He wasn't caught with a phone. They found a phone in a stall that he allegedly was waiting to use. I find it hard to believe he'd actually be that obvious about it; it seems more likely to me this is an arbiter trying to frame him
Kramnik is the WebMD of detecting chess cheating. WebMD always says its cancer, Kramnik always says its cheating. Both are right at about the same rate.
Topalov said that Kramnik cheated with a computer on the toilet during their 2006 World Championship match and that network cables had been found in the bathroom. It should be easier to hide a phone.
@@incasewevibee It's easier to achieve higher accuracy at lower levels because the best move is much easier to find when your opponent keeps hanging pieces.
It is very true, that having high accuracy is easier at lower levels, because the best moves are easier to find. I have had countless ~95 accuracy games at ~ 500 bullet rating level, but rarely get over 90 accuracy at 1300+ rated rapid games.
I can't imagine putting all those years into becoming a GM and throwing it all away like that. I'm not saying I don't think he was cheating, I'm just stunned someone so brilliant in a strategic game, thought that was a good idea. I also have never understood the point in cheating. Granted, I suck at chess, so my ego isn't wrapped up in whether I win or lose games, but what is the point of winning this way? The money? The money isn't that great and if you get caught, that's a dead end, likely forever.
pressure to succeed is a big deal. Compare with athletes who take drugs knowing their urine and blood is tested, but they still roll the dice and do it anyway.
Carlsen said in a podcast that he would never lose or draw a game ever again if he was allowed to use the engine once every game. In critical positions, like you said.
@@90sK1dFOr3v3r and you have proof for that. I am serious though. Check out Agads video on that match. Magnus lost that game due to his own mistakes and multiple of them. The claim that magnus only makes one mistake in a game is laughable. No he doesn't become stockfish once he made that one mistake of the game.
@@swapbriarASMR are you saying Nelson plays with stockfish? And about that GM cheating.. Authorities yet to investigate the matter.. We are no one to give any conclusion
Many people when responding to cheating accusations amongst GM's use the fact that they're GMs as a reason they aren't cheating. This is STAGGERINGLY ignorant of how cheating in competition works. Cheating scandals nearly exclusively occur from genuinely good players. Kramnik's implications about Hikaru may have been baseless, but "But Hikaru is really good" is not the valid defense. The valid defense is a lack of evidence of cheating.
Very true. I also absolutely hate when people pull out an argument like "person X has no reason to do Y". Just because you or I may not know the reason at the present time, doesn't mean there isn't one. That said, obviously blatant accusations based on what can hardly be called even scraps of evidence are just as bad.
they also act like companies would have no benefit in enabling and protecting their most popular celebrities. It's always about the money, especially for the people giving the "prize money" away.
Hikaru is really that good though and can be a valid defense because there are many evidence everywhere showing how good he is, especially videos here on youtube. He has evidence for being an amazing player as well as lacking any evidence of cheating. Both are valid defenses. I agree that "this player is really good" is not a valid defense alone without any evidence backing it up. It goes both ways. Hikaru has evidence for being good but lacks evidence for cheating.
i completely quit chess after a person got mad after i beat him fair and square and he rematched me twice and played 100% stockfish moves and did not get banned. idk the solution but experiencing it is rly frustrating.
In this case a 20 year old in a sport where the top 20 can only make a reasonable living. He needs money and chess is far too inconsistent with little reward while taking up all his time. Most other cheaters who don't do it for any money can't distinguish a true victory from a cheated one, both are a victory to them and they will take the easier route to get there.
All are circumstantial evidence but very damning circumstantial evidence. 1. He is waiting for a stall that has a hidden phone. 2. The hidden phone has a written note with a handwriting similar to his. If they can actually access the moves that was checked on the phone and it matches to Shevchenko's game. Then it is almost water tight.
Indeed, plus: 1) The mobile found had the hour/time set to Romania (Shevchenko's nationality) 2) It's offered a free toilet (the alleged toilet was closed,after this finding), and he refuses, he wanted to go to this precise toilet...hummm...if you are in need (because of a diahrrea, for example ) ,this seems super fishy....slam dunk penalty, for me.
I don't understand how these people can cheat. Chess is a game and we all play it for fun, competitive or not. How do they even have the conscience to cheat? I just don't understand
There are a lot of huge and often very fragile egos involved in chess. It’s important to realize that there’s more to life and not become obsessed with it.
FIDE should start stripping people of their GM titles when they are caught red handed like that. Especially young players. Because if he or she is young, a GM, and already cheating... There is a high probability they got their GM title by cheating. A lifetime ban can also help to dissuade others from doing the same.
@@fuglbird No one said it was okay for Kramnik to cheat. He's just saying that it's even more likely that the younger player cheated to get his title and rating because strong, portable, clandestine engines have been around during their entire chess career. And chess is more popular than it's ever been, level of competition is higher than it's ever been, and there are tons of young players wanting prestige who face the temptation of having the mental equivalent of popeye's spinach in their pocket at all times.
There is not much to do about cheating that isn't already being done, because in reality there aren't any such thing as "stockfish moves", there's just strong moves that GMs usually find and incredibly strong moves that they sometimes can find, but the engine will never miss. There are moves that seem to be "too good", but one or several moves is never enough proof, and simultaneously, GM level games are often decided by one or a few inaccurate moves. The only solution against cheating is players pledging their integrity not to ruin a timeless game for status, or worse for money. If you cheat in chess, you'll never have to lose, but you'll always be a loser.
I can only think that there is some abnormal pressure coming from either inside or outside of this player , making him feel it necessary to cheat , if that is what he's doing !! I mean what is he trying to prove ? GM & 22 years old , why blow it ???
Yes because this player is from Ukraine.If that player was from Russia, he would sing a different song.He is no better than most Russian players who support Putin.
If you use stockfish you can cheat just by keeping your score positive (w) or negative (b), choosing the 3rd, 4th or 5th move that might lover your score but it will assure a victory or at the very least a draw. Or even fake bad moves at the beginning /middle game knowing you can catch up later. That makes it practically impossible to detect especially for top rated players. Obviously that's a terrible thing to do, and this dude should be banned.
Gms know what they're doing in the opening so they're less likely to get a worse position and winning from where your opponent plays seemingly best human moves would be sus
From what a lot of top gms say, arbiters often don’t take cheating seriously. With easy access to engines on smartphones, that sort of attitude is unacceptable! If they don’t take it seriously at the biggest tournaments in the world, I’m sure most local clubs are even worse. I do think over the board tournaments can be run to prevent cheating, but some effort has to be put in!
The handwritten note makes no sense. When I heard about that I thought it must be a set-up, but also it was very weird that Kiril went to that specific WC. I just don't understand why the arbiters didn't try to get him in fraganti and instead shut down the toilet.
The problem with Kramnik is that he accuses everybody with very flimsy arguments and no evidence. Combine that with the fact that he's a very sore loser and it really becomes abnormal and pathetic. Now of course one of the dozens of people he's accused is bound to be a cheater at some point.
We don't have power because of Milton BUT I'm going to use the limited charge on my phone to watch this vid because my boy Nelson said it's not clickbait. I just KNOW I'm in for a treat 😊
I don’t see this as vindication for Kramnik. It’s possible to agree with him that there’s plenty of cheating, but still be puzzled by the truly amazing number of accusations he makes with absolutely zero evidence.
Not only that. Amazing number of accusations with zero evidence and the irony is he himself starred in Toiletgate. Accusing others doesn't make himself clean, nor can he deflect from his own scandal.
Kramnik's claims are extravagant and lack any objective support. He's been proven wrong by experts, but simply dismisses them. He's taken to outright accusing people of cheating, including Daniel Naroditsky. Yes cheating happens, of course, but he's wildly wrong about the extent of it, and his accusations are pernicious. Please don't give him any credit, he deserves only condemnation.
You said it well. When you're a top player you don't need to cheat on every move, just one or two moves, that's going to be nearly impossible to detect.
To really get control over cheating, FIDE would need to improve procedures. For the most important games, it should not even be real time reporting of the moves, as it makes it almost impossible to prevent accomplices off site to relay moves. There are so many ways to get a message to someone. If the building has windows, the cheater could just glance outside where the accomplice uses semaphores, in form of window blinds, arrangement of objects on a car dash, garments on a clothesline, etc. Ad nauseum.
The sad thing is that you will not be able to catch a really good cheater. Probably starting with "natural" 2000+ ranking, because they will not cheat in obvious ways - instead of using engine 100% time they will use it in critical moments like for 2-3 moves maybe. And everyone once a while finds a brilliant tactic or move, so unless they get greedy the chance to get caught without physical proof is slim.
It's terrible that it has to be this way, but tools like stockfish are so good that they incentivize cheaters who feel they can't play without them. One can only be honest for oneself and you'll go crazy if you analyze every game looking for cheats. But I am surprised that tournaments with grandmasters do not have more security, for want of a better term. With the state of the sport, it's not unreasonable to check everyone for devices as at an airport checkpoint and have folks in the bathroom.
Lifetime bans from all competitions and public exposure, one strike and out. Or "Cheaters Justice" as shown in the movie Casino. Do you know how to move your pieces with your left hand?
The problem with kramnik is that when he starts accusing everyone of cheating then is harder to actually detect the real cheaters. Yeah, maybe he was right with this one, but of course he will have at least one right guess when he accused everyone. And every next time he claims someone's a cheater it will be harder to believe.
I suppose it's like any professional sport, some people are always going to cheat because there is prestige and money on the line. In chess, prestige more than money, but the prestige is pretty big. Also, if you as a player have hit your plateau, and can't break through, the pressure to improve despite a lack of ability is going to either drive you to accept your position, or to cheat.
solution #1. Only supervised restroom break in over the board tournaments. Only 1 break allowed. No other reason allowed to leave playing area. All players must turn in their phones at start of tournament and can't retrieve it until done playing. Anyone caught with a phone while they are still active in a game, for any reason, instant disqualification.
Very concerning, you can't trust anything anymore, and also sad that this GM experience so much pressure that he is willing to risk everything...for what...
in my opinion chess players shouldn't be able to have the option to get up and wander while waiting for their opponent to make a move, like, aren't you able to seat down for 1 h and a half straight??
Unless the building is locked down, someone could get access and hide the phone in advance. If they took it seriously, they would need to sweep the building before opening the doors, and then scan all entrants as they arrive.
This case is completely bizarre, and were it not for the ridiculous handwritten note left attached to the phone I would 100% claim he has to be guilty. Somehow I find it hard to believe that a twenty-two-year-old grandmaster rated 2600+, could do something monumentally moronic and naive!😲
You have to love how about 10% of people in the comments are positively sure that the main problem considering cheating in chess right now, including this instance, is Kramnik.
@@shahabdullah-rd5tkRight, but blitz and bullet chess are what most players want to play, and it's the future of chess. Hikaru is superior at this type of play, and classical chess becomes less and less popular as time passes.
Because the arbiter aren't allowed to search players the way the police do. This might have to change over time. A player who is not cheating should welcome such a search.
Karl jobst has talked about this a lot. “He’s too good to cheat,” though seems intuitive, doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The people who tend to cheat the most are people at the top levels of things.
With Krammick... Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. But on a serious note, he is bound to get one right every now and again. The problem is all the people that he falsely accuses of cheating.
To be fair, waiting for a particular stall could be argued that its a comfort/anxiety/something sort of thing. Maybe he can't go when he isnt at home but has found that that one is bareable. But then with the phone being found in the same one?! nahh dude Personally i prefer learning with stockfish after the game. I'll play and then, win or lose, ill load the game into en croissant to see what i should have done/what i could have done better. I find it more of an instant "ohh ok" moment that, for me, sticks in my memory a lot better
he cheated for the same reason Riolu cheated on Trackmania in almost every world record he had. Dude was probably the best driver in the entire world and still cheated, got caugth and dissapeared.
There really are cheaters, that is known among all the top players and grandmasters. However throwing accusations against every one, possible career-threatening ones to players who definitely could be innocent is not the right way to handle it.
Whether he cheated or not, getting caught with a phone in the restroom should be enough to have him kicked out of tournament.
I completly agree
You misspelled "permanently banned from FIDE-sanctioned events and rating set to 0".
He wasn't caught with a phone. They found a phone in a stall that he allegedly was waiting to use. I find it hard to believe he'd actually be that obvious about it; it seems more likely to me this is an arbiter trying to frame him
“Whether he cheated or not”? Lol it’s clear as day
@@psymar there was a handwritten note on the phone, matching Shevchenko's handwritting
Once you get caught blatantly cheating in a ranked game like this, youre done.
I hope so.
As it should be!
Kramnik is the WebMD of detecting chess cheating. WebMD always says its cancer, Kramnik always says its cheating. Both are right at about the same rate.
Topalov said that Kramnik cheated with a computer on the toilet during their 2006 World Championship match and that network cables had been found in the bathroom. It should be easier to hide a phone.
Lol that's hilarious and 94.6% accurate
Exactly
cheating in a paid chess tournament is basically stealing money so he should at least get fined for it
You are right. Reporting them to police would be totally justified.
I saw similar scene in Godfather (1972) movie. Michael Corleone goes to the restroom... He returns with a loaded revolver...
"Luca Brasi sleeps with the Stockfishes"
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@@alicebob8145 so this is Alekhine’s Gun he came back with?! Got it!
FIDE's fault for not making chess players use diapers.
lol
😂😂😂
Is that a diaper ☎️? lol 😂
@@thomasbeckett1245 Right, next we'll be hearing, "The arbiters found that his diaper was oddly shaped and bulging in unexpected ways."
@@russellhammond371 lol 😂…
Career gambit. Might blunder the GM title if accusations proven.
That’s at least a dubious line.
"Still theory"
Brilliant move
Why is this weird? My 1200 rated opponents regularly play with 95% accuracy 😂
It's different at lower levels
the games where in blitz
@@PauIdeninoi think its not
Accuracy cant be decided on rating
@@incasewevibee It's easier to achieve higher accuracy at lower levels because the best move is much easier to find when your opponent keeps hanging pieces.
It is very true, that having high accuracy is easier at lower levels, because the best moves are easier to find. I have had countless ~95 accuracy games at ~ 500 bullet rating level, but rarely get over 90 accuracy at 1300+ rated rapid games.
I really really really despise cheaters, they poison this community and they must be found and banned forever
Strip him of his GM title.
Hall nah
@@PauIdenino Errm yeah.
Agreed +1
100%. And then ban him for life.
strip him of his virginity
I can't imagine putting all those years into becoming a GM and throwing it all away like that. I'm not saying I don't think he was cheating, I'm just stunned someone so brilliant in a strategic game, thought that was a good idea. I also have never understood the point in cheating. Granted, I suck at chess, so my ego isn't wrapped up in whether I win or lose games, but what is the point of winning this way? The money? The money isn't that great and if you get caught, that's a dead end, likely forever.
and why the hell would you think he earned that GM title when cheating didnt even have this kind of exposure back then?
pressure to succeed is a big deal. Compare with athletes who take drugs knowing their urine and blood is tested, but they still roll the dice and do it anyway.
Pride is the enemy.
Unorthodox use of the stall tactic.
Opponent is a Chad for drawing against literal Stockfish
So disappointing. He's young and so talented but resorts to cheating in a minor tournament. Can't teach integrity
Can, but it's the parent's job.
Bro blundered.
*his chess career
Carlsen said in a podcast that he would never lose or draw a game ever again if he was allowed to use the engine once every game. In critical positions, like you said.
I really doubt it because the game he lost against Hans he made multiple mistakes towards the end.
@@parthsavyasachi9348yes, you probably have more insight than Magnus on this topic 🤣
@@gabeanderson8816 yaa magnus decided to lose all these games he lost. No one can beat him.
Magnut fanboys everywhere
@@parthsavyasachi9348 You can't be serious. Hans cheated 🤣
@@90sK1dFOr3v3r and you have proof for that.
I am serious though. Check out Agads video on that match. Magnus lost that game due to his own mistakes and multiple of them.
The claim that magnus only makes one mistake in a game is laughable. No he doesn't become stockfish once he made that one mistake of the game.
And even after this incident many people will still say, "you don't have proof, I don't believe he cheated"
Proof is always needed.
@@user-eu6wp6ws7cexactly. You need actual tangible proof not just hearsay from people.
@@user-eu6wp6ws7c There's proof.
Spanish food, bruh
@@user-eu6wp6ws7c There is proof.
Kramnik: Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.
Me: I think you just might be onto something there Vlad.
Topolov says that Kramnik knows everything there is to know about cheating.
Actually, a lot of people don't like using the middle stall.
They should give his GM tittle to you Nelson
🤣
It's Not funny dude
@@swapbriarASMR are you saying Nelson plays with stockfish?
And about that GM cheating.. Authorities yet to investigate the matter..
We are no one to give any conclusion
Many people when responding to cheating accusations amongst GM's use the fact that they're GMs as a reason they aren't cheating.
This is STAGGERINGLY ignorant of how cheating in competition works. Cheating scandals nearly exclusively occur from genuinely good players. Kramnik's implications about Hikaru may have been baseless, but "But Hikaru is really good" is not the valid defense. The valid defense is a lack of evidence of cheating.
agreed, staggeringly stupid as well.
Very true. I also absolutely hate when people pull out an argument like "person X has no reason to do Y".
Just because you or I may not know the reason at the present time, doesn't mean there isn't one.
That said, obviously blatant accusations based on what can hardly be called even scraps of evidence are just as bad.
they also act like companies would have no benefit in enabling and protecting their most popular celebrities. It's always about the money, especially for the people giving the "prize money" away.
Hikaru is really that good though and can be a valid defense because there are many evidence everywhere showing how good he is, especially videos here on youtube. He has evidence for being an amazing player as well as lacking any evidence of cheating. Both are valid defenses. I agree that "this player is really good" is not a valid defense alone without any evidence backing it up. It goes both ways. Hikaru has evidence for being good but lacks evidence for cheating.
i completely quit chess after a person got mad after i beat him fair and square and he rematched me twice and played 100% stockfish moves and did not get banned. idk the solution but experiencing it is rly frustrating.
That's why I only play someone once
Ditto. And I only play unrated games now where there seems to be a bit less cheating.
You have to wonder what goes through peoples minds when they decide to cheat.
Like with most bad things... it gets (morally) easier every subsequent time.
@@JamesQMurphy And when they don't get caught. And when they see others doing it without serious consequences.
Ego
In this case a 20 year old in a sport where the top 20 can only make a reasonable living. He needs money and chess is far too inconsistent with little reward while taking up all his time.
Most other cheaters who don't do it for any money can't distinguish a true victory from a cheated one, both are a victory to them and they will take the easier route to get there.
@@Goblonium Nobody is forcing him to try making a living with chess. So it's a lame excuse.
All are circumstantial evidence but very damning circumstantial evidence.
1. He is waiting for a stall that has a hidden phone.
2. The hidden phone has a written note with a handwriting similar to his.
If they can actually access the moves that was checked on the phone and it matches to Shevchenko's game. Then it is almost water tight.
Indeed, plus:
1) The mobile found had the hour/time set to Romania (Shevchenko's nationality)
2) It's offered a free toilet (the alleged toilet was closed,after this finding), and he refuses, he wanted to go to this precise toilet...hummm...if you are in need (because of a diahrrea, for example ) ,this seems super fishy....slam dunk penalty, for me.
I don't understand how these people can cheat. Chess is a game and we all play it for fun, competitive or not. How do they even have the conscience to cheat? I just don't understand
The tournament he cheated in and Title Tuesday have cash prizes. Money was the motive
There are a lot of huge and often very fragile egos involved in chess. It’s important to realize that there’s more to life and not become obsessed with it.
Career ending move !
GM title should me stripped
He needed that particular bathroom stall because that's where the rice cooker was.
FIDE should start stripping people of their GM titles when they are caught red handed like that. Especially young players. Because if he or she is young, a GM, and already cheating... There is a high probability they got their GM title by cheating. A lifetime ban can also help to dissuade others from doing the same.
So it's OK for Kramnik to cheat but it's not OK for Shevchenko? Where's the logic in that? Same rules for everybody!
@@fuglbird No one said it was okay for Kramnik to cheat. He's just saying that it's even more likely that the younger player cheated to get his title and rating because strong, portable, clandestine engines have been around during their entire chess career. And chess is more popular than it's ever been, level of competition is higher than it's ever been, and there are tons of young players wanting prestige who face the temptation of having the mental equivalent of popeye's spinach in their pocket at all times.
There is not much to do about cheating that isn't already being done, because in reality there aren't any such thing as "stockfish moves", there's just strong moves that GMs usually find and incredibly strong moves that they sometimes can find, but the engine will never miss. There are moves that seem to be "too good", but one or several moves is never enough proof, and simultaneously, GM level games are often decided by one or a few inaccurate moves.
The only solution against cheating is players pledging their integrity not to ruin a timeless game for status, or worse for money. If you cheat in chess, you'll never have to lose, but you'll always be a loser.
I can only think that there is some abnormal pressure coming from either inside or outside of this player , making him feel it necessary to cheat , if that is what he's doing !! I mean what is he trying to prove ? GM & 22 years old , why blow it ???
Money
@@alexalt2630 that’s all I could think of too ! Hard to make a living out of playing chess , if that’s what he’s trying to do !
It's kind of crazy this whole cheating scandal in chess these days🤦♂️
not the first time a GM has used "abnormal pressure coming from the inside" to cheat at chess 😂
you are dumb
Maybe kramnik is not always wrong when he is suspicious of someone
Yeah when you accuse everyone of cheating you're bound to be right sometimes.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Yes because this player is from Ukraine.If that player was from Russia, he would sing a different song.He is no better than most Russian players who support Putin.
@@zeljkomatic5986
Calm down.
@@zeljkomatic5986 what a clown. Kramnik is against so many Russian players. Galchenko is like an anecdote for him.
Normal people cook rice, then go to the toilet.
Grandmasters go to the toilet to cook rice.
If you use stockfish you can cheat just by keeping your score positive (w) or negative (b), choosing the 3rd, 4th or 5th move that might lover your score but it will assure a victory or at the very least a draw. Or even fake bad moves at the beginning /middle game knowing you can catch up later. That makes it practically impossible to detect especially for top rated players.
Obviously that's a terrible thing to do, and this dude should be banned.
Gms know what they're doing in the opening so they're less likely to get a worse position and winning from where your opponent plays seemingly best human moves would be sus
Here since old thumbnail 12 hours ago it was GM in prison
Could be. If it was a price money tournament, he practically tried to steal money.
is saying its not click bait a form of clickbait? Asking for a friend
Got me to click
got all of us to click!
It wasn't clickbait though. The title stated the truth.
Hans Niemann has investigated the case and found no wrongdoing.
Cheating in chess has become an infestation and the consistent suspicion is warranted. There needs to be something immediately done about it.
From what a lot of top gms say, arbiters often don’t take cheating seriously. With easy access to engines on smartphones, that sort of attitude is unacceptable! If they don’t take it seriously at the biggest tournaments in the world, I’m sure most local clubs are even worse. I do think over the board tournaments can be run to prevent cheating, but some effort has to be put in!
The handwritten note makes no sense. When I heard about that I thought it must be a set-up, but also it was very weird that Kiril went to that specific WC. I just don't understand why the arbiters didn't try to get him in fraganti and instead shut down the toilet.
The problem with Kramnik is that he accuses everybody with very flimsy arguments and no evidence. Combine that with the fact that he's a very sore loser and it really becomes abnormal and pathetic. Now of course one of the dozens of people he's accused is bound to be a cheater at some point.
Yeah, the chess equivalent of crying wolf.
Yeah a broken clock is right at least twice a day.
High sensitivity but low specificity
Kramnik's oversensitivity to me just says he's a very sore loser.
Except kramnik was world champion
Expelled and de-ranked!
5 year ban is a must.
For a title player it should be a lifetime ban. These people will never be cured of their lack of morals and ethics.
Bro was just speechles😂😂
We might have been a little harsh on Kramnik
Old man was right!
No, he doesn't have enough evidence to accuse all the players he has.
@@jeffw1267 . He knows more about chess than you do.
@@MrSupernova111He accuses like 100 people and barely 5 of them might actually be cheating so what about the other 95 which he accused?
Its sad that people have no morals. Cheating is so common place that they think there is nothing wrong with it.
Not a long time ago almost everyone was trolling Kramnik for his accusations, but now people are starting to believe him.
Cheating is increasing
We don't have power because of Milton BUT I'm going to use the limited charge on my phone to watch this vid because my boy Nelson said it's not clickbait. I just KNOW I'm in for a treat 😊
I don’t see this as vindication for Kramnik. It’s possible to agree with him that there’s plenty of cheating, but still be puzzled by the truly amazing number of accusations he makes with absolutely zero evidence.
Not only that. Amazing number of accusations with zero evidence and the irony is he himself starred in Toiletgate. Accusing others doesn't make himself clean, nor can he deflect from his own scandal.
Kramnik will now study how many times this dude went to the bathroom in each major tournament he has played.
Kramnik's claims are extravagant and lack any objective support. He's been proven wrong by experts, but simply dismisses them. He's taken to outright accusing people of cheating, including Daniel Naroditsky. Yes cheating happens, of course, but he's wildly wrong about the extent of it, and his accusations are pernicious. Please don't give him any credit, he deserves only condemnation.
You said it well. When you're a top player you don't need to cheat on every move, just one or two moves, that's going to be nearly impossible to detect.
I cannot understand how a GM would ever do this!
1:09 yeah if the someone following him is a fide official, but not if lets say the coach of a different team found him waiting
At end of the video you mentioned breaking 1500 coming out, where can we find that? I see you have a video from a year ago
I play my best chess in the bathroom too.
To really get control over cheating, FIDE would need to improve procedures.
For the most important games, it should not even be real time reporting of the moves, as it makes it almost impossible to prevent accomplices off site to relay moves. There are so many ways to get a message to someone. If the building has windows, the cheater could just glance outside where the accomplice uses semaphores, in form of window blinds, arrangement of objects on a car dash, garments on a clothesline, etc. Ad nauseum.
Cell phone detectors are necessary in the restroom to prevent cheating!!
We don’t know What’s on the Phone
as he Refused to Unlock it. 🙄
Which was his right, but the decision can also be made to ban him with just limited information.
I'm just a layman, but I think that detecting cheaters is the kind of thing AI is made for.
The sad thing is that you will not be able to catch a really good cheater. Probably starting with "natural" 2000+ ranking, because they will not cheat in obvious ways - instead of using engine 100% time they will use it in critical moments like for 2-3 moves maybe. And everyone once a while finds a brilliant tactic or move, so unless they get greedy the chance to get caught without physical proof is slim.
It's terrible that it has to be this way, but tools like stockfish are so good that they incentivize cheaters who feel they can't play without them. One can only be honest for oneself and you'll go crazy if you analyze every game looking for cheats.
But I am surprised that tournaments with grandmasters do not have more security, for want of a better term. With the state of the sport, it's not unreasonable to check everyone for devices as at an airport checkpoint and have folks in the bathroom.
Lifetime bans from all competitions and public exposure, one strike and out. Or "Cheaters Justice" as shown in the movie Casino. Do you know how to move your pieces with your left hand?
so disappointing :(
The cheating problem will probably just be the death of competitive chess eventually.
I mean. Ofc that was a clickbait. How is the phone hanging in air in the middle of the WC. And your head wasn't there even.
The problem with kramnik is that when he starts accusing everyone of cheating then is harder to actually detect the real cheaters. Yeah, maybe he was right with this one, but of course he will have at least one right guess when he accused everyone. And every next time he claims someone's a cheater it will be harder to believe.
This is why so many people have stopped playing classical chess.
The most problematic cheater is the one that is competent on the subject they are cheating. They can cheat efficiently to maximize their end goals.
I suppose it's like any professional sport, some people are always going to cheat because there is prestige and money on the line. In chess, prestige more than money, but the prestige is pretty big. Also, if you as a player have hit your plateau, and can't break through, the pressure to improve despite a lack of ability is going to either drive you to accept your position, or to cheat.
The silution for him is to hire hans niemans lawyer
Giving Kramnik any credit is crazy. He's still a lunatic and this is a broken clock 2x a day thing...
solution #1. Only supervised restroom break in over the board tournaments. Only 1 break allowed. No other reason allowed to leave playing area. All players must turn in their phones at start of tournament and can't retrieve it until done playing. Anyone caught with a phone while they are still active in a game, for any reason, instant disqualification.
0:51 if the person was in the stall, why didnt blud see the phone?
Very concerning, you can't trust anything anymore, and also sad that this GM experience so much pressure that he is willing to risk everything...for what...
Crazy part is that kramnik is onto something. Very rare w
in my opinion chess players shouldn't be able to have the option to get up and wander while waiting for their opponent to make a move, like, aren't you able to seat down for 1 h and a half straight??
How empty a feeling it must be to win by cheating.
I thought they checked people at tournaments and required all the players to turn in their smartphones?
Unless the building is locked down, someone could get access and hide the phone in advance. If they took it seriously, they would need to sweep the building before opening the doors, and then scan all entrants as they arrive.
The whole tourney should be null and void.
This case is completely bizarre, and were it not for the ridiculous handwritten note left attached to the phone I would 100% claim he has to be guilty. Somehow I find it hard to believe that a twenty-two-year-old grandmaster rated 2600+, could do something monumentally moronic and naive!😲
what's the punishment?
He was just desperate to check his social media DMs.
About breaking 1500... As european If I end up to attending the course would it mean group sessions in the middle of the night?
You have to love how about 10% of people in the comments are positively sure that the main problem considering cheating in chess right now, including this instance, is Kramnik.
Kramnick accused hikaro so there is obvious cheaters but I doubt hikaro.
Hikaru's just good 😂
hikaro 😂
Hikaro never become world champion like karamnick
@@shahabdullah-rd5tkRight, but blitz and bullet chess are what most players want to play, and it's the future of chess. Hikaru is superior at this type of play, and classical chess becomes less and less popular as time passes.
If they started banning people for life, you wouldn’t see it happening as much.
What about security ? How is he able to bring a mobile phone into the toilet ?
Because the arbiter aren't allowed to search players the way the police do. This might have to change over time. A player who is not cheating should welcome such a search.
Karl jobst has talked about this a lot. “He’s too good to cheat,” though seems intuitive, doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The people who tend to cheat the most are people at the top levels of things.
So what will be the repercussions for this?
With Krammick... Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. But on a serious note, he is bound to get one right every now and again. The problem is all the people that he falsely accuses of cheating.
@@AlexRodriguez-hq6xu agreed
Cheaters are not welcomed in sports
people don`t have self esteem so they have to cheet I think.
To be fair, waiting for a particular stall could be argued that its a comfort/anxiety/something sort of thing. Maybe he can't go when he isnt at home but has found that that one is bareable. But then with the phone being found in the same one?! nahh dude
Personally i prefer learning with stockfish after the game. I'll play and then, win or lose, ill load the game into en croissant to see what i should have done/what i could have done better. I find it more of an instant "ohh ok" moment that, for me, sticks in my memory a lot better
Also, even if he did something amazing, you still can’t prove that it was Stockfish. You could only find it very suspicious
he cheated for the same reason Riolu cheated on Trackmania in almost every world record he had. Dude was probably the best driver in the entire world and still cheated, got caugth and dissapeared.
This is some high grade elite rice 🍚
Kramnik was right and it's good to hear someone play it plainly. It's not "paranoia" when there really are cheaters.
There really are cheaters, that is known among all the top players and grandmasters. However throwing accusations against every one, possible career-threatening ones to players who definitely could be innocent is not the right way to handle it.
I dont know why. , the way he said toilet made me laugh lmao.
This would really boost kramnik s confidence