You may find a porous rock easier for developing root over rock, as the pores and fissures will give the roots something to clasp to. It also helps if there are channels in the rock that the roots can naturally grow into. You may find it more difficult to get the tree to adhere to the slate or a similar hard smooth stone. Tufa rock from aquatic centres is a good candidate for this kind of bonsai work. After wrapping the roots against the rock I would recommend burying the whole root mass and slowly raise it over a couple of growing seasons. I’ve killed a couple of trees from exposing too much of the upper root too early and they dried out and the tree inevitably died.
You make a good point there Jason, and to be honest I didn't even consider the nature of the rock. I was simply judging it on it's color and shape. It will be interesting to see how this tree gets on and how the roots develop.
@@TonysBonsai I would be sure to give it some winter protection this year, perhaps just lay a big handful of spaghnum moss around the top of the pot to cover the exposed roots to protect from cold and frost. They are especially vulnerable in these early days after being put together and initially exposed, but will harden up as they develop and acclimatise.
@@TonysBonsai good luck with it. I watch it’s development with interest. I still have a big rock from a failed beech attempt with which will no doubt I need to try again, bearing in mind the lessons learned. 😊
Yup I bury the whole rock and remove around 10mm each winter. So far my best results was from seedlings, shallow pot with a rock wrap for a few years till root bound then lift angle and shape. I don't wrap the roots in material as it can be a pain to remove as you raise, a few ornamental rocks on top of the soil holds down and slows evaporation in this early stage, I've found collecting strange rocks for my Bonsai is another obsession.
Thank you. I am just messing about with some trees in pots and I love the experimentation and the creative side of bonsai. I'm hoping on the future I will end up with some nice trees.
As a nurse I love the idea to use dressing instead of wire to attach the rootage to the stone. And I really laughed about the fact that I haven't even thought about this option before. This will definitley work perfect to support the growing roots. 😂♥️ Thx Tony 🙏
@@TonysBonsai THX 😘 I like to a be realistic optimist. And regarding to your rootfixing system- you should hurry up to aply for a patent 😂👍 This will work! I"ve also long term experience with medical dressings in special (as a company emplloyee) and with all my knowledge, I would really wonder, if dressing is not THE SOLUTION for root over the rock all over the world! 👍😃
Hi David. Having made this root over rock, I have since seen a video which said that it is actually fine to do root work on a box at this time of year, so I have much more hope that it will do well now. Good luck with yours!
Roots above ground I try to keep dry, get that bark look happening, I've had a few that have rotted from water trapping between rock and root. Have to be extra careful with weather turning your stone into a stove or ice block. Avoid root strangle early and think of the roots 10 times larger. Spring here in NZ so I'm buzzing over new growth. ✌️❤️🇳🇿
Some excellent points and plenty for me to think about there, although we are lucky here in that it rarely gets too hot or cold. Even the heatwave we had this summer wasn't too bad here. I hope all your trees are sprouting into life!
I think this is a great little project and I hadnt thought of trying anything like this at this time of year. I love the rock and adding to what Jason was saying I do create great results with standard 'hard' rock (from Stronsay). What I do try to do though, is 'mesh' the underside of the rock with the live roots to try to get it to form a basket. So as they thicken they seem to grip all of the rock better. Then, as I remove soil on an annual basic I know I will leave the base of the rock beneath the soil line so it doesnt matter how the criss crossing looks. My only other experience is I found completely covering the base of the trunk and roots helps development in that first year. I find it so frustrating when I do these that I can't see any of the root or rock. I've got quite a few in 2nd year development right now and I have only just exposed the top of the rock and root. My advice is to do loads of them over ths next year rather than just one or two. 😁😁😁
Great advice there mate, I appreciate it, and I am definitely going to have a go at lots of these over the coming months for sure as it does produce wonderful trees. I'm planning hawthorn, field maple, Japanese maple, and oak just for starters!. I'm looking forward to seeing yours as you begin to remove the soil and reveal the magic!
Nice project Tony. Possibly some Sphagnum moss over the exposed roots to protect it during the Winter and expose them next year. However, I'm a fine one to talk - all my Boxwoods have succumbed to the dreaded box blight and I've got none left. Hope yours does well and thrives in the future. 👍👍
That's a good idea Guy. I think I will definitely cover the roots if it gets particularly cold. It's a shame about your box trees, but i suppose you win some you lose some!
So glad i found your channel Tony. You have helped me decide that i do want to try some bonsai with things i find growing under strange situations already that have been given some help naturally with character. I have a black diamond crepe myrtle that has really good surface root structure to show off. Wish i could share a pic with you but i dont know how to do that . 😘🌱
Nice project. I’m going to give that tape a try in the future. Hopefully working out of season won’t set it back (or worse). My successful root over rocks have been accomplished by initially burying the entire rock. Good luck with yours. Thanks, keep growing
I only have one boxwood, It survived the first repotting but not the second. I was glad to see your video about using dead trees I can't remember the Japanese word for it, wiring New trees to them
Nice video Tony, again you've found a bargain! I have a root over rock Fugi Cherry I done last year, just waiting until winter to lift it out of the soil a little more.
I love fuji cherries. I have one in a pot developing, but I would love one root over rock so i might follow your lead and look out for one in the spring. I hope yours works well and looks great as you start to reveal the roots.
Another good video. Because of you I started using plasterers tape also. Makes good sense. I was using a sanding pad used by plasterers but the tape offers larger holes. in fact, last night I re-potted 3 trees to remove the old 'screen'. As soon as the nurseries are stocked up and open I'll be looking for some specimens. It's not easy to find weathered trees in the Colorado mountains. The trees usually grow between fissures in the all granite mountains..
Sounds like you are setting yourself the challenge of finding a good material. I love a nice collected tree myself. They have a special quality that is very hard to reproduce.
Hi Tony, gorgeous pot and stone combination. Just be aware that the dark stone might heat up in summer, during direct sun exposition. Roots may not take that well, I suppose. So actually a great opportunity to light up a shady place with this lovley tree. 🙏😘
Nice one Tony. Think the only thing I would have done was half way up the soil level I would have added some controlled release fertilizer, especially with it being recycled soil. Apart from that looks great. I think if you made your own tufa rock you could have left loads of nooks and crannies. And the porous nature would have helped the roots.
You make a good point there Kevin. Perhaps I will have a go at making some rocks in the future, but I must admit I do love a lovely natural piece of aged rock. It will be interesting to see how this looks in the future with it being a smooth non-porous stone.
Interesting. Veterinary tape I find better than raffia or bits of inner tube for padding wiring. It's not fiddly and air gets through it. Never done root-over-rock but I'm thinking of trying a climbing hydrangea up a tall spike of rock, although ivy would be cheaper to fail with.
Very interesting project again Tony!! I m curious how it will develop!! I did a root over rock planting with a Yew early in march. In the beginning it went very well, but then i drowned the poor plant, didn't realise that yew likes his feet dry, as I like also.
Thanks. I use my normal bonsai soil which contains 1/4 compost. I have heard that they do like some organic matter in their soil more so than other species.
I love boxwood bonsai but they seem to take extra slow to thicken, I have one I grew from a cutting 8 years ago in a good sized pot and its still only 3 pencil thickness or so. Do you happen to have any Ficus trees in bonsai training? I have more than I should (considering they need to be protected inside during winter) and they are so satisfying as root over rock bonsai.
Yes, they are a really slow growing plant. As you say, they can be in teh ground for 20 years and still not grow all that much. Good job I'm not in a rush! I don;t have eny tropical trees at all no. I don't really have any indoor space for them, and all that indoor/outdoor moving isn't for me. Although as you say, they do make amazing root over rocks. I love Nigel Sounders aerial root ficus trees.
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You may find a porous rock easier for developing root over rock, as the pores and fissures will give the roots something to clasp to. It also helps if there are channels in the rock that the roots can naturally grow into. You may find it more difficult to get the tree to adhere to the slate or a similar hard smooth stone. Tufa rock from aquatic centres is a good candidate for this kind of bonsai work.
After wrapping the roots against the rock I would recommend burying the whole root mass and slowly raise it over a couple of growing seasons. I’ve killed a couple of trees from exposing too much of the upper root too early and they dried out and the tree inevitably died.
You make a good point there Jason, and to be honest I didn't even consider the nature of the rock. I was simply judging it on it's color and shape. It will be interesting to see how this tree gets on and how the roots develop.
@@TonysBonsai I would be sure to give it some winter protection this year, perhaps just lay a big handful of spaghnum moss around the top of the pot to cover the exposed roots to protect from cold and frost. They are especially vulnerable in these early days after being put together and initially exposed, but will harden up as they develop and acclimatise.
That makes a lot of sense, and I'll definitely do that. Thanks for the tip mate!
@@TonysBonsai good luck with it. I watch it’s development with interest. I still have a big rock from a failed beech attempt with which will no doubt I need to try again, bearing in mind the lessons learned. 😊
Yup I bury the whole rock and remove around 10mm each winter.
So far my best results was from seedlings, shallow pot with a rock wrap for a few years till root bound then lift angle and shape.
I don't wrap the roots in material as it can be a pain to remove as you raise, a few ornamental rocks on top of the soil holds down and slows evaporation in this early stage, I've found collecting strange rocks for my Bonsai is another obsession.
Great find. Im jellious of your skill and creativity. Thanks for the insperation. Mimicry is a form of flattery. Thats why we learn and adore nature.
Thank you. I am just messing about with some trees in pots and I love the experimentation and the creative side of bonsai. I'm hoping on the future I will end up with some nice trees.
And I cannot let your beautiful pot go by without a comment. I love plasterer's tape also
i will watch this one with interest. i have started a few trees over rock, and it is so tempting to uncover them and check, but i am being strong.
I can image that the urge to investigate is strong Kerry as I already want to look at mine and I only did it a day ago 🤣
Tbh it's not the worst bullseye episode I've ever seen, box over rock. Hope it works out.👌
Cheers Duaine. 101 in six darts or less!
As a nurse I love the idea to use dressing instead of wire to attach the rootage to the stone. And I really laughed about the fact that I haven't even thought about this option before. This will definitley work perfect to support the growing roots. 😂♥️ Thx Tony 🙏
I really like your confidence. I do prefer optimism than pessimism myself!
@@TonysBonsai THX 😘 I like to a be realistic optimist. And regarding to your rootfixing system- you should hurry up to aply for a patent 😂👍 This will work!
I"ve also long term experience with medical dressings in special (as a company emplloyee) and with all my knowledge, I would really wonder, if dressing is not THE SOLUTION for root over the rock all over the world! 👍😃
Thank you Tony, you released this just as I was thinking to do this with my Buxus!
Hi David. Having made this root over rock, I have since seen a video which said that it is actually fine to do root work on a box at this time of year, so I have much more hope that it will do well now.
Good luck with yours!
Definitely the best choice in stone there Tony mate.
Cheers Aron. I think providing the tree makes it, it could look pretty good with the roots against the dark stone.
Roots above ground I try to keep dry, get that bark look happening, I've had a few that have rotted from water trapping between rock and root.
Have to be extra careful with weather turning your stone into a stove or ice block.
Avoid root strangle early and think of the roots 10 times larger.
Spring here in NZ so I'm buzzing over new growth.
✌️❤️🇳🇿
Some excellent points and plenty for me to think about there, although we are lucky here in that it rarely gets too hot or cold. Even the heatwave we had this summer wasn't too bad here. I hope all your trees are sprouting into life!
I think this is a great little project and I hadnt thought of trying anything like this at this time of year. I love the rock and adding to what Jason was saying I do create great results with standard 'hard' rock (from Stronsay). What I do try to do though, is 'mesh' the underside of the rock with the live roots to try to get it to form a basket. So as they thicken they seem to grip all of the rock better. Then, as I remove soil on an annual basic I know I will leave the base of the rock beneath the soil line so it doesnt matter how the criss crossing looks. My only other experience is I found completely covering the base of the trunk and roots helps development in that first year. I find it so frustrating when I do these that I can't see any of the root or rock. I've got quite a few in 2nd year development right now and I have only just exposed the top of the rock and root. My advice is to do loads of them over ths next year rather than just one or two. 😁😁😁
Great advice there mate, I appreciate it, and I am definitely going to have a go at lots of these over the coming months for sure as it does produce wonderful trees. I'm planning hawthorn, field maple, Japanese maple, and oak just for starters!.
I'm looking forward to seeing yours as you begin to remove the soil and reveal the magic!
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Bonsai phill very good video nice shape tree love rootoverrock I have about 12ofthese thanks Tony
I agree Phil. They are one of the best types of bonsai, and I hope to someday catch you up by making many more with lots of different species of tree.
Nice project Tony. Possibly some Sphagnum moss over the exposed roots to protect it during the Winter and expose them next year. However, I'm a fine one to talk - all my Boxwoods have succumbed to the dreaded box blight and I've got none left. Hope yours does well and thrives in the future. 👍👍
That's a good idea Guy. I think I will definitely cover the roots if it gets particularly cold.
It's a shame about your box trees, but i suppose you win some you lose some!
So glad i found your channel Tony. You have helped me decide that i do want to try some bonsai with things i find growing under strange situations already that have been given some help naturally with character. I have a black diamond crepe myrtle that has really good surface root structure to show off. Wish i could share a pic with you but i dont know how to do that . 😘🌱
Hi Carey. Thank you for the lovely message. If I have helped to inspire you to start creating a few bonsai, then I'm very happy.
Nice project. I’m going to give that tape a try in the future. Hopefully working out of season won’t set it back (or worse). My successful root over rocks have been accomplished by initially burying the entire rock. Good luck with yours. Thanks, keep growing
A couple of people have mentioned this technique, so it is definitely an approach I am going to try. Thanks, Matt.
I only have one boxwood, It survived the first repotting but not the second. I was glad to see your video about using dead trees I can't remember the Japanese word for it, wiring New trees to them
Nice video Tony, again you've found a bargain! I have a root over rock Fugi Cherry I done last year, just waiting until winter to lift it out of the soil a little more.
I love fuji cherries. I have one in a pot developing, but I would love one root over rock so i might follow your lead and look out for one in the spring.
I hope yours works well and looks great as you start to reveal the roots.
Another good video. Because of you I started using plasterers tape also. Makes good sense. I was using a sanding pad used by plasterers but the tape offers larger holes. in fact, last night I re-potted 3 trees to remove the old 'screen'. As soon as the nurseries are stocked up and open I'll be looking for some specimens. It's not easy to find weathered trees in the Colorado mountains. The trees usually grow between fissures in the all granite mountains..
Sounds like you are setting yourself the challenge of finding a good material. I love a nice collected tree myself. They have a special quality that is very hard to reproduce.
Hi Tony, gorgeous pot and stone combination. Just be aware that the dark stone might heat up in summer, during direct sun exposition. Roots may not take that well, I suppose. So actually a great opportunity to light up a shady place with this lovley tree. 🙏😘
That's a great point you make there, and I think in the summer it would be wise for me to keep it in the shade. I'll remember that thanks!
I need to find out where you're shopping mate! Another great bargain haha and a lovely project
Lots of bargains over here because everyone is tight! 🤣
I love that you recycle the soil and the wire.. They're just too expensive!
Super, smashin', great! Haven't finished the vid just had to get that in.
🤣You've got the time it takes the board to revolve!
Aww nothin for 2 in a bed, not in this game 😅
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Nice one Tony. Think the only thing I would have done was half way up the soil level I would have added some controlled release fertilizer, especially with it being recycled soil. Apart from that looks great. I think if you made your own tufa rock you could have left loads of nooks and crannies. And the porous nature would have helped the roots.
You make a good point there Kevin. Perhaps I will have a go at making some rocks in the future, but I must admit I do love a lovely natural piece of aged rock. It will be interesting to see how this looks in the future with it being a smooth non-porous stone.
@@TonysBonsai yeah I don't disagree should look nice. I was thinking if you made a big lump of the rock, it could be carved a look more pleasing.
Tony, what about an update on this box. I liked that project.
Good go mate hope it works no reason why not, it will make a nice root over rock in time for no money.
Yeah, Box seem to bounce back pretty well so I think this will make it with a bit of luck!
Interesting. Veterinary tape I find better than raffia or bits of inner tube for padding wiring. It's not fiddly and air gets through it. Never done root-over-rock but I'm thinking of trying a climbing hydrangea up a tall spike of rock, although ivy would be cheaper to fail with.
sounds like a good idea that David although I'm not particularly familiar with hydrangeas and their suitability for bonsai.
@@TonysBonsai Nope, no idea about hydrangeas. I've a normal-size one that climbs over the coal shed. Lovely fissured bark. I'll have a go.
Very nice
Very interesting project again Tony!! I m curious how it will develop!! I did a root over rock planting with a Yew early in march. In the beginning it went very well, but then i drowned the poor plant, didn't realise that yew likes his feet dry, as I like also.
I have a few yes, and I have been treating them like all my other trees, but I do find that they definitely appreciate a well-draining soil,
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Being trained in A and E would be a good thing for me. Sharp things give me trouble
Whenever we have blood drawn they put pink vet tape around the spot. I am saving it
The project is cool. I want to do it., Perhaps the burst is applied to Ficus trees. thank you.
Root over rock works really well with ficus. #nigelsaunders is the ficus master!
@@TonysBonsai thank you ..
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I found it, Tanuki!
Another great video might give that a try 👍 quick question what soil/compost is best for the English Oak?
Thanks. I use my normal bonsai soil which contains 1/4 compost. I have heard that they do like some organic matter in their soil more so than other species.
@@TonysBonsai thank you
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I love boxwood bonsai but they seem to take extra slow to thicken, I have one I grew from a cutting 8 years ago in a good sized pot and its still only 3 pencil thickness or so.
Do you happen to have any Ficus trees in bonsai training? I have more than I should (considering they need to be protected inside during winter) and they are so satisfying as root over rock bonsai.
Yes, they are a really slow growing plant. As you say, they can be in teh ground for 20 years and still not grow all that much. Good job I'm not in a rush!
I don;t have eny tropical trees at all no. I don't really have any indoor space for them, and all that indoor/outdoor moving isn't for me. Although as you say, they do make amazing root over rocks. I love Nigel Sounders aerial root ficus trees.
We don't have bullseye here but we do have the wheel of fortune if that will do. Vanna White is getting a little long in the tooth but aren't we all?
Is there a season that most optimal for this? I have a schefflera I want to try this with.
Hi, I'm afrain I know nothing about scheffiera, so I can't really advise, but I suspect spring is the best time of year.
I planted a little strangler fig in a hole in a rock. So I guess it would be roots in rock?
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And I will never have a lack of the raw material for tanuki. the dead raw material
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Well spotted! A hidden message to all my subscribers! 🤣🤣
@@TonysBonsai All your non subs you mean :D