv shows even worth any recognition from phase 4
How about the moon knight?
Minus the treatment of Kingpin towards the end, I thought Hawkeye was a good show. Kate Bishop was a character who actually had flaws and had to develop. And, even in the end, it wasn't like she was a fully developed superhero. I honestly didn't mind Ms. Marvel, either.
@@CupcakeFury960 I hated Moon Knight. It reminded me a lot of the Iron Fist series, where the main character took a backseat to the supporting cast.
@@cubist12 How did Moon Knight take a back seat? I thought his internal conflict was the center of the show's narrative and quite compelling. The show was a little messy in its construction, but that seemed to me kinda intentional, to go along with the character's mental state.
I'd only mention WV. I also liked Kate-Yelena dynamics in Hawkeye. But overall that's it. Specials were great.
Something you didn’t mention is that nothing actually happens in the movie if you think about it.
No one dies, no character arcs, the movie pretty much ends the same way it started.
No one dies? Don’t you dare disrespect May like that… 😡
@@sonicinfinity1871 I’m talking about ant man…
@@user-wh4fx4cn1t I was talking about the whole MCU.
@@sonicinfinity1871he was talking about Ant man quntomania. Why are u overreacting? No one said anything harsh about Spiderman no way home. Good stuff has always been praised by all.
@@caspermultiverse I'm not praising No Way Home. I'm actually angry they killed May like that.
6:13 "It became a chore" OMG yes! Like I could tolerate the occasional Thor 2 as long as I knew it was leading to something better but now? It's like quicksand. We're just slogging through never ending crap.
Another reason it is failing is that they thought the franchise will continue to be successful by itself because it was well established as successful at that point. They were so confident it will keep on going by itself and they removed Iron Man, captain America (and even Thor I would say) without having first established replacement characters that would have the same appeal to continue as leading figures. Let’s be honest, Iron man and cap heavily carried MCU up to this point and I was hoping that Doctor strange would be a viable next leading figure but he was given a secondary role even in his own movie. Honestly though, it is a good thing they removed them, imagine seeing Tony and cap in movies like love and thunder and in series like she hulk…
Yeah, no. It’s not this at all.
All these movies keep making bank, the current problem has nothing to do with your favorite characters leaving.
@@Melkac they only make bank on their opening day since people usually expect a marvel film to do well but when you look at the recent case of ant man, word has been spreading quickly on the decline of the mcu and how average this film was, it recorded extremely lower profits in its second week and continues to decline, just because they make some money it does not mean they can get complacent, ultimately there will be a seismic shift over time if they cannot rekindle some of the quality they were initially known for, people will get burnt out, complacency is the biggest killer
@@Melkac they only make bank on their opening day since people usually expect a marvel film to do well but when you look at the recent case of ant man, word has been spreading quickly on the decline of the mcu and how average this film was, it recorded extremely lower profits in its second week and continues to decline, just because they make some money it does not mean they can get complacent, ultimately there will be a seismic shift over time if they cannot rekindle some of the quality they were initially known for, people will get burnt out, complacency is the biggest killer
@@Melkacyea sure😂😂😂
Phase 4 had two perfectly serviceable possible villains that it completely wasted or didn't use at all - Scarlet Witch and Mephisto. So much of the latter half of the first decade of the MCU was spent setting up how powerful and dangerous Wanda Maximoff is, and WANDAVISION set the stage for her to go on and become the ultimate "big bad" for the next era. Or at least, for her to be used in that way by Mephisto, who was manipulating things behind the scenes. HOUSE OF M was perfectly set up and then summarily dropped because the makers of MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS decided they had to shoot their wad sooner rather than later. The audience was invested in Wanda. Having her turn and then ultimately be redeemed (likely sacrificing herself) at the end of the larger arc would have been brilliant. Instead, she was shuffled off the stage hurriedly so Kang could step in and also thoroughly underwhelm.
There's just no singular vision anymore. Feige and his masters at Disney don't know where they're going. So we, the audience, don't care anymore.
yeah i agree, wandas storyline was rushed. Shame
They're rushing things to get to Secret Wars. They know that nostalgia earned them a LOT of money in other films, so they're trying to get to Secret Wars quickly so that all these actors/actresses from a bunch of Marvel film franchises are still "young" enough to participate. Although, the current rumor is that Disney will extend the length into Phase 7.
Guardians 3 is the first time I’ve been excited for an MCU movie since Endgame and No Way Home. Loki was my favorite tv show, not because it was that good but because I wanted more of Loki himself. If it had been about any other character, I wouldn’t have cared. I can’t imagine why Marvel felt the need to pump out soooo many movies and shows in such a short time. In the earlier movies, my whole family would try and go see the newest one together. After Endgame, we tried to keep up but there was just. so. many. to. watch. I realized it wasn’t even fun anymore. After Endgame, I really enjoyed Shang-Chi, No Way Home and Loki. That’s pretty much it. It makes me so sad the MCU has become a laughing stock
You didn't get looking though, you got tom Huddleston playing a clown
@@mavrickindigo I still enjoyed seeing him. Tom Hiddleston did a good job with what he had. And I actually really liked Owen Wilson’s character too
Far from home was also post Endgame, but it came out so soon after that people forget to include it in that list of yours.
Damn..loki was a good show
It’s James Gunn big magnum opus, his Adieu to the MCU
I've still got faith in Deadpool 3, but one movie can't save an entire company
We just need 1 thing. Consequences. Seriously. Ant Man and Wasp being able to just teleport out at the end is such a massive let down. They should have lost, Kang escaped and they're stuck there until future films. That could make the rest of the characters stronger and more refined for future films. Same with Scarlet Witch. She should have survived, teamed up with Kang, and have to face the white Vision.
Everyone comes and goes in the Quantum Realm, like Wanda's nosey neighbors in Wanda Vision...lol. Except mighty Kang, who's trapped and can't get out.
That is why Spiderman no way home was so good. It had consequences. A lot of them.
@@joaquincasascortes624 _That is why Spiderman no way home was so good. It had consequences. A lot of them._
It didn't though. It has fake consequences but its real purpose was to reboot all the characters whose stories were complete so they could be retold again.
That's why when Goblin stabbed Tobey Peter, he just laughed it off, because they screen tested it and the little kids didn't want Tobey to die, so they just said screw it.
Not a fan of No Way Home, sorry.
@@rrando726 Fake consequences??
I'm fairly sure Aunt May dying wasn't a "fake consequence", same goes for Peter losing connection with literally EVERYONE. The little ammount of friends and familly members he had either cut ties with him or died.
Peter also lost his connection to Stark's wealth, meaning he ended alone, in a small room.
@@rrando726 Peter also lost connection to the avengers and lost his opportunity to go to college.
His life was ruined by the consequences of Doctor Steange's spell.
One thing that annoyed me with MODOK was the fact that Mechanised Organism could have referred to his design having metallic cybernetic implants for life support. That would have made the design look far more monstrous and grotesque. Also the fact that it is stated in Ant Man that shrinking down without a functioning suit messes with the user’s brain chemistry which could have allowed the writers to give MODOK a genius level intellect due to him shrinking to a subatomic level. It frustrates me that the writers didn’t try at all to make MODOK a serious villain. Calendar Man in DC was reimagined to me a terrifying criminal in The Long Halloween and I feel like MODOK’s premise could have been used effectively if the writers actually cared.
On a different issue, Cassie’s recklessness is a character flaw that could have been interesting but the movie tries to recast the flaw as altruism to try and make her more heroic.
I didn’t enjoy this film, not because it was the worst movie, but because it wasted a lot of potential and it is riddled with the exact same problems as Phase 4.
But the worst thing by far about this movie was the fact that I was talking about this movie to a friend (we both saw the film independently) and he told me that it was the first time he left a Marvel Movie feeling nothing, and the same was true for me. When the movie finished, there was no continued buzz and excitement that Marvel used to give me and it’s a shame that that’s what this film represents, to me and my friend at least.
Darren Cross already had a genius level intellect. Remember, he reinvented pym particles from scratch. Not even reverse-engineering.
I think at first Phase 4 had a strong impact at first like WandaVision had to this mystery as to why is Vision back what’s with the sitcoms? Those questions is what got me into that show. Falcon and Winter Soldier didn’t had too many questions I was trying to look for but it was good to see how society was coping with the lack of Captain America and why it was a mistake to give the perfect soldier the formula and name him Captain America. Loki was showing how he was understanding that he had to take some responsibility and accountability. Dr Strange I started to see some of the writing being lackluster. No way Home is probably the only film I watched that I enjoyed. I think She-Hulk was the final nail in the coffin where that I basically am sick of the MCU. I literally watched it for Daredevil. MCU needs help
She-Hulk sucks. That character doesn’t translate to bigger screen and needs to stay in comic book pages. Kamala is the same way. So is Cassie. These are low tier characters that bring nothing to the table other than cringey annoyances.
@@jayw3512 I only watched She Hulk not the the rested you stated
@@jayw3512 Namor was dope though. In my opinion. I think Namor is one of the only good things we have gotten since Endgame. I really look forward to seeing Namor do something in the context of an Avengers film.
@@ericarezzo6675 i laughed so hard at Namor, i couldn't take him seriously at all. really disappointed with wakanda forever. i thought the movie was bad and riri didn't do it for me either. oh plus the cgi was also bad (imo)
That’s not Loki tho, mostly all of his comics he’s mischievous and fucks w your mind. they never done Loki right by comic standards in any mcu film he’s in. He’ll just have a few moments where he fools Thor thinking he’s one place and he’s really not there. He rarely ever uses that during fight scenes. But I watched like 4 episodes of Loki and stopped bc after wandavision and start of Loki I really was wasting my time, after they showed infinity stones meant nothing just kind of felt like they were saying none of the previous 3 phases matter, which is exactly what happened, all predecessors of the new characters are shown to be weak, look stupid, and shown up by someone who just got there powers 20 min before. There’s no story going on just political and thinking of what the public wants and not the fans. Just personal opinion don’t be upset bc I don’t care
I honestly enjoyed (for the most part) WandaVision, Loki and Captain America and the Winter Soldier. Oh, and Moon Knight was quite good in my opinion. But yeah, they really "Sequel Trilogied" Phase 4. Nothing feels connected and it seems like no one has any idea what direction they want to take anything.
Fun Fact: Marvel put Kang in the thumbnail of Ant-Man 3 trailer since he is literally the best part of this movie.
The only good part*
I mean... How to do underutilize Paul Rudd? Like, you have Paul Rudd in your movie - how do you manage to fuck it up with that starting point??
Idk man, but Jonathan Majors overly dramatic delivered Kang's stupid and bad lines is just funny. I'm not blaming him for this, but the script it's just bad that I can't take this character as the apparent the big bad of this franchise seriously
@@XavierZazi Yeah, why does he talk that way. It's been bumming me out since Loki.
@@A_Random_Ghost dude it’s a variant they have different voices what a stupid comment, you can literally tell that from the post credit scene 🤦♂️
@@CodyHopp cringe fanboy spotted
I think Kevin Feige said that Marvel intends on cutting back on MCU content in the future to avoid the oversaturation that was Phase Four. That solves one problem but there's still *many* more they need to fix! I want to still feel excited about the MCU but I just can't right now. I missed most of Phase Four but I don't feel like I missed much when it comes to the overall story.
You’ll never enjoy the MCU like when you watched phase 1. Night as well stop watching and hoping for something better. For a simple reason: you can’t have bigger stakes than Endgame, beating the most powerful threat in the universe, and because it will never be fresh again. You’ll never have a novel experience with MCU. It will always be an attempt to recreate the feeling of phase 1. I stopped watching after Endgame and by no means feel like I missed anything at all.
@@ROVA00 Might*
I rather them take a year to figure it out without any new films…but we know they wouldn’t do that
So a lot of the Loki variants look nothing like Tom Hiddleston.
Are there Kang variants that look nothing like him? Or are they all Jonathan Majors?
There are different looking variants of Kang, but so far all the variants we've seen have been played by Majors.
not to mention peter parker too in No Way Home
There is a variant of Kang who is a skrull...who will most likely be in Secret Wars
The variants will look different, but they will all be played by Jonathan Majors
i genuinely think wandavision was one of the best things in phase 4/out of the shows. falcon and the winter soldier was interesting, but had a big post-mortem vibe (obvi) and it made it hard to connect at all. i liked loki, but the series itself wasn’t great. didn’t even watch america’s show, and i watched she-hulk to stay updated, not because i liked it.
i think you said it perfectly ‘it’s more like homework than general enjoyment’
Yeah, Wandavision had me really excited. I loved that they did something completely new with it and I liked the perfomances. The only downside was the stupid Boner joke and all that Mephisto teasing without it going anywhere. The few shows after Wandavision were kinda okay, but at some point, everything just turned boring. Idk when that point was reached. I remember enjoying the Hawkeye series and Moon Knight (tho I did wonder how tf Moon Knight would tie into the rest in the future), but then...nothing. I hated Dr. Strange 2 for what they did to Wanda. I was annoyed at Thor 4 because they just wasted the God butcher (and Bale) and the tone and humor were awful. Black Panther 2 was boring as hell and so was the villain. I can't even remember what shows we got. I liked Ms. Marvel, but it just didn't feel like it belonged to the MCU und it doesn't fit in there. She Hulk was an abomination (pun intended). I lost interest in the MCU and I might watch the occasional movie on Disney+ but I won't waste my money in the cinema anymore (maybe for Deadpool 3, but is that movie really part of the MCU now? Idk).
Yeah Wandavision was great, and then they made Wanda a cartoon villain and Vision has yet to show up in any other content. They wasted the momentum they built.
They really showed what a threat Kang really is, he almost won against a civilization of ants
You mean they ALMOST showed... 😄
I hate that when Scott tries to talk to HIS daughter about being arrested and trying to stop her getting in trouble an he's just bullied into feeling bad by every female in the scene
Jeff Loveness isn't a good writer. He's writing the next Avengers movie. Lol. Or Feige will quietly fire him. We'll see.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. They were acting as if he didn’t have a right to be concerned about his daughter going to jail. Everyone just tried to act like that was normal.
These reviews are the ones that convince me to wait for the movie to come to Disney +. Honestly it has worked pretty well for me with these last movies.
Yeah, just watch at home,, disney movie better watch at hom
"worked pretty well" and yet you still watched them and indirectly gave Disney money for it? Not exactly the most principled stance....
@@Fosterdid I don't even pay for Disney +. It's included in my internet contract as somekind of package.
@@pelayosuarez4550 Fair enough. I'm an asshole. Sorry!
@@Fosterdid It's ok mate 😁 cheers!
My biggest gripe with phase 4 is how Loki had his own series, where they could of really shown how creative and twisted his powers can be... yet had the entire season set in a location that pretty nerfed his entire power set 🙄😒
The fact that blows my mind is that Phase 4 had more hours of content than the first three phases combined. And yet the first three phases gave us the amazing Infinity Saga, but Phase 4, with more time, has given us little.
Is that actually true?
But more stories
@@doug176 yes
THEY TOOK 10 YEARS TO COMPLETE ONE STORYLINE PROPERLY..... THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE!! IN THAT WAY THE PLOT CAN BE CONNECTED, AND MOVIES WILL BE ENJOYABLE TO WATCH RATHER THAN IT FEELING LIKE A HOMEWORK TO WATCH
Technically, I think it's because it also didn't need to be directly connected as well. What happens in each movie isn't largely important other than Avengers and Infinity War. Heroes are largely simple, and the point comes across easy enough. In Avengers, it was about the team. In Infinity War, it was about Thanos.
Maybe it helps having a lot of experience with comics, but it's not like you're coming into a complex comic run where you have to read every issue. I don't really worry about characters' motivations between series.
Overall, to say you don't need to watch every entry.
I think the MCU was fun when they'd tease other characters, like having someone say 'theres a hero who can climb walls' in Antman. The stakes can never be high again because other heroes can just step in and help.
Shuri shouting at Mbaku in Wakanda Forever like a little child in a toy section at Target was absolutely vomit inducing in terms of the writing.
Guilty of watching No way home due to nostalgia. Seeing andrew Garfield again as spider man again was great. Especially since he finally got his closure regarding his lose with Gwen in the movie.
The fact you have to admit it like you did something wrong is so sad.
@@PokeBeardTCG how is it sad ? ☠️
Why are you guilty? It was a very entertaining movie. No need to be tribal and hate things just cause pages like this (and there’s 100’s of them) which capitalize on negative content cause it gets more views. Instead Focus on liking what you like. And if something sucks then say it cause YOU think it sucks.
@@mclarendrive there is nothing wrong for wanting to see something cuz of nostalgia. They call no way home a fan service movie. And the internet makes you think that's bad.
@@PokeBeardTCG definitely does hate when people bash a movie constantly for something thats not even catered towards them. it’s literally targeted for kids and people complain like it was made just for them and it makes zero sense .
Such a shame about Cassie, her character compared to the other movies literally feels like they started from scratch just based off of what the new actress looked like
Cassie is literally barely in any other movie. What are you talking about
She’s my favourite character in the original comics and I guess my bias kept me from realising how bad this film was… still like Cassie though.
@@PokeBeardTCG She's in Endgame and that version (lightyears better despite being in one scene) is nothing like the garbage we got in this shitshow of a movie.
@@thetruedarkener that one scene isn't enough. You're full of shit. You just don't like this new acress. Compare their credits and the new Cassie has done bigger and better projects. I had no complaints about Cassie.
@@PokeBeardTCG exactly! These fucking nerds are tripping over nothing lol. She literally was barely in the other movies😂😂😂
“Kill off it’s main character.” Bro, Ant-man didn’t even feel like the main character. He felt like Dr.Strange did in the Multiverse of Madness movie, just a side character in their own movie
Both are side characters lol
i mean yea, but in their own movies?
“Everything falls flat except for it’s villain…”
AAAAAND he’s gone.
Was just about to say this
I'm really surprised so many people really liked antman. Sure kang was cool and i felt hyped to see more of him but that was literally it
Agreed. The story was crap, every character was either meaningless or crap and the cgi was also crap
Every Marvel Movie
- Some guy gets into a wacky situation and gets super powers
- Superhero saves the day, gets famous.
- Superhero did bad and has a sad moment where he reflects on his mistake
- He comes back in the end to defeat the bad guy
- The end
I liked it but that doesn't mean it was a great movie. It didn't disappoint me because I had no expectations. But then it gave me Kang.
On the contrary I hated Doctor Strange MoM because I had so many expectations from it
I thought Quantumania was a classic Marvel outing, but it was the perfect example of when people say "Marvel is fast food"
I hate that sentence and I disagree, but it was true for Ant Man, this movie had so many classic tropes and nothing wow'd me. But it wasn't terrible either
@@poko60 thats true, I like scott as a character so seeing him being him was pretty wholesome
Kang vs Rebels: Insta kills them
Kang vs Protagonists: Knockback effect
Wanda vs Random People: Insta kills them
Wanda vs Main Characters: Dialogue over killing
I actually really enjoyed Moon Knight, but because it probably had the LEAST to do with driving the phase forward than any other piece of Marvel media post Endgame. Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke are amazing talent, and I honestly completely forgot it was a Marvel product. It was an interesting show, it took the subject of DID very seriously which is refreshing to see in media, and I could easily enjoy it without worrying about how they would ham-fist the story into the MCU.
But they will ham-fist it into the universe, and I'm not sure even Oscar can make that transition painless.
Moon Knight was excellent, you're right. Other than that, it's hard to make compelling stories after the one literally titled "Endgame."
@@SuperRobertoClementeThey could have just had the heroes pass the torch to a whole new generation of heroes and the "Endgame" wouldn't lose its meaning. The problem is they're trying to keep all the plates spinning when the show's already over.
Disney needs to pay writers more to bring quality work AND chill on the CGI and focus on practical effects.
Marvel Multiverse doesn't even need Kang to destroy the Universe, Marvel Studios is doing a great job all by itself. The Loki series introduced us to the complexities of the multiverse, I think a 130min movie probably did this complex story injustice - DC's Justice League Snydercut was 4 hour saga but managed to give a real feel of the magnitude was happening..
This was too much crammed into too little time.
When Avengers Endgame showed I asked myself, "I wonder if comic books movies will get ever get old". Now, yeah they got old and tiring real fast
Here's to putting our hopes in James Gunn's DCU. Maybe the DCU could be that spark of hope the comic book movie genre needs... HUGE maybe, but still... Maybe
At this stage I feel like we really need a break from these multiverses :<
The whole point of making a special crossover is that it’s special.
I just want decent stand-alone movies like The Batman, or Iron Man.
Praying it can. I think one good thing is we’ve got stuff like the batman sequels and spiderverse so the genre is never gonna completely die or anything ( hoping they’re good). But in terms of cinematic universes and larger audience opinions yeah absolutely
How? He fired Henry Cavill but kept Amber Heard and Ezra Miller.
@@benquadrinaros8692 yeah you're right, feels like the way to go is standalone movies, fingers crossed🤞
@@tonatiuhnino3711 dude he confirmed that Cavill was never hired back in the first place. Can always change those two after Flashpoint