Appreciate whoever wanted me on the m2 list at the 4th spot LOL, i know you were mostly jus tryin to get through the low tiers quick but I gotta say for overall influence i'd put Syrox over me for sure since he was really the first (as far as i know) to push the more technical side with stuff like tp teeter cancels and all that. As for active m2 players Zhyrri would also be a good mention, though it seems like he doesn't get to travel much so he's kinda stuck winning a lot of his locals but not being able to attend many majors
Bombsoldier is the biggest pioneer of modern Falco. Crazy how technical he was in 2006 and how he messed up Ken, before Ken debuted the Marth chain grab on FD against Falco.
@@dirtydard4870 yeah I know im late but ur fkn neurons are literally goop leaking out of ur ears be careful not to tilt ur head too much if you dont want ur mush mind to degrade even further
Crazy that just 2 years ago Cody wasn't even really considered for this list. Dude came up fairly slow then suddenly destroyed everyone became very disliked, and is now becoming liked while staying on top. I think thats more impressive than anything. Staying in the top 2 and not slowly becoming more hated by the community is something you dont see.
It's the effect that players have when they're good enough to beat top players but not good enough to win, people get pissed off that they're eliminating their favorite player and they don't have many fans themself because they don't win.
...did someone really just ask what did Isai do? Btw I love how in the beginning it's actually interesting conversations for the Top Tiers, but as we get lower and lower Cody's just like fuck it why not
I am so happy to see a video of yours again I have loved watching your videos when you used to upload them, though I assume they were mostly made with panda editors and production which is why you couldn't continue as well as paying for editors might be hard love hearing you talk about the game and I just dont have time to watch streams so happy to see you again
Captain Falcon is rough Every Falcon on the list deserves to be on the Mt. Rushmore, easy but then there's n0ne, and Bobby Scar I wouldn't want to remove anyone from the list, but I don't want these guys not mentioned LOL
Armada Shine? Literally has mainstream Fox tech named after him and he’s somehow not in there for fox. He was number 1 in the world, one of the 5 gods, and debatable Goat.
Idk Adam's Fox was there for 3,5 years and only really used for Hbox and sometimes Leffen who traded sets with him all the time. His Peach did 90% of bracket work just like Plup's Sheik. mang, every mid-/lowtier hero, m2k, PP, every Falcon, Plup, almost every Spacie, IC and Marth got taken care of by Peach.
Lowkey Nintendude was slept on for ICs. That guy getting upsets and being ranked top 20 at the game at some point got people so heated. He's without a doubt responsible for a lot of the infamy that surrounded the character pre-wobble ban. Kinda sucks too, feel like Nintendude was a pretty chill guy. I do think overall he was a pretty influential player for ICs though In terms of contributions to the character's meta though I think your list makes perfect sense tho tbh
Glad Cody gave some credit to M2K. Idk why, but it seems like these days people act like he doesn't exist. Feels like I am missing something to be honest...?
I definitely agree. M2k is by far the guy who labbed the most info about the game. Say what you will about how he plays but a conversation on the history of melee and all the good that was done over the years is a dishonest one if m2k isn’t mentioned as one of the all time greats.
Jah Ridin is the current best Luigi, and he is the only one to master Luigi's chain grab (apparently the hardest chaingrab in melee). He should be up there.
On god silent wolf would have been on there if not for the axe set, the smash communities tendency to beat memes 6 feet under took away from some of his legacy. I do also agree with the chillin pick, he’s actually in a similar boat to silent wolf where the 5-0 meme became what the community knew about him for awhile, but he also had the benefit of being featured in the smash doc to balance it out
Yeah, I get Cody’s point, but I think the overwhelming majority of current marth players would list PP as their biggest influence. He only played marth for two years, but those two years of marth featured the most transcendent movement I’ve ever seen from the character, even a little more than Zain (specifically movement).
@@matthewflanagan9101 yep, as much as Zain as defined some match ups, PP defined the modern marth meta in general. His dash dancing and punishes are what Zain and Kodorin tried to emulate on their come ups
Honestly think you might be overvaluing tourney results. Imo Mt. Rushmore is more about influence and creating foundations for character play styles. So players like Bombsoldier inventing pillar combos, vudujin inventing the vududash for luigi, Armada inventing the Armada shine for Fox, m2k with his marth chain grabs, etc. And then players creating iconic moments with characters like Armada counterpicking Young Link, Plup's luigi, Bizzaro Flame's salty suite set.
Honestly if I had to put M2K on only 1 of these lists it would be Fox. He developed the character so much early on even before he was a successful player.
This may be a hot take but I think n0ne deserves the falcon spot over s2j. S2J has crazy longevity but when we are talking about mt rushmore, influence has to come to play and i think n0ne both achieved more in a shorter time frame than s2j and I think he elevated and pioneered falcons combo game/movements more than johnny. Im pretty sure theres a chef rach tweet that says n0ne did more for falcon than almost anyone in the modern meta or something along those lines. Lots of modern falcons took shit from n0nes playbook. So i think for those reasons he should've gotten that 4th spot from johnny (respectively cuz s2j is also sick)
I think the reason why I’d still put S2J over none is the longevity of how S2J plays the character, and not necessarily S2J’s career with the character (since we’ve covered that already). What I mean by that is that none was crazy innovative and good for a few years. He shocked the meta with things people had never seen and didn’t yet know how to beat. Unfortunately, people have figured out how to deal with none and he’s almost fallen off. In contrast: What S2J has brought to the meta has been consistently good the entire time he’s been playing. He released videos every once in a while about his game plan towards certain characters, too. None has definitely inspired a lot of players, and we can’t take that away from him. But at the same time, it’s similar to what cody was saying about westballz. If people keep trying to play like none in the long run, they’re going to plateau. Edit 1: Also if you don’t put S2J you’d have to argue that the reason he’s been good for over 10 years is because other players (different from the other 3 on the list) are better at labbing with falcon than he is. A claim like that would be ridiculous.) Edit 2: actually Bobby scar is probably a better counter to S2J than none. But damn not including S2J feels like a robbery 😂
I am shocked Germ isn't there for Link. Used to top 8 at MLGs as a solo Link main. Was at one point around something like 2004 or 2005 considered in contention for being a top 10 player...as solo Link main. (Admittedly I don't know three of those other Links or what they've done. I know Aklo obviously. I just know of Germ cause he was in my region).
"Ranking these by how IMPACTFUL they were, not how good they were" "Westballz singlehandedly stunted Falco's growth for years but was sick" which is it Cody? Negative impact is still impact! I picked up Falco and maybe even Melee as a whole bc I saw GRsmash combo videos of Wes doing goofy platform cancel shit. That's a big part of the character's legacy: people doing suboptimal swag shit and dying for it because they didn't want to laser in neutral
I agree with the falcons but something seems so foul by leaving out Darkrain and SilentSpectre, especially back when HMW was carrying the scene with his YT channel (thewaffle77).. I say we make an exception to add them haha
Zero disrespect intended here because you are cracked as fuck but I probably wouldn't put you on this list for fox. Mango, Armada, Leffen and Silent Wolf are probably who I would choose mainly because of the huge stylistic differences between them. In your play specifically I see a lot of influence from all 4 of those players and I think in many respects you've taken all of those strategies further and incorporated them into a single style but I think the way you play is so technical that very few people can learn something from you that they wouldn't have learned by watching older vods of the players I mentioned.
@@gortniteasdfafdsyea but I do get what this guy is talking about. Even cody said it himself. If this year wasn’t included he wouldn’t put himself on the list. And if one year is the deciding factor then there is an argument for him not being there. Definitely not the worst take possible is really all I’m getting at.
No way n0ne is not on ganon. He literally destroyed everyone on that list with ganon and also had better results with ganon. I can see why hes 5th for falcon tho
Glad u put Chillendude up there, man worked so hard, mad respect
Gotta respect the elders
Also surprised Bombsoldier didn't make the top 4 for Falco
Shoutouts to The Lake - rest in peace to an incredible person and a great player
can someone link his fox speech plz
Appreciate whoever wanted me on the m2 list at the 4th spot LOL, i know you were mostly jus tryin to get through the low tiers quick but I gotta say for overall influence i'd put Syrox over me for sure since he was really the first (as far as i know) to push the more technical side with stuff like tp teeter cancels and all that. As for active m2 players Zhyrri would also be a good mention, though it seems like he doesn't get to travel much so he's kinda stuck winning a lot of his locals but not being able to attend many majors
Falco needs bombsoldier
necessary take
W take
Bombsoldier is the biggest pioneer of modern Falco. Crazy how technical he was in 2006 and how he messed up Ken, before Ken debuted the Marth chain grab on FD against Falco.
Movin like the soldier
says what mt rushmore means as influential pillars and immediately disregards bombsoilder LOL
He looks so tortured once he got to the last 6 character lists🤣🤣🤣❤️❤️
I can't believe A Rookie isn't in there for mario... he's literally the mario goat
he wasn't including banned players
@@evanshanley8110 Not including "banned" players is just inhumane
@@dirtydard4870 yeah I know im late but ur fkn neurons are literally goop leaking out of ur ears be careful not to tilt ur head too much if you dont want ur mush mind to degrade even further
@@dirtydard4870inhumane?? bruh it a twitch stream melee ranking not Guantanamo bay
@dontcaremate You can be cruel to someone without having to torture, imprison, or murder them
Not even a Bombsoldier mention is crazy.
He was only relevant for like 6 months. His influence was big for that but he did not have the level of impact for Mt Rushmore
How is bombsoldier not on the falco mt rushmore
Crazy that just 2 years ago Cody wasn't even really considered for this list. Dude came up fairly slow then suddenly destroyed everyone became very disliked, and is now becoming liked while staying on top. I think thats more impressive than anything. Staying in the top 2 and not slowly becoming more hated by the community is something you dont see.
It's the effect that players have when they're good enough to beat top players but not good enough to win, people get pissed off that they're eliminating their favorite player and they don't have many fans themself because they don't win.
@@WhoPlaysMc That makes perfect sense. Except it doesn't really explain why cody has gotten more love. But for everyone else that makes perfect sense.
...did someone really just ask what did Isai do?
Btw I love how in the beginning it's actually interesting conversations for the Top Tiers, but as we get lower and lower Cody's just like fuck it why not
I feel like Bombsoldier needs to be on Falco. He dramatically changed how people played the character.
2:56 you can see a PPMD fan unsubbing in real time if you look at the bottom right
It feels so nice seeing a Cody video after all this time, fun stuff
I am so happy to see a video of yours again
I have loved watching your videos when you used to upload them, though I assume they were mostly made with panda editors and production which is why you couldn't continue as well as paying for editors might be hard
love hearing you talk about the game and I just dont have time to watch streams so happy to see you again
I know everyone's talking about Bombsoldier for Falco, which is true, but I feel like Dashizwiz deserves at least an honorable mention
Captain Falcon is rough
Every Falcon on the list deserves to be on the Mt. Rushmore, easy
but then there's n0ne, and Bobby Scar
I wouldn't want to remove anyone from the list, but I don't want these guys not mentioned LOL
Chillen for sure deserves the Mt.Rushmore. Great pull, not a hot take at all.
he's so effortlessly cool
nick falco reference is nuts
Armada Shine? Literally has mainstream Fox tech named after him and he’s somehow not in there for fox. He was number 1 in the world, one of the 5 gods, and debatable Goat.
Idk Adam's Fox was there for 3,5 years and only really used for Hbox and sometimes Leffen who traded sets with him all the time.
His Peach did 90% of bracket work just like Plup's Sheik.
mang, every mid-/lowtier hero, m2k, PP, every Falcon, Plup, almost every Spacie, IC and Marth got taken care of by Peach.
I don’t care for A Rookie as a person, but he’s def earned a spot on the melee Mario Mt Rushmore. Plus he’s still killing it on Slippi
he’s banned so yea can’t be on the list
Why is he banned?
@@MrAnimescrazy racism, transphobia, misogyny, and sexual harassment
@@ummbrDidn’t he get unbanned or am I wrong on that?
No Bombsoldier?
Cody Schwab down on Morse Code is still so great. I wanna see those VOD reviews
Unironically the 4th Mewtwo is Syrox, anyone who started playing mewtwo since the pandemic most likely did so because of him.
Lowkey Nintendude was slept on for ICs. That guy getting upsets and being ranked top 20 at the game at some point got people so heated. He's without a doubt responsible for a lot of the infamy that surrounded the character pre-wobble ban. Kinda sucks too, feel like Nintendude was a pretty chill guy. I do think overall he was a pretty influential player for ICs though
In terms of contributions to the character's meta though I think your list makes perfect sense tho tbh
Cody putting himelf on Mt. Rushmore is just the most pure American thing ive seen all day.
So glad the TH-cam videos are back, can't wait for more!
"Not in any order" Proceeds to have most of the characters be in order.
Glad Cody gave some credit to M2K. Idk why, but it seems like these days people act like he doesn't exist. Feels like I am missing something to be honest...?
I definitely agree. M2k is by far the guy who labbed the most info about the game. Say what you will about how he plays but a conversation on the history of melee and all the good that was done over the years is a dishonest one if m2k isn’t mentioned as one of the all time greats.
Honorable mention of Cosmo's Zelda
For DK i actually think Da might deserve a spot
Is South Dakota part of the Midwest? I’ve never thought of that before
wife should be there
bombsoldier for falco?
also maybe captain jack for doc idk
4:15 wth is that green thing that just dipped into frame?
Yahhh😂 wtf is this
Jah Ridin is the current best Luigi, and he is the only one to master Luigi's chain grab (apparently the hardest chaingrab in melee). He should be up there.
SilentWolf was influential, just for pikachu
too soon bro
It's so cool seeing people use the things I discovered and the uses always increasing
On god silent wolf would have been on there if not for the axe set, the smash communities tendency to beat memes 6 feet under took away from some of his legacy. I do also agree with the chillin pick, he’s actually in a similar boat to silent wolf where the 5-0 meme became what the community knew about him for awhile, but he also had the benefit of being featured in the smash doc to balance it out
Fun video. Great to see you back to uploading again Cody
LETS GO CHILLINDUDE
Spooky towel ? lol
Ps. BombSoldier
No germ for link :(
None not on falcon I'd kinda crazy. None was the first falcon to beat m2k sheik in years.
PP mentored zain and kodorin when they were coming up. That's why I'd put him over Azen for marth.
Yeah, I get Cody’s point, but I think the overwhelming majority of current marth players would list PP as their biggest influence. He only played marth for two years, but those two years of marth featured the most transcendent movement I’ve ever seen from the character, even a little more than Zain (specifically movement).
@@matthewflanagan9101 yep, as much as Zain as defined some match ups, PP defined the modern marth meta in general. His dash dancing and punishes are what Zain and Kodorin tried to emulate on their come ups
How was armada not on fox lmao
Glad to see you back!
Honestly think you might be overvaluing tourney results. Imo Mt. Rushmore is more about influence and creating foundations for character play styles. So players like Bombsoldier inventing pillar combos, vudujin inventing the vududash for luigi, Armada inventing the Armada shine for Fox, m2k with his marth chain grabs, etc. And then players creating iconic moments with characters like Armada counterpicking Young Link, Plup's luigi, Bizzaro Flame's salty suite set.
Honestly if I had to put M2K on only 1 of these lists it would be Fox. He developed the character so much early on even before he was a successful player.
This may be a hot take but I think n0ne deserves the falcon spot over s2j. S2J has crazy longevity but when we are talking about mt rushmore, influence has to come to play and i think n0ne both achieved more in a shorter time frame than s2j and I think he elevated and pioneered falcons combo game/movements more than johnny. Im pretty sure theres a chef rach tweet that says n0ne did more for falcon than almost anyone in the modern meta or something along those lines. Lots of modern falcons took shit from n0nes playbook. So i think for those reasons he should've gotten that 4th spot from johnny (respectively cuz s2j is also sick)
I think the reason why I’d still put S2J over none is the longevity of how S2J plays the character, and not necessarily S2J’s career with the character (since we’ve covered that already).
What I mean by that is that none was crazy innovative and good for a few years. He shocked the meta with things people had never seen and didn’t yet know how to beat. Unfortunately, people have figured out how to deal with none and he’s almost fallen off.
In contrast: What S2J has brought to the meta has been consistently good the entire time he’s been playing. He released videos every once in a while about his game plan towards certain characters, too.
None has definitely inspired a lot of players, and we can’t take that away from him. But at the same time, it’s similar to what cody was saying about westballz. If people keep trying to play like none in the long run, they’re going to plateau.
Edit 1: Also if you don’t put S2J you’d have to argue that the reason he’s been good for over 10 years is because other players (different from the other 3 on the list) are better at labbing with falcon than he is. A claim like that would be ridiculous.)
Edit 2: actually Bobby scar is probably a better counter to S2J than none. But damn not including S2J feels like a robbery 😂
Cool to see your doing videos again!
You got the old twitch link in the description
I am shocked Germ isn't there for Link. Used to top 8 at MLGs as a solo Link main. Was at one point around something like 2004 or 2005 considered in contention for being a top 10 player...as solo Link main.
(Admittedly I don't know three of those other Links or what they've done. I know Aklo obviously. I just know of Germ cause he was in my region).
I'm pretty sure DJ Nintendo was a pretty good Bowser in his day but idk
He's cancelled.
@@tloz171nfs oh rip
@@tloz171nfs Doesn't cancel the sick ass bowser plays he did tho
Hax has to be an innovator for fox the symbol of our hand pains
Bombsoldier over Zhu for Falco maybe?
It’s crazy watching this post Mekk ban lmao why are all the Gannon mains like this
TheManaLord should have been in there for Zelda. He is the only person consistently beating Top 100 players with the character.
At first I thought the title was “I was challenged to make a melee character Ft. Rushmore”
m2k was thee best shiek for like 6 years and wrote the edgeguard and combo game book for shiek
Not putting Germ in Link's is kinda wild.
ludwig snubbed
Sick, D2 Wilderness theme for background music.
"What did Asai do on Falcon?" Loll whaaaaaat
Being an FGC head and seeing Bum on the list threw me for a loop I forgot he got his start in smash
yay cody yt is back :))))
Cody content lets go
Wife and triff for peach???
Hello??? Where's Slime
"Ranking these by how IMPACTFUL they were, not how good they were"
"Westballz singlehandedly stunted Falco's growth for years but was sick"
which is it Cody? Negative impact is still impact! I picked up Falco and maybe even Melee as a whole bc I saw GRsmash combo videos of Wes doing goofy platform cancel shit. That's a big part of the character's legacy: people doing suboptimal swag shit and dying for it because they didn't want to laser in neutral
GroovyGreenHat for a ness spot
I agree with the falcons but something seems so foul by leaving out Darkrain and SilentSpectre, especially back when HMW was carrying the scene with his YT channel (thewaffle77).. I say we make an exception to add them haha
Amsah mentioned pog
cody upload W
Spot on list bro!🔥
No Bombsoldier is crazy
I feel like kjh definitely deserves to be in the fox list
woo cody
I’m sad to not see Hanky Panky in peach
Lets go GR
Fucking awesome video lmfao
I'm European and not knowing what Mt Rushmore is crazy
If Wes set Falco back 5y I think that's pretty influential lmao.
I hear Merkava's theme poggies.
No Wife for Peach? Who tf is Cort???
Zero disrespect intended here because you are cracked as fuck but I probably wouldn't put you on this list for fox.
Mango, Armada, Leffen and Silent Wolf are probably who I would choose mainly because of the huge stylistic differences between them.
In your play specifically I see a lot of influence from all 4 of those players and I think in many respects you've taken all of those strategies further and incorporated them into a single style but I think the way you play is so technical that very few people can learn something from you that they wouldn't have learned by watching older vods of the players I mentioned.
silent wolf has won 0 majors ever, cody has won like 10 and was just ranked #1 in the world for the year...
Yeah but he lost to morsecode so thats all pretty much null and void. @derekdickinson4839
@@gortniteasdfafdsthe list is about influence though
@@gortniteasdfafdsyea but I do get what this guy is talking about. Even cody said it himself. If this year wasn’t included he wouldn’t put himself on the list. And if one year is the deciding factor then there is an argument for him not being there. Definitely not the worst take possible is really all I’m getting at.
Love the Stardew Valley music 🥰
HELL YEA CODYYYY YOU #1
How is Mike G not on your Peach list. Replace Cort with Mike G
Algo comment 🗣🗣🗣
Just put plup on every list.
Do we just not speak about Bobby anymore like fucking Voldemort or something
Pog😮
Wait. Did SilentWolf die??
No lol he just lives with SilentSpectre
@eneruem oh. Good. Lol. Cody was like "God bless his soul", so I thought maybe he had died.
No westballz in falco, yeah im out
Westballz deserves it for me over zhu
No way n0ne is not on ganon. He literally destroyed everyone on that list with ganon and also had better results with ganon. I can see why hes 5th for falcon tho
Glad to see NoBitches not on the Ganon list👍
Very good. Now make a banned/toxic player rushmore 💀
Everyone on Mt. Rushmore should be banned
Bro who edited this
Legitimately bro who the fuck is King
the puff who inspired mango to pick up puff and become #1 in the world