From a Winter Tent to a Summer Tent in Minutes - Hilleberg Unna Mesh Inner Summer Conversion Kit
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- This is an Absolute Game Changer!
In this episode Luke is discussing the Hilleberg Unna Mesh Inner which replaces the fabric inners so that Hilleberg Tents can be used in the warmer months.
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Hilleberg Unna Mesh Inner - 4 Season to 3 Season Conversion Kit
What it is : Some time back, I posted a video about the Mesh Inner Conversion kit for the Hilleberg Nammatj tent;
The kit converted the shelter from a 4 season tent to a 3 season one and I’ll quickly explain what that means.
Hilleberg is renowned for their 4 season tents; within this category of shelter, their tents are frankly the best of the best in terms of strength and storm worthiness.
While their 4 season tents excel in the winter time in cold conditions, those types of shelters are the opposite of what you want as the temperatures rise.
This is why;
Double wall 4 season tents feature a fabric inner like this and this fabric inner provides some true benefits when camping during the winter months.
It blocks wind drafts, blocks snow from entering the tent body, and it holds in heat.
Think of those properties for a moment;
Blocks wind drafts and holds in heat. This is the exact opposite of what you want in the summer when it is warm;
You want as much air flow as possible and you want warmth to be released instead of being trapped.
That’s where is product comes into play -
The last time that you all saw the Unna on my channel was back in the winter when I was using the tent in a winter storm. It performed incredibly well in the storm that started as a freezing rain event, then transitioned to a wind driven snow storm.
The tent performed just as a 4th season tent should but now that summer is here, it is simply too warm to use this tent comfortably.
Until now!
This is the Hilleberg Mesh Inner for the Unna and it replaces the fabric inner so that this shelter can be used in the warmer months.
If you saw the Nammatj Conversion kit video, this isn’t going to be all that different other than we are focusing on the kit with a different tent.
I find this sort of gear interesting and I wanted to share this content with those that do as well.
How important is this kit? That is a great question -
Without it, I would never use this tent in the warmer months….it’s absolutely miserable to do so.
It’s like this, you go camping with this tent or similar, you set it up and let's say that it’s 80F outside. Inside of the tent, it can easily be 20 - 30 degrees warmer and again, that’s because the fabric is hold in in heat and it’s limiting air flow.
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Price : $230
Weight: 1lb 9oz
Can be set up on its own when using the tent poles - requires 6 stakes to do so.
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Speak of how the fabric inner is removed and the mesh inner is installed
Compare weight of fabric inner and mesh - does the mesh weigh less?
Quality ?
Installation Difficulty?
Noticeable differences
Thoughts -
Worth the money - For those who plan to use their strong Hilleberg tent in the warmer months, this mesh inner is a no brainer as the benefits are massive.
A Hilleberg tent with a fabric inner in the summer is basically unusable in warmer conditions whereas with the mesh inner, it becomes a supremely strong tent that can be used in the 3rd season.
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Tent Availability : Akto, Anjan 2, 3, Allak, Enan, Helags 2, 3, Kaitum 2, 3, Soulo, Soulo BL, Staika, Nallo or Nallo GT 2, 3, or 4, Nammatj, Nammatj GT 2, 3, Rogen, and Unna tent.
Product Availability : unfortunately due to the shortages and limitations which many industries are facing today, the mesh inners for most Hilleberg tents are exceptionally hard to locate.
How did I find this one : I called outdoor retailers all across the country and asked them to take note of my name and number and what I was looking for.
It took 6 months but finally I found one and here it is.
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Listen my friend. I have been watching you for many years now. Your photography is world class talent. Your videos follow those same lines. You're interesting and everyone enjoys your content. I and we especially love your agenda free reviews. Personally I hope that you don't ever change either your conviction of honor or your desire to tell the truth of the quality of these products that you review. Many many of us are grateful for the genuine reviews of multiple products that you provide. Ty so much!
Hey Luke, I love my Unna!!! I started with the Nallo 2, just a little to big for me allone. Then I looked to another tent, little bit smaler. I was looking for MSR, Helsport, EXPED …, and at the end, Hilleberg again, the Akto. After two trips, I thought, ok a little bit more space in the inner would be perfect 🤷🏻♂️. Looking around at the brands, hmmm Hilleberg again, the Unna. For me the Perfect tent in fall and Winter time in the bavarian forest, mountains etc. I used know for 5 years, no issues, no problems, no damages. That’s the reason why I use and love my Hilleberg.
Greetings from Würzburg, Bavaria/Germany
Late Saturday night post, nice.
Nice 👍
I’m a massive Hilleberg fan and have four currently. They’re simply the best tents on the market.
It’s very windy and wet here in Scotland so Hilleberg tents are ideal.
In Scotland too, have 3 myself, the Akto, Soulo BL and Anjan 2 for better weather. I went the hilleberg route after getting a Wild Country tent flattend in a storm at Cairn Gorm. Over the years buying 2 Aktos , Soulo, Soulo BL, Nallo, Anjan 2, Nammatj 2, Tarra.
@@DemiGod..I like your style. I had an MSR Hubba Hubba destroyed in Glen Feshie so you live and learn.
I currently have the Enan, Allak 3, Keron 3 and Soulo BL. Best tents on the market. 👍🏼
Love the picture of you three and happy birthday to lukas
I have the mesh inner for my Unna. It's truly a game changer. It makes the tent super comfy even in very warm conditions.
Would you say it is still good in strong winds with the mesh inner?
@@ApiaryGaming Sure, the outer tent is very stable.
Luke👍👍Hilleberg tents reign supreme for principal, design, materials and workmanship, of course they charge a premium for this level of quality few manufacturers can equal. Can't complain about the cost as you know it up front and it won't do you any good anyway if you're looking for the pinnacle in a tent. I'd say happily pay for the mesh inner regardless of tent model and enjoy the season your experiencing. Enjoy!
Congratulations on getting the summer kit for the tent!! Hilleberg is tops in design, quality, strength, and durability. Weight is always worth it with a Hilleberg. I agree that the price is quite steep but I believe it to be worth every cent in the field, where it counts. I'm not criticizing you for wanting to save money where possible, that's a good virtue, but I am very willing to pay the premium for a Hilleberg six days a week and twice on Sunday.
I use the mesh inner from spring to late autumn in Norway and that makes Unna a real four-season tent. The weight difference between mesh and solid inner is 64 grams/2 oz on my kitchen scale. It has been sold out for a long time, but can be bought from Hilleberg at the time of writing.
Evening Luke! Not in my price range, but I am glad you have it! I feel some comfort as a wolf pack friend that you have a good 3-season tent now!
Ever consider trying the Hilleberg Enan? It’s very light and has the best airflow of any Hilleberg I’ve used. It’s my go to tent for the summer months here in the UK. Thanks for giving us a look at the mesh inner of the Unna! Love the channel! ATB
Hillegerg's genius design where both the fly and the tent go up together. Even swapping out the tent and the mesh inner takes only a minute.
Lol, Hilleberg did not design that ! Its called a Nordic pitch and many, many Euro tents have it.
I’m trying to get back into camping and I’m really glad I found your channel! Keep up the great work Luke!
You did find the needle in a haystack. It’s impossible to get UNNA mesh inner in UK and anywhere else! Thanks for vid. Good effort finding it and thanks for the company who did contact you!
I bought a Rogen, and I'm waiting for 2023 for Hileberg to start making mesh inners. My name should be on the list. Once I get an inner, the Rogen will probably be the only tent I ever need which is exciting.
Looks like a great birthday present!!!!
A good review Luke. Thanks.
You like showing off the good stuff. Thank you, I don't blame ya.
honestly one of the best... the big opening door gives the sense of free and cozy feeling...
for cooking, seeking views and relax...
Just managed to nab a like-new Unna and mesh inner. Can't wait to set it up!
I'm happy with my Litefighter 1 tent with winter liner, which I bought after watching your review.
Ditto
Luke I think it a good ideal buying the hilleberg unna mesh inner that will replace the fabic inners that would make the tent much cooler to enjoy in the summer time thank you for sharing this with me
💞 your show 😎
Thank You Luke, was good info yes it's a bit night the price but I would invest in it especially if I camp a lot. So appreciate You your videos Hi Susie LOVE and GOD Bless You all 🤗⚘⚘
loooks pretty amazing
sounds like a great 4season tent"
Thanx 4 sharin....
Pretty Cool 😎
I wish I had bought one of these years ago they have got very expensive over the last 5 years.
Happy camping
I dig Hilleberg tents...Out of the price range of most...My go to tent here in Portugal is the Salewa Litetrek II ...bang for buck...tough to beat...Cheers!
Very interesting
Waited similar time for the Allak inner, super stoked to be able to take that out in the summer months too!
Have you tried it meanwhile? Does it make much of a difference, given that the regular inner tent doors of the Allak are mesh already and the other sides are blocked by the outer tent anyway? 🤔
Thanks for showing this and if I could afford their tents, I would want the same thing. The problem I have with these tents is the cost is ridiculous. I have a North Face all season tent that I purchased 20 years ago and it is still going strong.
I waited until covid struck and a lot of people started selling 2nd hand for great prices . Bought a Soulo with mesh included and an Unna …last one never used good stored , both fit less than half price. Still waiting for a second hand Unna mesh ….🙏🏽
Hilleberg last forever, fantastic quality 😀👍🏻
Will be definitely getting the Nallo 2 GT mesh inner when it comes available here in Australia, we’ll worth the price in my mind.
I have one for my enan. I love it
Yeeaahhh, as high quality as that seems... I'll stick with my Litefighter plus cold weather kit as a year round option.
I use a Geertop 4 season /2 person tent that I feel have been great so far , I’ve used it in the summer and with the netting inside keeps it nice with vent and double doors . The cost vid what most can afford also .
i bought nallo 2 and sleep in it couple nights and i like it. Its getting cooler in finland already so the fabric inner will do just nicely. Lets guess it was about 10c and some moisture those nights, not necessarily rain tho. It is not expensive when you think about what it requires to make one. I come from manufacturing so i understand easily. Expensive or valuable is the thing.
It 's very worth it
I discovered your channel a couple of months ago. I have subscribed and watched many, many of your videos. Thank you so much. I have not watched for the product reviews, although I have learned a lot. I enjoy "going camping and hiking with you". I particularly like watching your snow adventures while it is currently Las Vegas, Nevada summer outside. I can escape the heat mentally! You and Suzie are so nice and personable and seem to be very good to and for each other. I recently watched your daughter's graduation and loved hearing how much she sounds like Suzie. I have only been camping a few times in my 62 years. I feel I would enjoy it more now having watched your videos, as well as a few other channels. I have learned many tips and techniques to make camping simple yet comfortable. Do you ever use a drone to scope out areas to hike or camp to? I find myself having coffee with you often. Cheers my friend, cheers!
I have a Hilleberg Tarra. Both ends of the tent are mesh. Or closed if you prefer. And a good top vent. True four season tent.
Have been searching tent's recently, and found your channel.
Firstly, thank you for the reviews.
Secondly, would definitely pay a premium for something I can use for all seasons.
This may suit(pending stock).
The other I was looking at was the nemo moki.
Can't change the inner(single wall), but plenty of mesh to open up.
Only issue would be if it rains.
Nice job finding a mesh inner for that tent Luke. I'd like to try that setup here in Florida, but the fact that I can get 6 naturehike monger 2 tents for the price of that setup makes me wonder if it is worth the expense. The improvement in airflow would have to be substantial to justify it, but I'm a fan of Hilleberg and their support is fantastic. Just not sure if their tents make sense here. 👍
Hilleberg is expensive but they are the best. I have a Nammatj 2 GT for 9 years, used it a lot and still going strong. In summer it is hot so the mesh could be an option. Just ordered the Soulo BL, so I might consider the mesh inner.
I was wondering where you found a soulo BL for purchase. I have trying for sometime now to get one myself. Thank you for any information you would be willing to provide.
waiting 4 soulo mesh!! SOLD OUT all time
Luke I just took the risk and purchased a Wakeman dome tent from groupon. 34 dollar's regular price was 60. I'll try it when it gets in.
Nice
They are expensive but as you've said you get what you pay for. I dream to have one of those tents one day :)
i finally got the mesh on its way to me
I am an MSR man, which should be right under Hilleberg. I think they have great products, but price and availability stop me every time. I use the lanshan 2 in warm months, I eat light, sleep light and pack light. You take care of your gear like I do, so yes, I can see this being a good purchase. 👍
I use since many decades the Australian RID. It worked everywhere against all kind of bugs. Also US. Give it a try
For a few extra pounds you can have the Staika which has two doors that have mesh that opens up for more ventilation plus two vestibules. The Staika is the all round choice in my opinion. It’s their best tent.
The Allak would be better as lighter. The Unna is fine for his winter camping, who wants to lug around 10lbs , particularly in summer? . Best tent is debatable, I got and preferred the Tarra rather than a staika which is more spacious being a geodesic tunnel, but now prefer the Soulo for winter as the Tarra, like the Staika is too heavy to lug around unless you gonna use it for a basecamp tent. For summer have an anjan 2 as even the Soulo is too much to lug around when you dont need a storm tent.
Very worth it, if you are camping in a place where you need a tent like that. Otherwise it's just a waste of money , but if I was dropping that kind of money on a tent I'd want to be able to use it all year round
I own a Red Keron 4GT, and the "getting roasted in the summer" is real. Even with the mesh doors open front and rear, the entrance mesh door open, and the air vents aimed at the wind, it can get uncomfortably hot. I suspected this would happen, but I wanted to give it a shot, and 2 weekends ago I learned my sweaty, uncomfortable lesson.
I experienced a similar heat build up in the early spring of 2022 when I got my Keron 4GT. Temperatures got down to 26 during the night, I was for the most part warm and happy in my Nemo Disco 15 with a Nemo Alpine sleeping pad. Come the sunrise the light hitting the exterior warmed the tent significantly, the inner tent was at least 20 degrees hotter than the outside air (approximately 40ish degrees if I recall).
The heat that material can trap is next level. Great when you want to wake up in Mid-Atlantic, Appalachian cold to a warm enclosure. It can be pure misery when you're trying to stay cool when a large tent is needed for gear storage.
I have wished they would design the nammatj and the keron so you can roll back the vestibules like you can with the nallo and kaitum. So at least you could get some more airflow. It is unfortunate that the Keron GT and Kaitum GT don't have mesh options either. Also ironically the Red color should be the least heat absorbing of the colors hilleberg offers.
Could always set up a tarp above to reduce heat absorption, but them you have more weight to pack.
@@neonsamurai1348 yeah, I was kinda shocked there wasn't more options for airflow at the back outside unzipping and rolling up the rear door and securing it. It leaves the vestibule open, which could cause issue if it rained.
A full mesh liner would be awesome, but I am happy with the purchase. It is large enough for myself, my equipment and another person and their gear if needed. A good Basecamp tent for sure, but I won't be packing that 12+ lbs beast anywhere far from the truck.
I mean every tent is hot as balls if there's direct sunlight on in
Aloha and Mahalo! I sounds expensive but you got to pay to get the better product. In Hawaii may not need a four season tent but for us it can get cold at times so who knows.
Gotta try the Helix 1 from Alps Mountaineering. I got it for $139 but it is $239 now. Probably because it's worth it.
GOOD TO C U BRO..... ALWAYS LOOKING FORWARD......A LOVE 4 SEASONS TENTS.... 👍
one of these days ill have that set up
Looks decent, I still like the Litefighter conversion to 4 season just because it seems like the unna would be still warm just because the outer is made to withstand the 4th season that much more.
Yes agree, I bought the litefighter based on Lukes review and what I need in OZ...and snow isn't really a big consideration...and the price!
I bought a Hilleberg Acto back in 2004, and it is a total sweat lodge in warm weather. I switched to hammocking years ago for most of the year, unless the temperatures are below zero, Fahrenheit. The Akto holds in heat, but also every molecule of moisture from breathing and perspiration. It frosts up heavily, and is so small that I can't help knocking the frost back down on myself. The fly itself doesn't have enough ventilation options. I doubt that the mesh would help at all in warm conditions in rain, where it must be buttoned up. There is no flow-through ventilation unless you leave the end vents open, and then you can get splash back if the rain is heavy and the wind is strong.
It is very good at shedding wind, for a single pole tent, and has a big vestibule, is bombproof for its weight, but way expensive.
I concur that, in the Northeastern United States, one would do well to look at other designs for anything other than winter, short-term hikes. It's tough to get the frost and moisture out.
As nice as it is, I'll gladly stick with my Litefighter setups. I have 2 tents (one camo, one tan), a footprint, an extra set of poles, a cold weather kit, and a camo net to go over the footprint/extra poles as a hide. I have less than $400 into all of it and most was bought Brand New. I made a pair of Tyvek footprints for the tents themselves to use since that is lighter, smaller, and cheaper than the official footprint from Litefighter.
Hey Luke Im from Germany and Ive recently met another type of that insect here too! They appear in swarms and bite merciless, leaves tiny drops of blood too. Horrible beasts.
It would have been nice to see the inner mesh setup as a stand alone too. Also if the outter had a flap on the back side of the tent, it would allow even more air flow.
Thanks for this video, very much needed!! I was wondering if you weighted the tent with the mesh inner instead of the regular one. You said that the mesh weight less but on the Hilleberg website it says that with the inner mesh there is not a significant weight savings.
When it comes to Helleberg nothing is ‘too expensive’.
Hello Luke, it's great to see you useing a quiet tent not cheap crap.
Looks like this tent will be a hot box , not enough venting for true summer camping
hi man i love ur vids can u answer this can u do a costom stent test pls?!!
I have the Staika, and HAD to get the inner mesh after the first year. I'm in Minnesota, where we see upper 90's and HUMID in the summer and down to -30 or colder in winter. LOVE the Staika, but absolutely boiled my brain in it one summer eve without the mesh. Not doing that again!
I waited until covid struck and a lot of people started selling 2nd hand for great prices . Bought a Soulo with mesh included and an Unna …last one never used good stored , both fit less than half price. Still waiting for a second hand Unna mesh ….🙏🏽 Yep ….price is very very expensive .
Oohhh you got one!! 🤩 Sweet!! So, what is the total weight loss of the tent? I love my Unna in all seasons, except warm sunny summer days. I always try to find a spot to set it up in the shade from the morning sun. Or else I risk waking up at 06:30 soaking in sweat! 😂 summer nights up here in Swedens north mountains are cool or cold , could be down to freezing so there is no problem sleeping. It would be nice to be able to get away from wind and bugs during the day though, or to sleep a couple hours longer in the morning. I will weigh my inner tent and do the math to see the benefit of weight loss. Then I will decide if I will try to get one as well. Great review Luke ! Many thanks.
Ok, my inner weigh in at 680g so there is obviously no weight benefit by replacing it with the mesh inner.
I have a mesh inner for my Niak. It’s a 3 season tent and it’s too warm at lower altitude because only the door is mesh. I usually am at higher elevations now in Colorado, so I don’t use the mesh inner anymore but it’s nice to have. I’m curious if you get any airflow with the mesh inner and the outer closed up? I might like to switch to this as my all rounder. Smart design. I’ve owned a lot of hilleberg tents and the Niak so far has been the best experience. So fast to put up and take down and side entry is very easy to get in and out of. I don’t like the 2 zipper setup on the Unnas inner door but other than that it’s a great design. With a mesh inner it could potentially be in there most of the year. It would be nice if Hilleberg offered your choice of inner as an option when purchasing. Anyway thanks for this video.
Kind of related to this modification, thoughts on a bugnet with a bottom as your "tent" under a tarp? I'm looking at some that should work for this idea as a way to lighten things up.
Some Swedish quality right there for ya! :D And yes, all wilderness stuff you can buy from Sweden is super expensive, we straight up rob the people over here hahaha
0:59 you can see one of those pesky flies right on the burning log 😆
Hi luke do they do a.esh for the stika .Great videos.
The price of a Hilleberg product is always very high,since both quality and that they are made i Estonia (EU) Swedish Hillebergs factory is located there, with more expensive labour costs than most asian countries is also one of the main reason why their products have a high price tag. But Hilleberg is Great stuff. 🙂
Would be interested in seeing your thoughts on the OneTigris Tentsformer
I think the main issue is buying something that expensive (the inner, I already own the full tent), is taking into considering the weight and the narrow range of temperatures that would make the inner necessary. I would not take my full Unna on a summer bikepacking trip. However, I just did a trip in late August and needed to camp at 9,200 feet here in Colorado. The temp dropped to 28 degrees which was on the limit of my Big Agnus 1 person tent (less that 3 pounds, very thin outer shell , mostly mesh inner). I needed to wear all the clothes I carried; down jacket, wool hat, etc., to keep kind of warm. But it worked. So is it worth the extra money and weight penalty for a limited use application? Don't know... It would be interesting to know how the Unna outer tent and the mesh inner would perform in just-below freezing conditions, say 25 to 32 degrees. Likewise, it would be interesting to know how that combo works in say, 50-70 degree nights (most summer nights in the US at lower elevations). I'm going to Peru and Bolivia for a month long bikepacking trip in October where the average elevation will be 14,000 feet and I'll bring the full Unna tent for sure.
Given the price point for this tent could/would it make more sense to buy a Litefighter tent and get the 4th season mod? Granted it is a single person tent and typically more military looking visually, but you get a typical 3 season with a 4th season direct addon, versus a 4 season with a whole different tent solution to make is a 3 season. Just thinking out loud. It’s a great deal easier to find both the tent and the addon with the Litefighter as well
Yes and I just tweaked my stretcher so it can be used on that too...very versatile and way more pocket friendly!
Great job as always Luke, no I don't think it is worth that much money for the mesh inner , you can buy a hole new 3 season tent for that or one even cheaper
Good for RTW travel by motorcycle. Ever check any European camping supply stores?
Thanks for the video. May I ask, what sunglasses do you have on? I need a pair like that. Are they comfy?
Good evening from Syracuse NY Luke and Susan
I'd love to be able to afford a Hilleberg, and if I could, I'd just have the 1 tent, with the 2 separate inners. After spending all that money, I don't think I'd have any kept for a bunch of different tents. I'd have to sell the 2 I have now, and that might make a small dent in the price for the Hilleberg. 🤪🤣
They're great tents, and I enjoy winter camping so I'd put it to use. If I win a lottery or something.
Have you tried any of the Kuiu gear like their rain gear or packs? curious to know if it holds up to the other major brands?
KO Dirt Blaster will drop them bees like rocks. Order some
How do you fit the inner without the fly please as the poles go through the fly?
Think the lite fighter would be better, get the 4th season conversion kit
This product is as useful for campers as a Bugatti Chiron is for commuters.
What tent would you recommend for 2-4 person? Looking for a new tent as my son will be going from cub scouts to Boy Scouts. The boy scouts camp all year long and earlier this year they were camping in -4F temperature
Luke would Smidge - a product available here in U.K. work against those sweat bees? Might be worth a trial over across the pond?
I would rather just have one good winter tent for short hikes or canoe or sled trips and 1 to 3 summer options. I only sleep in the tent at night I dont' have tea parties inside. But if I was having tea parties inside its a nice option.
Great product but 230.. is a crazy price. Not many people can afford paying so much money. My best wishes from Greece
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Great tent just got better, expensive, but quality. Just wish I could find one...
I do the same with my Soulo
Where do you keep all of your tents, or other camping and outdoor gear? There must be a lot of it by now.
If it did EVERYTHING, it’s worth it. I wonder how the tent would now perform in heavy rain. I’m sure it’s waterproof, but wouldn’t you have to close it up to keep the rain out? I’d think it’d get awful stuffy on a rainy summer day.