FIRST DRIVE: BMW M2 - 454bhp RWD Manual Coupe + Cayman GT4 & BMW 1M Comparison | Top Gear

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  • The BMW M2 is the smallest, least expensive M car. Only, this new one isn’t really that small (44mm wider than the old one at the front, and 18mm wider at the rear) and it’s certainly not inexpensive at a whisker under £70k. It is, however, the only remaining mainstream manual M car in the UK - and the 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight six’s power goes to the rear wheels only. So is BMW’s 454bhp, rear-drive, manual-optioned M4-lite a recipe for success? Well, we brought along the best-in-class - and an old-time favourite - for a stick-shift showdown.
    00:00 - Intro
    02:36 - BMW M2
    09:50 - Porsche Cayman GT4
    14:44 - BMW 1M
    19:58 - Conclusion
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  • @nonstopper
    @nonstopper 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +357

    Ah yes. “The last manual car” for the 10th year in a row!

    • @borisyurinov4822
      @borisyurinov4822 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I hate manual gearboxes

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@borisyurinov4822 Get used to it. They will never go away.

    • @jordanplays-transitandgame1690
      @jordanplays-transitandgame1690 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@borisyurinov4822same

    • @reggiecam9134
      @reggiecam9134 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      @@borisyurinov4822good nobody cares

    • @EndeavorsDnB
      @EndeavorsDnB 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Was gonna say the exact same thing.

  • @maxfrederick7703
    @maxfrederick7703 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +421

    1M uses the N54 engine. It is absolutely twin turbocharged, not twin scroll unlike the N55 engine in the OG M2

    • @infidel900rr
      @infidel900rr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

      The fact that TopGear got that wrong is a bit laughable.

    • @panavhulsurkar1260
      @panavhulsurkar1260 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Many reviewers have gotten it wrong. No point in watching car reviews for relevant info anymore, I just enjoy seeing them being driven on beautiful pieces of roads...

    • @greathey1234
      @greathey1234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I like pedantic people

    • @danieltackett4089
      @danieltackett4089 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      An honest mistake, since the N55 “single turbo twin-scroll” that came in some other 135i’s was exactly as Ollie described. But TG should catch even honest mistakes before they get into the final edit.

    • @velociti03
      @velociti03 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      The fact that this wasn’t caught by anyone on the TG staff is kind of bonkers to me. Especially when he suggests that everyone else has it wrong. Sheesh…

  • @juanpablodiazguillot3325
    @juanpablodiazguillot3325 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    Never expected TopGear to not do their homework its an N54 and its twin turbo. 2011 the 335i and 135i changed to the N55 twin scroll, but the N54 lived in the 1M and 335iS

    • @blueberrycobbler
      @blueberrycobbler 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Lazy journalism, automotive and in general.

    • @apexholland7427
      @apexholland7427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      N54 Also in 335i coupe and sedan until 2010

    • @MitchMatrixx
      @MitchMatrixx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@apexholland7427 And even later than 2010 if you got the 335is, which also has the N54. (My 2011 335is is the basis of my assertion).

  • @kimchee411
    @kimchee411 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +238

    Embarrassing how Top Gear got the number of turbos on the 1M wrong, and spoken with such authority. These things go through editing, right? And nobody caught that?

    • @BMW1M
      @BMW1M 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Amazing.
      Really damages the brand / trustworthiness

    • @thunderpants007
      @thunderpants007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The presenter looks like he’s struggling to be interesting, he’s naturally an old hat “heel toe” nit picking geek. BMW are doing a great job (I don’t get the XM but it’s still wildly attractive to many).

    • @fletch9702
      @fletch9702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      BBC editing is to sanitise any non-pc stuff. While the reviewers are fairly clued up (this example being the exception) the video editors will be computer nerds that wouldn't know a semi-auto gearbox from a flowerpot.

    • @HarryBradbury
      @HarryBradbury 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fletch9702 That's a fantastic sentence

    • @giokavt
      @giokavt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can someone comment the timestamp when he says that, I can't catch it unfortunately.

  • @MihneaStoian
    @MihneaStoian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    the BMW 1M has the same N54 engine as the 1st gen 135, 335, 435 and the Z4 - TWIN turbo 3L. the N55 is a twin-SCROLL turbo, but it's not as strongly built, and it was available in the later 135 and 335 of the time.

    • @papa_pt
      @papa_pt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      bruh he said it so confidently too 😂 so wrong

    • @MTerkait
      @MTerkait 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Correct All N54 are twin turbo.

    • @papa_pt
      @papa_pt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      No 435i though, it was still the 3 series coupe e92.
      And only 2nd gen Z4 got the n54. 1st gen were all NA.
      Also surprisingly, the F01 7 series got it.

    • @maciejpniewski7996
      @maciejpniewski7996 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      fact: N55 is (was) far more reliable then N54

    • @papa_pt
      @papa_pt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@maciejpniewski7996 not far more. Definitely more though.

  • @WBizarre
    @WBizarre 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    The trouble with the countless M2 vs. Cayman comparisons is that every journo reaches for the 6-cylinder Cayman. But even the "lowly" GTS is 50% more expensive than the M2. For any sort of price parity you'd have to stick with the ultra-base 718 Cayman with the 4-cylinder, which is still a few grand more than the M2. Has anyone bothered to do an M2 vs. base Cayman comparison?

    • @mikediazArtist
      @mikediazArtist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Agree this is a bad comparison. The price point of a gt4 is ina different world compared to the m2. I think the gt4 is better to compare with the lotus emira rather than the m2.
      M2 would better be compared to possibly a Supra or amg a45s

    • @sirka6233
      @sirka6233 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Cayman GTS 4.0 and BMW M2 both in decent spec are about the same price here. On the other hand the driving experience in the Cayman would easily justify double the price of the M2. Even base Caymans have way better driving dynamics as the M2. New M2 might be a great GT, but not a great sportscar.

    • @moogle68
      @moogle68 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@sirka6233 You said "about the same price" in this comparison, but didn't Ollie himself say in the video that the Porsche GT4 he's driving is more than $10k increase in price over the BMW M2? That's a big difference for the majority of buyers who are people who will be getting this as their one and only car. I just think it's stupid to start a review by admitting that there is a spec of one car that is much closer in price to the opponent, but instead of using that spec they are using a much more expensive one because [basically] they want us to believe that _thousands_ of dollars in options and a different powertrain won't affect their impression of the car at all... *_WHAT?!_*
      TL;DR - The video should just end after the opening where he admits that there is a much closer priced Porsche available that would make the comparison much more fair, believable, and helpful.

    • @ccharlot
      @ccharlot 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yeah 50 to 100% more expensive. I guess in theory someone may be cross shopping the two but really they're not the same market segment at all.
      Porsche = sports car first with luxury trimmings
      BMW= luxury car (with more concessions for practicality) with sports performance

    • @khymia27
      @khymia27 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Porsche the car Bmw drivers buy when they can afford it

  • @thijsvw
    @thijsvw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Dare i say, that is one beautiful GT4! 😍

  • @TML34
    @TML34 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Damn, he was so confident that 1M wasn’t a twin turbo. 😂 oh well, rest of the review was good.

  • @funke4u
    @funke4u 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    The 1M did have a twin (2)turbo(s) N54 engine not the twin scroll single turbo your presenter mentioned. @TopGear

  • @danziger69
    @danziger69 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Really dig all three, but the M2 has gotten too big and heavy. Glad that manuals still exist!

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The fact that you can't get a manual 2-series aside from the M2 is a sharp stick in the eye to any Bimmerphile. Pick up a previous generation M2 with a manual while you still can!

    • @imamfn
      @imamfn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I don't see the need to choose the current gen M2 over the M4. The dimension is so off as the entry class of sports coupe compared to M4. It grows too big compared to its predecessors, the previous M2 and 1M

    • @faismain2faisal686
      @faismain2faisal686 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent 👍👍👍

  • @johnm5131
    @johnm5131 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    M2: "Everything feels big in here"......(note: test driver is 5 foot 3 inches, and 65Kg)

  • @fletch9702
    @fletch9702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    M2 looks plastic. Better here than in the Hyundai/primer blue that most reviews have used I admit, but it still looks like a semi melted lego car. 1M looks gorgeous, as does the porka. The last M2 was quite the looker too, but it appears to be BMWs aim these days to ruin any good styling work they have done in the past.

  • @nlocnil3602
    @nlocnil3602 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    That M2 looks absolutely sad standing between 2 stunning cars

    • @maybelive765
      @maybelive765 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The GT4 is a 35+ year old design and the BMW 1M has DTM-like modified look to it to a 25yo design. Its not really fair I'd say, but that said I would not get the M2.

    • @user-iu1ru1qz7u
      @user-iu1ru1qz7u 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Right? Looks like shite lol.
      Way to make everything worse BMW 😂

    • @kayronmercieca8226
      @kayronmercieca8226 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Really? The 1M looks awful - really dated. The GT4 is beautiful (not this colour though), I'll give it that, though the interior is very dated as well. The Cayman series isn't currently worth it for their interior, in my opinion. The new M2 looks very aggressive. Much better than the older F87 M2.

    • @markhormann
      @markhormann 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, the new M2 needs to come down about 2" also.

    • @jeebus2121
      @jeebus2121 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I never did like the 1M's headlights, even when it was a new car. The rest of it, though, it pretty pleasing visually.

  • @Tracertme
    @Tracertme 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I watched a red BMW Z4 35is follow me the other day and that little car foot print looked so good….. it’s such an under rated car next to the 1M

  • @psgp298
    @psgp298 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    1M forever!

  • @sugarsaint
    @sugarsaint 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    How can the 1M still look so damn good in 2023 👀

    • @igorbrezovic
      @igorbrezovic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because all new Beemers are so damn ugly 🤷‍♂️

    • @sugarsaint
      @sugarsaint 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@igorbrezovic 🤣

    • @mauricetoussaint7283
      @mauricetoussaint7283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It doesn't! Looks dated!

    • @Schmitzelhaus
      @Schmitzelhaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mauricetoussaint7283 Looking dated is the biggest compliment you can give it when you look at the current gen of any BMW imo. 😅
      But to each their own, no point in arguing over taste. 🤷‍♂

  • @DavidBrown-bs7gg
    @DavidBrown-bs7gg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Still prefer the 1M, and it'll hold its value the best too

    • @duffydon1741
      @duffydon1741 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Absolutely bang-on

    • @currycel470
      @currycel470 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      S58 platform will hold value better

    • @tarquin161234
      @tarquin161234 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@currycel470 If it were engine performance that determined a car's long term value then no cars would ever hold their value.

    • @BMW1M
      @BMW1M 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@currycel470 The 1M has already won - If you actually own one, it was worth more than you paid from the very first day you drove it, and keeps going up.
      No S58 has done that. Look at the price of X3M and X4M and cry (if you bought new),

  • @rafaminus5366
    @rafaminus5366 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    That Gt4 seems absolutely beautiful, powerful. 🎉🎉🎉

  • @georgimihalkov4781
    @georgimihalkov4781 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    So the mid-engined, two seater sports car is the best sports car of the group...Thanks, I certainly didn't see that one coming.

    • @FurkanCemTurfanda
      @FurkanCemTurfanda 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shock

    • @RYTF5
      @RYTF5 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And a gt4 is stupid expensive lol. I mean the bmw is overpriced too but compared to the Porsche it's a steal

    • @maxfrederick7703
      @maxfrederick7703 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RYTF5 porsche are actually bargains in their respective markets. GT4 can whoop far more expensive cars for excitement and engagement.

    • @ogstinky7305
      @ogstinky7305 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      BMW isnt in same league as Porsche though everything is nicer and better on porsche

    • @georgimihalkov4781
      @georgimihalkov4781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ogstinky7305 Well yeah, that's my point. It's a pointless comparison.

  • @dylanbland
    @dylanbland 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I think you’ll find the 1M is twin turbo as it’s based on the N54. It has a small turbo which hands over to a larger turbo. Awesome review love that BMW has continued the 1M/M2 philosophy

    • @mdifficult3675
      @mdifficult3675 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Nope, sorry mate. It’s a standard twin turbo. One doing the front three cylinders, and one doing the back three. Same size as each other.

    • @dylanbland
      @dylanbland 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mdifficult3675 OK! Thanks for clarifying!

    • @mdifficult3675
      @mdifficult3675 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@dylanblandYou were a lot more accurate than Top Gear! 😂

    • @mashinajoe
      @mashinajoe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      N54 uses parallel turbos. Not sequential.

  • @odinikita4821
    @odinikita4821 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    seriously the lines on the cayman/boxter twins ever since the 981 series came out are just beautiful. they say the F type is beautiful, and it is, but this stands shoulder to shoulder imo.

  • @UndeadCrook
    @UndeadCrook 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Trying to correct people with wrong information..facepalm @Topgear. The 1M with N54 is 100% TWIN TURBO. The first generation M2 with N55 is SINGLE TURBO. Disappointing review.

  • @markburton5170
    @markburton5170 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Just heard 'there is more room in the back' - sadly not, I am getting one (manual, no carbon seats) but whereas the M2 Comp is comfortable for adults in the back that is not the case with the new model due to significantly reduced headroom. This reduces the practicality advantages of the M2 over Caymans. I was comfortable and happy with the driving position and setup in a manual demo.

  • @imperialginger1590
    @imperialginger1590 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The 1M power was always under quoted from the factory as well (so as not to step on the toes of the M3). Our 1M, completely stock, put out 340whp on a reputable dyno (w/15% loss that's 400hp). I'm confident that they all far exceeded the quoted power.

    • @mauricetoussaint7283
      @mauricetoussaint7283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mine was bang on the money when dyno'd, so don't make that assumption that they were all like that.

    • @BMW1M
      @BMW1M 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mine makes 670hp. Now that's fun

  • @MbTrojansurgeon
    @MbTrojansurgeon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you want the real deal “M” experience…do what I did. 2004 E46 M3 manual. Full refresh and fettle, with lots left over for track days and maintenance.

  • @RichardJones-kx6mb
    @RichardJones-kx6mb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice to see cars with 3 pedals. What lovely roads for being engaged with the driving. You just don’t get that with an automatic. One of my great joys in life when visiting Europe is getting a rental with a stick. Even a little estate (station wagon) is fun when you’re on a small road in the countryside.

  • @01pabz
    @01pabz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    1 M next too the M2 . Is so much better looking 👀 (1M) wow !!!!

  • @Schmitzelhaus
    @Schmitzelhaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Without even watching, i would take that 1M any day of the week! Even the licence plate on it is perfection! 😁👌

  • @rcouchh
    @rcouchh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not sure how you can compare it to a GT4. The M2 starts at 62k and with every option is 75k. The GT4 starts at 105k, and can go up to over 130k… not even in the same class.
    Bunch of errors here too. The 1M is twin turbo. The G87 M2 also has significantly LESS room in the back seats than previous gen, not more.

  • @Aminokm23
    @Aminokm23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    HAHAHAH... TOP GEAR for yah! '1M Not Twin Turbo' ....lololol

  • @gregskel48
    @gregskel48 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:15 the great thing about these new sport seats is being able to see when you've lost your phone down the pit of doom but still not being able to get it out as the bolsters are too stiff.

  • @mooshninetyfive
    @mooshninetyfive 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This guy explains everything so well ! Enjoyed this a lot

  • @timbonfield3589
    @timbonfield3589 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Definatly coming round to the looks, arches are almost e30 m3 box like, almost if you squint

  • @Spirited_Driver
    @Spirited_Driver 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ive got 2 issues from this guy!
    Pretty sure the 1m is actually a twin turbo n54 engine not twin scroll n55.
    ...and the fake gear changes in the Porsche doesn't count because nobody is going to shift gears back n fourth consecutively without changing speed as you have illustrated in an over exaggerated fasion in this video. That was a fail.
    The Porsche is however the drivers car I'm sure though, even though I have a bmw. I can't afford one so that's the other issue lol.

  • @vonknight5311
    @vonknight5311 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lol yall know I came to the comments when he said that one part.

  • @w210source-uv5lc
    @w210source-uv5lc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1M was actually twin-turbocharged. Other than that, new M2 for me.

  • @BMkeys14
    @BMkeys14 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Incorrect @16:00. N54 is twin turbo

  • @Spyder_Tours
    @Spyder_Tours 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Even a cayman gts is not close to being comparable with the G87 it’s 15k more at least. The Porsche manual is the best as you would expect it to be but it costs a lot more on every angle.

  • @MRVSKIN
    @MRVSKIN 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It would have to be the 1m every time. Might be a good video to do from the 1m along with all the series of base M2’s up to the latest one to see how each fairs against each other

  • @WhiteP01
    @WhiteP01 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I am sure that the manual gearbox in M ​​models will survive longer than the normal dashboard, it seems to me that we are doomed to complicated tablets full of unnecessary information.

  • @dp2901
    @dp2901 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I've got a 1M and it still brings a smile to my face and a crowd at the dealership.
    It's sad to see what its descendants have devolved into.

    • @F87M2CS
      @F87M2CS 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah , its a shame winning the EVO car of the year 🫨 how the 1M compare to the NA grandfather E30 M3 or the E46 M3? Each generation has its audience.

    • @F87M2CS
      @F87M2CS 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FogAndLimehaahah dream well my friend with your M lite .its a good car , i respect it but its not a real M without a proper engine. An experiment made by M to see if there is audience for such a compact car ! And thanks god they did ! The 1M was a cheap immitation of the E46 M3 , without a real M engine ofc.

    • @F87M2CS
      @F87M2CS 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FogAndLime if that makes u feeling better , yes !

    • @germanengineering204
      @germanengineering204 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agree with this new M2, but last gen M2 CS is the best M car of all time imo! M2CS is just a spectacular looking car as well!

    • @germanengineering204
      @germanengineering204 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FogAndLime 1M is better because of the better steering, but worse everything else lmao! Whatever you say!😂

  • @jasonoshita4441
    @jasonoshita4441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a fun comp. You guys get me.

  • @danieltackett4089
    @danieltackett4089 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve been debating whether the M2 or GTS 4.0 should replace my current F87 M2 as a weekend car. Thank you for helping me to make that decision.

    • @chrisharris4223
      @chrisharris4223 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have the GTS, you won’t regret it 😊

    • @Ricky26uk
      @Ricky26uk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Save your money and keep the f87 👌 miss mine🥲

    • @bimmeracing
      @bimmeracing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      GTS all the way !

    • @joe718gt4
      @joe718gt4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Get the GTS and a nice exhaust, if you don't need the extra space for the weekend

  • @eviltriangle
    @eviltriangle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Beside the mistake on the 1m engine its a great Video and i found myself agreeing with most of his thoughts. The weight of the new 2 is just insane, i thought my m2c is heavy. This is just too much. Plus the interior is to much playstation like and removes a lot of that driving machine feeling of the older Ms. Sure bmw must keep up with other brands/interior gimmicks. But they went star trek all the way. I drove an e36 before so i must say i cant relate to other comments seeing a 36 design language in that new one. Again. Great Video.

    • @Schmitzelhaus
      @Schmitzelhaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, don´t see that either. With how squared it is and the bolt on looking wheel arches on the side it is to me clearly more going for the E30 look.
      Just not nearly as well executed as the E30 imo. And weighing almost as much as two E30 surely doesn´t help it either...
      Gimme the 1M any day of the week, in terms of both looks wise and driving experience.

  • @deanisplemoni
    @deanisplemoni 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The more and more I see that M2... the more I like the front.

  • @papajimg9238
    @papajimg9238 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Strange that the long gear ratio of the M2 was not mentioned. Of course, not as long as the GT4's, but quite long to consider the auto a better option.

    • @Schmitzelhaus
      @Schmitzelhaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He said that pretty much everything is 3rd gear while driving it tho. 😉

  • @TCrimson05t
    @TCrimson05t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah it's somebody currently looking for a daily 1 series I'm looking for an N55 one made after 2010.
    Because I really love the 1-series m I know for a fact that has an N54 in it.
    Of the three that's the one I'd pick.

  • @vuyosono3352
    @vuyosono3352 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Name of song on the transition to the 1M ? Please 🙏🏾 14:40

  • @pgr3290
    @pgr3290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love BMW but the M2 can only be a heated up coupe. It's also too large now because of the M4 platform, the previous M2 was much better. The Cayman is much more expensive because it's a mid engined sports car from inception and you get what you pay for in that sense. The M2 then is always onto a loser in any comparison. Other cars in this category are fairer comparisons such as the A110 S or Lotus Emira. The 1M is something special because that is a car BMW built for fun with a bunch of stuff pulled out the parts bin mashed together. It worked perfectly.

  • @mauricetoussaint7283
    @mauricetoussaint7283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You only have to look at the new M2 and it's a no. But then sit in one, as I have and the issues highlighted in this video are immediately apparent. I could never get comfortable in it and frankly, didn't like the interior layout either. Quality was good though. I currently drive a Cayman 718 GTS and was considering the M2, but nope. No even close to my car in so many ways and anyway, I don't manuals anymore, just can't see the point.

  • @Winning9999
    @Winning9999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 20-second ad every 6 minutes really adds to the immersion 🤩

  • @joe718gt4
    @joe718gt4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If i had to get a BMW I think i would just get a nice E46 or E9x M3 at this point in my life and just maintain it

  • @franzhuber7361
    @franzhuber7361 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Oh my gosh, how beautiful the GT4 is😍 Xspecially next to the Beemers

  • @mariellarojas8562
    @mariellarojas8562 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You forgot the Lotus Emira in this comparison. BTW I hope the manual transmition stays alive for the M2 CSL

  • @patrickbateman7122
    @patrickbateman7122 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Haha N54 is twin turbo charged!! Call yourself an enthusiast!! Oh dear TopGear 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

  • @andrewpiper2880
    @andrewpiper2880 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video guys.. well done everywhere!

  • @Spikestriple
    @Spikestriple 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’d still take the 1M… unless we’re talking about the GT4RS.

  • @Adam-M1
    @Adam-M1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What’s the price difference between the GT4 and M2?

    • @p.patrickcamba2514
      @p.patrickcamba2514 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      See video @ 13:43. GT4 starts at 82k. M2 starts at 65k.

    • @Adam-M1
      @Adam-M1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@p.patrickcamba2514 thank you sir.

    • @robb3677
      @robb3677 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As tested the Porsche is likely 35K more - You could get the M2 and a Ducati and a Vacheron Constantin for the price of the Porsche

  • @RandyRodgirth
    @RandyRodgirth 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Despite the lack of a manual option, I’d take an Alpine A110 over all of them. Porsche and BMW have all become too fat, and the long gearing on Cayman’s saps some of the fun too. Lightness has become far too underrated in the sports car segment.

    • @aitorgallego98
      @aitorgallego98 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have an Alpine a110 as my daily and her driving dynamics are insane

    • @Schmitzelhaus
      @Schmitzelhaus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely agree on the weight comment and i would also agree on the Alpine, as it is everything a BMW M used to be with being RWD and lightweight.
      It even looks absolutely gorgeous! But with all that it just is the biggest shame ever that Renault dropped the ball so incredible hard by not offering a manual imo...
      That would´ve been the absolute no-brainer modern day sports-coupe to buy like the GR86 is now...

    • @aitorgallego98
      @aitorgallego98 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Schmitzelhaus i have one and I agree the dual clutch it has is nice but a manual would be awesome

  • @kborn1239
    @kborn1239 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What countries are the M3 manual being released?

  • @VitaliiTrofymenko
    @VitaliiTrofymenko 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where is this road?

  • @DR-st8rt
    @DR-st8rt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I imagine you fiddle around with those sticks and dinosaurs run up and down with the cogs underneath.

  • @peterkogoj7028
    @peterkogoj7028 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The M2 is missing a body color painted front lip

  • @rickycolon4053
    @rickycolon4053 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it me or did they edit the video to take out the incorrect reference to the N54 not being twin turbo? If so, kudos to Top Gear for fixing this.

  • @memememine1
    @memememine1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ugh if gt4 had a proper 2nd gear which ended at around 60mph it would be perfect. Even though it has almost enough torque to lug its way through 2nd it just feels wrong.

    • @cw205mi16
      @cw205mi16 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A short ratio diff would be great. 45/65/95/120 etc would transform the car and be so much more fun to drive

  • @jesusloves4244
    @jesusloves4244 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I know several people who have M2 love it but pay 1200 a month. 😂 that's funny

  • @BPoweredLove
    @BPoweredLove 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:21 Wow! He's in an M2 and can barely see over the steering wheel. He is tiny.
    8:05 Sir! It's because you're itty bitty! Raise that seat. There's a foot of air above your head. You're WAY too low.
    Great video. Thanks!

  • @RiperSnifle
    @RiperSnifle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the M cars but i agree regarding the size of the interiors/steering wheel. What were they thinking?! Unless you're 6ft 5 with massive hands its just ridiculous, way, WAY too big and chunky.

  • @lorcanmaher9249
    @lorcanmaher9249 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone else feel like they’ve just watched a child’s car show!
    How did the bbc manage to do this to one of the all time great to shows

  • @alexmaddox2255
    @alexmaddox2255 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You'd still have the M1 though out of these three. However, I think a Cayman GTS would sway me more than the GT4.

  • @paulelliott3056
    @paulelliott3056 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Don’t get why the M2 is getting compared to the GT4, or even a GTS 4.0. The GT4 is twice the price of an M2, and the GTS 4.0 is about 60% more. If I had the cash I’d def take either of the Porsche’s, but jeez you get a lot of sports car for your money with the M2

    • @paulelliott3056
      @paulelliott3056 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Legotechs a new 718 GT4 the same price as a new M2? Really? Where?

  • @tapiwahondova3938
    @tapiwahondova3938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As of the 14th of August 2023 in South Africa, Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is priced at R2076000.00 and BMW M2 Coupe at R1503975.00 base prices. I think the two cars are in different market segments.

  • @Csl74csl
    @Csl74csl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the advise with regards to the seats in combination with the manual, but you are 5ft tall

  • @ashman0071
    @ashman0071 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's not that I don't like new cars - it's just that I feel much better when I'm driving much older cars .......

  • @hypermotardking
    @hypermotardking 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    where are these roads in the UK?

  • @anthonylarson6511
    @anthonylarson6511 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jeremy, Richard, or James would've known the correct turbo config on the 1M

    • @BMW1M
      @BMW1M 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed. Embarrassing.

  • @curtisgilmore9446
    @curtisgilmore9446 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The 1M and M2 OG are just special cars full of character and personality. The new M2 is a big step forward in terms of performance but it’s now just a mini M4 and lacks personality.

  • @rb6978
    @rb6978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone know the roads on this video?

  • @mattb5342
    @mattb5342 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:35. Where is that? Incredible.

  • @roguetrooper1000
    @roguetrooper1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I prefer the old shape m2 not that new 1 ..love the porsche colour and we al love 1m 😊

  • @beegtea
    @beegtea 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man, 70k pound for a M2 is crazy to me

    • @richardmesser1091
      @richardmesser1091 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure but it's made in Mexico

  • @BMWROYAL
    @BMWROYAL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    9:00 the 2 series not based on the 4 series becuase the 2 series gran coupe is fed, the f87 was based on the 4 series and the first 1 series was based on the 3 series.

    • @cw205mi16
      @cw205mi16 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing wrong with what he said. You're thinking of the wrong 1 series; he's talking about the F40, not the 1M's lineage.

  • @Acquit808
    @Acquit808 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The screens in the BMW look horrific, especially compared with the (much older) Porsche interior which has the gauges so well integrated.

  • @Delijohn
    @Delijohn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:31 "at least they've chosen to put it in something EXCIting"
    HAVE YOU SEEN ITS FRONT???

  • @anonymous6694
    @anonymous6694 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm gonna say something controversial - i wanted to own a manual at some stage and also a golf gti at some stage, so a couple of years ago i bought a manual golf R. Heres the bit - manuals aren't that fun and the DSGs/autos of today are significantly better and even more fun. I am now looking to buy an M2 and am faced with manual or DSG. and right now i am leaning toward the DSG

  • @AndyS2K76
    @AndyS2K76 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have a gt86 and a fiesta st mk8.5. Automatic clutch is better, faster and easier....but nothing can be more connected and enjoyable than a good stick, a good car and good roads....no need also for so much engine power. I had an M3 e46 and for me the gt86 is more fun, more easy to handle and better on the road. every corner can be a little drift and the rain is something that make me smile....because it has the right power for the road

  • @apexholland7427
    @apexholland7427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    N54 is 100% a TWIN TURBO engine

  • @ezekielochieng8941
    @ezekielochieng8941 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The XM, M3/M4 and the M2 are all just too weird to justify their price tags. The in-line 6 and V8 power plant engines are wonderful.

  • @aigarsmironovics2253
    @aigarsmironovics2253 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Perfect! 1M Fan.

  • @Jim-jw8gb
    @Jim-jw8gb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Comparing 2 cars that start at 20 grand apart, one is a 4 seat coupe and the other is a 2 seater sports car………yeah that seems like a good match!

  • @mennoschaefer424
    @mennoschaefer424 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the road numbers??

  • @carltonleboss
    @carltonleboss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ah...the 1M.

  • @curtdragon
    @curtdragon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where is that bridge @14:39?

  • @quantttum
    @quantttum 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too bad about this new M2 it looks like the move to a FWD 1 series forced BMW to use the M4 platform. Now I understand. And the whole issue with the clutch travel is perplexing.

  • @Eduardolo1964
    @Eduardolo1964 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like the long gear ratio and that's what appeals to me extremely about the GT4. The nervous shifting of today's short-ratio transmissions is simply annoying.

  • @Kamal-me5cx
    @Kamal-me5cx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This car review format starts to get really outdated. This is why I like to watch japanese reviews where the car is driven on the track and you get see the performance/feedback of the car. This is also why I like Chris Harris as he uses the same recipe.

  • @Hatepriest668
    @Hatepriest668 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video as always. but hard to take seating position advice as a 6ft guy from this presenter. Just have to drive them and choose for yourself I guess.

  • @raymonkee
    @raymonkee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The audio in this video is reminiscent of early 90s offerings, not the good stuff.

  • @MrGB1999
    @MrGB1999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone know which parts of Wales are featured here?

  • @jamesmksmith
    @jamesmksmith 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this video, and they have ads for Formula E...hahaha, good one.