The best character that never wins
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You're on your couch watching Melee. It's Day 2, but we're not too deep into bracket. @Jmook11 is destroying a helpless opponent on his way to yet another Top 8. The commentator says something about how historic his Genesis 9 run was, how he was the first Sheik to win a major. Your friend knows a little bit but they're not a true Melee head like you. So they ask: "Wait, isn't this character supposed to be good?"
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Hypothetically speaking: If Armada was terrible at fighting Sheik rather than being amazing at the matchup, how much do we think that would have changed the history of the character?
dude imagine ....
Unfortunately, armada had two brothers who just so happened to be very good sheik players.
@@devoncampbell3607 *brudders
@@blakerey4790 💀
@@blakerey4790 I concede that "brudders" is the proper title.
8:24 I've seen this a number of times and I just can't get over M2K's sheer confusion as to why any Fox would ever voluntarily go to FD against him. I love M2K so much
He counterpicked the King to his own castle
I believe Cody has a theory about counter picking Marths to FD. Something about winning there early to remove it.
But at that time SFAT was experimenting with the FD counterpick
It's to soak up a loss earlier in the set so the Marth doesn't use it later to swing the set over basically.
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Seriously, this is phenomenal work. Thank you for putting this together
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Loving watching your come-up man!
Bro you're changing the course of melee history. Keep doing what you love, it's inspiring 🙏
Amsah won ESA2 with solo shiek as a major right ?
It’s the guy! He did the thing!
Mooook
The part about how your main in a fighting game is more than just a collection of matchup charts and frame data was really great
So they aren't just functions after all lol
The biggest takeaway I'm getting from this video is that Hbox deserves to be on the Melee tier as his own character.
if hbox didn't play, jigglypuff wouldn't be top tier.
I played competitive melee locally back in 2006, and yeah Sheik was top tier, but even back then I remember people talking about how Fox had the most potential. Funny how it all played out.
Weird seeing you comment on a melee video
So what I'm hearing...
is that every single character specialist has a backup fox for hungrybox and hungrybox alone.
Odd username but you would be correct
Yeah Hbox got that big heavy. GOATed imo
Amsa doesn't, does Axe?
@aetherius6221 iirc amsa has played falco against hbox before. Not sure about axe tho
@@noinfo1018 pretty sure Axe has a Marth secondary for some like 80/20 MU
I can imagine hbox laughing his ass off at the cut to his pop off faint during the start of the explanation of him being the sheik slayer.
Gotta be honest, I love the tournamente recaps and previsions to death, but it was because of video essays like this that I subbed to Walt's channel
13:05 brb, this montage got me so hype I had to rewatch the Jmook G8 run
dude same LOL, it was so good
I had been waiting for a very long time for a solo Sheik main to win a major (and especially a super major). I'm so happy it happened. Sheik really needed that win, and I hope more people pick her up.
Amazing work. Thank you Walt and Jackie Peanuts for telling this particular story so beautifully ❤
everyone knew when they saw jmook's sudden breakout in 2022 that if a player could win a supermajor with solo sheik, it'd be him :)
We have 2 swedish sheik mains to blame for this. Armada's brothers were both sheik mains which made him cracked at the matchup
2:40 kudos to hbox for staying solo for how long? 16 years? In all this time he could’ve picked up a secondary for fox, but no no, he stayed stubborn and still got the status of being one of the 3 goats of melee. From my spectator perspective it’s seems extremely hard to solo puff, similar to solo sheik, but then again, what do I know, I’m just a spectator.
Hungrybox has tried a secondary fox. It did not go well.
Hbox is really good but so far he's only been able to do it with Jiggs, if he could pull it off with another character he would have a secondary at least.
Just wanted to say the way you animate the games with the free camera or whatever is so cool I love it. I don’t know if it’s hard or takes a lot of time or whatever but I just want you to know it is really really enjoyable and I appreciate it ❤
Love the bigger documentary content. I'm sure this takes a lot more time and effort to make, but I greatly appreciate it.
Technically speaking, you can't "solo main" Sheik since she can transform into Zelda.
That “Outside” Remix for the Genesis 8 run was fucking fantastic. I’d love it as a solo video.
Dude the EDITING. And the MUSIC. And the WRITING. This is it, Walt, wow, that was absolutely fantastic
The intro edit with you on Pokemon Stadium while Jmook did his combo was so sweet
Another turndownforwalt masterpiece. Excellent video-- I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish!
8:59 "all with solo sheik" zelda clip
Production values off the charts! I'd love to see more stuff like this!
LOVE the edits and structure of these. It's also insane that Hbox is such a force to manage the meta the way he did! 🔥 Melee is dope ❤
One thing I find very interesting about smash, as well as other fighting game communities as a whole, is that most competitive and even casual players all want to play really _really_ aggressively. Almost all of the players want to go in and hit hard and fast while the reaction based playstyles are few and far between. It feels like no one has the discipline to stop pressing buttons and just watch and wait for your opponent to screw up on their own.
It also makes sense that no one would find this playstyle viable since theoretically this kind of playstyle won't work at high levels where people make fewer and fewer mistakes. This makes it all the more satisfying and _terrifying_ when a player arises who can play that way and take advantage of everything their opponent does.
Technically, HBox played pretty defensively for a long while, using Puff’s superior aerial mobility to bait people into chasing him and punishing. Floaters fighting each other in general were prone to long games or timeouts. But this also looks like stalling and made people really pissed at the “lame” tactics, especially since Melee has a few techniques that give an unbalanced advantage to the defensive player, like ledge stalling immunity. It is technically possible for someone to get a % lead then stall forever. Anti stall rules didn’t really exist for a long time because most players, as you mentioned, like being aggressive and cool more than floating around and running away. Which did result in people, mainly Leffen, being pretty salty and proposing anti stall rules that were basically targeted against Puff.
wow, jiggly got 41 major wins and its like 1% mango, 99% hungry box.
Super pumped for content like this!
so well done, seems like you have a great set up for making quality content, happy for you guys
These videos are so well put together always a highlight. Thank you Walt.
you the man. I love your stuff, Walt. never stop doing your thing.
absolutely dope video walt bro keep up the amazing work
this editing style and bits is just amazing :) you are doing great and keep it up :D
Thank you for this incredible video Walt!
This was great, the in game camera movements had me particularly impressed !
Walt, you outdone yourself this time! You have a real talent for documentary making - combined with your passion, it gives me real hope that the smash community will be around for a long time to come. Ive seen documentaries that cost millions that were significantly worse than the incredible work youve been putting out there. Youre an absolute legend.
Been watching for a while and enjoyed all your content; this video was excellent. You have one more subscriber.
Great video, your production quality only continues to reach new heights
I am honestly so happy that you make documentaries for literally the greatest esport that has ever existed. Thanks, Walt :)
i didnt think worst and top tier could be in the same sentence
Well if there's multiple top tiers someone has to be the worst right?
great video, great editing. especially love the little jmook genesis frag video in there lol
Walt this is such a great video. Shoutouts for the sick content
Production on this is insane - awesome video
this is absurdly well made, bravo
I love the fact you have your own merch, but I love the Zoolander references even more. Much love king.
Amazing video, the melee community is as strong as ever and you love to see it
amazingly done as always walt
your content is so unbelievably high quality
That ad read was amazing
I'll always remember the Amsah vs EK reverse 4 stock. One of the moments that made me want to play Sheik.
Apparently that was also a major, which Amsah won.
It's sad that it took so long for people to actually acknowledge what this character can do. Sheik is quite obviously an amazing character but it takes a lot more than what M2K was ever willing to do and he defined Sheik for a long time. Now the meta is finally growing past these people who wouldn't do what was needed.
Another banger. Loved the G9 edit
another banger, Walt
i love the custom camera angles on the in-game reenactments
The editing is so good thanks for the great watch!
I don't know why, but I feel like for Melee to prosper it needs to progress into a new era. Not just in the game, the players, the TO's. But the community. It needs to come back together and focus on the game, and in some way I feel like this is a step towards that.
Love the more analytical/stats stuff Walt!
Now the question is: can Jmook become the first solo Shiek to get #1 on the rankings?
If he takes BoBC5 I think its pretty much a wrap for #1 in 2023 for him.
@@jman3l I have a feeling Zain takes BOBC5, he's had two 2nd places in a row there and has been edging a tournament victory ever since Lud's, so this feels like the time for him. But Jmook is also attending Tipped Off, Wavedash, and CEO, so he just needs to win one of those and his #1 for the 1st half is secured.
Ah idk dude.. he is looking sort of unstoppable when he is playing hot. Even when he isn't playing 100% he clutches everything out anyway (SFOP/SFAT sets). When he is 100% he makes everyone look like a fool 😆. Only hbox can beat him right now and even then it's a toss up. Jmook got better at puff/Juan match-up.
@@jman3l we'll see, Cody's beaten him this year, Amsa and Hbox are still bracket demons, and Zain was even in sets with Jmook before this year, so it's not far fetched to say he can take the next one. I do think Jmook wins Tipped Off though, especially since Hbox isn't registered to attend, so his only bracket demon there is Amsa and he'll probably get knocked out by Moky and Cody.
GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS I LOVE YOU WALT
great video thank you for documenting all of this :)
3:26 Yoooo where are my fellow Artemis Fowl fans at?
I never expected to hear Walt out of all people mention this goated series but I'm here for it.
I've missed these deep dives into specific moments in melee history and why they're significant
ARTEMIS FOWL MENTIONED!
Wild to hear that reference from someone in the melee scene, damn lol
The Artemis Fowl reference awakened a core memory in me
Man what a great buildup to the pop off incredible video
Beautiful story telling man
2:18 in and just gotta say thats the best ad read I've seen
Wish we had more videos like this melee has such a rich history! ❤️
amazing video as literally every other video u make
yo what a banger doc gj!
Amazing work
That Jmook montage was hard af!
great video walt! and congrats to jmook on his sick ass performances :)
This ones got crazy quality damn
This is one of the only sponsorships I watched through because it was genuinely entertaining!
Standing ovation for your ad…..
I’ll repeat that, as it’s never been said before in the history of the English language. Here’s a standing ovation for your Ad!
It 2:10 was awesome. Wow, those words feel weird, even typing it it out is strange….. anyway, cool vid lol
that montage around the 14 minute mark is like the hardest thing ive ever seen
S tier content. Your work is so GOATED
insane production on this
Has to be the funniest merch drop i've ever seen, the zoolander reference was simply amazing
Absolutely loved the sponsor segment, Walt would make a great model
I can't believe you didn't play the *gasp* he WAVEDASHED clip when bringing up Borp lol
Best add break ive ever seen
Banger editing on this one
Banger vid dude my god
Walt your G8 montage was so insanely sick
I subscribed because you carried a dog at the end. Love melee
Lololololol even if it was JUST the fashion ad break this would be an amazing video. Great job
Just watched the first three minutes and can confidently say, that this video is a banger
Idk what else to call them z-axis camera shots of the game were awesome
video masterclass by walt here lol awesome to watch
Borp can be summed up like this
Borp: using shrunken’s 1 by1
Commentators: he’s just standing there… MENACINGLY!
First time viewer. The editing is god tier. Time to binge
Hbox screams had me crying 😂😂😂
such a freakin good video omg
the t-shirt dd was top notch
Jmook is so fun to watch.
Walt you're the second GOAT only after JMOOK
This is one of the best t-shirt ads I've ever seen