I own the world’s fastest SQ5, and I have the same issue. Had the same issue even when I was stock. Thanks for giving us input with this awesome video. Keep it up. Class action incoming against Audi.
@@halfhappy117 these older style rocker arms used smaller needle bearings which are expanding and allowing the pins to come apart and destroy your cams, etc.
Where is the class action suit regarding this problem...this is unacceptable from. A "premium " car company. If their smart they'd fix this unless they want to loose big business in the near future
As an owner of a 2018 s5 copue it's time for us owners to demand a recall fix or class action law suit simply because this wasn't disclosed and can lead to other major problems including and not limited to engine damage or failure.
And you *could* get hit by a truck too but how likely is that to happen? Probably as likely as these are to fail on your car. There’s a reason the forums aren’t awash with videos and complaints…it’s just the same two videos, one of which is by a garage that beat the crap out of owners cars and spread misinformation - getting the picture yet?
I have the old ones with a stage 2 APR since 18700 miles I know have 80k .... ZERO ISSUES.. That's w APR tune .IC . Downpipe .and a few other fun things again 0 issues ..
I have a 2017 S4 with 33k miles on it. Good as gold. My Audi tuning specialist has never seen or heard of this issue before. Deals with 40 new Audi motors a month. Just drive and enjoy your cars man.
@user-zo6cr2rg2f Also, if this was a genuine issue, Audi would have recalled the motors. You could easily look at any car and find an excuse not to buy it or drive it. Unfortunately the Internet is full of good and bad advice, which isn't reliable.
Not common, this engine has been in a VAG product since 2016 and there have been 2019s with the old revision as well. There are so many out there the failure amount is miniscule, alot of people and I mean quite a bit of people mix up the hpfp/injector tick with rocker arm failure due to posts on social media. Thanks for the vid btw for an easy check going forward.
Infinite thanks for the amazing info. My 2020 Macan S, that shares this same 3.0 V6 single turbo engine is a 07/2019 manufacture and following your advice I got the endoscope from Amazon and easily checked that I do have the newer rocker arms with the fat bearings. I'm keeping the endoscope, it's a nice piece of equipment for a crazy cheap price, for the service if has given me the don't deserve I return it. I plan to use it to inspect my drier conduits for stacked lint.
This isn't a big of an issue as the internet would lead you to believe. Audi has made 100's of thousands of variations of this engine world wide and the failure percentage isn't that high even if we don't know the exact number. Obviously, people who have issues are going to be louder than those who don't. I have well over 100K on my modified B9 and you shouldn't be scared of owning one. You WILL have a PCV issue tho.
I've owned Audis for nearly 20 years now though, and honestly, if there's something I've learned, it is that if a part has been redesigned, it's almost certainly because the original had more failures than they would have liked.
My sq5 is production 12/17. I’m going to the dealership tomorrow to have them check . Most likely old ones . Roughly how much to replace ? Thank you Is it possible that my car could have the bigger bearings? I’ll definitely find out today or tomorrow but I’m curious even though mines a 2017 production it is the 3 L turbo engine what all them made that year with the pins. Were some made with the bigger bearings. I’m just curious.?
You have to orient the borescope just right to get on top of the rollers. Leave yourself about 6 inches of straight and bend it at the very end towards you.
@@vagdude6397 when you are in the front of the car, do you put the borescope to the left or right of the cam ? In the video your camera goes first to the left and then right.
Yes. I only can pray. So basically I’m still interest to know is it better to upgrade the rocker arms to the new version or stay the old till issue coming up. Don’t mind spending unnecessary money for this
Hey I’ve got an s4 with a slight clattering noise almost like a bad fuel pump. I’m sus of the rocker arms, could you provide a video or could I send you a video to confirm?? Thanks.
it will be very noticeable. regular ticking noise on b9 engines is a very fast/high pitched ticking. bad rocker arms will be a separate slower, low frequency tap almost like someone's repeatedly hitting the engine block with a metal rod. almost like a chatter. observable towards the middle and sides of the valve cover shroud.
These hpfp make a crazy amount of noise, always have. Same with valve trains. Normal for the most part. Listen for inconsistencies. The zf8 is a fantastic trans so you shouldn’t be hearing any noises. Shifts are crisp though for the most part?
@@vagdude6397 Yeah the shifts are alright, it loves to bang 3->2 even after a readaptation and sometimes at low throttle gets confused in 7th when it tries to go to 8 and then bangs when it realizes 8 doesn't work at 42mph. I've had 5 other Audis, many with direct injection but never heard an HPFP this noisy. No fuel cuts or anything though. Seems to get worse as the car gets hot It could also potentially be a soundproofing issue that it's making its way to the cabin when it shouldn't be. I know there's a TSB for the intermediate steering shaft that I need to get under the car and look at
Is there a mileage I can expect them to go bad at? I just bought an 18 s5 but got a 5 year 60k mile comprehensive warranty on it so I’m not stressing on repair costs. Cars at 46k miles rn so as long as they fail before 100k miles I’m chillin. Just curious. Great vid, you earned a subscriber!
Hey man! Thanks for the sub! It’s hard to say. I’ve heard failure happen as low as 30k miles but also have people with 100k mile + cars with no issues yet. Really hard to tell. Wish I had an answer! Just listen for abnormal inconsistent ticking noise and pull your oil cap and listen for rattling/ticking.
@@princebamb1672 Hey yeah when I got the car there were some pre existing problems that I found a month or two later. The engine oil filter housing which is in the engine bay was leaking around the seal causing oil to pool up in the engine and then the drip came from under the front passenger seat. They just had to replace the housing, gasket, and screws. Motor mounts were leaking hydraulic fluid, they had to replace those. The seat belt tensioner in the drivers seat was faulty so it caused the pre-sense to not work. Outside of this I’m at 54k miles now and the car is great! My one complaint about it is the interior rattles. The doors, trim pieces, seat belt covers, trunk, and roof all rattle and creak in their own ways. I’ve done a good job at taking things apart and applying felt tape or butyl rubber to it to silence the car and it’s noticeably better. Will be taking the car in to figure out why my roof making a weird popping noise the first time I drive it after it’s been parked overnight. I drive the car hard often, it’s hard not to lol, performs and handles like a champ, wish Audi could have gotten the interior up to par with my moms Subaru which is dead silent on the interior lol. If you have any questions about the rattles or problems with the car let me know, I’ve became quite knowledgeable about common problems and how to take things apart to fix them, outside of the engine bay which is way too crowded for me to do anything by myself.
Im 100 % sure i got the old ones. My b9 was built in 2k17. My car is now out of warranty. If the rocker arms will become an issue..how audi is dealing with this problem? Goodwill or am i gonna spend a lot of money?
Doesn’t sound like Audi is doing much as far as goodwill goes. I’d buy an extended warranty for now just in case and hopefully, Audi acknowledge the issue soon and makes a plan.
So, #VAGDude - as a service adviser, what would replacing a rocker arm that is bad, cost? Let say an SQ5, like you have there. Would you advise, if a client came in with a bad rocker arm that ALL should be replaced? Maybe a separated Parts and Labor cost(s), please? PLEASE respond as I think I have a bad rocker arm and I do NOT want to get hosed by a greedy service/repair shop trying to ride my wallet.
Hey Luke! If you were to replace a bad rocker arm, it would be a no brainer to replace all of them. Some dealerships have just replaced the one bad one which is crazy to me. All should be replaced. Parts cost isn’t terrible but you’ll be paying a ton for labor. Can’t give a price figure but you can expect north of $6,000
Can anyone in the world tell me if normal A4 B9 2016. 2.0 TDI 190hp (Diesel) is affected by this? I have this one with 125k miles on it. Thanks a lot!!
btw i'm asking this because i have some rattling/ticking noise at high revs and only when gas pedal is engaged, after letting gas off it stops... it is not loud but quite noise in fact from engine bay seems like... not sure if this is usual 'diesel' noise or arms....
I agree. I change my oil at 5k or sooner depending on time and driving conditions. 10k is ridiculous to me. I've had my 2018 s4 for years with lots of hard street driving, various autox and track days. No issues.
OMG. I just bought an RS4, date 1/19 . Im gonna chek it when it comes home. Do you have the Old reference and the NEW one to buy one to compare? Thank you so much @vagdude6397
I own the world’s fastest SQ5, and I have the same issue. Had the same issue even when I was stock.
Thanks for giving us input with this awesome video. Keep it up. Class action incoming against Audi.
It’s coming! My techs know too… time will tell
What issue are you having? He never mentioned an issue other than some are failing, have yours failed?
@@halfhappy117 these older style rocker arms used smaller needle bearings which are expanding and allowing the pins to come apart and destroy your cams, etc.
I’d like to sign that class action. Old style rockers just went.
Where is the class action suit regarding this problem...this is unacceptable from. A "premium " car company. If their smart they'd fix this unless they want to loose big business in the near future
As an owner of a 2018 s5 copue it's time for us owners to demand a recall fix or class action law suit simply because this wasn't disclosed and can lead to other major problems including and not limited to engine damage or failure.
And you *could* get hit by a truck too but how likely is that to happen? Probably as likely as these are to fail on your car. There’s a reason the forums aren’t awash with videos and complaints…it’s just the same two videos, one of which is by a garage that beat the crap out of owners cars and spread misinformation - getting the picture yet?
I agree they should be building these cars properly its not our problem if the issue is with their build quality
Was in the process of buying a 2018 S5 after seeing your video, VAGTechnic and some other videos i'll wait to get my hand on a 19 s5 for sure.
I have the old ones with a stage 2 APR since 18700 miles I know have 80k .... ZERO ISSUES.. That's w APR tune .IC . Downpipe .and a few other fun things again 0 issues ..
Does it tick, or tick louder when low acceleration?
I have a 2017 S4 with 33k miles on it. Good as gold. My Audi tuning specialist has never seen or heard of this issue before. Deals with 40 new Audi motors a month. Just drive and enjoy your cars man.
@@chrisellison9046 cause you have 33k miles..
@user-zo6cr2rg2f Also, if this was a genuine issue, Audi would have recalled the motors. You could easily look at any car and find an excuse not to buy it or drive it. Unfortunately the Internet is full of good and bad advice, which isn't reliable.
Not common, this engine has been in a VAG product since 2016 and there have been 2019s with the old revision as well. There are so many out there the failure amount is miniscule, alot of people and I mean quite a bit of people mix up the hpfp/injector tick with rocker arm failure due to posts on social media. Thanks for the vid btw for an easy check going forward.
Common or not, Audi updated the part for a reason.
Infinite thanks for the amazing info. My 2020 Macan S, that shares this same 3.0 V6 single turbo engine is a 07/2019 manufacture and following your advice I got the endoscope from Amazon and easily checked that I do have the newer rocker arms with the fat bearings. I'm keeping the endoscope, it's a nice piece of equipment for a crazy cheap price, for the service if has given me the don't deserve I return it. I plan to use it to inspect my drier conduits for stacked lint.
Happy to hear!!! :)
Great video man! Great content
100 % no problem with my audi rs4 9.5 production 11/2019?
Mine is the same production month. I believe the 2nd revision of the updated rocker arm was put into production in June of 2018.
About what year for a 19 is late?
This isn't a big of an issue as the internet would lead you to believe. Audi has made 100's of thousands of variations of this engine world wide and the failure percentage isn't that high even if we don't know the exact number. Obviously, people who have issues are going to be louder than those who don't. I have well over 100K on my modified B9 and you shouldn't be scared of owning one.
You WILL have a PCV issue tho.
I've owned Audis for nearly 20 years now though, and honestly, if there's something I've learned, it is that if a part has been redesigned, it's almost certainly because the original had more failures than they would have liked.
@@jlgroovetekme with my b8 a4 with timing chain and turbo waste gate issues lol
Had an Audi tech use the boriscope and was able to get a picture. How can I contact you to see if you think I have the revision?
They’re either the big rollers like mine or the needle bearings. Check out some pictures in the forums or email me if you can’t
What’s your email?
@@MrModz1999 shoot it to skatehate48@gmail.com lol
@@vagdude6397 sent you an email. Happy New Year!
Hey, if i have s4 a 02\19 is it good?
I have 2018 s4 with a June 9th of 2018 engine build date and will be doing this soon.
Most likely old rockers but always good to check!
Did you end up having the old or new style?
My sq5 is production 12/17.
I’m going to the dealership tomorrow to have them check . Most likely old ones .
Roughly how much to replace ? Thank you
Is it possible that my car could have the bigger bearings? I’ll definitely find out today or tomorrow but I’m curious even though mines a 2017 production it is the 3 L turbo engine what all them made that year with the pins. Were some made with the bigger bearings. I’m just curious.?
What did they find out? It’s upgraded rocker arms?
Did you find out and how much to replace?
How can you tell if you have the old ones versus the new ones?
does this also effect the standard A4 and A5 model rocker arms? curious to know if they share the same rockers.
The 2.0T platform cars are not affected. Just 2.9 and 3.0t
I just tried this and after 30 mins I got impatient. How did you land on the rocker first try ?
You have to orient the borescope just right to get on top of the rollers. Leave yourself about 6 inches of straight and bend it at the very end towards you.
@@vagdude6397 when you are in the front of the car, do you put the borescope to the left or right of the cam ? In the video your camera goes first to the left and then right.
@@CedRouleau to the left of the cam and under
So you are saying, that this issue is showing up a lot more now? Since the car are now passed 50k miles
What production date should we look for? I have a 2019 s4 but I’m not sure if I made the cutoff
Hey man! You should see a barcode sticker on the metal coolant pipe on the front of your engine with a date stamp! Let me know
@@vagdude6397 it says October of 2018. Should I be good?
@@giovannimalek9211 oof…don’t think so. I would just inspect to find out for sure. I think the cutoff was 11/18
My 2019 rs5 has a 10/18 production date and I have the new bearings so you can’t go solely based off the production date.
@@vagdude6397what do you mean by cutoff? Mine is 01/18
and btw, im getting my audi s5 2018 this week, do you recommend to upgrade the new rocker arm or leave it as it be atm?
I recommend saving yourself the money down the road and getting a 2019 s5. Stay away from 18 production.
Too late buddy. Already approve and getting it tomorrow
@@erictan88 good luck. Hopefully it’s not an issue down the road
Yes. I only can pray. So basically I’m still interest to know is it better to upgrade the rocker arms to the new version or stay the old till issue coming up. Don’t mind spending unnecessary money for this
@@erictan88 I would let them be until they start making noise.
Will 10/25/2018 build date have the new rocker arms
No exact way to tell other than this. There’s no date because Audi used old bearings in different plants etc
Hey I’ve got an s4 with a slight clattering noise almost like a bad fuel pump. I’m sus of the rocker arms, could you provide a video or could I send you a video to confirm?? Thanks.
it will be very noticeable. regular ticking noise on b9 engines is a very fast/high pitched ticking. bad rocker arms will be a separate slower, low frequency tap almost like someone's repeatedly hitting the engine block with a metal rod. almost like a chatter. observable towards the middle and sides of the valve cover shroud.
Hi, I take picture but i am not sure it, can you help me to distinguish? Thanks
i hope i have the new ones in UK 2017 :(
I had a june 2018 with the old ones, now have a Nov 2018 with the new ones.
do you have a sample of new and the latest rocker arms?
There’s some pictures in the forums. Let me know if you can’t find them.
I am looking to buy an audi sq5. So what year do you recommend i buy sq5? 2020+?
I would certainly recommend 2020 plus
Nice thanks for sharing.
Absolutely! Thanks for the sub! Happy to help.
Any common themes with noisy valvetrains/HPFPs/transmissions under load in the B9.5? Starting to drive me crazy
These hpfp make a crazy amount of noise, always have. Same with valve trains. Normal for the most part. Listen for inconsistencies. The zf8 is a fantastic trans so you shouldn’t be hearing any noises. Shifts are crisp though for the most part?
@@vagdude6397 Yeah the shifts are alright, it loves to bang 3->2 even after a readaptation and sometimes at low throttle gets confused in 7th when it tries to go to 8 and then bangs when it realizes 8 doesn't work at 42mph.
I've had 5 other Audis, many with direct injection but never heard an HPFP this noisy. No fuel cuts or anything though. Seems to get worse as the car gets hot
It could also potentially be a soundproofing issue that it's making its way to the cabin when it shouldn't be. I know there's a TSB for the intermediate steering shaft that I need to get under the car and look at
what do i need to do if i have the old ones but my s4 is working fine? should i tell my dealer to swap them? is there any warranty on it from Audi HQ?
Nothing yet. Best thing to do now is wait for Audi class action lawsuit. Keep up on oil changes and listen for the noise
@@vagdude6397 oh there is an Audi class action lawsuit? :O
B9 more like Be mine 👌🏻
Is there a mileage I can expect them to go bad at? I just bought an 18 s5 but got a 5 year 60k mile comprehensive warranty on it so I’m not stressing on repair costs. Cars at 46k miles rn so as long as they fail before 100k miles I’m chillin. Just curious. Great vid, you earned a subscriber!
Hey man! Thanks for the sub! It’s hard to say. I’ve heard failure happen as low as 30k miles but also have people with 100k mile + cars with no issues yet. Really hard to tell. Wish I had an answer! Just listen for abnormal inconsistent ticking noise and pull your oil cap and listen for rattling/ticking.
How is your s5 doing, I have a 18 with 62k miles. You been having any problems? And do you drive the car hard🤔
@@princebamb1672 Hey yeah when I got the car there were some pre existing problems that I found a month or two later. The engine oil filter housing which is in the engine bay was leaking around the seal causing oil to pool up in the engine and then the drip came from under the front passenger seat. They just had to replace the housing, gasket, and screws. Motor mounts were leaking hydraulic fluid, they had to replace those. The seat belt tensioner in the drivers seat was faulty so it caused the pre-sense to not work. Outside of this I’m at 54k miles now and the car is great! My one complaint about it is the interior rattles. The doors, trim pieces, seat belt covers, trunk, and roof all rattle and creak in their own ways. I’ve done a good job at taking things apart and applying felt tape or butyl rubber to it to silence the car and it’s noticeably better. Will be taking the car in to figure out why my roof making a weird popping noise the first time I drive it after it’s been parked overnight. I drive the car hard often, it’s hard not to lol, performs and handles like a champ, wish Audi could have gotten the interior up to par with my moms Subaru which is dead silent on the interior lol. If you have any questions about the rattles or problems with the car let me know, I’ve became quite knowledgeable about common problems and how to take things apart to fix them, outside of the engine bay which is way too crowded for me to do anything by myself.
@@quackattack2002s5 still doing well? You are in an 18?
How many miles these days
Im 100 % sure i got the old ones. My b9 was built in 2k17. My car is now out of warranty. If the rocker arms will become an issue..how audi is dealing with this problem? Goodwill or am i gonna spend a lot of money?
Doesn’t sound like Audi is doing much as far as goodwill goes. I’d buy an extended warranty for now just in case and hopefully, Audi acknowledge the issue soon and makes a plan.
Is there a recall for this?
So, #VAGDude - as a service adviser, what would replacing a rocker arm that is bad, cost? Let say an SQ5, like you have there. Would you advise, if a client came in with a bad rocker arm that ALL should be replaced?
Maybe a separated Parts and Labor cost(s), please?
PLEASE respond as I think I have a bad rocker arm and I do NOT want to get hosed by a greedy service/repair shop trying to ride my wallet.
Hey Luke! If you were to replace a bad rocker arm, it would be a no brainer to replace all of them. Some dealerships have just replaced the one bad one which is crazy to me. All should be replaced. Parts cost isn’t terrible but you’ll be paying a ton for labor. Can’t give a price figure but you can expect north of $6,000
what are some signs of this old rocker arm failure? any sounds we need to look out for?
Were you ever able to find a video? I have one that I can send for reference
@@jonathandeuire6962 Hey - do you happen to have a video with the sound of the issue still?
@@DRM80919 yes I do.
@@DRM80919 yes I do.
Can anyone in the world tell me if normal A4 B9 2016. 2.0 TDI 190hp (Diesel) is affected by this? I have this one with 125k miles on it. Thanks a lot!!
btw i'm asking this because i have some rattling/ticking noise at high revs and only when gas pedal is engaged, after letting gas off it stops... it is not loud but quite noise in fact from engine bay seems like... not sure if this is usual 'diesel' noise or arms....
An A4 B9 2.0 TDI should not have problems with this. I have one myself with 170k
goddamn
Root cause of failure: OEM oil stretching interval past 6000 miles.
It’s cheap insurance for sure. Bonus is that I like doing it 😮
I agree. I change my oil at 5k or sooner depending on time and driving conditions. 10k is ridiculous to me. I've had my 2018 s4 for years with lots of hard street driving, various autox and track days. No issues.
To edit, I am Stage 2 and switched up to the RS5 oil SPEC 0W30 so it give me peace of min.d
OMG. I just bought an RS4, date 1/19 . Im gonna chek it when it comes home. Do you have the Old reference and the NEW one to buy one to compare? Thank you so much @vagdude6397
Did you have the new ones?