CHICKEN STRIPS? So Stupid 🤦🏻♂️
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I've seen people with really bad body position and 0 chicken strips bragging about...but I was faster than them on the same bike WITH chicken strips lol MotoJitsu.com/shop
Like guys in full racing leathers on the Tail of the Dragon hanging off the bike like a spider monkey in the corner while barely leaning the bike more that it sits on its side stand. Makes me want to scream, "You're not Rossi and never will be. Just take the corner normally and be safe!"
OMG! this same scenario happened to me earlier on my riding life.
I was on a small group ride up Glendora. the guy in front of me was on a Gixxer and I was on my FZ 09.
When we got to the parking lot he looked at my chicken strips and made a comment about my speed.
I quickly replied with "How come I was going the same speed you were?"
In fact, early on the ride, during a tighter corner that we were expecting, he went wide while I still had room to lean further.
Happens to me regularly, I can ride at the same speed as others, they are to the edge of the tyre but I still have 1/2" chicken strips, go figure. I figure the chicken strips are like an insurance policy - just in case I need it.
I had a guy comment on the chicken strips on my R1150RT BMW. I had just finished a 4K mile trip on Interstates with a fully loaded bike. The only curves i encountered were on and off ramps. I just smiled and walked off without a word. Like Yoda, I'm too old to begin the training, and morons are terrible students.
@@stevestowell-virtue3781 I have a same problem... My VFR is pretty comfortable so i use to go trips arround the Europe and ofc its 95% at highway...
This is one of the most sensible motorcycle videos I’ve seen in months. Keep up the good work, you are saving lives.
Absolutely true. Been riding for over 2 decades fast with body positioning and leaving the margin on my tires for safety. I don't care what people say, I ride my ride. Say yes to chicken strips!
Ultimately this is copium. There's truth to it, but let's be real, the fastest riders on the track don't have bad body position, and they also don't have chicken strips. In fact the outer edge is completely blistered from being there the entire time.
you shouldn't feel bullied, it's about fun. But the reality is you both hang off and lean the bike over when it's smooth/grippy/predictable and you're pushing it on purpose. And this can and is done on the street, though not in all corners, nor necessarily safely.
@@james95050 lean angle = risk. I don't negate that risk factor and it is no copium and the chicken strips are that 3-5% of additional cushion to minimize risk. The riders that do show no chicken strips are also those who don't show the amount of tumbles and low sides and destruction they have caused to their bikes and themselves in pursuit of lean angle. Ultimately to each is their own.
I love chicken strips. Especially with Ranch.
Buffalo or BBQ
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chicken strips and jo jos
BBQ and Honey Mustard. Alternating between dips
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Always got crap about strips on my Ninja 250 when I first started, mind you by other new riders. My favorite was to hit the canyon and show how little lean I needed to rip. Almost had a deer jump into my bike one time mid turn and if I had been leaning harder than needed while panic braking I would have crashed for sure because I locked up the rear. It's best to not overdo things and slowly learn. Thank you Motojitsu for teaching others to keep their ego in check!
Great video, 100% correct information for everyone...if you want to prove a point on how fast you are on a bike, go do some track days with your mates & put a stop watch on your lap times... that always proves the point & then you will realise that 'chicken strips' has absolutely nothing to do with anything....lol.
My experience back in the day, 9 years road racing in the UK with 3 years at National Level...
Do all your bragging with your mates at the race track & not riding like a lunatic on the road, as you will not stay alive!...👍
the track is way different from the road. the road is all about awareness the track does not have traffic. 2 totally diff places. i have seen guys on the track crash because they cannot lean.
these drawings look amazing btw 👏
I might have some chicken strips on my bikes tires but I'll be coming home safe to my family at the end of the day. That's the main goal for me during a ride. Not to look and ride like a wannabe street Rossi
@@EdTrollington 🤣
Seen a good few street carnages where the rider is not going home to their family , paramedics spending 20 minutes at least trying to bring them back , with no success , after seeing these inexperienced riders trying to put chicken strips to show their friends how good they thought they where , not an experience I want to see or maybe others should see things like this , "might " make them think what does it prove when my wife,/daughter/son is waiting for the call they do not want to hear !!.
seen that with regular riders too. can and does happen to anyone. actually, come to think about it, i would be suprised if it happened more to chill riders. agressive riders tend to be more aware. prob because they are watching for police though 🤣
why you biting?
Chicken strips are an old school joke that all the new generation take way too seriously. 😂😂😂😂😂
Also, unless you live in a perpetual circle, you are going to spend a much larger percentage of your riding time in the center portion of you tire. Highways and interstates just don’t have that many super sharp corners in them. So, even if you look for the twisties, the vast majority of you time will be on the e middle part of the tire.
come to Europe :D some fast street riders here have the edges worn out even more than the middle cuz its just so curvy here :D
That's why I try to do a light swerve on the straight highways to spread out the wear and preserve the center of the tire.
I do it a lot but bot as much as I'd like because I feel like it makes traffic uneasy lol
Heh brother, I just went for my first ride on my Suzuki boulevard 1500, and just want to say your vids have been invaluable in giving me confidence and inspiration as I practised the techniques. I haven't ridden since my teens, apart from an e'bicycle, which helped, but Your advice and steady teaching method continues to be really helpful. Thank you and God bless you and your family always.
Hey Dude, in Germany we call IT Angstrand, (Fear Edge).
If anybody is critisise me about Iit i have met a NO Brainer!
Sorry for my english!
In Love your Work!!👍🇺🇲🇩🇪
You probably just saved my life. A: I have a sportbike with a big fat rear tire. B: I park at my university (where I work) near other bikes and notice some use more of the tire than I do. C: Enter feelings of inadequacy. D: Just this week I honestly considered getting out and forcing more edge-scruffiness to be more E: I'm 71, been riding for 55 years and you'd think I'd be immune to such juvenile concerns. But now... I'm going to watch the 2nd half of your vid, like & subscribe.
Same age and experience as you. I always think of Marty McFly in Back to the Future. It's always tempting if people goad you to 'show them what you're made of'. In the end analysis non of it means a thing. Upside is at best a few brief moments of self-satisfaction and the downside can be a long painful stay in hospital or worse. Stay cool and keep riding! 🤘
Well what he explains have also a huge impact. He tell you about clearance and safety.
But what if you have to avoid something. Well if your bike is straight and you lean your body, then you can lean the bike or unlean your body faster.
I rode a lot even if I am young. Way too much people caring about this and turning with leaned as hell bike and driver straight. Looking dummy and totally unsafe 😅
Also! Everyone need to learn to drive at their pace no matter the bike. Way too many overdrive 😅
I appreciate and respect your opinion. I follow you. I am 56 years old and have never been without a bike in my life since about 19 years old. Have had all kinds of bikes. I watch your material and I still learn from you. Thanks for all you
Less lean angle isn't just about suspension being more balanced, it's also about the tire traction being used. I read this in a book where the actions on the bike are expressed with 100 points. 100 points for either braking, cornering, or acceleration. So if you're using 100 of those theoretical points for cornerning, adding any more points by adding throttle without leveling the bike (freeing points for acceleration) will cause the rear tire to lose traction, resulting in a crash. In short, using less aggressive lean angle than necessary gives you more options in a corner.
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Oho, daca am avea si noi un youtuber de moto macar cu 15% info din cate are MotoJitsu...
Finally some sound and logical advise!!! I’ve been riding on the street for over 40 years, sports bikes as well, and I’ve always had “chicken strips”. It’s always baffled me the stigma around them so silly.
Great vid, and much respect! 👊🏼 I love how you use your knowledge and experience to help benefit both newbies and seasoned riders alike.
A UK examiner once told me, “every day’s a school day on a bike”... He was not wrong. 👍🏼
As someone who has been on a race track and never even scraped a knee, I back everything this guy says. He is obviously an expert in this field. I can see that quite clearly. Nice informative videos man!
Well said. I’m a touring cruiser guy. I always give myself that safety margins and I do ride quick and hard. Yeah, I have goofed up and hit hard parts on the bike, and my tires have small chicken strips. Not that they’re worn in, but they’ve seen asphalt a few more time than they should’ve. But it’s because I give myself that safety margin that when I do make a mistake, the spot on my tire that should rarely see ground has given me the forgiveness to make sure I keep the rubber down. It’s not a place I aim to wear, but it is my safety margin.
You jus made me realize why I love so much to ride on my own and This video makes me actually feel quite happy about that! I have watched some of your videos when I just got my driving license and had no idea how to corner and have been always practicing cornering techniques on my own and at my own speed , which is supposedly lower when you haven’t really got it yet 😜! THANK YOU WERE VERY MUCH HELPFUL !
My experience is to stay away from riders who worry about chicken strips; Learned that first hand when I was once worried about them.
Never heard of em......weightless rider bret teks says to lean bike not body
Yup, I started loving my motorcycling a lot more once I stopped trying to pretend I was fast. Focus on mastery of skills and safety at a slow enough pace to think clearly about everything, then the fear and panic disappears, and what's interesting is that I reckon after 20 crash free years I'm probably cornering faster than I used to in my reckless days, and I'm doing it safely due to better lines, better observation, better bike control, calm mind. The martial arts instructor Matt Pasquinilli sums up how to train for anything "slow is smooth, smooth is fast".
screw Powerpoint and projectors. 😂
Nothing like the old school "colored marker and huge sheets of paper" combo for visual aids.
I'm not even sarcastic, i really dig this old school drawings. Its a dying art. And you know how much effort preparation was made for the viewers.
Highly appreciated.
Thaks for the treat, Fast Eddie!
Rock on 🤘
Awesome content, great video!!🤙🏼 Way to put this topic into perspective!!
Excellent video! The point about suspension is so valid. Race circuits allow you to go faster and lean more - but billiard table v. gravel track is the difference, to say nothing of metal surfaces like manhole covers and diesel spills! Book a track day and shred that tyre and then you'll be a hero...
Good video. If you use the most outer edge of your tire when street riding than you're only able to correct in one direction. All I care about is staying up right and going a little faster than all the cars. Good enough for me.
Holy shit I have been so anxious because I always thought I am too scared to lean and I break so I don't have to lean. This video just took ALL OF IT away in the first two minutes. THANK YOU!
And what exactly do you break?
Many years ago I was part of a display team (before "stunt" teams were a thing).
One of the drills we used to practice was getting the pegs down. In a straight line. At around 10mph.
Once you have the knack its surprisingly easy to do and only goes to show that all this nonsense about chicken strips is just that.
Ride how you like and ignore the bs.
The only thing you should be looking at your rubber for is to see how well or not your suspension is set up.
Rubber is great for that because it tells the tale of how you've been riding and how the bike has been dealing with it. If you learn to read the rubber you can tell if its feathering, waving, graining and all the rest - and in which direction and if you got them too hot and so on.
You can even tell roughly how far the bike leaned - though that has almost no say on how hard it was cornering.
I don't understand. How do you scrape peg while going in a straight line?
@@dgphi Its all about where you put your weight. Next time you're out try leaning the bike slightly one way but stay in a straight line with countersteer. The idea is to counter the bikes' weight with your own so as you lean the bike one way, you lean off the other.
At the extremes we did for the displays we would be pretty much standing on the engine casing with one foot and using both hands on one side of the bars.
Without going to those extremes it can still be quite useful in slippy conditions because you always have that extra skill to fall back on if it slides when you weren't expecting it.
I wouldn't try to get it to go peg down straight away but you can certainly begin practicing lean in a straight line and the more you get used to it the easier and further you can go.
I will say it can take quite a bit of strength when you're really leaning it depending on the bike because you're effectively holding its weight up at an angle.
Have a try at doing it mildly and post back with the results. I have a feeling you will enjoy it.
@@siraff4461 Okay, I get you now. I counter-balance when going in a straight line to avoid mirrors when filtering through traffic. You can move the top of the bike a little way very quickly like that.
Awesome teaching - Ive been away but glad I came back to soak top your knowledge
It also makes a big difference which tire you use. Tire pressure also plays a major role. Some tires just can't get on edge. I had to learn and understand all of that.
You can scrub off chicken strips in a parking lot doing figure 8's if you move your body enough. Tire pressures are critical though, doesn't have to be off by much to make a big difference.
The front tyre on my 2022 hayabusa has almost vertical sides.
Granted, its hard to run off the edge of the tyre but yeah there are chicken strips.
You should also add that before cornering that shifting one weight from the seat onto the inside footpeg will lower the center of gravity and the bike will naturally turn in just like skying.
I have been riding all kinds of bikes for over 50 yrs and I still can not believe that with all the great info content here and other places that chicken strips is even a thing! ANY decent place will shot the tires, suspension, body position, braking and more is better using the normal tire surface, suspension, brakes, etc, exactly as you point out. I guess bad info sticks around no matter how disproved.
Anyway, as always, a great informational video my friend. Keep doing what you are doing since bikes, equipment and techniques change and as riders it should not matter how much riding time you have- but staying current with the best practice for what you are riding NOW! Stay safe and well my friends.
Those are some really nice drawings! (Great video!)
I honestly dont comment very often but love this, I love the approach and the factual way of explaining. I hear this all the time and people thinking they are quicker because they are using all of the tyre its rediculuos! great work!
One thing people dont mention as well is that the strips still have the slick stuff from the factory.
I've pushed my bike with the sole intention of trying to get max lean, and every time I do it feels slick because that part of the tire never got broke in
Also, the only time for leaning further than you need to is when you WANT to lose some traction like I do when I want to fishtail around a turn at slow speeds. Outside of that the only part of the tread to worry about is the part you actually use.
I always do slow speed stuff just to break in new tires and scuff the sides up so when I actually need that range of the tire, it’s not factory slick.
Yes Young Man . Totally correct . Pushing the Bike Down is a Carpark/U-turn technique . NOT a fast cornering technique . Weight Transfer = Fast AND Safe .
Good to hear. I still had about an inch on my last bike and I remember some guy at work giving me a bit of grief last summer. I shrugged it off cause I stopped paying attention to that a few years ago, since riding is so much better once you ride your own ride. I can feel how I've improved over the years, just by the feel of the rides on my usual route, and I feel like I had good mastery of my bike. Still got to get into more courses now. Good to hear it put to words by an expert.
I'm not afraid to lean, I'm afraid of the pain when I crash, again.
GiT GuD
Different tyres have different profiles too. Some you should definitely be at the track if you are on the edge. My current Metzelers are amazing tyres but the lean you need to get to the edge is too much for the street.
Awesome video and hints !! cheers from Brasil mate
Great video. Ive been riding for years and guilty of judging my own CS. This is why I really appreciate your videos.
Who cares about chicken strips? It's all about safety first. Great video motojitsu 👍
As a 70 year old Canadian I’ve enjoyed decades of perennial pilgrimages “down South” to Deals Gap and Suches. Were it not for wheelchairs, the idea of chicken strips as a badge of honor would have been an entertaining source of fiction around the campfire. Second only to scarring out feeler pegs with a hand grinder, the whole phenomenon has the stench of burnt brain cells and hubris. Sadly, even with my self righteous attitude, I still take a peek at feeler pegs and chicken strips . . .
i have no chicken strips and actually dropped onto the bead once (that tiny bit of the tire ear the rim i think?) and i can tell you i regret leaning it that much. ive since stopped leaning so much and going so fast too. the bike feels smoother and the ride is so much more calm and enjoyable instead of trying to race around everywhere
I never got rid of my chicken strip's till I enrolled in a riders course at my local track and lucky enough to have a national superbike rider as a guest instructor. A bit of theory, help with bike set up, a few guided laps and they let me loose.....chicken strip's gone and wasn't even trying and I'm an average slow rider. It happens when it's necessary 👍 great content.
I still have those little nubs of rubber on my Goldwing tires, and I have no plans to get them ‘scraped’ off. Total Control Intermediate Rider Course taught me a lot about cornering, I’ll keep the chicken strips.
That's a great course. Helped my skills a lot.
Had a dude that owned a motorcycle shop that was a friend of mine. He would sell me used racing tires Because the chicken strip was the only part of the tire worn down and the center part was still OK. Because they were used the tire was only 1/3 the price of a brand new tire. Also everybody thought I was some kind of racing Nut because the tires were So warn on the side. Great way to Not get teased about your chicken strips and save a lot of money at the same time!
Sir, this isn't a tire shop, this is a Chick-Fil-A!
@MotoJitsu, REALLY appreciate your video here...THANK YOU!!!
Great video! Solid advice!!!!!
Brilliant :)
Plus, you got your 'chicken strips' for when they may be seriously needed .. gotta live to ride!
So true, motorcycle safety school taught me about counter steering and using front and rear brake trailing and stopping skills. Like he said the margin of safety is diminished when trying to achieve chicken strips. I learned that the hard way following someone I trusted into a double apex turn onto a ramp he didn't warn me about. The second apex I was able to lean lower saving myself and the bike. I actually exited off the ramp before him scraping the foot peg slightly and out of the turn into a slight wheelie. The chicken strip hazing has to stop and thank you so much for this informative video. Keep em coming. 😊Oh yeah, you might have to stop mid turn also because of traffic and in a blind turn, so pay very close attention to what he is saying.
All great advice! Especially the last part about possibly having to stop mid turn 👍
Great job. You are showing 2 types of riders: Great care and show off. Thank you. Keep posting.
Great illustrations! 👏🏼
It can be done on some tire profiles much easier than others. I never worried about it. On my RC51 it was incredibly easy to use the entire tire. It was impossible to do on the rear tire on my NC30 due to the tire profile. The NC30 was much more flickable than the RC51. Don't worry about it and enjoy the ride.
l agree some tyre profiles are more aggressive than others. Some have a constant curve whilst others have a variable curve...its all a case of what suits you and the geometry of the Bike...
My VFR RC46 was easyer than a scooter... and my new Royal Enfield GT 650 thrills me with its 130 rear tire.
Spoken like someone with big chicken strips!
Just kidding, good explanation of lean angle and you’re spot on with cruiser riding. Leaning further with my body made riding much easier.
Top vid. Learn something everytime. Many thanks.
Hello and Thankyou..rode bikes since 1983 50cc and beyond ..skipped 30 years and riding again..Your information is absolutely informative, valuable and makes me want to ride...!!!
I've gone in the opposite direction. I've been trying to see how long my chicken strips can last after installing a new tire. At street speeds it's a bit stupid to lean over that far anyway.
A good example of body position vs lean angle can be seen in this video. The bikes we caught up to within 2 miles, has a 20 second head start. They were leaned way the hell over ( CBR 1000 and R 1 ) . My bud on an SV 650, I'm on " Ole Yeller " 9 years ago.
th-cam.com/video/4fOZ514mUDg/w-d-xo.html
Some very good advise. Thanks for the lesson 👍
The wisdom of a real pilot. Thank you for showing such good sense !
I'm glad I watched this. Lately I've been getting into the whole "lean the bike over" thing myself, but now will practice with leaning myself into corners from here on. Bit difficult with a big cruiser seat atm but not inpossible. 😂 Thanks for sharing
any cruiser can lean as long as the pegs and engine case allow. size doesnt matter once it is in motion and your body weight is the ballast control. my buddies road king is screwed though. he lowered it to look cool .now cant turn.
If you’re making it through the curves and turns without crashing , you’re leaning enough.
Dude ride an Aprilia Rs660 and i have chicken strips 😅. It doesn't matter especially with the speed limits where i live if i had to lean the bike so low to get rid of them it would mean i am doing x3 the speed limit at least. And if i am riding at a slower pace what's the point of leaning the bike excessively it makes zero sense!
Once, on my ZX6R, I had a slow leak on my rear tire. It went undetected until the wife and I went to meet some other riders. Bike felt horrible, with my wife on the pillion. Got to our destination, just a brief 30km trip, and my tire looked like a track-day hero. Not only were the chicken strips gone, the edges of the tire were properly balled-up from hot running. The "fast guys" at our destination were looking in awe at the state of my tire, having just parked after riding two-up.
I rode a KTM RC390 through some very hairy twisties and got very comfortable meeting it's limits at speed through corners. One thing I learned through practice was that the stock rear tyre was the wrong size for the bike to be leaned to the edge, it had a wider tyre than actually fit the bike because it was more pleasing aesthetically, a narrower tyre had a better profile and allowed the bike to lean further while maintaining good grip. I also learned that I could take corners at high speed (up to 3x the posted speed limit in some areas) by hanging off the bike and getting my knee and elbow down (by products of good body position, not trying to achieve these feats to create good body position, two different things) and I was able to scuff pads withhout maxing the bike's lean angle while maxxing it's cornering potential safely. On a track you could get a few extra degrees but on the street it certainly isn't worth it.
As I’m learning to go faster, my bp is improving. Less lean angle at a higher speed. So much fun! Thank You!
Another big thing is the tyre profile. I had a bike that would have little strips on the back and larger strips on the front. Not because I was some road warrior but because it didn't take a lot for the rear to get there.
My Diablo supercorsa front agrees! Even on track had a bit of strips left.
Yep. Always found it funny. My friend is a pretty well known track rider in Northern Ireland who has raced at the north west and Isle of Man. He always said if you are using the edges of your tyre on the road then you are at a point you shouldn’t be at because you are reducing safety margins. Also know a few people who go around a roundabout at 20 mph to get rid of them so they can pretend they are ‘cool’. 😮
What’s his name?
Anyone that goes around the roundabout more than twice is - lost 😂 in more ways than 1
I seem to remember that John Mcguinness was riding a road bike once and someone commented on his chicken strips to which he replied something like “well I’m not in a race”! 😁
I do that too and to look even cooler i sand down my kneesliders.
@@yumyumbaboon
I understand he went racing because he was mental on the road.
THANK YOU As a former instructor and avid rider it is so good to hear proper instruction. I know many owners but very few riders. My Bike has 150000 miles on it. I have taken a lot of curves.
Thanks, this is very useful, I am getting my license this spring and I like your videos. They are very informative.
Why lean my bike when I can get used tires from your crashed bike leaning? Work smarter, not harder
Roosters like to see chickens strip........
I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saw your video on GAB!
Thanks for this….I am really enjoying your no nonsense videos…..
When all professional riders try to lean as little as possible. 😂
I'm not gonna lie, I only care about the chicken strips personally just cause when I go on a spirited cruise with the group, and I hit that untouched fresh rubber, it gets a little wild in that moment 😂😂 3 sets of tires and every damn time that rear likes to come out a bit to say hello to the front 😂🤣
Thanks for presenting a reasonable perspective on the subject.
It’s depends on the bike. I always had a little bit on the sides of my Fireblade tyres, but obliterated edge to edge on my 1100s Multistrada. I didn’t try to, the bike just had a better feeling.
That’s my take on it, I didn’t suddenly become great or anything. Maybe it was the wide bars and upright position 🤷🏻♂️
My KTM 1190 gave me way more confidence on the track and the road than my blade. The lean probably isn't as great but something about those adventure bikes gives you more confidence.
For anyone who wants to experience full lean on their motorcycle then go on track days. Being on the road is about safety. You wanna go fast, get off the road 👍🏼
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TLDR of this video: If you have Chicken Strips = You are chicken! Trust me.
Thank you, especially the part you say " lm leaning my bike over enough to make the corner!" Yeah , l use my body as much as l need to make the corner and keep as much tire patch on the pavement as possible.
No chicken strips equals no skin. I'd rather keep my skin thanks. Great advice!
In my Fireblade period I had none, back and front... crazy times. Been riding a Blackbird for about 10 years now, mostly for vacations and weekend away with the wife. Sporting some good chicken strips but still having fun and getting us home alive and well :)
This video is the best! I get so sick of the clichés you hear from motorcyclists. (and everyone else, including myself!)
Great vid bud!
Dope video. Appreciate the knowledge.
Wow! First video I see from you. Liked, commented and subscribed. I started last year at 36 years old. Thanks for the advice.
Brilliant common sense video, great advice & well explained,this guy knows what he’s talking about-lifesaver 👍🏻
The funny part about this "chicken strip" nonsense is that MotoGP riders LITERALLY hang all the way off the bike so they can lean the bike as little as humanly possible when they're taking corners. They don't hang off because it "looks cool" they are hanging off in order to keep the bike as upright as they can keep it so that it takes the corners easier. OBVIOUSLY there comes a point that the rider will have no choice to lean the bike more to make a high speed corner, but a street bike? There's not many situations on the street where you'd want to lean the bike to the edge of the tire. And MotoGP does not run street tires. They have tires MADE for extreme leans, and STILL do their best efforts to keep the bike upright as possible at all times, and that's with full race suspension, race tires, and TONS of horsepower. If the MotoGP riders' entire goal is to keep the bike as upright as possible, what in the HELL are these idiots trying to lean the bike as much as possible, in the worst possible conditions, which is THE STREET. Oil, antifreeze, lane paint, gravel, dirt, sand, leaves, trash, potholes, all of these things are BEGGING you to, by laws of physics, KEEP THE BIKE UPRIGHT. Sure. Go fast if you want, (and are capable) SURE corner fast if you want, but you should be doing the minimum lean possible. So yeah, that means you're likely to end up needing to touch your knee at some point if you're really going fast, but that's the whole point of dragging a knee as well. To keep the bike upright. Hanging off the bike is literally to counterbalance it enough so that the tire contact patch is as big as possible, and in extreme cornering, touching a knee helps you achieve that (and is also a warning that you're at the limit of your bike's max lean angle) There are MANY bikes out there that you just can't quite lean enough to delete the chicken strips ANYWAY, no matter how much you tried to lean so you're literally BEGGING for a crash. And sure... you may say that somebody's "chicken" for not wanting to lean, but the average new sport bike is what, 16k? It ain't about being afraid, its about protecting your investment. Its ALSO about staying out of the ER. Which ALSO has nothing to do with fear. If you're in traction in the ICU, you can't work and pay for your bike. So stop being ridiculous. (chicken strip mentality is dumber than shit, and I've seen guys with stretched busas with no chickn strips, not because they're proving something or trying to delete them, but only because they use the minimum required lean to make the turn, and on their stretched busa and body weight, they had to lean that much to make the turn) and then the guys who are always talking about this shit tend to have the strips too, of varying widths. Its the stupidest, most pointless pissing contest in history.
I design & build bikes for personal use. Ever since I saw MikeOnBike's video about Motorcycle Geometry. I decided the best Center-Of-Gravity for me, is as high & center-of-wheelbase as possible. As centered between the wheels as possible, so I can easily change directions like a mid-engined car. And the center-of-gravity as high as possible, so I don't have to lean as much to do a corner.
The higher center-of-gravity is part if the reason why Supermotos corner faster then sportbikes. Yes, this means It's harder to pick up my bikes, if I ever drop them. And it's harder not to wheelie or Endo. But as you said. The safety margin of lean I have left to use, the suspension, and other benefits are worth it to me.
And I realized if a vehicle can do a wheelie or a stoppie/endo, then that means the load transfer & grip on that tire is so strong, it's able to flip the whole thing. I can live with wheel lift for now, and besides, I've developed the habit of swerving or braking wide to avoid accidents, instead of just braking straight, and risk flipping, or locking up the front and having it slip out from under me. I'm very prudent, and can avoid many surprises. But swerving around or away from the hazard, has helped me more then trying to stop.
More reason for my high C.O.G. decision.
Now the only design decision I'm struggling with is narrow or wide tires. Fat Bicycles and the Yamaha TW200, has shown me how great wide tires are. Be it rocks, tree roots, or garbage roads like NYC. Wide tires just soak it all up, protects rims/hubmotors, and have amazing grip, even on mud, sand, and snow, buuut, like Moto GP vs Moto3, wider tires make a bike lean more, and are so heavier.
Narrow tires are so agile, don't have to lean as far, are so efficient, and instead of floating on lose ground, they cut into it for cornering, which is why dirt bikes, and even big, strong ADV bikes use such narrow tires. But, I can't use wheels & tires that are too narrow, because they can't handle bumps that well, and can't disparate heat that well, limiting my speed, power, and carrying capacity options.
As you can see, I have a lot on my mind, chicken-strips are not one of them. Other than going to a parking-lot to scrub those parts of the tires in case I need them. Beyond that, chicken-strips are irrelevant to me. I do feel sad about that part of a tire getting wasted. Can't rebuild a tire. Center is worn to strands, or any part of the tire is damaged, then the whole thing has to be discarded. No matter how good the rest of it is. But like you said, it's unnecessary risk, my suspension don't work that way. And even if I could engineer some horizontal suspension for full-lean, I bet it would feel weird as hell, and any lockout for that horizontal suspension for EVERYTIME the bike is upright, would be over complicated, and another thing to go wrong & maintain. So F it.
I agree to you for the street. But on the racetrack chickenstrips definitely holding up your cornerspeed (if you have good bodyposition)
Thanks for posting this. It's far better to ride safe than to listen to people trying to dare you to do something that might make you crash.
Hi, great video as always.
I have a query ,
When to lean body with bike and when to lean body opposite side of the bike ?
i mean at 4:32 you are leaning your body opposite side of the bike.
Thank you.
When I bought my '10 Z1000 I never once touched the strips or popped the front end. This bile has superior torque, but I loved it, and used it how I wanted. When I got rid of it, the next guy wrecked it within weeks and injured himself with only liability to cover him. Now he's out an awesome bike and in an injury that will never fully heal.
Who's to say he had more fun than I? Ride how you want, it's ultimately your body and your bike.
I'm 66 next month and have been riding for 50 years. I think that years ago, when I owned heavy bikes {like the 1976 Kawasaki Z900 and others} which had a high centre of gravity and comparatively skinny tyres, I tended to have to lean off the bike a lot more than I have to do nowadays, and am pretty sure that virtually if not all of the tyre saw some action. As it happens, I did check my tyres today, after turning on my manual chain oiler, to make sure I hadn't overdone things and oiled up the left side tyre wall and saw that there's a fair bit of unblemished rubber on both front and rear tyres. I'm not bothered at all, in fact, at my age, any time I get back home in one piece is a definite win !
Best regards from Burry Port, West Wales.
Great video! Kinda crazy how the idea of proper cornering seems to be lost these days. Then again is improper cornering still the number one cause of motorcycle crashes?
This was so well said and I’m a little smarter now for having watched it. Thank you 👍🏼
Love you content, I’ve learned so much in the last year of riding by watching your videos and practicing. Many thanks
Great work brother 👍
Counter stearing is a great topic for next video in case you haven't already made
In the 70s with rubbish tyres, luckily (yes I know TT 100s were good) our chicken strips were on the pegs, centre stand and exhaust pipes haha.
Great point about body position.
Good sh**t, my man! Well thought out! Ima fan!
Never were greater words spoken well done MotoJitsu