The Deadliest Cornering Mistake Riders Make
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The fastest way to get into trouble is by going into a corner too fast for your comfort. Rule #1, slow down until you're comfortable with your entry speed, not the entry speed of the rider in front of you.
Common sense really more speed equals less reaction time
Why do you speed above the posted speed limits? Maybe it’s better to teach riding the speed limits on the road.
@@motoyonder lol the yellow sign is a suggested speed, not the speed limit, good try though.
Ride your own ride # 1 rule.
@@taylorv4 Time to be educated….
California VC, Section 22349:
(a) Except as provided in Section 22356, no person may drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than 65 miles per hour.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person may drive a vehicle upon a two-lane, undivided highway at a speed greater than 55 miles per hour unless that highway, or portion thereof, has been posted for a higher speed by the Department of Transportation or appropriate local agency upon the basis of an engineering and traffic survey. For purposes of this subdivision, the following apply:
(1) A two-lane, undivided highway is a highway with not more than one through lane of travel in each direction.
(2) Passing lanes may not be considered when determining the number of through lanes.
(c) It is the intent of the Legislature that there be reasonable signing on affected two-lane, undivided highways described in subdivision (b) in continuing the 55 miles-per-hour speed limit, including placing signs at county boundaries to the extent possible, and at other appropriate locations.
In my humble opinion this is the MOST IMPORTANT video you’ve made. We all know that uneasy feeling we get when we realize we are pushing or surpassing our skill level. I WILL remember this on my future rides. Thanks for taking the time to record and post this!
"You are the one who pays the consequences"......Leave your ego at home. I'm a track rider, corners are the same everytime, you know what to expect. On the roads you don't! slow in, fast out. You don't learn by going too fast, you learn by going too slow and building.
Exactly
Correct. Even if you are comfortable with your speed, you should still slow down on public roads. Minimize lean angle you minimize risk.. “Be more selfish…” takin corners. The mistake of setting aggressive new records on public roads is not worth the risk. The goal is to keep the bike, your life, and see the wife. Slow don until you know 100% the bike will mal it. Even if you ride by yourself and it’s not for the “buddies”, don’t listen to your ego either.
Some readers of this message, may think that I am just just an old guy, who is past it but I got to be an `old guy` by learning this rule, many years ago and strictly sticking to it. I still ride fast but always feel safe and always assume that something is going to be broken down, half way round the corner. I am 66 and have been riding for almost 50 years and I hope to ride for a few more years yet. Great video.
100% accurate!. This was one of my mistakes that cost me. Was only a few months into riding. Decided on a lovely Sunday to go through the twisities solo. Was going around a sweeping right bend at 80kms (50mph) when a sharp left came up with a recommended speed of 45km (28mph) one mistake was I wasn't focused, two to fast of an entry speed, turned in to early cut the corner, panicked lost my concentration should have stopped but didn't ran wide over the line and into a path of an on coming car doing 80km and wrecked it! This mistake could have been fatal.
For people follow motojitsu advice it will save you!! Always pay 100% attention, ride to your comfortable pace, enjoy the experience it isnt a race to be the fastest.
Your knowledge has expanded my knowledge and understanding and studying your app and watching your videos are fantastic, can't wait to get back in the saddle and put it all into safe practice.
Wow that's horrible. Glad you made it. Best of luck. Be safe.
Glad you made it. Thank you for posting this!!
Thank You!!
Same here went into a corner at 50 mph and the next corner was tighter didn't slow down next thing I see is me rolling in the dirt I should have known since I rode dirt bikes when I was younger ..I just wasn't thinking
This very thing, entering a corner too fast to "keep up", is what bit me a few years ago (by nothing less than a miracle I walked away with only a sore neck and minor damage to my bike).
Now, even though my riding skills have improved many folks since then, I ride in the back of the pack so I don't have to worry about anyone else around me getting messed up because I reduce my entry speed so that I know that I can make that turn. Not surprisingly, knowing I don't have others behind me potentially crawling up my @$$ let's me relax and ride my very best which most the time means I can keep up with the lack just fine.
Thats the one thing I hate about group rides, having someone behind you. In our group I have to constantly ask people to give me room because I AM going to slow down for corners and often I just use engine braking so no tail lights.
Kind of like skiing. Its very easy to go from overconfidence to sheer terror when you realize you are out of control, but pavement hurts more than snow. Thanks for all the tips on trail braking and covering the brakes on corner entry and practice for hard braking in a corner. It can be a life saver
Great video. Don't race into the corner, let the corner come to you at a speed you're comfortable with. As KC said, slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Also, if you're riding with more experienced friends just remember that they (should) care more about your safety than you keeping up with them. With practice comes speed, but you can't practice if your bike is wrecked or worse, you're severely injured or dead.
Fantastic video Greg! I retired from the airlines as the Lead Check Airman (Instructor Pilot) on a large fleet. I. would have hired you in a heartbeat. You do a great job. Keep up the good work and thanks for what you do for this sport to promote safety and better riding technique. Would love to sit down and have a one-on-one conversation with you someday.
Yep man I agree. I ride my scooter basically around 30-35 mph in this Carriacou. The roads are mainly filled with curves and you can walk to anywhere you want to go. So speeding is not worth it. Plus I love the feel of riding and at 35 mph I enjoy it all.
What I like most about this channel, he’s very safety centric. He’s not afraid to over emphasize how important safety is, for all skill levels. Gear, braking, using the clutch properly….I see riders ALL the time on the highway, here in 2022, riding like maniacs which a half helmet, t-shirt and jeans. I can’t help but think, “what idiots”
Thanks Greg for everything you've already taught me about riding my bike. You absolutely made me a better rider.
Get home safe at the end of the day - that's it!
Thanks a lot & greetings from Austria :)
After getting back on a bike after a few years I did this exact thing. I went wide on a corner and went into the oncoming traffic lane, could have easily died. I was so lucky there wasn't a semi coming my way. This is some of the most important advice you could get.
Thank you always for your great experience and sharing for us. Recently on a ride with people I don’t know going on twisties and hills I slowed down especially at Apex of hills with turns before and after and I was very comfortable but afterward the rider behind me told me I shouldn’t have kept slowing down !!! Even though I couldn’t see over the hills they thought I should have kept at same speed. Caused me to think I was doing it all wrong ! So thank you for reiterating to ride my ride. Thankyou thank you. Sally
Sally - You did it correctly! Don’t ever give in to pressure from others. Safe riding!
Exactly right; YOUR ride.
You said it, "riding with people you don't know" fuck their opinion. Doesn't sound like a group I would go riding with again.
Thank you Greg!! If there’s One single advice one can give to new and seasoned riders is to watch this video !! Well said. In the end no matter what other riders would say, you are the only one paying the price and for what ?? Again great video !!
Great tip Eddie! It seems like a simple concept yet it is overlooked so often. Getting freaked entering a corner once or twice, should be enough for a rider to catch on. I caught on....
I’m 55, lucky to survive my motorcycling youth, mostly off road, but the near deaths were road. Now contemplating getting a bike again after about 35 years, and slightly anxious. Thanks for the advice. It’s something that we all, at least those who have made it to middle age, know deep down but don’t verbalize.
That last bit of speech about the self-discipline was great, very well said. One of the reasons that I'm sceptical about riding in groups. Thank you for all the advices and information in your vids
Slow in, fast out. The golden rule!
I just learned that today . Great video ☺️
I had a bike exactly like yours for almost two years and it was a reliable, steady and very safe ride.
One day, I went to test ride a different bike and thirty minutes after I felt like I owned it and consequently, increased the pace as I was feeling more and more confident. So confident that it was a little to much and I found my self entering way too fast into a corner and because the bike was heavier than my GS I made that mistake and could feel that the bike wasn’t leaning what I expected and that was easy to happen and very scary. It turned out alright, but that wasn’t a nice sensation. Above everything on top, It happened on a bike that wasn’t mine…
In Conclusion, being concentrated all times when we’re riding is mandatory and never take control as granted!
Thanks for the important alert you set out on this video as it is another major safety aspect of riding a motorcycle. The attitude. Always alert, always well awake and aware, and never too loose or confident. The bad moments, very frequently happen when we low or drop our defense down or when we force our limits/ personal skills, out of a controlled environment.
Nice and useful video. Thanks, once more.
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Thanks Eddy, love your contents so helpful. Can you do a video on going on hairpin corners roads usually not on main roads but more like smaller Mt roads.
Awesome video! Awesome advice!
Very good advice. That's one of the reasons i choose to ride alone. I ride at my own pace, and don't have to worry with other guy's trying to do better or to keep up. Great videos and contents. Tank's for sharing! 👍👍👍
Brilliant video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Cheers
It would be awesome if you did a ride through twisties with telemetrics displayed on screen like throttle %, front brake %, tach, clutch, gear, whatever else and talked through the turns. I'd like to learn when to work my shifts in to corner entry/braking so I can do it more optimally and with the least disruption to suspension.
Agree. I’m a visual learner and there’s so many factors going on at the same time in the twisties
That would be interesting
Great video and advice once again. Thanks!!
Yup, swallow that pride and take in a little humility if you see it that way. We're not as good as we think we are and re-learn that lesson every time we mess up. Good words of wisdom, Moto.
Beautiful and well said!!! Love it. Drum the message in! 👍
Learned this the hard way on one of my first group rides. Got caught up with the fast group in front of me on a twisty road I wasn't familiar with. Got caught on a turn with a little too much speed. Slowed down enough but was already wide on the turn and hit gravel on the shoulder. Low-speed low side. Thankfully, I was OK and the bike was fine. Biggest hurt was to my own EGO! BIG lesson learned though. Was definitely trying to ride beyond my experience level. I knew better too. Back on the road after getting my bike fixed and am going into my riding being entirely Selfish as you mention. That "speed" will continue to grow as my seat time and experience on two wheels grows as well. Thanks for this reminder. NEW RIDERS take heed!
I love your channel. Great information tied together with wisdom. You’re a great teacher.
Great advice! I bought a bike back in yhe late 90's from a friend who upgraded. I was a novice rider and crashed going into a left hander trying to keep up with the very same friend who had several years of experience. I sold that bike shortly afterwards and haven't ridden since. Well I did ride a friend's diet bike on his property once since then for about 10 minutes but that doesn't count. Today I pick up a brand new CRF300L. I have been watching videos for months in preparation,but more importantly....I know my limitations this time. When I pick up the bike this afternoon, I plan to take it to the closest parking lot and practice practice practice. I want to get a good understanding at very slow speeds, how the bike feels. I also want to practice finesse with the controls. I have ZERO plans to ride outside of my comfort zone on this bike. I really got it to explore the beautiful area in which I live. I want to take it up forestry service roads and maybe a trail or two if they look to be within my skill level. I plan to rake everything as slow as need be to not go outside that comfort zone. The only prize at the end of the day for 99.9% of us, is getting home alive and without injury. I'm excited to jump on my first bike in over 20 years, but I'm also terrified. I know the consequences of failure and never want to experience them again. Any idiot can make a motorcycle move with 5 or less minutes of instruction, but there is so so so much more to it than making it move.
Blessings Dave!
this is gold, that's all that needs to be said, keep it coming!
On point video !!! There are many more aspects to riding other than speed. A lot of nice countryside to see out there and places I may want to stop and visit. That's never going to happen, if I am driving at the speed of a surface to air missile. In a day out, just seeing a blur to my left and right while focusing 110% on the road in front of me, is not my idea of fun.
Exactly
Thanks! This is a lesson. I've been riding a trike since I started riding three years ago and now I'm transitioning to two wheels. Riding a trike, you can get away with less skill in my case. Not so on two wheels. I'm working on improving my riding skills, especially corners and U turns, so I can ride my new motorcycle with confidence.
Thank you Sir for your sharing. I always envy people that can get in and out the corner so fast and I always hope that I can do that too, and I always blame and question on things like "is it my bike?" "Am I coward?(that I don't dare to take the risk to roll up the throttle to get in and out fast as they did)" "Will I look cooler if I can do that they did?". At the end of the day, getting back home safe is the main point like you always said. Thanks again for your guidance Sir.
Really great advice!
That’s me! I slow down. Todays ride Santa Ynez 78 to Ramona & home. I’m 76 years old riding a GTL 1600.
Thank you for the confidence boost.
Good advice, great channel.Cornering is usually where my heartbeat increases, comfort level is so accurate.BTW when we increase the throttle does it not keep the bike more upright therefore safer? I may tap the front break a second to get at comfort speed entering a corner. Agree this is an important learning video, well done.
Spot on! Thank you!!!
Did it twice when I was following a more experienced rider and ended up on the other side of the road. Fortunately, no oncoming traffic but happy I learned the lesson without learning the hard way. Now I advocated every rider does a bike course so they can learn lessons from other people's mistakes and not the expensive way.
Thanks for that very good advise brod. Your really right on that point. Always you..
Great video! Thank you! What state are you in?
Well said, especially the suggestion for how to consider speed/capability increases for a given corner repeatedly.
Great advice! Slow in, fast out. Progress out of the comfort zone and improving is something I am working on and probably overly careful with. But hey, that's MY speed
Great reminder. Thanks.
I'm really pleased to see a motorcyclist do a video on this. I road bikes for years and worked out very early on that you corner outside bends in the inside of your lane. Unfortunately I see motorcyclists corner from the middle to center line so often that the modern 🏍️ does not understand this life saving tip.
Great video. Thank you. I took a road skills class with Superbike Coach Can Akkaya. I almost crashed twice trying to keep up with him. At the end of the class I told him, I almost crashed and he said "I was going slow there's no reason why you couldn't keep up with me". He was going like 60mph around 25mph turns. At that time I had only been riding for 2 months. I've learned more from your videos than from the 2 classes I took from him. THANK YOU. I just bought some of your books too..
Perfect explanation. Love it. Great video 👍🏻🇨🇦
@MotoJitsu, thanks a ton for these amazing videos, I've been riding for 25 years. However, after watching your videos I've realised how much I can improve my riding . I'm trying to find some videos on riding in the mountains with never ending hairpin bends. Can you make video on it please.
respect your opinion here, all very true and a good example of how to approach cornering as a learner.
This is a really good advice. Great video.
SIFO my young Padawan, SIFO... (Slow In Fast Out).
Took the Monster 1200 out on some new roads today, every corner was an unknown. But even when you think you know, maybe the wind brought a tree down, or someone dropped their oil right on the apex, or there's a turtle crossing the road. Always good to have a margin.
I remember once in Thailand on a rental CB650R going out to Pai from Chiang Mai, I thought I was hauling ass. Then a GSA and a supermoto blew my helmet off, taking the corners WAAAY faster than I was. I smiled and realized I was not that fast, didn't try to keep up. I've had a few crashes in the dirt, but never on the road, and I intend to keep it that way.
Grat video, life saving advise!! Thanks
Great
Phenomenal advice, MJ! You can always accelerate if you've entered too slow, but you can't always slow down if you've entered too fast.
I have to agree with you. Back in the day when I started riding in the canyons I rode with very experienced riders. Every time I was with them I told them, "Don't worry, I'll be there eventually." and they would just laugh but that is how I avoided crashing and I learned. The worst days were when someone in your group wiped-out.
Excellent advice, thank you 🔥
Fantastic video for newbies..
Ride to your own capabilities first and utmost law of crutch rockets..
Nice video Chris 👍and some really great advice..
Well said! If most follow half of what you said, stats on crashes would be impacted by a good percentage.
I've seen 2 of your videos now and they're ALMOST 100% awesome. You're teaching, you're a teacher, and you do a great job of instructing. One problem. A newb will eventually come into a corner hot. The previous video that I watched was really good. You talked about braking. The problem is that a newb WILL come into a corner hot eventually and, I know you're an instructor, BUT you lean really hard on not getting into that situation. The fact is that all of us eventually, for whatever reason, end up coming into a corner too hot and you sort of, but not really, addressed what to do in that situation. I taught my kids this...the bike will do more than you are comfortable with, so #1, TRUST the bike. #2, trail brake, which is something you addressed, lol, big toe pressure on the rear brake. #3, and maybe the MOST important, remembering that despite our best effort, we are coming in too hot, LOOK DEEPER INTO THE CORNER!
I cannot stress that enough. Why? TARGET FIXATION. Looking deeper into the corner FORCES you to look at where you want to go and prevents you from looking at where you're going to crash.
That is the undisputed #1 in surviving.
YOU GO WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING.
So, even though you want to piss yourself, the bike will do more than you think it can, have faith and FORCE yourself to look at where you want to go and you'll get there.
All that said, your instruction is EXCELLENT. KUDOS
if only ive seen your video earlier... anyway thanks for the much needed advice.. keep them coming.🤘
Great video, with great advice.
Brilliant video , it makes so much sense .
Ride your ride the way you want , not what everyone else is doing .
The objective it to be able to ride another day .
Glad you turned comments back on!
Great video
6:30 There we have another nice example of the parallels between flying a plane and riding a bike. As a pilot your goal should be always "stay ahead of the plane". Same is for riding a bike: "Stay ahead". Also very nice note about the self-discipline! Spot on!
This video saves lives .. nice work 👍
Well said. Thank you
I love this video man. Thank you
Hey Greg,
I am looking to buy the gloves you have. How comfy are those? Does it have a stiching inside at your fingertips? Thanks
Great video.
One thing to add also is to avoid riding behind a sketchy unskilled rider if you’re in a riding group. Unfortunately sometimes you just don’t know that. I recently crashed my motorcycle not because of my skill or was I’m going too fast for my skill. I ride at my own ride. Therefore I can correct mine mistakes or to avoid things on the road if possible.
It was a blind turn leading into another sharp tight turn that can really put even an experienced rider in a bad situation. I came into the corner and suddenly there she was in front me.
In such situation it gave me as the rider only with little room to adjust for myself and not for the slow rider who keeps self adjusting from swirling in and out through the corner.
I can see that our speed differences was different. She was on her brake. I got on my brake and I was closing in. Yes I was riding at my comfortable speed and slower than normal. I was forced to get on my brake mid to avoid hitting that person. I got on my rear brake the most pressure I can apply safely as possible as I was still closing in. Because of the line I took and with the rear brake that I had to applied to slow down from hitting her. I made my turn coming into the inside. I figured no way I can stop in mid corner the speed I was going. I’ll have pass her from the inside to avoid hitting her. While doing so the person in front of me since going much slower was able to correct her multiple mistakes and went inside also. All this was happening within seconds. So I was still on my brake. At this moment I was forced to get in my front brake this time still during mid corner to avoid again not hitting her as she came in. I applied the front brake as safely and as smooth as possible to slow my bike even more.
By applying my brakes my bike stood up. All this was happening during mid corner.
I went into the opposing lane immediately because of the curve from the road and into the ditch. I did not have the room or time to stop.
So long story short ride with people you know sometimes when you think you gave the person in front of you enough room. You just don’t know how they’ll ride.
Your comments are still excellent and very informative. Thanks good buddy
I judge a corner by always being able to spot my stopping point, i often go through one thinking i could of been faster but many times ive come across obstacles in my path which allowed me to stop or safely avoid it. Where i live in uk has lots of twisties, but you cant see around most of them due to trees and hedges. Restraint has allowed me to develop into a quick rider.
Great video. What bike are you riding?
My father-in-law is a wicked fast rider. My rule is that if I can see him I'm taking the corners too fast and need to slow down
awesome video Greg, I ride a Fat Bob because I like how it performs. I don’t care if it doesn’t look like my pop’s Harley. my bike, my pace, and I get home every time…that’s the goal while having fun.
Congratulations Graig, very good advises during the video. Everybody has to watch it.
Thanks, this is a really good video.
Thanks for your detailed video.
BTW did you down shift at 4:01 without clutching?
Thank you once again!
Slow in ,fast out . Bends only go left or right , its the severity of the bends that counts , if you follow the vanishing point and its going away from you can keep steady , if its coming closer to you , you need to ease off . Good vid , ride safe from Wales UK where our biking roads are all twisties.😍
Get new friends. Definitely a point well made. Great video and thank you for your content and teaching.
I have been working on this particular skill the most in my riding, I'm trying to get it to instinctual levels so I can make instant adjustments, but a few weeks ago, I was on a barely "wavy" road that was paralleling the freeway in LA, and there's a part that comes up a 50 ft high crest then goes back down, immediately. At the exact same time it does a 90/90 degree zig zag, 20ft to the right then back to the left 20 degrees so you're going north again, and the warning sign is just a suggested speed warning of "35."
I was NOT ready, and thankfully there were no cars coming the other way right that second.... 15 second later or earlier and I would have been in a wreck, so yeah, I pay attention to what I'M comfortable with.
I had a moment like this the other day, seeing this video after it is almost like a sign.
Thank you for your vlog about how to ride confidently.And safety precautions thanks MJ my idol rider and blogger.shout out to doodle and jass the two girls in a wonderful motorcycle riders.ty MJ.
12:15 exactly. Well said. It's a look at sometimes integrity
Spectacular video. 👊
I learned this lesson very nearly the hard way. I vividly remember overcooking a corner back in the 80's (still in my teens) and using every inch of the oncoming lane to keep the bike under me. Very powerful lesson that could have easily ended up with me in bad shape or dead. Luckily I just cleaned my underpants and rode home with my tail between my legs that day.
I did the same thing once. Good thing nothing was coming.
first time watching your channel and immediately recognize that same road i go when I,m in the US... Otay Lakes road San Diego... i love that place.... new subscriber here
Always sound instruction. As new rider, I am ALL EARS. Thank you, sir.
Great mini class. Thanks Eddie. Slow,press and roll. And ride your own ride. 😁👍
I can't believe you spoke about the same thing in different ways for over 13 minutes. Talk about repetition, I know for certain people that are not too bright you have to bang things into their head and they learn through repetition. Me on the other hand tell me something once, and that's all I need. Once I hear somebody repeating themselves when talking to me I tell them, "you told me that already, I heard you" Talking about the same exact thing for over 13 minutes I can't believe I watched it. Good luck to whoever benefited from it I didn't. I started riding when I was 13, I'm now 50. I have been through everything.
Including getting hit by a car on the way to work.
Thank You, I totally agree. A few months ago I met a group of riders, and they asked me to join. Then I realized they were riding way too fast for me, but since some of them were on two times less powerful bikes I was trying to catch them and accelerate hard on every straight line. So I felt shame and fear at the same time, I thought - WTF I'm on the 900c bike (Tracer) but can't catch the guy on ktm 490 with trail tires. Then I remember what you say in your video, calmed down, and switched to my comfort pace
Hi, Do you wear any hearing protection?
Absolutely RIGHT!
Hey brother, what road are you riding? I live in SoCal, I believe I have seen you out before. Is that NW County San Diego?
True. I paid the price. Didn’t realize I had a hairpin. Was only going about 30 mph but it was too fast. 3 broken ribs, partially collapsed lung, broken shoulder blade. Thankfully no surgery. I’m in PT and riding again.
Now I SHUT UP AND PRACTICE.
What do you prefer, shift or chane drive?
Thank you for opening the comments section.
this guy's amazing man, able to provide us with commentary while absolutely making these corners his bitches
I've been riding sport bikes for very long time and like I said I totally agree with everything you're saying you slow down get your angle in your line picked out once you're in position in the heart of the corner you can start getting on the throttle way early earlier than if you go into fast right..... Doesn't it make more sense to get back on the throttle quicker? Pretty simple when you think about it that way right
Have you done a video on leaning vs upright and leaning the bike on the street like a dirt bike on the trails? Is there a difference in speed or performance on the road on the GS?
very good advice