Excellent demonstration. I like this Video more than many other Pussycat videos especially because the driver is testing his new car using different methods and he didn’t wreck it. Thanks.
You need to run in rock or mud mode on the selector. These shut off traction control, which is why you’re bogging down without the wheels spinning. All other modes allow some level of timing pull or braking for traction control.
I agree. You have the Trailhawk which has the Selec-Terrain. Using these properly with decent experience will make quick work or those obstacles. You’d be surprised what the Trailhawk is capable of; both the Renegade and the Compass.
Good point. Additionally I’d love to see jeep offer a regular geared four-wheel-drive for the trail hawk version. There’s just nothing like an old-fashioned two speed transfer case like the jeep Cherokee or even the jeep libertys had
matt ur right about using the proper machine for the job and I'd love a wrangler but this is my first jeep is there not room for all us jeep owners to enjoy them u don't no how lucky u are having the trails u have try living in ireland if u go of road u get chased it all belongs to someone I can only dream of doing what u do
Fun video, thanks for showing the good, the bad and the ugly. ;) I'm getting interested in the new Compass, so assuming it has the same power train & 4WD system as the Renegade, I've been watching more Renegade videos. I currently have a Subaru Crosstrek, but it doesn't have a good approach angle. It's been dirty a few times, though. :)
Well I could never do most of this on my Silverado, so hats off to the Renegade! I get that's its not a Wrangler, but dang it certainly does try to be!
Experience and better offroad tires is all the little TH needs to get you anywhere you want to go. I have the Cooper Discoverer AT3 on mine and have been very pleased both on and offroad.
As others have said, you need to get tires all in the same size ASAP if you want your rear PTO to last. What it looks like would fix your rubbing problem is wheels with the correct offset.
Couple things: 1. Running different size diameter tires will wreck your 4wd system, please read the manual. Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference 215/75-15 6.3in 13.8in 27.7in 87.0in 728 0.0% 235/75-15 6.9in 14.4in 28.9in 90.7in 698 4.3% 2. Those are BFG KM2's on the front... 3. I like your vids, you need a lift too! Keep having fun.
A few pounds of pressure down in the tires may have yielded you better results...but good to see you making alot of those. Should also just a tip watch your line. Lower height try to straddle the ruts ;)
Diesel might be the best. The newer turbo ones with a little bit better gearing actually makes a huge difference. It's a out 700-800 more lbs of total wheel torque.
A 235 60 17 probably with wheel spacers) would be a great size if it fits without rub and if you can find it I all terrain. This would be a "plus zero" size. I would absolutely NOT increase the wheel circumference on this vehicle due to the limited low range gearing. You'll have to lift , keep tire circumference and MAYBE increase tire width. If it were me , I'd get a more aggressive type of tire but keep the tire size , especially since the lifts go all the way to 4 inches for this one. Keep the tire size and maybe get a 2-3 inch lift. 2.5 inch lift would probably be perfect if you can find it.
There was some good driving there. And some not so good. Can you leave the trailhawk in auto and set it to low? My sport doesnt have the low setting so im not sure. Honestly some of those tricky spots you just werent letting the computer figure it out. I think a few more seconds would have had them.
Isn't running 2 different sizes hard on your transmission/transfer case? The front will have more revs. Per mile than the rear. The transfer case will take the difference and probably take a shit one day.
+bmwmsport11 Long story short, yes its bad on the rear PTO clutches as they have to content with a speed bias created by 2 different circumferences. We don't have the sidewall hieght but assuming they are the same its about 4% difference, enough to shorten the life of that PTO over time.
Do you think I can install a a a 30mm track winding on a stock Trailhawk or would the tires scrape in the wheel arches while offroading or towing a trailer?
Your problem isn't from traction, its from lack of low range, and the brake lock differentials causing the vehicle to bog down, happens on the Compass/Patriot Platform as well
Those are actually automatic in the Renegade Trailhawk. When car senses off-road driving, when turning left, the left one turns on. When turning right, the right one does the same. They are separate from fog lights - they are like side lights for off-road only. I found it useful in my Trailhawk :)
Yes exactly that - it points to where there might be rocks or other obstacles you'd otherwise not see in the dark, right before you drive over them, or decide to avoid them by going around. It only lights up like 4-5 feet diagonally from each light.
Just my $.02 but for the cost of a brand new Renegade you could have bought so many other used 4x4s with way more capability. But if it is your cup of tea then enjoy it and have fun.
It seems to be about the same size as a 90s explorer, it’s the $1500 craigslist special and should be just as fun. If I was driving over 50 miles a day it would make more sense getting a renegade for the gas savings
Where did you find wheels with a positive offset and how did you mount them? I'm having a hard time finding wheels. All I can find that fits the bolt pattern is front wheel drive wheels with a negative offset.
so am looking at leasing a Trail hawk or Latitude package on the 17 inch wheel I had a hard time finding a decent set of AT's from tire Rack the factory tires are junk so what is a good tire to run. I have Destination AT's on my Ram Truck love these tires but they don't make them in the size for the Renegade.
I know little about 4WD ..why is it that when the engine is racing high, the tires aren't spinning?...Is it a transmission issue or is that the way the 4WD/AWD is supposed to work so as not to make matters worse?
It is the transmission doing it's part when it recognizes slippage from 1 wheel. It will then try to transfer the torque to the non spinning tire. The transmission will eventually overheat if he continues to operate in that type of terrain as it can not handle the strain of slippage. This is not a true 4wd vehicle and does not have a true transfer case or low range. Without those features it is still just a car with a sophisticated computer that tries to transfer the power where needed and applies braking force to the wheel that is spinning.
Need some tires on that thing! And God! Chrysler please give this thing some more balls! That 2.4 was gutless in the dart now it's got more weight and 4 wheels to turn🙄! Would be sweet if they offered a manual trans pentastar v6 in that fucker! Thing would be a blast 2 drive
"...215/R15 BFGs in the front and 235/R15 Kendas in the rear..."... are you trying to destroy your vehicle's AWD system? I like that you're actually off-roading your Jeep Renegade Trailhawk but running different diameter tires on an AWD driveline is a quick way to destroy it.
What is up with the traction control in these things... At some points you aren't moving on the hill, the engine is struggling, and there is no wheel spin. Why is isn't power being put to the wheels at that point? I've seen this in multiple Renegade videos. Seems like a huge shortcoming.
+Dwealdric It's the same for any vehicle that doesn't have low range and uses the brakes for traction management. The traction management system uses the brakes to send power from the wheels with no traction to the wheel with traction...this requires twice as much torque when compared to a locked differential. The plus sides are it's cheap(every vehicle these days has ABS so it's just a matter of software programming) and it's pretty effective in most situations, downside is without low range such as in the KL you run out of power/torque really fast. Same issue in the MK's.
+Philip Olinger low gear is just first gear at ~20:1 for the Renegade. A low range transfer case will multiply that and can be anywhere from 30-70:1. The new Cherokee(KL) does that with a 2 speed PTU and depending upon the engine(v6 is 30 something to 1, 4 cyl is near 60 to 1)
+Philip Olinger correct. the button just changes some program parameters and "locks" it in first gear. There isn't a transfercase in the renegade, Patriot/Compass, or Cherokee(KL). The Cherokee uses a 2 speed PTU instead of transfercase so it technically does have low range.
Dont leave it on auto mode even in 4low I made that mistake and got stuck for a good while then I passed through again in the right setting passed through no problem auto mode is not a very good setting maybe for real light stuff its ok but not much more
You drove this like its a wrangler on 37s lol The vehicle wasnt made for hardcore use, keep bottoming out and your gonna have some serious mechanical issues.
Bro, it's a Jeep. It's not meant to be a pavement queen. If he didn't want to wheel it, he'd have bought a car. As you see, it's holding it's own on the trail
The renegade looks impressive for the style, but in this video the guy I can tell need more training to drive in off road and he will be more success whit less speed and effort. I watching every video out there and only two occasion I saw whit an Off road tires and was really amazing.
Looks much more capable (and badass) with the lift kit and mud tire. 10/10
Excellent demonstration. I like this Video more than many other Pussycat videos especially because the driver is testing his new car using different methods and he didn’t wreck it. Thanks.
looks like you guys were having a ton of fun! can't wait to get off work and take my trailhawk out :-)
You need to run in rock or mud mode on the selector. These shut off traction control, which is why you’re bogging down without the wheels spinning. All other modes allow some level of timing pull or braking for traction control.
I agree. You have the Trailhawk which has the Selec-Terrain. Using these properly with decent experience will make quick work or those obstacles. You’d be surprised what the Trailhawk is capable of; both the Renegade and the Compass.
Good point. Additionally I’d love to see jeep offer a regular geared four-wheel-drive for the trail hawk version. There’s just nothing like an old-fashioned two speed transfer case like the jeep Cherokee or even the jeep libertys had
Thanks for posting that. Looks like you had a blast and I enjoyed watching your fun. Makes me want to buy a Renegade.
matt ur right about using the proper machine for the job and I'd love a wrangler but this is my first jeep is there not room for all us jeep owners to enjoy them u don't no how lucky u are having the trails u have try living in ireland if u go of road u get chased it all belongs to someone I can only dream of doing what u do
Fun video, thanks for showing the good, the bad and the ugly. ;) I'm getting interested in the new Compass, so assuming it has the same power train & 4WD system as the Renegade, I've been watching more Renegade videos. I currently have a Subaru Crosstrek, but it doesn't have a good approach angle. It's been dirty a few times, though. :)
Well I could never do most of this on my Silverado, so hats off to the Renegade! I get that's its not a Wrangler, but dang it certainly does try to be!
Experience and better offroad tires is all the little TH needs to get you anywhere you want to go. I have the Cooper Discoverer AT3 on mine and have been very pleased both on and offroad.
You have your tires on stocknrims? What size tires are they?
Very good driving.....can clearly see the limitations of TC/no low range when climbing hills.
+Craig Moorer
He writes "4 Low" so apparently it has low gears...
+LionheartSJZ 4 low in the Renegade just changes some programming and forces the transmission into 1rst gear...not a true low range.
+rcguymike hence the bogging at :36
+Craig Moorer MK's have the same problem
Amazingly capable little vehicle for what it is.
As others have said, you need to get tires all in the same size ASAP if you want your rear PTO to last. What it looks like would fix your rubbing problem is wheels with the correct offset.
Wuts PTO
Glad to see you back on TH-cam.
my wife wants one and after watching this video, now I want one too lol. Great vud BTW 👍
Couple things: 1. Running different size diameter tires will wreck your 4wd system, please read the manual.
Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
215/75-15 6.3in 13.8in 27.7in 87.0in 728 0.0%
235/75-15 6.9in 14.4in 28.9in 90.7in 698 4.3%
2. Those are BFG KM2's on the front...
3. I like your vids, you need a lift too! Keep having fun.
Are you speculating about the sidewall height? He didn't state that size. Or did you see it in the video?
Well at least you're getting the experience you need
The Jeep Renegade trailhawk is very capable off-road it just doesn't have a lot of ground clear.
A few pounds of pressure down in the tires may have yielded you better results...but good to see you making alot of those. Should also just a tip watch your line. Lower height try to straddle the ruts ;)
I really wish the trail hawk came in manual transmission
Yes definitely. Really don't like the auto.
@@frankl9103 it does. the 1.4 liter turbo trailhawk is manual
Diesel might be the best. The newer turbo ones with a little bit better gearing actually makes a huge difference. It's a out 700-800 more lbs of total wheel torque.
the renegade is amazing
@ 3:15 and forward the lights down low turn on when turning the wheels. what causes this? I've seen turn signals do this but never anything like this.
MrBurgandy25 that's part of the design. It freaked me out until we realized it was normal, I had thought we had bad wiring at first.
A 235 60 17 probably with wheel spacers) would be a great size if it fits without rub and if you can find it I all terrain. This would be a "plus zero" size. I would absolutely NOT increase the wheel circumference on this vehicle due to the limited low range gearing. You'll have to lift , keep tire circumference and MAYBE increase tire width. If it were me , I'd get a more aggressive type of tire but keep the tire size , especially since the lifts go all the way to 4 inches for this one. Keep the tire size and maybe get a 2-3 inch lift. 2.5 inch lift would probably be perfect if you can find it.
what kind of roof cage is that?
You're actually using two different size tires F/R?
Nice vid, I liked the annotations
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wOW LOOKS GREAT WITH THE BFG'S !
Awesome little Jeep 😁👍
There was some good driving there. And some not so good. Can you leave the trailhawk in auto and set it to low? My sport doesnt have the low setting so im not sure. Honestly some of those tricky spots you just werent letting the computer figure it out. I think a few more seconds would have had them.
Isn't running 2 different sizes hard on your transmission/transfer case? The front will have more revs. Per mile than the rear. The transfer case will take the difference and probably take a shit one day.
+bmwmsport11 I believe it is only an issue if it is two different tires on same set...so front & rear no issues if different sizes
+bmwmsport11 it doesn't have a transfer case, but I think because the different rotational speed would ruin some ones day down the road lol.
+bmwmsport11 Long story short, yes its bad on the rear PTO clutches as they have to content with a speed bias created by 2 different circumferences. We don't have the sidewall hieght but assuming they are the same its about 4% difference, enough to shorten the life of that PTO over time.
+rwilliamjacob how does it not have a transfer case?
It's a fwd platform it has a power transfer unit though.
You jave the stock 17" rims here? What size tires do you have ?
Do you think I can install a a a 30mm track winding on a stock Trailhawk or would the tires scrape in the wheel arches while offroading or towing a trailer?
Is it more capable than subaru forester?
Your problem isn't from traction, its from lack of low range, and the brake lock differentials causing the vehicle to bog down, happens on the Compass/Patriot Platform as well
Thanks for going out and making an actual normal- no extras on the video! Plus it’s seems like your out there having fun.
Nice video and nice SUV. But I have the feeling that my 1987 cheap standard Suzuki Samurai can do the same job and besides that it’s a convertible...
You have 15s on your trail hawk? Did you have to shave down the calipers or was the offset enough? Great video. We should have a renegade rally. Haha
Where did you get the roof basket... what's its name?
that's what I would like to know also
I think is home made with rebar
2:05 shit got real when he turned on his fog lights. lol
+krwiles LOL i think it helped him get up actually! LMAO
Those are actually automatic in the Renegade Trailhawk. When car senses off-road driving, when turning left, the left one turns on. When turning right, the right one does the same. They are separate from fog lights - they are like side lights for off-road only. I found it useful in my Trailhawk :)
Sergey Bort nice but what is the purpose? to illuminate the way your turning?
Yes exactly that - it points to where there might be rocks or other obstacles you'd otherwise not see in the dark, right before you drive over them, or decide to avoid them by going around. It only lights up like 4-5 feet diagonally from each light.
I want to get a trailhawk so bad! Put a 2 inch lift on it.. that’d be tight
Great videos!!
running a diff exhaust?
Dear colleague,
What is the tire size you are using on Renegade?
What kind of roof rack is that? I've never saw one without cross bars
Which engine? Sorry if I missed it.
Thanks for running through this. Now I don't have to put my through that. Your roof basket... what brand, size, and where did you buy it?
+Jeremiah Munoz
custom made. still working on it and adding things. 4ft x 6ft. attaches to roof rails without cross bars.
+Renegade Adventures the roof rack is freaking awesome I would love to see a video on that
Needs a 4 cyl diesel.
Random Thoughts I agree. The extra torque is a blessing off-road.
Just my $.02 but for the cost of a brand new Renegade you could have bought so many other used 4x4s with way more capability. But if it is your cup of tea then enjoy it and have fun.
It seems to be about the same size as a 90s explorer, it’s the $1500 craigslist special and should be just as fun. If I was driving over 50 miles a day it would make more sense getting a renegade for the gas savings
Is that a custom roof rack?
Great video! All about practice and more importantly having fun! Also, which roof rack is that? Looking for one for my Trailblazer.
Did you ever find out what kind of roof rack that was?
need active drive lock and the 3.2 V6
Well what he needs he ain't gonna get in the Renegade now, will he?
I want one of these so bad
i have a latitude I love it but if you can afford the trail hawk totally get it!
Good video 👍
Onde compro umas rodas tala igual a do outro filme?
Plaese, What is the machine of this car?
Yes what roof rack plz
Renegade Adventures, what roof rack you got there?
Where did you find wheels with a positive offset and how did you mount them? I'm having a hard time finding wheels. All I can find that fits the bolt pattern is front wheel drive wheels with a negative offset.
+Steve Szeliga
1" spacers changes 5x110 to 5x4.5. im using crager soft 8.
+SoCal OffRoad no issues rubbing or other modifications?
Probably the most off-road capable small suv, but it isn't a wrangler
So what's your point?
really digging your wheels! what are they?
so am looking at leasing a Trail hawk or Latitude package on the 17 inch wheel I had a hard time finding a decent set of AT's from tire Rack the factory tires are junk so what is a good tire to run. I have Destination AT's on my Ram Truck love these tires but they don't make them in the size for the Renegade.
just buy a real jeep
+joe smith the cost of a Wrangler doesn't make sense when you get get a Ram 1500 4x4 with a hemi for the same cost.
Well that was painful to watch in parts.
I know little about 4WD ..why is it that when the engine is racing high, the tires aren't spinning?...Is it a transmission issue or is that the way the 4WD/AWD is supposed to work so as not to make matters worse?
It is the transmission doing it's part when it recognizes slippage from 1 wheel. It will then try to transfer the torque to the non spinning tire. The transmission will eventually overheat if he continues to operate in that type of terrain as it can not handle the strain of slippage. This is not a true 4wd vehicle and does not have a true transfer case or low range. Without those features it is still just a car with a sophisticated computer that tries to transfer the power where needed and applies braking force to the wheel that is spinning.
Really nice video. I bet if it was in rock it would have made the first hill attempt. In auto it takes to long to make up its mind
What name brand is that roof rack ??
We're the tires stock tires on the renegade?
What type of roof rack is that?
Very capable city car. I want one so I can go over the pot holes.
Need some tires on that thing! And God! Chrysler please give this thing some more balls! That 2.4 was gutless in the dart now it's got more weight and 4 wheels to turn🙄! Would be sweet if they offered a manual trans pentastar v6 in that fucker! Thing would be a blast 2 drive
What size tires are those on the second run?
At 8 minutes... did it just not have enough power? I feel like this motor is constantly struggling...
It's do to the auto mode and the tires, in auto if there is wheel slip it keeps the tires from spinning even if you try to floor it
"...215/R15 BFGs in the front and 235/R15 Kendas in the rear..."... are you trying to destroy your vehicle's AWD system? I like that you're actually off-roading your Jeep Renegade Trailhawk but running different diameter tires on an AWD driveline is a quick way to destroy it.
What type of roof rack do you have?
What is up with the traction control in these things... At some points you aren't moving on the hill, the engine is struggling, and there is no wheel spin. Why is isn't power being put to the wheels at that point? I've seen this in multiple Renegade videos. Seems like a huge shortcoming.
+Dwealdric It's the same for any vehicle that doesn't have low range and uses the brakes for traction management. The traction management system uses the brakes to send power from the wheels with no traction to the wheel with traction...this requires twice as much torque when compared to a locked differential. The plus sides are it's cheap(every vehicle these days has ABS so it's just a matter of software programming) and it's pretty effective in most situations, downside is without low range such as in the KL you run out of power/torque really fast. Same issue in the MK's.
+rcguymike trailhawk version as in video has low gears and he says he's using it in the video.
+Philip Olinger low gear is just first gear at ~20:1 for the Renegade. A low range transfer case will multiply that and can be anywhere from 30-70:1. The new Cherokee(KL) does that with a 2 speed PTU and depending upon the engine(v6 is 30 something to 1, 4 cyl is near 60 to 1)
I see, so the 4 low in the renegade isn't using a transfer case and isn't a true low range? I have a wrangler so that's all I know
+Philip Olinger correct. the button just changes some program parameters and "locks" it in first gear. There isn't a transfercase in the renegade, Patriot/Compass, or Cherokee(KL). The Cherokee uses a 2 speed PTU instead of transfercase so it technically does have low range.
Dont leave it on auto mode even in 4low I made that mistake and got stuck for a good while then I passed through again in the right setting passed through no problem auto mode is not a very good setting maybe for real light stuff its ok but not much more
The car is ok! Not the pilot!😂
Those tyres dont really look aired down...are they?
+Zdenek Petzl i seriously doubt they are. Would make a huge difference.
+Zdenek Petzl
not air down. haven't invested in a tire pump yet.
how you liking your renegade ?
Главное режим "фары" включить...))
Street tires in the mud? Put some proper MT's on that thing and it will make a WORLD of difference!!
Solid
Nice spot !
what kind of exhaust do have? is it stock?
+Jacko Reaper
stock. sound is from aem intake system.
sounds nice.
It does better than a Suburau.
awww how cute lol ... still a jeep right ?
You drove this like its a wrangler on 37s lol
The vehicle wasnt made for hardcore use, keep bottoming out and your gonna have some serious mechanical issues.
Bro, it's a Jeep. It's not meant to be a pavement queen. If he didn't want to wheel it, he'd have bought a car. As you see, it's holding it's own on the trail
Hey can he just put better shocks, should fox shocks fit this, that might help to
Did you get mud on your seat threads?
Drop a Aussie Locker in rear and quadruple it's capabilities
what size engine?
+Jim Morgan 2.4 lt
2.4L tigershark engine? China Chrysler factory installed a 2.0L engine on it.....
The renegade looks impressive for the style, but in this video the guy I can tell need more training to drive in off road and he will be more success whit less speed and effort. I watching every video out there and only two occasion I saw whit an Off road tires and was really amazing.
more more more!! i wov dis lil jeep!! 😙😙😙😙😙
your drive is horrible!! The way you accelerate, turn and face the climb is completely wrong .
躊躇なく突っ込めるのが凄い！
新車もったいないよ(´Д` )
your testing wrong jeep reganade to low. can brake. in grunt trans. flimsy
umm I hope the tires are the same hight otherwise your going to destroy that vehicle
Get out from behind the wheel Helen Keller.
LOL! It sounds like a little motorboat. Not to mention a Subaru Forester would out-wheel that silly little roller-skate.
Wrong tyres.
Too much speed. Offroading is patience and skill. You're gonna wreck something
Poor little fiat