Daniel Negreanu Says More Rake Is BETTER?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2016
- Daniel Negreanu is a big believer in trickle-down economics. Selfish pros have been complaining about the cancellation of player rewards, rake increases, and many other unpopular changes since Amaya acquired Pokerstars. They just don't understand the complex nuances like Daniel does.
Doug explores this issue with an open mind, trying to understand where Daniel is coming from when he insists that nickeling and diming players is great for the poker ecosystem. But the quest to eradicate pros is in direct contradiction to the amateur's dream of some day climbing up the ladder.
Many low stakes players imagine themselves sitting shoulder to shoulder with the legends of the game on the set of High Stakes Poker or in the World Series of Poker Main Event, maybe even the Big One for One Drop, staring down Phil Ivey, Dan Colman, Tom Dwan, and Phil Hellmuth. But with increasingly unbeatable games, that dream is dying.
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WAR IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
RAKE IS GOOD FOR PLAYERS.
I enjoyed your '1984' meme.
Павел Чекмарёв How I learned to stop worrying and love the rake
@@vincentolmos2263 Rake Farm
Humans are intelligent🥴
Democratic Platform & DN’s 😀
Doug, this is the net result from a lack of competition/options in the online poker world. This monopoly that Poker Stars has is obviously not good for the game.
Agree this creates a lot of problems. The issue is that it is very hard to create a new site in today's climate (although I do with Phil Galfond the best of luck). I hope this is less of an issue down the road but who knows.
Said by a commie who doesn’t believe in capitalism, go work your 9-5 and stop crying you freak
Doug Polk: A TRUE MAN OF THE PEOPLE. Appreciate your integrity and hope that you hold on to that when you're massively famous and being paid millions in sponsorship money
+mtrau86 I got you fam
Appreciate your way to humiliate the most overrated player in the world... See you in june...
Polk for President, for sure better EV for USA then the two donkeys Trump and Clinton...
Where does he say he doesn't give to charity?
Cant find that on the net.
Would be bad if true, but can't find the evidence?
You clearly didn't watch the entire video dipshit
That's weird. I didn't realize I hate Daniel Negreanu.
He's entertaining to watch play, but he is a bit of douche in terms of personality.
@@24magiccarrot I think his point went over all your heads, and the guy on the video also. From the AVERAGE PLAYERS Perspective its better to play with HIGHER RAKES because the better players stay away and thus the AVERAGE PLAYERS can just swap their monies around {NOT LOSE to the better players} and pay the RAKE and go home basically with what they started with, minus the rake, and they all had fun.....BUT.....If the had the top players in the Game, they would lose their asses.
Now, while I think Daniel is just bull shitting, and the rake will not stop a pro from taking Donkeys money, I think hes smoked a little too much weed and had one of his DEEP THOUGHTS on the shitter and came out and went with it. But, it was not throwing off on anyone.
@@MrRondonmon Pokerstars Shill. I'm glad you're happy people paying hand over fist just to play a game.
he neither but it was kind of obvious. self centered and never shuts up during a pot
:,D never liked him..
higher rake= higher wages for Negreanu. so of course its a good thing!! Kappa
4:00 was so savage
Negreanu made an excellent point. 5 years ago, winning players took money from losing players. So the obvious fix is to make everyone a losing player. Please increase the rake to 15% asap.
lost so much respect for daniel here, what the fuck is he talking about LOL
funny video nevertheless
Used to be a fan, but now it's pathetic to listen to that bullshit.
And gained a ton for Doug, he is spot on here. Daniel's head is lodged firmly up his ass.
Eric Cartman he gets so much money from stars. He wants to agree with stars and not be against.
he's the same guy who supported killary, what do you expect
Fantastic video. Nailed every point. That is what an embassador is! Someone who speaks out for the players. Not someone like sellout DNegs.
+João Gil Thanks as always dude :)
João Gil 👀
Poker community should decide to find a better representative, Negreanu had his time for years. Doug Polke can easily drive this market forward.
Doug you're the man. I legitimately feel happiness whenever I see new uploads from you. The dark/ironic kind of humor of yours hits your audience perfectly (i mean, look at likes and comments on EVERY UPLOAD). This (together with the "Fedor Holz best player ever?" Polkernews) must be your funniest one yet, and still you deliver the message to all who just takes whatever the most winning player ever as the truth.
+QuestKing Thanks dude, glad to hear my hard work isn't going unnoticed!
yeah, waiting for the next doug episode, is like waiting for the next season of The Walking Dead to start.
this is legitimately the funniest video you've ever made.
+Blaine Toms Thanks Blaine! Trying to embrace the platform and get a little more creative
well youre doing it right man
+Doug Polk He talks lots of bs on several podcasts, maybe even watch the joe ingram one & make a vid about that.
Nice video with the bad reg tag round Mercier on the pokerstars team pro list, very well done.
Jcarver on that list
By polarizing the game as he says you basically kill the dream of starting low and climbing the ladder cause no one starts very good. One thing that always made poker very interesting for most players was that you could make some money or at least not lose much in the beginning/middle of that learning process. So this good environment he is mentioning tends to make it almost impossible to become good from the scratch.
Doug's videos are the perfect combination of poker knowledge and comedy.
ive noticed from playing Zoom as my main game this year that in 0.5/1 there are wayyyy less regs. before there were a bunch of average regs and some fish and some better regs, but I think a lot of players quit at the start of the year- as Doug said these would be the rakeback grinders making like 15-20k a year. in the past few years ive probably made around 20k per year so basically I had to either quit or work harder and be better than the other regs, its going well now I'm doing v well at 1/2 zoom.
however, the 0.50/1 zoom game is now far softer than the last 1 or 2 years, ton of fish in the pool and very low % regs. cos I now think that for a lot of players you cant make a living off of .5/1, and for someone who plays after work or at weekends and is small winning player it may be a bit too high of a buy in for them to grind 4 tables.
so now its just mostly fish with some regs, most likely (no offence intended) from countries where the living wage is lower and thus they can still make a decent living.
but 1/2 is the total opposite its like all the regs have moved there, some have moved down from 2.5/5 cos of the rake and rakeback changes and others have moved up from .5/1 so they can have a wage good enough to live from. so, again, I had to just work very hard to be one of the better regs and since then ive had good results. however, some times, especially during the day time in the UK, the games can be very dry so usually there's not much point playing then unless you're busy later on and want to get in some hands. don't get me wrong, at night the games can be very good though.
and its kinda weird some days the games are softer at 2.5/5 than 1/2, cos a lot of the better regs at 500nlZ just totally quit it seems at the end of the year. players such as: Wizardofodds, Sipinho, Cipple. cant think of others off the top of my head but Wizardofodds would literally be grinding every single time, regardless of time of day, in 500z pool. most likely going for SNE. then him and others go from that to just quitting cold turkey. I respected their grind. thanks Stars...
so now the pools like some guys who've kinda came from nowhere and moved up, some decent regs, but definitely not the best ones, and then fish and you get a decent amount of MTT players, especially the high stakes ones, who play and are deff good for the game if you're a reg :P
hopefully i'll be at 500z by the end of the year, but as a 23 yo I don't think there's really any point in trying to go further than that, games above 2.5/5 have ZERO RAKEBACK and consist of a bunch of the best reg's battling each other 3 handed, hoping a fish will join, and then the tables fills with scummy seat scripters (I have never used one.) then as soon as the fish leaves (usually busts) the game just insta ends cos the bum hunting seat scripters leave and then the best regs don't wanna play vs each other cos the rakes too high and no RB so prob -EV for them all to play in (3 handed I mean.) only reason its +EV to play 3 handed with good regs is cos fish may join, so it guarantees them a seat. or unless you're OTB...
so yeah, once I hit 2.5/5 there's prob zero point in trying to go any further, which makes me sad :(:(
stop killing the dream Stars!!
holy mother fucking line of text. by far the longest comment on TH-cam I've ever seen. there is a such thing as a line break... I will demonstrate for you, since apparently you don't know the concept.
see?!? magic! now go ahead and do yourself a favor and try that technique out next time you decide to write a novel in the comment section. fuckin wanker. lmao
JonnyCUBA ! Yeah agreed, earlier on in the day even the 100nl pools can have just over 100 players. Even last year at most times it would be over 200.
And 500z sometimes only has 20 odd players... Bad times :(
cool story bro!
hahaha doug is crushing the poker broadcasting game too. This was hilarious! thx Doug!
I love how you straight up share your thoughts with us doug :). I really appreciate your well deliberately opinions on facts like these. Keep those videos coming!
Did you literally had me dying when you turn to the side and said what u believed in and the background music and u even topped it off with the red white and blue lol I'm dying
Lol, great points. Love the whiteboard in the background too that just says, "News" - haha.
Damn Doug, your vídeos are the best. keep the good work.
Putting Daniel in the same category as Trump is going to trigger him.
Oh interesting I never thought of it like that
"Team pro that are good winning regs...oooohhh!"
You are epic at the sarcastaball.
Superb content day in, day out. Easily the best TH-cam-channel there is. Keep on crushing it
I`m gonna be honest with you. I dont like you that much as a person but I do think you are one of the best players there is. And seeing a guy like you (who is one of the few people who will probably benefit from the rake increase) making a video like this just makes me so goddamn happy. It really takes guys like you to step up to things like this to make an actual change. Thank you and keep up the good work!
All i can say doug is, HURRY UP PHIL GALFOND!! great job as always. Quicky became 1 of my favorite YT Chanels!
Rake in Poker is like Taxation in real life. Both kill the dream.
Except taxes goes back to the people, the rake is going to greedy companies.
I live in Scandinavia, and we have free education, free healthcare, and help for the people who CANT work 100 pct (most people would like to have a job and a good salary, but the health denies them that).
USA is a shame when it comes to taking care of its own average citizens, not only the priveledged people and powerful companies.
We dont die in the ambulance while they are trying to figure out if we have insurance here, or while they are figuring out what hospital can take us (insurance again) - we all get the same good threatment.
BTW: what democracy denies a party to excist (the communist party)? A country that is obsessed with money and wealth while being the poorest country in the world when we take national debt into acount.
No, the rake gives you a poker room to play in...
Robert Sørensen You're a greedy company =)
Piotr Dembowy I meant high rake and high taxes obviously but high taxes is much worse because the government is threatening me with jail if i don't pay and we're all born into governments!
Vote Bernie Sanders. Pokerstars has just destroyed the middle class. What a microcosm.
so fun players like paying more rake lol...but pros dont lol...and its actually better lol...this is probably the dumbest poker related statement ever
If at least Poker Stars had a decent reke back system...
nice vid, keep up the good work!
Best video I've seen from you yet, Doug. Great work.
Were is the video link so we can listen to his comments in full?
Awesome video, never subscribed to anybody so you're the first, think you earned it very innovated and fun to watch. love the rounders commentary as well, one of my all time favorite movies. Keep up the great work!
Sorry I just lost focus at the beginning. HARRY HAXTON is just too savage.
love it, almost peed myself at the "lets cut the winning team pokerstars regs....oh" part
Love the content Doug. Please post more Poker Hands!
The whiteboard illustration really pushed it over the edge for me, thanks
Doug what do you think about bet online ag poker? Being the one site that the U.S can play online? I'd love to hear your feedback on this.
Came back to watch this for the memories. I've said for a while now that there should be a drinking game in which you take a sip anytime Daniel says "right?" This video (or the one shown in it) would send you to the ER.
Great video man, love your look on all of this and more important of all your honest about this and your opinion. Keep winning, shipping and keep up the good work Doug!
Great video. Awesome sense of humor, please keep it up! saying hi from Sweden from an old poker "pro" :)
7 years later this is still amazing
@Doug Polk: Is it worth it at all to play cash games as a pro on stars? I am thinking about leaving but haven't tested any other sites in many years.
love the chair man... could you tell us which mark and model? I wana buy one just like it. Thanks in advance :)
i'm not playing on stars atm, by how much was the rake raised?
Hey Doug, thoughts on WSOP me player Will Kassouf and his table talk? (idea for a video maybe)
Doug Polk for President :)))
Its close before xmas and i enjoy watching all your videos.Is like present to me .Keep the good job man,cheers.
Funny Stuff brah, I have been enjoying watching your vids Doug. Mahalo from Hawaii!
amazing video keep up bro its very funny
Ur sarcasm is unbeatable lmao
If you look at Daniel's twitter you'd already know he's delusional.
I'd just say he's biased. He might even know he's talking bs, but has to do it, because PS sponsor him.
Not delusional, just being paid millions of dollars to lie. Everything he does is advertising.
pokerstars is paying dnegs to support pokerstars til the end, sounds like full tilt all over again
I think DN has stakes in pokerstars he's been with the company since the beginning.
Let me see if I have this straight. According to Negreanu, higher rakes are GOOD for the game because the pros will go somewhere else (i.e. where they can make a profit by beating the rake)? So, the pros leave because they can't beat the rake, but the amateurs are better off with the higher rake?
I love this vid Doug. As an unbacked MTT/SNG regular I have been suffering since FPP became Dildocoin, Amaya cancelling the 1 million quarterly freeroll, no more bonusses for reaching supernova... You are absolutely right. The poker dream is slowly becoming more and more impossible because Amaya doesn't care about it's customers. The whole point is they wouldn't be as big as they are now, without the regulars. It's just a matter of time until pokerstars dies. You can clearly see it's becoming more and more inactive and the MTT schedule is like a graveyard compared to what it was.
Daniel, I'm one of your fans. You are an amazing poker player. I have lost a lot of respect for you atm. You don't need to defend PS rake increases... we all know they give you your payroll... so surely you don't mind it if they increase their rake. Maybe a little bonus for you? The rich get more rich... what an absolute joke this site has become!
RIP pokerstars.
haha love the tuff fish "for christ sakes" @ 13:50
The mohawk is really on "point" this video Doug!
What is this Negreanu interview called? Where I can find it?
Polk, u are one of the few that still doesnt lie, thanks.
By the way, can you make a video about the new European market that should be instituted for 2017?
dag i become big fan of u "_) keep going bro... i was wondering what poker platform u prefer playing from Europe?
Coming back to this after Doug is a part owner of a club that runs monthly $500+100 tournaments💸
I think its pretty well documented at this point that Negreanu has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to 95%+ of things in online poker
He does talk out of his ass quite regularly.
Also Doug, you can move near me and clean up at these live games 2-5k a week easy....David Bach just ATE around here for a while, I learned to avoid playing hands with him (especially mixed games) quickly. Lots of players just loved having a "famous" pro to play with and didn't care tho. He also sold WSOP action to some of us. Luckily I didn't buy a piece this year.
The Casino nearest Negreanu's home has a great craps game I love. Players don't just lose on a 7,
they lose on all the odd numbers. It's fantastic fun. You should try it! The Bacarrat games have a commission for BOTH Banker AND Player! I think it's the best Bacarrat innovation I've ever seen!
so.. what poker site do you recommend?
so what site do you play on everyone?
Laughed quite a bit, good job. I am glad you are vocal about this.
I think that one important thing lot of people forgetting is that it is just not us vs them (pros vs recs). There are lot of formats where pros are playing other pros on regular basis (sadly HU is one bumhunting bullshit and should be punished a lot, its just true, regs are not playing each other nearly as much as in other games, like it or not). 6m hypers regularly keep running with 5 regs and one fish (same as 6m CG)!
So its not like you need huge amount of recreationals to keep these games running.
Yes if you increase rake to ridiculous level, just fishes will play, BUT they will be loosing hard.
So is the "pokerstar" dream still real? Well, it is, but sadly on other sites than PS nowadays.
I absolutely dont buy the argument that higher rake protect beginners. Thats BULLSHIT. I believe there are many other ways to do so.
I wonder how many players would not even play the game, if they would know that they are paying 8% rake on 1USD spin and some pro is paying 5% rake on 100USD spin and what does it actually mean for your winrate.
great video!!! respect for honesty
You've got a talent for humor dude !
Hehe. I drop in to see this once in a while. Gets me in a good mood, for some reason. I have stopped playing on Pokerstars btw. There are lots of good alternatives out there.
How ironic that I got an ad featuring Negrenu before this video
Where is that Nick Wealthall clip from?
Which sites are better to play on then, if not PokerStars?
Doug Polk keepin it real
He talks as if the recs will play with recs now, but really one fish gets rammed by the best pros that can continue to play. Its actually a benefit for recs to be playing with the rakeback grinders with a tiny winrate (who are now forced out).
I don't know how much this applies to online, but I do see what Daniel is talking about in Vegas. $4 rake no drop is the cheapest you'll find in town. The highest is $5 rake $1 drop. Most of the better players gravitate towards the cheaper games, so the more expensive games are softer.
hi I'm a big fan just wanted to know which websites do you play on?
awesome video man best poker video on youtube
OH yeahh ! classic DOUG! keep it up!
What are the next best poker rooms after Stars?
what site do I play on then???
but yeah. i wonder what star's projections were for the impacts of this.
just thinking about it, those pros grinding away are making money for stars, yeah, but enough to justify not raising rake from a business standpoint?
interesting point, that you want stars and pros to be there so people know they can move up, but i wonder what the ratio between grinders and recs really is on stars... there will still be winning players to look up to. there'll still be some people moving up stakes, though you're 100% right in that less people moving up will lead to more people leaving. but if enough recs are still there losing more money then stars will ultimately win.
businesses don't really look to the long run. stars has the highest paying mtts and the most cash games. until another site starts offering extremely huge overlay or attracts grinders over some other way, stars will remain on top. though it is more tenuous. but in the end, the current ceo will have upped that bottom line, he'll get his bonus and share package, and he'll either face it way down the track or more likely be at another company in another sector by then.
good video Doug, it's an important case to make. I quit working to play poker cause I was making more money playing poker than working. but then with changes to the economy of the game and online shutting down in the US and all the sites starting to suck with incentives (and even an increase in live game rakes near me) I had to go back to working cause I could make more money there.
now in today's poker economy you can earn up to $70k-$100k annual but it is VERY HARD to break above that unless you are sick at binking the same tournaments every year or can get invited into big games that are whale heavy.
wowww, best vid you have ever made man!
What did Daniel say? Couldn't hear the ending due to sound effect. "actually rigged against *** players"?
Would love to see you endorse Galfond's new site. It could become what Pokerstars used to be, but we need to come together and make poker great again!
tuff fish part hahhahaahhaaa,can you review some of his party poker hands hahahahhaha,that would be hilarious..r.i.p. what a legend
Doug you're a fucking beast and a good guy. I appreciate what you do for the game, and you have thought me a lot. I'm not just saying this but if I ever make a televised final table I'm going to ask you if I can rep UpSwing bro
I get to the part where he starts the monologue with the anthem playing in the background and the USA suit and it's so funny I start laughing again every time....
What is a good level of rake? I have tried 5% and 10% (reluctantly)
Doug, what are your thoughts about the RIO site coming next year ?
The worse thing is that there is no any poker room on the horizon that could even try
to compete with Poker Stars. It's just not exist so far.
Thanks for good video Doug!
Dad and I went to Vegas and played about a 10 hour session. After 10 hours I was up $80 and my dad, thanks to hitting quads of the day won a $300 jackpot and broke even. On the way home we got talking, did anybody else at the table win money? I couldn't think of one player in that 10 hour stretch that came out a head. It was insane when you think how much rake was tacking off the table. I was thinking 8 or 9 people sat down and lost their buy in, plus a few bought an extra money at the table. Over the 10 hours I figured the casino pulled over a $1,000 off the table in rank.
awesome vid, loved it
What a sick laydown Doug
In Daniels Netflix Documentary "KidPoker", he says he went broke a few times going to Vegas trying to play bigger games where he was used to crushing fish in Toronto. What does he think would happen if the rake was the absurd amount he suggested for a home game? Would he even have the chance to even make it to his current position in poker if he today was 21, with a $50 bankroll on stars.
What's the big mystery? DN is right, except I think he misspoke when he said they're just passing the money around - it's more than that. Some of the amateurs are still going to win in the short term, but they win more often than if the pros were involved. They don't get as much money they win, because the rake is bigger, but they still win more often, so overall bigger rake is better for the amateurs in terms of their expected winnings.
“Wait, why am I doing this, America banned online poker”. Legit LOL’d
Hello Douglas, I like the theme of this video!
From one perspective, if huge rake chases out all the pros the game would be really soft. But if the games were soft enough to beat then more rake wouldn't even chase the pros off. So more rake isn't better. It's never better.
That "money circling around" thingy is THE definition of GTO, good job man
please link to the Negreanu podcast
5:30 that jacket is the nuts
Nice video Doug, nobody explain it better than you for us fish.
Great video Doug, as always. From what I see (and probably a lot of people), Phil's site is our last hope before Amaya destroys completely online Poker. In Phil we trust.
Hey Doug, is Pokerstars actually planning on increasing their rake again? The last I heard of this was in march.