People started doing this a lot in the UK a few years back when diesel went over £1 per ltr, shortly afterward the price of vegetable oil went from 20 pence ltr, to over £1 ltr so it was cheaper to buy diesel.
The Poles brought the idead over to the UK but they started filling up in supermarket car parks and the retailers caught on quickly and veg oil got real expensive.
Like several of your other commenters, a decade ago I could make biodiesel extremely cheap and used it to fuel my farm equipment and my dually Ford. I was able to haul away used cooking oil from several local restaurants and cafes. That all began to change and the ingredients began to sky rocket and a company I won't name lest I give them free publicity, signed contracts with my cooking oil sources, to a man, and they pay them for their used oil. I sold my little refinery that I made and perfected and resigned myself to pay at the pump. I have since retired from farming/ranching but I just thought the viewers should know that it may be interesting and even intriguing to make your own diesel but it's not necessarily economical.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer good for you. Not everyone is so fortunate and the available sources can easily be strained if enough people in your vicinity decide to use it too. It's a good idea but not for everybody. Happy New Year to you.
Uneconomical in Britain now 15 years ago it was but greed consumed the process veg oil went from Half the price of diesel to either the same price or slightly dearer, the government as usual taxed it beyond what was viable. Big companies contracted the waste oil
Interesting process, very simple. I'm a biochemistry undergrad that's researching biodiesel made from ethanol and using potassium glyceroxide as the catalyst (made from glycerol). We want to optimize the safety, sustainability, and efficiency of biodiesel production with our methods!
That's cool, I'm just an amateur and not a chemist lol. The hurdle for me, or any DIY'er in using Ethanol, is producing it free of water. The simple pot still I have, can hit 170-180 proof, removing that remaining water is the challenge.
@TheDrivewayEngineer to dry ethanol we use molecular sieves in our lab (type 3a I think). Reusable just need to bake for sometime to remove the water. Newer sieves will leave some dust that probably should be filtered out We do experiments showing effects of water on phase separation with our process. Our glassware is kept baking at 105C before reactions
I'm flabbergasted, I couldn't believe he would use water spray and not filter it out. Leaving it on there will cost a lot more money in the long run, than that saved over using reqular. 1st the pump, then the injectors, and onwards from there ☹️
Thank you for including the disclaimer. I had a newer duramax come to the dealer with low power complaints and a ton of codes. Exhaust smelled just like a deep fryer. Customer failed to mention he made his own biodiesel until service writer (finally) called and questioned the guy. This will not work on new trucks with emissions equipment. It could get cost prohibitive very quickly. A fresh tank of real diesel fixed the issues
If it smelled like a deep fryer it still had the glycerol in it, and was not therefore biodiesel. People will throw cooking oil in their vehicle and tell you they are using biodiesel when in fact they are using straight vegetable oil, as in this case.
@@roberttill3787-- That's not necessarily true. I was making real biodiesel for years when I could get the waste oil for free. Some restaurants paid me to take it. It ALWAYS smelled faintly like french fries.
any diesel truck as long as it is not an HDi engine (high pressure injection) will run on a 50/50 mix of veg oil and diesel regardless of pump make in the summer months when temps are higher than 10 degrees C, if however you have a Bosch fuel pump you can pour straight vegetable oil, sunflower oil into the tank and run it without problems in the summertime. in winter you would need a tank heater. I ran my 1998 Citroen diesel on reclaimed vegetable oil for 7 years in a row during the summer and had no issues at all, my Father had the same car and ran his to on vegetable oil.
In my younger days, I used to get my oil from a restaurant, (free), clean it up using an old cream sepatator as a centrifuge, and pour it straight into my ‘81 VW Golf. Never had injector or filter problems. Of course, I could only do this when the temperature was above 12 centigrade. I got 40 mpg (imperial gallon, not U.S.)
I saw a TDI car go up for sale for 700 bucks when I was at the lake and thought, wtf would sell a TDI that cheap right now lol. It sold in 30 minutes before I could finish the section of video I was working on.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i asked you before about the necessity to go through the process of methanol to have usable fuel and you told me that Old vehicles with mechanical pumps use filtered veg oil as is mixed with some diesel New vehicles require the removal of glycerin Is it safe to assume that the biodiesel after glycerine has been removed can be used on any diesel engine old and new? Meaning I do the process on all the oil i get regardless and use the made biodiesel on whatever I want old or new without caring
@@FirstLast-tx3yj yes, you can run anything new or old on B100. People say that B100 does something to the dpf in newer trucks, but mine has no dpf, so idc lol. But my Toyota can easily run on diesel, oil, veg oil, B100, B20, whatever
@@TheDrivewayEngineer will you ever try catalytic cracking of veg oil to make gasoline? The process is more complicated than the esterification of veg oil to diesel but will give you about 20% gasoline 40% diesel and 40% gasses that you can use to reheat the rig itself I got excited about it because my fun having vehicles are gasoline and not diesel
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Jeez, man, use eye-pro when mixing that potassium hydroxide! I'm a bit confused, because I've been pricing bulk (new) veg oil and the nest price I can find works out to around $3.75/litre (16L for $60). Not very economical when pump desel is $1.38/L right now. Where do you find cheap veg oil in bulk quantities? One question: I've got a VW BHW engine (2005 Passat) in my Toyota. The lift pump in the tank is the OEM Toyota but the lines are B100 rated and the VW is all OEM but with MAF/EGR/Cat deletes. Do you think I could run straight veg oil without ruining everything?
Made my own biodiesel for 5 years at over 1000 liters per year. Had to give it up when used oil became hard to get and what I did get titrated to high. You have the basics but you need to refine your process. Hopefully you will do so with a larger processor.
You are nearly there, did everything right, but forgot to remove the Glycerol, but instead, mist washed it while the Glycerol is still at the bottom. You then poured it all in and the water that was in it. You need to remove the Glycerol, then wash it, keep removing the water from the bottom until the water is clear, then heat off the water until bio is dry, then filter the bio
@@Taydrum Mix it 50/50 if that’s a concern. South American diesels run on “bio fuels” and have no issues. The emissions are cleaner also as there is no NOX or other harmful things.
I've never owned a Diesel engine, or a vehicle powered by one, but I have heard that biodiesel will eventually create clogging in the fuel system, and is quicker to gel or freeze in lower temperatures.
if done incorrectly yes. You need to ensure you add anti-microbial and anti-gel to bio diesel. Also important to test PH level and make it slightly basic so it doesn't east away at the fuel system.
Probably won't be until spring now, it's too cold to pump oil in Michigan now. I have a bunch stored up, and some cleaned and ready to process, but transfering it is a nightmare right now. I'm down to my last barrel of B100 at home now.
Small refinery makes 5-8 gallons per hour of diesel and half that of gasoline from waste crankcase oil. No chemicals to buy, free waste motor oil. Better solution from someone who has spent more than a decade making biodiesel.
The problem is the system. Most educators comes straight from schools to teach. This means does not get experience, are not exposed to solving problems. When you are exposed in solving common problems with simple or complex solutions then you can teach it. This creates a different educational behavior.
That is if you can get old veg oil, nowadays here by us every drop of old oil is scooped up by the recyling companies. Your only hope of finding old veg oil is in your own kitchen after making fries and thats not gonna fill a tank in a few months, so yeah not really worth it. Its a much better idea to make diesel and fuel from old plastic via pyrolyses. Those are much easier to come by and you get much more variety, you even get gas for your stove😉😄👍
@@TheDrivewayEngineer ahh good for you brother.. so actually what your video is about you having bio diesel and no one else can get. Heheheh, just saying. Cudos on the bio diesel 👍😄😉
Hi, I make my own biodiesel, from Nottingham, England. I remove the Glycerol then rinse, then heat off the suspended water. I would of thought water in it would cause hydrolic lock, and thought all diesels would over time, caramelise the pistons then be harder to start on cooking oil.
You can heat off the water if you're in a rush or just want security, I just wait it out myself. If you run straight WVO long term, you will have issues with your IP and rings eventually. How long that takes, 60k, 100k miles, anyones guess. And at current prices, people may find it worth it.
Unfortunately here in the UK the vegetable oil is just as expensive as the diesel..It's interesting that our natural gas price is 5x higher than the rest of Europe.If that's not an agenda I don't know what is.
All of the used oils and hydraulic fluids I collect at home I catch as clean as possible in a catch can I keep sealed in double trash bags. When full, I pour the 15 qts into 5-qt oil jugs I save from new oil/fluid changes. I let the jugs sit for at least 90 days and then slowly pour off the top 4 quarts. The last quart has the settled solids or contamination in it. I mix 3 gal of the clean used oil with gasoline nearly 1:1 in 5 gallon fuel cans and shake for 1 minute, and put two 5-gallons cans into a 3/4 full tank of diesel. My 2005 Ram diesel has a 40 gallon tank. This makes a mix of about 15% used oils. It seems to run fine Winter and Summer. I do change my fuel filter a little sooner than typical, about every 10,000 miles, rather than 15,000. The dirty oil left in each jug i combine again and let settle another 90 days and repeat. The 2nd time I pour off the top and use the remainder as chain-lube and make two-cycle fuel for my chainsaw, and some start my wood boiler at night. It's a cheap and easy way to get rid of collected fluids, have a little free fuel, and not waste anything either.
Hi just a comment you need to wash bio d in h2so4 sulfuric acid and water diluted. And before washing separate the free fatty acid and glyerene off the product. When the h2so4 is initially washed separate and wash another 2 times with fresh water and a bubble stone from an aquarium with an air pump. Your bio d will be clean and ready to use when it's clear if you have issues with water retention add a little isopropanol alcohol. I manufactured bio d to the en 14/2/14 standard. And was one of the original bio d ers in the UK. Regards Martin steele
For everyone wanting to try this please do you research on pricing first. Local sources to me ( middle of nowhere southern US ) Methanol prices are around $517 for a 54 Gallon drum, not 55, which comes out to approximately $9.57 per gallon. I buy well over 200 gallons a year and cant get a deal on it lol. Another local source for vegetable oil quoted me at $1,650 for a 55 gallon drum, approximately $30 a gallon. Even at my local supermarket I am paying $30 a gallon for store brand, and up to $60 a gallon for high end name brand vegetable oil. Just to cook with. For our UK friends that dont know, 1 gallon = 3.785 liters.
3 women drove their diesel van across the U.S. without paying for any fuel. They gathered the used cooking oil that was being thrown out behind the restaurants where they ate, and used that as fuel.
It works with waste veggie oil as well... Some dinner places will give it to you for free... That process still need some washing and drying, but for a starter kit is great
A bit strange to do even the example the wrong way. You always empty the glycerol first and after that you can wash it several times with water. The more washes, the cleaner diesel. Conical containers are always used to easily empty out glycerol and dirty water that settle on the bottom.
The point is...grow sunflowers. All you need to do to convert SVO to fully compatible diesel is add kerosene or gasoline at 10% to it. No methanol or potassium hydroxide needed. In addition, to filter WVO you can just use gelatin mixed with hot water stirred in and settled. You do NOT need to react with methanol. The kero/petrol soluabilizes the fatty esters that you remove with this method. It also increases energy density in the fuel over and above standard diesel, whereas the methanol method reduces it. I've known about this method for years after a Kansas farmer used the results of a 2002 paper to convert sunflower oil to diesel. He tested it extensively on an injector bench, then stepwise used it in his diesel truck, and eventually started using it in all of his farming equipment, including 250k dollar combines. He grows sunflowers as a part of his rotation, and as fuel prices increased he realized he could save enormous money over selling the seed into the animal feed market.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer apologies...i didn't mean to come off confrontational. You do a good job with your method. I'm just frustrated that a cheaper method exists and is receiving no love.
As vegetable oil is at least as expensive as diesel in the UK, there is little point unless used oil is available in quantity, which is pretty unlikely if there is any competition for it.
Bio diesel is a great additive however if run on pure Bio it will clean the fuel tank of sludge and send it to your injectors. The repair is very involved. And keep it away from paint and concrete or rubber. It will damage all three. I'll see how it works for heating my house.
the only problem of biodiesel is that requires a lot of pure alcohol and it's incredibly expensive so people dont make it but just go to a gas station and have a regular diesel that is alredy tested and has nearly identical price (probably even cheaper). anyway you've made a nice guide man
55 gallons of methyl alcohol cost me 235.00 That gives me a cost of 91 cents a gallon. I've been running this for years now, my costs have never been over 1.13 a gallon. But the fact that it takes any amount of effort above zero will keep people paying 4.50/gallon at the pump anyway
While it's good in a pinch, you can't store it. We use bio diesel on base and it ruined injectors and separated in the fuel tanks. What I would like to learn is distilling crude oil to make diesel...
With you on this one...But first I am going to say...Do not try this with the newer High Pressure pump engines...such as the one I have in my Jeep Wrangler CRD or the newer VW/Audi models. In the past I have run Landrover diesels, Rover car diesels, Perkins Diesels, Peugeot/Citroen diesels, even VW turbo Diesels. I never did any of the things you did....I ran my engines on. Diesel, Kerosene, Hydraulic oil, Brake fluid, cooking oil direct from the supermarket and mixes of all of these....like when a guy gave me 400 litres of old brake fluid.......I would throw half a tank of brake fluid in my Landrover and then top off with diesel, she ran perfectly if not quieter than on straight diesel....same with hydraulic oil.....The Landrover would run happily on hydraulic oil, so would the Perkins diesel.....but a bit of diesel or Kerosene to top it off never hurt matters. I would say that over the years I did this regularly I saved thousands of pounds sterling......I would occasionally take old engine oil from friends and from my servicing and run it through old denim a few times...Denim is a good filter. I also denim filtered some of the hydraulic oil, didn't seem to do much to it but it did take out a residue. I carried out all these operations in a small shed in my back yard and kept a big drum of my filtered fuel in my shed and for years only went to a filling station when I was waiting for something to run through my filter system.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Great....I am happy for you.....I will look into it when I need it.....but I used to do all those things when I was just a poor guy trying to make his way in the world....Nowadays I own a farm and have at least 200 gallons of diesel in reserve at any one time. (I will probably buy one of those fancy things that do it all for you and keep it in the back of the barn....I still hate wasting old oil.
Thanks. People will need diesel fuel engines and machinery, and diesel or oil will not work with gasoline fuel engines. Diesel engines were the first type of combustion engine. Robert Murray Smith has some ideas also.
I made mine back in 1990s using 5 x 1ltr bottles of vegetable oil and 1 1ltr turpentine and half liter of diesel and mix it and smell like a dish n chip shop :😀
I did my first batch. Its about 26 /28 liters or soo... i bought 5liters of methanol, it took 2 weeks, not very easy ti find. Then i did the ratio i found on a vietnamese video. 8l wvo, 2l metanol and 50 grs lye. It is wonderful, but still a pitty in winter it is not very usefull
I am contemplating what I can do to source everything from scratch. I’ve read that wood ash produces potassium hydroxide. There are people who use ethanol instead of methanol. I can brew ethanol and distill it. I am looking for plants that produce high yields of vegetable oil. Mostly to say I can. I’m curious if ethanol can be used instead of methanol. Another question is when you add water to extract the suspended methanol. Does that water now contaminate the fuel? I’ve read that most biodiesel is hygroscopic. This can cause excessive wear on the pistons and increased corrosion in the engine and fuel system. Is there a method to remove water? Also what’s the shelf life of most biodiesel? Because I know most vegetable oils oxidize (go rancid). Is this the same for biodiesel? Last question. Could pure unrefined veg oil be used in a 6.2L Detroit diesel? Thanks!
That water falls out of suspension, as the video shows, and takes the dirt with it. Any older mechanical diesel can run on straight veg oil with no extra steps, as I said in the video.
Good stuff man! Living in the Netherlands I am interested, we pay about 7.5 Euro/gallon for Diesel. Unfortunately we will likely get the death penalty if we get caught making cheaper full. Wonder what can be done for the newer Diesel engines with common rail high pressure injections systems.
Edmund, greetings from Frankfurt. I don't think this concept works in most of Europe. At least here, I wouldn't be able to buy a 55 gallon barrel of Ethanol as the guy in the first posting above mentioned, no legal way unless I run a business. And Diesel engines that old aren't allowed to enter environmental zones in most cities for several years already. Plant oil for cooking is almost as expensive as Diesel and I wonder if used oil from small food shop is possible to obtain. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners have to document buying and selling / recycling but I have to check that. I'm very happy with my12 year old VW Caddy and its CNG motor. Natural gas for cars still has a reduced tax rate, which will obviously end rather sooner than later. Until than is about €5.50 per 100 km of range. The overall footprint of CNG is very good and a new EV needs to run for 150k- 200k kilometers to break even with the CNG. I came here because I finally learned about the Vevor Diesel air heater yesterday (for my workshop) although it does take almost anything oil based as old Diesel motor did a long time ago.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Oh, good I quickly looked at your ( and others ) video and thought it was not suitable for all engines. What is your opinion? Anyway High Pressure pumps are very expensive but since our government has taxed away diesel cars they made them worthless. So I can buy a cheap Diesel car for less then the the price of a HP pump and try :-)
@@edmundzed9870 If I wasn't totally bankrupt I for sure would visit your country to maybe find some better cars! Heard someone tell that Finland got the most expensive car prizes in the whole world and I guess it's true? I'm not sure I going to try to make the biodiesel because the police would take my license and put me in jail if I should get caught...
@@64TommyG Well maybe we can make a deal, I buy cars and ship them to you. Netherland isn't the best place because we have the highest taxes in the world and the most expensive cars in the world. Germany is much better. I have to check for actual prices but I have seen a German TV program where perfectly good cars where scrapped. These cars where not allowed to enter certain cities
You can use animal to make biodiesel, but there are challenges that have to be overcome. The lye (KOH or NaOH) is what causes the reaction, the methanol (which could be substituted with ethanol) is a catalyst and isn't mandatory... the process takes longer. It does NOT cause the "fats to drop out of suspension". The chemical reaction takes the triglycerides and breaks off the glycerine that binds the 3 fatty acids together. The by product is soap, essentially. EDIT (PSA): Also, when working with methanol and either form of lye (KOH or NaOH), you should be wearing adequate PPE. Methanol is lethal and readily absorbs into your body through your skin. As few as 10mL can cause blindness and 15mL can be fatal. Lye is caustic and will give you a nasty chemical burn. Despite how people are starting to freak out about it, you SHOULD use vinegar to neutralize the lye... you do want to be cautious and not let it stand, pour the vinegar on the affected site in a place with drainage (over a sink is fine, if it is your hands) and rinse with water to remove the combination which is exothermic. Proper PPE is elbow length cleaning gloves, goggles, and a good chemical apron as well as keeping the rest of your body well covered. Can you wing it without hurting yourself? Sure... but a bump or slip and you're screwed. Don't be stupid. PSA over.
Hi, just found your channel, cool topics. I've got a question. I have about 200 gallons of 40 year old diesel. It is/was farm grade. It is now thicker and darker, and will clog up fuel injectors on an old tractor. Is it possible to restore the fuel for use? And if not, could I use it in a Chinese diesel heater (space heater) by adding "Heet" or an alternative to it?
First measure the viscosity, I doubt it's as thick as you think. I've worked with old diesel that's just fine. It will likely need filtering to remove any impurities ( and dry it). Once clean and dry, assuming viscosity is OK. It will be OK. If in doubt, run it in older engines, pre common rail. Will be fine
@@mikevolante7663 Old diesel handle long time storage much better than the new sorts, and the condenses usually has to be removed whit etanol before each vinter! The material of the tank is important because plastic tanks are not producing a lot of impurities as metal tanks, but I doesn't know if some sort of chemical reaction can take place between the diesel and plastic in many years?
I used make biodiesel, but I had to replace too many fuel filters clogged with soapy stuff. The biodiesel was clear and dry...if I make it again I will need to refine process and pay for a lab test.
bio diesel os great until your in a semi and it gels up in -45 degree weather and you have no heater cause engine wont run, in my semi driving career i never had a problem until bio fuels came out i got stuck for days more them a few times almost freeze to death 2 times
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Thanks for replying! I have an almost unlimited amount of used oil and used gasoline in my line of work. I'm thinking about trying to do the waste oil/gas thing in a older diesel, maybe a gm 6.5 idk
The first thing I need to learn is how much a gallon is!??! The diesel prize was around 2,50 € per liter when it was as highest... Impossible to compere with unknown amount (litres versus gallons) so if I could get it down to under a €/litre I would earn a lot of money per year when I drive between 100-200000 kilometers each year...
You probably spend more money on bio diesel production than just buy diesel at the pump. But it's good educational knowledge.😊 Its $6.00 a gallon of vegetable oil in the grocery store right now😊. Its $5 gallon for diesel.
What's the catch? I don't see it, because (at least here in EU) sunflower oil is 2-2.3 euro/liter and diesel is 1.5-1.8 euro/liter. Dinosaur juice is cheaper... + that chemicals and the work...
I run a diesel generator during the winter since my solar panels don't work during our dark Alaskan winters, I'm sure the gen wouldn't care if it drank biodiesel.
You might have to heat the fuel tank and lines if you are in the middle of winter in an extremely cold location. Hopefully the Generator is in an insulated housing.
I have a ‘97 250 ram would I still need to filter the oil? And I’ve heard people use old restaurant fryer oil-if it was used to deep fry chicken or other meat patties wouldn’t that mess up the oil?
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I collect from several different restaurants. I've stopped collecting from some because it had too much water and fat in it. So even if it's all oil, it's not all the same quality. It doesn't matter if one is canola and one is coconut though.
If you use waste oil from, say, a restaurant's deep fryer, even though it has been filtered and re-filtered, before being discarded by the restaurant, because it has become pretty nasty for culinary use, despite being filtered multiple times, is it not still going to have things mixed in with it that came from all the food items that were deep-fried in it? Potato starch? Fat from fish, chicken, beef, pork, etcetera, particles of potato skin, chicken skin? Glob knows what else. How will these work in the diesel engine's fuel injectors, fuel pump, cylinder heads, cylinders, piston rings, valve, valve seats and valve guides. Will all this extra stuff, that isn't in commercial diesel fuel, be ok to use in a diesel engine? Will they deposit themselves to some extent on moving surfaces and affect how long the engine lasts? For all I know they will help the engine last longer. But I don't know all that much.
Depends on your source and what they use in it. Also, this is why you would filter, then centrifuge it. I use a 600 micron, 300 micron, 100 micron, then a 3000G centrifuge before I process.
This is only profitable if you can find large source of used cooking oil. That source will dry up fast once a bunch of people are trying to do this. You can also use waste motor oil if it is well filtered.
And it's OK to use stearic acid animal fat wash it warm and blend it with #1 diesel fuel allow it to cool and separate off the solids stearic acid has quite a high cetane level if my memory serves me right.
Methanol is now $50-60 for a 5 gallon container.lol still cheaper than $6 a gallon for diesel but they really don't want people to get by. When I started I could buy 5 gallons of methanol for 20 bucks
The devil is in the details, and when you take everything into account... well, it's not very easy. First, if you plan on making anywhere near enough to run your diesel vehicle, then you're going to have to find a steady supply of used cooking oil, and that's a LOT harder than it sounds. All of the likely sources like fast food, etc already have waste oil contracts. So you're left driving around sucking up the smelly scraps from mom and pop places. Then you've got to de-water it, filter it, etc before you can even start processing it. Then you've got the huge expense of potassium/sodium hydroxide and methanol. THEN you can start processing. And about 10 percent of your yield will be the black glycerol. Not pure glycerin like all the bio-diesel say that you can just "give away to people who make soap", but rather a mixture that still has methanol in it and you either have to separate that, or pay a waste materials company to take it off your hand. We had a commercial grade semi-automated machine that would make 50 gallons per batch. We would spend an entire weekend, once a month, driving around collecting dirty oil, cleaning it, processing it, etc. to fuel a couple of our trucks. The minute diesel fell back below $5 a gallon, we sold the whole process.
Weirdly, I have way more waste oil than I feel like processing, and didn't pay a penny for any of it. The huge expense of potassium and methanol comes to 93 cents per gallon of fuel processed for me. I reclaim all of my methanol.
No, not unless you live in Germany, Austria, Belgium. They have the worst laws to protect their back pockets. The main issue here is trying to find methanol. They do have various forms of denatured ethanol but you would have to invest in a reflux still to increase its purity. Where did you obtain your info that you could get arrested for avoiding taxes???
With all the chemicals have you figured out what your TOTAL cost is per litre or quart? Comparing large quantities of mixing vs small quantities? I am looking to do this for my oil furnace in my home..... heating oil just shot to $2.85 PER LITRE 🤯
The cost of everything has gone up recently, I was paying 235 for a 55 gallon drum of methanol and like 90 bucks for 50lbs of Potassium Hydroxide at the time of this video, which worked out to like 93 cents a gallon.
so lye from campfire methanol from fermenting/distilling and veg oil waist from bk/McDonalds. be sure to strain first still smells like frys when used in motor.
vegetable oil is more expensive than diesel i used to use chip fat with a pe heater right in the tank in winter mix it with diesel to stop it from freezing
Depends on a bunch of stuff. Probably nothing. Possibly everything. Anywhere in between lol. In my full size processor I just drain until pure B100 comes out, I waste some of it to ensure no glycerin makes it.
I would really like to be doing this but for the amount of work (which is more than is seen here) It off sets the money you save a lot. I guess it comes down to if you have easy access to oil the ingredients at a decent price and somewhere permanent to make it all....
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People started doing this a lot in the UK a few years back when diesel went over £1 per ltr, shortly afterward the price of vegetable oil went from 20 pence ltr, to over £1 ltr so it was cheaper to buy diesel.
Veg oil £2 a litre now!
it was handy when the gas stations were empty though
@@arhodes2866 You can make Veg Oil in your home, Oil crushing machines are available online
The Poles brought the idead over to the UK but they started filling up in supermarket car parks and the retailers caught on quickly and veg oil got real expensive.
Guess who controls the UK veg oil business and elsewhere.
Like several of your other commenters, a decade ago I could make biodiesel extremely cheap and used it to fuel my farm equipment and my dually Ford. I was able to haul away used cooking oil from several local restaurants and cafes. That all began to change and the ingredients began to sky rocket and a company I won't name lest I give them free publicity, signed contracts with my cooking oil sources, to a man, and they pay them for their used oil. I sold my little refinery that I made and perfected and resigned myself to pay at the pump. I have since retired from farming/ranching but I just thought the viewers should know that it may be interesting and even intriguing to make your own diesel but it's not necessarily economical.
I have over 1000 gallons of vegetable oil I've collected for free in the past year.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer good for you. Not everyone is so fortunate and the available sources can easily be strained if enough people in your vicinity decide to use it too. It's a good idea but not for everybody. Happy New Year to you.
Hi just want to know the if biodiesel can be made from soft drinks too
@@ZarawarKhan-gs8hrno
Uneconomical in Britain now 15 years ago it was but greed consumed the process veg oil went from Half the price of diesel to either the same price or slightly dearer, the government as usual taxed it beyond what was viable. Big companies contracted the waste oil
Interesting process, very simple. I'm a biochemistry undergrad that's researching biodiesel made from ethanol and using potassium glyceroxide as the catalyst (made from glycerol). We want to optimize the safety, sustainability, and efficiency of biodiesel production with our methods!
That's cool, I'm just an amateur and not a chemist lol.
The hurdle for me, or any DIY'er in using Ethanol, is producing it free of water.
The simple pot still I have, can hit 170-180 proof, removing that remaining water is the challenge.
@TheDrivewayEngineer to dry ethanol we use molecular sieves in our lab (type 3a I think). Reusable just need to bake for sometime to remove the water. Newer sieves will leave some dust that probably should be filtered out
We do experiments showing effects of water on phase separation with our process. Our glassware is kept baking at 105C before reactions
may I ask what is the source of your ethanol?
I'm flabbergasted, I couldn't believe he would use water spray and not filter it out. Leaving it on there will cost a lot more money in the long run, than that saved over using reqular. 1st the pump, then the injectors, and onwards from there ☹️
Which is more energy-rich Methanol or Ethanol? If it is Methanol, I wonder why it is not used instead of Ethanol?
that is another reason I love my 7.3, it eats anything
Why? Is it from the injectors having extream pressure to push fuel?
I prefer my VW TDI Touareg
Thank you for including the disclaimer. I had a newer duramax come to the dealer with low power complaints and a ton of codes. Exhaust smelled just like a deep fryer. Customer failed to mention he made his own biodiesel until service writer (finally) called and questioned the guy. This will not work on new trucks with emissions equipment. It could get cost prohibitive very quickly. A fresh tank of real diesel fixed the issues
If it smelled like a deep fryer it still had the glycerol in it, and was not therefore biodiesel. People will throw cooking oil in their vehicle and tell you they are using biodiesel when in fact they are using straight vegetable oil, as in this case.
@@roberttill3787-- That's not necessarily true. I was making real biodiesel for years when I could get the waste oil for free. Some restaurants paid me to take it. It ALWAYS smelled faintly like french fries.
any diesel truck as long as it is not an HDi engine (high pressure injection) will run on a 50/50 mix of veg oil and diesel regardless of pump make in the summer months when temps are higher than 10 degrees C, if however you have a Bosch fuel pump you can pour straight vegetable oil, sunflower oil into the tank and run it without problems in the summertime. in winter you would need a tank heater.
I ran my 1998 Citroen diesel on reclaimed vegetable oil for 7 years in a row during the summer and had no issues at all, my Father had the same car and ran his to on vegetable oil.
Some old diesels you have to replace the rubber fuel lines but that's not a big deal
I feel like I'm watching a ruff cut episode of breaking bad
In my younger days, I used to get my oil from a restaurant, (free), clean it up using an old cream sepatator as a centrifuge, and pour it straight into my ‘81 VW Golf. Never had injector or filter problems. Of course, I could only do this when the temperature was above 12 centigrade. I got 40 mpg (imperial gallon, not U.S.)
I pour it straight into my Toyota as well.
@TheDrivewayEngineer what year toyota? I'm wondering if this will work on my hilux surf
I can’t wait to see the larger scale video. I’m pretty happy to be driving my alh powered tdi getting 40mpg even cheaper fuel would be great
I saw a TDI car go up for sale for 700 bucks when I was at the lake and thought, wtf would sell a TDI that cheap right now lol.
It sold in 30 minutes before I could finish the section of video I was working on.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i asked you before about the necessity to go through the process of methanol to have usable fuel and you told me that
Old vehicles with mechanical pumps use filtered veg oil as is mixed with some diesel
New vehicles require the removal of glycerin
Is it safe to assume that the biodiesel after glycerine has been removed can be used on any diesel engine old and new?
Meaning I do the process on all the oil i get regardless and use the made biodiesel on whatever I want old or new without caring
@@FirstLast-tx3yj yes, you can run anything new or old on B100.
People say that B100 does something to the dpf in newer trucks, but mine has no dpf, so idc lol.
But my Toyota can easily run on diesel, oil, veg oil, B100, B20, whatever
@@TheDrivewayEngineer will you ever try catalytic cracking of veg oil to make gasoline?
The process is more complicated than the esterification of veg oil to diesel but will give you about 20% gasoline 40% diesel and 40% gasses that you can use to reheat the rig itself
I got excited about it because my fun having vehicles are gasoline and not diesel
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Jeez, man, use eye-pro when mixing that potassium hydroxide!
I'm a bit confused, because I've been pricing bulk (new) veg oil and the nest price I can find works out to around $3.75/litre (16L for $60). Not very economical when pump desel is $1.38/L right now. Where do you find cheap veg oil in bulk quantities?
One question: I've got a VW BHW engine (2005 Passat) in my Toyota. The lift pump in the tank is the OEM Toyota but the lines are B100 rated and the VW is all OEM but with MAF/EGR/Cat deletes. Do you think I could run straight veg oil without ruining everything?
Made my own biodiesel for 5 years at over 1000 liters per year. Had to give it up when used oil became hard to get and what I did get titrated to high. You have the basics but you need to refine your process. Hopefully you will do so with a larger processor.
The only purpose of the video is to show the basics.
I burn 20-30 gallons a week.
Have you tried pre-wash with the previous batch of glycerol? Brings titration way down for the next batch.
You need used oil I can give you 2,000 litres free
After Katrina I made biodiesel in a methanol, sodium hydroxide process, my truck ran great
@@tking1539where is it coming from?
You are nearly there, did everything right, but forgot to remove the Glycerol, but instead, mist washed it while the Glycerol is still at the bottom. You then poured it all in and the water that was in it. You need to remove the Glycerol, then wash it, keep removing the water from the bottom until the water is clear, then heat off the water until bio is dry, then filter the bio
Just add 10% unleaded to standard new svo and it works a treat. Never had an issue.
@@OverlandTT Ethanol is no bueno for many diesel pumps or seals
@@Taydrum
Mix it 50/50 if that’s a concern.
South American diesels run on “bio fuels” and have no issues.
The emissions are cleaner also as there is no NOX or other harmful things.
@@Taydrum ethanol should
Not be mixed with diesel anyway. It’s vegetable/seed/canola oil.
@@OverlandTT all gas in my state is 10% ethanol
I've never owned a Diesel engine, or a vehicle powered by one, but I have heard that biodiesel will eventually create clogging in the fuel system, and is quicker to gel or freeze in lower temperatures.
Absolutely correct!!!! Stay away.
if done incorrectly yes. You need to ensure you add anti-microbial and anti-gel to bio diesel. Also important to test PH level and make it slightly basic so it doesn't east away at the fuel system.
Thanks for this video, I can't wait for the larger scale version
Probably won't be until spring now, it's too cold to pump oil in Michigan now.
I have a bunch stored up, and some cleaned and ready to process, but transfering it is a nightmare right now.
I'm down to my last barrel of B100 at home now.
Small refinery makes 5-8 gallons per hour of diesel and half that of gasoline from waste crankcase oil. No chemicals to buy, free waste motor oil. Better solution from someone who has spent more than a decade making biodiesel.
It seems like a easy science experiment we all should of been taught in school .
Unfortunately you only get taught the mitochondria is the power house of the cell
The problem is the system. Most educators comes straight from schools to teach. This means does not get experience, are not exposed to solving problems. When you are exposed in solving common problems with simple or complex solutions then you can teach it. This creates a different educational behavior.
That is if you can get old veg oil, nowadays here by us every drop of old oil is scooped up by the recyling companies. Your only hope of finding old veg oil is in your own kitchen after making fries and thats not gonna fill a tank in a few months, so yeah not really worth it. Its a much better idea to make diesel and fuel from old plastic via pyrolyses. Those are much easier to come by and you get much more variety, you even get gas for your stove😉😄👍
I have and collect for free more oil than I can ever use.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer ahh good for you brother.. so actually what your video is about you having bio diesel and no one else can get. Heheheh, just saying. Cudos on the bio diesel 👍😄😉
Hi, I make my own biodiesel, from Nottingham, England. I remove the Glycerol then rinse, then heat off the suspended water. I would of thought water in it would cause hydrolic lock, and thought all diesels would over time, caramelise the pistons then be harder to start on cooking oil.
You can heat off the water if you're in a rush or just want security, I just wait it out myself.
If you run straight WVO long term, you will have issues with your IP and rings eventually. How long that takes, 60k, 100k miles, anyones guess. And at current prices, people may find it worth it.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I always steam the water off, otherwise rust and hydrolic lock.
Doing a vid?
I guess you use used oil? Or is there a source of cheap new veg oil in the UK?
@@ColinWatters Best to get used oil from a take away, and I give them £4 for Twenty Litres, about 6 Dollars?
Unfortunately here in the UK the vegetable oil is just as expensive as the diesel..It's interesting that our natural gas price is 5x higher than the rest of Europe.If that's not an agenda I don't know what is.
thank you for posting. mr wizard meets chemical engineering. don herbert would be proud.
All of the used oils and hydraulic fluids I collect at home I catch as clean as possible in a catch can I keep sealed in double trash bags. When full, I pour the 15 qts into 5-qt oil jugs I save from new oil/fluid changes. I let the jugs sit for at least 90 days and then slowly pour off the top 4 quarts. The last quart has the settled solids or contamination in it.
I mix 3 gal of the clean used oil with gasoline nearly 1:1 in 5 gallon fuel cans and shake for 1 minute, and put two 5-gallons cans into a 3/4 full tank of diesel. My 2005 Ram diesel has a 40 gallon tank. This makes a mix of about 15% used oils. It seems to run fine Winter and Summer. I do change my fuel filter a little sooner than typical, about every 10,000 miles, rather than 15,000.
The dirty oil left in each jug i combine again and let settle another 90 days and repeat. The 2nd time I pour off the top and use the remainder as chain-lube and make two-cycle fuel for my chainsaw, and some start my wood boiler at night.
It's a cheap and easy way to get rid of collected fluids, have a little free fuel, and not waste anything either.
And if you make soap you have 0 waste . I like that
you can use filtered vegetable oil, but you have to keep it hot all the way up to the injectors to the glycerine doesn't sludge it out.
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Hi just a comment you need to wash bio d in h2so4 sulfuric acid and water diluted. And before washing separate the free fatty acid and glyerene off the product.
When the h2so4 is initially washed separate and wash another 2 times with fresh water and a bubble stone from an aquarium with an air pump.
Your bio d will be clean and ready to use when it's clear if you have issues with water retention add a little isopropanol alcohol.
I manufactured bio d to the en 14/2/14 standard.
And was one of the original bio d ers in the UK.
Regards Martin steele
Can u give me the step by step how to make bio feul
@@pekkopekkie Hi have you got any experience of making bio d.
Safety glasses are a must !!! and some type of thin nitrile gloves maybe . Just saying , 🫶🇬🇧🫶
Obviously they're not
I was making “bio” diesel over 20 years ago before it even had a label or required regulation 🤣
There's no "required regulation" now lol
@@TheDrivewayEngineer
There is if you are in either the UK or Europe.
That was a very cool video JR thanks for sharing can’t wait to see the large scale video
For everyone wanting to try this please do you research on pricing first. Local sources to me ( middle of nowhere southern US ) Methanol prices are around $517 for a 54 Gallon drum, not 55, which comes out to approximately $9.57 per gallon. I buy well over 200 gallons a year and cant get a deal on it lol. Another local source for vegetable oil quoted me at $1,650 for a 55 gallon drum, approximately $30 a gallon. Even at my local supermarket I am paying $30 a gallon for store brand, and up to $60 a gallon for high end name brand vegetable oil. Just to cook with. For our UK friends that dont know, 1 gallon = 3.785 liters.
Do your research first indeed,
www.americhemsalescorp.com/product-page/methyl-alcohol
3 women drove their diesel van across the U.S. without paying for any fuel. They gathered the used cooking oil that was being thrown out behind the restaurants where they ate, and used that as fuel.
I ran a biopro saves alot of the time involved
Washing has several purposes like reducing the acidity removing more glycerine
It works with waste veggie oil as well... Some dinner places will give it to you for free... That process still need some washing and drying, but for a starter kit is great
THATS actually the whole idea to use free wasteoil.
I'm trying to find out how to get the WVO. Do you live in the US?
Buffets are a the great chip source of ysed cooking oil.
I used to put 275 gall toat at buffet. Then exchange it.
The best oil I get is from Chinese restaurants. Very little water, fairly clean.
Local bar was like 1/2 water, quit pumping theirs.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i have 800 gallons oil. I do not need it. At 32465
Excellent....thank you for the chemistry lessen
..
A bit strange to do even the example the wrong way.
You always empty the glycerol first and after that you can wash it several times with water. The more washes, the cleaner diesel.
Conical containers are always used to easily empty out glycerol and dirty water that settle on the bottom.
That haze was a 6+. It should be 2 or lower.
The haze is impurities and mostly water.
Can you give me how you do step by step
JR I assume this would work great in my little Kubota, with no emissions crap on it.
Straight filtered veg oil would work well for you as well, you don't have to process it like this
You should get jars with taps on the bottom.
The point is...grow sunflowers. All you need to do to convert SVO to fully compatible diesel is add kerosene or gasoline at 10% to it. No methanol or potassium hydroxide needed. In addition, to filter WVO you can just use gelatin mixed with hot water stirred in and settled.
You do NOT need to react with methanol. The kero/petrol soluabilizes the fatty esters that you remove with this method. It also increases energy density in the fuel over and above standard diesel, whereas the methanol method reduces it.
I've known about this method for years after a Kansas farmer used the results of a 2002 paper to convert sunflower oil to diesel. He tested it extensively on an injector bench, then stepwise used it in his diesel truck, and eventually started using it in all of his farming equipment, including 250k dollar combines. He grows sunflowers as a part of his rotation, and as fuel prices increased he realized he could save enormous money over selling the seed into the animal feed market.
That's not the point at all.
The point is, this is the way that I make B100 fuel.
That's the point.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer apologies...i didn't mean to come off confrontational. You do a good job with your method. I'm just frustrated that a cheaper method exists and is receiving no love.
The first diesel engines ran on peanut oil. There are quite a few videos out there and different diesel engines that run on vegetable oil.
Rudolf Diesel also ran his diesels on hemp oil.
Also the Detroit diesels was a multifuel engine and not so sensible other that they could run away on engine oil whit bad luck...
As vegetable oil is at least as expensive as diesel in the UK, there is little point unless used oil is available in quantity, which is pretty unlikely if there is any competition for it.
I get 25 gallons a week for free every single week
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Ah yes, the quintessential / typical "MI. Gray" day as always, somewhere there is sunshine..
Bio diesel is a great additive however if run on pure Bio it will clean the fuel tank of sludge and send it to your injectors.
The repair is very involved.
And keep it away from paint and concrete or rubber. It will damage all three.
I'll see how it works for heating my house.
the only problem of biodiesel is that requires a lot of pure alcohol and it's incredibly expensive so people dont make it but just go to a gas station and have a regular diesel that is alredy tested and has nearly identical price (probably even cheaper). anyway you've made a nice guide man
55 gallons of methyl alcohol cost me 235.00
That gives me a cost of 91 cents a gallon.
I've been running this for years now, my costs have never been over 1.13 a gallon.
But the fact that it takes any amount of effort above zero will keep people paying 4.50/gallon at the pump anyway
4 quarts = gallon. 3.78 litres = gallon
While it's good in a pinch, you can't store it. We use bio diesel on base and it ruined injectors and separated in the fuel tanks. What I would like to learn is distilling crude oil to make diesel...
With you on this one...But first I am going to say...Do not try this with the newer High Pressure pump engines...such as the one I have in my Jeep Wrangler CRD or the newer VW/Audi models. In the past I have run Landrover diesels, Rover car diesels, Perkins Diesels, Peugeot/Citroen diesels, even VW turbo Diesels. I never did any of the things you did....I ran my engines on. Diesel, Kerosene, Hydraulic oil, Brake fluid, cooking oil direct from the supermarket and mixes of all of these....like when a guy gave me 400 litres of old brake fluid.......I would throw half a tank of brake fluid in my Landrover and then top off with diesel, she ran perfectly if not quieter than on straight diesel....same with hydraulic oil.....The Landrover would run happily on hydraulic oil, so would the Perkins diesel.....but a bit of diesel or Kerosene to top it off never hurt matters. I would say that over the years I did this regularly I saved thousands of pounds sterling......I would occasionally take old engine oil from friends and from my servicing and run it through old denim a few times...Denim is a good filter. I also denim filtered some of the hydraulic oil, didn't seem to do much to it but it did take out a residue. I carried out all these operations in a small shed in my back yard and kept a big drum of my filtered fuel in my shed and for years only went to a filling station when I was waiting for something to run through my filter system.
I literally put this into a high pressure pump engine in this video.
I have been doing so for 205,000 miles now.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Great....I am happy for you.....I will look into it when I need it.....but I used to do all those things when I was just a poor guy trying to make his way in the world....Nowadays I own a farm and have at least 200 gallons of diesel in reserve at any one time. (I will probably buy one of those fancy things that do it all for you and keep it in the back of the barn....I still hate wasting old oil.
Well. Thats a process. But these prices might make me do it anyway. Very cool video
It's easier on a large scale, you just ignore it for a day, come back, etc.
Once you have a routine it's no more work than my cats litter boxes lol
Thanks. People will need diesel fuel engines and machinery, and diesel or oil will not work with gasoline fuel engines. Diesel engines were the first type of combustion engine. Robert Murray Smith has some ideas also.
And with pottasium hydroxide back titrate and if I remember right it's 5.25 grammes to virgin oil, plus titration for recovered veg oil.
I'm here wondering what it would take to switch out the methanol with ethanol and still make the biodiesel
It can be done Google it
Diesel engines originally used peanut oil
I made mine back in 1990s using 5 x 1ltr bottles of vegetable oil and 1 1ltr turpentine and half liter of diesel and mix it and smell like a dish n chip shop :😀
thats not Biodiesel thats modified cooking oil.
I did it in 2008 crises. By toats. I had f350 and always had a problem- methanol was eating o-rings in a low pressure fuel pump.
I did my first batch. Its about 26 /28 liters or soo... i bought 5liters of methanol, it took 2 weeks, not very easy ti find. Then i did the ratio i found on a vietnamese video. 8l wvo, 2l metanol and 50 grs lye. It is wonderful, but still a pitty in winter it is not very usefull
crazy what one will do to save a buck or 2.
I am contemplating what I can do to source everything from scratch. I’ve read that wood ash produces potassium hydroxide. There are people who use ethanol instead of methanol. I can brew ethanol and distill it. I am looking for plants that produce high yields of vegetable oil. Mostly to say I can. I’m curious if ethanol can be used instead of methanol.
Another question is when you add water to extract the suspended methanol. Does that water now contaminate the fuel? I’ve read that most biodiesel is hygroscopic. This can cause excessive wear on the pistons and increased corrosion in the engine and fuel system. Is there a method to remove water? Also what’s the shelf life of most biodiesel? Because I know most vegetable oils oxidize (go rancid). Is this the same for biodiesel?
Last question. Could pure unrefined veg oil be used in a 6.2L Detroit diesel? Thanks!
That water falls out of suspension, as the video shows, and takes the dirt with it.
Any older mechanical diesel can run on straight veg oil with no extra steps, as I said in the video.
I was concerned that even though the water settles to the bottom. That small amounts of water staying mixed in the fuel. Thanks.
oil from hickory nuts..... from wild hickory trees if you want 100% from scratch
Very much looking forward to the large scale vid.
Good stuff man! Living in the Netherlands I am interested, we pay about 7.5 Euro/gallon for Diesel.
Unfortunately we will likely get the death penalty if we get caught making cheaper full.
Wonder what can be done for the newer Diesel engines with common rail high pressure injections systems.
Edmund, greetings from Frankfurt. I don't think this concept works in most of Europe. At least here, I wouldn't be able to buy a 55 gallon barrel of Ethanol as the guy in the first posting above mentioned, no legal way unless I run a business. And Diesel engines that old aren't allowed to enter environmental zones in most cities for several years already. Plant oil for cooking is almost as expensive as Diesel and I wonder if used oil from small food shop is possible to obtain. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners have to document buying and selling / recycling but I have to check that. I'm very happy with my12 year old VW Caddy and its CNG motor. Natural gas for cars still has a reduced tax rate, which will obviously end rather sooner than later. Until than is about €5.50 per 100 km of range. The overall footprint of CNG is very good and a new EV needs to run for 150k- 200k kilometers to break even with the CNG. I came here because I finally learned about the Vevor Diesel air heater yesterday (for my workshop) although it does take almost anything oil based as old Diesel motor did a long time ago.
The engine I put this in in the video is a 2018 with a common rail injection.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Oh, good I quickly looked at your ( and others ) video and thought it was not suitable
for all engines. What is your opinion?
Anyway High Pressure pumps are very expensive but since our government has taxed away diesel cars they made them
worthless. So I can buy a cheap Diesel car for less then the the price of a HP pump and try :-)
@@edmundzed9870 If I wasn't totally bankrupt I for sure would visit your country to maybe find some better cars! Heard someone tell that Finland got the most expensive car prizes in the whole world and I guess it's true? I'm not sure I going to try to make the biodiesel because the police would take my license and put me in jail if I should get caught...
@@64TommyG Well maybe we can make a deal, I buy cars and ship them to you. Netherland isn't the best place because
we have the highest taxes in the world and the most expensive cars in the world. Germany is much better.
I have to check for actual prices but I have seen a German TV program where perfectly good cars where scrapped.
These cars where not allowed to enter certain cities
You can use animal to make biodiesel, but there are challenges that have to be overcome. The lye (KOH or NaOH) is what causes the reaction, the methanol (which could be substituted with ethanol) is a catalyst and isn't mandatory... the process takes longer. It does NOT cause the "fats to drop out of suspension". The chemical reaction takes the triglycerides and breaks off the glycerine that binds the 3 fatty acids together. The by product is soap, essentially.
EDIT (PSA): Also, when working with methanol and either form of lye (KOH or NaOH), you should be wearing adequate PPE. Methanol is lethal and readily absorbs into your body through your skin. As few as 10mL can cause blindness and 15mL can be fatal. Lye is caustic and will give you a nasty chemical burn. Despite how people are starting to freak out about it, you SHOULD use vinegar to neutralize the lye... you do want to be cautious and not let it stand, pour the vinegar on the affected site in a place with drainage (over a sink is fine, if it is your hands) and rinse with water to remove the combination which is exothermic. Proper PPE is elbow length cleaning gloves, goggles, and a good chemical apron as well as keeping the rest of your body well covered.
Can you wing it without hurting yourself? Sure... but a bump or slip and you're screwed. Don't be stupid. PSA over.
No but you can use screaming children , the fumes smell like burger King
@@oscarbear7498 No to what, exactly? You can absolutely use animal fats.
@@dus10dnd animals are food, children are disposable is why. We got millions of children refugees in texas we trying to get rid of
@@oscarbear7498 I get that the refugee situation is getting bad, but that is a dipshit statement.
Hi, just found your channel, cool topics.
I've got a question. I have about 200 gallons of 40 year old diesel. It is/was farm grade. It is now thicker and darker, and will clog up fuel injectors on an old tractor. Is it possible to restore the fuel for use? And if not, could I use it in a Chinese diesel heater (space heater) by adding "Heet" or an alternative to it?
I'd thin it with gas until it's the consistency of normal diesel, and run it as a blend with good diesel
Thin it with kerosene maybe?
First measure the viscosity, I doubt it's as thick as you think. I've worked with old diesel that's just fine. It will likely need filtering to remove any impurities ( and dry it). Once clean and dry, assuming viscosity is OK. It will be OK. If in doubt, run it in older engines, pre common rail. Will be fine
@@mikevolante7663 Old diesel handle long time storage much better than the new sorts, and the condenses usually has to be removed whit etanol before each vinter!
The material of the tank is important because plastic tanks are not producing a lot of impurities as metal tanks, but I doesn't know if some sort of chemical reaction can take place between the diesel and plastic in many years?
I'm willing to do the 'green thing' as long as it is easy. I heat my VT now with biodiesel…works super…a weeeee bit more $ but that's it.
🤣🤣🤣 sheeple!!!!!
@@Mass.Effect thought we were done with this name calling. Guess not. You are a sheep following your flock in lockstep…🤷♀️
The cost of using unused cooking oil is more than buying diesel not to mention the cost of the rest of that
Don't buy unused cooking oil.
Like you didn't read a single other comment or watch any of the linked or carded videos.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer lol, I was commenting on what you was actually doing in the video 😉👍
I used make biodiesel, but I had to replace too many fuel filters clogged with soapy stuff. The biodiesel was clear and dry...if I make it again I will need to refine process and pay for a lab test.
bio diesel os great until your in a semi and it gels up in -45 degree weather and you have no heater cause engine wont run, in my semi driving career i never had a problem until bio fuels came out i got stuck for days more them a few times almost freeze to death 2 times
I'm never in a semi in any temperature
Reason I’m fitting an auxiliary straight diesel tank to my vintage for cab heater and winter starting.
What about used oil mixed with old gasoline or regular gasoline mix?
Different process, same idea. I wouldn't bother without a centrifuge though.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Thanks for replying! I have an almost unlimited amount of used oil and used gasoline in my line of work. I'm thinking about trying to do the waste oil/gas thing in a older diesel, maybe a gm 6.5 idk
are you not including the price of the vegetable oil ?
Right? I'm still trying to figure out how this is 25c a litre-+
It would be interesting to know the comparative cost between Bio diesel and normal diesel? thanks.
From the pump, it's not even available locally for me anymore. It was about 20 cents a gallon cheaper.
From my home, it's 93 cents a gallon.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Wow I am surprised at it not been available, here in the U.K. we have it in abundance thank goodness!
The first thing I need to learn is how much a gallon is!??! The diesel prize was around 2,50 € per liter when it was as highest... Impossible to compere with unknown amount (litres versus gallons) so if I could get it down to under a €/litre I would earn a lot of money per year when I drive between 100-200000 kilometers each year...
@@64TommyG 3.785 litres to U.S. Gallon snd and 4.54 litres to Imperial Gallon.
@@64TommyG I'm guessing!!! 1 gallon 3,75 litre, 1/4 a quarter is about 0,95 l ? This without googling!
In UK vegetable oil is more expensive than diesel per litre. yesterday cheap Veg oil £2.09 Diesel 151.9.
You probably spend more money on bio diesel production than just buy diesel at the pump. But it's good educational knowledge.😊
Its $6.00 a gallon of vegetable oil in the grocery store right now😊.
Its $5 gallon for diesel.
Why would you buy the oil?
But then again, why would you have read any other comment before making one?
When you mixed keresone with vegetable you get the same result without wasting time the keeesone dissolves all the fat in the oil and its cheaper
Nice and easy thanks pal. Do you heat the oil to 150 Farenheit or Centigrade ? Liked and subbed.
When I'm running through my centrifuge, 150 F.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Thanks.
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What's the catch? I don't see it, because (at least here in EU) sunflower oil is 2-2.3 euro/liter and diesel is 1.5-1.8 euro/liter. Dinosaur juice is cheaper... + that chemicals and the work...
The catch is in the video linked at the end that a ton of you commenters clearly didn't bother with
@@TheDrivewayEngineer And why "a ton of commenters clearly didn't bother"? because is the video a piece of garbage? Thanks for loosing my time!
I run a diesel generator during the winter since my solar panels don't work during our dark Alaskan winters, I'm sure the gen wouldn't care if it drank biodiesel.
Definitely not, doesn't seem to bother my MEP 804 at all
You might have to heat the fuel tank and lines if you are in the middle of winter in an extremely cold location. Hopefully the Generator is in an insulated housing.
I have a ‘97 250 ram would I still need to filter the oil? And I’ve heard people use old restaurant fryer oil-if it was used to deep fry chicken or other meat patties wouldn’t that mess up the oil?
It would mess up the oil if you didn't filter it lol
Fun fact ammonia aka nh3 nitrogen hydrogen 3 is a cheap renewable fuel and can be run in any gasoline and diesel engine with minor modification. Look up ammonia as fuel videos.
Ammonia as a fuel and engines existed before gasoline combustion and diesel engines. Rudolf diesel made ammonia engines before he made diesel compression engines.
1960s NASA space race was fueled by ammonia. Rockets, aviation fuel is still made with ammonia. The land speed record is held by a rocket car running of straight ammonia.
You don't hear about ammonia as a cheap renewable fuel because of corrupt politicians and businesses that want force you to buy their products and tax control you. a cheap fuel means can't control you.
You can easily alter any gasoline engine to run off ammonia all requires is a propane tank kit and a 2nd fuel pump switch kit. But fill with ammonia. This can be done on a car , truck, boat, and generator etc.
A diesel engine can run off ammonia but requires more tuning to control compression vs combustion in gas engines. Diesel pickup engine tuner kits will help alter control compression of ammonia.
You can make ammonia at home from nitrogen pulled from air and bond with water where hydrogen once bump off oxygen bonds with nitrogen. There are also farm scale production methods to make ammonia, where ammonia is used as a fertilizer.
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If you use used vegetable oil from different restaurants AKA cooking oil is that pretty much the same?
I collect from several different restaurants.
I've stopped collecting from some because it had too much water and fat in it.
So even if it's all oil, it's not all the same quality. It doesn't matter if one is canola and one is coconut though.
Would it be safer to make moonshine for fuel
None of it is particularly safe lol
Very impressive, this upload...
If you use waste oil from, say, a restaurant's deep fryer, even though it has been filtered and re-filtered, before being discarded by the restaurant, because it has become pretty nasty for culinary use, despite being filtered multiple times, is it not still going to have things mixed in with it that came from all the food items that were deep-fried in it? Potato starch? Fat from fish, chicken, beef, pork, etcetera, particles of potato skin, chicken skin? Glob knows what else. How will these work in the diesel engine's fuel injectors, fuel pump, cylinder heads, cylinders, piston rings, valve, valve seats and valve guides. Will all this extra stuff, that isn't in commercial diesel fuel, be ok to use in a diesel engine? Will they deposit themselves to some extent on moving surfaces and affect how long the engine lasts? For all I know they will help the engine last longer. But I don't know all that much.
Depends on your source and what they use in it.
Also, this is why you would filter, then centrifuge it.
I use a 600 micron, 300 micron, 100 micron, then a 3000G centrifuge before I process.
This is only profitable if you can find large source of used cooking oil. That source will dry up fast once a bunch of people are trying to do this. You can also use waste motor oil if it is well filtered.
I have more oil than I can process lol.
Well done!
And it's OK to use stearic acid animal fat wash it warm and blend it with #1 diesel fuel allow it to cool and separate off the solids stearic acid has quite a high cetane level if my memory serves me right.
I tell you, the poorer the country the more expensive "waste" becomes, ironically.
There is a video online with and easier method using gelatin to clean the oil.and then add 20% kerosene.
I think U need to heat up bio diesel b4 U use it. To get rest water out. To the leftovers you can distil to get their methanol back out of it
You clearly don't
Hey bud a quick question could you not have just syphoned the bottom off quicker?
You said 95 cents per gallon; do you mean per liter/quart or an entire gallon for under $1?
Methanol is now $50-60 for a 5 gallon container.lol still cheaper than $6 a gallon for diesel but they really don't want people to get by. When I started I could buy 5 gallons of methanol for 20 bucks
I buy 55 gallons for 230 bucks
Hello antifreeze can be used instead of methanol? Thanks.
pH levels should be between 6.5 & 7.5 if you want your engine to last.
If your running an old tractor i wouldn't worry about it.
I did it years ago but then the government turned up and told me I had to pay duty on it.
The devil is in the details, and when you take everything into account... well, it's not very easy. First, if you plan on making anywhere near enough to run your diesel vehicle, then you're going to have to find a steady supply of used cooking oil, and that's a LOT harder than it sounds. All of the likely sources like fast food, etc already have waste oil contracts. So you're left driving around sucking up the smelly scraps from mom and pop places. Then you've got to de-water it, filter it, etc before you can even start processing it. Then you've got the huge expense of potassium/sodium hydroxide and methanol. THEN you can start processing. And about 10 percent of your yield will be the black glycerol. Not pure glycerin like all the bio-diesel say that you can just "give away to people who make soap", but rather a mixture that still has methanol in it and you either have to separate that, or pay a waste materials company to take it off your hand. We had a commercial grade semi-automated machine that would make 50 gallons per batch. We would spend an entire weekend, once a month, driving around collecting dirty oil, cleaning it, processing it, etc. to fuel a couple of our trucks. The minute diesel fell back below $5 a gallon, we sold the whole process.
Weirdly, I have way more waste oil than I feel like processing, and didn't pay a penny for any of it.
The huge expense of potassium and methanol comes to 93 cents per gallon of fuel processed for me.
I reclaim all of my methanol.
People in Europe should be all over it. Oh yeah, I've forgot - it could get you arrested over there. Avoiding taxes I think 😐
Yeah, they get dinged pretty regular over it
No, not unless you live in Germany, Austria, Belgium. They have the worst laws to protect their back pockets. The main issue here is trying to find methanol. They do have various forms of denatured ethanol but you would have to invest in a reflux still to increase its purity. Where did you obtain your info that you could get arrested for avoiding taxes???
With all the chemicals have you figured out what your TOTAL cost is per litre or quart? Comparing large quantities of mixing vs small quantities? I am looking to do this for my oil furnace in my home..... heating oil just shot to $2.85 PER LITRE 🤯
The cost of everything has gone up recently, I was paying 235 for a 55 gallon drum of methanol and like 90 bucks for 50lbs of Potassium Hydroxide at the time of this video, which worked out to like 93 cents a gallon.
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In Tennessee if you buy lye and heat together you are getting a promotion to manufacture meth charge. Lol.
I'll be sure to buy them next time I'm there
That only costs about 16.7 times more than pump diesel.
At least, maybe even 16.8
so lye from campfire methanol from fermenting/distilling and veg oil waist from bk/McDonalds. be sure to strain first still smells like frys when used in motor.
vegetable oil is more expensive than diesel i used to use chip fat with a pe heater right in the tank in winter mix it with diesel to stop it from freezing
Only if you go buy it at retail like a fool
what happens if some of the glycerin ends up in the fuel tank?
Depends on a bunch of stuff.
Probably nothing.
Possibly everything.
Anywhere in between lol.
In my full size processor I just drain until pure B100 comes out, I waste some of it to ensure no glycerin makes it.
I would really like to be doing this but for the amount of work (which is more than is seen here) It off sets the money you save a lot. I guess it comes down to if you have easy access to oil the ingredients at a decent price and somewhere permanent to make it all....
Cost me 93 cents a gallon
Ide use a fish tank pump to siphon the top layers out into a fuel can..