Of course. He actually starts going medieval on hellmuth’s a** when he hits the straight. He absolutely knows what he is doing. Daniel always look like he just can’t shut up, but watch the correlation between what he says and the hands he plays.
@@IZn0g0uDatAll this may have made his opponent fold. 7s aren't bad here, but if somebody is that relaxed that they can rant about a completely different topic, something's up.
@@saNynho Yup what I was thinking, speaking about a totally different topic with this much confidence shows that you might have such a strong hand that it's a no brainer for you
I’m no poker expert but he wasn’t that impressive. If I was playing Daniel’s hand, after the first three cards were flipped I would stay in for either a 3 or a 6 and make my decision on the 4th card. Seeing a 3 right after, I wouldn’t have to think too hard about staying in and would be able to focus all my brainpower on being an ass across the table
Some day, when Hellmuth starts steaming and the table gets irritated, I want to hear some hero at the table just very patiently say - where Phil can hear him - "guys you need to lay off, you have to understand that this guy used to be one of the best players in the world" and just watch as Hellmuth launches himself beyond the stratosphere.
As irritating as Hellmuth can be, he still is one of the best tournament players in the world. He just won his 17th bracelet, knocking out Ivey in the process.
Phil Hellmuth is not the greatest poker player ever. He doesn’t play enough poker to be considered the best. Phil would have to rank in the top 25 consistently and he hasn’t. He does win WSOP bracelets against bad players or gets lucky. If Daniel Negreanu won all of his 2nd places in WSOP he probably would be tied with Phil. Daniel is very unlucky when he goes all in he usually gets rivered. I don’t think there is a GOAT poker player because there’s so many great players. I can say the biggest ego and the biggest asshole in poker is Phil Hellmuth.
@@TheZLighting greatest WSOP tournament player, the entire point Daniel is making at the end of this clip is that Phil gets demolished in high roller tournaments, which is true.
@@travisweaver888 because this is side money for everyone else. Daniel and Phil don’t need to win. You know it is entertainment. If you had Daniel and Phil and all the pros win every time you’d never have anyone accept these things. Good ok Nick he should stick to his sports analyst job. But now I know why he has dark eyes
@@travisweaver888 whatever Phil and Daniel put down on the table they are getting back and more for appearing on the show. They aren’t seriously playing. When do you ever see Daniel in full discussion with someone else during a hand. They don’t care. They’re going off first read and shooting the shit
Precisely. Psychologically, Phil is so insecure about himself because Poker is the ONLY variable he uses to measure his self worth. I'm sure his psychiatrist wife would agree! 16 Bracelets is not enough to for him to feel good about.
lol total agreement no matter how good Phil is at the end of the day it is a game of chance. all the knowledge of odds in the world can't protect you from the next card.
Phil beat Daniel in 3 back-to-back heads up poker matches, but he's such a good politician that people still think he won or something. Phil can be a little obnoxious, but Danny boy is way to sure of himself.
Phil’s need for approval is unmatched. He’s a great player but his crusade with being the best in everyone’s mind is what makes him not the best. Daniel is right, Ivey doesn’t give a shit and is successful in every format of the game. Phil is probably the best tournament player but his ego and interactions with the tables in cash games cost him massive losses. He can’t take himself out if any equation because his ego won’t let him.
yeah phil can´t handle really big stakes at no limit and that is why he will never be the best he is a "small" and save tournament player/or TV cash game player ) always chasing the bracelets because that is where his comfort zone is at . when i´m thinking the GOAT phils name do not even comes to mind - i´m thinking ungar or ivey as my top 2 picks , prime dwan at the peak of his game also clowns helmuth at no limit hold´em. phil claiming he was the best in the 80s era and "beat" all the best is wild since that was ungars era , ungar crushed just about anybody along with chan . ungar was a cash game high roller but he also won back to back main events first time he participated and to think texas hold´em was not even his best game is crazy ...
@DiehardSkins Look, man. The guy bugs the hell out of me, and he is an absolute cash game fish. But his tournament results speak for themselves. If he had stopped winning in the modern era, I could agree with you. But...
This is a debatable point. He is undoubtedly the best tournament player with buyins below 10k but he does seem to struggle against the top tournament pros in the high roller and super high roller events. Phil has a huge edge since he's a professional player against the average 10k< field since most of them are amateur players or mid-low level pros. I don't think anyone would care at all about this except he consistently brags about how he's the greatest poker player of all time. Can Phil be considered a great tournament player if he beats up mostly bad players? Probably to each their own, but I would personally say no. For me, it's like saying Jimmer Fredette is the greatest basketball player of all time because he owns the CBA players. Yes he is the best CBA player but if you threw him in the NBA he would not even have a roster spot.
it's so wierdly funny that nick wright is inbetween these two and basically dead silent. that man is one of the loudest television personalities i've seen
dan knows he's at phil's level and maybe at phil's peak (when he embraces the GTO he accidentally invented). and they both should know that there's a few players on the planet better than them
A six year old girl can talk to Phil like that. *-Yes because that would be adorable* No because Phil is a five year old girl and there is a pecking order.
This was a perfect line up. Like, Daniel and Phil at same table guarantees a bust up, Daniel knows his facts and Phils ego will never allow him to NOT argue even when he’s wrong. And the rest of the guys just adding a needle or two to get Phil over the line🤣🤣🤣
Buffer saying "heights and weights" like they'd square off and fight was great. seeing Hellmuth in the ring or octagon against Ivey would be a spectacle
Whatever it takes to take one for the team. SFW to his poker "awesomeness", he still plays the "straightforward" game and that doesn't cut it these days, or it only takes you so far.
I can tell you that young Phil H was a very polite and engaging gentleman with us (total strangers to him) when we played golf with him in Vegas back in '91. I still remember that enjoyable round. He simply said he "played cards" and let me try his Ti-shafted driver that he had recently won in a poker tournament. Not a hint of ego was detected. Found out much later that he was a big shot poker player. His antics at the table are just part of his play style. I still consider him a genuine good guy.
He has literally insulted and called people stupid because he didn't think the two cards they entered a hand with against him were good enough. I have actually met the guy myself too and he wasn't rude, but he wasn't overly nice or kind. I just don't get why he feels the need to play that character of a angry best of all time poker player who should never lose when he is literally playing a game of luck.
@@TylerDavid-on8qr It might be just an impulse thing and being in the heat of the moment, characterizing someone based on small sample sizes and cherry picked youtube segments from poker games (or any other type of gambling) may not be the most honest way to define someone's values, ethics, or character.
@@neonreign2988 Small sample size ? Dude has been doing this for like 20 years since Moneymaker won. He does it for the tv cameras I get it but still its like a bully who gets bullied and cries about it.
I like that Daniel made his argument without just saying that he himself was better than Phil, which seems like the route most people in his position would go
Negreanu is better than Helmuth, but he is also making these comments after learning the hard way that for a while he was delusional himself. He got destroyed vs. Polk in their heads up battle for which he studied a ton with coaches to improve, making him realize in the process hoe much room for improvement there still was. He became a better player than he ever was through that process and is a lot better than Helmuth now.
Bruce loves to play, met him after UFC 70something in Newcastle (he was very cool just talking to me and a friend outside the arena) and he asked us where the closest casinos are. I was miffed that I couldn't give him directions to the casinos since I wasn't from the area.
No, the Steven Seagal of Poker is Dan Bilzerian. He won 200 million dollars playing poker, way more than any pro. He won 50 million in one session. The same as Steven Seagal being a master in a martial art that is totally not useless, being a county deputy and declared a deity by the Dalai Lama and let's not forget teaching Anderson Silva _that_ kick. 😂
That's what winds me up about him, if the role was reversed he would be throwing his toys out the pram complaining that someone not active in the hand was distracting him.
The only credit I give Phil is that he had huge balls as a young man to go up against the best in the world as a young man in his early 20s. When poker was not as popular.
Can I mention that Helmuth has won like 8-9 bracelets in the past 20 years against large fields of the newer generation poker players. Despite the changes and evolution of the modern game Helmuth has been winning bracelets at nearly the same rate as the 80's and 90's. It's not far fetched to call him the world's best hold'em tournament player
@@Toasty_Woasty I Read an article a couples of days ago where it's stated that he did simple field work until he got his first big money. Mad respect to him if it's true👏
Love how there are no memes inserted, no voiceover telling us what is going to happen before they show us, no stupid flash editing - just the conversation developing. Great stuff!
Phil is underrated. In the 80's and 90's poker was "unstudied" and the best strategist made the most money; not the best student i.e. the one who studies the most. Phil should absolutely be credited for his natural born talent and ability to "solve" the game before solvers or general strategical advice. His dominance in the 80's and 90's put him in the conversation as the GOAT, and so does his WSOP bracelet count - but less so in my opinion as this is more to do with how many events a player enters. To say he is the GOAT is not to say he is the best at poker in the current climate. Almost no-one would say he's the greatest since the 2000's. And before the 2000's it's still debatable. And that's the great thing about poker, it's really hard to tell who's good because of the variance.
@@stevec5034 Well that's not the point is it? Today he might not be great (although he is still a winning player and so should be respected for that), but back in the day, he problem solved the game better than his counterparts, and for that he deserves to be mentioned in the GOAT conversation.
@@slothbearanonymous "Counterparts" haha. Not sure why you're trying to overcomplicated this. When it comes to the professional scene, he's not great at all and has not been for well over a decade.
For sure he is the greatest tournament player of all time. He should just be happy with that designation. He specialized in tournaments and has outperformed everybody. But you can't be the best at everything.
Because playing a Heads Up table against one person for X amount of hands is a vastly different game and experience than playing a no limit high roller game at a table of 6-7 people, in the same way that the NLHR is a different experience and mindset than a tourney
the interesting thing is it always boils down clearly to insecurity. hes very intelligent but also clearly emotionally stunted and insecure. From some of the candid stuff I see of him among the common folk, I get the sense hes a decent enough person, but he gets into his elevated state and ends up coming off as a toddler. All this to say, your comment is spot on. I aspire to have his talent, but wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
He takes poker Very seriously. His high grom poker is to have the nuts and someone goes all in. Winning thevmax and getting max value have zero meaning.
@@brianchassee you should learn about the levels of psychology in poker, it's far from just a card game. Being able to craft the character your opponents think you are and get in people's heads the way Phil does is beyond the level any other poker player has got to in the history of the game.
To be fair a tournament measure of success is consistency, not earnings. Daniel briefly held the title for most earnings due to a single solitary tournament win. Would you consider someone who came in first place one time to be better than someone whose final tabled a dozen times?
@@theNfl_Esq what? he may of been showing some passion on the conversation but in no way was he rude or out of line and if you think he always shows class you obviously have never watched his live streams.
@@Raulsta1985 I'd probably check call as I think Maria is a likely player to try to bet me off the chop. Also a chance she's value betting a king of her own.
I recently watched Negreanu's Masterclass and it says something in that perfectly sums up Hellmuth as a player; "The second you think you've mastered poker is when other plays start to surpass you" Or words to that effect. Hellmuth spent the 80s and 90s playing really good poker, slapped himself with an ego and started getting beat
Phil is right about one thing, the people he played back when were great players. I miss seeing Chan, Hanson (crazy Dane), Brunson (RIP), Ivey (saw him smile once LOL), Nguyen (hilarious), etc. They may not be on the big dollar lists, but they played some great poker.
Well if you're watching a lot of phil clips mostly on youtube that's all you're going to find, especially cash games. If you've ever seen the final tournament tables or the heads up tournament he did vs daniel a couple times you'd know he's very good. Just has a loud mouth and gigantic ego
i find there is nothing wrong with his atitude, , if find that you can say whay you want, if i play a hand vs you, and you donk all in with a crappy hand, like 46 and get runner rrunner, luck and win the hand, vs my kk or aa? and i say your a moron or a dummy to blow your holl stack on a gamble situation, i find that not being wrong, it whas a dummy or ididot move, and you where verry lukcy, thats just stating facts, nothing more, these times you cant say shit anayemore or someone is going to cry
Phil has a point. When you keep moving the goalposts on your definition of 'greatest' then the word has no meaning. He clearly said that all his life, his definition of greatest was "winner of the most bracelets' because that is the official criteria and can be documented and that is what his goal in life was. High roller tables aren't official documented poker events and can't be counted. A boxer can be legendary in the gym, but unless he wears the championship belt in an official fight, he cannot claim GOAT.
There is no "official" definition of "best poker player" just like there isn't for "best boxer". You could argue Ali, who had great skill and won iconic fights, Mayweather who had 50 wins, Pacquiao who won 7 weight classes, or Lenox Lewis who last united all 3 major HW belts. It's a matter of opinion. Opinions can change.
The only thing I can see obvious was the point that he was talking about how he played against the greatest players in this day and the little instigator decides to pop in with and they were bad back then as though somehow he would know how to play against them. I love how individuals who are still probably swimming in a fluid or thought in someone's eye can talk about how good or bad somebody was back then when they never played against them. And then the rest of them because the whole show is about pylon Phil and get him to blow up continues down this version of a comedy show
He is. But his time is gone. People who watch only TH-cam clips will think he never wins. He's a GOAT. But just like Doyle, he's no longer at the top. Doyle would never claim to be the best anymore. Hellmuth should do the same.
@@scottmc1855 all these poker players that were great have passed their date of expiration. Everyone reads and watches the same how to videos of poker and everyone plays the same. There is no more separation. I’m afraid there isn’t any player who actually dominates tourneys, or cash games for that matter anymore. That being said, if you were to pick one player against the field in a tournament, you take hellmuth.
@@DarknessFlameMedia - Maybe he could be... he just isn't. And it doesn't matter if nobody ever wins as many bracelets as Phil. The game has changed and that doesn't make him the current best.
@@kezman82a ya hes done it in todays standard, go look at Phil Helmuths mob, its more impressive than any of the hot guns except maybe Fedor holz and maybe Eric Seidl (who has also ridiculously good results today).
He does well at WSOP events but gets crushed at high roller tourneys and cash games. He also isn’t that great of a heads up player cause he gets frazzled real easily. He’s the Tom Brady of poker he’s had a lot of things go right for him to get all those titles swap out the fantastic team around Brady with luck for Phil and that’s how you win so many titles.
Phil was a great tournament player in the 80’s and 90”s but poker has moved on exponentially since those days and the field of players today is huge it would be a brave person to say they were the best in the world today because there are so many different formats to compete in it really bugs Daniel that Helmuth keeps blowing is own horn and that’s kind of understandable it’s becoming tiresome
100%. A "great" player is significantly more likely to win a tournament against 25 really good players than 1K average players. Besides that, whether Phil wants to acknowledge it or not, there are so many more very skilled players in every tournament now.
Seniority/experience is what sets the standard in any field, the fact Phil is still playing the game and doing good in the much bigger fields says all that needs to be said when it comes to defining the best poker players in the world. He took first place in a tourney Oct. 2021 and has taken 2nd in other ones 5 times since then, beating the field and doing that good consistently is not easy by any means.
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr Phil is still a great player, but there a lot of better players now. And in poker, seniority/experience clearly does not "set the standard."
@@broheme8922 No Limit Poker is a meat grinder of a game that bankrupts most people that step up to high stakes, to last decades at the top level of play takes a skill level 99% of players will never reach.
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The best part of this is how Daniel dominates a hand while having an entirely separate conversation with a non hand participant.
Of course. He actually starts going medieval on hellmuth’s a** when he hits the straight. He absolutely knows what he is doing. Daniel always look like he just can’t shut up, but watch the correlation between what he says and the hands he plays.
@@IZn0g0uDatAll this may have made his opponent fold. 7s aren't bad here, but if somebody is that relaxed that they can rant about a completely different topic, something's up.
@@saNynho Yup what I was thinking, speaking about a totally different topic with this much confidence shows that you might have such a strong hand that it's a no brainer for you
I’m no poker expert but he wasn’t that impressive. If I was playing Daniel’s hand, after the first three cards were flipped I would stay in for either a 3 or a 6 and make my decision on the 4th card. Seeing a 3 right after, I wouldn’t have to think too hard about staying in and would be able to focus all my brainpower on being an ass across the table
He dominated that conversation as well😂😂
Some day, when Hellmuth starts steaming and the table gets irritated, I want to hear some hero at the table just very patiently say - where Phil can hear him - "guys you need to lay off, you have to understand that this guy used to be one of the best players in the world" and just watch as Hellmuth launches himself beyond the stratosphere.
I laughed way longer than I should have at that lol
Tony G will say it.
As irritating as Hellmuth can be, he still is one of the best tournament players in the world. He just won his 17th bracelet, knocking out Ivey in the process.
Koon crushed Hellmuth in Heads Up duel, and made him look like an amateur. Hellmuth had no chance.
If I was at that table I would say that because I like that kind of interaction.
Phill can’t go 5 min without mentioning how he’s the greatest poker player in the world
He is, after Ivey, Addamo, Dwan, Negreanu, Tony G, Koon, Badziakowski, Bonomo, Chidwik, Holz, Seidel, Kenney...
Phil Hellmuth is not the greatest poker player ever. He doesn’t play enough poker to be considered the best. Phil would have to rank in the top 25 consistently and he hasn’t. He does win WSOP bracelets against bad players or gets lucky. If Daniel Negreanu won all of his 2nd places in WSOP he probably would be tied with Phil. Daniel is very unlucky when he goes all in he usually gets rivered. I don’t think there is a GOAT poker player because there’s so many great players. I can say the biggest ego and the biggest asshole in poker is Phil Hellmuth.
@@eidemonbkk He's easily the greatest tournament poker player ever
@@TheZLighting not even top 1000
@@TheZLighting greatest WSOP tournament player, the entire point Daniel is making at the end of this clip is that Phil gets demolished in high roller tournaments, which is true.
The most interesting part was actually Mario Ho's bluff into making a king high straight fold :D
Nick wright should just stick to analyzing sports after that. That was embarrassing!!!!
@@adrianmccoy2643 nick wright won this sit n go....
@@travisweaver888 because this is side money for everyone else. Daniel and Phil don’t need to win. You know it is entertainment. If you had Daniel and Phil and all the pros win every time you’d never have anyone accept these things. Good ok Nick he should stick to his sports analyst job. But now I know why he has dark eyes
@@travisweaver888 whatever Phil and Daniel put down on the table they are getting back and more for appearing on the show. They aren’t seriously playing. When do you ever see Daniel in full discussion with someone else during a hand. They don’t care. They’re going off first read and shooting the shit
@@adrianmccoy2643 no he’s worst at that
Buffer just dying to see a fight break out in front of him....ITSSSSSS TIMEEEEEEE
best comment hahaha
Phil is undisputedly the best in the world at making sure he gets the last word in.
He is karen
Didn’t he marry a psychiatrist? She didn’t help him at all.
@@MrJamberee She tried feverishly, but then realized that Phil wasn't a text book case.
OR snapping
You had me there in the first half
Daniel hit Phil with a big dose of truth and I could see in Phil's face that he knew Daniel was right. Crushed that ego like a frat party beer can
No, Phil is right. Daniel absolutely moved the goalposts. "Oh, hey, the one even you haven't won? That will be the only criteria."
@Steven Hancock That doesn't make Daniel wrong though.
Precisely. Psychologically, Phil is so insecure about himself because Poker is the ONLY variable he uses to measure his self worth. I'm sure his psychiatrist wife would agree! 16 Bracelets is not enough to for him to feel good about.
lol total agreement no matter how good Phil is at the end of the day it is a game of chance. all the knowledge of odds in the world can't protect you from the next card.
Phil beat Daniel in 3 back-to-back heads up poker matches, but he's such a good politician that people still think he won or something. Phil can be a little obnoxious, but Danny boy is way to sure of himself.
It just feels like Daniel is giving vent to decades of letting it go whilst Phil blustered on in his egomaniacal way. There's history in this.
EXACTLY!
Phil’s need for approval is unmatched. He’s a great player but his crusade with being the best in everyone’s mind is what makes him not the best. Daniel is right, Ivey doesn’t give a shit and is successful in every format of the game. Phil is probably the best tournament player but his ego and interactions with the tables in cash games cost him massive losses. He can’t take himself out if any equation because his ego won’t let him.
He was* the best.
Perhaps he is also still the best at his current stakes.
Ivey is far and away better. He is close to Hellmuth in bracelets and has played FAR less WSOP even than Hellmuth.
@@jeremyc9593idk if I would call 17 to 11 close
yeah phil can´t handle really big stakes at no limit and that is why he will never be the best
he is a "small" and save tournament player/or TV cash game player )
always chasing the bracelets because that is where his comfort zone is at .
when i´m thinking the GOAT phils name do not even comes to mind - i´m thinking ungar or ivey as my top 2 picks ,
prime dwan at the peak of his game also clowns helmuth at no limit hold´em.
phil claiming he was the best in the 80s era and "beat" all the best is wild since that was ungars era , ungar crushed just about anybody along with chan .
ungar was a cash game high roller but he also won back to back main events first time he participated and to think texas hold´em was not even his best game is crazy ...
It's so easy to forget that Hellmuth really is a great tournament player. Because, you know...of the way he is.
No...he's not.
@DiehardSkins Look, man. The guy bugs the hell out of me, and he is an absolute cash game fish. But his tournament results speak for themselves. If he had stopped winning in the modern era, I could agree with you. But...
@@davidtalbot9325 don’t even respond. Ppl are simply haters no matter what the facts are
Pete Rose was a great hitter, his character kept him out of the HOF. Same for Phil H.
This is a debatable point. He is undoubtedly the best tournament player with buyins below 10k but he does seem to struggle against the top tournament pros in the high roller and super high roller events.
Phil has a huge edge since he's a professional player against the average 10k< field since most of them are amateur players or mid-low level pros. I don't think anyone would care at all about this except he consistently brags about how he's the greatest poker player of all time.
Can Phil be considered a great tournament player if he beats up mostly bad players? Probably to each their own, but I would personally say no. For me, it's like saying Jimmer Fredette is the greatest basketball player of all time because he owns the CBA players. Yes he is the best CBA player but if you threw him in the NBA he would not even have a roster spot.
it's so wierdly funny that nick wright is inbetween these two and basically dead silent. that man is one of the loudest television personalities i've seen
He focused on the game, he doesn’t have much brain power to begin with and what little he has he needs to focus on the game at hand
Yeah I'm surprised he didn't argue that Lebron was a better poker player than Phil😂😂😂
What is he doing there
@@placebojesus5652 the guy isn’t dumb, he’s just playing a role when he’s on TV. All the hot takes are contrived
Horrible poker player
DNegs is the only person who can speak to Phill anyway he wants and they can’t say anything about it 😂
dan knows he's at phil's level and maybe at phil's peak (when he embraces the GTO he accidentally invented). and they both should know that there's a few players on the planet better than them
A six year old girl can talk to Phil like that.
*-Yes because that would be adorable*
No because Phil is a five year old girl and there is a pecking order.
@@helderboymh it's funny b/c it's true
@@-..-..-..-..-..-..-..-..-.. it's a quote from community :)
Exactly.
This was a perfect line up. Like, Daniel and Phil at same table guarantees a bust up, Daniel knows his facts and Phils ego will never allow him to NOT argue even when he’s wrong. And the rest of the guys just adding a needle or two to get Phil over the line🤣🤣🤣
You need Tony G. to tear Phil apart.
Buffer saying "heights and weights" like they'd square off and fight was great. seeing Hellmuth in the ring or octagon against Ivey would be a spectacle
Whatever it takes to take one for the team. SFW to his poker "awesomeness", he still plays the "straightforward" game and that doesn't cut it these days, or it only takes you so far.
I was gonna say if we could Tony g added to this table would've been great
I can tell you that young Phil H was a very polite and engaging gentleman with us (total strangers to him) when we played golf with him in Vegas back in '91. I still remember that enjoyable round. He simply said he "played cards" and let me try his Ti-shafted driver that he had recently won in a poker tournament. Not a hint of ego was detected. Found out much later that he was a big shot poker player. His antics at the table are just part of his play style. I still consider him a genuine good guy.
He has literally insulted and called people stupid because he didn't think the two cards they entered a hand with against him were good enough. I have actually met the guy myself too and he wasn't rude, but he wasn't overly nice or kind. I just don't get why he feels the need to play that character of a angry best of all time poker player who should never lose when he is literally playing a game of luck.
@@TylerDavid-on8qr outside the fane he’s a solid guy
@@TylerDavid-on8qr game
@@TylerDavid-on8qr It might be just an impulse thing and being in the heat of the moment, characterizing someone based on small sample sizes and cherry picked youtube segments from poker games (or any other type of gambling) may not be the most honest way to define someone's values, ethics, or character.
@@neonreign2988 Small sample size ? Dude has been doing this for like 20 years since Moneymaker won. He does it for the tv cameras I get it but still its like a bully who gets bullied and cries about it.
I like that Daniel made his argument without just saying that he himself was better than Phil, which seems like the route most people in his position would go
Hard to do that when he is 0/3 in heads up vs phil.
Negs isn't better than Hellmuth
@@markstepanekii388negs is the GOAT
@@Smoke.Official lol no. Not even top 10
Negreanu is better than Helmuth, but he is also making these comments after learning the hard way that for a while he was delusional himself. He got destroyed vs. Polk in their heads up battle for which he studied a ton with coaches to improve, making him realize in the process hoe much room for improvement there still was. He became a better player than he ever was through that process and is a lot better than Helmuth now.
Shout out to the graphics maker for the awesome D Negs quote at the end there
Was more shocked about that KQ fold 🤣😭
was thinking the same, wth was that lol
Seriously, Maria straight up owned him there
@@popskull42 He owned himself
Came to the comments for this, thinking exact same!
had to re-watch that..amazing
what a terrible fold by nick wright there. go back to sports brooooo
Agreed.. Horrible indeed..
for real
Maybe he misread his hand
wow
Well he didn’t have the nuts. Flush came in. Ace-king beats him. But i agree. I like to call there
Would’ve been so funny that as soon as they start fighting, buffer says “ITSSSSS TIIIIIIMEEEEE”
That last line 😂😂😂
“Nick how do you feel about your seat right now?”
“I love it” 😂😂😂
Bruce buffer being there caught me off guard 😂 it’s timeee
Bruce loves to play, met him after UFC 70something in Newcastle (he was very cool just talking to me and a friend outside the arena) and he asked us where the closest casinos are. I was miffed that I couldn't give him directions to the casinos since I wasn't from the area.
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king"
Love this quote from a fictional character
Lord Tywin Lannister
great great quote
Hahahaha the fkin irony in Phil saying "there's a lot of guys in poker who won't admit when they're wrong"
1:17 the change in emotion from Wright 🤣🤣
At 6:14, Mr. Wright folds with a King high straight. That is crazy!
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT! WHAT HAPPENED THERE
Don't think he knew he had one😂
Maybe he was worried about a flush? I don't know. 🤷♂️
@@mattsbaseballcardbreaks5952He absolutely was worried about the flush
Not a poker player at all,just a wannabe.
Phil is Steven Seagal of Poker
Brah 🤣🤣🤣
No, the Steven Seagal of Poker is Dan Bilzerian. He won 200 million dollars playing poker, way more than any pro. He won 50 million in one session. The same as Steven Seagal being a master in a martial art that is totally not useless, being a county deputy and declared a deity by the Dalai Lama and let's not forget teaching Anderson Silva _that_ kick. 😂
@@mrkiky well, but when you ask Dan about other players, he doesn't say "Can I laugh at your face?" :D
He's more like the Chevy Chase of poker
Talking right through Maria's decision. What a class act.
That's what winds me up about him, if the role was reversed he would be throwing his toys out the pram complaining that someone not active in the hand was distracting him.
He helped her steal that pot lol
The only credit I give Phil is that he had huge balls as a young man to go up against the best in the world as a young man in his early 20s. When poker was not as popular.
Poker wasn't as popular and the players weren't as good.
Any idea how he started? I am genuinely curious how he funded his beginning.
Can I mention that Helmuth has won like 8-9 bracelets in the past 20 years against large fields of the newer generation poker players. Despite the changes and evolution of the modern game Helmuth has been winning bracelets at nearly the same rate as the 80's and 90's. It's not far fetched to call him the world's best hold'em tournament player
@@morenpchangjw8868 good point.
@@Toasty_Woasty I Read an article a couples of days ago where it's stated that he did simple field work until he got his first big money. Mad respect to him if it's true👏
Love how there are no memes inserted, no voiceover telling us what is going to happen before they show us, no stupid flash editing - just the conversation developing. Great stuff!
They gave us the discussion we all wanted but didn’t deserve. Thanks 😊
why did we not deserve it
Nothing got ugly. He just said what the whole world except for Phil Hellmuth knew for the last 2 decades
The call Negreanu made was amazing
Phil never knows when he’s being trolled. So he pushes you until you snap on him
Phil is underrated. In the 80's and 90's poker was "unstudied" and the best strategist made the most money; not the best student i.e. the one who studies the most. Phil should absolutely be credited for his natural born talent and ability to "solve" the game before solvers or general strategical advice. His dominance in the 80's and 90's put him in the conversation as the GOAT, and so does his WSOP bracelet count - but less so in my opinion as this is more to do with how many events a player enters. To say he is the GOAT is not to say he is the best at poker in the current climate. Almost no-one would say he's the greatest since the 2000's. And before the 2000's it's still debatable. And that's the great thing about poker, it's really hard to tell who's good because of the variance.
Not sure it's that hard to tell he ain't great. There's enough footage of him out there 😂
@@stevec5034 Well that's not the point is it? Today he might not be great (although he is still a winning player and so should be respected for that), but back in the day, he problem solved the game better than his counterparts, and for that he deserves to be mentioned in the GOAT conversation.
@@slothbearanonymous "Counterparts" haha. Not sure why you're trying to overcomplicated this. When it comes to the professional scene, he's not great at all and has not been for well over a decade.
For sure he is the greatest tournament player of all time. He should just be happy with that designation. He specialized in tournaments and has outperformed everybody. But you can't be the best at everything.
He's the best in the world at low dollar tournaments. That's what this convo is about
Being truthful hurts! Ouch Phil!!! Such a 🦖!!
I absolutely love how Daniel endlessly talks trash about Phil, but loses to him heads up constantly. 😂.
Because playing a Heads Up table against one person for X amount of hands is a vastly different game and experience than playing a no limit high roller game at a table of 6-7 people, in the same way that the NLHR is a different experience and mindset than a tourney
@@xdropperzonline9978 of which, Phil has dominated Daniel on both arenas. Your point is? Lol
@@eb3433 This isn't the case at all? High stakes Phil gets absolutely railed by everyone at the table
God bless Phil, he's a strange creature.
The one rich person I wouldn't swap lives with.
the interesting thing is it always boils down clearly to insecurity. hes very intelligent but also clearly emotionally stunted and insecure. From some of the candid stuff I see of him among the common folk, I get the sense hes a decent enough person, but he gets into his elevated state and ends up coming off as a toddler. All this to say, your comment is spot on. I aspire to have his talent, but wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
😂🤣😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
He takes poker Very seriously. His high grom poker is to have the nuts and someone goes all in. Winning thevmax and getting max value have zero meaning.
Don't worry Craig he definitely wouldn't want to live your life either.......
@@brianchassee you should learn about the levels of psychology in poker, it's far from just a card game.
Being able to craft the character your opponents think you are and get in people's heads the way Phil does is beyond the level any other poker player has got to in the history of the game.
8:41 the graphics on screen are killing me lol
"Nick, how do you feel about your seat right now?"
"I love it." 😂😂😂😂
I swear Hellmuth must do this so that people underrate him. He has the personality and character of a bratty teenaged girl.
Hence his nickname “poker brat”
@@3DPrints4TC No no. He's far beyond that now. He's gotten considerably worse than when he was originally given that nickname.
That;
DANIEL NEGREANU
HELLMUTH: NOT BETTER THAN PHIL IVEY AT ANYTHING
graphic at the end, had me rolling
😂🤣😂
Well Done PAD.
Daniel is not better than Ivey at anything.
@@dnx112 Daniel was talking about how,
Hellmuth isn't being better than, Ivey.
@@dnx112 he is better at socializing
you can tell how long daniel bit his tounge 🤣
if you're the GOAT at something, then you don't have to proclaim it. kings don't have to tell others that they are kings.
"he's gonna say you are because he wants action" 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
They both agreed before the game to argue with each other just to distract the other players.
Would a pro act like that?
Yes
Still waiting for Ivey to get a wsop bracelet for a holdem event.
It's absolutely insane that Phil Ivey has 10 WSOP bracelets, and none of them are for holdem.
The Step Brothers movie reference for Phil and Daniel was spot-on.
Sequel: Poker Brothers? Some one call Adam Mckay and pitch it
Maria’s face is the best part of this the bombastic side eye
Is it just the aura Bruce Buffer gives off? Everyone wants to fight around him haha
To be fair a tournament measure of success is consistency, not earnings. Daniel briefly held the title for most earnings due to a single solitary tournament win. Would you consider someone who came in first place one time to be better than someone whose final tabled a dozen times?
phil so proud of learning his push fold ranges
I can’t get over how Wright looks like Tom Green
Hook nose and all
"How you feel about your seat right now?" 😂😂😂
"Nick, how do you feel about your seat right now?"
"I love it."
Daniel negreanu is a good role model for you young guys. Shutting your mouth and being humble is always the right answer
Are we going to ignore this intense and amazing hand at 5:00 during Phil’s tantrum?😂🥵
I love the newscaster crawl at the end 😂
I love how Phil doesn’t even pretend to be humble, it’s like an alien concept to him.
Best part is the summarizing tagline that pops on screen around 8:45 … top-notch producing!
A long time ago, I already knew, that Phil is most likely the greatest poker player ever. You have Phil Ivey, Phil Hellmuth, Phil Laak, Phil Galfond.
Mike Postle.
Nick is the politician at the table. "How do you feel about your seat right now?" I love it.
Lmao my favorite poker player telling Phil hellmuth that he’s not better then my 2nd favorite poker player is video made just for me.
That one minute intro was epically hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
Why the hell did KQ fold?
Wow! Dnegs was out of line imo. Even if he is right he should act like he normally does…with class. This is not a good look 👀
@@theNfl_Esq what? he may of been showing some passion on the conversation but in no way was he rude or out of line and if you think he always shows class you obviously have never watched his live streams.
@@Raulsta1985 I'd probably check call as I think Maria is a likely player to try to bet me off the chop. Also a chance she's value betting a king of her own.
LeBron told him to
TERRIBLE fold
All they know is "All I do is win", nothing after that. Literally skipped to "and they stay there".
Watching Phil get mad and burned at the sametime is entertaining
Theyre so lucky to sit at the table with Bruce Buffer... "Its Tiiiiimmmmeeee!"
The true tragedy of this video is the fold by Wright at 6:12 - Someone please get that man off the table.
Lmao free chips
WOW! CRAZY, AND HE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
Got bullied lol
I love this type of shit.. dan and phil are legends
I don't like either one, but DAniel is a jealous troll of Helmuth's accomplishments.. I'd side with Phil for being more humble in this instance.
Hate it or love it Hellmuth is one of the best everyone doesn't have to be humble the man worked hard to be one of the best and he is.
Phil is why i watch poker. I love to watch him lose and a lot of people do. He manages to make poker way more interesting
I recently watched Negreanu's Masterclass and it says something in that perfectly sums up Hellmuth as a player;
"The second you think you've mastered poker is when other plays start to surpass you"
Or words to that effect. Hellmuth spent the 80s and 90s playing really good poker, slapped himself with an ego and started getting beat
Phil is right about one thing, the people he played back when were great players. I miss seeing Chan, Hanson (crazy Dane), Brunson (RIP), Ivey (saw him smile once LOL), Nguyen (hilarious), etc. They may not be on the big dollar lists, but they played some great poker.
He is not wrong. His track record in tournaments is a testament.
Why is everyone so happy except Phil?
🤣🤣
I've literally, LITERALLY never seen Phil play in a way I was impressed with. In fact he plays wild hands sometimes.
Yeah he’s not very good, there’s countless videos on TH-cam to prove that.
He plays like a maniac and in my opinion he won his first WSOP by pure luck and then with such a bankroll you are able to make a living of a poker.
Well if you're watching a lot of phil clips mostly on youtube that's all you're going to find, especially cash games. If you've ever seen the final tournament tables or the heads up tournament he did vs daniel a couple times you'd know he's very good. Just has a loud mouth and gigantic ego
yet he keeps winning WSOP tournaments over and over
@@scorpion407 I can’t even begin to tell you how laughable your post is. 🤦♂️
Look at Buffer over there, lol. It's tiiiiiimmmmmmmeeeee
Exactly where Nick Wright should be not tryna speak on Jordan vs LeBron
Daniel puts Phil in his rightful place! Great job Daniel!
As new poker player, I learned a lot from Phil. I learned not be like him gameplay and attitude wise. Thank you Phil!
He is actually better than people think
Well said! 🤣🤣
i find there is nothing wrong with his atitude, , if find that you can say whay you want, if i play a hand vs you, and you donk all in with a crappy hand, like 46 and get runner rrunner, luck and win the hand, vs my kk or aa? and i say your a moron or a dummy to blow your holl stack on a gamble situation, i find that not being wrong, it whas a dummy or ididot move, and you where verry lukcy, thats just stating facts, nothing more, these times you cant say shit anayemore or someone is going to cry
Daniel is the King. He knows how to talk to Phil while destroying him in his hand at the same time lol. What he says is 100% right also
6:15 That fold actually hurt me. It would be a dumb question to ask if that guy is a professional poker player but who is he and why is he there??
I don't know if the fold is as bad as people make it out to be. He likely believe his opponent made a flush
Are we just gonna ignore nick wright folding the high straight at 2:1 odds out of the fear of a backdoor straight at 6:08 lol
Phil has a point. When you keep moving the goalposts on your definition of 'greatest' then the word has no meaning. He clearly said that all his life, his definition of greatest was "winner of the most bracelets' because that is the official criteria and can be documented and that is what his goal in life was. High roller tables aren't official documented poker events and can't be counted. A boxer can be legendary in the gym, but unless he wears the championship belt in an official fight, he cannot claim GOAT.
There is no "official" definition of "best poker player" just like there isn't for "best boxer". You could argue Ali, who had great skill and won iconic fights, Mayweather who had 50 wins, Pacquiao who won 7 weight classes, or Lenox Lewis who last united all 3 major HW belts. It's a matter of opinion. Opinions can change.
@@JungleLibraryAwards are a matter of opinion? I guess we shouldnt have competitions then. Everybody gets an award! YAY!
No one ever give Hellmuth respect. Been watching this for 20 years, people just laying into the man.
"nick, how do you feel about your seat right now?"
"I love it."
🤣
"Friendly poker game gets extremely ugly." That's Phil Helmuth's life in one sentence.
Always weird to see Buffer out of the cage 😂
They're good friends. Phil does this on purpose and Daniel knows. Good stuff though.
@Fronzel Neekburm lol yeah
The only thing I can see obvious was the point that he was talking about how he played against the greatest players in this day and the little instigator decides to pop in with and they were bad back then as though somehow he would know how to play against them. I love how individuals who are still probably swimming in a fluid or thought in someone's eye can talk about how good or bad somebody was back then when they never played against them. And then the rest of them because the whole show is about pylon Phil and get him to blow up continues down this version of a comedy show
my thoughts exactly...toxic bullies
That banner at the end tho 😂😂😂
Daniel Negreanu: Hellmuth not better than Phil Ivey at anything
theyve been playing against each other for 2 decades and theyre still like this its hikarious
Damn Daniel nailed it. Phil is the OG. The rest is the rest
Phil gets shit on wayy too much. He’s on the Mt Rushmore of poker players all time. He is exceptional at every discipline of poker
He is. But his time is gone. People who watch only TH-cam clips will think he never wins. He's a GOAT. But just like Doyle, he's no longer at the top. Doyle would never claim to be the best anymore. Hellmuth should do the same.
@@scottmc1855 all these poker players that were great have passed their date of expiration. Everyone reads and watches the same how to videos of poker and everyone plays the same. There is no more separation. I’m afraid there isn’t any player who actually dominates tourneys, or cash games for that matter anymore. That being said, if you were to pick one player against the field in a tournament, you take hellmuth.
@@DarknessFlameMedia - Maybe he could be... he just isn't. And it doesn't matter if nobody ever wins as many bracelets as Phil. The game has changed and that doesn't make him the current best.
He's won more bracelets than anyone... He's one of the best full stop.
Not in today standards.
@@kezman82a ya hes done it in todays standard, go look at Phil Helmuths mob, its more impressive than any of the hot guns except maybe Fedor holz and maybe Eric Seidl (who has also ridiculously good results today).
He does well at WSOP events but gets crushed at high roller tourneys and cash games. He also isn’t that great of a heads up player cause he gets frazzled real easily. He’s the Tom Brady of poker he’s had a lot of things go right for him to get all those titles swap out the fantastic team around Brady with luck for Phil and that’s how you win so many titles.
'Anybody who says he's the greatest poker player alive, is not the greatest poker player alive' - Tywin Lannister
Took me minutes to realize the gray haired guy is Bruce Buffer lol, never seen him outside an octagon.
Not only did Wright fold, which is jaw dropping, he flipped the five card for everyone too see. WTF?
Biggest crybaby in professional poker history...Phil Hellmuth.
Phil was a great tournament player in the 80’s and 90”s but poker has moved on exponentially since those days and the field of players today is huge it would be a brave person to say they were the best in the world today because there are so many different formats to compete in it really bugs Daniel that Helmuth keeps blowing is own horn and that’s kind of understandable it’s becoming tiresome
He’s got bracelets
100%. A "great" player is significantly more likely to win a tournament against 25 really good players than 1K average players. Besides that, whether Phil wants to acknowledge it or not, there are so many more very skilled players in every tournament now.
Seniority/experience is what sets the standard in any field, the fact Phil is still playing the game and doing good in the much bigger fields says all that needs to be said when it comes to defining the best poker players in the world. He took first place in a tourney Oct. 2021 and has taken 2nd in other ones 5 times since then, beating the field and doing that good consistently is not easy by any means.
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr Phil is still a great player, but there a lot of better players now. And in poker, seniority/experience clearly does not "set the standard."
@@broheme8922 No Limit Poker is a meat grinder of a game that bankrupts most people that step up to high stakes, to last decades at the top level of play takes a skill level 99% of players will never reach.