I had NEVER used eldredge before the retro and started leveling her up in prep for it. After setting her loose in the fleet post-retro I was shocked.... 😏😎
Little Belfast Vs Honolulu, a match lost in history books, its rumored that Drachinifel will make a video of that obscure battle. The funnie was the 5 minute disclamer XD
I finally came around to understand which ship is what just by looking at their feet like Jimmy once told me to and now he puts name ;w; JOKES ASIDE thank you JIMMY! I value ur opinion a lot in the tierlist for AL, it helped me a lot as a returning player!
What happened to Mainz? She does great damage among the CL pool and she's soo bulky that you can just throw damage boosting AUX gear on her to widen that gap even further. All while still being bulkier than the vast majority of CL's.
Being bulky is one thing, but her damage? I guess no. Ibuki with her new module literally blasted the mobs with her torpedo barrage, plymouth outright beat her in the CL category. Even sandy has better damage than her thanks to her new module too. She was getting dusted with newer ships and upgrades.
A few damage boosting aux items isnt that great of an increase here, as damage boosting aux items more benefit BBs, CV and Torp heavy carries. Mainz is neither of those and even with the best FP boosting aux items, the gap is just too great to consider her. Not taking pure RP/waifu comps into account obviously. The good thing about this game is if its strictly campaign content, you can pretty much make anything work and RP/Waifu fleets can work as well. Ive seen people clear 15-4 with collection-tier ships.
If your vanguard speed is slow enough and the boss doesn't move much you can use the USS straight torps with slight homing on Unzen for much higher hit rate than regular fan spread torpedoes since unlike destroyers she doesn't have the reduced torpedo spread perk. You can see it in action here in the Rodney META fight th-cam.com/video/X_Uud5ZeE4E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-000x55Mor0eCX1R&t=160
I would also include non-statsticks into statsticks tier list. If you need a statstick are you going to ignore unused Plymouth? No, right? Even without her BB buff her damage is solid.
Whats the Aux you are referring to when it comes to Golden Hind? i just got around to building her coz i finally got her from the recent Tempesta event.
From my limited testing (mostly in OpSi and 14-4), Watarase on various mob and boss fights beats Bayard on damage quite often (using a regular flagship with 457), and occasionally by rather large margins. Depending on how you set up the flagship (like ones with preloads, fast loads, or even Kearsarge with 5+ second stagger) you can make her damage go to very high numbers. I think it'd be difficult to tier her due to how heavily you can skew her damage based on flagship choice.
I'm just posting this now because I'm using her and thought of this video but man, Fargo is putting up super good numbers for me. Obviously its just "end screen damage" but I'm shocked at how good it is so far. Once she's fully raised I'll really need to test her out.
Very good video. Was sleeping on eldridge for some reason, so I still don't have her skills maxed out , now that I know she can outperform literally agir I am going to start using her, still find it weird how a destroyer escort gets so much power but hey, if that means I spend less time in chapter 15 the better.
Shes not that powerful. Shes only really slotted for her 10 second immunity gimmick. Similar to Helena for her debuff only. Even 125, oathed, retrofitted and augmented, Eldridges damage is abysmal. Most fights don't really last long enough to take full advantage of her gimmick, at least not enough to slot her over a much more outright powerful ship. I keep her around for niche scenarios where her immunity is absolutely crucial, which isn't very many things.
On the topic of vanguard I have got a question. I do like to use the shimanto gun (Triple 150mm proto) on ships like Kronshtadt and Kala ideas. But how does the gun work, does it benefit in any way of the ships‘ AA stats? In the case of Emden e.g. who doesn’t have an aa Slot, does her stat contribute if the gun is equipped?
I think Wichita meta is a suicide dps that's supposed to be used in metas and other short fights, not campaign. I ran her 3 times against herself and she was pulling Plymouth-tier damage, but rarely survived to the end.
Not sure why you say Mogadors DPS is lacking, but I do notice most people neglect the fine print on her skill. If you maximize her EVA her DPS soars. With +13 beaver squad and steering gear shes pulls almost identical DPS (with just +10 on her UR gun) than my Hinden does with double +13 drake guns and +13 torp. Before I put the EVA items on her, I would have agreed that her DPS is a bit lacking.
She's still underrated and I don't understand why. She's surprisingly tanky and only Unzen beats her in damage... maybe Hindenburg too but they're close
I have Jintsuu META at 125 and use her a lot. She is definitely mid-low A at least imo. Haven't used her in the end game campaign maps and I'm not sure she would do well there but in boss fights (and exercises if that counts) she's been good. I think of her as kinda just a better Noshiro. Slightly lower HP is made up for with the zombie skill. Better skills and better important stats (RLD, TRP, FP is the same as Noshiro). Noshiro is a better waifu though.
I use Nubian because history. The tribal class is the Genesis of the modern Destroyer and their crew elites of the royal navy. Though I am not backed by data I feel the skill of nubian's debuff skill though weaker than Helena, would be more consistent on single targets, obviously I am incredibly biased and not as well informed as you hope people and enlighten me on the more exact stats and performances. I guess I just hope Nubian is good like she was in history. P.S. Sorry for rambling Tldr: Nubian was good in history, interesting skill, I hope she good
@@paulbishop251 indeed, i think a good start would be afridi, the flagship of the Mediterranean Destroyer Floatilla, or HMCS Haida the only preserved ship of this class.
As expected. An all S-tier fleet, barring some niche as-needed utility, will always perform at the top and you should have no issues clearing pretty much any content, aside from a few META/monthly Challenge Mode bosses that require a synergy gimmick to easily clear
They called me mad when I went full Stan/Simp for Eldridge Retrofit, the huge buff she got vindicated me, in the end. I feel Fleuret should be a bit higher, just besides Lung Wu.
Im more on the fence. Her module definitely made her get a revisit, but after using her in various fleets/scenarios, I lean a bit towards the side that shes a tad overrated right now tbh. Her damage is still abysmal, her AA is lacking a bit too and most fights dont last long enough for her immunity to matter and many times only goes off once. This is in contrast vs just putting someone far more powerful outright there. The only time I see a real genuine case for her atm, are in fights where her 10-second immunity is absolutely crucial.
Pretty solid, I would say Wakatsuki and z23 retrofit are amazing value for the oil they cost to field and deserve a better score though... Especially considering how easy it is for newbs to get z23 and how much torp she adds when you need it for a requirement.
i think watarse deserve A, she got no utility but has high potential based on equipment (15% dmg acc and rld) and the way she can trigger her barrage wich have stupid dmg i use hyuga to proc it 6 time per minute maybe we ll get something better in the future
*squints hard double-checking all tiers* No Yuudachi retro? She's at least B tier. Definitely power crept for regular players, but an absolute vanguard beast for newer players and in the age of Shimakaze, i could throw her, shima, and noshiro on a vangaurd fleet and let them chew through any map. 😂
Shimakaze can clear 99% of the game solo on manual, including every single event. That alone makes her S tier. Easily more valid than performance in one off team comps for singular META fights.
OOF I took a break for 2 years and now my girl Ayanami is out of the picture entirely. Just RIP. Also I missed Eldridge Retrofit by 2 months, RIP RIP RIP. Wonder when it will rerun or arrive in shop?💀
@@vanadiumpfeil1487 My mistake. She is still available in store. And those items have always returned, and quickly. He didn’t play for two years, so he can easily wait two more for content he skipped.
@@araarashinigami that's not how that works. Now that I have interest again, I want to keep playing. I don't want to drop it for another 2 years and miss out a bunch more skins and new girls
i was surprised to see unzen and shimakaze not together since both got their place depending on the boss with shimakaze having far better hit value and unzen better damage potential
@@zyztem8775 I tier Helena the same way, for same reasonings. On Auto, Helena requires a lot of gimp speed adjusting from everyone else to take full advantage of, while also being an abymsal ship and a waste of a slot IMO. You can put pretty much any top damage dealer there and in my tests the damage difference between them and Helena is greater than the added damage the rest of the team does with Helena, combined.
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Your dry humour is something else. Love the serious approach with the sarcastic undertone.
Sorry Jimmy, not having Noshiro or Birmingham in the cute tier makes this an unacceptable tier list to me
I see youre a fellow birmingham lover aswell
Birmingham also is low key a great ship
and her swimsuit skin is a freebie!
Eldredge retrofit upon seeings stats: low damage, mid, and underwhelming.
Eldredge retrofit upon using: SHE BREAKS THE GAME!!!
I had NEVER used eldredge before the retro and started leveling her up in prep for it.
After setting her loose in the fleet post-retro I was shocked....
😏😎
Thats how most CC'ers approached Mogador and Amagi CV as well. Quick to dismiss them off the datamines, complete meta now lol
@@junkiexl86 I am pretty certain Mogador wasn't meta till the damage cap was added
Shimakaze being below S tier is insane to me.
Mine outdamages my main fleet ships fairly often lol
@@funkmaaruSame, she's insane
Outclassed by augment Ibuki in short fights and Unzen everywhere else
Little Belfast Vs Honolulu, a match lost in history books, its rumored that Drachinifel will make a video of that obscure battle. The funnie was the 5 minute disclamer XD
*Epic music with naval artillary fire intensifies*
I finally came around to understand which ship is what just by looking at their feet like Jimmy once told me to and now he puts name ;w; JOKES ASIDE thank you JIMMY! I value ur opinion a lot in the tierlist for AL, it helped me a lot as a returning player!
I still use Shimakaze with Jintsuu and Yuudachi on Hard Event maps just cause I like watching them fly across the screen.
Actually amazing tier list, looking forward to the next ones
Z23 has been my main Vanguard girl since 2017 so she's instantly S tier (Yes even cleared W15 with her)
For campaign content, sure. You can make pretty much anything work for campaign content.
What happened to Mainz? She does great damage among the CL pool and she's soo bulky that you can just throw damage boosting AUX gear on her to widen that gap even further. All while still being bulkier than the vast majority of CL's.
Being bulky is one thing, but her damage? I guess no. Ibuki with her new module literally blasted the mobs with her torpedo barrage, plymouth outright beat her in the CL category. Even sandy has better damage than her thanks to her new module too. She was getting dusted with newer ships and upgrades.
Her damage isn’t good anymore by modern standards and she’s not bulky enough to make up for it.
A few damage boosting aux items isnt that great of an increase here, as damage boosting aux items more benefit BBs, CV and Torp heavy carries. Mainz is neither of those and even with the best FP boosting aux items, the gap is just too great to consider her. Not taking pure RP/waifu comps into account obviously.
The good thing about this game is if its strictly campaign content, you can pretty much make anything work and RP/Waifu fleets can work as well. Ive seen people clear 15-4 with collection-tier ships.
can’t wait for the next tier list! great vid!
Why aren't Suffren or Kersaint in the cute tier, unacceptable.
16:27 i'm completely clueless about the "uss destroyer torp tech", what's this?
If your vanguard speed is slow enough and the boss doesn't move much you can use the USS straight torps with slight homing on Unzen for much higher hit rate than regular fan spread torpedoes since unlike destroyers she doesn't have the reduced torpedo spread perk. You can see it in action here in the Rodney META fight th-cam.com/video/X_Uud5ZeE4E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-000x55Mor0eCX1R&t=160
How’s Bristol as an EVA debuffer? She seemed to get more use a couple of years ago.
I would also include non-statsticks into statsticks tier list. If you need a statstick are you going to ignore unused Plymouth? No, right? Even without her BB buff her damage is solid.
Thanks for the shoutout :D
peak tier list
Thank you, was really informative.
You were cookin with the cute tier big Jim 💪🏼
Whats the Aux you are referring to when it comes to Golden Hind? i just got around to building her coz i finally got her from the recent Tempesta event.
explained at the beginning here: th-cam.com/video/jatSdscA_ZY/w-d-xo.html
@JimmyAL tysm!
19:03 speaking of Drake, where's Drake?
Behind the camera.
She can possibly be on the top tier, just wait for her augment I guess....
In the trash.
....where she belongs
Seeing that Cheshire is low A, problably mid A? Honestly no one has fallen out of relevance harder than Drake, sadly.
S tier in my heart
From my limited testing (mostly in OpSi and 14-4), Watarase on various mob and boss fights beats Bayard on damage quite often (using a regular flagship with 457), and occasionally by rather large margins. Depending on how you set up the flagship (like ones with preloads, fast loads, or even Kearsarge with 5+ second stagger) you can make her damage go to very high numbers. I think it'd be difficult to tier her due to how heavily you can skew her damage based on flagship choice.
I'm just posting this now because I'm using her and thought of this video but man, Fargo is putting up super good numbers for me. Obviously its just "end screen damage" but I'm shocked at how good it is so far. Once she's fully raised I'll really need to test her out.
This is awesome, thanks for making this useful tier list
Jimmy! Bayard or Plymouth for PVP ?
I love your videos 🖤
Finally a tier list that doesnt put half of the entire roster in A tier
Very good video. Was sleeping on eldridge for some reason, so I still don't have her skills maxed out , now that I know she can outperform literally agir I am going to start using her, still find it weird how a destroyer escort gets so much power but hey, if that means I spend less time in chapter 15 the better.
Shes not that powerful. Shes only really slotted for her 10 second immunity gimmick. Similar to Helena for her debuff only. Even 125, oathed, retrofitted and augmented, Eldridges damage is abysmal. Most fights don't really last long enough to take full advantage of her gimmick, at least not enough to slot her over a much more outright powerful ship. I keep her around for niche scenarios where her immunity is absolutely crucial, which isn't very many things.
Agir and her have different purposes. Agir is still the best boss tank
Cleveland when she gets her retrofit . . . trust
Glad that my waif Kawakaze made it to the list. truly ageless shipgirl~
This video is about to convince me building a PR1 ship.
On the topic of vanguard I have got a question. I do like to use the shimanto gun (Triple 150mm proto) on ships like Kronshtadt and Kala ideas. But how does the gun work, does it benefit in any way of the ships‘ AA stats? In the case of Emden e.g. who doesn’t have an aa Slot, does her stat contribute if the gun is equipped?
My good patron , may i have the link to the wallpaper on the background
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@@JimmyAL legend
Kersaint missing from cute tier. Your heresy will not be forgotten
Thank you for this
trust me having kashino in all your fleet gives you a garantueed win
I think Wichita meta is a suicide dps that's supposed to be used in metas and other short fights, not campaign. I ran her 3 times against herself and she was pulling Plymouth-tier damage, but rarely survived to the end.
Yes. This is what we in the know call, a "glass cannon" lol
@junkiexl86 no. A glass cannon means squishy. Wichita’s skills make her actively lose HP aka suicide
No McCall s tier with her infinite torpedo damage, made 60% better with her augment?
Not sure why you say Mogadors DPS is lacking, but I do notice most people neglect the fine print on her skill. If you maximize her EVA her DPS soars. With +13 beaver squad and steering gear shes pulls almost identical DPS (with just +10 on her UR gun) than my Hinden does with double +13 drake guns and +13 torp. Before I put the EVA items on her, I would have agreed that her DPS is a bit lacking.
I heard some questionable things about her dps so I never built her but I’m gonna try this now
She's still underrated and I don't understand why. She's surprisingly tanky and only Unzen beats her in damage... maybe Hindenburg too but they're close
Anchorage should be S tier imo she's probably the best tank. She's amazing. Besides that I think this is a great list. Thanks for the video
Napoli outclasses her now
Now the gaming journalist are going to come after him
I have Jintsuu META at 125 and use her a lot. She is definitely mid-low A at least imo. Haven't used her in the end game campaign maps and I'm not sure she would do well there but in boss fights (and exercises if that counts) she's been good. I think of her as kinda just a better Noshiro. Slightly lower HP is made up for with the zombie skill. Better skills and better important stats (RLD, TRP, FP is the same as Noshiro). Noshiro is a better waifu though.
Halford not on the list when her only competition for DD with planes is a collab ship from 2019 makes me sad
I use Nubian because history. The tribal class is the Genesis of the modern Destroyer and their crew elites of the royal navy.
Though I am not backed by data I feel the skill of nubian's debuff skill though weaker than Helena, would be more consistent on single targets, obviously I am incredibly biased and not as well informed as you hope people and enlighten me on the more exact stats and performances. I guess I just hope Nubian is good like she was in history.
P.S. Sorry for rambling
Tldr: Nubian was good in history, interesting skill, I hope she good
We definitely need more of the Tribals in the game.
@@paulbishop251 indeed, i think a good start would be afridi, the flagship of the Mediterranean Destroyer Floatilla, or HMCS Haida the only preserved ship of this class.
@@paulbishop251 also, would be funny to add the WWI Zubian...
Best ships. Okay I will put all S class ships in my OS fleets. (This was intended to annoy you). How well do think that would work (real question)?
As expected. An all S-tier fleet, barring some niche as-needed utility, will always perform at the top and you should have no issues clearing pretty much any content, aside from a few META/monthly Challenge Mode bosses that require a synergy gimmick to easily clear
this video just makes me wonder what agir's fs5 is gonna be
A slight buff to her red and yellow skill
They called me mad when I went full Stan/Simp for Eldridge Retrofit, the huge buff she got vindicated me, in the end.
I feel Fleuret should be a bit higher, just besides Lung Wu.
Im more on the fence. Her module definitely made her get a revisit, but after using her in various fleets/scenarios, I lean a bit towards the side that shes a tad overrated right now tbh. Her damage is still abysmal, her AA is lacking a bit too and most fights dont last long enough for her immunity to matter and many times only goes off once. This is in contrast vs just putting someone far more powerful outright there.
The only time I see a real genuine case for her atm, are in fights where her 10-second immunity is absolutely crucial.
4:34 Is the real start
Pretty solid, I would say Wakatsuki and z23 retrofit are amazing value for the oil they cost to field and deserve a better score though... Especially considering how easy it is for newbs to get z23 and how much torp she adds when you need it for a requirement.
i think watarse deserve A, she got no utility but has high potential based on equipment (15% dmg acc and rld) and the way she can trigger her barrage wich have stupid dmg
i use hyuga to proc it 6 time per minute maybe we ll get something better in the future
only shima unzen and hiden deal more dmg than her i think considering they are also in the perfect environment
Watarase is really strong,she is carrying me a lot in exercises... Her area damage potential is insane
Another great video. Can't wait for the next one
*squints hard double-checking all tiers*
No Yuudachi retro?
She's at least B tier. Definitely power crept for regular players, but an absolute vanguard beast for newer players and in the age of Shimakaze, i could throw her, shima, and noshiro on a vangaurd fleet and let them chew through any map. 😂
Shimakaze can clear 99% of the game solo on manual, including every single event. That alone makes her S tier. Easily more valid than performance in one off team comps for singular META fights.
I agree, but the problem is Unzen. What legitimate reason where you had to chose, would you ever take a Shima over an Unzen?
@junkiexl86 augment Ibuki beats her in short fights too
OOF I took a break for 2 years and now my girl Ayanami is out of the picture entirely. Just RIP. Also I missed Eldridge Retrofit by 2 months, RIP RIP RIP. Wonder when it will rerun or arrive in shop?💀
You buy Eldridge from the store and retrofit her like any other ship, smh.
@@araarashinigami no, Since its an UR retro you need a special item to get the Modernization
@@vanadiumpfeil1487 My mistake. She is still available in store. And those items have always returned, and quickly. He didn’t play for two years, so he can easily wait two more for content he skipped.
@@araarashinigami that's not how that works. Now that I have interest again, I want to keep playing. I don't want to drop it for another 2 years and miss out a bunch more skins and new girls
I wish Baltimore was good
i was surprised to see unzen and shimakaze not together since both got their place depending on the boss with shimakaze having far better hit value and unzen better damage potential
Where's my girl Suzutsuki at? 😢
Suzu!
It doesn't work. I've tried to get it to work.
Are you using it in mobile by any chance?
@@Niko_993
Mobile yes, but have it set on desktop. So I can see everything, but nothing works.
@@solomonscourt8118 the drag doesn't work on mobile. I will see if I can do something about it. Sorry for the bad time
I normally ignore tier lists, having Scylla as B tier is just reaffirming that I should ignore them as shes clearly S tier!
napoli where
I talk about her right after Golden Hind
Why are you posting here Sam, you AL unofficial tier list people always make fun of Jimmy on your discord lol
Perseus is the best vanguard ship
Vanguard is best vanguard ship
Arizona best ship, cause ocean front property.
sry but not sry shima is s tier
she is S tier if you manual torp
definitely not if you auto tho
@@zyztem8775 lies
U r right
@@zyztem8775 I tier Helena the same way, for same reasonings. On Auto, Helena requires a lot of gimp speed adjusting from everyone else to take full advantage of, while also being an abymsal ship and a waste of a slot IMO. You can put pretty much any top damage dealer there and in my tests the damage difference between them and Helena is greater than the added damage the rest of the team does with Helena, combined.
Do not come.
Do not.