Are Backpacking Chairs Worth It? And Ultralight Backpacking Gear That Isn't
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- Are Backpacking Chairs Worth The Weight? I break down why the pros of a backpacking chair outweigh the cons. And why you should Take A Seat on your next backpacking adventure. Some Ultralight Backpacking Gear simply isn't worth the wight savings. I look at three Ultralight Items that just arn't worth it. I look at the Seat Pad vs the Helinox Chair Zero, Xero Z-Trek Sandals vs Teva Sandals, and the Backnife vs Gerber.
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I came to this same conclusion independently too. I went down the ultralight path hardcore, but very quickly realized I'm perfectly happy carrying 25 lbs....so I would load up my 10-15 lb pack with beer, steak, a chair, pot/pan...etc. That was the best backpacking I have ever done. You'll be more comfortable buying ultralight stuff, but only because it allows you to bring your more comfortable, heavy stuff too.
Lol! Yeah that’s the way to do it. Light so you can be heavy. Lol
Yep buy UL gear so you can bring stuff that makes you enjoy the experience.
Same. I carry lightweight gear so I can bring a JBL Charge 5 and some big heavy powerbanks. I like uploading to Strava, but GPS tears through your battery, so even a single 27000 mAh, 100 Wh power-bank will only last 2 to 3 days at best. And power-bank like those weigh about 1,5 Lb and are the biggest commonly available unless you want to carry a battery powered transformer that supplies AC power, because 100 Wh is the most you can take on an airplane.
I bought a thermarest chair kit in like 1998. I still have it. It's needed some minor repairs by me. But it still works great. Weighs like nothing. Back then, it was about making one thing do, two things. Which I'm a fan of over UL. I like light, but I love repairable & durable. I just don't think UL gear will hold up in the long term.
Stay as light as possible, so you can carry as many comforts as possible
So normally I was a "don't bring a chair guy." But I read an article from a thruhiker, he has the triple crown, and many other long thruhikes. He made a very valid point. What is your focus when you backpack? Is it to hike the miles? Is it camping focus? Are you a bird watcher (birding for those who are)? Etc. So he explained you need to pack for what you plan on doing. If you are camping focused, you may hike for 2 or 3 hours and spend 21-22 hours at a camp site. Sitting on a log, or the ground will be super uncomfortable and you won't enjoy the time. So it's okay to bring comfort items, like a chair. Having a chair will make the experience more enjoyable. You don't want to suffer. If you are hiking 12-14 hours. A chair isn't necessary. You will only be eating and sleeping. So pack for what you are focusing on.
After I read his article, my mindset changed instantly. Since I'm a weekend warrior. I don't need to go UL. Plus we enjoy the camping part, so I've decided to bring a chair, and it's been worth it. Some comfort items isn't a bad thing.
I think this makes a ton of sense! I’m a weekend warrior. I backpack to stay out longer, not necessarily to cover big miles. So I want to #takeaseat.
Totally agree. Tried my first longer hike (440km) last summer with UL gear and it felt so amazing to be light and push miles and be confident in your steps etc, and i didn't really feel I was missing anything. Went for a climbing/camping trip the other weekend with my UL gear, I was so jelous about everyone elses luxury items and comfort and didn't enjoy my gear at all. It really depends on what you want from the trip. If you don't plan on hiking for most of the day, plan for a nice camping experience instead.
@@Swansniff2 I agree 100 percent
I dont agree with the part that a chair isnt necessary, if you are hiking for 12 hours. Sometimes, I got very exhausted while walking and there was just nowhere to sit. So I had to slump down on by backpack, which was anything but ideal. So instead of looking for benches and stuff, it is so much more comfortable to be able to put a chair wherever you want to.
@@Swansniff2 Yes. What you want from the trip. Also, people don’t have the same desire for the same luxury items. It takes time in the backcountry to realize what really works best for you.
Man the first time I went backpacking with a chair, I knew I could never go back. Having one *substantially* increases my enjoyment of the trip. Just being able to relax all my muscles without having to still use my core and/or back to prop myself up on a log or the ground, it meant I was more relaxed, more able to recover, more in the moment. I was just so much happier to be there. Maybe some people don't need any of that, but I learned I definitely do.
Ditto, My mates changed their opinions quick on it. Especially some places you go there just isn't back support available. When you're out in the open sat on a bit of foam with nothing to rest your lumbar on its a nightmare. End up standing for comfort.
Same. 2019 I bought a chair for the annual trip. No one else had one. It must be how kings feel. Next year everyone else got a chair too and we don't go anywhere without chairs anymore. Total amount of chairs among the 4 people is now about 13 in total as we've bought chairs that are higher and for family members.
Awesome video! Never yet, while trudging up an incline of some rugged mountain in the back country, have I cursed myself for having my Helinox chair in my pack! Some items are just worth the weight. I'm always cheerful when I get to camp and happily remember my chair is in my pack. The chair also has many uses. In addition to a comfortable seat, I use it to sort my gear and keep it off the ground while setting up camp and packing up to leave, hang some wet socks or outer layers to dry, and it keeps my pack off the ground while I sleep. Worth every ounce. I chuckled at the "tough-guy" comment...so spot on!
Haha. Glad you enjoyed it. I was getting tired of those comments. Maybe TOO tired. I’m heading out next week and have a lightweight pack but I’m still taking the chair!!
I'm the same way. I couldn't tell you the number of times I was laughed at for taking that chair. And I couldn't tell you the amount of good food I was able to trade for 30 minutes in that chair after a day of hiking. People just don't get it until they try it.
@@MyLifeOutdoors ever tried to use air chair ? It can weight lesss but more prone to holes
As an older backpacker, I bought as much lightweight gear as possible, but reluctantly took a helinox chair once. Game changer! The comfort from that one pound is so great. Being off the ground st trail stops for meals or just relaxing in camp was a game changer for me! It’s SO worth carrying!
A chair is also much more comfortable when cooking on the ground. It's also useful when you stop for lunch and don't have to sit on wet ground or thorns.
I used to not pull mine out at lunch, but then I did a couple times and I was like why don’t I do this every time! Lol. Another “mistake” thanks for watching!
I’m with you on this one 100%! I turning 50 this year and there’s no bloody way I’m paddling and portaging all day without something nice to sit on when I get to camp. Every milligram of weight in my chair is worth carrying! I go light on other equipment (stove, pots,etc.) just so that I can splurge on some comfort items (chair, pillow, etc.)
Giving you body the means and opportunity for proper recreation isn't a "comfort" but a necessity when doing physically demanding tasks for a prolonged period. Think of your chair and pillow like that, if it helps. Back pain and bad sleep won't make your trip any better.
Taking a flask of booze or packs of chocolate, that is a comfort item! ;-)
If you are married and have kids. You are use to torture. 1lb is nothing ,🤣
Yeah, and I went with hammock camping was well. My old back just can't do the ground anymore. I have thought about those light weight cots but at 6'5", me feet would hang off most.
@@rannxerox3970 How do you do that? Do you just make sure to only go where there are trees? Or do you carry something like the tensa solo or their hiking pole hammock stand?
@@TheAkashicTraveller Well, to be fair, my ideas of being in nature always involves trees anyway. Love places like Sedona Az but I don't want to camp there (although drive down the road and the ecosystem completely changes). Aka, I want trees to look at, be under, etc. But I have had problems in National Parks were you are required to camp in camps sites and the site you get might not have good trees.
You're post popped up at exactly the right time for me. I'm planning a 4-day bikepacking trip where every ounce (including water) counts and have been having an existential crisis as to whether I'm getting old and "need" more comforts or whether a chair is somehow "cheating." Thank you, I'm ordering the dang chair 😁
Haha! I’m glad I could help. I doubt you will regret it.
Give up a tent rather than the chair!
Agree 100%. A chair is a must on my trips. It all boils down to, what is your purpose when you’re in the woods? Mine is to enjoy the outdoors and a chair definitely increases that. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for continuing. I agree, I want to be out as long as possible not necessarily killing big miles. A chair is worth the comfort
The Helinox Chair One is an actual game-changer when I am camping on my bicycle tours. Its weight is worth EVERY gram. SO very comfortable. Not sure whether I would carry it on a backpacking hike, but at 63 years old I have grown out of the life of chasing up a log or rock to sit around the campfire. This change actually happened over 20 years ago now, but after 12 years of using a Coghlans 3-legged fishing stool, the Helinox was even MORE of a revelation.
As for sandals.... the only sensible choice is the Keen Nelson. These sandals are so tough and stub-free that they could potentially even replace the Tevas as well as your hiking shoes.
I bought the Keen Newports for summer city bike commuting because I wanted airflow and am afraid of any potential toe trauma lol
Those puppies are indestructible. I've also gone hiking with them in the summer. You can be as inattentive as you want and trip and stumble over 50 roots and still be fine because the toebox has such a good shock absorber.
I'm a motorcycle traveller, so weight was not a huge issue but size was. I tried all the camping stores for these ultralight hiking chairs, but they were all not very comfortable for my size and all over 200 Australian dollars. Then I found a traditional fold out chair but with ultra short legs at kmart for 8 bucks. Super comfy and packs up small and for 8 bucks I can go through 20 of them and still would have not spent as much for a hiking chair
Lol. How many miles you hike with it?
Good rest is so important on these hikes, especially when you're not in your early 20s. My luxury items will always be a good sleeping pad and a chair to sit on.
I came to this same conclusion while hiking with Boy Scouts at mount philmont. I had bought a relatively light backpacking chair at the time that weighed about 1.5lbs. While weighing gear I did have a relatively heavy back at about 40lbs, and because of this the camp guides recommended I leave my chair at basecamp to help keep my pack lighter for the 10 days we would be out hiking. Now I get where they were coming from but another friend did bring a chair, and he was the envy of the group for the whole 10 days out with multiple people asking to borrow it for just a few minutes. I was frustrated each time we made camp for the night because to cut a mere 1.5lbs from my pack weight I now spent hours sitting on hard rocks, logs, or as the video says on the ground instead of on a comfy chair and I doubt I would have suffered much more from the 1.5 lbs. I think its definitely worth taking a chair, especially if its around 1lb and packs down relatively small.
I'm 100% with you on the chair. The comfort of using it far outweighs the discomfort of carrying it. And I'd never head out into the woods without a good knife.
I got a mix of lightweight and traditional gear for my first trip and I really hesitated about a chair, but I was so glad I got it! As a first time backpacker in my mid 30s, it's worth it!
Glad to hear you liked it. It took me almost 10 years before I even considered buying one. Thanks for watching. hope you enjoy backpacking as much as I do!
@@MyLifeOutdoors thank you! My first trip was great so I'm definitely excited to go again!
Love my Zero! I had a hiker comment "That's dumb weight." when he saw me lounging at a shelter. The following morning, as he saw me sitting in my chair and enjoying an amazing view with a steaming cup of coffee, he came up to me and said, "I was just sitting on a stump having breakfast when I saw you chillin' with your coffee. Not dumb at all. You sold me on it."
I needed to pick up a set of "feet" for it as I am not a fan of finding rocks so I don't sink in - a few more ounces of well worth it weight!
And as an added bonus, it doubles as a pack stand underneath my hammock!
I was the same way, until last year. I found one of those chairs like yours. I absolutely love it. No more muddy butt, and the cold ground is no longer an issue. Get the chair and save yourselves some discomfort.
Best defense for taking a chair I have ever heard! Been backpacking for 15 yrs. Always learning. Just came across your videos. Only a couple in and you've got yourself a new sub. Thanks!
I'm with you on this one. I've got the Helinix zero, which I find particularly good when hammock wild camping. It's particularly useful for older guys like me, with a history of low back problems (prolapsed disc in the past). I find you DO need the mat with it to stop the legs sinking in the ground. I can carry the weight ok, but I can't get comfortable in camp without the chair, unless I lie flat out on my mat or lie in the hammock. I only want to do this when I need sleep. Shoulder season and winter means more time in camp and I don't want to spend too much time sitting uncomfortably on the floor or lying on my mat.
i find hammocks comfortable to sit in. is yours a model that doesn't make that possible?
Hi, yep, I can sit in it if I sling it low enough, but it's not ideal, for 2 reasons. Firstly, I don't get the lower back support sitting in a hammock, compared with the Helinox. Also I generally use a gear sling under the hammock to keep my stuff dry and bug-free. This results in the hammock being set higher, which means my legs dangle and it's not comfortable. I'm fussy! Ha ha. Must be an age thing. ATB. Neil
My chair and tea brewing setup became the focal point of my kit. It pushed me to get to that beautiful vista and relax as a reward for the journey.
Also, if you can find one anymore, SOG made a knife called the Flash I. 34g, 1.2oz auto, 2 1/4” blade that’s a dream to hold. Been my edc knife for about a decade, highly recommended.
I love my Helinox Zero. There is nothing more satisfying than eating my trail lunch while resting my back in that little chair. The extra 17 oz is imperceptible on my back while hiking, but makes life in camp infinitely better. That little chair is worth its weight in gold!
Couldn’t agree more. How much is 17oz of gold worth? More than the $120 I paid for the chair I hope! Thanks for watching!
You are so right on carrying a chair , I’m 67 and carried my helinox chair hiking the A T and glad I give up the weight for the comfort , it was well worth it !!!!
Thank you, you have significantly improved my camping trips and even shorter walks
The seat enhances recovery = Recovery enhances the benefits of getting out into nature in the first place - i took it a step further and got a NEMO STARGAZER . NOT that I’d recommend it for dedicated hiking missions BUT for the camp site OH HOW SWEET IT IS !! for wet crossing shoe alternatives i highly recommend these SKINNER shoe-socks = expensive but tuff and nimble - would def be a winning review episode for your channel
For me it depends on the trip. How far will I be hiking each day vs how much tine will I spend in camp? If I’m hiking long miles and only spend time in camp cooking and sleeping, I’ll leave the chair. If I’m camping in beautiful destinations and want to spend time there hanging out, I definitely bring it.
This is the fundamental point that for some reason everyone forgets. Bring different equipment for different types of backpacking trips.
Those days are long gone!
Exactly, taking it with you for river riding is nonsense, but when you stay in camp for few days and you travel by train or car, it's really good to have a chair, it makes really difference.
@@Pidalin - Mine weighs 15 oz (a bit more when I fab a sand adapter for the Sierra); it goes on my back!
@@coachhannah2403 which days are gone ?
I love this video! I love my Helinox zero chair. Another use I enjoy it for is sitting and enjoying some of the awe inspiring sights we hike to. I hiked to a gorgeous waterfall last week. I took the
Fantastic video which was well thought out. Thank you! I have both a Helinox and a Zseat and have gone back and forth on my past hikes. Having a chair to lean back-on while tossing back a drink is a game changer. That said, I also love the simplicity of tossing down a pad. On the shoes, I brought camp shoes on my first hike but go without now. River crossings will be taken with my shoes unless it's a simple/safe one. This also means I'm forgoing a little comfort, but hasn't made a significant difference (yet).
I'm wholeheartedly with you on most points. I went through an ultra light backpacking phase which was kind of fun. I got my packweight down to ridiculously low weights and sacrificed comfort. Now I found the middle ground Between lightweight and comfort. I have what I considered to be a few luxury items that I always bring. One is a chair. As 1 comment said it's a matter of comfort and fatigue if I'm trying To sit on the log and use my core muscles around camp. As far as the sandals are concerned, I have a pair of xero sandals iI use them for backpacking not just around camp. I love the feel of the ground Underneath My feet and I find they are comfortable for me. Matter of preference I suppose. As far as walking across creeks and so forth I just wear trail runners and my shoes dry out quickly. And while it might seem strange I carry a decent size knife because I use it on occasion but more I guess as a safety measure Against predators or humans. I would add the last luxury I Item I carry is a foldable saw. I find that I can gather wood and cut it up And get a fire started quickly. My packweight is now in the 20 something pound range and I am quite comfortable. Enjoyed the video and you made some great points
The chair is the one the first things to go in my backpack when camping. Helps my back and keeps me off the ground when taking long nightlapse sessions. The comfort it brings is so much worth it for the weight added.
Love my chair! Sometimes I don't even go camping - I just take my chair and a little alcohol stove and go for a day.
The chair is one of my favourite items to help me relax. If I was to just sit in nature without a chair, it would not be long before I felt agitated, like I needed to something - the chair removes this completely. It makes my purpose; to relax. And it allows me to stop in any location, spots i would not consider without a chair.
There is something psychological about the chair also - I do all my hiking and camping solo. I can get agitated around people, if there where other walkers stopping near me, I would soon move on. But with a chair, it feels more like I am at home, that they are in my space, rather than I am in theirs.
Gotta grab a vine and swing in on this conversation. First, chairs suck! They are big, bulky, require setup time, and need a flat surface. Try using a Thermarest Z Lite Pad (1/2 Pad) - 7.2oz. The half pad works great as a seat, a nap pad, a yoga pad, a wind break for your stove or even a wedge to use under your sleeping pad to level out an uneven tent site. It’s easy to use and very light weight. Probably one of the most versatile pieces of gear. Love it!
Second, it’s a must for me to have camp shoes to change into at the end of a long day of hiking. I love my Birkenstock Barbados Eva Sandals - 9.2oz (Total weight for a pair of size 13) combined with some Darn Tough wool socks. My feet can breath, the shoes are very light weight, and when I’m boulder scrambling they hold amazingly well to the rock. Oh and they work great on water crossings protecting my feet. Love them!
At 6'3" I always use a large Thermarest. When the chair kits first came out I bought one and am on my second one now. The weight is acceptable given the superior relaxation station it creates. Nothing beats a comfy chair on a mini island on a high mountain pass creek deep into a trek above the Kootenai River in the Canadian Rockies. Read Old Man and the Sea in one sitting that day. It is a priority item on any wilderness trek.
What is you weight? I’m same height, but a beefy 250 lb. I found my shoulders upper back/chest compressed. I purchased Big Agnes UL Skyline chair. It literal forces me to to sit cramped with Crossed Arms. I want to send back, or lose weight ideally. Majority of adult years I have been 220
I'm in agreement with you on the chair and being comfortable. I started hiking in the 70s in the Sierras. Everything was heavy when I started. Yes I use some ultra light gear but I still roll out with 45 to 50 lbs when I go on long distance hikes. I prefer to comfortable in camp. I carried a 100lb pack in the army so cutting that in half was great. Sitting in a chair is worth it to me. I use a bigger sleeping pad also and it was one of the best decisions I've made. It's worth the extra weight so I don't roll off my pad. 51 years old and still going strong. Hike on!
My first backpacking trip was 1971. My first backpack was made of wood and canvas that I borrowed. The concept of a camp chair back in the 70's....I could not have even imagine such a thing. Now, I cannot even remember how uncomfortable I must have been...but it was good times. Ha.
@@kevinshields4380 isn't it amazing how far we have come since then. I use a Arc Haul now but still have my heavy canvas pack. I don't even do a day hike without my chair. I think my 1st backpacking trip was 76
Good list. I don't backpack but I do camp ultralight off of my dirt bike, and a small foldable tube chair like you have is an absolute must. It just makes the experience between setting up camp and going to sleep so much more enjoyable.
You are spot on with this analysis , and I too came to this conclusion on my own.
Yup! Resting the back is huge! Before the chair, I could only take sitting on the ground or on a log for so long; I’d just want to go lay down in my tent. I’ve got the REI 1 pounder. It goes on every hike.
It’s amazing how much a back rest improves things
When I was younger I was fine with using a piece of foam pad to sit on. As I am older (56) I enjoy my camp chair more. Same with my sleep pad. Closed cell vs. air.
Of course there is also the factor of terrain and distance on what I carry. If I am doing 2 or 3 days, I go more comfort. If I'm doing a 6 day AT section hike I will leave the chair at home.
there are times I will leave the chair, but even then I’d prefer to break up the hike and take my time. But that’s me. Thanks for watching!
I too love my Helinox Zero chair... being comfortable whilst cooking, eating and relaxing really aids my recovery after a long days walking. I also use it in my tent, i flip it over and sit on the backrest and lean back against the seat- again keeping me comfortable whilst changing, reading etc. It's an essential piece of kit for me.
I have the nemo moonlite chair that's a little under 2lbs. I love it and will forever bring a chair with me while in the backcountry. Mats or blow up mats on the floor isn't the same. I can definitely feel it on my knees after a few days of sitting on the floor.the extra weight is def worth it!
For me, being able to sit *and* have backsupport is a godsend when backpack camping. So, chair, yes.
I've recently acquired a Thermarest Trekker Chair which at 11.5oz w/out the bag leverages the inflatable sleeping pad (for me, Thermarest NeoAir XL) to create a very comfy arrangement -- I flip it over so the long side is against my back and it is a dream come true. However, I've also developed a repertoire of chair-making on-site skillls which starts with the premise "use what's there" -- bushcrafting.
Re: stream crossings... sometimes you have no choice but get wet, but first I'll go out of my way to avoid a deep crossing, or specifically, taking my shoes and socks and liners off which is a pain IMO. Often I do carry an UL pair of sandals similar to yours, but mostly for camp shoes in fair weather.
Thanks, good video
I'm leaving on a trip today and was debating on the chair. Unfortunately I don't have a helinox (would love one though!) so my chair will cost me 2 lbs. But I still think it might be worth adding to my 21 lb (with water and food) pack for this 3 night trip. #takeaseat ! 🤣 Great video!
same ... aint nothing beats the comfort at chilling in a chair at camp :D
thanks you saved me with the sandal thing, i apreciate your arguments
Same here on the helinox chair zero. I was introduced to comfortable sitting at camp and had to get one myself after that. There have been camps with great rocks and stumps to sit on, but it's never a guarantee. Having a stable back support for the evening just helps me feel great for the next day.
I agree about the knife, I'm more likely to injure myself with one of those razor blade cutters than a proper knife with decent handle. Much more control/security.
I see your point with the chair but not for me. If camping with a hammock I get an even better chair as part of your shelter system (no extra bulk). 😁
I have a cheap version of that chair and love it a lot! It is def a comfort item, but the morale it offers is priceless. I don't foresee myself ever striving for ultralite..anything. Stay safe.
Well put. That's all I need to know regarding bringing a chair.
Needed this video. Thanks.
My foam pad doubles as foot insulation in my hammock. If I'm stopping for just a few minutes, the pad is fine. If I'm stopping long enough to set up a chair, then it's long enough to set up a hammock.
Unfolding a chair is significantly easier than setting up a hammock.
Give the chair a shake and it practically sets itself up
Just to add to the chorus in favor of the chair: I started packing an ultralight chair on my multi-day trips when I turned 50. If the idea is to enjoy yourself and not have an aching back from resting, then the chair was a game-changer. All my luxury items are related to resting and sleeping. With a good supportive backpack, I don't mind or even notice the weight during the day.
I'm glad I saw this video. I would not have considered a chair an integral part of an ultralight setup, but you make a very compelling argument.
Glad to see the chair getting so much love. Bought two of the Helinox Chair One for canoe tripping about five years ago. Then I bought the lighter Chair zero for hiking and bikepacking. You better believe my butt appreciates the comfort of a chair after 8 hours peddling my a** off in the saddle.
Steven, getting passionate about the chair! Lol! But I'm totally with you... The comfort is worth it for me! #takeaseat
Maybe over the top. But hey!
Yes definitely agree with your stance on the chair. As another viewer commented, as you get older ( I am 65) the comfort outweighs the weight. I have the same chair and some days its even a stretch to get in and out of it but once in its relaxing over a sit pad. Depending on the hike I have extended same thinking and used Thermarest cot under a tarp. Comfort at expense of some weight. If I was 25 I would think differently I'm sure.
I just got back from Olympic NP and 4 solid days of rain. I don’t know what I would have done without my chair. I put gear in it to keep it off the wet ground while at camp, not to mention keeping myself off the wet ground. Chairs are the way to go. Thanks for watching!
I'm 25 and I bring what I want, and what I need. If it's heavy, then I need to train. I want to live like our ancestors. Endurance hiking makes me feel alive, and as though I'm fulfilling my hearts desire. I Am passionate about putting myself through physically challenging situations. Hiking the mountains with my entire camp on my back uplifts my spirits. Screw ultralight, I'm going ultraheavy. 😎
Great review and thank you!!!!!!
Thank you for your video! Like your points a lot. I’m definitely planning on investing in the chair and tevas too for my upcoming trip!
Thanks. And that’s awesome! I don’t think you will regret it.
I know it's a huge amount of weight compared to either camping knife, but I always take my kukri with me backpacking. It has such incredible utility, that it's worth the weight. You can skin game with it, shave wood, chop logs, remove brush, etc.
I tried the helinox and some other chairs at REI a few days ago and man, they actually caused me a quite a bit of back pain. I took my thermarest z seat on a two night trip and worked quite fine sitting on a stump or on the ground. For the cost of these things I rather buy a few more z seats and stay old school. By the way I'm 59 and have some beat up joints over the years. Sadly the chairs ain't going to work for me 😕
It’s good you tried it and realized it wasn’t for you. I agree that the weird angle the chairs put you at aren’t for everyone
Great video! On the knife front, I suggest packing a few *single edge* razor blades-the ones that are rectangular in shape. I work in a physics lab and use them all the time as they are (by definition but seriously) razor sharp, dirt cheap, and surprisingly ergonomic (seriously). For those concerned with lightness, they weigh next to nothing and typically come individually wrapped in paper making them always clean and useable in place of a far heavier razor with a handle. As someone who has used these razors to cut perfect 300 micron hexagons out of metal for experiments, they are far more ergonomic and useful than you might think.
Tip: hold onto used blades to use for applications like pencil sharpening or wood shaving.
I am not an ultralight guy, but you convinced me I need a backpacking chair. I LOVED your rebuke of the "tough guy" argument. Bravo.
Everyone should carry a pocket knife capable of minor bushcraft chores (batoning wood) in case things go really bad and you're in survival mode. The weight of a 3 inch blade won't make a difference in the long run.
don't know what it weighs, but I carry a 'mini peasant' knife with a blade by Svord. Handle is made in New Zealand. I LOVE this knife. Legal carry in the UK (cutting edge 3" or less, doesnt lock) but the design is superb. Only knife I havent cut myself on by its lack of a lock, downsides? the blade metal likes to rust if you dont care for I and if you dont make a cover for it it can open in your pocket (no lock) but that is because I have set it to be easier to open. Costs peanuts and still going strong after years of abuse, with a good edge kept for what I use it.
Packed a chair one time. After that one time, I packed it every time.
Excellent points made.. I'd like to try those chairs!
I have a chair Like the one at 1:38. Uses whatever sleeping pad you carried, it;s just some nylon and 4 fiberlgass rod/ stays. Very lightweight. But the lumbar support at camp make it a critical item. If they make a lighter chair than that I can see how it might be too skimpy or uncomfortable, but a chair at camp is a whole new world.
You convinced me, I’m sold. I’m going to buy one. I used a small foam pad, it was okay but not the most comfortable. I always wanted a chair and what you described with the pros and cons, it’s worth it. I can easily shave off a pound elsewhere.
At last a channel that make sense without all this exaggeration about weight making fool choices. Bests regards from a Venezuelan follower!
Just bought a Helinox. Used it this past weekend and love it.
I just came back from 5 days backpack … I was wondering whether I should bring chair to reduce weight … but I’m extremely happy that I brought it! I was so relaxed during my hike and cocking was so easy. Thanks for the campaign :)
I started packing a chair last year after a couple decades of trips. Night and day. Love your point about the weight in oz vs the "weight" in back pain. When I was young, I could sleep on the ground and sit up without support. These days....
I always take my Chair Zero when I'm backpacking or wild camping...Wouldn't leave home without it, however, I used to use the Helinox ground sheet on it all the time to keep it from sinking into soft ground, which added another 160g (5.64oz) to the weight, but now I use a much lighter alternative, which I could make myself for very little cost...Two PVC "load spreader tubes", one that clips on between the back legs and one between the front legs. These are made from black 20mm OD x 2mm wall PVC electrical conduit (in the US you will probably only have access to an imperial sized PVC conduit, like 3/4" OD (19mm OD) being the nearest to 20mm), but 20mm is ideal.
These are drilled at regular intervals all round with 34 x 10mm holes to reduce their weight. And a further two 13.5mm (0.531") holes are drilled about 1/2" in from each end to take the legs.
To enable them to clip onto the legs you first have to remove the rubber feet on the end of the legs...This takes 30g (1.05oz) off the weight of the Chair Zero...Reducing the weight to 464g (16.36oz). The two tubes together weigh 88g (3.10oz), so minus the weight of the feet, they only add 58g (2.04oz) to the weight of the chair zero, instead of adding 160g, saving 102g (about 3.6oz). flic.kr/p/2m5Th6Q
The lightest outdoor shoes for crossing waterways I know of are Jackshibo Water Shoes from Aliexpress. I have a pair in Euro size 43 (UK 9.5), which together only weigh 62g (2.18oz)! They double as ultralight camp shoes/slippers, and as they are designed for the water they dry very quickly.
As they slide on your feet like normal shoes they protect your feet from direct contact with rocks and stones, and the best bit is they only cost $4.68 a pair including tax and free postage!
I rarely have a use for a knife on the trail either, but after adding up the weight of carrying separate ultralight tweezers and scissors, and my Svord Peasants Knife Mini, I quickly realised I could save a lot of weight by just taking a Victorinox Classic SD Swiss Army Knife instead, which also has scissors, tweezers and even a toothpick. It weighs less than 22g (0.77oz).
You my friend are 100% on point in all three of these.
100% agree, at a hut recently the most used gear were some old chairs that could go outside. It’s on my wish list now!
Its nice to see someone else make all the smart choices I made. I started off ultralight as hell and decided quick it wasn't worth the loss of comfort. I get criticised on my chair, My water shoes, my cutlery My throw down and my hydration bladder lol and my choice of tent. All things people end up being envious of. I figured out quick that I'd rather be comfortable after a long walk at the campsite where you still end up spending a lot of time than worry about an extra KG on my back. Which with the weight I'm carrying really is nothing. I've seen people get up soaked because of the daft tent they used just to save 400g. My tent might weight just under 1200g but it wont get condensation. It's spacious and will survive bad weather. Well worth it. My water shoes meaning I can take my boots off after a long trek. Can even go play in the water with my feet fully covered. Just for an extra 240g. And then return to my nice comfy chair with my fully sized towel watching everyone else be miserable at this point. What for 550g. There are some things that are jsut well worth a little bit extra weight. Especially decent knife and tools. Who wants to slash themselves open with a camping blade ffs. For the saving of what? Maybe 50g to 100g?
I love your take and appreciate your candor. 👍🏼
Thanks!
100% with you on the Helinox Zero, took mine on the Rae Lakes Loop this Summer, and that wonderful piece of kit will go on EVERY SINGLE HIKE I make from here on out.
Totally agree! Carried the REI chair on the 84 mile STS in PA last summer. Well worth it hardly noticed it. Well worth the little extra and made camp so much more comfortable and relaxing.
I have both a chair and a Nemo Chipper (similar to the ZSeat). I use the Chipper to sit on and stretch in the evening and put under my head when I sleep. I struggled with the weight of the Chair, but ultimately decided it is worth it.
My camp shoes are Crocs Kaydee slides. They're 4.8oz for a women's size 6. Because they're slides, they're not the best for water crossings, but I have lightweight Chacos that I can use if I know water crossings are going to be likely.
Love it! First hike with younger brother - sit on pad. Miserable. Second hike, carrying chair. Very comfortable in camp. Also love the flip flops in camp, too.
Just reaching out to thank you for your reviews. This is from our trip to Switzerland and chairs make everything better. We got the umbrella too and had a blast. I get this hiking think now is hard sometimes miserable and it hurts but once you see the views it pays off again thank you.
Such a quality video and channel, subscribed !
Thank you. Glad to have you here!
Love the videos my friend I'm totally a subscriber now
I’d give other things up before I give up my chair. Great video!
I just brought my chair to a camp in the San Bernardino Mountains on the pct, so glad I did well worth the weight I absolutely hate having to sit on the floor when I set up camp.
i have only been watching your videos for a DAY and I'm loving them!! and this video tells me you have a mindset like me take the extra pound and #TakeASeat!! i appreciate your videos please keep it up you have a new fan!
I use a Crazy Creek Helix, and besides working as a chair, I find it very useful for hauling my paintings when I go on watercolor painting hikes. The folding style protects the larger paper from damage and dirt and I can just thread it under the straps on the back of the pack.
I have never tried using a completely ultralight style kit, but I see a lot of value in reducing the weight of the big pieces of gear I use most. I only do longer trips when I’m canoeing. My family’s preowned Souris River Kevlar canoe is so worth it for the ability to easily move the canoe around when it’s on land, we don’t feel like we’re going to injure ourselves when we lift it. I can walk a portage with our canoe if I need to without help. I always bring a chair, because being comfortable is important to me. I have one of the knockoff brand ultralight folding sling chairs that has an aluminum tent pole with shock-cord and aluminum hub style design, it’s comfy. I balance that out by bringing a kitchen that would make Samwise Gamgee from LOTR proud and bringing a really comfortable sleep system. I can see some future purchases, if I win the lottery🙄, being a very light but spacious tent, a good quality camping quilt, and an exped long wide thick and lightweight sleeping mat.
The more I listen to your reviews, the more I realize we think alike. The thick wide sleeping pad with premium pillow, down quilt as opposed to bag, xero sandals that are not comfortable, and the use of a light weight chair. You're right - that's all there is to it! I used to use a sub 1 lb Crazy Creek chair that rolled up and used a Thermarest pad inserted into it which made up the back and the seat. It had straps that adjusted to how much you wanted to lean back or sit up. It works great with the Thermarest, but 1- they don't make it anymore and 2- my new thick Nemo Tensor Wide insulated sleeping pad doesn't fit it. I just spent a week in the Sawtooth mountain backcountry in Idaho. All the Ponderosa Pine trees have sap running down them which ruins your clothes and your pack if you try and use those trees as a back rest. And it's tough to pretend that the sharp granite rock is good for "chairs". It's too hot to go anywhere within 6 hours of Kansas City now, but in a month I'm buying a Helinox Zero- and then your t-shirt!. Thank you for the time you put into your videos. Great job. Come up to the Ozarks and we'll hike one day.
- Jake
I can get behind #TakeASeat. Two Christmases ago, my girlfriend's sister got us these two sportneer collapsible chairs. Until that point I'd never seen a chair that fits in a backpack before. I wish you knew how much we use these things. We take them EVERYWHERE. Little picnics in the park, the beach, camping, outdoor concerts, everywhere. These chairs have made it onto our list of outdoor essentials
Good effort mate, well said ..
God yes on the chair. I picked an UL version up at REI, and it's one piece I don't hike without. Something about sitting in your chair sipping a tea and watching the sun rise is perfect.
Couldn’t agree more! It does sound perfect!
About three years ago I saw one of these small folding chairs like the one in your vid. Put I'm cheap and the one I bought is 3.5lb. And I bring it every time. The quality of living with resting, cooking, carving, any camp activity were you sit is worth it every time.
I'm a backpacking noob. After watching a bunch of your videos I decided a chair was right for me. Super glad I did. Makes the camping part so much more enjoyable.
Right on! Welcome to the club
Re Tevas - totally agree! Recently injured my foot and couldn't wear my hiking footwear... but my Tevas were fine to wear. Hiked 2 days including >10 river crossings. and came home happy.
Best thing I ever did taking one of those chairs on a canoe trip. Revolutionized my experience.
I chose my pack based on this premise - yes, I could have bought a lighter pack, but the pack I did buy was far more comfortable to wear than the other packs I considered. It's not ultralight, but it fits my body very well and keeps the weight positioned where I need it to most comfortably carry the load.
LOVE my Helinox Zero. Game changer in comfort and goes on all trips now. Bike, kayak, trek.
LOVE my Crocs. They are light, float, slide on or use w the heel strap, and wipe dry. So many plusses except the look. Tried many others over 4 decades and Crocs are it.
Knife is either a lightweight Gerber or usually a Victorinox Classic SD. Tiny but useful.
Great video! I have that Helinox chair and it is more comfortable that you'd expect. Besides, it weighs, indeed, not much. I love your down-to-earth approach to hiking. No BS, just facts
Couldn't agree more -- and I carry a Helinox Chair One XL. At 54oz it's a lot more of a commitment to carry, but I'm older and have a really large frame (think NFL lineman-sized) and sitting comfortably can, for me, make or break a stop on the trail or when camping. It's comfortable, easy, and it takes my weekend loadout from 22lbs to 25lbs, either one of which is a rounding error for what I can comfortably carry. I start feeling it at around 35lbs, so the chair wasn't even a debate for me. I like being comfortable, especially around a campfire or a shore, and these chairs are a great means of being comfortable. Thanks for the video, it's an important topic!
Thank you for the sandals review. I was considering the purchase, although they look very flimsy, just because I thought my Tevas were too heavy. Well looks like I will be saving my money to put toward lighter weight gear in a different category.
Dude, as a Xero, Teva and
Naturehike chair owner. I get you 100% New subscriber here! Oh, and I am a diehard classic Victorinox Swiss Army user. Happy trails!