The music industry and record labels have exploited artists for years, but now, they are finally facing the consequences of their actions. With the rise of AI, they will inevitably be driven to the brink of bankruptcy, receiving the retribution they deserve
So you can use Books, music, movies to train a human being to be a better writer, musician, or actor. But you can’t use them to train AI? didn’t we settle this debate I think wrongly, when we allowed Google to copy all those books into their search algorithms
Have you ever spoken to an artist about how they learned how to do their craft? Or looked into how AI models "learn" from training the data. The two things arent the same, and typically, artists arent profitting off other artist's work as their learning the skill.
Not enough training data. They need to scrap as much data as possible to produce convincing models. And the way to so that is by using other ppls work for things thar the people didnt consent to their work being used for.
For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!
We can actually sue anybody for anything. Would that actually make sense tho? I as a music producer don’t want my work copied by ai, I want to have my own unique sound, not for someone to be able to copy it with one click. Producing one song takes HOURS. It’s a job artists want to make a living off of. Why make them short of that? AI shouldn’t take creativity out of people.
@@xgalactixtoo You could not have become a music producer if you never listened to music. Any human can listen to your music and copy the sound. If your sound is the same as all the others in a music genera than people can type the genera and get similar music. You would need to input a sample of your music into Suno for it to extend for it to sound just like your music. That is what the music company did. They asked Suno to make a derivative work.
@@xgalactixtoo " I as a music producer" You are not a very good one with only 57 followers on TH-cam. Getting down to it only 57 followers, "my own unique sound" sounds like dog crap. AI can skip you and let people create what we want to hear. not the Auto Tuned political woke drivel we are feed now and expected to like.
@@abram730 I used suno’s upload feature and extended some loops I made. I liked what I heard but It wasn’t my sound, it had a much different mix, a different arrangement approach than mine. I like it as a tool and I’d support it, if it didn’t learn on artists’ work without their permission. I’d want people to learn production off of my works in the future, but not an ai. It’s not a person. I see it as a program which uses copyrighted works for commercial purposes. Ai as a tool should exist, but ethically speaking, the companies should pay artists if they want to use their music.
The guy talking about AI doesn't really know what he talking about with these AI music outputs. The hook / melody of "All I want for Christmas" is replicated because users can upload a segment of a song into Suno or Udio, and the programs use machine learning to extend the song, and uses melodies and sounds from the uploaded song. It's actually really incredible technology, and of course these record labels want to blame AI for their losses.
the ''all i want for christmas'' case came from sync my music. and this was done before the input upload option was added to suno and udio ( in this case this was udio ) and eventually they put that specific case with the quote into the lawsuit.
A.I should focus on integrating into our lives not replacing people. Someone out there escaped nasty addictions by falling in love with the art of making music. The people who where working on this are in a class of privileged rich people. All they care about is making more money. They dont care who they hate in the process
You don’t know anything. You don’t know what goes into music production, you don’t know anything about music marketing, you don’t know anything about record labels. Please stop spreading your opinions about music when you probably don’t even know how autotune works in the first place.
@@xgalactixtoo Why should so much "go into" it? When AI tools will make it so much easier now. Ai will replace everyone's "jobs". AI is not the problem, needing "jobs" is.
@@GrumpDog because it’s art. Why get rid of the creative jobs first? Many artists put emotion, hard work into their music and it’s fun. Why get rid of it when you can listen to music made by people who feel, who love what they do, who are great at it and put love into it? AI shouldn’t replace this. AI should be a tool, replace the non-enjoyable jobs and bring new ones instead.
@@xgalactixtoo I agree.. But the goal of what I'm suggesting, would be to remove the necessity to do things to put food on the table. AI's end goal as it advances, functionally breaks a human worker's ability to earn an income. So we as a society must let go of that requirement on every individual's survival, and find new ways to distribute basic resources. It is the only way. Art should be created because it's fun, people love creating it and experiencing it, it's a genuine human way to express emotions and deep meaning. And what I'm suggesting is that aspect of it will be increased, if we can remove the need to do it to put food on the table. At that point, AI goes back to being just a tool, rather than a capitalist's replacement for workers.
I use suno, and I love what you can do with it. People are to own the lyrics used in making a song. Nowto be fair, singer voices can sometimes sound similar to some artists but usually sound different enough. All forms of writing and musical know how come from what we learn from others. Sometimes it costs money but places like here offer learning for free. TBH, i scrap things that way to similar to songs I know as that's not cool imo. I want something I haven't heard before when making songs. There is a report function on site for seeing stuff that would violate TOS.
In terms of the Fair Use argument. There is an argument to be made that because AI's data sources are so randomized, there's no way to determine where the outputs are coming from. Prior to AI, whenever any sort of content used works under AI; It was a clear indication of what the original source material was; thus the work could also be used to promote the original work. With AI ... that argument doesn't work, because you're essentially sampling from thousands of different sources, many of whom a lot of people who use the tool don't even know about.
Wrong. AI's data sources are instantly identifiable to anyone who'd been around long enough. I have 50 years of non-stop popular and obscur songs in my head. AI hasn't fooled me once. I can name the song / artist its copying within ten second every god damned time. Trust me I wish it weren't so. But I think its just the way its always going to work.
@@snowrose101 makes more sense, but still, it’s not just the voice. It’s the production, and just the fact that ai was taught on music without the creators’/right owners’ permission
AI is going to suck every drop of joy out of your life.....your life .....his life .......hers........everyone's. Those who remember the past will hurt the most, but younger people won't have the life experience to KNOW their life will be joyless.
Of course.. Soon as something like this gets good, they're gonna try to shut it down. Lots of gems on Udio.. I guess I'll start downloading my favs, just to ensure they aren't destroyed if this lawsuit goes bad. The established industries can't handle innovative competition.
do they really think that lawsuits are the answer? I had no idea who this Jason Derulo person was, until I saw this news clip. Seems to me that these AI companies are making this Jason person even more famous?
If not lawsuits… what else? Not the ai companies are making Jason Derulo more famous but the labels suing the companies. As an artist, I wouldn’t want my voice copied without my permission and used for anything people want.
@@erikprestonTV There is a new feature that lets you upload a rift and then it makes a song based on that. They uploaded their own artist's song and the AI extended it. They then claim that it is copyright infringement and that the AI must have been trained on their artist's work. However they were the ones who uploaded it and it doesn't train on uploads. They essentially asked the AI to make a derivative work based on a Jason Derulo sample. Lawsuit smells like a money grab mixed with Jason Derulo advertising. Considering how they did this and how they are misrepresenting it, this looks to be a slap suit.
For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!
The music industry and record labels have exploited artists for years, but now, they are finally facing the consequences of their actions. With the rise of AI, they will inevitably be driven to the brink of bankruptcy, receiving the retribution they deserve
or they cut a huuuuuuge deal with the AI companies, if you cant beat em join em.
So you can use Books, music, movies to train a human being to be a better writer, musician, or actor. But you can’t use them to train AI? didn’t we settle this debate I think wrongly, when we allowed Google to copy all those books into their search algorithms
So can Usher sue Jason Durilo for learning from him? Haven't artist been copying each other forever???
Have you ever spoken to an artist about how they learned how to do their craft? Or looked into how AI models "learn" from training the data. The two things arent the same, and typically, artists arent profitting off other artist's work as their learning the skill.
@@trainerkam3218 Sampling by rappers....
Aren't there public domains for this kinda of stuffs?
Not enough training data. They need to scrap as much data as possible to produce convincing models.
And the way to so that is by using other ppls work for things thar the people didnt consent to their work being used for.
@@trainerkam3218 but can those companies prove this? Can court force them to show the datasets used to them?
For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!
Now we can sue every rock drummer on the planet ! For copy each other , all guitarists as well. JUSTICE !
We can actually sue anybody for anything. Would that actually make sense tho? I as a music producer don’t want my work copied by ai, I want to have my own unique sound, not for someone to be able to copy it with one click. Producing one song takes HOURS. It’s a job artists want to make a living off of. Why make them short of that? AI shouldn’t take creativity out of people.
@@xgalactixtoo You could not have become a music producer if you never listened to music. Any human can listen to your music and copy the sound. If your sound is the same as all the others in a music genera than people can type the genera and get similar music.
You would need to input a sample of your music into Suno for it to extend for it to sound just like your music.
That is what the music company did. They asked Suno to make a derivative work.
@@xgalactixtoo " I as a music producer" You are not a very good one with only 57 followers on TH-cam. Getting down to it only 57 followers, "my own unique sound" sounds like dog crap. AI can skip you and let people create what we want to hear. not the Auto Tuned political woke drivel we are feed now and expected to like.
@@abram730 I used suno’s upload feature and extended some loops I made. I liked what I heard but It wasn’t my sound, it had a much different mix, a different arrangement approach than mine. I like it as a tool and I’d support it, if it didn’t learn on artists’ work without their permission. I’d want people to learn production off of my works in the future, but not an ai. It’s not a person. I see it as a program which uses copyrighted works for commercial purposes. Ai as a tool should exist, but ethically speaking, the companies should pay artists if they want to use their music.
The guy talking about AI doesn't really know what he talking about with these AI music outputs. The hook / melody of "All I want for Christmas" is replicated because users can upload a segment of a song into Suno or Udio, and the programs use machine learning to extend the song, and uses melodies and sounds from the uploaded song. It's actually really incredible technology, and of course these record labels want to blame AI for their losses.
the ''all i want for christmas'' case came from sync my music. and this was done before the input upload option was added to suno and udio ( in this case this was udio ) and eventually they put that specific case with the quote into the lawsuit.
I uploaded Mariah Carey Christmas to my cassette recorder , and it sounded very similar , so now we can sue all cassette player companies.
@@elmentor8919 if you were to want to make profit of that recording indeed you would have issues lol.
Oh yeah, then show me one AI song that any music affictionado older than 40 can't directly attribute to a previous hit.
A.I should focus on integrating into our lives not replacing people.
Someone out there escaped nasty addictions by falling in love with the art of making music.
The people who where working on this are in a class of privileged rich people. All they care about is making more money. They dont care who they hate in the process
So, the company and semi talented “artists” who need auto tune, are suing AI technology? Hmmmm.
You don’t know anything. You don’t know what goes into music production, you don’t know anything about music marketing, you don’t know anything about record labels. Please stop spreading your opinions about music when you probably don’t even know how autotune works in the first place.
@@xgalactixtoo Why should so much "go into" it? When AI tools will make it so much easier now. Ai will replace everyone's "jobs". AI is not the problem, needing "jobs" is.
@@GrumpDog because it’s art. Why get rid of the creative jobs first? Many artists put emotion, hard work into their music and it’s fun. Why get rid of it when you can listen to music made by people who feel, who love what they do, who are great at it and put love into it? AI shouldn’t replace this. AI should be a tool, replace the non-enjoyable jobs and bring new ones instead.
@@GrumpDog people dedicate their lives to music, digital art, drawing. Most artists do it because they love it and it brings food on the table.
@@xgalactixtoo I agree.. But the goal of what I'm suggesting, would be to remove the necessity to do things to put food on the table. AI's end goal as it advances, functionally breaks a human worker's ability to earn an income. So we as a society must let go of that requirement on every individual's survival, and find new ways to distribute basic resources. It is the only way. Art should be created because it's fun, people love creating it and experiencing it, it's a genuine human way to express emotions and deep meaning. And what I'm suggesting is that aspect of it will be increased, if we can remove the need to do it to put food on the table. At that point, AI goes back to being just a tool, rather than a capitalist's replacement for workers.
To be honest with you the hell with the music industry they have been ripping off artists for decades the artists are the ones who should be suing
Ai generated music is the punishment for these record labels. Its brilliant
They are voice thieves
I use suno, and I love what you can do with it. People are to own the lyrics used in making a song. Nowto be fair, singer voices can sometimes sound similar to some artists but usually sound different enough. All forms of writing and musical know how come from what we learn from others. Sometimes it costs money but places like here offer learning for free. TBH, i scrap things that way to similar to songs I know as that's not cool imo. I want something I haven't heard before when making songs. There is a report function on site for seeing stuff that would violate TOS.
every thing sounds the same under Auto Tune.
I could fold my own damn laundry thank you! Keep it up Suno!
In terms of the Fair Use argument. There is an argument to be made that because AI's data sources are so randomized, there's no way to determine where the outputs are coming from. Prior to AI, whenever any sort of content used works under AI; It was a clear indication of what the original source material was; thus the work could also be used to promote the original work.
With AI ... that argument doesn't work, because you're essentially sampling from thousands of different sources, many of whom a lot of people who use the tool don't even know about.
Wrong. AI's data sources are instantly identifiable to anyone who'd been around long enough. I have 50 years of non-stop popular and obscur songs in my head. AI hasn't fooled me once. I can name the song / artist its copying within ten second every god damned time. Trust me I wish it weren't so. But I think its just the way its always going to work.
even though I like listening to music that doesn’t mean they have the lawsuit AI company or company, this is getting on my nerves
😟 w.
But it's inappropriate to use the star name for the music.
What does this have to do with anything?
@@xgalactixtoo Go look up copyright law. Then try impersonation laws.
@@snowrose101 makes more sense, but still, it’s not just the voice. It’s the production, and just the fact that ai was taught on music without the creators’/right owners’ permission
@@snowrose101 Can you give specific examples of what to look for given the amount of stuff one would have to look at>?
If we let AI continue to persist there’s gonna be no more effort put into works anymore, BAN AI
AI is going to suck every drop of joy out of your life.....your life .....his life .......hers........everyone's. Those who remember the past will hurt the most, but younger people won't have the life experience to KNOW their life will be joyless.
And they were using derulo's name!
Of course.. Soon as something like this gets good, they're gonna try to shut it down. Lots of gems on Udio.. I guess I'll start downloading my favs, just to ensure they aren't destroyed if this lawsuit goes bad.
The established industries can't handle innovative competition.
do they really think that lawsuits are the answer? I had no idea who this Jason Derulo person was, until I saw this news clip. Seems to me that these AI companies are making this Jason person even more famous?
I have used these programs. It's a random crapshoot of what voice randomly generates. I'd never heard of this dude, either.
If not lawsuits… what else? Not the ai companies are making Jason Derulo more famous but the labels suing the companies. As an artist, I wouldn’t want my voice copied without my permission and used for anything people want.
@@erikprestonTV There is a new feature that lets you upload a rift and then it makes a song based on that. They uploaded their own artist's song and the AI extended it. They then claim that it is copyright infringement and that the AI must have been trained on their artist's work. However they were the ones who uploaded it and it doesn't train on uploads.
They essentially asked the AI to make a derivative work based on a Jason Derulo sample. Lawsuit smells like a money grab mixed with Jason Derulo advertising. Considering how they did this and how they are misrepresenting it, this looks to be a slap suit.
I like Mike even if he was not right (he was right its just a rhythm I had to make using Actual Human Intelligence)
Was this guy paid to whine about copyright infringement?
Almost definitely.
Will this comment get taken down?
Almost definitely.
I think humans should only be able to copy
This is a kick in the balls for record labels And I love it
Ban ai
For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!