WHAT HAPPENED. JOHN GAVE HER $22K !!
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- John was Planning on coming to the Philippines to live with and Marry Grace. She could not wait any longer. Took the 22k and Now She is with Another Guy @mikesphilippineretirement @DumagueteRentals Retire to the Philippines/ Money Matters
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I have heard this story many time th-cam.com/video/GHNaPXUXCi8/w-d-xo.html just like this one
Grace needed $2,000 USD per month for what? Was she living in a BGC penthouse? And needing $6,000 to set up a rental for John? She sounds like a scammer to me. But John was also very naïve to send that amount of money.
thanks for the comment Gary
These girls are essentially playing a video game on their phone with amazing cash prizes and they can't lose, only break even at worst.
good point
Never send money to someone you have never met If she can't wait until you get there go to the next lady. Don't fall for the sad stories. Don't do what JOHN DID PERIOD!!!!! DON'T DO WHAT JOHN DID PERIOD!!!
understood! thanks for the comment George
I disagree. It's OK to help her purely of your own volition, out of the goodness of your heart ... providing you get a strong vibe over time, that she's a lady you can solidly trust. Of course, there's never any guarantees ... if it doesn't work out, then own it like a man ... don't be a putz who tries to shirk responsibility for your own financial decisions. And, if she ever pressures you to send her money, particularly if you've only recently met her - then she's definitely NOT the one ... run a mile
Never send too much money before you go...save up and then go. It's better to meet them in person so you really know you're a match.
good advice
💯 % agree Mike. Number one rule, never send any money online until you have personally met the other person. Video chat also does not count either. Personally meeting someone can eliminate many bad possibilities, not all, but many. Even if you want to send a couple hundred each month, get your a$$ on a plane and visit even for 1-2 weeks. As long as the girl is spending his money on what he told her to do and he has confirmation of where the money is going, it’s not her fault. The only time the girl is at fault was when she made the decision to meet a different man and any money after that should have been returned or not accepted.
I agree Michael
Mike great story teller. I hope this helps men out there.
yes the story is good and I hope others know what happens if she waits to long and believes you are not coming to the Philippines
Mike you are an awesome story teller!
I hope it helps guys
He was not smart...
She will " reap what she has sown"!
I always enjoy your videos Mike, and I think this one will be helpful to many men seeking love overseas. I have to say that I disagree a bit with you about Grace. It seems to me that she was dishonest about her intentions at some point in the relationship, and she continued to accept money from John. She likely was not a scammer in the beginning, but I believe she became one when she decided to pursue another relationship without breaking it off with John. It sounds like she continued to take his money even though she was with another man. I feel terribly for John, who comes across as honest, but also seems very naive about money and relationships.
well said John
Until you meet someone in person, they are just an aquaintance no matter how long you have talked over the phone. This is just an example of how that works both ways.
how long should one wait this started in Aug 2022 and ended in Sept 2023? she should have stopped taking the money but he still was sending it
@mikesphilippineretirement How long? Until he was in the Philippines for good. It sounds like the amount of money he sent (way more than necessary) is what held him back from getting there. He should have flown over, rented something small for awhile, grown the relationship, then picked out a house and built a life in person. On the other hand, guys our age have a justified fear of running out of time. In that regard, I don't agree with it but I can certainly understand it. I'm not arrogant enough to say I don't make mistakes too. In fact, I'm in the middle of a mistake as we speak and I should have known better. We are all human in the end.
completely agree I know as of today he has not been to the Philippines
Hi Mike and Janet , happy watching here
Thank you so much
Hi Mike, Mark here. I was raised that your word is your bond. Don't promise on anything you can't deliver on . I'm coming over there with two bags and only i find what i find when i get there. I live my life getting up in the morning and looking in the mirror and feeling that i leed a good life. Money isn't everything ., But it sucks without it.
very true Mark
I really like this episode. He made the wrong choices and needs to live with consequences. Fear is a powerful adversary. I’m with you he couldn’t pull the trigger.
How somebody that probably makes $300 a month have bank Loans or high debt levels hmmm
thanks sometimes i talk longer than I should
I enjoy travel/scenery/cost vlogs the most, but topics like this need to be addressed. I appreciate your realistic and pragmatic points. It's a narrow two way street. My take is both parties are messing things up in the end, but much could have been avoided if money wasn't sent and no promises made that couldn't be kept. Thanks for posting Mike and Janet!
Awesome! Thank you!
I am only 35 and thankful for you paul, Dan, and pea better to learn that lesson from other people's mistakes. Your view is spot on.
thanks Shawn
This John guy wasn’t very committed to having a relationship, despise being a fool and sending money!
But, for every 50 stories like these, there’s the story of my successful relationship, which was completely against “conventional wisdom”! You just need to be super selective in picking the right partner. And I did! We’ll tell you our story next month, Mike
So true I love hearing the good ones
That’s a sad story but she should have told him as soon as she decided to not wait. I would never do that in the first place to someone I don’t know personally.
It is bc I think if he came to the Philippines sooner they would have been together
Just my opinion. Just from experience. Wait till you move to the Philippines before a girlfriend. Do the boots on the ground to see if you like the Philippines. After boots on the ground go home without a girlfriend. Get life in order and move. Once in the Philippines you can take your time and find the right girlfriend. No LDR. Real good video I do agree with you.
thanks Tom
good story
Thank you! 🙂
As wifey do has always told us not to send money to anyone you haven’t yet met in person, sometimes even if you have met, you can come back to the USA to get things in order, go back and she’s no where to be found
yes Ted that can happen
THE MORE I HEAR ABOUT THE PHILIPPINES THE MORE I WOULD HATE TO LIVE THERE. SCAMMERS, HUMIDITY,POVERTY,LITTER, BROWNOUTS,ETC I THINK I WOULD RATHER LIVE IN TIJUANA.
I think your a grown man live anyplace you want
Can you get a girl 30 years younger in Tijuana?
I DONT KNOW! I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE ANYWHERE YOU GO. IM NOT ATTRACTED TO PHILIPPINE WOMEN . THAI WOMEN ARE IN MY OPINION GREAT!
you will need more money in Thailand
Mike from this story the takeaway is that never send even one peso to an online girl as you can't reserve any filipina with money. Whoever will bomb you with her problems is obviously a scammer. Unfortunately there are expats who give big value gifts and allowances once they meet for a holiday period which will not make a filipina loyal. As we know women all around the world never appreciate, this is a golden rule.
the golden rule ..hmmm
I can remember what my x so called fiance said once it was over: money cant buy you love. After being ripped off for years. These gals will lie love people to death.
John was and probably still is a fool. This is text book on how to increase your chances of failure dating online. He tried to purchase a relationship. Totally the wrong approach. An average of 2k USD a month? He has zero clue how much that is in the PI for a local. The only thing she is guilty of is not waiting for him but with the constant delays in his schedule, he put doubts in her head whether he would ever come to the PI. I agree with all of your points Mike. Some people will never learn. This was no scam. He tried to put her on layaway like a commodity and he got what he deserved. Flaunting your cash will usually always fail. The best way is to get your fat azz on a plane and meet in person and go from there.
always best to meet in Person
These ldr relationships have rules that have accumulated over the decades. The girls don't commit because guys say they coming all the time. So the ladies commit when they can touch you or someone else. This is gambling strategy bird in hand worth more than a promise. Best to take care of yourself first then her. Don't send anything you can't afford to cast to the wind.
good advice
She was getting by just fine before he met her online. How could this man be so incredibly stupid to start sending her money? And such a huge amount? Dumb and Dumber movie!
I have heard of so many stories just like this one
Wow big monthly support but still cheating,..the mistake of grace, she did not tell first to jhon that she can't wait longer more months or yrs. So jhon maybe can fix the right schedule date to come Phil.
yes she should have talked to him about how she was feeling
I never pay for love. Just because everyone is giving money to Filipinas doesn’t make that healthy or right. Never send money. I personally never date online. I easily meet women all over SE Asia just walking down the street. That’s the only way to do it. Sending mingle is not healthy and is riddled with misperceptions. Each time I go to SE Asia it’s so easy to make local friends and date.
Dating is great here in the Philippines best in person
$1000's every month is a lot. I have paid up to $200 for our dog, but not even every month. Usually I good for $50 every other month, and only for the dog. From the beginning I have rejected requests for a new cell phone and an alleged electric bill. She's clear about where I stand with that regard. Call me Tacanyo all you want. However In this case, I would agree that would have to have to find the the man guilty. $1000's of dollars is fool-hearty. Nobody should ever send money unless they are with the person physically. With respect to the female- It doesn't matter that she didn't 'make him' hit the Send Money button, the girl accepted the money based on false pretenses. Returning the money is wishful thinking.
Thanks for sharing
One thing that will always hold true . . . . .Money can not buy love !
Mike how did you get this story? Did he email it to you? I agree it’s his own doing….
he sent me an e mail and we video chatted a few times and I when to meet the Girl b4 I did the story
Interesting story Mike, your take is interesting also. Here is my take, first of all if I meet a woman who was in her position and I knew about John. I would never
consider her for anything other than a fun right now girl. Her action says a lot about her character, he may not have come there when he said but he was showing his
intent. If she did not want to wait ok, but say something to him and stop taking his money. Her doing things the way that she did shows she had no regard for
him as a human being. If she could be that way with him she could be that way with anyone. I think it is just as important if not more important how someone
would treat you if they stop caring. John was committed to her and the thought of them from the beginning and he showed it. She is committed to her self.
As far as her friends and family and what they think. In my opinion it should not matter, what did they do to improve her life? I do think he was foolish to put
his self out there like that. Regardless of how you feel about someone in a relationship you should be looking for signs that they care about you also or you are just
setting yourself up for heartbreak.
Thanks for sharing
@blkman1576
SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! SHE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE MONEY STOPS. THATS THE DEAL
she should have told him she wanted to start seeing other guys
Very sad story.
more of a good lesson to be learned
He is never gonna see that money back. He has to suck it up and move on. It was doomed from the start after 6 months with in the conversation when he kept it online and started sending money. Its over with now cause I have learned that first come first serve. She will take the first person who shows up if you delay. He should not waist his energy. He still does not understand how life is there. He has not taken the steps to fully prepare. He needs some years under his belt to have a clear focus of what he can do. Need experience there that he might not like it as he thought. Like you said he was indulging in a fantasy that he did not make it a reality.
Everyone is saying not to send money to anyone that you have never met in person...
A better rule is Never send Anyone money Period !!!😢
Never start sending and you will never need to stop 😅
Come on Guys !
Do Not be a Simp 😮
The way I assess someone is by understanding their intent. Seems that John freely sent money without Grace asking so her intent is blameless and although his was foolhardy, he was also blameless at this point. They owe each other nothing. He sows serious doubt in her mind by pushing out the date of arrival but like any human being shes happy to continue to accept the freely given money and still hopes that John will eventually turn up but now shes not holding her breath waiting. Then the new guy shows up and her feelings transfer to him. Now the intention of Grace has changed. This is when she should have come clean and stopped John sending any more money. She didnt do that and has now become a dishonest person. From a moral point of view she should pay back any money received from John after she started a relationship with the new guy. However we all know that will never happen.
Note to John.... vloggers such as Mike and others constantly warn NOT to give out money to girls you never met in person. You chose to ignore this and have learned the hard way.
great insight
This is why it’s better to wait til you have boots on the ground than meet a girl as your already there….
good advice
Mike, is there a way i can ask you something in private??
e mail mikesphilippineretirement@gmail.com
If she loves him, she will wait.
Maybe but how long do you wait
It listened to your story but what about her story? Sounds to me like the guy is married or dating someone in the USA. He keeps changing the dates. The guy really screwed up everything IMHO.
Actions speak louder than words. They both have some fault but if a guy can’t get on a plane and meet in person, he has no business doing a LDR.
If I was her, I would keep every peso and block him from every social media accounts you shared.
These stories will never end because the internet makes everything to easy for people. He had an awesome dream. You know what they say….”Don’t Fall In Love With A Dreamer”
they both have some fault.
Yeah it’s first come first serve….I don’t blame her…my girlfriend got pregnant because she couldn’t wait anymore and I don’t blame her. I would of done the same thing. I’m moving there in June and I can’t wait….
see you in June
She must have felt she was lead on by John and finally had to do herself! It is easy
thanks I agree with you
He's lucky he had her instead of a scammer .
hahah yes he would still be paying
Mike i agree with Janet dont snd money for somebody you didnt met, the girl was right.
thanks Eric
I think she knew what she was doing all along Mike also John was a fool.
That much money was crazy didnt he know how much money that was she played him like a guitar a old one sad story and she knew what she was doing in my opinion 🤔
that was a lot of f--king money to send
@@mikesphilippineretirement yes
Yes, John's the one who sent the money, but MG could have 1. Expressed skepticism at his arrival or 2. That she had met someone. She strung him along as long as she could. 3. To me, the TIkTok dancing was likely baiting a hook. He might not have been the only fish on the line!
As to repayment: 1. Good luck, even if she wants to. 2. You have no contract, so on what legal or moral authority does she owe it to him? 3. MAYBE the last two months' payment is due, as she accepted it on false pretenses. But again, good luck getting her to find a way to scrape it together.
I got snagged recently in the early stages of a scam in which the woman was coming HERE (USA). I gave her a little more slack than I should have, but I checked the documents she sent and it took a while to get answers as to their validity. Anyone can be taken.
Totally on him, and never start a relationship unless 60 days within your ticket, and a little help is one thing, but thousands is your fault.
I agree Matt
John's story needed to be repeated at least 15 more times. With a little bit more blame and fault.
send me an e mail and tell me how and what i should be adding to the story
Stupid is as stupid does sir.
I laughed out loud that he wants her to pay it back. 😂
hahaha
John, you made a BLIND investment, and your stock tanked! Bubba your out your investment.. this time you lost... so next time try being the winner!!
thanks for the comment Grumpy
John was a fool and got totally humiliated. Another dude is banging his GF and he’s never met her yet. She could have been stringing him along the whole time from the start. So she could have been a scammer. As so many have said, don’t get involved online. Just wait until you get there. And don’t send money. He should try and get his deposit back at least if she moves another guy in. It seems $22k is a lot for this guy with him being just a renter. That could go along way for him in retirement
I think he is more ashamed than anything else
I don't blame her at all. He wouldn't have waited on her if she kept changing the date. I plan on retiring over there in a couple years (Cebu) but I will wait to meet someone after I get over there and get settled in no rush and no money lost. Love your videos
Of course she did wrong, she ultimately deceived him. But who could blame her.
Thanks for sharing
Never send a woman money no matter what until you see her in person. Sorry to disagree, but this woman ripped this man off. That was a lot of money, and that is an amount to live in America. She should have broken up with him and stopped taking his money. I am not saying him not coming to see her sooner was right, but that was a hell of a lot of money.
I think John was waiting to hit 62 years old before flying
maybe
He was trying to buy her! Hope her learned his lesson and go to the Philippines for real!
Hope he will visit the Philippines and find the right girl for him
I think she used him but it's his fault because he sent that kinda money over here , that's crazy never
I have heard this story many time th-cam.com/video/GHNaPXUXCi8/w-d-xo.html just like this one
If he was in a position to send her $2000 a month he had enough money to travel to the Philippines 🇵🇭
He brought everything on himself sending all that money to a stranger online,
He didn't know anything about the girl (ie) did she have a boyfriend,
Even when you do meet the girl in person guy's still have to be careful especially if your only visiting some girls and even their families will try to hide the fact that the girl has a Filipino boyfriend.
good points
His reasons for delaying are rather hard to accept.
FEAR of leaving his home country
At 2 thousands a month ahe should of waited and if she waited to be with another person she shouldn't be taking his money.
What a fool! I learned my lesson the hard way also.
He's a fool, fools and their money are soon parted ! !
Mike, how is Janet's channel coming along ?. Don, California. U.S.A.. 1-19-2024.
we need to wait until we return to Dumaguete to keep it going
When do you think that will be ?.
Feb
Super, my Birthday is the 21st. It will be my Birthday present.
I have learned a long time ago to never let your money walk in front of you, the first thing I would not want a woman who can't wait for me a few months.
Yea, sorry to the guy but... as you said Mike, maybe he was a bit afraid ... don't know, he wasn't there so she ... Sending all that money, and he could have easily flown there.
I agree with you Harry
Promises not kept by John is the problem. If he continued sent money don't blame her for accepting it , boots on the ground is always best. He should have got a plane ticket to proof his commitment to her by coming to the Philippines. She should have told him she needed him to come or she need to move on., this is why LDR's are difficult to success..
LDR are so hard many work out but so many more do not work out or ever get to meet in person
You made a video about 11 back about being to old to come here, for a lot of guys you are probably correct, but there are exceptions, I am 78, now I have been here for 12 years, was married, but we are separated now, we raised her son and niece, there age now is 15 and 11, about 3 years ago I lost my leg, and I was lucky to meet a fine lady age 47, she has her own house, and has 3 kids, a brother, and a sister living with her, her home is paid for, she has never ask for money, but I do help her money wise, she is also my house keeper 3 days aweek, so if you are lucky you can meet a good woman, who cares about me, and yes we are in a relationship, she spends nights here sometimes and I have spent nights at her home also, me and her kids and family get along great, they dont ask for anything, one boy is 23, daughter is 20, and a boy 6. so like I said there are some good ones out there. I agree with you when they start asking for money, it is time to let them, go.
Thanks for sharing
Why why why why why do all these men think their situation is different than all the other men who are scammed?
It’s guys like this that make it hard for the rest of us.
really what others do makes life hard for you. It is easy here just be honest
Men as whole Mike. Stories like this make it hard for the rest of us.
I do not see how it makes it harder for you. Maybe easier to understand what the girls are thinking
I knew an old timer I meet in Cebu I want mention his name. He married a nun and she took everything he had, He wasn't P.O. he laugh and said he still had his pension,
sometimes it is best to just move on
A fool and his money.....
hahaha I have heard that many times Brent and will hear that many more time
Do not send any money that you can not afford to lose. If it's going to cause you any problems at all, don't send it.
Hi Mike and Janet ❤ I think she had the other guy all long. Lol . Who knows what was really going on. Anyone sending 2,000 a month to Philippines is asking for big trouble 😵💫 U Got to be here to have a Philippine girlfriend. If not yr taking a big risk. Great video Mike . Thanks 👍
thanks Herb. How is it in Duma we will be bad on the weekend
😂😂😂😂😂😊
thanks
What a trainwreck.
hahaha yes
He sent way to much
yes way to much
I also don't believe a man who just filed for social security can afford to send $2000 per month, but cannot afford a plane. Ticket to fly over something is not clicking with his story
i think he was afraid to come but really loved having someone to talk to
She was wrong to do it, but he must have been a real fool to keep post poning and sending all that money!
thanks Scott
Was he scammed? Hmm who realy knows if she was using the money he sent for what she said. Was he naive? He sure was!! Sending her a lil bit might not be too bad but he was sending her ALOT of money. Mike think about it: He was sending her the same amount that you have budgeted for a month every month. He stretched himself too thin and I bet he would have pushed it back further if she didn’t have that b/f. My new saying. “ Boots on the ground”
boots on the ground....just come and visit b4 making plans
Yes the guy did a serious mistakle do not promise something you cannot keep hold on to your money and do not create false hopes.
do not talk big slow down and prepare get every small thing in order
slow down great advice
Yeah, good luck in getting that money back. I blame him mostly but I still think she should've given him a warning. A deadline date "If you are not here by this specific date. I'm out. I'm moving on with my life" 🤔🤨
both side could have done a better job in the relationship
@@mikesphilippineretirement Exactly 🤨
thanks Frank
I think she should return a portion of it. say half. If it wasn't her fault, then like you said, he is at fault. She did as she was instructed soooo I do think she is entitled to some of it.
No morals. Just going with the highest bidder.
it is possible
John made so many mistakes but he is entitled to have a chuck of the money returned. Though I doubt it will happen.
yes she should send him the deposit for the house as she has a new by living in the house he rented
John was running on Filipino time
yes he was.
When she didn’t request a firm date first. She messed up. If he gave a firm last date and missed it, then she is free to get another guy. No penalty. But should have discussed a final firm date. Make it or I move on. That’s acceptable.
John shouldnt ask for the money, maybe he has to consider what he really wants
I don't know how many thousand times it has been said NEVER SEND MONEY TO SOMEONE YOU NEVER MET IN PERSON it's a recipe for disaster 😮
good advice but not many follow it
So glad I met my spouse in the Philippines 25 years ago before the online madness. I would never give money to somebody I had met, ever. Whatever the intentions for asking for, or sending the money, its a mistake. If she really likes you she'll wait a reasonable amount amount of time for you and not ask for money. They are both at fault.
Thanks for sharing
You are wrong but you are right in someway,
right and wrong at the same time
No use at all expecting any money. That’s anywhere in the world. I speak from experience. Better to get boots on the ground and established before you start making “friends “. Relationships are often messy and complicated. Give yourself time to get over culture shock, weather and dietary changes. It’s all real and can hinder your start at a social life. Cultural barriers are real and may or may not be a long term issue. Boots on the ground, get established on your own , give yourself some time to fully understand what you are opening yourself up to in a new relationship. This this will also make you a better person for her.
good point Stan
10.000 [ersp a mth is more than enough that is about $250 USD and why would you let somechoose a place tro to rntt if you have nbebver been here.
good point
Don’t these stories ever stop …rule 1. Don’t meet women online 2. Don’t meet women half your age 3. Don’t send money to strangers …
money to someone you have never met is always a bad thing
A stiff d1ck has no conscience 😮
John has a lot of dough 💰 to send that much money that often. Could have bought a plane ticket with all that money.
He should have
She didn’t owe him nothing but the foreigners are creating a lot of problems in those poor countries,
What kind of problem
bottom line: just another example of the fact that an LDR is not a real relationship. sending money from another country is only entertaining the delusion that the relationship is real.
He lost the money - it's hers. He needs therapy for his simp behaviour. Its' strongly entrenched in him
John was a naïve disorganized rummy. Instead of sending all of that money he could have taken a one week vacation to visit her before committing to move there permanently. (Mike made that same point as I was typing this). John could have moved to the Philz and rented a place so there would be time to figure out where to live with Grace.
Sending $2000/month was an extraordinary sign of commitment. I don't know about now but a dozen years ago the average amount of money sent from USA to person in the Philz was $300/month. I think she used her new place to snag a more appealing man (younger?) and I doubt that she told the new guy that John paid for the new house. I don't see a hero in this story, just marred characters.
yes he needed to visit her in person for sure
He didn't do his research. If he had done so, he would have known that he was sending too much money and should meet her in person first. It seems like he had to keep delaying to build up his funds. Maybe he thought that giving her more money would keep her committed. I hope that he learned his lesson. 🤦♂️🏝🇵🇭
we can only hope he did
For that amount of money he could’ve went to see her a couple of times