We have the BMPCC4k and it's fantastic! Another great thing about it is that it can record straight to an external drive (we use a samsung T5 1TB) which is by far the most cost effective way to store things. Also, the USB-c connection is so fast, you can edit the raw video straight off of the drive.
I was a newspaper photographer for 35 years before I retired. Now I shoot our church videos and if there is one thing I have learned, stealth is key when shooting in a worship environment. The Blackmagic URSA is not stealthy. It's heavy and expensive. But, to each his own. My feeling is I do not want to interfere if someone is contemplating giving their life to the Lord. If a video camera is going to intimidate them, then I need to be invisible. I use two cameras: 1), the Sony A9. It is a low light monster and shoots incredible stills in poor light. And, 2) the Sony A6600. It's small form factor making it ideal to move about and capture great video. I'm not concerned if it looks cinematic. We've been conditioned by many that this is the way to go; not necessarily. The idea is to bring God's word to those who can't be at church, illness, out of town, etc., but I still advocate we go to church and have fellowship with other Christians, always. I use a Rode Wireless Go with our Pastors and it is awesome. Preachers move around a lot and with this audio setup, it doesn't matter where they walk or which direction. The Rode picks up their voices without a hitch.The two cameras I use track beautifully, especially the A6600 which still can focus track using an Atomos Ninja V. Also, with these two cameras, we can livestream to TH-cam or Facebook using the Elgato 4K Cam link. I do appreciate you sharing, thanks.
The Panasonic g85 is really good as well due to its ability to do 4K and 1080p with no time limit for a dslr/mirrorless camera this is unheard of for a camera at just $700 with a kit lens. And only $150 for 45-150mm lens or 25mm 1.7 lens. An entire setup with tripod and everything can cost around $1000-1100. It also has in body image stabilization. I personally use this camera at our church and love it. If you feel like the options are to expensive in this video this is a great alternative.
Definitely need a camera for smaller budgets...$500 to $1000 range: 4k, HMDI, wi-fi but with great video quality. These suggestions are above and beyond our budget.
I recommend the C200 over the BMD 4.6k. When It comes to livestreaming Autofocus is so important with so many moving pieces. Also It can use a rather small battery(compared to BMD 4k) that lasts a very long time, so it is great for B-roll. Also the C200 dropped in price like crazy recently(bummer for me because I already had it) I bought it at $7500, and now it is at $5499 on B&H.
Great review for these cameras! I use the Pocket 6k, C200, and the EOS R for all of our content, photo and video at Midwestern Seminary. The 6k is a beast but is an absolute data hog. One project or event can easily get up to 300-500gb no problem when shooting in BRAW 6k, so if you are considering this camera, be ready to have a solution for storage. The R is an absolute beast and I was very surprised that it is now my favorite photo camera. I also agree that if I need a project done quick and clean, I will absolutely lean more towards the R over the BMPCC6k or the c200. However, if you want the look of a cinema camera then the BM6k is absolutely worth all of the bulk that comes with it. Image is sharp, clean, and very usable, even at 4K proress 422. Just some thoughts from a 6k owner and an R owner. Keep it up and no matter just remember to keep making content.
Awesome stuff. Was wondering why you didn't recommend the GH5, but I see the Canon as a better option offering the full frame and significantly better photos (oh and of course, better auto-focus on the Canon). Great content. New Sub. Thanks for doing what you do. GOD Bless.
Brady, love your stuff, and maybe I am wrong here, but I think most churches, at least initially, are more focused on putting services on the internet rather than shooting video spots. Only one camera you mention is really useful for that. Being a smaller church, we use the same cameras for recording on Sunday as we do for shooting interviews and other footage. Since we are 80-90% live services and only about 10-20% special shooting, we erred on getting something that would meet that need. Also, our sanctuary puts our cameras about 70 feet from the stage as to not be a distraction. This means long zoom lenses and para focal is a huge plus. We have been very happy with camcorders, in this case, our XF400/GX10 Canon cameras. 4K is great and low light with 1" sensor looks nice without lots of graininess. These run about $2k and work out of the box with no lenses. A great choice for churches without a higher-end videographer. They are simple to use and once configured work reliably every week. The connections to the BMD TV Studio 4K make IMAG and recording easy for our team. Combine with a Bescor PT mount and a remote Lanc and we have found a decent way to shoot high-quality video in a live setting that works well for our periodic for spots. Hopefully, we can do more spots in the future, but it requires lots more time and effort.
You're correct. Churches are certainly more interested in broadcasting their services than storytelling and social media content. I couldn't disagree more with that approach and have been quite vocal about it for many years.
@@prochurchtools Totally agree that live streaming is of dubious value. However, after watching this for a year, we have found two benefits of recording a sermon video. 1. Posting the sermon Monday morning helps to engage people who aren't able to attend and also (as a surprise to us) has been a factor for new people coming in the door. People know what to expect and often watch several videos before attending. This could just be our demographic. 2. We take a short clip from the sermon and share it on social media. This has had significantly more reach than we expected, again boosting first-time visitors. Before, we had no content. Now that we are recoding, we have some content to work with and the ongoing cost of support is low. Feels like good bang for the buck and we can grow into other strategies as we get better at doing video. We are seeing strong growth with this as one of our primary strategies.
One thing to note about the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera (both the 4K & 6K) is that battery life sucks. You'll need to purchase a portable power solution to use it for a lengthy duration.
Good point. Another weakness. It's so *much* better than the original BMPCC. So sometimes I forget that, compared to most cameras, it still struggles there.
We have a GH5 and it is my first love (of cameras). It also takes decent photos, and the auto-focus is worlds better than it was when the camera was first released (though still not quite reliable enough for fast subjects).
Considering that the ultra-thirsty BMPCC uses the same sort of batteries that could make midrange Canon cameras last 2ish hours, I think you also need to get at least a massive DTap battery just to last the whole mass P.s. I can tell that my rampant camera review binge brought this video to my feed...because I’m not a Christian :|
If you're recording, the batteries last about 45 minutes (at least with RAW video), so yeah...either an outlet or an external pack are needed. There is an external pack that can be had for about 100 (not a v-mount - I think the Make Art Now channel did a thing about it as well as Gerald undone). You do need to rig the BMPCC4k out a little more, but it is possible to use it without rigging it out - it's just more limited.
so quick question then - is the ursa the only camera you referenced in this video for production/live stream ? we have a atem 4k-me1 switcher and want to add 2 new camera's on stage decks in the back of the room. we currently have a canon xc10 and a sony pxw-x70. as far as I want to liquidate the sony and get 2 more canon's. I was looking at the xa55's but the eosR keeps coming up, but then in this video you say its not really a live stream/production option. i have watched several other church's and the are using gh5's and the likes. just trying to figure out if i need an eosR or the xa55 or something else.......... thanks in advance !! love the vids and glad Jake had you on.
Hello Brady, We're so grateful for your channel. We're a church in Tokyo and thinking of getting the BMPCC 4K for a multipurpose use. Would you recommend this mostly for sermon recordings or some other camera for sermons?
hi, would you remake this kind of video for 2023? maybe give a tought about panasonic's camera like s5 ii or sony's camera like fx3, a7siii, a7iv. thankyou
Why do you say the Canon EOS R is not suited for live production or streaming. We were about to buy 3 of them for live streaming our services. We were going to hook them up to an Atem mini pro for switching. Why don't you think they are suitable? And if not, what would you recommend in their place?
You said that you use the URSA for live production at your church as well? Can you comment on that setup at all? Lens choice for broadcast, etc. I am looking to replace our old 2/3" Sonys with that camera. Thanks!
Hey Brady, I have a Canon M6 Mark ii, but I want to find a good lens or lenses I should use for church livestreaming. Do you have any recommendations? I have a fixed lens, the Sigma 16 mm but I want a better lens for livestreaming purposes. Something that can zoom in and out with high quality.
Hey Brady! Great video! Churches are notoriously dark (especially during worship), so does the m43 sensor of the BMPCC4K limit y'all? Does the speedbooster totally make up for that? Just wondering your thoughts! We just purchased some gear and were going back and forth between the BMPCC6K and the Lumix S1H, and ultimately went with the S1H.
Great video, Brady! Quick question: Is there a cheaper lens option for the EOS R that is still decent quality? I haven't done much camera purchasing outside of the basic DSLR's and was shocked that the image stabilizing lens cost even more than the body. $1,800 sounds nice but it's really over $4k with the lens. Again, I am just wondering of a less expensive lens that could be maybe paired with other equipment on this camera to curb any camera shake and still have great looking video? Thanks.
My church is looking to upgrade our live stream cameras. Our cameras are set about 60 feet away from the stage. We never move the cameras from their position on the stands. Their only purpose is the live video stream so low light is key. Our budget is around $1,500 any advice?
Maybe you can assist, I am currently using Canon G50 and XF1000 for livestream. Both work well but due the distance from where they are located. I can only get a knee up medium shot at full zoom (approx 80 ft shot). Looking for a setup that that will allow more zoom and good quality recording.
Hey I’m hoping you can help us out with the correct lens to get. We just got a great deal on Ursa mini 4K but need to find the right lens. The camera will be around 50 to 75 feet from the stage in low light. Thanks so much!
any of those cameras are suitable for shooting projects to edit. As a seasoned professional who's worked for some pretty big Churches, I cannot imagine using ANY of those cameras in a muti-cam live or "Live to Tape (disk)" situation for instance capturing church services.
RichNationProds I use my EOS R on a almost a daily basis with my EF adapter. I use it for both client work and church work it edits just fine. The one thing he forgot to say about the R is that is can film video in C-Log. This gives you way more range in post.
RichNationProds I use my EOS R on a almost a daily basis with my EF adapter. I use it for both client work and church work it edits just fine. The one thing he forgot to say about the R is that is can film video in C-Log. This gives you way more range in post.
I can see that for the Pocket 4k and R... But the UMP? It's compatible with B4 lenses, has 12G-SDI, has an optional CCU panel, studio viewfinder, tally lights, integrated intercom, etc. Several large churches use them for broadcast. It may not be as good at multicam broadcast as a purpose built $30k studio camera, but it's far from unusable in that scenario. Especially in churches.
I'm a former pastor and now a videographer and web designer. A local churched asked me to consult with them for their ongoing live streaming, and they want to step it up a notch. Could you recommend a camera body specifically for streaming within a sanctuary?
How about recommendations for a live stream camera for under $500? We are a small church and right now live streaming from a cell phone. The picture isn't terrible but the audio is.
I thought you're describing a camera for small church live service, you left out GH5 which is more than capable even GH4 is better for live event compare to BM4K and the EOSR, I would thought you will still include canon C100, what is the point if they can't so live event
The GH5 is an outstanding camera! But the Pocket 4K is much better for live streaming. It has tally lights, natively integrates with all Blackmagic live streaming hardware like their line of ATEMs, has pro-level codecs, and XLR inputs. As for the C100, that camera has been outclassed by other Canon Cinema cameras at this point. If you're looking for more info on the Pocket 4K as a great live streaming option, here's a more recent video I did on that: th-cam.com/video/fQYeRBJl-dY/w-d-xo.html
Great review, thank you Brady.. although I don’t agree that the bmpcc isn’t a good option for streaming.. I understand it’s most likely the lack of sdi that may be the reason for this statement. But the hdmi can be converted to sdi with an inexpensive adapter.. also a lot of smaller churches, like my own, may opt for the ATEM mini which is hdmi only or the ATEM tv HD, which has both sdi & hdmi. We couple the ATEM mini with the inexpensive Epiphan Webcaster X2 encoder for streaming. This makes just about any camera with a clean hdmi output an option for streaming. The bmpcc 4k or a GH5 would be wonderful streaming options in our configuration. Currently we’re using a Sony pxw-x90 and a lumix S1 as our cameras.. they work perfectly.
That's helpful to know, Jake. I'm not an expert with live production by any means - so when a camera isn't made with that usage in mind, I tend not to recommend it. But it's true that the lines between broadcast and narrative are getting slimmer as more tech is released that allows for wider uses of cameras.
Never mind, I saw a later comment about the firmware upgrade fixing the problem. Would love to know what changed in the firmware to make it work for streaming.
There are a couple of reasons, but with two cameras like that, it really comes down to your unique needs - and we're starting to split hairs. This video does an excellent job of comparing the two: th-cam.com/video/vBr_oEL9jws/w-d-xo.html
You mentioned that the Pocket 4k is not good for live production/streaming. Paired with the URSA G2, Bethel Church uses many Pocket 4k's and 6k's (paired with a wireless system) for their IMAG and streaming needs. You can see their full arsenal in this video: th-cam.com/video/USDXNWG9iKo/w-d-xo.html
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer We looked at the BMD mini pro for a recent camera purchase. We went with Sony FS7 although I liked the BMD cam and have owned one in the past. One thing worth mentioning is the superb metadata management that the BMD has. Most churches do little in the way of keeping a video library. But that can be valuable in promoting various events in the life of the church. Use this years footage to promote next year’s events. BMD CAMERA makes it easy to keep up with your footage through an insane number of tags recorded on the footage itself. SONY doesn’t hold a candle to BMD.
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer thank you! Do you think the 85mm could be a good one as a workhorse for church services? I got the bmpcc because of your recommendation and wanted to get some type of second camera
Someone I trust when it comes to live streaming recently put out some information on how the BMPCC 4K might actually be a great fit for streaming. You can find it on his website: www.joelwsmith.com
SOONNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. sorry just had to say that. 4k, great color, amazing autofocus, in camera stabilization. Sony a6500 ftw. Super helpful video! Currently trying to figure out things with being able to zoom during a live production
I am curious...could you tell me how long the two cameras will record video before turning off and do either of them overheat when shooting more than 30 mins? Thank you in advance.
The Blackmagic cameras can record indefinitely. The biggest thing holding you back would be recording space on your cards and as long as your card is able to sustain write speeds. But we're talking hours and hours. As for the EOS R, there's a 30-minute record limit. And like I say in the video, using an external recorder can bypass this.
When I watch some of the films shot on a high level IPhone I wonder what significant benefit these cameras offer the average church. How would you respond?
Sensor size. Audio inputs. Changeable lenses. Form factor. Codec options. Just a few off the top of my head. The iPhone 12 Pro Max took some big leaps forward though and the gap is closing. Which is great news for all creatives and storytellers! More capable tools that are accessible to more people.
@@prochurchtools Continous autofocus is not a deal breaker for live streaming? We have a pocket 4k and the image is stunning but the lack of continous autofocus makes me want to go to the GH5
Tyler Storz It has a recording limit of about thirty minutes so that would be a challenge. You can get external recorders to bypass this, but that creates an extra expense.
Man what about Camera Setups that is affordable for a small church that don't have that type of budget, I get cameras are expensive but man (thanks for the info )
Although these cameras are really good there is a very big issue when you recommend cameras like this. Most churches don't have professional cameraman. And your cheapest camera which is the Canon EOS R with the lens runs about $4000. A better solution is a Nikon Z6. A cost about $2300 including a lens and it has image stabilization. It can be used to do professional cinematic shoot as well as live streaming. And the color science that comes out of it is much better.
The Nocturne Brain When my Canadian church plant launched we spent about $2K on our first camera. We were a church of about 100 at the time. That’s the cost of the body for #2 and #3 on this list. Not saying that every church can afford every camera, but it generally comes down to priorities, not ability.
@@prochurchtools after $10K of audio and stage set up on a 60yr old lutheran church just now into a modern service 1.5 yrs, there is noooo way I could even think of playing in your fields of grandeur. I'm fighting just to get these people to follow on their own church instagram and we just a got a behringer x32. Hows that for a paradigm. :)
The Nocturne Brain The great news is the gap between these cameras and your phone is smaller than it’s ever been. These cameras are a luxury for content creation.
@@prochurchtools I have my Canon EOS 60D, I cant complain other than its MINE, not the church's :) hmmm come to think of it, the drum set is mine, the bass amp is mine, the guitar amp is mine, the korg stage piano is mine, the lighting is mine... So you can see, I will never see a budget allowance for one of these cameras let alone the Turbosound subs I want for FOH :)
I found the opposite! In the first 3 seconds, I was shocked by how obviously over-compressed the audio sounds. Victim of the loudness wars? It is about as loud-sounding as you can possibly get. Is that what you are noticing?
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We have the BMPCC4k and it's fantastic! Another great thing about it is that it can record straight to an external drive (we use a samsung T5 1TB) which is by far the most cost effective way to store things. Also, the USB-c connection is so fast, you can edit the raw video straight off of the drive.
What do you use for audio
I was a newspaper photographer for 35 years before I retired. Now I shoot our church videos and if there is one thing I have learned, stealth is key when shooting in a worship environment. The Blackmagic URSA is not stealthy. It's heavy and expensive. But, to each his own.
My feeling is I do not want to interfere if someone is contemplating giving their life to the Lord. If a video camera is going to intimidate them, then I need to be invisible. I use two cameras: 1), the Sony A9. It is a low light monster and shoots incredible stills in poor light. And, 2) the Sony A6600. It's small form factor making it ideal to move about and capture great video. I'm not concerned if it looks cinematic. We've been conditioned by many that this is the way to go; not necessarily. The idea is to bring God's word to those who can't be at church, illness, out of town, etc., but I still advocate we go to church and have fellowship with other Christians, always. I use a Rode Wireless Go with our Pastors and it is awesome. Preachers move around a lot and with this audio setup, it doesn't matter where they walk or which direction. The Rode picks up their voices without a hitch.The two cameras I use track beautifully, especially the A6600 which still can focus track using an Atomos Ninja V. Also, with these two cameras, we can livestream to TH-cam or Facebook using the Elgato 4K Cam link. I do appreciate you sharing, thanks.
when u live stream with those cameras do they overheat or do fine the entire 1-2 hrs of church service
The Panasonic g85 is really good as well due to its ability to do 4K and 1080p with no time limit for a dslr/mirrorless camera this is unheard of for a camera at just $700 with a kit lens. And only $150 for 45-150mm lens or 25mm 1.7 lens. An entire setup with tripod and everything can cost around $1000-1100. It also has in body image stabilization. I personally use this camera at our church and love it. If you feel like the options are to expensive in this video this is a great alternative.
Just Superb. I showed this to my pastor. Thank You .
Thanks for watching William!
Outstanding information! 🙂
Definitely need a camera for smaller budgets...$500 to $1000 range: 4k, HMDI, wi-fi but with great video quality. These suggestions are above and beyond our budget.
This is from last week 👍 3 Camera Setups UNDER $1,000 For Churches! [2021 EDITION]: th-cam.com/video/xHJmgnkHTrk/w-d-xo.html
This would be a huge help for weddings as well
I recommend the C200 over the BMD 4.6k. When It comes to livestreaming Autofocus is so important with so many moving pieces. Also It can use a rather small battery(compared to BMD 4k) that lasts a very long time, so it is great for B-roll. Also the C200 dropped in price like crazy recently(bummer for me because I already had it) I bought it at $7500, and now it is at $5499 on B&H.
Great review for these cameras! I use the Pocket 6k, C200, and the EOS R for all of our content, photo and video at Midwestern Seminary. The 6k is a beast but is an absolute data hog. One project or event can easily get up to 300-500gb no problem when shooting in BRAW 6k, so if you are considering this camera, be ready to have a solution for storage. The R is an absolute beast and I was very surprised that it is now my favorite photo camera. I also agree that if I need a project done quick and clean, I will absolutely lean more towards the R over the BMPCC6k or the c200. However, if you want the look of a cinema camera then the BM6k is absolutely worth all of the bulk that comes with it. Image is sharp, clean, and very usable, even at 4K proress 422. Just some thoughts from a 6k owner and an R owner. Keep it up and no matter just remember to keep making content.
Adventures for Days great additions! Thanks for adding those.
Thanks for the video brother. Love from India
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Awesome stuff. Was wondering why you didn't recommend the GH5, but I see the Canon as a better option offering the full frame and significantly better photos (oh and of course, better auto-focus on the Canon). Great content. New Sub. Thanks for doing what you do. GOD Bless.
Exactly what I need for my Ministry and we look forward to doing business with you
Brady, love your stuff, and maybe I am wrong here, but I think most churches, at least initially, are more focused on putting services on the internet rather than shooting video spots. Only one camera you mention is really useful for that.
Being a smaller church, we use the same cameras for recording on Sunday as we do for shooting interviews and other footage. Since we are 80-90% live services and only about 10-20% special shooting, we erred on getting something that would meet that need. Also, our sanctuary puts our cameras about 70 feet from the stage as to not be a distraction. This means long zoom lenses and para focal is a huge plus.
We have been very happy with camcorders, in this case, our XF400/GX10 Canon cameras. 4K is great and low light with 1" sensor looks nice without lots of graininess. These run about $2k and work out of the box with no lenses. A great choice for churches without a higher-end videographer. They are simple to use and once configured work reliably every week. The connections to the BMD TV Studio 4K make IMAG and recording easy for our team. Combine with a Bescor PT mount and a remote Lanc and we have found a decent way to shoot high-quality video in a live setting that works well for our periodic for spots. Hopefully, we can do more spots in the future, but it requires lots more time and effort.
You're correct. Churches are certainly more interested in broadcasting their services than storytelling and social media content. I couldn't disagree more with that approach and have been quite vocal about it for many years.
@@prochurchtools Totally agree that live streaming is of dubious value. However, after watching this for a year, we have found two benefits of recording a sermon video.
1. Posting the sermon Monday morning helps to engage people who aren't able to attend and also (as a surprise to us) has been a factor for new people coming in the door. People know what to expect and often watch several videos before attending. This could just be our demographic.
2. We take a short clip from the sermon and share it on social media. This has had significantly more reach than we expected, again boosting first-time visitors.
Before, we had no content. Now that we are recoding, we have some content to work with and the ongoing cost of support is low. Feels like good bang for the buck and we can grow into other strategies as we get better at doing video.
We are seeing strong growth with this as one of our primary strategies.
Grant Erickson I totally agree. These are great! And I would use these cameras to do that.
One thing to note about the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera (both the 4K & 6K) is that battery life sucks. You'll need to purchase a portable power solution to use it for a lengthy duration.
Good point. Another weakness. It's so *much* better than the original BMPCC. So sometimes I forget that, compared to most cameras, it still struggles there.
Nikon’s are known to have the edge on Canon for lowlight
GH5 w/speedbooster is a good alternative as well, even for live streaming. Just throwin it out there 😉
Does the GH5 overlay controls in HDMI?
Shane Spencer Yes, all your info shows on your director monitor. But there is a setting for a clean output.
@@brandonpetrykowski dope! Thanks!
We have a GH5 and it is my first love (of cameras). It also takes decent photos, and the auto-focus is worlds better than it was when the camera was first released (though still not quite reliable enough for fast subjects).
Can you expand on why the black magic pocket 4K and canon eos r are not suitable for live stream please?
Considering that the ultra-thirsty BMPCC uses the same sort of batteries that could make midrange Canon cameras last 2ish hours, I think you also need to get at least a massive DTap battery just to last the whole mass
P.s. I can tell that my rampant camera review binge brought this video to my feed...because I’m not a Christian :|
If you're recording, the batteries last about 45 minutes (at least with RAW video), so yeah...either an outlet or an external pack are needed. There is an external pack that can be had for about 100 (not a v-mount - I think the Make Art Now channel did a thing about it as well as Gerald undone). You do need to rig the BMPCC4k out a little more, but it is possible to use it without rigging it out - it's just more limited.
so quick question then - is the ursa the only camera you referenced in this video for production/live stream ? we have a atem 4k-me1 switcher and want to add 2 new camera's on stage decks in the back of the room. we currently have a canon xc10 and a sony pxw-x70. as far as I want to liquidate the sony and get 2 more canon's. I was looking at the xa55's but the eosR keeps coming up, but then in this video you say its not really a live stream/production option. i have watched several other church's and the are using gh5's and the likes. just trying to figure out if i need an eosR or the xa55 or something else.......... thanks in advance !! love the vids and glad Jake had you on.
Hey Dave - live streaming isn't my main area of expertise. I would recommend checking out: www.joelwsmith.com for live stream suggestions 😊
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WOW great site - thanks !
Hello Brady, We're so grateful for your channel. We're a church in Tokyo and thinking of getting the BMPCC 4K for a multipurpose use. Would you recommend this mostly for sermon recordings or some other camera for sermons?
Very valuable info 💯
Thanks for the comment!
Why are the black magic cameras not great for live streaming?
They’re great now! A firmware update from Blackmagic in April totally changed the game! th-cam.com/video/LrZ7WFGHaLg/w-d-xo.html
thanks for the video
hi, would you remake this kind of video for 2023? maybe give a tought about panasonic's camera like s5 ii or sony's camera like fx3, a7siii, a7iv. thankyou
That's a great idea! I did one on my Instagram this year that's worth checking out here: instagram.com/p/CqndGpogHv7/
Great info. What about remote access, control of any of these cameras? This would be great as to Sunday morning recordings in the church.
Thanks for this video! What mic(s) did you use for this video?? So clean!
Why do you say the Canon EOS R is not suited for live production or streaming. We were about to buy 3 of them for live streaming our services. We were going to hook them up to an Atem mini pro for switching. Why don't you think they are suitable? And if not, what would you recommend in their place?
Soooo....which cheaper option is suitable for livestream?
You said that you use the URSA for live production at your church as well? Can you comment on that setup at all? Lens choice for broadcast, etc. I am looking to replace our old 2/3" Sonys with that camera. Thanks!
Hey Brady, I have a Canon M6 Mark ii, but I want to find a good lens or lenses I should use for church livestreaming. Do you have any recommendations? I have a fixed lens, the Sigma 16 mm but I want a better lens for livestreaming purposes. Something that can zoom in and out with high quality.
Hey Brady! Great video! Churches are notoriously dark (especially during worship), so does the m43 sensor of the BMPCC4K limit y'all? Does the speedbooster totally make up for that? Just wondering your thoughts! We just purchased some gear and were going back and forth between the BMPCC6K and the Lumix S1H, and ultimately went with the S1H.
I've found the BMPCC pretty good in low light situations. We shoot a ton in low light and it's never been an issue.
Great video. What camera was this video shot on?
Ben Debayle URSA Mini 4.6K (the OG - not the Pro)
what about Panasonic AG-CX10? especially vs the BLM Pocket 4K
Off-topic...But where did you film the talking head portions of this video? This looks like a beautiful space.
This was filmed in our office! 😊
Great video, Brady! Quick question: Is there a cheaper lens option for the EOS R that is still decent quality? I haven't done much camera purchasing outside of the basic DSLR's and was shocked that the image stabilizing lens cost even more than the body. $1,800 sounds nice but it's really over $4k with the lens.
Again, I am just wondering of a less expensive lens that could be maybe paired with other equipment on this camera to curb any camera shake and still have great looking video? Thanks.
Absolutely. With an adapter you can open up your options to virtually any lens.
My church is looking to upgrade our live stream cameras. Our cameras are set about 60 feet away from the stage. We never move the cameras from their position on the stands. Their only purpose is the live video stream so low light is key. Our budget is around $1,500 any advice?
why isnt BMPC 4K not good for live production? (i presume you mean live streaming right?)
Maybe you can assist, I am currently using Canon G50 and XF1000 for livestream. Both work well but due the distance from where they are located. I can only get a knee up medium shot at full zoom (approx 80 ft shot). Looking for a setup that that will allow more zoom and good quality recording.
Hey I’m hoping you can help us out with the correct lens to get. We just got a great deal on Ursa mini 4K but need to find the right lens. The camera will be around 50 to 75 feet from the stage in low light. Thanks so much!
what tripod do you recommend for the black magic 4k camera. Looking to live stream with 3 of them.
What do you think of the a7siii
any of those cameras are suitable for shooting projects to edit. As a seasoned professional who's worked for some pretty big Churches, I cannot imagine using ANY of those cameras in a muti-cam live or "Live to Tape (disk)" situation for instance capturing church services.
RichNationProds I use my EOS R on a almost a daily basis with my EF adapter. I use it for both client work and church work it edits just fine. The one thing he forgot to say about the R is that is can film video in C-Log. This gives you way more range in post.
RichNationProds I use my EOS R on a almost a daily basis with my EF adapter. I use it for both client work and church work it edits just fine. The one thing he forgot to say about the R is that is can film video in C-Log. This gives you way more range in post.
@@SuperHappyGiantRobot I gotcha I'm not talking about single cam stuff u edit but rather capturing a complete 1-2 hrs church service.
I can see that for the Pocket 4k and R... But the UMP? It's compatible with B4 lenses, has 12G-SDI, has an optional CCU panel, studio viewfinder, tally lights, integrated intercom, etc. Several large churches use them for broadcast.
It may not be as good at multicam broadcast as a purpose built $30k studio camera, but it's far from unusable in that scenario. Especially in churches.
Hello, what lens would you recommend for an EFS mount Canon Rebel SL3 for social media shoots?
brady, what lenses does your church use with Ursa pro (broadcast)
My question is when I connect my canon EOS 80d to my ATEM the live display doesn’t showcase on the camera display screen. Can you help?
I'm a former pastor and now a videographer and web designer. A local churched asked me to consult with them for their ongoing live streaming, and they want to step it up a notch. Could you recommend a camera body specifically for streaming within a sanctuary?
What lens or lenses do you recommend with the Ursa mini for live production and live streaming?
How about recommendations for a live stream camera for under $500? We are a small church and right now live streaming from a cell phone. The picture isn't terrible but the audio is.
You might want to check out some of my friend Joel's content for more live streaming recommendations: www.joelwsmith.com
what model rode mic are you using on the canon?
Rode VideoMic Pro Plus
Hello, is there any cameras that I can buy for the church that I go to. We really need one to reach our families and friends back home.
Best camera for churches but he mentions that not any of them is for live production/streaming
Yeah, I was looking for that answer too.
I thought you're describing a camera for small church live service, you left out GH5 which is more than capable even GH4 is better for live event compare to BM4K and the EOSR, I would thought you will still include canon C100, what is the point if they can't so live event
The GH5 is an outstanding camera! But the Pocket 4K is much better for live streaming. It has tally lights, natively integrates with all Blackmagic live streaming hardware like their line of ATEMs, has pro-level codecs, and XLR inputs. As for the C100, that camera has been outclassed by other Canon Cinema cameras at this point. If you're looking for more info on the Pocket 4K as a great live streaming option, here's a more recent video I did on that: th-cam.com/video/fQYeRBJl-dY/w-d-xo.html
What about canon eos rp vs the eos r? Ty
Great review, thank you Brady.. although I don’t agree that the bmpcc isn’t a good option for streaming.. I understand it’s most likely the lack of sdi that may be the reason for this statement. But the hdmi can be converted to sdi with an inexpensive adapter.. also a lot of smaller churches, like my own, may opt for the ATEM mini which is hdmi only or the ATEM tv HD, which has both sdi & hdmi.
We couple the ATEM mini with the inexpensive Epiphan Webcaster X2 encoder for streaming. This makes just about any camera with a clean hdmi output an option for streaming. The bmpcc 4k or a GH5 would be wonderful streaming options in our configuration.
Currently we’re using a Sony pxw-x90 and a lumix S1 as our cameras.. they work perfectly.
That's helpful to know, Jake. I'm not an expert with live production by any means - so when a camera isn't made with that usage in mind, I tend not to recommend it. But it's true that the lines between broadcast and narrative are getting slimmer as more tech is released that allows for wider uses of cameras.
Does the Black Magic only allow you to edit on DaVinci?
Why isn't the pocket 4k good for live streaming? How about the 2k?
Never mind, I saw a later comment about the firmware upgrade fixing the problem. Would love to know what changed in the firmware to make it work for streaming.
Does the brand name Blackmagic not concern you guys?
How does the $500 price drop on the Pocket 6k and the addition of camera control to the BMD Atem Mini for both pocket cameras change your analysis?
Damion Dunlap A bunch! th-cam.com/video/LrZ7WFGHaLg/w-d-xo.html
how about the canon 6d mark ii? it gives you access to all canon's glass
There are a couple of reasons, but with two cameras like that, it really comes down to your unique needs - and we're starting to split hairs. This video does an excellent job of comparing the two: th-cam.com/video/vBr_oEL9jws/w-d-xo.html
You mentioned that the Pocket 4k is not good for live production/streaming. Paired with the URSA G2, Bethel Church uses many Pocket 4k's and 6k's (paired with a wireless system) for their IMAG and streaming needs. You can see their full arsenal in this video: th-cam.com/video/USDXNWG9iKo/w-d-xo.html
Not to pick but the connection on the URSA Mini Pro is an SDI (Serial Digital Interface) not SGI (which I have no idea about).
Yeah, I tripped up on my words. There's an asterisk on the screen that corrects it.
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer there ya go! I missed that.
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer I like what you do. I’m a video producer in Atlanta. My focus is helping corporations communicate.
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer We looked at the BMD mini pro for a recent camera purchase. We went with Sony FS7 although I liked the BMD cam and have owned one in the past. One thing worth mentioning is the superb metadata management that the BMD has. Most churches do little in the way of keeping a video library. But that can be valuable in promoting various events in the life of the church. Use this years footage to promote next year’s events. BMD CAMERA makes it easy to keep up with your footage through an insane number of tags recorded on the footage itself. SONY doesn’t hold a candle to BMD.
What lense are you using on the Ursa mini pro?
Usually Rokinon Cine lenses.
Pro Church Tools with Brady Shearer thank you! Do you think the 85mm could be a good one as a workhorse for church services? I got the bmpcc because of your recommendation and wanted to get some type of second camera
What do you mean that the Blackmagic Pocket 4K is not suiting for Live production? What does that mean exactly?
Someone I trust when it comes to live streaming recently put out some information on how the BMPCC 4K might actually be a great fit for streaming. You can find it on his website: www.joelwsmith.com
SOONNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. sorry just had to say that. 4k, great color, amazing autofocus, in camera stabilization. Sony a6500 ftw. Super helpful video! Currently trying to figure out things with being able to zoom during a live production
The XL speed booster would work better with that full-frame glass.
I am curious...could you tell me how long the two cameras will record video before turning off and do either of them overheat when shooting more than 30 mins? Thank you in advance.
The Blackmagic cameras can record indefinitely. The biggest thing holding you back would be recording space on your cards and as long as your card is able to sustain write speeds. But we're talking hours and hours.
As for the EOS R, there's a 30-minute record limit. And like I say in the video, using an external recorder can bypass this.
@@prochurchtools Thank you!
Is the EOS R a good camera for Facebook live?
I'm the pastor of a VERY SMALL CHURCH ⛪
Please help!!!!
When I watch some of the films shot on a high level IPhone I wonder what significant benefit these cameras offer the average church. How would you respond?
Sensor size. Audio inputs. Changeable lenses. Form factor. Codec options. Just a few off the top of my head.
The iPhone 12 Pro Max took some big leaps forward though and the gap is closing. Which is great news for all creatives and storytellers! More capable tools that are accessible to more people.
@@prochurchtools Thanks!
What lens do you recommend for live streaming with the black magic pocket cinema?
Did you ever find an answer for this?
Naveen Bhatti, Jr. Yes thank you
Why is it not suited for live production
Can you buy me a t5i please
With the quality coming from the Ursa Mini you could have done that with a camera 3x less.
Lol, your thumbnail shows the EXACT same camera I use. Except I do have a GH5 and GH4 thrown in the mix.
Yeah, the GH4 and GH5 were the cameras we had before these and shot extensively with them. But now I wouldn't wanna go back to them.
@@prochurchtools Continous autofocus is not a deal breaker for live streaming? We have a pocket 4k and the image is stunning but the lack of continous autofocus makes me want to go to the GH5
Brady, how would the Canon EOS R do recording sermons?
Tyler Storz It has a recording limit of about thirty minutes so that would be a challenge. You can get external recorders to bypass this, but that creates an extra expense.
@@prochurchtools Oh I didn't know you could do that. Thanks for the knowledge. I'm new to DSLRs, can you give an example of an external recorder?
Tyler Storz Atomos Ninja V
@@prochurchtools Thanks! $600 is certainly an "additional expense" 😂
Man what about Camera Setups that is affordable for a small church that don't have that type of budget, I get cameras are expensive but man (thanks for the info
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Hey Tian - for a more affordable option, you might be interested in checking out this video: prochurchtools.com/video-studio/
Jacket: Roots 73. Story?
I live in Canada and I bought this jacket?
Although these cameras are really good there is a very big issue when you recommend cameras like this. Most churches don't have professional cameraman. And your cheapest camera which is the Canon EOS R with the lens runs about $4000. A better solution is a Nikon Z6. A cost about $2300 including a lens and it has image stabilization. It can be used to do professional cinematic shoot as well as live streaming. And the color science that comes out of it is much better.
You can get an eos r with a 24-105 and battery grip for $2900.
you have to be kidding me.... This stuff is ridonkulous for a church of 300
The Nocturne Brain When my Canadian church plant launched we spent about $2K on our first camera. We were a church of about 100 at the time. That’s the cost of the body for #2 and #3 on this list.
Not saying that every church can afford every camera, but it generally comes down to priorities, not ability.
@@prochurchtools after $10K of audio and stage set up on a 60yr old lutheran church just now into a modern service 1.5 yrs, there is noooo way I could even think of playing in your fields of grandeur. I'm fighting just to get these people to follow on their own church instagram and we just a got a behringer x32. Hows that for a paradigm. :)
The Nocturne Brain The great news is the gap between these cameras and your phone is smaller than it’s ever been. These cameras are a luxury for content creation.
@@prochurchtools I have my Canon EOS 60D, I cant complain other than its MINE, not the church's :) hmmm come to think of it, the drum set is mine, the bass amp is mine, the guitar amp is mine, the korg stage piano is mine, the lighting is mine... So you can see, I will never see a budget allowance for one of these cameras let alone the Turbosound subs I want for FOH :)
Why for the Church? Those are very capable video cameras dot.
This is Pro *Church* Tools.
@@prochurchtools ahahahahha! Sorry just sounds funny for a camera guy that doesnt know your channel! Happy prayers
Woah - upgrade on that audio quality 👌🏽
I found the opposite! In the first 3 seconds, I was shocked by how obviously over-compressed the audio sounds. Victim of the loudness wars? It is about as loud-sounding as you can possibly get. Is that what you are noticing?
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