It Has Come To My Attention You Don't All Love BIRDS OF PREY
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Why's the comment so late though lol
It is bad for anyone who likes a movie based on it's gender That bad Like you hated gostbuster for being bad I hope you lean a lesson and not like it Like you people sucks Liking birds of prey because she is a woman and then complaining about gostbuster 2016 is bad
The movie was not great but people blaming sexism is the downfall. But then people say It is always mysogynist. Then people are angry to those people and hate the movie.
I’m a guy and I fucking love this movie. People love to be miserable to follow their agenda.
@@anymarcos2355
No this movie is a agenda & this video is garbage.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 what makes you think that I care? Certainly you do care what people think of this movie. But let me give you a tip. You ain’t shit, and I don’t have to agree with you. I LIKE THIS MOVIE, and no it doesn’t have any political agenda in it. There is just a bunch of women in the screen that’s all.
Calm ur tits
This film shows one particular indignity about the female experience that I rarely see onscreen: that the predators we face in our daily lives are actually pretty pathetic. They are shallow, boring, vapid, cowardly, insecure, ridiculous... and dangerous. Not compelling, not fearsome, just dangerous. And that's life. Women don't get the dignity of facing off against a Joker or a Moriarty or a Hannibal Lecter. We get... f***ing Roman.
Yep... I also read recently how the whole cult like adoration of evil men (real people) as these geniuses is just misguided and false view of pathetic men who got away with way too much for way too long because law enforcement didn't give a shit to catch them, or didn't believe the victims.
Hell, Tedd Bundy was marketed (a serial killer marketed, wow) as this panty dropping charmer but in fact women didn't actually like him much.
It is just that people who WISH to be able to do what those people did, WANT those people to be intelligent, charming, misunderstood as you will- because then in their fantasies, they imagine themselves to be all those things as they brutalize other human beings.
@@stefanmakara373 Perfeclty put. Mind sharing where you read that?
Stefan Makara I hope it’s less “I want to be that brutal man” and more “evil can’t possibly be mundane and unassuming because then it might be hard to stop and we can’t have that now. It must be over the top and obviously wrong.”
Like how people think they know about racism, because they see blatant KKK members touted as villains, but then they completely ignore subtlely racism, because they don’t want to think about how racism is pretty status quo and easy to ignore.
It’s easier to think that serial killers are incredibly charming masterminds than it is to understand that a lot of killers are unassuming, normal people who we could bump into on the street and not even realize. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve seen this sort of “realistic” villain in superhero movies.
Could just be my optimism though, and people totally do just want to project onto big baddies.
These are amazing points about the nature of society’s glorification of villainy and everyone in this comment section should read them 👆🏽
well said! thats exactly how i felt about the male characters in this movie!
as a teen girl, seeing full grown men entirely miss the villainy that was showed all along with Roman really gives me a perspective on how much they either dismiss predatory behaviour or just accept it as the norm because to me, it was clear as day
@LokiTetch the big part that proves my point is Roman stripping down the woman in his club, especially after the girl with the diamond escaped him. He was mad and he took it out on another woman like that, using her as an example of if anyone went against him in any way. Nobody could miss that but other moments I and other women/minorities easily saw portraying Roman's awful intentions was when he tried to dance with Black Canary literally right after that, and she clearly didn't want to. But she had no choice and she knew it, if she denied, he could hurt, assault, traumatize, and even kill her. Also there was a scene where Harley was super drunk and men tried to carry her off in their truck (it's been a bit since I watched the movie, but I know that's the jist of it). That's a massive thing we have to deal with and keep an eye out for too. Women and minorities don't get to deal with flamboyant, cunning, villains like Joker, we gotta deal with the scums of the Earth no one else cares about. We don't even get to beat them in the end, but surviving and portraying the reality meant so much to I and other people watching Birds Of Prey.
@LokiTetch yea exactly, but even though they're not dangerous to men, it just makes me wonder if men are typically able to tell if someone is predatory/dangerous towards women (or another minority group) and from what I see, sometimes they really aren't and that's scary. I completely understand that Roman's a stupid villain, he totally is but he's such a realistic type of stupid. I view it as: Roman himself as a character is ridiculous, his motives are dumb and he has no reason to do some things other than for dramatic flair and to masquerade as a big time Gotham villain for his ego, but what he represents is something evil and real, and I think that's what they were trying to convey with him.
@LokiTetch Then wtf DOES scare men? I could imagine NOT being scared for these girls I thought they were going to die or worse 🤦♀️
Listen to this young woman she's right, many men ARE desensitised to predators
Wow beautifully said. It does seem that way to me too. Like not understanding the difference between “harassment” and “compliment” for one.
Honey, you are a teenager. Stop acting like you are smarter than everyone.
i am so tired with the people complaining that the male characters have no substance because i had to grow up watching movies with 1-2 female characters who were either unrealistic male gaze fuel, evil witches who end up dying anyways or whatever stereotype that demonized women being anything other than pretty. so yes, i am sure they can handle ONE movie that doesn’t give all the cool character traits to men.
That's a very fair statement. And an interesting commentary by the makers of the film if it was intentional.
Also, do the _villains_ need to have substance??? Why do you need to like them so much? The point of the movie is that we _don't_ like them, and so long as their obstacle for the heroes make _some_ narrative sense, so long as the villains abide by what that says about them, they don't need more. Sionis also _did_ have his backstory aired - Harley spit it in his face while calling him stupid. Why do you want to make him feel like some anti-hero all the time???
@@justanawkwardnerd Substance doesn't mean you have to like them it just means you have to understand them. Understanding your character makes them a good character even if they're not a protagonist or a good person you should love to hate them not just hate them, if you're bad guy doesn't have substance you're not all that happy when he loses, at most you get indifferent. A villain without substance is a boring villain which is why the female villains that the original commentator described were so abhorrent
They don't have to be an anti-hero and not everybody wants that in fact I don't think most people want the villain to be an anti-hero then he doesn't serve very well as a villain in most cases and definitely wouldn't fit this movie
@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 Point, but I was more taking it as "likeability," as we had already understood them - they are creepy narcissists on a power trip, and we even got Sionis's motivations and backstories aired out accurately by Harley. I figured that they couldn't really be complaining about "not knowing" these villains, as we DO know them, but about something else, which is why I wrote my comment the way I did. That the "substance" people claimed were lacking was more about qualities they'd want to emulate. I elaborate more on the villains else where, but I didn't feel like doing it here, too, is all.
@@justanawkwardnerd Well that also goes hand-in-hand with something some other people in the comments section have been saying that they don't line up with the comic book counterparts I don't know too much about their comic counterparts but I can understand the frustration although the only time I've seen black mask he was an underwhelming character anyways so🤷🏾♂️ but I still don't think people want to like the villain or emulate him most just think his character was completely altered to fit this movie and they didn't like that
the comments about them not being sexy enough just proves that most straight men have no artistic eye when it comes to what looks good on women. Every one of them are hot as hell in this movie?? this was also the last film I saw in theaters and that's okay with me tbh
This is a dumb Comment.
@@yourmomissougly
No not Manbaby just you're average tiny man.
Also I'm pretty sure I have a point, these movies are just dumb.
i hate incels
Ikr! I was straight up having gay panic over Huntress, who dares calling her unsexy?
@@monkydance2880
I hate misandrist comments made by women & men.
Sionis forcing that woman to strip was one of the most intense and terrifying scenes I have ever seen.
I feel the exact same way, I've watched BOP at least half a dozen times because I love it so much, and yet each time I debate skipping through that scene
yes, halfway through the beginning of that scene it dawned on me "oh it's *that* kind of villain" really well done but also a scene that makes rewatching hard ahaha
it brought me to tears in the theatre, and even the quick clip in this vid made me physically recoil. but hes right, its not something anyone can misconstrue as sexy, it is obviously evil and its awesome for that reason
@@Snow-pw6vw oh yeah I definitely let a couple of tears fall
Ikr, I looked away every time I rewatched it
I'm gonna start writing negative reviews of male-centric superhero movies where men don't show enough skin. Why doesn't captain america take his shirt off at all after the first movie?? winter solider? 2/10.
At least men will know what it feels like.
@empty shogun Yeah, sexualized men is a definite thing, but nobody every talks about it. It's like with the female characters, they _must_ cater to gazes and it's gonna be called out if they don't.
@empty shogun the one fight scene where they talk about captain America's ass is definitely equivalent to the development of the male gaze over the entire history of film
@empty shogun Maybe, but many times when a guy is being objectified in a movie, it's usually what a male director thinks a guy being objectified would look like, and less what an actual objectification of a guy would be like. A good example is the difference of the 1st and 2nd movie of 50 shades of grey (hate the movie, and the book, but it's a good example), it changes from female directors in the first movie, to a male director in the 2nd, and since the main point is the hot rich guy, in the 1st movie he's more objectified, and in the 2nd he's shown more powerful, strong, less shirtless, etc., so it's in a way that men see as good, but not necessarily what women would ogle at.
But he does.....
other men dont think harley looks pretty in this movie?? I think shes beautiful and her having personal style and a variety of outfits she likes makes her look more like a person you could know rather than just a character to me.
I feel like the apparent chaotic look she sported here is very authentic to her characterization + adding a LOT to her attractiveness, since she's picking outfits that genuinely fit her and radiate a portion of her more developed personality.
I saw a video that made a REALLY good point about how Suicide Squad filmed Harley with a male gaze while BoP filmed her with a female gaze. So being filmed with the male gaze makes her more appealing to men since every shot is meant to sexualize her and her body. It's really sad.
It is bad for anyone who likes a movie based on it's gender That bad Like you hated gostbuster for being bad I hope you lean a lesson and not like it Like you people sucks Liking birds of prey because she is a woman and then complaining about gostbuster 2016 is bad
The movie was not great but people blaming sexism is the downfall. But then people say It is always mysogynist. Then people are angry to those people and hate the movie.
You know If you want a good female move makes it not revolve around feminism and don't blame sexism for people hating it 54% of people who saw it where men if they where sexist then they would have not seen It so most critics should not be because they where female but because They did not like it because it was not as good. Don't include feminism unless you want a feminist inspiration movie not a female inspiration movie. I don't hate the move because of that you can like It
Never like or hate a movie based on People gender but the skill Like The People liking birds of prey are hypocrite like they make fun of ghostbuster because they revolve around feminism but they only like bird or prey because of it's gender.
The ghostbuster fanbase is les worst than bird of prey fanbase Harley queen has more famous than ghostbuster Because batman is part of the justice league. At least ghostbuster fans are not hypocrite more of then like then for their artwork which means Southpark was right I should have never mistrust Southpark and pc principal.
You can like birds of prey becuase it was good but not only because of it's gender
@@noviglove8093 Stop copy and pasting into everyone goddamn thread with your gibberish regardless of what people are saying.
there's a reason everyone cosplays as her SS costume instead of her BOP costume, one is sexy and one is ugly
Harley offering Canary a hair tie is the only realistic fight scene I’ve ever witnessed in my 27 years on this planet.
It was Also pretty sexist also.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 the opposite actually. I think it was a nod at all of the female superhero’s having their hair down all the time, when it’s inconvenient
@@DeezNuts-dm1md
Its still sexist why make a whole scene about that??
you would never see a scene where a superheroes junk gets cramped because of his tight outfit, so why do it with women its stereotypical at best, funny how nobody has a issue with this.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 it’s not that deep
@@DeezNuts-dm1md
Its still very cringe worthy.
i really adore harley’s fighting style because it’s what you get when you cross a basic women’s self defense class with an unhinged acrobat. *chefs kiss*
I actually thought the fight scenes was the high point of this movie. Now I get it´s also been a while since the last time I watched one "a la Antigua", with no CGI and mostly practical takes.
right? it adds so much to her character, when I saw the amount of throat jabs it almost immediately made me think of all the womens defense courses I had seen or heard of over the years, adds that reality of her needing to protect herself even before she was harlequin
Ya beat me to it ! Go for the throat or the knees ! Side of the knee especially... my Nana taught me this as a kid !
This is also a great explanation and the first thing I thought when he mentioned her throat punches around 15:10. Throat punching is one of the easiest and most effective self defence moves especially with big weight class differences (Harley fighting these 8ft beefcake gangsters) EDIT: Lol expanded the replies and ppl beat me to it nm
I also loved how they addressed hair getting in your face
Wait you're telling me that people did not find Mary Elizabeth Winstead devastatingly attractive in this movie???
Always.
I know! I feel like more sapphics are attracted to fictional women when they’re actual people than men...
as a gay woman here................ agreed
she's my favorite part of the movie, that ball of rage
No asscrack make pp sad
a lot of men find the villains "not villain-y enough" because most of the shit they do is violence towards women, aka something they cant relate to. The scene where the girl had to undress and dance on the table at gunpoint is so scary and horrible, but men find it boring because they dont think its that bad. They think its boring because there's no evil monologue and there's no blood. Meanwhile every woman watching that could feel what every woman in the scene felt, could *relate* to it, because its something that, sadly, many women experience, or at least similar things.
Yeah Im confused at that why do people not think it's that bad.
Yeah I haven't seen anybody say that that was boring and I can't comprehend as to why they would, any man who doesn't at the very least get uncomfortable seeing that has got to be some kind of predator, incel, or neckbeard
@@protagonist-kunspersona5860
It was Cringe honestly, & the female Charecter only Existed to be Objectified for a Male Villains motivation??
That's stupid.
So it's a Victimhood Narrative okay then.
I find it is those who understand that these actions are horribly disgusting and incredibly realistic who does see the villainy. The men that do find these scenes boring are those who do not understand that these behaviours are terrifying. These men are usually those who have not had conversations with women about men over sexualising them and the dangers that it causes.
Essentially most so called “film critics” have never seen a movie with a female lead that’s presented as an actual person rather than a sexual object. And it shows. A lot.
One day we might have nice things. When our species grows the fuck up.
I didnt hate the movie but it definitely had issues. Not liking a movie doesnt make you a misogynist.
@@seanisgone5413 but not liking it for the the wrong reasons is
Which is the case for most people
Alien, Wonder woman, Kill bill, every episode with ashoka in the clonewars and her upcoming show
@@ayman6733 come now, Wonder Woman? She doesn't wear that skirt for it's defensive advantage.
Yeah, I know it's supposed to have some basis in history, but realistically, she could at least wear leather pants with plating or something to offer some protection.
Yeah, I know she technically doesn't need it, but my point is whoever designed that armour knew what they were doing: titillating.
Tarantino is also some obscure example where a creative genius is accepted and funded by large studios and his work is also successful. Very rare. I watched a review of another work like that that only had 2 out of those 3, and it didn't do so well.
The point is, stuff like that doesn't happen often.
Random men on the internet: These male villains aren't cool or threatening or villainous at all! Boo!
Every woman I've ever met, all of whom who have had interactions with creepy guys: These characters are viscerally horrifying because I know some dude *exactly* like that who did something revolting and dehumanising to me.
I actually heard a someone complaining that the villain was too much for them, over the top misogynistic and thus "unrealistic" apparently, because "no man acts like that", smh
@@ShersterQ I hope the person who said that is a woman who's never had those kinds of experiences in her real life. It would be nice to think there are such women.
@@jimballard1186 I'm so sorry, it was a man and I know him personally.
ive never been as terrified in a movie as I was in that dance club scene where he makes the girl take her clothes off
@@ShersterQ Disappointing, but not surprising. I'm sorry you had to deal with it, and for every similar bit of ignorance you've had to deal with.
Speaking of male gaze, this is the only movie I’ve ever seen wherein everyone ties up their hair for a fight. I had to pause the film and squee over that!
YES! This so much XD
omg THIS
Whoa. No joke, this comment gave me goosebumps. Now I want to give this movie a real shot.
@@christinesilva9040 unus annus
@@jasminesloan5321
Let us remember these last days *cries* It will die but is shall live on in our hearts. Memento Mori
Unus Annus
also i'm DYING to talk about the set design in this movie. it's breathtaking. it's about hands, it's about eyes, power dynamics and the male gaze and public scrutiny and women as scenery, not even mentioning how gorgeous it all is and how fun it is to look at! florencia martin oscar NOW
Everyones mentioning the dance scene but what about girls skin being peeled alive bc she sobbed seeing her parents death? That was beyond f-ed up and in some wicked way "played for the laughs". And people on my screening were laughing. WTF.
Its because black mask is a terrible villain would be much more fun to see him get tortured.
i couldn't watch that scene, but a big difference is that most of us won't have to fear that happenong, while many women have been in situation similar to those of the dancing scene. sexual harassment and assault are real threats that most women actually face and pretty much all fear, so we actually RELATE to it. being hung by the feet and having your head peeled like a banana - not so much
@@chickenx777
Sexual harrassment & assault is a issue everyone faces.
Basically what Chicken Mama said, not many people can relate to the experience of getting kidnapped by a supervillian and tortured but many, many people relate to the feeling of being sexually harrassed, assaulted and dehumanised. Sexual assault affects both men and women but it disproportionately affects women meaning that the target audience of the movie were presented with a situation a majority of them could relate to in some aspect.
While the scene you mentioned is horrible and more lethal, the horror of seeing something that mimics a common trauma the audience knows is more bone chilling. Hope this helped!
what you just described it's an every day in Mexico
bodies of men and women cut off in pieces, burned
it kind of makes you less sensible and when i saw that part of the movie, i was just calm, not impressed as superman would say
obviously not impressed but in a bad way
Men not thinking Messina was threatening in this movie is very interesting and says a lot. He portrayed that “say one wrong thing and you’re going to be sorry” type of feeling abusers give as well as just seeming like a sort of neutral guy until things don’t go his way. He made me the most uncomfortable throughout the movie tbh along side the actual villain. I think he played the role perfectly
@LokiTetch I mean i Kinda also feel like thats in there for a reason. When he had Harley alone and in his control he chose to drag it out instead of contact his boss or just kill her.
@LokiTetch Did we watch the same character? He incapacitated and toyed with the main character of the movie in what's probably the second or third most disturbing scene of the movie. All of the women I know and a good portion of other non-men, including myself, know for a fact that that scene could have easily gone to a MUCH more painful place; and that if we're ever similarly impaired by a similarly sleazy person in a compromising situation, it could happen to us, or worse.
@LokiTetch How is it pathetic for a man to be beaten and killed by women? Sounds like you have some mommy and brain issues. They might intersect here, considering mommy dearest must have held your head beneath the bath water long enough to kill plenty of brain cells for you to make these comments.
He has a realistic appearance too. A skeezy rat man whos a skeezy creep show.
Right?? I was genuinely very scared of him. Like on one hand, is he a vindictive, little prick who will never make it to the top of the food chain but on the OTHER HAND because of all this, he's excessively aggressive, volatile and constantly punches down on anyone who isn't Roman. He's like the boss' son who feels you up by the water cooler just because he knows he can.
22:05 The moment the woman was forced at gunpoint to undress, while she sobs, with other women looking on. I felt sick. I felt dread. After seeing this male villain act like an empty headed, idiot, it hit hard seeing the underlining evil beneath that ridiculously immature exterior.
The men criticising this film, because the villains aren’t “evil enough” for most of the film, saw that scene and were bored to hell. They didn’t see that as horrifying, is disgusting or evil. It wasn’t “exciting”.
I think you are right... Or maybe the ones who didn’t see it as exciting couldn’t empathize with that woman because they never feared getting sexually abused
I’m not a woman however I am non-binary, as a non-binary I personally look androgynous so I am not free from the constant harassment women face. The reason I’m saying this is because I do understand the fear and disgust in this scene, I almost threw up and maybe what makes me even more scared if this was me is that I wouldn’t exactly have the desired private parts the harassers would want. Truly horrendous it’s a daylight villain to me.
also my apologies if there’s any incorrect grammar or something doesn’t make sense, the scene is just disturbing to the point where I can’t focus a bit
@@saso5096
I fear getting abused I'm a man.
I just wanna say that your feeling and fear is valid🖤
Honestly, the reviews for this film make me so mad and do a ridiculously amazing job highlighting exactly why such a film is necessary. As a woman, the scene where Blackmask attacks the lady in the club scared me more than probably any other scene of violence against women in recent film, because it felt so real and wasn't dressed up at all to hide the impact that such an act can have. Any woman who walks faster when a man is walking behind her, or plans escape routes when out at night knows the exact feeling that scene triggered to an intimate degree that men could never understand and for the most part pretend they don't have to. Any girl I talked to who saw this film had the exact same thoughts as me about that scene. Any guy I talked to couldn't even see what the problem was or how that was worse than any other act of violence in the film. That difference in reaction alone scares me, and demonstrates the exact reason why women felt so effected by that scene. It is a truly amazing movie and one of the only pieces of modern media made by women for women, which is such a shame.
Yeah you're Comment is Bs, Men fear going outside by themselves too, Also this Movie is so dumb with it's Feminism making every woman a Victim, even Harley a unhinged lunatic is made into that, I hate this film it's literally Demonizing men.
@@venuslowe
My Problem is "Women being the Heroes"
Yeah I don't see that in this movie heroes of what?? Did they save the world?? Save a kitten or
Save starving kids in africa??
No they just killed black mask that's about it.
There's no real journey,
No good Charecters,
A shit ass Villain,
There's no stakes & Movies like this keep getting made??
Propably because it gets congrulated for having nothing more then it's Feminist agenda who doesn't give a damn about art anymore or storytelling when everything is about Societal issues that people already hear about all the damn day on the news.
First of all that Scene was dumb for many reasons If she likes that's fine, Also I agree sexual assault is awful Disgusting & evil.
But no most men do not discredit women, women are listened too About issues way more then men, men are told they have no issues,
Also both men & women have been abused by each other & the same gender,
Being a Victim isn't Exclusive to being a certain gender.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 they’re antiheroes, like Deadpool? what superhero’s have saved starving kids in africa? batman? ironman? i don’t remember those movies or comics. did you not watch the same movie? Harley had her own character development, getting over the joker and learning to take care of herself. Huntress avenged her families deaths. They all came together in the end to keep Casandra from being murdered and stop Blackmask (who was trying to take over the city and was killing loads of people, if you missed that part because it was a man doing these things). You literally replied to a comment about a woman’s experience with “men have problems too” that’s not listening, that’s trying to put the spotlight onto yourself and trying to discredit a woman. Women are not listened to about issues more than men, that’s such bull shit. This movie doesn’t demonize men, that’s such a stupid take. The bad men in this movie are criminals, if you didn’t notice. There are also good men, like the guy who took Huntress to Sicily and the men that took care of her and trained her. Or Doc who helped Harley, sure he gave up her location but then Harley turned around and was going to do the same to Casandra, proving that this isn’t a “women are better than men” movie. This movie isn’t anti-men, or saying that all men are bad. Or even saying that the main characters are good people. If you seriously think that anything that supports women is immediately against men, then you need to figure out why you think that. Also the “feminist agenda” would also help men. I’ve seen more feminists (male and female) talk about the issues men face then people who are against feminism. if the only time you bring up issues men have is when people are talking about the issues women have, you don’t actually care about men, you just want to shut down women. also, great storytelling is relatable. no one enjoys unrelatable characters, how are you supposed to immerse yourself in a story you can’t understand?
@@venuslowe
Wow you're just proving
How dumb this movie is
First of all I was joking with those things I'm just saying how The Charecters lack any Motivation, Harley Didn't change, If she did she would stop being a Criminal & help people in need but nope she's still a Villain, Also the other Charecters besides Black canary & huntress are So damn forgettable.
Also I love how you're framing me as disliking this movie because it "supports women" also isn't a movie supposed to be Entertainment??
You're literally treating as a vehicle for Feminism that's weird & annoying people need to keep their Politics in CNN & in the real world, because this shit is only making people utterly miserable & less fun, it's why I'm glad The theater's are unavailable,
Even though I loved them how Politcally Obsessed its gotten is a Problem & it's pissing a lot of people. Off.
@@user-cn6px4gr7o
No Feminists nowadays are the Problem they want to Shut down men & anything that makes them mad, & their BS is Completely ruining entertainment, logic & Society in general they annoy me.
This movie's gonna get a huge cult following in a couple of years
No it won't.
Yes. It will.
Yuh , did u see what happened with Jessica's body
I mean not that I'm complaining..
@@theimplications635 Nope.
@@astrotrain85tr70 you're right and it's boring comic book movie no character beyond harley is like the comic versions in anyway, huntress is just punisher as a women, cassandra is pick pocket and not shivas badass daughter, black canary is black mask's employee instead of super powered vigilante renee montaya is good tho
This makes me realize how many boxes BOP checks off for addressing issues people usually complain about in superhero movies. Developed and motivated ensemble characters, check. Grounded cgi-minimal fighting scenes that will actually make you wince, check. Cohesive and fun visual style, check. Humor that's more than just shallow one-liners, check. And yet, people didn't give it a chance.... I wonder why....
If Chris Nolan’s name was on it, it would be “layered and complex” and “rewards repeat viewing”, but because it’s a bunch of women it’s called “messy and confusing”.
I know i didn't give it a second glance purely because of how bad Suicide Squad was. That whole film felt like a meme it was so bad.
I will be going to watch BoP now though.
@@drakinkoren same. I rolled my eyes when it was announced, thinking it would be 90 min of the David Ayer version of Harley purely for fanboy gawking. But i caught it On Demand and loved it!
@@drakinkoren see that and some other things were the problem. Unfortunately, it's related to Suicide Squad. Not to mention after all of the hyper realistic, heavy DC movies like Joker, people didn't want to give it a chance.
I loved this movie. Saw it in theaters and it was a fun time. I wasn't going into the theater expecting a deep emotional film. I wanted a good time and Birds of Prey is nothing if not an actual BOP.
@@alisaurus4224
Me three; I only watched it because I had nothing else to do and I thought I'd pass a few hours watching a horrible Suicide Squad spinoff. Boy howdy was I wrong!
My favorite thing about this movie. Harley has a PhD in psychology and she actually uses it in conversation. If you ever hung out with a bunch of therapists or dated one ( note* don’t date YOUR therapist) they absolutely will psychoanalyze you and the people around you for fun. It’s what they went to school for, it’s what they’re good at and it took 20+ years for Harley to finally do that.
i love how they constantly remind us how harley actually has a brain and an education while in sucide squad the one time we learn she was a psychologist was during her backstory when she falls in love w the joker.
@@mandiesofie9123 sadly I think that’s the norm (or at least for a long time it was the norm) where the psychology angle was just a means to get Harley to interact with the joker. In some cases, they do away with the psychologist angle by implying she slept her way to her PhD so she’s not actually qualified.
So her backstory just being a means to an end in SS is to me just a repeated trend. Why I really love birds of prey.
In the animated series Ivy gets her to analyse herself objectively by describing her own symptoms to her from an outside perspective, which then prompts her to break out of the abusive relationship she has with the Joker. That is also recent, and I'm not sure about earlier appearances, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the only time I've seen her use her PhD as full on post-Joker Harley. I do love that duality between her extremely smart and educated side, and her whimsical lunatic though, I agree.
@@artywolve I feel old when you said the animated series and I’m thinking the 90s one haha. 😂 Yeah the new show also uses her phd like psyching out an insecure teen out of killing her.
The animated series, as good as it is and it’s where she came from and I love it, her psych background in Mad Love was generally just used as a means to get her to the joker vs an extension of her character.
I’m thinking about going for a degree in psychology just to do that.
I think it was CinemaWins who pointed out the differences in the Birds' combat styles. Harley uses a lot of gymnastics and self-defense which makes sense given her character is shown to be an acrobat. Canary uses a lot of kicking, which could be because she's shown to take a lot of punches and kicking is an easy way to take someone out at a distance, likely taekwondo. Montoya hits things with her baton and uses her gun, things she probably learned in the police force. And Huntress uses the space around her along with her crossbow, using her assassin training. Watching them fight together is really fun because you can follow the progress of everyone individually and they don't blur together into a series of random punches.
I saw a reviewer who said that "everyone fights the same, always kicking" and it felt like they hadn't even seen the movie
When Harley fights aliens and tough guys in revealing ass-showin' outfits - everyone cheers.
But when she does it in a baggy and comfortable outfit - everyone hates it.
luckily not everyone. the audience is simply divided to those who either love the film or hate it and those who hate it like to be annoyingly noisy
Make gaze is boss.
@@XmarmeladyX no its because the movie is hot trash.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 you are embarrassing yourself..
@@RandomSwiftie13
How exactly am I doing that??
All I'm doing is calling out nonsense.
I didn’t understand why people didn’t like the men in this movie until he pointed out what the reviewer said. These men don’t appear to be villains to YOU until the end. Apparently their predatory behavior isn’t something you even picked up on. As a person who can be victimized by them I recognize how dangerous they were from the beginning and so I was confused why others didn’t. Roman and his army aren’t scary but what terrified me was him making black canary dance with him when she’s clearly in distress. It’s even more horrifying to consider that these reviewers may view Victor and Roman’s behavior as in a way normal.
Yes! I found the men scary right away, but then, I am a woman.
@@disgruntledmoderate5331 yea it’s crazy that being a woman has such such an effect on how you interact with media. We don’t consider that our perspective would be different if we were men.
Roman forced a girl to strip in public at knifepoint! How is that NOT terrifying?
I'm a female, but I found Black Mask to be a bitchy, petulant child. I wasn't scared of him, in the slightest. And Zsazs was done better in Gotham.
To be fair, I guess, I've learned I'm atypical in most respects.
I was honestly confused when I heard the critique "he wasn't a villain for the first 75 minutes of the movie!" Wasn't he the villain for the _entire_ movie though??? What on earth did they mean? Was the stuff he did throughout the film not evil enough or???
a cute guy unabashedly rhapsodizing about a comic book movie with feminist themes, making what I'm pretty sure was a contrapoints reference, thinks a male crop top is going to scare me away? not on my watch
great video mate
In fact, I'm gonna suscribe!
ohh I missed the ContraPoints ref
im gonna be really honest here, that part of the video made me sit up a lil you know?
All the people complaining about how "she's not original as the comics and the shows" prolly haven't read or saw them because this movie bodies EXACTLY her personality to PERFECTION.
Really? Did Harley really get so easily over Joker despite him abusing her physically and mentally for such a long time? Or that somehow Cassandra Cain is just a random fat girl and not a trained assassin from birth? Or that black mask doesn't wear his mask at all because actor ego is again between accurate depiction. Why do they even bother portraying dc characters if they don't even depict them slightly accurate. Also they don't even use the birds of prey in the birds of prey movie. A lot less people had less problems with it if they just called it a harley quinn because the birds of prey don't show up and harley quinn was only twice in their comics when Cassandra Cain beat her up.
@@laisphinto6372 you sir are correct
@@laisphinto6372 These are character setting and not character personality. Harley in the comics have several interpretations, however, the movie bodies Harley's love for interaction. And Harley DIDN'T get Joker easily, she made ALL her mistakes because she can't get over Joker.
No you people dont read comics do you?? I doubt you're real fans.
As someone who has read a lot of Harley comics, this movie gave me HUGE Volume 3 (2016) vibes. Harley just trying to live her life and making friends in a hostile world. Volume 3 is my favorite Harley comic by a lot so its so great to see its influence in the movie
I went to see this movie with five women from work. The general consensus was that it was such an incredibly fun time that none of us, including the one who normally likes to dissect movies to tiny pieces, wanted critically analyse it immediately.
I then went to see it another three times by myself- my second favourite time was when it was me and a theatre largely full of like middle aged to elderly women- pretty decent number of people for like a Tuesday matinee. The line "He seems like a jerk" after Harley's effusive description of the Joker received one of the largest laughs I've ever heard in a theatre.
That sounds like a great moment! I wish I could've been there haha
Yall have good taste keep it up
@@morriganbermejo4042 Lmao? Most of the women are deeply flawed in it too. Sorry the main characters happen to be women.
@@SandmanLibrary
No the women were all perfect &
The men were all bad & sexist morons who get killed, nuff said.
@@msk-qp6fn
Terrible taste you mean.
The throat jabs are also a realistic move for someone of her stature. She wouldn't do well to punch people in the face, and a slap would sting rather than knock someone out. Self-defence classes teach people - especially small women - that throat jabs are a safe bet in harming an attacker. The leg-breaks are great too. Normally action sequences are about punches or pushing a superhuman into a building (Avengers, Superman) but most people can't quite imagine how painful it is. Seeing legs break and change into disgusting shapes is much wince-inducing because everyone can imagine that happening in real life, even if by accident.
I loved how Harley used gymnastics moves in her fighting, and a more flowing style between moves that pulled the men off balance instead of standing toe to toe and winning by waif-fu.
Every part of this movie was made for women and it shows! It’s not perfect but I really enjoyed this movie.
LoL telling somebody weaker to attack somebody stronger that most likely is doing illegal shit for years. Is worst thing imaginable.
Self defense in actually dangerous situation starts and ends at who can run the fastest. Unless somebody is some MMA fighter or something.
If it would be so easy to randomly damage humans in fight all fighters in MMA and similar low-rules as well no-rules fights thingies would be doing it.
@@CzornyLisek the reason they teach throat jabs and eye gouges in self-defense classes is so you can gain a little more time to run away, or to distract an assailant so you can break their grip on you. Women are not being taught to attack large men, unless there is no other option.
@@CzornyLisek no one's telling small, underprepared women to knock-out strong, criminal men in unexpected situations. The whole point of self defense techniques is to 1. get rid of your attacker's hold and 2. do just enough harm to leave them behind when running away, even if just by a few seconds.
And whats the other option anyway? If your attacker's holding you you should just let them keep going? Not try to defend yourself at all?
people who think huntress wasn't hot: she wasn't designed for YOU she was designed for the lesbians who were turned gay by mary elizabeth winstead in scott pilgrim vs the world (2010)
this is a callout and i do not appreciate it
Sorry but she wasn't made for anyone, including gays...
@@WinstonPoptart dude are you even gay?
@Alex zees Huntress isn't lesbian...
THANK YOU!
First of all: Amazing video. Im actually bitter about how under-appreciated this movie is. Second of all: *where the hell did you find those overalls, i need them in my life*
They were selling the hand painted shorts and that shirt that says Harley Quinn on it at Hot Topic! I think the overalls might have also been part of that collection
I usually can’t sit through fight scenes, I get bored and just skip them usually, but with birds of prey I loved all of them. I mean yeah they have their flaws, but they are so fascinating it makes my eyes glued
I really loved the choreography of the fight scenes as well, they felt fun and fluid
God bless Chad Stahelski
I didn't realise that some people didn't find the villains in this movie 'villainy' enough and honestly, I find that really disturbing
I straight up couldn't watch that scene in the bar because his actions were so disgusting and yet felt so real
It wasn't "I'm gonna destroy the world" but it was something that, sadly, a lot of people share similar experiences to and I love that it wasn't glorified or painted as cool, he just seemed like a cruel psycho and that's exactly what he is
Exactly..... I mean isn't the same factor make us hate umbridge much more than Voldemort. It's because we can see her in real world, in our lives
I also found that notion shocking. Like wasn't everybody uncomfortable and disgusted by that scene??
I don't think that they're not villany, but that they feel one-dimensional, i know that the scene where he makes a girl dance in a table and force the guy next to her to rip her dress can be pretty strong, but at last, it doesn't change anything in the rest of the movie (at least for me), that could have been a good plot point to develope him into a better villain, and give him some kind of reason of why he want's the diamond(if i can recal, his only reason was because of power, but why he wanted that power is what i'm reffering to), but it's just not used
@@tobiaslarosa8896 what do you mean, why does he want power? It's power. Everyone wants it in one way or another. Also, it does explain why he wants it, including in this video - he was abandoned and ignored by his father and he wants to prove himself. And he's a narcissist with no regard for human beings, which is exactly what that scene is supposed to show.
@@linasayshush oh, i didn't remember that, well, thanks for helpping me understand a bit more the character
the whole 'tHE GiRLS aREn'T sEXy' argument is so funny to me, because do you know how many wlw found those girls hot? Like? We're so used to this notion that if a girl isn't seen in the stereotypical male-gaze she isn't sexy but like... that's a pile of horsecrap. Also, thank you so much for this video, BOP needs more love!
Ikr, some men just don’t get it lol
Waaaaa Waaaaa harley isn't sexualised and margot isn't uncomfortable Waaaaa Waaaaa
Exactly! I would have Margot Robbie in overalls step on me any day. She’s plenty attractive without being overtly sexualized.
I actually found harley more attractive in her costumes in this movie and BOY was I gay for the huntress who hardly showed skin 😂
@@user-vt1zr9fo2c YES, Huntress was my Gay Awakening xdxd
I loved this movie but I have kind of a track record of liking bad movies and I have just accepted it so when people said they didn't like it I was like, "Okay, I guess this is just one of those times," but I feel so validated by this review that I am rethinking my entire "I just like bad movies" thing. So thank you.
This movie felt like a gush of fresh air and I will defend it to my last breath.
The throat jab thing is a reference to female self defense (whether intentional or not). When we're 12 and being told for the first time, in health class, that 1 out of 3 of us would be sexually assaulted by the age of 18. In fact, at that age a significant percentage of had probably already experienced sexual assault, if not harassment. At 12. Often, at this point, a self defense expert is brought in to teach us a few moves. This throat move is usually one of them.
Yooo, for real?! Thats wild
For me I wasn't even five yet. :)
@@fuzzybuzzy3159 I don’t remember how old I was but I was in nursery
@@fuzzybuzzy3159 I was ten :/ if only adults would've thought me confidence and self defence. I wouldn't have still have to talk to a therapist over a decade later
I was never taught this - when I looked for self defense classes in my area I could never found any and I think that's so fucking weird in a culture where we're bombarded with messages about watching our drinks, send a picture of your dates license plate to friends/tell them where you are, google a new partner to find out if they've been convicted of a violent crime, don't be out late at night by yourself... Ugh lol
Also, can I say as a bisexual woman, I found all the women in this show incredibly attractive and well dressed. Anyone who doesn't believe that doesn't understand comfortable can be sexy too.
(And before you all come for me, I said women, not girls, and Cassandra Cain is a teen so there's no underage shit going on here).
I was gazing at Huntress with heart eyes during most of her scenes. Her outfit is incredible and I loved her humor and awkwardness
@@mariongivhan4574 Yes it was hilarious! And I was absolutely simping for Harley in the whole movie, I absolutely want that wardrobe along with that confidence and fighting skills!
i adore margo robbie sm so the whole movie i was kind of just staring at harley. she looked so good even if she was a mess
or another perspective: they are not attracted to women and dont care about clothes like some loser
@@mariongivhan4574 I died when I realized that it was Ramona Flowers at the end because damn, guess my taste hasn't changed at all...
11:10 the real punchline to this scene is, when the agent reveals his card with the same magic trick in his appearance in Wandavision
WAIT I DIDN'T FUCKING NOTICE THAT THAT'S SO FUCKING COOL
"I'm convinced if someone like Chris Nolan did this there'd already be a million videos about this." So many languages to choose from and you chose to speak facts
When Harley in Birds of Prey fought all the people in the police station it was "Unrealistic" (Even though this is DC where realism shouldn't be in the question) but in James Gunns Suicide Squad when she fought all those people it was called "Artistic" and "Creative" 😒
@@bratzbabe187 EXACTLY!!!
You’ve always been a man of taste lol I hate the HATE this movie gets
Well, if it was a good movie, it might not get hate
@@VulcanGray Well that's objectively untrue. I know all your friends and all the TH-camrs who you take your cues from said that it was single worst thing to happen in all cinema, but it just isn't.
@@VulcanGray “might” not get hate. Cause everything gets hated on, whether it’s good or bad, you would be hard pressed to find a show or film without at least ONE bad review.
@Glenna Smith oh sorry, must have misread it 😅
@@dildonius Okay, fine, I'll become the begrudging recipient of your ire. I don't this movie, here's why:
1.Harley never displays any agency of her own, coasting of her ex's reputation and only taking action when forced to, this could be interesting except that she shows no character growth
2.They took Harley 2 (from the comics) and gave her the superficial characteristics of Harley 1 (name, origin story, hyenas) while retaining the core character of Harley 2 (dependent, superficial, unintelligent, useless). In addition, they kept Harley 2's costume, and in a movie from a clearly feminist perspective, it seems weird that the only superficial characteristic that comes from Harley 2 is the one that makes her look appealing to men.
3.The plot was slow. Like, really slow, like, the title characters only come together at the very end of the movie slow, you can do this well, they didn't.
4.The depiction of sadomasochism in the villan/assistant dynamic and it's implicit commentary on the sadomasochism in gay culture is particularly worrying, and a very sensitive issue to just bring up and use haplessly. I'm not going to comment on this further, because I'm not familiar enough with the wider gay culture to determine how offensive or insensitive this is, but suffice to say, I think there is definitely some fucky shit going on there.
5. The police station scene. The whole fucking thing. It was so bad, there was no point to it, they could've done a million other (read: better) things from a writing perspective and from a directing perspective, it just feels like a needless attempt at capitalization on the recent success of R rated superhero movies.
6.This is gonna be it cause I'm tired, but there are so many needless social issues just thrown in, black canary HAS to be in an abusive relationship with a pimp, Montoya HAS to be suppressed by the misogynist police dept, and the young thief HAS to be homeless and orphaned. And the movie doesn't even send a message to empower these groups directly or tell society how to better treat them, it just throws them in and says "there's you're one-dimensional fictional analogue, now fuck you and pay me". Tackling too many social issues can kill movies with actually good writers and directors, but in this? Poor piece of shit never had a chance.
There are movies that do this right. Wanna talk about the suppression of women by authority figures? Try the VVitch, societal messages influencing men to abuse women? Better Watch Out (sorry that a lot of these are horror movies, I've been on a bit of a binge recently. I literally know a single gay furry porn comic that explores homelessness, abusive relationship dynamics, pimping/prostitution, and mental illness better than this movie, and that's not an exaggeration or distortion of the truth whatsoever.
You're allowed to like this movie, I don't care, but the social change that it purports to want to effect is pushed backwards by its mere existence and success.
I love Birds of Prey. Most people didn't get it and the fanboys lost their fckin minds 'cause how dare Harley Quinn not have her ass hanging out! So dumb. A sequel would be great but I'm not holding my breath.
No, the movie sucked
@@WinstonPoptart No, it didn't.
There's rumors of a Birds of Prey 2 with Poison Ivy and Barbara Gordon's Oracle joining in the mix. Not so sure about its relevancy since the info I saw came from CBR but it's been said that Margot wanted Harlivy to grace the screen so...maybe.
@@camrolls3144 yeah gotham city sirens supposedly hope they do i love this movie. For me it was funny i love the action and how it was a bit gory with the face peeling i just though it made roman more sinister and funny. And something about seeing women kick guys ass for once is fun. Im not feminist dont even make that comment and love male lead movies too (winter soldier one of my faves) i just find it more entertaining
@@camrolls3144 we really need another Poison Ivy!
(I am probably super late to this) I loved how multiple times Harley's PHD is brought up and how she acts like a doctor in some moments. I know it is small but I think it does a big thing about showing more of who Harley is outside of the Joker. Now that he is gone she can truly be herself (to a point), and it shows that she is really an intelligent person who just got fucked in the head by some really bad guys.
She's an incredibly incompetent and corrupt failure of a doctor though. She gave her violently insane patient a machine gun cause she wanted to have sex with him.
@@andyrobin7196 Yes but through these types of actions we see someone that Harley could have been.
Okay, but Jimmy Woo really did learn the card trick and we all know that now.
In hindsight he chose the worst example of a joke to dunk on cuz that setup and payoff is brilliant post WanadaVision.
lol he got unlucky to out of every scene to choose this one but to be fair who could've known there was gonna be a payoff 6 years later? 😭
Wu*****
Man, dude shouldn’t have touched Jimmy Woo, the most wholesome man in the entire MCU.
But this does go to his point about delayed pay-off of a joke.
Hold on. Harley’s outfit unironically looks good on you.
Rolled up sleeves and all lololol
I actually agree with ya
and it has pockets!!!!
my gay brain shut down im just saying like- hes very attractive and i cant handle it😳
@@salemsmith7085 I'm sure you will be fine :3
I really hadn’t realized how sexual Harley’s outfit was in suicide squad until you showed a clip of it. Honestly how were we the audience meant to believe you could fight in basically underwear,fishnets,heeled boots, and a thin ass shirt? Her outfit in Birds of Prey looks like something she’d actually have in her wardrobe. A clash of bright colors that don’t really look good on anyone BUT her. Sure she still shows skin, but it looks more as if she just did it because she’s confident and comfortable other then it feeling like she was forced to. She isn’t just there for sexualizing like in Sucide Squad, because let’s face it. That’s all she was meant for. They didn’t care about dialogue or story, they just needed a comedic relief hot woman to flaunt around in underwear and lose a lover only to get rescued.
Edit: There are some idiots in the comments who find no problem with her outfit, so I implore everyone to not interact with them. They only want attention so they’ll @ you with a stupid response. So trust me, unless you’re bored don’t entertain them 🖤
I saw an Instagram post once saying in the first movie she was dressed by/for the male gaze; push-up bra, t-shirt cut to show her body, "sexy" pigtails that frame her face.. And in this movie you can clearly see that she is on her own now; the messy self-cut fringe, fun clothes
NO TRUER WORDS HAVE BEEN SAID 💖
@@lara_xy Maybe the film industry has FINALLY discovered the concept of and decided to cater to the virtually Mysterious and almost mythical ✨Female Gaze✨ ????
@@shreyarishi2720 Yesss, the female gaze was experimented with a lot more over 2020, especially with period drama pieces like the Jane Austen remakes. So the focus is more on sensual things like hands and eye contact, and the idea of romance more than just plain sexualisation of men and women.
@@cece2859 exactly and it's so strange that it took us so long to realise the existence of 50% of the population of the world but it's fine, I think we are only going to move forward with this and honestly just imagine how many new things this opens up as an artist for everyone... As our mindsets and consumption of art shifts and becomes more inclusive 💖🤗
I genuinely don't get it... This film was truly the best realized and best directed dc movie in decades... But fanboys will be fanboys.... and dislike it coz it doesn't appeal to their problematic male gaze. Inc . People can be so tasteless
it had nothing to do with male gaze, the movie openly hated men and portrayed all of them negatively, of course men arent going to like a movie that doesnt represent them in any way other than showing them to be awful
@@andyrobin7196 okay so? We can only have female degenerates or male degenerates only to male characters. Thats bullshit
@@DeadPizza so a movie that portrays one gender exclusively negatively and one gender exclusively positively is a sexist movie. Can you even imagine this movie with the genders flipped? It would be called the most misogynist woman-hating movie of all time right?
I actually watched this movie with a friend who happened to be gay. I was straight, but we just wanted to see a fun movie. I think it should’ve been advertised better since I didn’t even realize it was about Harley Quinn until it had released in theaters, and the numerous rant videos denouncing “Birds of prey and whatever they decided to do with this title with Harley Quinn”. It was kind of weird to me at first, but seeing Harley readjust, adapt, and recover with the help of friends and fortunate circumstances was really fun to watch, with spotty acrobatics that might or might not impress current reviewers was refreshing to see for me, instead of flying guys throwing each other through buildings or Nano suits battling magicians, just seeing Harley slam a guy with her bats and snapping their legs was more impactful to me, since I can comprehend that pain instead of seeing a scene like “X-men Apocalypse” where the villains getting...his mind beat up? I really liked it, I didn’t understand why it still has so many haters.
Lmaoooo his mind beat up lollll
@@betty6785 Yeah dumbest fight scene in the X-men series in my humble opinion
Birds of prey was just garbage dude I'm not a x-men fan but theres definitely more effort in those movies then this shitshow.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 dude, we get it, you didn't like, can't you move on?
@@carolinapriano4657
I'll move on when people stop making awful superhero films that pander to weirdos, & make something good.
It's kind of heartbreaking to see all the reviewers be like "omg eww it's just another feminist movie with a hint of DC." And I'm here like, "You don't fucking get it, do ya?" BvS did better than this and all I can think of is how sexist this all looks. Like men can cough up any stupid trash and it'd still be above women who are actually trying to fix the whole franchise (and doing a great job at it). And people who act like "oh it's not about Feminism!" need to start seeing this movie beyond reviews like "It's a stupid feminist movie" or "the feminist agenda in this movie ruined the whole watching experience."
Umm....BvS made more money because it was supposed to be DC's civil war. Two of the most iconic characters facing off against each. Llus a bonus appearance from Wonder Woman. Compared too Harley Quinn running around with a bunch of characters that are barely known by general public.
You don’t think it has something to do with the fact that it’s name includes the two most known superheroes ever and literally nobody knows what birds of prey is except comic books fans from 80’s/90’s? Honestly how many women in your circle read comic books growing up? The sexism was already there, making a movie that was kinda bound to fail when talking about male gaze to promote a beautiful breakup movie. It’s like talking about steamboats when promoting Titanic.
I love how "actual problems 50% of the population faces" is "feminist agenda", but "unrealistic portrayals of toxic masculinity" is supposed to be somehow free of any ideology
@@kaingates you aré like that guy who justified excluding female characters saying the fans of the franchise aré 99% boys.
I'm pretty sure girls fans of Transformers aré more than the 1%. Same with comics.
But they couldn't show their interest freely.
@@Harleyxjokerforever not to mention BVS came out at a time when the DC film universe wasn't as devisive as it is today, and the biggest criticism of the film before BVS was just that Superman kills at the end of his movie. A
As a smallish girl who had physical altercations with bigger males, I definitely learned the value of a throat jab and used it as a go-to. It requires almost no strength, doesn't hurt you, and can often be done when you don't have much room because you're being moderately restrained. It's kind of like a nut tap that is easier to pull off.
That was what I was thinking. Also it shows for me that they thought about the fight scene well. Harley isn't physicly as strong as the men she is fighting and she is fighting like it. Love it when movie makers actually think about how things would work realisticly.
It is a common self-defense technique that's really important.
Exactly! And for all the people that are like, go for the nuts! Guys guard that area damn near instinctively since childhood. Their neck area? Not so much.
Holy sh*t what kind of life are you going through? I'm glad you're still alive.
@@halfbloodprincess989 Haha. Now that I'm older I look back some times and realize "Welp. I guess that wasn't normal."
Tell a man your favorite movie is birds of prey on a first date. His reaction will tell you all you need to know 😙
Same with Captain Marvel. Ooh! & that your favorite video game is The Last Of Us Part 2. Either of those will probably give you the same reaction.
Edit: Almost forgot The Last Jedi.
@@TeresaKinsley OMG yeah I always take a guy who doesn't like Captain Marvel and when asked for a reason they go silent as a big red flag.
@@TeresaKinsley I dunno because those are terrible games or movies?? That are filled with a aggressive anti-Male agenda?? honestly you people are so stupid smh.
@@RandomSwiftie13
Because its 3rd wave Feminist nonsense & I hate what it has turned into, I'm all for women having rights doing whatever they want & being there own woman but I'm not for misandrist crap & making movies to hate on men, like CM & birds of prey did I'll vote with my wallet & if I sense any bullshit agenda I'll spend my money elsewhere.
What??
That he doesn't want to be hated on because hes male??
That's what the people cathy yan & the people who wrote this trainwreck were selling honestly any self respecting guy will hate this piece if shit, & also women hated it too & didn't support it it's a box office flop it rightly deserves too.
"certain reviewers want the male characters to be dangerous in a way that'd be Fun To Emulate" wow fucking scathing insight. 👍👍👍
Yet another female-led movie with a female director and female producers getting shit all over for not doing what all the male-led movies did. My partner and I had an amazing time watching this in the cinema, it was the last thing we saw before lockdown and the fantabulousness was much needed. Also, THANK YOU for putting to bed this ridiculous notion that narration is inherently bad - it gets parrotted by so MANY critics.
Right! The entirety of Goodfellas is narrated and that doesn’t bother the filmbros.
@@alaskanwave idk is that the same. Goodfellas had an in plot reason for why there was narration
@@MrRandomerz as if harley’s entire character doesn’t allow her to be narrator of her own story
@@mariebunn45 still doesn’t make it any less lazy. It’s lazy when dead pool does it as well and again not used in the same way Goodfellas was
@@MrRandomerz It’s not lazy lol it’s a storytelling technique that people *often* use due to laziness. But it’s not always lazy and still a reliable technique. And having experience writing unreliable narrators I can say it’s not anywhere near lazy-they made their jobs harder actually.
I love how basically all of the reviews are just men being disappointed that this movie didn't have the male gaze all over it
No they wanted a good movie.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I feel like I've seen you before
@@hamiltonians7235
I'm from the future.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 no they were mad about harley not being sexualized
@@euuda8267 No They & Me got mad because of Idiots screaming to the universe that they were Diverting this So called "Male gaze" also why is women being Sexualized a bad thing??
Male Heroes are like that all the time, funny how people bare okay with men being Sexualized like there's nothing Wrong with that but if it's a woman how DARE you!!!!
Imo this movie has the best music. That whole album is filled with banger after banger after banger. And evey song represent the movie so fkin well.
I _adore_ the entire soundtrack. 10/10 an absolute banger
The best thing about it is that some songs and artist represents Harley's personality. In Diamonds, Megan thee Stallion represents Harley's tough side while Normani represents her soft side
And not in the clunky “HERE’s a song you like and HERE’s a song you like and HERE’s a song you like” way Suicide Squad did. While the songs are good as a playlist, that soundtrack was so jarring in the film
Me and a bunch of my friends (all male) went out to see this in theaters. We all had a blast. These are the comic book movies I look forward to. Ones with directors clear vision and passion.
same, my homeboy and I were having a blast watching this shit
It was trash lol
@@gondar6181 compared to the corporate slop that the MCU has been making, it’s a godsend.
Every time I see a male content creator with some understanding of misogyny just gives me a little more of a will to live
Cringe
how so 🧍♂️
@@hotjuices2 because I'm not buying this social justice Nonsense it's annoying.
@@elongatedmanforever1252
Go cry about it, manlet
@@mrpresident1232 Lmao I will When this movie gets forgotten like the trash can it is.
fun fact: throat jabs are often taught to women as self-defense. so it might be that she picked that up on the way :)
Interesting
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Literally one of the first things I was taught in self defense. If you can get in a nice jab to the throat, you're attacker will be too busy trying to breathe so you can get away. Very effective.
That's exactly what I thought when that was pointed out!
It's interesting how many of the women who saw this video noticed that more than the men, oh wait, women predominantly are more in need of self defense than men! How did I forget that basic fact lol 😂😂
P.S. no shade on you, just radiating negative vibes in general because of some previous dumb ignorant comments I read above.
I thought the same thing!! I thought he was gonna mention that, but then started talking about it as a metaphor 😅😅
I have tried and failed horribly to do physical activities trying to look "sexy". In fact, some outfits outside of details are the same thing. On one of my first hiking trips I wore platform heels, a crop top, shorts shorter than my wrist at my waist and knee-high socks and it SUCKED. I wanted to go home the whole time. But when I shot a gun in a crop top, some baggy overalls, and sneakers I felt so fucking powerful. Me and Harley Quinn have similar fashion senses and I like seeing that our fashion sort of changed around the same time.
I have to ask, why on earth would you go *hiking* in PLATFORM HEELS!?
Going hiking in heels sounds like it would suck ass, I can barely walk normally in these things. How did you not die?
Wtf are you even talking about??
Ugh, 2 years later and this video is still so fucking good. Birds of Prey is one of my favorite movies ever, it feels like it was made for me, it's so perfect; and you sum up so many of my favorite things about it
When geek boys say "the feminist agenda" what they actually mean is "any women in power that wasn't created to please me" and that's telling
Ah yes, their agenda to be treated like people
Edit: wrong their
Don’t sugarcoat your words. Those “geek boys” are incels.
What a soy boy
shhh you will summon them
Couldn't have said it better, litertally the only lame combat they come up with is "stupid feminists" like grow up will ya 🙄
The greatest irony of this movie is that men lament how "Harley isn't sexy anymore". Shows again that men have no fucking clue about sexy when it jumps in their faces.
Seriously, all the women in this movie look like damn snacks and men give it bad reviews because Margot Robbie doesn't wear a push up anymore. Unbelievable.
Margot Robbie understood Harley Quinn and that is showcased in this movie. I want her teaming up with Poison Ivy next (and for them to get married at the end). It's already canon that she does so please let me see it. I wanna see more movies with happy ends where women end up with someone they actually have a reason to like.
Also "yes, it has pockets" is the best line in this whole video and I giggled for about 7 minutes afterwards :) It felt like a gift just for me, thank you.
Right? Jurnie Smollet in that crop top thing was ssssmokin’.
I was so attracted to all the women in this movie and I was honestly dumbfounded by the straight men who were complaining about their supposed lack of fuck-ability.
Right! All the women in this movie were extremely sexy, more so because there was intention behind it, they weren't just presented as pieces of meat with a push-up bra.
Also, Huntress could step on me
give us the gotham city sirens we DESERVE hell yeah!
Speaking as a red-blooded cishet male who's straight enough to use as a ruler, any het man who looks at the ladies in this film and doesn't think they're hot (with the exception of Cassie Cain who is like, what, 13?) are blind, deaf, and most probably also dead.
That said, I ~think~ that BoP might get a sequel. As I recall, it came out right on the cusp of the 'rona- and making $200 mil right before everything went to hell would be a good sign to greenlight a sequel, at least by my lights. That said, even if there was a Harlivy-themed sequel, we sadly wouldn't be seeing it for a long while. At least we've got the cartoon to tide us over, I guess.
This my 5th watch of this video. I'm so happy to see a video praising birds of prey in a way that isn't half-assed or condescending. This video is also the one that led me to this channel.
This movie bombed because its terrible & agenda driven.
I cried when she lost her sandwhich cause I can relate so much
I literally just laughed
Cus it's supposed to be a joke
Not a scene with depth
Ya'll that over look that scene are the exact opposite of fans trying to justifiy the Martha scene
SAME
@@adolfogarzachaires394 it's the first movie I've ever cried about lossing a sandwich is a very depth screen
@@laralloyd7648 i get it
I'm sorry for Your loss
I might been rude our first encounter
But since then, i had a character development and 3 arcs
The fact that no one is bringing up that he looks like Ewan McGregor but still dressed like Harley is disappointing. And on the topic of Harley's clothing, something else I love about her outfits is that they're all about HER. She wears tacky sequins and glitter because she likes them, Margot Robbie even compared her to a magpie being attracted to shiny things. And the shirt that has her name on it feels like a response to having her be branded by the Joker in Suicide Squad. Her jacket literally said "Property of Joker" her choker had her nickname for him, "Puddin". Both are gone and she even changes her "puddin" tattoo to "Pudding cups" in the opening. It's one of the few times we've seen a female character reclaim her identity as part of therapy after a breakup. I can't even think of any examples where this has happened and it wasn't a) limited to one short montage or b) set up so the female protagonist can have a new love interest later in the movie. Birds of Prey does neither of these.
"but still dressed like Harley is disappointing" His appearance is one of the best things about this video!! I *love* to see men casually cosplaying female characters, and he looks amazing
@@p0lyxena pretty sure they meant the fact that nobody was talking about him dressing up was what was disappointing.
@@katherinemorelle7115 Oooops no wonder that sentence didn't look right when i was reading it... sorry OP, we're in total agreement
im a bi girl with adhd who dresses exactly like harley half the time they fucking nailed the outfits in this movie
and I fucking love every minute of that movie XD
I loved the scene where Roman strips the woman, not because I’m psychotic or anything it was disgusting, but the tone turned awkward and nervous and sinister as he yelled at her and her mood along with the people she was with shifted. There are some movies where the tone doesn’t shift, it’s serious but it isn’t from her perspective like this one it’s from his or from someone with him.
It’s scary that the scene doesn’t always shift in other movies. Like it’s filmed to be almost enjoyed... horrible
I LOVED that scene. It was more horrifying and visceral than even the face skinning scene. And when Black Canary had those quiet, helpless tears... that was exactly my mood, too. Fuck.
Same, same!! Violence in a way that makes you want to turn away instead of seeing more. Love it!
The tone shifted in such a way that male audience members were uncomfortable with how the scene highlighted what they do to women on a day-to-day basis and how the naked woman is what they wanted to see in this film and they didn't get it. It was well shot and I'm happy to have seen some actual men squirm.
That scene made me want to leave the theater. And that's what I want those kind of scene's to do! Not the fake, cringe shit
Man, I went to see this movie with a friend of mine (both men) and we both walked out psyched as Fuck, like “holy shit that movie was /phenomenal/“. In contention with Spiderverse for “hands down best superhero movie of all time”. We stan queens
it's not really on par with spiderverse and it's kinda a bad superhero movie since the characters that were superheroes in the comics are nothing like those versions and get they have to change some stuff but turning cassandra from the most skilled hand to hand fighter in the batfamily to some pick pocket is dumb
@@ayman6733 care to let people enjoy things that they like instead of policing people on what they should or shouldn't like??
@@RandomSwiftie13 then let people don't like things ir they don't
And care more about other opiniones than just classifed them as hate
It is so true that I felt more emotion watching Harley lost her sandwich than the save martha scene 💀
It's so tired, some "alpha males" will dislike any movie with a developed female character in it.
Ha! what alpha males they r mostly a hairy blob of lard that lived in their parent's basement
I like to remember that the whole alpha theory was disproven, it's like extra proof that even when they think they're being "scientific" about it, they're just full of crap.
@@Kyss111 like you?
@@WinstonPoptart I'm a girl, what?
@@WinstonPoptart You pop up everywhere but don't offer anything of value. Say something that is constructive and sn't coated in ten layers of salt next time.
Some men cannot process that women don't exist FOR them. That's all.
Nerds in particular. Like, remember the backlash to the announcement of the She-Ra reboot? "How dare anyone make a children's cartoon that isn't specifically for me, a 45-year-old man who honestly thinks that having watched the cartoon in the eighties entitles me to be the target audience for all future iterations on the concept!"
@@jimballard1186 I was thinking of the same thing!
@@jimballard1186 because the movie sucked
@@WinstonPoptart youve managed to find a large group of people who dont care please book it
@@jimballard1186 I KNOW RIGHT?! They’re all entitled mommy boys and it’s honestly kinda sad
I remember seeing so many men hating on the move on instagram (commenting under posted trailers) before it even came out. Calling it "feminist propaganda" and saying that Harley didn't look hot anymore. Reading those comments made me physically sick. Harley looks gorgeous in BOP, 1000x better than in Suicide Squad. Her outfits are so pretty and practically scream HARLEY. It made me realize that many men only appreciate female superheros/villains if they "look hot" from the man's eye. Most of these men didn't even want to give Birds of Prey a chance bc it was directed by a woman.
And then, after the movie had been released, they made fun of it and bashed it for not being as high-grossing as Suicide Squad, and then used that fact to "prove" that male movie directors are just better than female directors.
and even with all this, there's still people who say that we don't need feminism...
Parts of the films I actually enjoyed and probably got over the head of most guys:
- Harley being so crazy she don't even want to use real guns to smash people, but lost and found of circus supplies.
- Harley being so crazy she chose her trusted baseball over a chainsaw because that's not the sexiest way to kill, just the way she likes it better.
- Harley still using real guns when there is no funier option, and the fact that we actually FEEL in the cuts how less fun it is for her to do so
- How we are always shown quite close how she feels while being completely psychologically and brain chemically off balance, and it never is justified, even when she loose it to cope with being beeten up singing Diamonds are the Girls best friends in her head, or finally access a coke rain to feel better in the middle of a draining fight. No more explanation needed.
- The fact that she is still a psychologist, and her brain is not lost on the side of the road, it just that she doesn't use it until it's relevant, and doesn't show it off when it's useless.
- She doesn't care the bounty is a kid, she just consider gore her style.
- The "long hair in the middle of a fight" problem, that NO ONE ELSE CARES ABOUT IN ANY OTHER FILMS.
- The fact that the little girl saves herself.
That scene when Roman makes the woman strip made the most uncomfortable I have ever been when watching a movie. It was acted so realistically it actually almost made me cry. I was sitting next to my friend while watching it and we were both dead silent.
I thought I was going to throw up while watching it in the theater I was so horrified. However I was so happy that for once sexual violence wasn't made to be sexy and something to watch but a genuinely terrifying scene on par with or even more terrifying than Roman peeling off peoples' faces.
I watched it with my girlfriend, and we were angry and sad with that scene, I think we didn't talk about afterwards
I think that scene really did what it was mean to do. It made me sick and it made the ending so much more gratifying.
@@em01455 tbh i was enjoying the movie until he peeled that guys face off and then i was literally in a state of panic for the rest of the movie so i rlly did not take anything in after that
I also loved that everyone but him in the bar was super uncomfortable about it, didnt want to be there, and didnt think it was sexy either, they were all uncomfortable and scared, and the move meant it was something that could be turned on them too. It always feels like scenes like that always have background characters enthusiastically participating, and im glad that this one didnt. Everyone in there knew it wasnt okay.
Birds of Prey had better fight choreography than ANY Batman movie, and that is embarrassing. The thing played out like a Takeshi Miike spectacle. Anyone who said the fight scenes were "too long" should stay the hell away from pretty much all East Asian action movies.
Too long? As opposed to the 45 minute action sequence at the end of every Avengers? Talk about grasping as straws.
@The Duke The first avengers was 45 minutes too. It was a great 45 minutes that no one should begrudge. But no more should anyone begrudge the length of the actions scenes in BoP. They were as long as they needed to be. Anyone who got bored was not into the movie in the first place, in which case criticizing the length of the action scene was as ridiculous as saying "This dress I would never wear also makes my ass look too flat."
The last fight scene was a little low energy compared to harleys scenes in the police station, I think it was probably because it would be hard to schedule all those actors to be together for a long rehearsal period. But it is still a massive improvement over the messy CGI with buildings collapsing that is so common in superhero movies. I still cant get over that police station scene, it is absolute perfection. The coloured smoke + glitter + water... *chefs kiss*
@@bedtimeat8 I thought that funhouse fight scene was gloriously madcap. As well as the roller skate car chase.
@@bedtimeat8 Yeah, you can't beat that roller-skate car chase. At the end of the day, an action film only needs two knockout action scenes. This film has got 'em. One is just perfectly choreographed (chef's kiss indeed) and the other showed us something we've never seen before, that no other modern action star than Harley Quinn could have done. I mean, you can't put John Wick in roller skates, I'm sorry. It's just the price of being so self-serious.
WHY HAS THIS VIDEO NOT BLOWN UP YET, I KEEP WATCHING IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE TBH
Here i am in mid-2024 liking 3yo comments for ~engagement~
Here's just ONE of the things I LOVE about BoP: Harley is a chaotic and unreliable narrator. We need more of these!!
"I feel like I could make a whole video about the men of Birds of Prey... and real world mens reactions to them" PLEASE DO THIS THING
Yes! 10/10 would watch that
Hey, same profile picture.
@@clal8030 same hat!
100% I'd watch an entire series about this movie (and any movie someone is this passionate about, so twice as much interest in watching)
YES! A 1000 times YES to that. Pretty please!
Something that I think get's overlooked is the movie's proximity to the revenge film genre - but it never quite falls into that category, because it's about survival, not revenge. And also from a feminist perspective, it's so much more satisfying to me than "empowerment" films like Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman, because it treats patriarchy as something that isn't overcome by superpowered individuals punching a god and "proving themselves", but women working together in solidarity and fighting for their own lives, and just surviving.
Thank you for that insight about Captain Marvel. I'd never been able to figure out what about that movie bugged me. This gave me the perspective I need to figure it out on a rewatch.
literally the whole point of Captain Marvel is that she shouldn't have to prove herself. "I have nothing to prove to you" is the most pivotal line in the film. And you say it's about "superpowered individuals punching a god and "proving themselves".... jesus fucking christ, do people not pay attention to what they're watching? You're no better than the men who get mad she didn't "EaRn HeR PoWeRs!"
@@jimballard1186 Except her points make no sense, literally the whole point of Captain Marvel is that she shouldn't have to prove herself. "I have nothing to prove to you" is the most pivotal line in the film. Yet she says it's about "superpowered individuals punching a god and "proving themselves".... jesus fucking christ, do people not pay attention to what they're watching? This is no better than the men who get mad she didn't "EaRn HeR PoWeRs!"
@@Fantallana you're allowed to like the film. I enjoyed it at the time and I'm as mad at men who criticised it in bad faith as you are. But it still stands that she's extremely OP and even if she doesn't /have/ to prove anything, she still does. She still beats him. Anyway I don't want to get into an argument over Captain Marvel. I'm just explaining why BoP resonated with me much more because of its emphasis on women's solidarity. If you love CM, good for you.
@@Fantallana I agree Carol doesn't have a damn thing to prove to anyone. I think that ending is brilliant, subverting the tired toxic male dominance games while also being a meta middle finger to the trolls who were dragging the movie before they ever saw it. Neither do I have a problem with her not "earning" her powers; my favorite comic character is Superman, who earns his powers even less than Carol does. I think (and I say "I think" because I haven't fully sorted out my feelings yet) my problem is the character just feels a bit cold to me. She's so isolated from everyone else, in a way that feels unbelievable... but I buy that her standing too close to a magic rock will turn her into a super-saiyan, so maybe the problem is less with the movie than me. I dunno. I'm still sorting it out.
The fight scenes here are actually the best I've seen in a long time, even considering MCU.
My partner and I LOVED this movie, but we noticed that a lot of other people didn't. I work at a game store, and it wasn't until a little girl and her mum cane in looking for Harley Quinn merch that I was actually able to rave about the movie with someone else. The little girl would watch the movie almost every day, but her mum would skip past the scene in the bar every time (because yeah, that's shits horrifying, and it captures the reality of that horror so well)
the little girl is watching an r rated movie every day with brutal gore torture and swearing?
@@andyrobin7196 hey, i watched r rated films as a little girl, and i turned out fine
This film will go on to be appreciated more years from now like Jennifer's Body and others.
We could write a pretty long list of great female-led and/or female-starring movies that were pooh-poohed at the time they can put, but were later realised as the works of art they always were.
I’m adding Marie Antoinette to this list.
I hate to say it but I don't like Jennifer's Body. Not because of the female presence(I am a woman)but because of the writing of Jennifer. We're supposed to feel sympathy for her but we literally only got about ten minutes of her being mean. Also it has similar themes to Ginger Snaps which does it better so yeah.
@@user-jn1wm3tb8v I love Ginger Snaps too
It’s absolutely gonna be a cult classic.
@@katherinemorelle7115 write the list! ahaha
The scene that scared me a lot was the part where the girl was forced to strip and it scared me a lot. It's uncomfortable. They acted so well that it actually felt real like I was actually there
That scene was Stupid
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I'm curious, have you ever been in a weaker position and someone do something that not only humiliated you, but made you terrified on a deeply psychological level? I guarantee every woman watching that scene shuddered. "I will make you do this because I CAN and no one will stop me, even if I drag you out this room by the hair after you're naked." It makes you feel terrified and humiliated by your own powerlessness. And it's something that could conceivably happen to anyone, versus a man in a giant robot suit with his foot on your neck.
Would you understand it better if he had made a man at the table stand on it and take off his clothes while everyone stood by and stared because they were too scared, too powerless to do anything?
@@atroposz Lmao if that were vice versa, & it was a man dancing for Black mask,
People would be laughing,
& Telling him to "man up".
The bad guy was bad.
@@damaskito he was a insecure Dudebro,
LAME
Masterpiece of a video.
Just wanted to say that Sionis making the woman stand on the table and dance is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen. I was actually more scared of this scene than some horror movies 😅 sexual harassment is a REAL thing for women, but some men just don't see it as being scary when it's actually really scarring.
I couldn't agree more. This scene goes underappricated even by the media reviewers who give the film more tacid support. It's very uncomfortable and affective.
Oh god, your last line slayed me! “Yes it has pockets!” I did want to know! When I saw her overalls my first thought was, yeah, of course, they have giant pockets and lots of them, what’s not to love!
"so stupid, so vapid, so chronically uncomplicated and thats the point, a point that seems to go over a lot of male reviewers heads" I have to laugh
Quick Edit cause Im watching this for the seventh time: In highschool PE class (all girls school) we were taught self defense and one of the best recommended moves to use was either using your body weight to break a leg, wrist of ankle, and throat or eye jabs... Harley actually uses a modified version of typical self defense moves girls are taught which I think is really cool
right? i feel like a lot of boys like to romanticize dark pasts and being an asshole because of it, which i totally get and creates amazing characters, but that is far from the profile a lot of the evil people irl have. it's like they want the mafia boss to always have some sort of twisted childhood trauma (keyword: always) when sometimes, people are just assholes and there's nothing to praise there.
YESSS
he comented about the throat punchs being to silence the men but i automatically recognized it is a self defense tactic: heads are hard, throats are your best chance - take his breath out!
When I went to college one of the seminars our hall had was on basic self defense, especially as a means to escape from being grappled by someone larger than you (it’s slamming your heel down on the top of the attacker’s foot, then using the shock from that hit to go for the genitals, btw). So yeah, definitely something a decent proportion of the ladies in the audience would know.
And then the male critics looked at the fight scenes and were like 'i cant even define this fighting style.' Telling.
And because she's quite shorter than her opponents so those kind of attacks would make the most sense
"Are you in the queer community or just a confident, attractive nerd?" An internal essay from a new viewer
Wow you articulated what everyone was wondering perfectly
💯💀😆
cause gays cant be nerds........................sigh
@@serenityq26 yes because that’s obviously exactly what I meant.
@@electricfishfan7159 Same.
PLEASE FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!
I’d also like to offer the point that maybe a lot of the incels complaining that the villains weren’t scary enough missed the point that the movie industry usually caters to broad and generalized (*cough* /male/) ideas of “scary.” When I first watched the movie, the scenes with Zsasz made me genuinely uncomfortable because his type of character exists in real life- he embodies a real person that most of if not all women have had to avoid or deal with at times when they have feared for their safety. Men don’t often feel as threatened by that kind of person because they are rarely targeted by that kind of person. And the movie industry doesn’t always have to cater to them.
Now we all know that the 'punchline" in Ant-Man and The Wasp was actually a setup, to be paid-off in WandaVision
apparently he thinks huntress ordering chinese food is funnier
@@ayman6733 I mean I laughed... I love Wandavision but when I saw that moment I was like "Ah , Ant-Man & Wasp reference" in my head , but I didn't find it funny tbh just interesting-
This is like therapy after having to love this movie all by myself for so long.
LITERALLY! I read the title of this video and felt immediately gratified 😅
Yes!
same here :,)
YES
Y'all are my people. I lowkey loved this movie and I felt guilty for being 1 in 100 to like it in a critic video of some sort.
Her relationship with her baconeggandcheese was so deeply personal to me. Also, the throat punches work just on a practical level if you don't even want to read into the metaphor, Harley is weaker than all of these buff men so she just throat punches to disarm them as quick and easy as possible.
Those men should be terrified of her unrealistic
Hopping in a bit late to agree with this: It levels the playing field more. Also, there's something fundamentally practical about finding a basic, easy technique that works and leaning on it
Meanwhile I'm here still wondering how she was able to balance on those roller skates....
She was shown doing roller derby earlier in the film, so she's clearly very comfortable maneuvering in them 🤷♀️ got a lotta practice
I almost never watch DC films, and barely remember Suicide Squad, so when my friend came over to my house and insisted I'd like Birds of Prey, I was uncertain but watched anyway. It is now one of my favourite movies ever. we're planning on cosplaying Harley and Canary together soon
Dang i wish I could cosplay them lol
Personally, I feel like Victor Zsasz can also be used as a sort of binary opposition to Harley. He runs to every call Roman gives, even though Roman doesn’t ever actually seem interested or appreciative of him. I can see people saying that Victor is queercoded, but not Roman. Roman is a narcissist who has no interest in anyone but himself and his possessions, to me this reminds me of Harley and Joker’s relationship
that is so interesting! i hadn't thought of that
Wow!
Now I want a Chris Messina led Zsasz emancipation movie. And a for-no-reason-dance-break in the film is here-by mandatory. Because Messina dancing is just delicious!
@@ginao6810 sadly i think he's a bit too dead lol
@@lucyandecember2843 Since when has a character's death prevented the creation of more stories about them? Especially in the world of comics!
The critical response to BIRDS OF PREY is perfect evidence of how women have to work twice as hard and still get told it's not good enough.
Also half the comments under this video LOL
Probably because the movie, you know, just sucked
@BL we? I'm black
Could have worked half as hard and done twice as good.
I binge watched this for weeks after my horrible break up after 14 years. It was exactly what I needed
“Harley losing a sandwich has more of an emotional impact on the audience than whatever the hell is happening here.” 😂 I have never felt more connected to a character than when Harley lost that sandwich. 🥪💔
Also, god forbid that a movie be made to appeal to female viewers. 🙄
First of all female viewers are already Appealed too many times in multiple movies, but I guess all female lead movies must only appeal to women I guess
I dunno that's kind of sexist.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 She said *a movie* so quit that generalizing. Can you give examples of movies that appealed too many times to women? Perhaps the movie wasn't made to appeal to you and it's okay to not like it, just don't mock it for not fulfilling your sensibilities. You wouldn't call a children's movie bad because it was childish now, do you?
@@thunderbird3304
How am I generalizing Exactly??
My point with, what I was saying that Movies already Appeal to women, which can be many things from Romance movies, fantasy, Horror & The Superhero genre.
I would like to ask why do people say this movie isn't for me??
is it because of the main characters gender?? Because that's absolutely moronic, is it because the people who made this movie made this movie completely apart from how a Comic book movie is & threw away the source material for their ignorant ideology??
Also the Children argument is just a bad argument.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Apologies, I came off too confrontational. But what I'm trying to say is that this movie's target demographic would be the women who watch superhero movies. If you like it, that's great, but if you don't, that's okay too. Some movies aren't made for one's demographic, and there's no need to consider not liking those movies a character flaw. Look for other movies that you like, no need to go out to bash those who find this movie great. Hope you have a great day
@@thunderbird3304
I think my issue with the movie is the Divisive marketing basically saying that "it's not for men" even though most Superhero movies are liked by men, I'm not saying women dont enjoy them too, but the thing is it's mostly liked by men, Which is why The Directors were being stupid imo by trying to Alienate The audience & say bad things about them, to put another in which is dumb just make something for everyone.
The thing is with Directors in modern Hollywood are just being so ignorant & out of touch, making cringe statements when making movies & attack fans for criticizing movies, especially female lead movies, which causes them to fail & bomb.
My favourite thing about this movie is that it felt like something was finally meant for me. I watched it and just had so much fun with the crazy fight scenes, none of the women being necessarily good people, a normal looking child character that wasn’t a model, and never feeling like the women were overly sexualised or just props in a mans story. I remember watching it and thinking “damn, is this what guys feel like watching superhero films?”. It just felt like it clicked, this is what movies are supposed to feel like. No underlying and subconscious discomfort at sexualisation, no trying to find a woman to connect to, overanalysing and trying to figure out if the storyline for a woman is well written....for once I just got to enjoy a movie knowing that the director understood me and wouldn’t let me down. This movie has really opened my eyes.
That is the exact feeling I had watching the 2016 Ghostbusters. "Is this what straight guys feel like in the movie theatre? THIS FEELS AWESOME!" It's such a rare thing for us to experience a movie specifically made to make US feel badass, and that's so frustrating.
I love this! I felt the same, it's got THE best and the MOST interesting fight sequences in a DC Universe film (for me, personally) bc of the locations, pacing and stunts, it feels like a real powerhouse film for women and I want more of these types and if no one will make them then give me a few years and I will bc holy shit I loved this film sm
YES
exactly this!
@LokiTetch "positive", you mean sexualised and one-dimensional
I really HATE how much misogyny and sexism played into the bad reception of this brilliant movie. It is, without a doubt, part of my Top 3 DC movies, beating movies like Wonderwoman or the shitshow that was Suicide Squad (sorry!) with ease! The cinematography, the acting, the amazingly choreographed fight scenes that slapped without 216452672 jumpcuts.
Went to watch it 3(!) times in the cinema, that's how much I liked it. Also got a banger soundtrack, well-written characters and an overall "badass" vibe as well as refreshingly written villains!
To be fair, there's a certain twisted irony in that misogyny so negatively affected the perception of a movie that says a lot about patriarchal power and entitlement, it almost emphasizes some of the biggest themes.
I agree with everything except we’ll written characters. Cassandra Cain and Victor Zsasz in particular.
Funny how I haven’t seen a single woman dislike this movie but I have seen some men love it.
If you flipped the genders of all the characters 99% of women would hate it. The movie openly hates men so it's not surprising that 99% of men dont like it.