FZone Co2 Generator 2.5L & 4L kit. Unboxing, Setup, Install and modification Video. DIY Co2 Formula
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- Here is a Product Unboxing, Setup, Install and Modification Video for the awesome FZone Co2 Generator.
This Video covers a detailed overview of all the parts included in the Fzone Gen kits. This video also covers Setup, Install and Modifications, & Tips and tricks for the Fzone Co2 kit. Running these systems for about 2 years straight now I really enjoy the ease of use and being able to make the Co2 at home . These kits are great for someone like me who cannot get traditional Co2 refills due to remote living Or for someone who loves to tinker. They are also great learning tools for kids and people who dont know about how Co2 works. They are affordable if you want to get into Co2.
I hope you all find this video informative and it helps you set up your Co2 system and get it up and running. Theres alot of information in this video, I would watch it first then watch it again while following along. Good luck and congrats on your Co2 Gens.
I did not cover usage details as those results will vary for each person based bubble count , tank size, tank health exc..
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Please join me for a standing ovation for the chemistry part of this video 👏👏👏
HAHA Thanks so much . I hope it helps everyone and clears up a few questions about amounts.
Thank you for the proper mixture.
@@ahxpluhh your very welcome! :) thanks for watching!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff I forgot to ask, how long will this last if you run it for 8 hours a day with 1 bubble per second?
@@ahxpluhh i think each person will have little bit different experience due to the ingredients ,but probably 2-3 months on average . Ive never timed it TBH but thinking about it ive probably filled them 3-4 times a year.
Awesome video. Very informative and easy to follow. Thank you.🙏
This is fantastic info - just ordered the 4 ltr to give it a try - have a fire extinguisher set up but wanted to give this a try on my smaller tank.... and would have used the wrong amounts otherwise. I really appreciate your video..cheers
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching and the comments!! Theres alot of mis-info out there for Co2 production - science tells us everything we need to know, so i dont understand where the other amounts come from.
@@JayRockDoesStuff This is exactly why i like youtube...just have to weed out the rubbish and you find great channels such as yours....all the best.
@@TurnFullCircle Thanks so much!! I look forward to your return ;)
Thank you so much for your video Jay. It gave me the confidence to purchase this, my first C02 system after 30 years of fish keeping, and to set it up successfully - without consulting the instructions. I have had it on the same timer as the light on my Juwel Rio 120, six hours a day, for four days and it is looking good.
Alan.. That is so Awesome to hear. Im so glad this video helped you do something out of your comfort zone. Just this one comment makes this entire video worth the time and effort to make. Thank you so much for taken a moment to leave me a message!! :) I appreciate you watching and wish you nothing but the best in everything you do!
Jay
This was super helpful setting up my system. Gave me the confidence to give this a try. Very informative.
Great to hear! Im glad ya are given it a go! ;)
I was literally just looking at these and your video got recommended 👍👍
Thats Fantastic! Thanks for watching and the comment! Hope ya found something to help ya out or just enjoyed the video!! :)
Great video! I'm a scientist and loved your approach
Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you watching and taken the time to comment. What kind of scientist are you? Ive always enjoyed science's. Ill have to do some Crystal grows now I know i have a few scientist here. Cyanide makes some awesome red crystals!
Seriously so helpful. I was really riding the struggle bus on figuring out how the solenoid connected because the nut was impossible to unscrew without pliers and I was convinced I was doing something wrong. Just needed something stronger than my fingers.
Hey MerryMary! Glad this helped ya get it figured out! I appreciate ya coming by and watching!!
Well done! Very informative 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you!
Thanks for the video and all the tips. Easy to understand, and I follow all your recommendations with my new setup
Fantastic to hear your about 2 weeks in and i bet your seeing plants grow faster!1 Thanks for chiming in and watching my Video :)
Interesting ratio of CA & SB. I'll try it next time and see if it helps. Also, screwing the regulator back on quickly is the hardest part. Until you get the feel for it, I recommend practicing screwing it on multiple times 'til you can get in on quick. Then do it with the bottle filled.
Heeey thanks for stopping by, This formula is based on science to get max use out of your materials. :) I hope it helps you and good advice! :)
I truly enjoyed your video. Thank you for explaining, so thoroughly, all the steps. Hope you make a Chihiros WRGB2 Slim App Demo 🤣 Love the light, but can’t seem to find anyone who explains how to use App well 😆
Hey Marco thanks for coming by, watching and the comments. Glad this helped you. I would make one but i dont have a Chihiros. I would love to own one of those lights. unfortunately my pocket book has not gone that direction yet. :) but ya never know.. If i get one ill def keep in mind about the video for you . :) :)
This is hands down the best video I have seen on this kind of Co2 generators, thank you very much for taking the time to make and share this awesome video with us. I purchased a 5.5lb CLSCEA canister thanks to this video and I'm very excited to try some Co2 in my planted thank. Can someone who is better at math than I am please help me figure out what would be the best mix ratio for a 5.5lb canister? Thank you in advance!
Hey andre, I appreciate ya coming by here. did you mean a 5.5 Lit. LBS would be for a fill that you would get at a shop, they run in lb. so it sounds like your can is set up for a traditional system if you ment lbs. if it is a DIY set up im not sure what the lbs translates to in materials as i do not have a way to know other then the gauges that set on the tank after the reaction. if it is a DIY set up i would consult the maker of the unit. Hope that helps and sorry i was not able to get to your question sooner. Good luck
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Does that generator have a two stage regulator so working pressure can be adjusted? I see two gauges but not a way to adjust pressure. The needle valve doesn't adjust pressure.
Hey @Cat Thanks for the question . Its 1 stage regulator BUT hear me out... with DIY Co2 Im not sure Ive ever seen a 2 stage regulator that wasnt homemade. a working pressure adjustment adjust the pressure the regulator handles. In a diy system those pressures dont exceed 600 psi. so the regulator just puts it out on the higher end of things setting at almost 50 psi output. untill the pressure in the tank is below 50psi. meaning your due for a refill anyway and you dont need to adjust the working pressure. The needle valve adjust the OUTPUT pressure to your diffuser so you just need to figure out what your bubble count you need for your tank on THIS system is and you can either buy a co2 testing kit or use a co2 bubble inside your tank to measure. With that said the pressures inside a conventional liquid co2 system solely depends on temp. as the liquid warms it expands into a gas and those pressures can get up to like 1600 psi.. thats why you need a working pressure adjustment as 1600 psi would probably blow the regulator, needle valve, disc off the diffuser and your fish out the water. if that makes sense. IF your running a conventional system stick with it if you can get fills and can afford the system itself. DIY Co2 is aimed at people who can not get conventional system refills - remote living- people who like to tinker and people who are just getting into Co2. it sounds like your past the beginner stages BUt this system would Def work for you in a pinch if you couldn't get a fill or your regulator broke and you needed to span the time between equipment changes that sort of thing this system is a great back up and even fun to just run on a less serious tank for fun! Hope that helps answer your question and shed some light onto DIY Co2 - lemme know if i can help any further.
Brilliant presentation! Should I put piano music on when installing my kit? 😂 One question: is the only difference between the 2.5 ltr and 4 ltr the lenght of time Co2 will be produced? Or is it pressure related? I have a 125 ltr tank - which kit would be the most appropriate? TIA 😊
Hello Petek!! Thanks for coming by and watching and the nice comments and questions. I appreciate you being here with us! To Answer your Questions, The difference between the 2.5 and the 4L is strictly volume inside the can and how many times you will be refilling it. for your 125 L i would suggest using the 4L can. each fill will last you probably around 3-4 months of use before needing to refill depending on how fast ya get that cap on after pouring the water hahahaha - I hope that helps ya!! :) Enjoy!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thanks. I'd ordered the 2.5 ltr but have now upgraded to the 4 ltr 😁
@@petek7822 I truly think you'll be much happier with the 4L tank considering the size. the 2.5 L is a great unit, but i wouldn't want to run it on anything bigger then say a 75 liter tank.
@@JayRockDoesStuff I've now set up my 4 ltr tank. I'm very excited. What a sad life I lead 😅
@@petek7822 Congrats!! Im glad you gave it a try!! Alot of people wont even try because of the bad story's or they dont think they can. Im super happy my video gave you the confidence to be able to run Co2!! ;) cheers my friend!!
Sorry which of the 2 ingredients to add first? Is not mentioned in the video but I have to say that this video is really goooood! Thanks 😊
Hey thanks for the comments to answer your question. The reaction starts so fast that it really dosnt matter the order, but if you wanted to get tech.. the soda is the fizz so I'd say put that in first so the acid gives you a .00001 sec buffer ...lol just gotta be quick with getting that top screwed on , make sure to fit it before hand.
Thank you very much. Just another question as I am setting it up now. Shall I use regular tap water or RO water? Thank you
freeze the water inside first
@@YadiraMartinez-yw6kr I did this and it worked
I have the larger system. I used the supplied ratio 600+600+900 and overnight it reached 500psi and tripped the safety valve. It’s slowed down now but still leaking. All the way back to 350 psi currently 🤦🏼♂️
Is this your first time using it? If so, either you mismeasured your ingredients or you might have a loose safety valve, meaning it's poping prematurely. If this your first time. I would reach out to who you bought it from and explain and see what they say.
@@JayRockDoesStuff first setup, prv is faulty it's still leaking 🤦
@xplore7359 reach out to who ever you bought it from they should have a fix for you. These valves don't t go bad to often but if you have a bad one you want that replaced. Hope it gets fixed up for ya.
I forgot to put the filter in! Can I use it without the filter? I really don’t want to waste all of the reaction I just made! Please let me know asap! And thank you in advance!!
The filter keeps the regulator from getting anything in it or crystalizing . if you forgot and i was you id probably run the cycle and hope nothing happens and get it put in there as soon as possible. Id also take EXTRA care to not tip it or get any of the liquid inside near the regulator, not having the filter in there could be damaging. ITs really your choice at this point to either lose the fill and get it put in there to ensure your regulator doesn't get damaged or risk it and hope nothing happens and be able to use the fill.. im not sure theres a positive answer either way ...
@JayRockDoesStuff Hey, thanks so much for this video! I have a diy kit that I purchased from a hydroponic store here in the U.K. It’s a 12l cylinder and the instructions on mine say 1.62kg of citric and 1.8kg of bicarbonate of soda (haven’t got the instructions to hand so can’t remember the water amount) but my question is, am I right in thinking that I can multiply your 4L quantities by 3 to get the correct ratio for my 12L kit that I have?
Thanks in advance!
Hello - sorry for the late reply.Ive got somethings ive been dealing with here. But to answer your question .. the short answer is yes. The calculation in the video is for " Maximum " Co2 output for the ingredients to use them. the variable for you would be the system, Can the system handle max output or have they purposefully altered the ingredients for their system pressures. I would assume you have a pressure relief on a system that big?!?! You dont wanna play around with a 12l system thats a big tank and the reaction is gonna happen very fast. so make sure you have your ducks in a row before you filler up. Hope that helps you .
@@JayRockDoesStuff Hey thank you and no need to apologise! Yes it has a pressure relief valve on it. I think what i’ll do is stick to the instructed amount of citric acid and do the calculation of bicarbonate to that. Hope you get everything sorted and thank you again!
How long would you expect one batch of materials in the 4L tank to last on a 75 gallon tank, at 1 bubble/second? Trying to get a sense of how often I would need to refill the tank. Appreciate the detailed video!
Hey Ninjaflex, I think youll need to run a lil more then 1 bubble per second.. but that will also depend on your flow in your tank and how it disperses the Co2 if you have good flow around the tank 1 bubble might be sufficient. BUT to answer your question. MY tank literally just died from the day i made this video and i run 2-3 bubbles a sec. so assuming you could run 1 bubble and get the results you want id say between 3-4 months . so 3-4 time a year. it lasts quite a long time if you run it everyday for say 8 hours a day , and ill say theres been some days mine has been on for longer so you should def get 3 solid months from 1 fill for sure , 4 months + if you run it light. Hope that helps :) thanks for watching!
Hello, a very big thanks for your helpful guide. I've ordered the 4l bottle. I totally agree with your results for 600g citric acid / 786g sodium bicarbonate. After 24h, I have 350psi inside the bottle. It seems to be high and over the green area. Is it a problem or not? I've also found where is the mistake between the 2 differents informations for the composition. If I am right, the 600/600 written of the top of the bottle is not gramm but liter. Can you confirm my work. Because it's clearly more simple to use the graduate glasses inspite of the weighted balance? Now I just need to connect the system in my tank and see if it's a good ;)
Hello Christopher. thanks for the comments and questions and stopping by to watch! To Answer your questions, As long as your Pressure relief valve does not pop open you are ok on pressure, That valve will pop open if there becomes to much pressure in the tank. its ok if its over the green area - mine usually stops around 400 or a little after. The way weve set up the Acid and Sodium were getting a maximum reaction with the materials we put into the tank, so theres very little waisted material. your thought about the liters is incorrect- 600 liters would be about 159 gallons of material.. thats incredibly to much . IF you look in the instructions it will give you a different formula like 600/800 - so thus is the reason Ive used Science mole numbers to create the proper formula for maximum Co2 Production. Hope this helps you . Enjoy your Co2 Kit!
Oh m'y god, I have made à big mistake. It wasn't liters but ml...
So maybe it's better like this😉🤣.
Thanks again for your reply and your very helpfull video 🥰
You think this could work in a 4x4 grow tent
I wish i could tell you yes but i have 0 experience with grow set ups and what they need or work with . Sorry. :(
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Скажите пожалуйста у меня балон 2 литра
300гр лимонной кислоты
300гр соды
400мл воды
В каких количествах мне нужно заправлять мой генератор (балон)
Чтобы получить качественный СО2
И не опасно ли это для балона?Если прибавить соды.
Thanks for your question. I used translate to understand what your saying, so hopefully this helps you. For every 1 gram of citric acid you use , you will need 1.3 grams of baking soda for max Co2. so if you use 100 grams of citric acid, you will use 130 grams of Baking soda, so based on what you have you will use 230 grams of citric acid and the 300 grams of baking soda with your water. Hope this helps you.
@@JayRockDoesStuffСпасибо дружище.🤝
Обязательно попробую ваш метод.
excuse me, once the cylinder is finished and therefore the system needs to be recharged, can I recharge and immediately insert co2 or do I have to wait 24 hours for the complete reaction to take place? Thank you
thanks for the video, I used your advice and it lasted me a month without wasting any ingredients
Hey thanks for the comments. You do not have to wait. Once you've got the cap on really well you can use it. the majority of the reaction will take pace in the first 24 hours although it will continue to make co2 at much slower levels inside once the majority of the reaction is done. Hope that helps some.
@@alebaratto1262 What size is your co2 container and what size is your fish tank? and how many bubbles per second are you using. That seem a lil short time wize unless your usen a small unit on a big tank. .. my 4L last about 3-4 months. .So your 1 month seema lil short, you might check for leaking with soap& water sprayed on all the joints to see if they leak by showing it bubbling.
@@JayRockDoesStuff you helped me a lot, thank you
@@alebaratto1262 Your Very welcome ;)
at what point do you know to refill the tank? when the pressure is 0? If so, do you just untighten the cap off of the tank and do the citric acid + baking soda solution?
Thats a great question @rektful - and YES basically. Over the month or 2 or even 3 or 4 depending on your use .. youll see the gauges drop to 0 or close to 0 - More importantly you wont be able to put anymore Co2 into the tank at a stable level.. meaning your drops per sec are not constant. At that point- Disconnect the Co2 line at the bubble counter and open the valve all the way to let the rest of the Co2 out so the bottle is all the way empty of any gases . At that point you can disconnect the solenoid power cord and twist off the cap to empty and re-fill. Just make sure to clean the threading on the bottle really good and test fit the cap again to make sure the threads are smooth. Hope that helps. good luck!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff 2 more questions:
if there where a power outage, the solenoid doesnt get power which in turn co2 wont be injected to the tank, is this correct or wrong?
2nd question, I'm pretty paranoid in the thought of co2 killing my fish, I've researched something called "End of tank dump" where co2 drops below a certain pressure where the regulator cannot even regulate. As a result in releases a huge burst of co2 at once which can gass out the fish. Is this a concern for this kit? Should I be worried about it?
@@rektful Sorry for the late reply- I had written a lengthily response right after you had asked this and You Tube Glitched and erased my entire response- I haven't had time to come back to this untill now. This is a great few questions and the fact your doing your own research before you get into this. Yes the power outage would turn OFF the Co2- this can be undone by removing the solenoid and attaching the bubble counter to the needle valve if you needed Co2 without power. The End of the Tank dump is a very real thing and im glad youve read about it. With that said- Ive never experienced dump in my Gens - but 2 things you can do to avoid this.. 1 pay attention to your levels- when it gets low dump it yourself and refill it so its a controlled dump and nothing is wasted. The other thing is the dump kills tanks that run it really lean - meaning they are running it to the brink before gassing out fish in general so the dump just send it over board. I run my Co2 on the lower end. so if my tank were to dump.. i dont think it would effect my tank to much. I haven't heard of any gens dumping so it might be isolated to the bigger regulators on a regular system. but always run on the side of caution. Hope this helps and answers your questions ;) Have an awesome weekend!!
@@rektful also get you a Co2 drop checker so you know what your levels are in the tank put it on the oposing side of the tank from the diffuser so you know where the entire tank sit. when it goes from blue to green youve put enough co2 in
Hello mister, i have a question. What if i don't want to use a timer and just close it and open it manually? Is it possible to skip the solenoid part and not install it at all or i still have to add it on the bottle?
Hello @Tasos_ . Thanks for watching and great question . The answer is yes. If you would not like to use the solenoid the Bubble counter can connect directly to the needle valve And be controlled that way. However IF you choose to do that the input of Co2 will differ from day to day based on where your needle valve is. I would suggest timing your bubbles per second like a beat of a song, so you know your outputting the same amount each day. Hope this answers your question and helps you out!!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thank you very much. So the biggest disadvantage if I remove the solenoid part is that I will have to adjust manually the bubble counter and make sure it will dose the same amount of Co2 every time i open it.
@@JayRockDoesStuff Also i have another question. I found another Co2 sustem like this one but smaller with the bottle only 1 litre which is fine for me since i have only a 10 gallon planted tank. And it doesnt have the solenoid part and some other stuff that dont actually need but it also doesn't have a safery valve. And that's make me a bit worried. Is there a chance these things to explode or something? how important is the safety valve? Thank you again for helping me. You are amazing :)
@@Tasos_ If im being honest with you - The safety valve In MY opinion is probably the most important thing on the unit. IF you want to run a Co2 without a safety valve I would suggest you lookin to another method Like Sugar and yeast in a 1 liter pop bottle and save yourself a ton of money on even buying a unit and just empty a pop bottle. hook a hose and diffuser. to it and it will produce Co2 and put it directly in your tank at a much slower level. Citric acid CO2 causes a reaction that disperses a gas at a high rate of speed into the canister and pressure is built very quickly. Without a safety valve you Risk an explosion from that pressure- a safty valve ensures that will never happen. Better Safe then sorry!! However... with that said. a 1 liter bottle will not last you as long as yould think or like. I would suggest you get the biggest bottle you can afford and have room for regardless of the size of tank you plan to run it on. One of the biggest detraction's from DIY Co2 is having to do refills to often and if you have a small tank you will find yourself running out of Co2 alot and that will turn you off from Co2 and not give your tank the best results because you will have days where your tank is not being ran because you need to refill over and over. I hope this help you understand more, please keep researching till you know what your getting into here and feel comfortable with it. I think its important to compare units to one another so you can make a good decision when you buy. I am very happy with the FZone gens i have been running for a few years now and would recommend them to you and i dont offer recommendations lightly. hope this helps you . :)
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes it helped me a lot. Thanks for all the info my friend. I will search about the more simple method with sugar and yeast and if i don't like it i will buy Fzone Co2 sustem. Thanks again for your time.
What is the total height from the bottom of the canister the top of the bubble counter?
I have no problem helping you with that , What one were you wanting the measurements of the 2.5 or 4L?
Both 2.5L and 4L please and thank you! @@JayRockDoesStuff
@@TheJumzcampollo 4L- 23.25 in. 2.5L -21.25 in
Hope that helps you :)
Thank you so much!@@JayRockDoesStuff
why when i got this and filled it do i have gas coming out of the little hole on the regulator ?
Nick- Thanks for watching the video and the question . TBH -Im not sure, I dont think that is normal. If im not mistaken , those are venting holes.. Maybe you got a bad regulator. I would contact Fzone or the company you got it from and see what they say. Ive never experienced this or herd of it.
thank you for the reply, they are sending me a new regulator out, should i say there getting a 5 star review aslong as the new one works. what would you say the bubble output should be for a 4ft 360L tank ? planted well.
@@JayRockDoesStuff
@@nickraynor2434 you output will vary from mine.. due to position of your airator in the tank and set up, your light and other factors. Get yourself a drop checker. This will tell you when your tank has hit optimum Co2 with a color change of the liquid. To help you understand where it needs to be, Start with 1 bubble per second and see how you tank handles that , if its not enough bump it up from there. Use the drop checker to your advantage. I run about 1-2 a sec in a 40 gal breeder with med to high lights I also feed my tank liquid ferts like niloc G or easy green usually weekly
But just play with it and when your tank is doing well leave it alone :)
hope you get all figured out. lemme know if i can help anymore ;)
great video. I just got one. Question: can I connect to solenoid to any timer?
@JP- yeah!! as far as i know! The timer just controls when the solenoid gets power or not. you dont need anything fancy but what ever you have should work as long as it controls power on and off. :) Thanks for watching and hope this helped you get set up and get goin! ;) good luck!
@@JayRockDoesStuff Thank you! you should make more videos related to aquariums. You are good at explaining.
@@JP-vb4ky - Im gonna try to do some general aquarium stuff.. in my fish room as i always have something going on. I would like to do more unboxing and setup / modification videos. But when it comes to like telling someone how to say maintain their tank or how to grow plants or how to medicate fish exc.. like logistics of fish keeping, Ive found there are several ways to achieve the end goal and those processes have been evolving for years and years and years and so what works for me may not work for you so ill probably stay away from those types of videos when it comes to fish keeping. But i would love to do more product testing for aquatic company's and unboxings for sure! thanks for the nice comment i appreciate that!
Where can I find this regulator?
Fzaqua dot com or on amazon under Fzone - hope that helps , sorry for the late reply i have somethings going on .
I think you made a mistake with reading the mixture instructions. I have the 4 liter kit and in the instructions it says 600-800g citric acid + 600-800g sodium bicarbonate + 900-1200ml water = CO2. With other words you can put 600 till 800 grams of EACH inside the kit and not 600 A and 800 B like you say. Its pretty easy if you use the standard grams. but in theory it is possible to put 782 gram of both in the kit, only thing you need to do is work out the water volume for that mass. But why would you? Just use 800 + 800 + 1200
Re watch the video. The Calculation is for MAXimum Co2 production is based on science not a label.
@@JayRockDoesStuff Yes i know, the calculation is something i didnt know and is good to hear. But i was talking about what you said and showed about the standard mixing instructions. You said there 600 A and 800 B, but i was just pointing out that my "manual" said 600 till 800 gram for both and 800 - 1200 ml water.
@@Ray47nl Right and if you look at the label under the top of the container itll say something different , so how do you know how much to put in ? the answer is what i explained in the video.. you can calculate for more water/mass if you'd like. The water is just what activates the materials that react inside. if you were to put 800 and 800 yould have material that never gets used inside wasted like 40 grams of waste.. so this is why i gave the calculation for co2 based on science. so you can either add material to used the wasted 40 grams or subtract the 40 grams out.. If that makes more sense hopefully?