Deep MUD: Can The 2020 Jeep Renegade Trailhawk Be As Fun As A Wrangler Off-Road?
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- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2020 Jeep Renegade Trailhawk is new for this year with a revised turbo engine. In this video we dive deep into Michigan offloading with Jeep and their new compact off-roader. but can it possibly be as fun as the wrangler in the mud and rocks? We hit the trails to find out!
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Just took my Renegade Trailhawk to Moab a few weeks ago. I'm not naive enough to think my Renegade compares to a Wrangler, so I kept the trails moderate (3 - 4 rating). This little thing tackled every obstacle I put in front of it with barely a hiccup. Myself and my passengers were all extremely impressed with just how capable these little things really are.
did you modify it? if you did, can you shoot me the links to where you get them? I wanna upgrade my renegade.
@@rickymarquez8475 no upgrades, fully stock. Jeep Renegade Forum (search on Google to find it) is a great resource for mod ideas and links.
@@brianklarsen182 I just recently jumped on that, that is so dope. What trail(s) did you take? I'm planning on going pretty soon!
@@rickymarquez8475 here are the trails I've done, starting with my favorite:
Chicken Corners
Gemini Bridges
Bull Canyon
Dellenbaugh Tunnel
Secret Spire
Onion Creek
Thompson Canyon
Potash Road
@@brianklarsen182 thanks man!!
Lets be honest, most people who buy Wrangles might as well get a Renegade instead.
Maxawe Some huh??
Maxawe Some yeah your probably not wrong
Most people who buy wranglers probably could just buy a subaru impreza and I’d think at least 25% of them could just get away with a 10 speed road bike.. ;)
Only issue is there isn't air conditioning in the back, it hot as fck here in a he valley, it needs it
I agree. We have a Renegade, it is a perfectly good foul weather vehicle, and will get you to a trailhead. After much cross-shopping, we found it to have the most comfortable and roomy interior in its class. We got a Latitude with lockable AWD and the 18" rims, ground clearance is fairly good and it is a surprisingly good handling CUV.
I LOVED my Renegade...it was so good in the snow, and I could take it off roaring without worrying about it. I couldn’t do crazy shit like the huge trails at Moab but for practicality it was awesome. My husband talked me into a Cherokee cuz of a growing family and it’s nice but I miss my Renny
I bought mine to drive Uber where I live. I get quite a bit of snow and it's great in the snow and compact enough to be a city driver. One of the best decisions I've made.
My dad does security at the FCA proving grounds and see’s all of the paces they put their cars through. That’s awesome knowing they can experience that. That Jeep is fantastic!!!
Got to give the Jeep engineers some love for turning the Fiat 500 into a decent soft roader.
Fiat Panda
What a cute car...... yes I said CAR
@@wmc128
Jeep Renegade is related to these Vehicles
Fiat 500X
Fiat 500L
Fiat Toro
Jeep Compass
Fiat 500x^
@@anthonywebber2211 I think it's just the Fiat 500X. But anyone that says it's a Panda is an idiot and doesn't know how to use the internet. It's not even the same chassis. The Panda is smaller than the Renegade.
I own a 2015 trailhawk and love it. I've taken it to off road parks and to back roads in Colorado similar to what is seen in the video and it performed greatly. But what I really love is that it's a great daily driver too. It's got a comfy, smooth ride.
Yep. You can do 100mph and not fear for your life like you might in a Wrangler.
@@off-roadingexplained8417 I own the 2015 renegade trailhawk and I have done exactly this, its amazing all around. My favorite thing was being able to load some snowboards up in it and drive all the way to the lodge while I drove past lifted trucks tryin to put chains on... fools lol
"Oh but it's not a wrangler". Well not everyone can afford to spend 50k on a new wrangler
An the vast majority of the ones that buy a Wrangler never go off road anyway.
New wranglers are far from 50g
Donavin A. Definitely, would you get this over a older wrangler?
I would argue that the Renegade is actually more expensive. How? Depreciation. I just looked up the 5 year depreciation for both. 2019 Renegade Trailhawk (MSRP $29k) is estimated to depreciate $13.6k over 5 years. In comparison, a 2019 Wrangler 4-door Rubicon (MSRP $43k) is estimated to depreciate $12k over 5 years. Renegade = big depreciation. Wrangler = among the lowest depreciation of all new vehicles (along with Tacoma and 4Runner). Just something to think about.
@@Whiteandsonsgarage I actually own a 2018 Renegade with a Teraflex lift, bfg ko2 tires, and KMC Bully rims. Does great in the snow and gets me out to my shooting spot out in the middle of nowhere. Only complaint is the shit gas mileage.
I Love my 2015 renegade trailhawk. I have 58000 miles on it and have driven it offroad many times in deep snow, snowstorms, steep rutted fire roads, sandy beaches and pretty much anywhere i felt like going and never once has it disappointed me or left me stranded. I have all of this recovery gear and have never had to use it except once When I had to pull some kids and their dads old ford truck out of some deep mud. I have only had one minor complaint about my jeep and that is the late shifting transmission but honestly I have totally gotten used to it and besides anybody watching this review is probably interested in the 2019 renegade which doesnt have any transmission issues at all. I know I test drove one while killing time at the dealership and I was shocked at how quick it was. So in my opinion if you are thinking about the renegade trailhawk go buy it you wont regret it because it may not be a wrangler offroad but that also means its not a wrangler on the road as well.
how's the maintenance and reliability since you have close to 60k miles on it? i'm about to buy a basic model but americans keep scaring me about its reliability
@@hussainrt3242 I have got the trailhawk version which Is built to a different standard because it is meant for offroading. My experience wouldn't apply to a standard renegade but just so you know I have had only 1 problem in 3yrs. My engine temp sensor went out after 38000 miles which caused my check engine light to come on. My jeep still ran without any issues and I got the sensor replaced after a couple of weeks. That is the only problem I have ever had with my renegade trailhawk. I hope that helps
U 100% said it lmao my dad sold his wrangler cuz 15mpg gets old, the noise gets old, the lack of features even in 2018 models. It's a pain for anyone not just coming out to town. Almost everyone would have been better off with the Rene or Cherokee
We’ve had a Trailhawk for 3 years now as my wife’s vehicle. No problems at all, and it’s been a nice little car. Been genuinely off-road only once in it, but it inspired confidence.
@Carolus Magnus I'm a Jeeper - a rock crawler. I've had multiple lifted YJs, and lifted LJ, and an XJ and taken them all over the place. So I'll just go ahead and repeat what I said above, we've taken it genuinely off-road only once, but it inspired confidence.
I got a 2015 one over here in the UK. Had 4000 miles on it and both front track rods failed, the alarm system would just randomly set off which became a pain in the arse. I've also owned the suzuki jimny and I would pick the jimny over the renegade any day, half the price, far more reliable and 100% more fun both on and off road.
@@stoeydude2000 You must have had a dud Renegade then. I'm in the UK too and have a 2.2L 4x4 Jeep Patriot which is supposedly less reliable (if you read bullshit "expert" reviews) yet only thing that went on it was starter motor at 85K. It has a longer wheel base than the Renegade, a little less clearance and no low range 4wd. YET I've been down dozens of forest tracks and have also taken it to four official off-road track days amongst wranglers, old cherokees, discoveries and defenders and bar anything that my Patriot's clearance can't handle, it has never got stuck once in thick mud or had to be winched out. It is pretty capable off road and it's just done 100K. I've done 40K in it never had to replace any suspension parts nothing. As for the Jimny, I like the design of the 2019 model and it's low range 4wd BUT how can it be more fun off or on-road than a Trailhawk or even a Patriot? Drove a Renegade once and it was rapid on-road! Fun little car. I've had my Patriot's engine remapped from 160 to 200BHP, it does 0-60 in about 8+ seconds and has a top speed of 125mph. The new Jimny has 99BHP with a top speed of 90mph. How's that more fun on road? Just saying.
@Carolus Magnus you have nothing better to do than pick fights and be a smart ass online?
These little machines are surprising, even without the low range case.
Went on a snow run this winter where me and the club had to save a big modded out dodge cause it just couldnt handle the snow with its MTs. Deep crusty snow.
I had my cherokee trailhawk at the time (own a 2019 JLU Rubi now, my dream machine) with a 2in lift and 2in bigger tires and rock sliders, and I recommend that machine to anyone. But we made it to the end of the trail with some struggle, and some fun.
And a renegade scooted right up to us and past us in the deep snow. We all kind of were laughing and thinking how it was going to be retrieved as it came up to us, and then the driver went around us and past us, and we werent laughing after that lol xD They are more impressive than one thinks.
Renegades have seriously good snow performance. It's part of the reason they're now so popular throughout the Midwest. I'm finally going to get some capable tires for mine this summer. I'm already looking forward to next winter.
Of course it's not a wrangler, it's also not a powerwagon. Perspective is everything, people don't think they are buying a wrangler alternative, they are using "perspective" on what they actually need.
There's one thats lifted with larger tires in our Jeep group here in Florida. You'd be REALLY surprised where that thing can go.
the white one?
@@nunyabusiness1613 lol funny to see ya on the YT. Yeah the white one. That dude has taken that thing through some stuff.
People want advancement, but people fight change. We always want new tech to be developed for existing challenges, but when something new comes around we complain that it's not the same as the current solution (locking differentials). Nothing is going to start perfect off the drawing board, even with approval there has to be thousands of real world hours tinkering with the shortcomings of the new tech. Currently, locking differentials feel better because there's been time to iron out many issues. Awesome work, you got awesome videos.
I don't see why people put down or hate on this vehicle so much... I find the Renegade fantastic. It's no Raptor or big jeep, but it's adequate on basic overlanding, offroad trails, meets the demand or exceeds the basic every day driving demands, and imo looks really great. The Renegade is an awesome car.
A good vehicle for entry level off-roaders.
I love my Renegade. I've got a 2018 Latitude (or altitude, not sure which) and its really good off road, its fun to drive, and the 2.4L engine sounds good too. I'm glad the Renegade has been accepted into the Jeep family, they really are great little cars.
i have a previous gen (2016) Renegade Trailhawk that i have "personalized" quite a bit...i have been able to keep up with everyone i have gone off road with...Wranglers, Yotas, not much stops me...except trees...trees will stop you every time...dont ask...long story...
What all is done to it? The biggest limiting factor for a Trailhawk in stock format would probably be lower ground clearance and smaller tires.
@@GJAZ964 i have a 2.5" Avid lift with some 225/65R17 BFG KO2's...installed a skid plate for the carrier bearing and for the rear diff...also have an Avid Radius front bumper (heavy gauge steel) with a smittybilt 8500lb winch...and an Avid snorkel...the obligatory led light bar and roof basket...do have plans for more...
i would agree that the lack of ground clearance is an issue, and the stock "more aggressive" Falken Wildpeaks are just crap...that was one of the first things i changed was the tires...
@@rxmclaren7 I bet you have to have extremely careful tire placement. Do you find yourself getting hung up on rocks often? Here in Arizona, a lot of the trails have very large rocks. Even 31" tires aren't big enough for some of the more moderately difficult trails out here.
@@GJAZ964 having a good spotter helps more than you know...and yes tire placement is very very important...also knowing the capabilities of your vehicle is very important...like i wouldnt go try Metal Masher in Moab, but id go do Fins and Things, and Hell's Revenge...
@Jack Juliano because ima RENEGADE! hahahaha! sorry i couldnt resist...i also dont like following others trends...all my friends have Wranglers or other more common off road vehicles...and i have impressed more people than not when they go out with me to my local trails...
I see lifted renegades with a snorkel driving down I-75 in MI. Had more clearance than the Wrangler following it.
More clearance over a stock Wrangler I assume is what you're saying...I've seen two lifted Renegades here in Downriver area, and got to look at one of them at Wally World...I have a 2.5 inch lift on 35's and I have significantly more ground clearance. But, I do see how it is a little higher than a stock Wrangler...I'm intrigued by the Renegade now, maybe swap out my daily driver Compass for one, lol....
A daystar lift kit and different wheels with more aggressive tires would definitely help that little guy in an off-road situation. It actually improves its looks a lot if you ask me.
It does improve both capabilities and looks. I have a 2" Rough Country Lift with 245/65R17 Kenda Klever AT2.
I've done Hell's Revenge. A TrailHawk has even done Hell's Gate!
How can anyone spend that much time with their dad and get along as much as they do? I want a DNA test.
Guaranteed those two do not get along as much as they pretend on camera. It's hard to hide controlling tyrantism. It shows through.
shit, i feel lucky to not hate my dad.
Me and my dad get along great
I love spending a lot of time with my dad, and the older I've gotten the better we've gotten along.
Income
I would say they do a pretty good job for what they are. I have a 2018 that's modded with a lift, rims, tires, skid plates, lights, etc... Its capable, light weight, decent fuel mileage and its unique. But I would say the best part is that its a faction of the cost of a Wrangler or Gladiator. I would say that has alot to do with it for alot of people.
True that, I'd never buy a jeep if it wasn't for the Renegade.
Also love how this little newcomer has everyone talking about Jeep again...guess that was the purpose aswell for this first gen. Bringing people back to the Jeep-brand!
Now waiting for the model to 'mature' , I find it very exciting! But for now enjoying this one alot!
Those brakes...sounds similar to submarine going well past its depth
You get a fricking award for that one. 👌🏻👍🏻
Their proving grounds looks a lot like our city streets in northern Ontario. ;O)
2020 Jeep Renegade Trailhawk -When you absolutely, positively must get across a mall parking lot despite the many potholes, curbs and stray skateboards.
@@fl350r Perfect for detroit. XD
Yep. The numbered city "Avenues" in Clear Lake Ca. Look like this. These are neighborhoods I'm talking about.
Don't waste your money on a crappy Fiat.
I grew up in Chelsea, MI and my dad worked at the Proving Grounds, built some of the tracks there long ago. The road we lived on was only slightly better than this off road course, LOL! And our driveway.... ;-)
You know what?
People starting to compare this new model SUV with a True Offroader like a Wrangler, makes it just that much more awesome!!!
For half the price you can atleast get a taste of what offroading is all about + you get the Jeep-ownership and fun group- events with it.
Try that with any other SUV...ain't gonna happen!!!
The Renegade brings alot of people , mainly a younger offroad-enthousiast public, back to the brand and gives alot of these people the final decision to go offroading and let this 'hobby'/lifestyle be something to work on in the future!
That's where I stand, i loved this little jeep from the start and finally ordered one beginning of 2019. Haven't regret it, but it did get me thinking I like this alot more then any other more high-powered street-racer I've ever had!
So much in love with this little one and the brand, I'll probably stick to the brand and wait for the next gen or go for a wrangler..who knows! ;-)
Dude, just be happy Jeep finally has a model that actually sells well worldwide.
It's definately a lifesavior for the brand, without any doubt.
And when you open up your eyes, and go look at how many enthousiasts of the brand, buy these, even with wrangler on the driveway.
Many who bought the first editions, already are going into the dealerships and changing over to gladiators etc.
The Re'negade is definately a great startingpoint for so many Jeeplovers who just couldn't bring themsselves to put in 50k for a wrangler on the first go.
This model is also very new to the brand, and will definately grow up.
And not a jeep...just try driving one and compare it with other models, you might just be surprised how it feels.
And yes it's a mini-cuv , a babyjeep, but it's still a Jeep..as many have proven on the grounds of Moab.
I too love the wrangler, and will probably buy one in the future, but the brand never sold it to me, it just didn't convince me enough. People don't solely drive offroad you know...
You haven't been looking it up have you??!!
Tube doors, steel bumpers, winch"es, and many Many other parts and optionsd to be found. You should just join a JROG-group to learn about these, many people also modify their own parts for it aswell and some even sell it in the community.
You can already scratch half your list on a 5Y old model, how long has the wranglers and other been around??! Yups..exactly!
That said, this is also a CUV, not a true AWD_offroader...and still can keep up with many , certainly when modified, you'd be surprised what you'll find in the jrog_GROUPS ;
Just look up the ren's on moab, mudtrails etc , you'll be surprised what these 'newcoming' cuv's can do ;-)
@@robbinbanks6790 Like your freakishly old wrangler is the only one that can be called a JEEP, .
Just go look up what these ren's do in the jeepgroups on moab , mudtrails etc...These are still CUV, noone ever claimed otherwise!
This is also a 5y old model, not a decades-old-dino that didn't sell anymore!
These Renegades might just have saved your wrangler in the lineups! 200% sure of that actually,...JEEP was going under like crazy.
Of the few wranglers sold more then 90% weren't even used to offroad...where I live, it's mostly girls wearing Gucci and Prada driving them
Maybe you should start putting on some nailpolish before going out. it would suit your character.
Ole FCA Chad is very good at answering a question without answering the question asked.
Probably because it's less capable than my new Outback despite having a Jeep badge over the Fiat 500L badge. It's a Jeep, it should humiliate my car
Thought you were calling him a Chad, then I realized his name was actually Chad lol
The Inappropriate Maker Bro chill out. I think you are exaggerating.
He should work in the marketing department as well as/ instead of engineering haha.
@@AnIdiotwithaSubaru I've taken my Renegade Trailhawk places your Outback would NEVER be able to go... Rocks and mud puddles, including a section of the Famous Reading Outdoors off-road park. That said, it's my daily driver, so I bought a used 97 Wrangler to off road so I don't break the Renegade before it's paid off...
I really like mine, very capable, spacious but small at the same time. I wish they would have kept the manual option as mine is. also is selling very well all over the world. I see many of them in the streets
Hey Tommy, You are 100% correct about how to drive these modern brake based "virtual lockers" (keep the the power moderately applied and let the computer figure things out) - but your old man could use a bit of your advice...
During the Tesla Model X off-road video he was "blipping" the throttle and driving it the way you'd drive a vehicle with a set (front, rear & center) of true lockers. He never gave the system a chance to work which made the X look far less capable than it really is.
One thing I disagree with is the value of solid axles. What really matters is how much travel the suspension has. Sure a solid axle has the minor advantage that stuffing a tire deep into the wheel well will help to push the opposite side (same axle) tire into the ground but a softly spring independent suspension with 30" of travel will blow the doors off a stiffly sprung solid axle with 6" of suspension travel. Some awesome examples of independent suspension working well off-road include desert trophy trucks and the Ford Raptor's front suspension. I'd even go as far as to say that independent suspension is superior over solid axles for off-roading at higher speeds.
If you read this far I'll also (re-)mention my pet peeve about how popular TH-camrs (influencing potentially millions of people) talk about open vs locked differentials and power transfer. Open differentials and locked differentials do NOT control the power split to any specific ratio. It is almost always wrong to say a differential of any type splits power 50/50. An open differential splits torque, NOT power, to a specific ratio (typically a 50/50 torque split for an open differential in an axle). Since power = torque x rpm, the power is only split 50/50 if the wheels happen to be spinning at exactly the same rpm. When a differential is locked it locks the output shafts' (and therefore wheel) rpm from side to side (or front to rear) and allows any amount of torque and power to be applied to either output shaft (including 100% going to one side) if needed to maintain the equal rpm.
When an SUV with open differential uses the brakes to control wheel spin, what it is doing is for the spinning wheel's side, it is increasing the output shaft's torque (to whatever grip there is plus the brake torque). Since open differentials maintain specific torque ratios (typically 50/50 or equal torque), this results in an increase in torque going to both output shafts. Power wise you could say that power is sent to the wheel with grip but it is also true that power is being wasted by the brake on the other side of the differential.
Perhaps you could make a video showing driving using optimal and non-optimal techniques with vehicles with open differentials, locked differentials, torque proportional biasing differentials (eg. Torsen's like Hummers have), virtual lockers (that use the brakes to control spinning wheels), and using the ABS to create a virtual locker (some vehicles will let you use the ABS to make all 4 wheels turn at the same speed if you apply the brakes and gas at the same time; unfortunately many vehicles disable ABS below certain speeds or if throttle is applied so this doesn't always work). You could include two foot driving, especially with torque proportional diffs and with ABS systems that function at low speeds and show how much this helps and when it helps. For those I'm confusing: since Torsen's and similar diffs (incl. most limited slip diffs) add a percentage of torque that a spinning wheel receives to the side with grip, these benefit enormously from the driver applying the brakes while driving when traction is low (eg. a Torsen may provide 66% of the torque going to the wheel with the most grip and 33% going to the spinning wheel so for every extra ft-lb of torque the brakes add to a spinning wheel, you get 2 ft-lbs more going to the wheel with grip). Hummer driving/owner manuals even include instructions explaining how to use left foot braking in certain off-road situations.
Yes a long travel IFS can be as good as a solid axle, but how many factory trucks come with long travel IFS? Besides the raptor (not exactly long travel) nothing has it. However a solid axle even with a sway bar knocks the teeth out of IFS. That's where the break in off road vehicles happened, when everyone went independent vehicles started to handle like skateboards. I very rarely get wheels off the ground in either of my Jeeps unless I'm trying to.
@@thelegendarysandwich4049 to some extent manufacturers are boxing themselves into a corner by promoting and enabling the myth that solid axles are necessary for and always make the best off-road vehicles.
I've got a 1978 (axles and drivetrain at least...) 1 ton Chevy K30 chassis cab (with a 1984 C10 pickup body on it and 4.88 gears) with stock (9 leaf) rear springs and a 1980's 6 inch lift set of front springs. When unloaded it has about 1.5" of travel at the rear (before lifting a wheel) and about 3" at the front. Without the Detroit lockers front and rear, it was worse than almost all modern street focused SUVs for ability to climb rough terrain due to the lack of suspension travel. Frame flex probably does more for keeping the wheels on the ground than the suspension.
The issue with solid axles is there is so much unsprung weight that the on-road ride and handling at higher speeds (both on and off-road) is severely compromised compared to a modern IFS front & rear. We all know that even most Jeep Wranglers are going to spend most of their life on roads so compromising on-road performance is a real compromise.
I could be wrong but I suspect that at some point a manufacturer is going to release a vehicle with true off-road capable 4 wheel IFS with long travel and auto disconnecting sway bars that handles and performs exceptionally well both on and off-road. Something like Oshkosh's TAK-4 suspension but optimized for a lighter consumer SUV. It will be expensive, but due to the exceptional performance both on and off-road, eventually all manufacturers, even Jeep, will be forced to make the switch in order to remain competitive.
It's a 1 ton truck, it didn't flex very much because of that. Even the travel you do have is more than most IFS. I can get one wheel on top of a 2.5" rock without wheels coming off the ground, and that's not even maxed out in a stock Jeep. The problem with independent suspension is that you lack the lever action of a solid axle to push the other side.
As for on road, I've driven both enough that my personal preference is still a solid axle, which is probably mostly due to the vehicles with IFS I have driven.
The idea that you can have a great off road vehicle still handle in the road normally is something that just doesn't happen because everything you do to perform better off road worsens on road performance. (sway bars, tires, armor etc.) I hope I never see solid axles go.
@@thelegendarysandwich4049 for low speed offroading there is no question that solid axles work extremely well but once the speeds increase, both on and off-road, IFS has been proven to be superior. You won't see any winning trophy trucks running a solid front axle, even if 4wd.
The off-road trend is also moving to higher speeds and trucks like the Raptor with its IFS front suspension are becoming more popular due to how well they perform at these higher speeds.
For rock crawling there will always be the option of buying older vehicles and if the rock crawling market stays strong enough Jeep will probably continue to sell at least one solid axle machine (but not if the market continues to trend towards higher speeds in the long term).
There will also always be the custom low volume vehicle market and in recent years it has been growing enough that there are more and more custom vehicle builders available to build rock crawlers.
Will stock high volume vehicles be available brand new with solid axles 50 to 100 years from now? I'm not confident they will but I do believe there will be vehicles available that perform reasonably well off-road that also perform very well on-road.
If at FCA wanted they could even install front are rear mechanical lockers to Renegade.
They have done in the past in Brazil with the Fiat Palio / Adventure with e-locker. If I remember well it was 2008 or 2009, they used it since in Brazil in many regions have roads with many mud in some seasons.
That were FWD cars and has an Eaton e-locker that is electro-magnetically actuated.
Its always wonderful when the TFL team return to their Jeep roots! Fabulous!
I am going to purchase a fifth wheel toy hauler with a 15' (180") gaarage. This Renegade Trailhawk is 166.2" long which is prefect. I like going places like Big Bend National Park that has a lot of rugged back-road trails and old mining trails were you need a little higher ground clearance and 4WD. The Little Trailhawk has 8.7' of GC which is about the same as my Subaru Outback had and I had no issues with it off-roading. Thanks for the great review which confirmed what I had already learned about it.
Had a TH with a Teraflex 1.5" lift & KO2'S. Been up Kelly Flats, MSV, T33 & Ironclads in Colorado. With the lift & larger tires had almost 11" of ground clearance.
I test drove a 1.6l turbo renegade with the manual and I still can't stop thinking about how surprisingly awesome it was onroad, but it's cool that they're competent off-road too
I hope you guys take a lot of these vehicles through snow this winter!! i love the offroad videos but in the DC Area, nowhere to take my truck offroad but rather see what vehicles can do in the snow.
Go up around Gettysburg/Fairfield area on the logging trails. It's not far from the App Trail and not bad if you can get on them.
So much in love this little boxy Thing. Bought the 4xe. Totally happy.
Thats it, trading the lifted 4.6 xj NOW! Im SOLD
I hope you’re joking..
NOOOOOO
More Jeep Renegade videos please! It needs more attention!
I'm constantly impressed by the capability of my little renegade sport. The day to day ability and the amount of cargo i can fit with the back seat down takes care of 98 percent of any task. Performs great in the snow. Can't speak for trails though.
I think these jeeps are actually really cool
Taking mine to Moab next month--can't wait.
How did it work out?
Did you make it back alive?
I was just there about a month ago in my trailhawk. It was amazing. Went through fins and things without any scratches. I have a 2in lift and bigger off-road tires. Love it.
BBoyGIJons awesome, I’ve got a 2017 and I’m skeptical about taking it off road in northern AZ. I do need bigger tires though
The Renegade is one my absolute favorite vehicles. It's everything I want and need in a car. Had I not been on a deadline when I bought my Element, I would have bought a used Renegade Trailhawk. I completely love it. Of course, Toyota, if you guys wanna build the FT-4X, I might be persuaded to shift my affection.
Fun little Jeep and affordable too!
I see lots of these out on the roads here in the midwest. Good review guys!
TNitro N breakdown
Affordable? Aren't they about $30k? As one like they are driving in the video? And how about reliability? Think for the price point there are better options at least for off road use.
@@eppyz I got a 2018 renegade sport for 19k brand new. Put a 1.5 lift with some bfg ko2 tires. Gets me thru the snow and to my favorite shooting spot
@@eppyz We bought a Renegade, but it is a Latitude AWD model, fairly loaded with the extra cold weather package. FCA puts straight cash homey on the hood of these. We bought our 2107 in early 2018, $27k list, for under $20k. Right now there are 2018 Trailhawks under $20k out there. If you can stand the lower initial torque of the Tigershark vs the new turbo, that is a hell of a deal.
Reliability: we have had three warranty claims for dumb stuff. One, driver the seat rail attachment broke, nothing dangerous, it was not broke all the way, just making noise. Two claims for somehow some water got into the speaker assembly on the left driver door and caused a short.
I don't see em on the roads, I see them lifted in the air as I pass repair shops
I have both an 18 JK Wrangler, and an 18 BU Renegade. I like them both for what they are, and I understand that they are both totally different vehicles. The wrangler is an off-road vehicle that can go on the road. The Renegade is an on road vehicle that can go off road. Both cross somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, bot neither can completely do what the other does.
It’s good to see what is can do I think it’s good that keep offers levels of off road feel from light to heavyweights I never drove a renegade but I’m definitely about to see what they are about thanks for showing what it can do
I love my Renegade trailhawk. I also have a 97 TJ but the Renegade makes things a little more exciting for me.
Haha, same here, I have a 2017 Renegade Trailhawk and I just bought a 97 TJ for an off road toy this spring, after off roading the Trailhawk twice last year.
We need a Jeep Renegade Trailhawk vs Suzuki Jimny All Grip video. TFL Car and TFL Truck! Please make it happen!
For factory tires and the terrain your in that little truck is awesome.
Finally they make another video about the renegade!!!!
The FCA guy did a great job not answering questions and just sticking to the marketing points.
Great Review! Love my Renegade 👍
I love my 2017 renegade desert hawk!
I'm a delivery driver in Montana and my jeep renegade has been put through the ringer. Trails, rocks, crazy driveways, muddy roads and some hairy mountain climbs. Got hit by a deer, and hit a deer. This thing took it all and still runs like a champ. This one will not be traded except for another renegade trailhawk.
These Renegade Trailhawks are surprisingly capable
Great video guys, I'm a fan here in Brazil. Two things though:
* He said there's no replacement for displacement. And yet, he prefers the 1.3 turbo over the 2.4 because of the low end torque.
* Agree on the part that it's not a hardcore offroader, but why do you always want to have solid axles and low gear transfer case? It's not replacing the Wrangler, the Renegade is a compact crossover, like you said, very capable.
So cheers on Jeep for offering this option, and still mantaining the Wrangler.
I have a Renegade myself and I love it. Very good quality and capability for the price tag.
Best regards!!
People can hate on this all they want but if you go online and look for them you can find them new for around 20k which is 1/3 the price of a gladiator or wrangler and it is still pretty capable not to mention because they have independent suspension it handles better and is way quieter on the road
ill buy one used for like 5k in a year or two. they are fiats and do not hold their value at all. Ford is coming out with a baby bronco. i would spend my money on that
Since when is a wrangler 60 grand? And since when is a gladiator 60 grand?
hellaacapella $53k here In Chicago
Not if you purchase the entry level trim with the soft top and standard transmission
I bought a dawn of justice edition renegade used as a 2nd vehicle...weekend camping trips or trips up north in the snow with my daughter etc (I live in AZ so it's the Harley everyday) well I we went up to Flagstaff the other week and they got hammed with snow ...on the road and off the road that renegade did great...I've had other jeeps and plenty of 4x4 pickups ... I couldn't believe how good that thing did...it does have a 1" lift and Toyo open country tires which have always been great tires ...I wouldn't take it were I'd take a wrangler but I'm definitely not afraid to take it places..just got to have a little common sense....or a buddy with a Wrangell to drag you through if ya can't make it
Everyone keeps calling it the mini or baby jeep but after a quick Google, it's actually bigger than the two door wrangler on all sides. It's the second smallest. And another look across youtube and you can see the lifted ones with mudders doing incredible offroading. I think small minded people are just looking for an excuse to smirk.
Awesome Video... Great job done 👍
I own a 2016 75th Anniversary Jeep Renegade with about 55,000 miles. This is a great little Jeep but reliability has been an issue for us. There have been a couple of recalls already and it burns oil. Many new vehicles today burn oil which is frustrating. I know people who own GM, Ford, Jeep, etc. and each dealership says it's normal to burn 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles. We have also had electrical and AC issues. I do love how well this drives through snow and offroad though. We have taken it on several long road trips and It is nice to have a daily driver vehicle that can do light offroading as well. I just wish it wouldn't burn oil and that we wouldn't have to deal with fixing it so often...
Those little Jeeps are great out of the box!
i really enjoy my 2020 jeep renegade latitude.2.4 engine works fine,i tow my 17ft boat just finethats where the lower gears in the 9spd trans comes in handy.
This car was first developed and released for Brazilian marked equipped with two engines one is a very old Mini Cooper based 1.8 16v I4 and the second and most suitable for this car is 2.0 multiair Turbo Diesel paired with a 9 speed automatic. This should be a option here in US.
Oh, well... I bought a Jeep TrailHawk Renegade, obviously before watching this video. Now, after 4 years, I do still satisfied with it 👍
I'm italian and I have the european version with the 2.0 turbo diesel and 170hp.... I love it! It's a tractor!!! I'm feel pretty good with it
That’s bull crap, that here in the states, we don’t get that engine option! Here it’s a 1.3 turbo or a 2.4 N/A.
@@dapi9225 that's a shame..... Otherwise, the european version of Trailhawk doesn't have the red front towhooks (we have only the rear one). Maybe it is a minor detail, but it a shame... They looks cool on front, but they thinks that those hooks are "dangerous" for pedestrian (what a bullshit!).
I've seen a few of these with "lifts" and winches do some fairly difficult obstacles.
I got a Deserthawk. Mainly for the creature comforts with 4wd because of snow and I have to go to work. I don’t need something bigger so it fits my needs.
Well done Jeep. This Renegade Trailhwk definitely got my attention.
My daughter has a 2017 Renegade Latitude and other than the blinker switch needing to be replaced, it has been a really good vehicle for her so far. Now she only has 14,000 miles on it so time will tell how dependable it is but we just used it to pull a fully loaded 5x8 enclosed U-Haul trailer and it did amazing! We never dropped below 68 miles an hour with the cruise set at 73(Yes, I know you're only supposed to drive 55 in a U-Haul but who does that? lol), and that little 2.4 Tigershark performed well and gave us 20mpg so all in all I'm impressed with it so far. I thought those groaning brakes sounded like Godzilla's roar.
Pretty decent! Nice review guys!👍
Nice job. Fair synopsis of what the Renegade TH is supposed to be.
I would actually love to do a Renegade build. I agree that it doesn't get enough credit. For what it is, it's incredibly capable off road. Definitely needs a couple more inches of lift, bigger tires and all that. Seeing more and more aftermarket support for them
Oh that's present here in Colorado. That Rene market very much exists. I've made it down the hard roads that this video guy only wants to use Wrangler on. But you know what, as an everyday vehicle, I'll take my comfort the Wrangler doesn't have and the 27.5 mpg the Wrangler doesn't have. All the while with a lift and off roading in Colorados mountains.
@@NoJoey Yeah totally! I think a lot of it comes down to how often are you offroading what kinds of terrain are you typically tackling. For what is basically an econo-box, this thing is impressive when the road ain't paved
Dang looked like it was going to flip on that last trail.
Of all the mini sportutes out there this is one of them.
It’s really the only one I’d consider because it’s the only one that’s real. That said, be happy knowing your service writer.
Great video thank you!
Tremendous Video!!
jeep BLD is quite nice traction control system
Did you folks know that all of Jeep's lineup from the beginning of time has one unique feature other than the nameplate. The rear seats are built high so that the passengers can enjoy the view in front.
"It's like your kids you love them a little bit differently" 😆
I have a 2015 renegade trailhawk. It’s a great Sams club Walmart hauler lol. Fits a lot of cargo when back seats are down. I just wish it was more rugged inside. Do away with carpet and fabric please!!! Make it vinyl or something easy to sweep or blow out. Headliner as well. This Jeep is just a pain to vacuum. One major reason I would have liked a wrangler. No other car brand has anything like this Renegade. Which is why I’m sticking with it. I was gonna trade it in for something more reliable like a Toyota but they don’t have anything that fits my lifestyle and needs. It’s either too big or small. This Renegade size is just right!
This car is growing on me more and more
Love 2 c how it does on black bear pass and the other trails around there.
I miss my 2006 Jeep Liberty. Wasn’t perfect but very reliable. And with the right tires great in the snow.
Was it spun out of control and wrecked? Those things had such a short wheel base the ass would fly out in front of you in a second at speeds of 35+. I believe that is why you dont see anymore of them yet they used to be everywhere.
So how does this differ from the 2019? I just got mine two weeks ago and it has the 1.3L turbo and the redesigned interior and what not.
Water crossing with even colored brown water concealing a nice paved road bed.
Wow... now I want a Renegade!
I'll admit is ridiculously funny when my Renegade lifts a leg on uneven terrain. But it gets me where I'm going.
My friend has one of these with 29,000 miles and boy what a clunker.
Anything mopar is done like dog sht
GAMERMIKE52 please. Go back to forza.
My buddy had to have his 2017 renegade's transmission replaced after 6k mikes. Come to find out these things have all kinds of reliability problems. Stay away!
Matt Jozwiak really? What’s wrong with it?
Had mine for 3.5 years, put almost 100,000 miles on it. Only issue I ever had was the thermostat went out.
I love my renegade!
Drove my 1990 Chevy Trailblazer off road in conditions like this. Its all fun until you head home and hose your truck down, pop the hood for a look, crawl underneath and hose down the frame and assess for damage. Skid plates helped but I scraped up the frame and the paint too. Was never able to completely rinse all the mud and muck. That fine silt, sand and water gets into everything, holds moisture, and causes premature wear and even rust. At the time I was a broke college kid and that truck was my daily driver. I'm sure the problems that plagued it later were due to offroading it.
I have a 2015 with a ATP 2 inch lift and eibach pro lift springs and that makes it 11.7 inches of ground clearance. Took it out to moab and ran multiple trails and it did everything also changed tires to atturo trail Blades. Don't knock it till you try a modified one and someone in our group did hells revenge that trip.
In California? I'm in Michigan, not making another long trip like that this year maybe because I'm going back out to Utah
Great video! You should compare the 🧭 Trailhawk and/or the 2.4
Liberty kjs have break lock diffs to mine has a trac lok lsd aswell, and i tbink my tj has the exact same iv not properly looked into it yet but performs exactly the same amd they both 02, but only had tj a week havent had time to look at everything but i aint getting rid of kj i absolutely love the thing its the poor man's wrangler lol it gave me the tastr of a wrangler while i was saving for the tj for a year
It's a setup trail they know their vehicles will do it, others would too. Water crossing like that, that is smooth isn't common in the wild. Boulders hidden or where people got stuck and it drops in another 2-3 foot would be more likely.
I have a 1992 wrangler renegade that is just a regular Jeep that had some new rims put on it and it also has a better engine than the regular wrangler model that was used to make it into the renegade
Oh. You reviewed the 4x4 Trailhawk. Of course it performed well. Try taking a 2WD Longitude off roading. You will be surprised how capable these little Jeeps are.
My 99 Cherokee was 2 wheel and it did pretty well.
As you all probably know by now that I would love to get a truck, especially the ZR2, to get me into places for hunting, fishing, kayaking and camping that my Chevy Cruze just can't go. Well trucks are expensive even with some miles on them and I still owe $2500 on my 133k mile car so I have been looking at the Trailhawk trims of the Renegade, Compass and even the new much needed facelifted Cherokee as well as the Subaru Crosstrek. I pretty much wouldn't be rock crawling or boulder bouncing so I have no need for the extremely EXPENSIVE Wrangler or Gladiator, but most places I would take it down looks like what you all went through with maybe some smaller chunk rock and gravel that having ground clearance in the 8" and up would help. Thanks for sharing this video on the Baby Jeep.
Wranglers are not expensive at all..
@@MrXerxes I have seen the 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk in that green/olive drab color I like with 13k-20k miles on them for $25,000. Not too bad a price. I like the looks of the Compass (a baby GC) Trailhawk, especially in orange, but I know it doesn't have much more interior space that the Renegade.
Thks guys.
I have an XJ with a 2 inch lift, skid plates, and LSD. I always want to see a comparable XJ on these trails so I know whether or not I should be impressed.
Your rig would roll through it at idle almost, might have to step on some for the uphill and teeter titter parts.
I wanted a Wrangler, but couldn’t justify it with any trails that required that level of offroad ability being over 2 hours away and very little free time anyway. Ended up with a Patriot for less than half the price, but better gas mileage, equal comfort, but still able to hit trails harder than a Rav4 can handle. The steel skid plates and aftermarket RRO rock sliders have been worth their weight in gold.
These little Jeeps have their place. Remember, they aren’t trying to be Wranglers, just the “Jeep” of their respective classes. Say what you will, but the Renegade, Compass, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee Trailhawks are easily the most offroad worthy choice in their respective classes.
Snerk. West Coast mud. ROFL! Sandy western mud is mostly solid, compacts easily and has more traction. East Coast mud is high clay content mud which means it is slippery, deforms easily, and tends towards a soupy, pasty morass that creates suction that wants to hold onto your tires. Call us back when you take this thing to the east coast and through a mud bog. We will bring the winch to drag you out.
Look, I like the Renegade. it reminds me of a Suzuki Samurai, and goodness knows those things have done some impressive offroading. (especially once modded) But the Renegade has limited mod capability due to it's unibody + IFS construction. Beyond that it's gutless 4 banger engine with an over-compensating computer means that you can't really expect much of it.
Will it do more than any other SUV in it's class? Without question. Is it something you are going to want to take on an actual trail? (not a pre-fab professionally sculpted "trail park" set up by Jeep.) No.
They're in Michigan though. So what kind of mud is that?