Even though these two cost a surprisingly similar amount (if you want a manual), there is an obvious gap in performance. Which would you rather have? Let us know in the comments below! Edit: The tires on the GR Supra were actually Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 f, 275/35 R19 r. Thank you for the feedback!
345/25/R21 rear tires?…. Copy paste from a corvette Z06? Audio: “the Supra is on Michelin pilot super sports” Text: Michelin pilot sport 4 s Did the editor skip this video lol?
I don't think there's really much gap in performance at all. Sure the M2 wins in a flat out drag race, but in every track comparison I've seen the Supra beats out the M2. Are you buying either one of these cars for the drag racing experience?
@@seannomoney20both are underrated. Same engine. Although there’s speculation that bmw doesn’t give Toyota the best B58’s as the 400 lb Supra should be much faster.
@@Bimmer_Bill I think performance wise the M240 would be more even, though I dont think it comes in a manual and is quite a bit less money than the GR Supra. Not sure how underrated BMW makes their B58. but I think their S58 is even more so being it easily makes 50+hp and torque more in the M3/4 versus this M2 (and even those are said to be underrated).
@@Bimmer_Bill Toyota has an arguably better b58 at least on reliability. and I didn't think about it until after I made the comment that the m2 is also probably underrated.
@@ALMX5DP M240 equally equipped is the same price as the Supra. Although it will have AWD for the launch, it is 500+ lbs heavier than the Supra. The Supra will beat it easily in the skidpad and on a roll. Even the trap speed is telling.
Once the M2 is in third gear, its overboost kicks in and it will pull like a madman as you saw in this video. The S58 is no joke. Hagerty has another video where the M2 destroys the lineup there, including a Lotus, Supra and the Dark Horse so not sure why you didn’t have the M240 here instead that would’ve been a closer matchup.
I dont think it overboosts in the 3rd gear...from my short ownership it feels like power/boost is limited in 1st and 2nd gear to put the power down. (even with traction control fully off) and I say that because 1 & 2 gear doesn't feel like the advertised 450 hp unless launch control is activated
Jonathan! @edmundscars Ronan here ....the previous owner of your M Coupe when I was in SF, now down in LA also. So glad you're still enjoying her, and she looks in great condition....thank you for taking care of her. Made my day to see the appearance in the video, loved that!
@@madrx2 interestingly enough, the new RS3 broke the M2 Nurburgring lap record by over 7 seconds. M2 definitely has more power, but between the all wheel drive, launch control, and automatic transmission, RS3 should do much better than Supra in a U-Drags race. It will be a fun race to watch regardless of who wins.
The manual in the M2 is a disservice unfortunately. It's not good, but the auto zf8 gearing is better matched to the s58. The car is even faster with the auto.
I mean its a relatively recent car, having only gone on sale in 2016 Aside from that it has been refreshed inside and out as of last year, with matrix LED lights and new infotainment systems and such Its literally not aged at all Hell, the current Mustang is actually riding the same platform as the Mustang that came out in 2014...and it lacks absolutely nothing Theres nothing in a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse or a 2024 Alfa-Romeo Giulia that would make them "dated" when compared to the competition
@@joecool9739 Thanks for the AI response. I know. I own a QV and it was ahead of its time. 8 years though is some time and ever since the competition has had a new generation and a mid cycle refresh release. It would be a good and entertaining race to see how they stack up. Especially on the U-drag.
What was the purpose of this race.The result was very much obvious and it cannot be changed until or unless the driver really messed it in m2 .M2 is in different segment in sports car category THE RACE Should be between supra and m240i or m340i
Jesus, guys, come on now. 1. You dont prefer the gear ratios in the Supra because the ratios are identical to the M2. 2. The tire size on the Supra is completely wrong and is actually smaller, by some margin, to the M2. 3. The G87 M2 is only detuned on paper, the car dynos identically to the G80/82 M3/4 at 473 hp at the wheels. The reason why it spanked the Supra is it's simply a better performance car all around. The carbon package 6 speed weighs 3700 lbs with a full tank, its a little rocket.
@@AntilleanConfederation might wanna check bmws reliability rating these days. The b58 and s58 are extremely capable. Bimmerpost which is a site that is all bmw owners never report an engine blowing up or even oil leaks with the new G8x platform
Yep, that is why I sold my M240ix. Great car, but a manual transmission would greatly improve it's personality and enjoyment. I have a 2023 Camaro ZL1 now. Loads of personality and so much fun.
@@jp23x I had awhile back a 2017 2SS with mag ride and dual mode exhaust and it was a great car. The M240ix was very quick off the line with AWD. But the 2SS is faster overall with the big V8 and the alpha chassis is a suburb so it handles very well. I originally sold my 2022 M240ix when I ordered a 2023 2SS 1LE with a 6spd. That car was built in Jan 2023 but sat in a lot in Detroit waiting six months for shipping. I did not like that situation and got impatient. A 2023 ZL1 6spd became available that the guy who ordered in backed out, so I splurged and got the ZL1. It was $18k more, but such a special car. The power is no comparison with the supercharger, it is strong at all rpms. These types of cars (V8 manual transmissions) are going a way; so get them while you can.
@@jp23xThe m240i will dog walk it off the line. The downfall to the m240i is that it is either electronically locked to 130 or 155 depending the package. Thus, in a quarter mile the RPMs are killed. However, if you unlock the m240i it is the fast bmw car ever made. There is a m240i that runs the quarter mile in 7.96.
its is super simple decision for me that absolutely worth extra $.... s58 is waay much more powerful than b58 + it is way nicer to say to a lady that you are driving a BMW ///M vs that your car is toyota (even though it is bmw inside).
These are such great videos. Not too long, little fluff, mostly business. Also demonstrates more of the cars performance than just drag race or a hot lap. Thanks and keep it up Edmunds!
I think I'm the only person that loves the M2, but considering these models are priced about the same, I don't see how I could NOT get the M car. You even get a useable back seat, crazy cool little car.
I’m a current owner of the exact spec M2 driven here and I can attest to its wild side but man that Supra showed up well. If the rumours are true and they get the S58 in the Supra with its lighter weight, it’ll be a monster.
They won’t do it. The m240i is a much better car. Furthermore, for modded cars the m240i holds the record for the fastest bmw ever made. 7.96 quarter mile
@@kingvega666 yet fun and engaging. If speed is all you care about then I got news flash for you, fighter pilots are the fastest people on the planet. You’ll never be as fast. 🫵🏼🥲
I think both of these can be had with autos, would like to see that. Just to take the driver equation out of it. Also the non 45th anniversary edition, is $60k, so that bmw is $15k more!!!!
When BMW designed that 3.0 I-6 with collaboration with Toyota, BMW wasn’t gunna be that stupid to give their rival better performance. Toyota really should’ve came up with their own powertrain for the Supra.
I don't think it's like that. It's just the M2 has the S58 and Supra has the B58. The Supra outperforms the Z4, so it's not BMW trying to make the Supra worse. If Toyota designed a new I6 for the Supra, it would have been another financial disaster like the MKIV and only appreciated after it's discontinued.
Jonathan.... the Supra is not an inline 6 anymore... it's a b58 BMW V-6... so definitely not a spiritual successor of either the Z3 or the Supra MKIV... still a great car though.
@@mogulme6190 I’ve had an F82, F80 M3C and the 22 Supra. I know through experience. There’s a video on Samcarlegion’s channel too if you refuse to believe it
You know BMW always lies about it's horsepower, and actually adds 53 hp. BMW is definitely a better performance buy. I bought a Roush Mustang and it has the Tremec Rev-Match, no Lift Shift, 3rd Fun Pedal 6 Speed Manual Transmission..MAgneRide Suspension, Intercooled Limited Slip Trosen Rear Differential. I prefer a Naturally Aspirated ( N/A) or SuperCharged V8 👩🏻🚀🤘🏻🏎🏎🏁🏁🚩🚩🌲🌲⛰⛰🧗🏻 V8's forever
These are the best races vs straight line. You get a chance to see how well straight line and cornering performs on cars. If that Supra was fine with even horsepower and torque, it would have won. Supra still didn't do bad.
M240 is the better matchup, and it will beat the Supra from a dig because of AWD. Also, the B58 is definitely underrated and dyno’s at around 406hp not the 382hp that BMW claims. I have a 2024 M240 and it’s a fantastic daily and very fast!
And yooo good call ain’t nobody actually own them act and sound like they know///////M2 all day//yall have fun in your whatever. Who knew we’d be in an era that bmw building Toyotas 😘
Prices are not that similar. GR Supra 3.0 base is $54500 and the Premium is $58,550. The M2 starts @ $63k but if you want even basic luxuries like heated steering wheel and adaptive cruise you pay extra. And to unlock the full potential of the car you need to buy the "driver's performance package" for $2500 which basically unlocks the car's full potential and gives you a driving school ticket. Crazy thing is the Supra beats the M2 0-60 handily every time because of the weight difference. Also worth noting the Supra is a track beast, beating the M2 by over a second even with all the extra power on tap with the M2.
The tire sizes listed here for the Supra are: 275/30/20 for the front and 345/25/21 on the rear. There's no freakin' way that Supra has that wide of a tire on the rear! Anyhoooo, if I had to choose between these two cars, I guess I'd go with the Bimmer because I like it's styling a little more than the Supra's.
Believe it or not supra does have launch control but you have to have the car in manual, but this is only for the ones with the ZF-8 transmission to my knowledge
That m2 is the least off putting beemer and it's still ugly as hell. Every manufacturer needs to fire everyone in the design department start fresh. Sharp ridiculous body lines on pleb cars like a Camrys are unnecessary. Give them some curves, like the Supra, instead of the nonsensical overly aggressive jagged lines and protrusions everywhere. It's bad enough that sedans and sports cars barely sell anymore because women control the majority of household spending, but does everything have to be so damn ugly? Apparently, they want ugly AF compact SUVs so they can sit up higher, then move their seatp to where they are eating the airbag and windshield. Modern aesthetics are hideous in every product imaginable
This race isn't fare😢 it should've been an m240i vs gr supra mk5 but even though I still prefer the old 2jz, Toyota should've renewed the 2jz in order to meet new emissions standards or just simple called it 3JZ😊😊😊!
Not really apples to apples, big HP disparity and a 10k price difference. Supra should be against the Z. Not too many other stick rear wheel drive cars, Mustang or Camaro maybe
Different story for you guys in the US for sure. But over here in Ozzy-land? No one bought the Supra. They're over $110,000aud second hand and I kid you not - I've seen maybe 3 different ones on the road.
BMW motors, especially M. Clearly map for higher boost in 3rd +. You can tell the engine is not fully uncorked until 3rd. It’s the same for every BMW M
Why does this channel have so much trouble with tires? The tires on the Supra are absurdly off spec. The front should be 255 and the rears should be 275. What the f*** is this 345 nonsense? Did no one notice that in the video? This is also the channel that had the lucid air on the 19-in little tiny scooter tires for mileage doing a performance test and then everyone around the internet clips it and thinks that's the performance
Did the 2024 Supra 0-60 get slower? Mine is the 2022 automatic and it easily did 3.8 seconds 0-60. Oh wait. Mine is automatics so maybe the automatic would’ve beaten the m2
What sad is Toyota just increased the price of the Supra by another $2k for the upcoming model year. No idea why the Supra costs so much money compared to the M2. Guessing it’s all Toyota greed
Not much to compare, its not really Toyota vs BMW, as the Supra has a factory M tuned engine. The M2 will always win in this race, similar weight, but way more top end HP.
I could’ve told you who would win that just based on specs however where the supra comes into its own is on a circuit not just one turn but several turns especially in transitions. I’ve seen a few comparisons on the track between these two and the supra is a better car . In a straight line it’s obvious which has a better power to weight ratio , physics don’t lie. Plus $10,000 gets you a lot of goodies in the supra.
auto vs auto would be an interesting race as well. feel like the 8 speed really takes the s58 to the next level. m2 is more nerfed with the manual when compared to Supra
I can’t stand the ugliness of both cars front ends. However the BMW is slightly better but both are terrible. Love the read and side of the Supra however.
I really like the M2 styling more and adding 20 more hp in 25 too. Although if they were to put that engine in the Supra it would be a beast. Heard they may offer x-drive for the M2 in 26 which would be awesome, but if it costs much more than the new one IDK.
Supra with an S58 would be incredible. My brother owns a 2022 Supra, and it's such a great car. BMW really knows their stuff, and make some awesome cars. Wish I could drive an M2 or an M4.
Next up M2 vs Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing. Would be a great matchup. Caddy is faster 0-60, same quarter mile, but not as grippy as the M2 on the hairpin turn. Both manuals and cost about the same.
Even though these two cost a surprisingly similar amount (if you want a manual), there is an obvious gap in performance. Which would you rather have? Let us know in the comments below!
Edit: The tires on the GR Supra were actually Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 f, 275/35 R19 r. Thank you for the feedback!
345/25/R21 rear tires?…. Copy paste from a corvette Z06?
Audio: “the Supra is on Michelin pilot super sports”
Text: Michelin pilot sport 4 s
Did the editor skip this video lol?
@Edmundscar, not sure if you guys can get this done, but I'd want to see a 992.1 turbo vs 991.2 Turbo s . Both have around 500+ hp.
You know that one dangling hair on Kurt's head drove him nuts after watching the video back.
I don't think there's really much gap in performance at all. Sure the M2 wins in a flat out drag race, but in every track comparison I've seen the Supra beats out the M2. Are you buying either one of these cars for the drag racing experience?
The m2 because it is only a detune of m4/m3 version, so i can easily have it 510 hp with simple tune and no upgrade needed
This should be the m240i vs Supra
the 2 series is too heavy for that and it's a known fact the supra is underrated
@@seannomoney20both are underrated. Same engine. Although there’s speculation that bmw doesn’t give Toyota the best B58’s as the 400 lb Supra should be much faster.
@@Bimmer_Bill I think performance wise the M240 would be more even, though I dont think it comes in a manual and is quite a bit less money than the GR Supra. Not sure how underrated BMW makes their B58. but I think their S58 is even more so being it easily makes 50+hp and torque more in the M3/4 versus this M2 (and even those are said to be underrated).
@@Bimmer_Bill Toyota has an arguably better b58 at least on reliability. and I didn't think about it until after I made the comment that the m2 is also probably underrated.
@@ALMX5DP M240 equally equipped is the same price as the Supra. Although it will have AWD for the launch, it is 500+ lbs heavier than the Supra. The Supra will beat it easily in the skidpad and on a roll. Even the trap speed is telling.
@ 0:40 tire/wheel spec is incorrect, it should be FR 255/35/19 and RR 275/35/19
lol 345 on the rear 😂 it’s not a Bugatti
Those are the C8 Corvette Z06 tires. Not a Bugatti
Yeah I saw this and said to myself “that’s like Viper tires!”
@@FlyinFinchMotorsports hyperbole
345s are for Corvettes...
Once the M2 is in third gear, its overboost kicks in and it will pull like a madman as you saw in this video. The S58 is no joke. Hagerty has another video where the M2 destroys the lineup there, including a Lotus, Supra and the Dark Horse so not sure why you didn’t have the M240 here instead that would’ve been a closer matchup.
I dont think it overboosts in the 3rd gear...from my short ownership it feels like power/boost is limited in 1st and 2nd gear to put the power down. (even with traction control fully off) and I say that because 1 & 2 gear doesn't feel like the advertised 450 hp unless launch control is activated
@@Nimasis it does trust me. Also dyno is over 500 at the crank so it’s more like 470-480ish . It’s not “detuned”😎
@@AutobahnSoCal Nice thats good to know. Idk for some reason 1/2 gear feels a bit underwhelming but at hwy speeds it pulls hard
@@Nimasis using at least 91 octane?
@@AutobahnSoCal yup 94
Jonathan! @edmundscars Ronan here ....the previous owner of your M Coupe when I was in SF, now down in LA also. So glad you're still enjoying her, and she looks in great condition....thank you for taking care of her. Made my day to see the appearance in the video, loved that!
Looked like South Bay to me
Why did you get rid of it? Went for a more visually pleasing car? 😂
Ronan! Yes, the ol girl is doing well. I'm hoping she'll even get to do a Udrag of her own one of these days (fingers crossed!). Thanks for watching!
It would be interesting to see RS3 vs. M2.
m2 Will destroy it with the same rubber.
@madrx2 M2 is definitely faster, but it would be fun to see.
No it wouldn’t
@@TomShirazi agree mate the awd of the rs3 could really help out here
@@madrx2 interestingly enough, the new RS3 broke the M2 Nurburgring lap record by over 7 seconds. M2 definitely has more power, but between the all wheel drive, launch control, and automatic transmission, RS3 should do much better than Supra in a U-Drags race. It will be a fun race to watch regardless of who wins.
Oh wow, i didnt realize the resemblance between the mk5 Supra and Z3 M coupe, nice
BMW vs BMW. Nice
Go smell the fruit cup @6:10
*Laughs in 2019
100%
Big HP difference between. Makes sense the M2 won.
The manual in the M2 is a disservice unfortunately. It's not good, but the auto zf8 gearing is better matched to the s58. The car is even faster with the auto.
They allowed to have a 45th anniversary when they didn’t make the car for 15 years?
Giulia Quadrifoglio vs M2 or M3 would be an interesting one to see how the Alfa has aged compared to the comp.
I mean its a relatively recent car, having only gone on sale in 2016
Aside from that it has been refreshed inside and out as of last year, with matrix LED lights and new infotainment systems and such
Its literally not aged at all
Hell, the current Mustang is actually riding the same platform as the Mustang that came out in 2014...and it lacks absolutely nothing
Theres nothing in a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse or a 2024 Alfa-Romeo Giulia that would make them "dated" when compared to the competition
@@joecool9739 Thanks for the AI response. I know. I own a QV and it was ahead of its time. 8 years though is some time and ever since the competition has had a new generation and a mid cycle refresh release. It would be a good and entertaining race to see how they stack up. Especially on the U-drag.
@@gdsnake98
I just told you that the Giulia recieved a mid-cycle refresh
I want to see z4 m40i vs supra
Why are we here 😒😒😒 bmw vs bmw and bmw wins 🤦🏾
Becuase it’s fun to watch races, go to sleep buddy
@19hundoc47 hes not your buddy pal
The tyre size on the Supra doesn’t seem right…I mean 345 rears??
Came here to say the same. Should be 255 and 275
Right? The rears are 275 not sure about the front probably 245. Editors thinking this was a Viper😂
Yes would say the same 345 on the supra 😂
And r19 all around, not 20 and 21 ;)
These are the tire and wheel specs for the C8 Corvette Z06, they didn't edit this one out.
What was the purpose of this race.The result was very much obvious and it cannot be changed until or unless the driver really messed it in m2 .M2 is in different segment in sports car category THE RACE Should be between supra and m240i or m340i
Jesus, guys, come on now.
1. You dont prefer the gear ratios in the Supra because the ratios are identical to the M2.
2. The tire size on the Supra is completely wrong and is actually smaller, by some margin, to the M2.
3. The G87 M2 is only detuned on paper, the car dynos identically to the G80/82 M3/4 at 473 hp at the wheels.
The reason why it spanked the Supra is it's simply a better performance car all around. The carbon package 6 speed weighs 3700 lbs with a full tank, its a little rocket.
So sad that 3700 lbs is considered low weight.
Auto ZF trans really changes things up in these cars
The s58 is just a monster. Bmw made a masterpiece. Simple bolt ons and its a low 10s car to the quarter mile.
Then it’s another 2 miles to the junkyard after that.
@@AntilleanConfederation might wanna check bmws reliability rating these days. The b58 and s58 are extremely capable. Bimmerpost which is a site that is all bmw owners never report an engine blowing up or even oil leaks with the new G8x platform
This isn't 2012 dude. The s58 can run 10s all day with no issues. I know because i have a 2022 and have had zero issues. @AntilleanConfederation
@@MrJsevo29 sure man. Make sure you keep an eye on that dip stick. Oppppsssss…
@@AntilleanConfederation you probably still believe in the tooth fairy too huh boomer
Such a travesty that bmw doesn't put a manual in the m240
Should put one in the xi and I 240
Yep, that is why I sold my M240ix. Great car, but a manual transmission would greatly improve it's personality and enjoyment. I have a 2023 Camaro ZL1 now. Loads of personality and so much fun.
@@braddevendorf9901 how does the power compare not taking transmission into consideration? an SS would be more comparable to an m240 though
@@jp23x I had awhile back a 2017 2SS with mag ride and dual mode exhaust and it was a great car. The M240ix was very quick off the line with AWD. But the 2SS is faster overall with the big V8 and the alpha chassis is a suburb so it handles very well. I originally sold my 2022 M240ix when I ordered a 2023 2SS 1LE with a 6spd. That car was built in Jan 2023 but sat in a lot in Detroit waiting six months for shipping. I did not like that situation and got impatient. A 2023 ZL1 6spd became available that the guy who ordered in backed out, so I splurged and got the ZL1. It was $18k more, but such a special car. The power is no comparison with the supercharger, it is strong at all rpms. These types of cars (V8 manual transmissions) are going a way; so get them while you can.
@@jp23xThe m240i will dog walk it off the line. The downfall to the m240i is that it is either electronically locked to 130 or 155 depending the package. Thus, in a quarter mile the RPMs are killed.
However, if you unlock the m240i it is the fast bmw car ever made. There is a m240i that runs the quarter mile in 7.96.
So if you want a bmw, it's better to buy a bmw from bmw, rather then a bmw from Toyota.
The supra would be great @$50k.
I believe you guys mixed up the C8 Z06 tire size with the Supra
345 rear
275 front 😮
The Supra is not on 345 rear tires 🤣😂
Test drove an M2 and own a Supra and the performance was just to similar to change (plus looks). There is always a JB4 to even things out.
You can jb4 the m2 also.
@@hpickettz34 True but getting the M2 will cost me $20k (supra is paid off) JB4 a lot less.
I loved the looks of the Supra but absolutely hated sitting in the cabin. I went with a M6 ZL1
its is super simple decision for me that absolutely worth extra $.... s58 is waay much more powerful than b58 + it is way nicer to say to a lady that you are driving a BMW ///M vs that your car is toyota (even though it is bmw inside).
@@valeriyGennadyevichif the M2 wasn't so ugly it'd be an easier decision
Still thought for a B58 v S58 it's pretty good, having driven both I'd pick the supra, easier of the two as a daily.
These are such great videos. Not too long, little fluff, mostly business. Also demonstrates more of the cars performance than just drag race or a hot lap. Thanks and keep it up Edmunds!
Both amazing cars! Can’t go wrong with either one.
I think I'm the only person that loves the M2, but considering these models are priced about the same, I don't see how I could NOT get the M car. You even get a useable back seat, crazy cool little car.
The M2 is much more expensive!
Wrong ,M2 $63,200 vs Supra anniversary $65,275
@@mrfxmuc2493 These specific trims are very similarly priced.
Some people don’t want a backseat. Not everyone wants what you want. Imagine that
@@19hundoc47 Please go back and reread what I said and point out where I told anyone to do anything.
I’m a current owner of the exact spec M2 driven here and I can attest to its wild side but man that Supra showed up well. If the rumours are true and they get the S58 in the Supra with its lighter weight, it’ll be a monster.
We need to see a M240i vs M2 vid.
They won’t do it. The m240i is a much better car. Furthermore, for modded cars the m240i holds the record for the fastest bmw ever made. 7.96 quarter mile
Why are these guys crying about not having launch control in a manual car?
Yeah I never heard of launch control in a manual. I think I would go with the auto though since I would mostly daily it.
2:40 I am so OCD, I so wanted to pull out that really long forehead hair out of that guys head.😅
The styling of the Japanese is just epic in my eyes. But I have always been a jdm fan.
It’s a little too overwrought for me
But I do like the car and it does seem (according to consumer reports data) to be super reliable
It’s a bmw bro. Lmaooo. The GR86 is Japanese and looks way better.
@@AntilleanConfederation the body was styled by japanese designers as well. his name is Nobou Nakamura. lmao
@@AntilleanConfederationgr86 is slow af
@@kingvega666 yet fun and engaging. If speed is all you care about then I got news flash for you, fighter pilots are the fastest people on the planet. You’ll never be as fast. 🫵🏼🥲
I think both of these can be had with autos, would like to see that. Just to take the driver equation out of it. Also the non 45th anniversary edition, is $60k, so that bmw is $15k more!!!!
Also, the base 3.0 is 55k
g87 has the carbon package which is an extra 10k. if you skip that its still a 10k difference
Ugly vs Ugly. Ugly wins.
U drag should had added a slalmom course. It way to power dependent. I like the Supra
¿B58 VS S58? I think this is Pointless
.,.unless the B58 is tuned. Just a basic tune and downpipe would be enough to beat the M2.
@@AR_4Foglio Great. I didn't know that
When BMW designed that 3.0 I-6 with collaboration with Toyota, BMW wasn’t gunna be that stupid to give their rival better performance. Toyota really should’ve came up with their own powertrain for the Supra.
I don't think it's like that. It's just the M2 has the S58 and Supra has the B58. The Supra outperforms the Z4, so it's not BMW trying to make the Supra worse.
If Toyota designed a new I6 for the Supra, it would have been another financial disaster like the MKIV and only appreciated after it's discontinued.
Toyota is not gonna waste money on one car.
say whatever about the BMW, they still make amazing cars
Jonathan.... the Supra is not an inline 6 anymore... it's a b58 BMW V-6... so definitely not a spiritual successor of either the Z3 or the Supra MKIV... still a great car though.
Great race! I love both of these cars, but I lean to the GR Supra. :)
The Supra is clearly more conservatively tuned, such is the Toyota way...
I’m so glad the m2 won fairly convincingly…I’ve seen way too many people saying the Supra is basically as fast as
The 2021+ Supra is faster than the F series M2c/3/4, not G
@@rwac07 no it is not 😂
@@mogulme6190 I’ve had an F82, F80 M3C and the 22 Supra. I know through experience. There’s a video on Samcarlegion’s channel too if you refuse to believe it
You know BMW always lies about it's horsepower, and actually adds 53 hp. BMW is definitely a better performance buy. I bought a Roush Mustang and it has the Tremec Rev-Match, no Lift Shift, 3rd Fun Pedal 6 Speed Manual Transmission..MAgneRide Suspension, Intercooled Limited Slip Trosen Rear Differential. I prefer a Naturally Aspirated ( N/A) or SuperCharged V8
👩🏻🚀🤘🏻🏎🏎🏁🏁🚩🚩🌲🌲⛰⛰🧗🏻 V8's forever
I would take the regular Supra with ZF-8 speed please. Or hell a used C8 with z51 over either
These are the best races vs straight line. You get a chance to see how well straight line and cornering performs on cars. If that Supra was fine with even horsepower and torque, it would have won. Supra still didn't do bad.
M240 is the better matchup, and it will beat the Supra from a dig because of AWD. Also, the B58 is definitely underrated and dyno’s at around 406hp not the 382hp that BMW claims. I have a 2024 M240 and it’s a fantastic daily and very fast!
And yooo good call ain’t nobody actually own them act and sound like they know///////M2 all day//yall have fun in your whatever. Who knew we’d be in an era that bmw building Toyotas 😘
BMW vs BMW
German vs Germanese
Thanks for getting manuals.
Why for slower results
@@jaimatic23 No, for pure enjoyment. They know enthusiasts are more interested in manual cars.
Similar cost comparison is good you see what extra cost gets you or what's over valued.
MODEL S PLAID PLEASE with Carbon ceramics please against what ever cars you want to put it up against.
I wish the M2 wasn't so ugly.
Has any car lost the drag and beat the return?
Prices are not that similar. GR Supra 3.0 base is $54500 and the Premium is $58,550. The M2 starts @ $63k but if you want even basic luxuries like heated steering wheel and adaptive cruise you pay extra. And to unlock the full potential of the car you need to buy the "driver's performance package" for $2500 which basically unlocks the car's full potential and gives you a driving school ticket.
Crazy thing is the Supra beats the M2 0-60 handily every time because of the weight difference. Also worth noting the Supra is a track beast, beating the M2 by over a second even with all the extra power on tap with the M2.
The tire sizes listed here for the Supra are: 275/30/20 for the front and 345/25/21 on the rear. There's no freakin' way that Supra has that wide of a tire on the rear!
Anyhoooo, if I had to choose between these two cars, I guess I'd go with the Bimmer because I like it's styling a little more than the Supra's.
Either way, BMW wins...
Believe it or not supra does have launch control but you have to have the car in manual, but this is only for the ones with the ZF-8 transmission to my knowledge
That m2 is the least off putting beemer and it's still ugly as hell. Every manufacturer needs to fire everyone in the design department start fresh. Sharp ridiculous body lines on pleb cars like a Camrys are unnecessary. Give them some curves, like the Supra, instead of the nonsensical overly aggressive jagged lines and protrusions everywhere. It's bad enough that sedans and sports cars barely sell anymore because women control the majority of household spending, but does everything have to be so damn ugly? Apparently, they want ugly AF compact SUVs so they can sit up higher, then move their seatp to where they are eating the airbag and windshield. Modern aesthetics are hideous in every product imaginable
This race isn't fare😢 it should've been an m240i vs gr supra mk5 but even though I still prefer the old 2jz, Toyota should've renewed the 2jz in order to meet new emissions standards or just simple called it 3JZ😊😊😊!
The BMW Supra is a pice of 💩
Not really apples to apples, big HP disparity and a 10k price difference. Supra should be against the Z. Not too many other stick rear wheel drive cars, Mustang or Camaro maybe
Different story for you guys in the US for sure. But over here in Ozzy-land? No one bought the Supra. They're over $110,000aud second hand and I kid you not - I've seen maybe 3 different ones on the road.
why ??? you should have waited for the GR Supra ... which should share the engine with the M2... here that is totally unfair lol
BMW motors, especially M. Clearly map for higher boost in 3rd +. You can tell the engine is not fully uncorked until 3rd. It’s the same for every BMW M
Why does this channel have so much trouble with tires? The tires on the Supra are absurdly off spec. The front should be 255 and the rears should be 275. What the f*** is this 345 nonsense? Did no one notice that in the video? This is also the channel that had the lucid air on the 19-in little tiny scooter tires for mileage doing a performance test and then everyone around the internet clips it and thinks that's the performance
Did the 2024 Supra 0-60 get slower? Mine is the 2022 automatic and it easily did 3.8 seconds 0-60. Oh wait. Mine is automatics so maybe the automatic would’ve beaten the m2
What sad is Toyota just increased the price of the Supra by another $2k for the upcoming model year. No idea why the Supra costs so much money compared to the M2. Guessing it’s all Toyota greed
Not much to compare, its not really Toyota vs BMW, as the Supra has a factory M tuned engine. The M2 will always win in this race, similar weight, but way more top end HP.
I could’ve told you who would win that just based on specs however where the supra comes into its own is on a circuit not just one turn but several turns especially in transitions. I’ve seen a few comparisons on the track between these two and the supra is a better car . In a straight line it’s obvious which has a better power to weight ratio , physics don’t lie. Plus $10,000 gets you a lot of goodies in the supra.
I’m sorry guys, but this doesn’t make any sense. These cars don’t compete against each other. Why didn’t you just get the M240i both have B52engines?
8:42 - "this is a little faster"
9:47 - "it comes down to lifestyle choice"
Really?? 😂 Why review then? Why race?
There's a clear reason BMW gave the Supra the B58 and NOT the S58 engine. They did not want the Supra at a lower price point to outshine their M cars.
For me, both are unattractive, too heavy, and too expensive. I guess this is why I'm still in an 11 year old "underpowered" FR-S.
WTF. You are listing C8 Z06 wheel specs for the Supra. You're starting to rub us actual car enthusiasts the wrong way with all these mistakes.
auto vs auto would be an interesting race as well. feel like the 8 speed really takes the s58 to the next level. m2 is more nerfed with the manual when compared to Supra
Typo, supra tire size is not 345
I can’t stand the ugliness of both cars front ends. However the BMW is slightly better but both are terrible. Love the read and side of the Supra however.
Тойота дороже БМВ. Я хуею.
No sense in this vs comparison!! The M2 is was going to be the clear winner because of the power advantage. Thumbs Down!
How is the Supra on 345s and BMW on 285s that is Z06 size tires , now way the supra has all that tire and BMW has soo little .
345/25/21 tyres size on the supra is insane? Surely that can’t be right
Hmmm, tough choice. I like the convenience and functionality of the M2, but the Supra is more attractive.
M240i should be the competition. This is unfair (before i actually watched the video).
senior vheicle ?????????
mistakes in the size of the tire and now in the writing... could it be that no one checks before uploading the content?
GEN6 SS 1LE would beat either of these cars
Very cool? Any Camaro ss?
Zupra: still disappointing into 2024. Make your own car Toyota, we know you can do it....
Supra + mid pipe and tune. still below the m2's price
M2 plus the same. still more hp...
Okay so you have an M division engine built for extremes vs a non m division production engine….. okay next video
Its looking like on a track with lots of breaking the m2 would struggle.
The M2 for me, it comes in a convertible. The Supra cabin is too small with bad visibility.
Gotta hand it to the Supra. For having no launch control and less power, it stood with the M2 pretty well.
They always give Jonathan the most powerful car first, always..that bothers me.
M2 G87 vs W205 C63S coupe please ❤😊or a BMW M4 G82 VS W205 C63S 😊😊
Sorry not a huge bmw fan. I wish Toyota would have kept the Supra a Toyota.
Oh wow, the more expensive more hp & tq car did better. Who would of thought
I really like the M2 styling more and adding 20 more hp in 25 too. Although if they were to put that engine in the Supra it would be a beast. Heard they may offer x-drive for the M2 in 26 which would be awesome, but if it costs much more than the new one IDK.
The asian guy needs to be swapped for a driver mod.. Or literally anyone else..
Supra with an S58 would be incredible. My brother owns a 2022 Supra, and it's such a great car. BMW really knows their stuff, and make some awesome cars. Wish I could drive an M2 or an M4.
Next up M2 vs Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing. Would be a great matchup. Caddy is faster 0-60, same quarter mile, but not as grippy as the M2 on the hairpin turn. Both manuals and cost about the same.
BMW against BMW in essence! Also not a fair fight between BMW power trains.