I have a small 20 foot travel trailer with the square feet on the electric levelers. I was very happy to find out that they make Snap Pads for that style too. They make a huge difference and you’re right…they look good!!
I was getting errors consistently and have gone through this multiple times. When I downloaded the LCI app and read through the GC3 instructions several times I finally figured out that my issue was not being within 2° of level before hitting the auto-level button. Super easy to get within 2° manually just by using the lights on the button pad ensuring the center light is green before hitting auto-level. Once I started this process… no more errors and auto-level has been successful every time!
Your videos are so helpful, JD! Also be sure and check that your battery isn’t below LCI’s recommended voltage. Another common cause for errors. This is a great reason to opt for the new roof mounted solar panel options ;)
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have about lost my mind trying to fix my GC3 system. Also nowhere on earth have I ever seen something tell me how to lower the Middle jacks. I thought was not possible. I have had to take my camper in 3 times to have leveling system worked on and works one or two times or so then errors out again. Have maybe been able to actually use 2 times in the 4 years had the camper. Followed LCIs instructions 3-4 times and never worked. Now realize gotta do the 6 in down thing, that is a great help! Also now know how to at least lower the middle jacks so can at least touch them to the ground to better stabilize the fifth wheel anyway. Great video as always and very helpful!!!!
I am glad you pointed out that the jacks were 12 tons. RVers need to pay attention to weight limits. Knew a guy who had landing gear issues and used a jack stand temporarily to relocate it. But then he left the rig on the jack stands in storage. He had a three axle toy hauler. Not sure the rating on the stands but they were from Home Depot and after he used them for the third relocation, one of them broke down and the rig landed in the ground. No one hurt but the RV. You should always go more than. Impact or “jerking” forces can far exceed a steady force.
I found I was having a bunch of issues with my 3.0 leveling system because the battery the dealer installed was nowhere near adequate enough, I switched it out to 2 6 V golf cart batteries and have not had a problem since.
Were you not worried about your slides being out? I was always told to never have them out unless the unit is 100% level. Thanks for the help on the reset, we had one front Jack not make ground contact and it was teetering on one side.
We had this LCI ground control 4 pt system on our toyhauler, and the biggest problem was the jacks drawing the battery voltage down so far it would shut off the system, or cause an out of throw error almost every time. So I would have to do this little dance of retracting the jacks to reset the system almost every time. And the sites werent terribly unlevel to begin with. Your batteries would have to be in absolute peak condition at all times to use this system and if you were using lead acid deep cycles... I tried 6v as well, you would need to put new fresh batteries in every other year. It became easier to not use the auto leveler.
Not sure why you needed jackstands? Why not retract your landing gear all the way without jackstands? With the sliders in the landing gear extended your jacks could retract without any issue of the trailer contacting the ground. I have done this same procedure without jack stands without issue. Just curious why jacks stands?
Guess I am a dummy. Watched again and still don't get it. You can retract all the way and the trailer will not hit the ground. The landing gear has sliders inside that can be extended farther allowing retraction all the way and the trailer nose would never contact the ground. Seems safer than jack stands.
I just upgraded to a 5th wheel and it’s the first time I’ve had auto leveling. After I got it home and went to hook up for the first time, I got that error. Mine is a 4 point and what I did was extend all the legs till they hit the ground, then auto retract. Fixed me right up. And for those curious, we got the Keystone Sprinter 30RL.
Always like you content. Only thing is some of the things you order off Amazon you could get at a local Hardware store. No I'm not talking (Home Depot, Lowe's or Menards) which have a lot of things. There are other hardware stores out there. I've watched a few videos and you say you ordered this off Amazon, I'm thinking to myself I know you could have just ran down the road and picked it up from a hardware store. Maybe I'm wrong, it was just my opinion. Keep up the videos always like what you do.
@@BigTruckBigRV have a 2021 forest river artic wolf 287bh, and I'm having the same issue with the auto leveling system. I've tried resetting it and nothing. Any help would be appreciated
JD we have an unrelated question… We have a Turning Point Pinbox and want to stabilize the front. Do we need a tripod pinbox stabilizer? Can we even use it with a Turing Point? If so, your sponsor Etrailer has one for sale. Craig and Renet, Farm to RV Adventures
Question. I have the 3.0 system on my camper as well but don’t have an inside controller just the outside controller on the side. How do I manually control each rear jack without having a touch pad. I’m struggling getting the camper to level correctly as the rear jacks are not calibrated correctly from the factory so I’m re setting it. Thanks!
Lci should have better resources to help people reset their systems. I have a 5th wheel with a 2.0 GC system and have had the auto level system fail more often than succeed. Trailer is back at the dealer for the 2nd time for this issue.
Great video, hopefully I'll never need to do it lol. What would you think is the max extension for the front jacks. Reason I ask is our driveway is sloped somewhat and currently I'm using a 2x12 pad and 2 courses of 4x6 wood blocking for the legs to rest on but I still have the extensions out about 2/3's and the actual jack is still extending about 14, maybe 16", the 5th wheel is stable but dont want to extend them to the point of them becoming weak.
Our 2018 Keystone Laredo came with the 4 point LCI 3.0 Ground Control System and it is consistently getting an error code. LCI tech support helps me reset it everytime however it won't stay. It works one or two times and then fails again. I wish tech support could correct it permanently.
Those would be nice. I have a 2008 Keystone Everest, and i need to level the old way. But, will have to stick with it as 10K+ for putting them on my trailer or 80K for what I got for a new one, just dont jive. And shouldn't your slides be in before you raise any jacks. That is what I was taught
Well it happen to us, lo,l. Long story short we had a RR jack error and dealer said it was a bad jack, almost a year later our parts were in, they replaced it (and never checked for function after install) we got home and jack still didnt work. After some more research on my part found the positive wire on the Molux or Molex connector was not secure and the wire was not making connection. Any ways the jack now works after I installed a new connector and we retracted all and skipped the second step of letting the jacks down 6" and just hit auto level. It seemed to work as it was configuring or auto leveling however, the passenger side center jack only came down about 3" and is not sitting on anything...any ideas?
Hi I have been trying to reset my leveling system. Error code is left middle fault and rear right fault. Do I need to be almost completely level for it to retract the landing gear. I can get both to move slightly but not much.
Whoa there... @1:00 when you zoom in to the very cool landing pad... are your tires as worn as that one looks ? Time for new rubber on the wheels I think.
I don't understand why RV manufacturers put the pin lock style legs on the front of the RV but do hydraulic on the middle+back. The amount of times I've seen someone brag "MY RV CAN LEVEL ITSELF! WATCH" and what happens? The front pin lock legs weren't set correctly...... I've seen it happen so many times. Its not really a self leveling setup then if you have to guess each time you setup.
@@BigTruckBigRV Yes but in this video your front 2 legs have manual adjustments. It defeats the "auto leveling" "press a button and you're done "WOW factor""
The Grand Design Solitude we have does not have manual adjusting front jacks. We carry 10"x10" 6" tall block boxes (custom made) with handles so extending the jack legs isn't an issue. Similar height to the andersen blocks.
We have the same system on ours. I've had errors pop up a few times-- usually at a challenging site. The Ground Control system uses Hall effect sensors to track how far the legs are extended. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect_sensor. Its always better to understand the why to get to the how when diagnosing and fixing stuff rather than relying on solutions in a vacuum. Sometimes, the system gets confused (especially if Autolevel has failed). In that case, running all of the legs up usually fixes it, as it is a calibration reset. I had the same problem this weekend. The USACE site we were at had great views of the lake (we were on it), but the sites were not level. The front jacks were retracted to the point where the spare tire was almost sitting on the ground and the rear bumper was at chest level. We still had a list after 2 packs of leveling blocks under the back legs. I didn't clear the fault and manually leveled it the best I could. When I ran the jacks all the way up, the fault didn't clear on a couple of the legs. This results in a lot of beeping and a reduction of the automated functionality. When I got to storage, which is level, I had an "oh sh** moment" and then realized the issue with calibration. To clear the problem, I ran the jacks down a few inches and retracted them again. That reset the system. I was then able to use the Ground Front command to extend the front jacks and disconnected. I ran Autolevel from the fully retracted position and it worked fine. I have the Snap Pads and they are great. One of the best cheap RV purchases. BTW, good comment on the jack stands. I think I'll get a few to carry with me. That will help when leveling raises any of the wheels (which isn't supposed to happen, but does). Also, I have the FlexAir pin box, so I have to raise it further when it is grounded to relieve the force from the back of the truck or the pin box extends rather violently when I disconnect due to the airbag extending. I have an F450 and about 3.8K pounds of pin weight with the generator and W/D combo. I would rather have the jack stands for troubleshooting. As always, you videos are great. As a side note, the one government function that seems to work well are the campgrounds. The Army Corps of Engineers sites are usually great. Down where you live, Nueces County has done well with Padre Balli and I.B. Magee. I've stayed at Balli and will visit Magee in the near future.
Those snap pads would get ripped off on the rear of our 260RD, we have to pull the feet off the rear of our Rv to gain ground clearance while traveling.
It still amazes me how people can give this morsel of an informative video... or any of your informative videos a thumbs down.... what 💩 heads out there don't find any of these videos or product reviews helpful... what a Shame. Great informative video as always JD... keep em coming
I had a problem with mine but the problem was the place I had to mount was to wide on one side. Meaning it had a spot where shocks were mounted. We had to take them off slice the tit off then they fit fine. I have a 2011 Big Horn.
Interesting. When I press the left and right middle buttons nothing happens on my LCI LevelUp 3.0 system. Just had to do this to my fifth wheel this past weekend
@@BigTruckBigRV Perhaps, although all the owners manuals of the units I've ever owned warned against leveling with the slides out due to frame flex and possible damage to the structure while leveling. Again, just saying...
I have a small 20 foot travel trailer with the square feet on the electric levelers. I was very happy to find out that they make Snap Pads for that style too. They make a huge difference and you’re right…they look good!!
I was getting errors consistently and have gone through this multiple times. When I downloaded the LCI app and read through the GC3 instructions several times I finally figured out that my issue was not being within 2° of level before hitting the auto-level button. Super easy to get within 2° manually just by using the lights on the button pad ensuring the center light is green before hitting auto-level. Once I started this process… no more errors and auto-level has been successful every time!
Your videos are so helpful, JD! Also be sure and check that your battery isn’t below LCI’s recommended voltage. Another common cause for errors. This is a great reason to opt for the new roof mounted solar panel options ;)
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have about lost my mind trying to fix my GC3 system. Also nowhere on earth have I ever seen something tell me how to lower the Middle jacks. I thought was not possible. I have had to take my camper in 3 times to have leveling system worked on and works one or two times or so then errors out again. Have maybe been able to actually use 2 times in the 4 years had the camper. Followed LCIs instructions 3-4 times and never worked. Now realize gotta do the 6 in down thing, that is a great help! Also now know how to at least lower the middle jacks so can at least touch them to the ground to better stabilize the fifth wheel anyway. Great video as always and very helpful!!!!
I am glad you pointed out that the jacks were 12 tons. RVers need to pay attention to weight limits. Knew a guy who had landing gear issues and used a jack stand temporarily to relocate it. But then he left the rig on the jack stands in storage. He had a three axle toy hauler. Not sure the rating on the stands but they were from Home Depot and after he used them for the third relocation, one of them broke down and the rig landed in the ground. No one hurt but the RV. You should always go more than. Impact or “jerking” forces can far exceed a steady force.
I found I was having a bunch of issues with my 3.0 leveling system because the battery the dealer installed was nowhere near adequate enough, I switched it out to 2 6 V golf cart batteries and have not had a problem since.
Thanks for the info have had issues with my 6 point system in the past now I know where to go the next time.
Thanks. I had the same issue and couldn't find how to do the middle set! thanks!
I really like my snap pads for leveling on my RV slab. I picked up one of the largest sets for my super c.
I had the same problem with the stabilizing jacks . Thanks for the info , I did exactly what you said and I have the system working again .
Were you not worried about your slides being out? I was always told to never have them out unless the unit is 100% level. Thanks for the help on the reset, we had one front Jack not make ground contact and it was teetering on one side.
We had this LCI ground control 4 pt system on our toyhauler, and the biggest problem was the jacks drawing the battery voltage down so far it would shut off the system, or cause an out of throw error almost every time. So I would have to do this little dance of retracting the jacks to reset the system almost every time. And the sites werent terribly unlevel to begin with. Your batteries would have to be in absolute peak condition at all times to use this system and if you were using lead acid deep cycles... I tried 6v as well, you would need to put new fresh batteries in every other year. It became easier to not use the auto leveler.
Not sure why you needed jackstands? Why not retract your landing gear all the way without jackstands? With the sliders in the landing gear extended your jacks could retract without any issue of the trailer contacting the ground. I have done this same procedure without jack stands without issue. Just curious why jacks stands?
Watch it again.
Guess I am a dummy. Watched again and still don't get it. You can retract all the way and the trailer will not hit the ground. The landing gear has sliders inside that can be extended farther allowing retraction all the way and the trailer nose would never contact the ground. Seems safer than jack stands.
Snap pads are great. I have BAL stabilizers on my Lance and I put snap pads on them. They work very well. They went on with a snap!😂
I just upgraded to a 5th wheel and it’s the first time I’ve had auto leveling. After I got it home and went to hook up for the first time, I got that error. Mine is a 4 point and what I did was extend all the legs till they hit the ground, then auto retract. Fixed me right up. And for those curious, we got the Keystone Sprinter 30RL.
Hell, I level with 2x8 boards, but this was still interesting. 😎🇺🇸
Great info. Now I know how to manually drop my center stabilizers.
Always like you content. Only thing is some of the things you order off Amazon you could get at a local Hardware store. No I'm not talking (Home Depot, Lowe's or Menards) which have a lot of things. There are other hardware stores out there. I've watched a few videos and you say you ordered this off Amazon, I'm thinking to myself I know you could have just ran down the road and picked it up from a hardware store. Maybe I'm wrong, it was just my opinion. Keep up the videos always like what you do.
Bought my snap pads and love them! I did raise my rear landing gear one additional hole after watching your video on that subject, who’d a guessed!
What if Jack stand r r lowest setting but to high for system to auto level ? Thanks for all your helpful and good videos !
I noticed you had your slides out. Doesn't LCI recommend leveling before you open them?
That is what I have been reading from all the comments on other channels.
That's more for balance for the hall sensor. For what I was doing it didn't matter.
@@BigTruckBigRV have a 2021 forest river artic wolf 287bh, and I'm having the same issue with the auto leveling system. I've tried resetting it and nothing. Any help would be appreciated
Ditto. Love our snap pads
Very good info. Hopefully I never need it but I’ll keep it in my favorites just in case.
All jayco north points 2016-2017 have a recall for ride height. Bump stops need to be installed.
Would you like to make a installation video for propane quick connect ?
Excellent video JD. More educational videos please!
JD we have an unrelated question…
We have a Turning Point Pinbox and want to stabilize the front. Do we need a tripod pinbox stabilizer? Can we even use it with a Turing Point? If so, your sponsor Etrailer has one for sale. Craig and Renet, Farm to RV Adventures
Thanks for sharing. Like #182. I like the idea behind SnapPads but they are so expensive for recycled tires, I think they should be $50 not $100.
I believe you can take them all down 6 inches and hold retract and it resets the code so you can have it hooked up to your truck
I have ran into this issue with mine several times, it gets unhappy pretty easy.
Question. I have the 3.0 system on my camper as well but don’t have an inside controller just the outside controller on the side. How do I manually control each rear jack without having a touch pad. I’m struggling getting the camper to level correctly as the rear jacks are not calibrated correctly from the factory so I’m re setting it.
Thanks!
Lci should have better resources to help people reset their systems. I have a 5th wheel with a 2.0 GC system and have had the auto level system fail more often than succeed. Trailer is back at the dealer for the 2nd time for this issue.
No issues with slides out? Retract/extend, etc....Do you recommend bringing slides in?
Great video, hopefully I'll never need to do it lol. What would you think is the max extension for the front jacks. Reason I ask is our driveway is sloped somewhat and currently I'm using a 2x12 pad and 2 courses of 4x6 wood blocking for the legs to rest on but I still have the extensions out about 2/3's and the actual jack is still extending about 14, maybe 16", the 5th wheel is stable but dont want to extend them to the point of them becoming weak.
Our 2018 Keystone Laredo came with the 4 point LCI 3.0 Ground Control System and it is consistently getting an error code. LCI tech support helps me reset it everytime however it won't stay. It works one or two times and then fails again. I wish tech support could correct it permanently.
Those would be nice. I have a 2008 Keystone Everest, and i need to level the old way. But, will have to stick with it as 10K+ for putting them on my trailer or 80K for what I got for a new one, just dont jive.
And shouldn't your slides be in before you raise any jacks. That is what I was taught
Well it happen to us, lo,l. Long story short we had a RR jack error and dealer said it was a bad jack, almost a year later our parts were in, they replaced it (and never checked for function after install) we got home and jack still didnt work. After some more research on my part found the positive wire on the Molux or Molex connector was not secure and the wire was not making connection. Any ways the jack now works after I installed a new connector and we retracted all and skipped the second step of letting the jacks down 6" and just hit auto level. It seemed to work as it was configuring or auto leveling however, the passenger side center jack only came down about 3" and is not sitting on anything...any ideas?
Hi I have been trying to reset my leveling system. Error code is left middle fault and rear right fault. Do I need to be almost completely level for it to retract the landing gear. I can get both to move slightly but not much.
Whoa there... @1:00 when you zoom in to the very cool landing pad... are your tires as worn as that one looks ? Time for new rubber on the wheels I think.
Those tires are brand new. Not even close to worn. They are RIB Commercial tires and smooth on the ribs
@@BigTruckBigRV Ah, that explains it, they looked so new on the sidewalls but I wasn't sure. Good to hear :-)
I don't understand why RV manufacturers put the pin lock style legs on the front of the RV but do hydraulic on the middle+back. The amount of times I've seen someone brag "MY RV CAN LEVEL ITSELF! WATCH" and what happens? The front pin lock legs weren't set correctly...... I've seen it happen so many times. Its not really a self leveling setup then if you have to guess each time you setup.
All 6 legs are electric.
@@BigTruckBigRV Yes but in this video your front 2 legs have manual adjustments. It defeats the "auto leveling" "press a button and you're done "WOW factor""
The Grand Design Solitude we have does not have manual adjusting front jacks. We carry 10"x10" 6" tall block boxes (custom made) with handles so extending the jack legs isn't an issue. Similar height to the andersen blocks.
What app is that? I can't seem to find it in the Google play store
We have the same system on ours. I've had errors pop up a few times-- usually at a challenging site.
The Ground Control system uses Hall effect sensors to track how far the legs are extended. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect_sensor. Its always better to understand the why to get to the how when diagnosing and fixing stuff rather than relying on solutions in a vacuum. Sometimes, the system gets confused (especially if Autolevel has failed). In that case, running all of the legs up usually fixes it, as it is a calibration reset.
I had the same problem this weekend. The USACE site we were at had great views of the lake (we were on it), but the sites were not level. The front jacks were retracted to the point where the spare tire was almost sitting on the ground and the rear bumper was at chest level. We still had a list after 2 packs of leveling blocks under the back legs. I didn't clear the fault and manually leveled it the best I could. When I ran the jacks all the way up, the fault didn't clear on a couple of the legs. This results in a lot of beeping and a reduction of the automated functionality. When I got to storage, which is level, I had an "oh sh** moment" and then realized the issue with calibration. To clear the problem, I ran the jacks down a few inches and retracted them again. That reset the system. I was then able to use the Ground Front command to extend the front jacks and disconnected. I ran Autolevel from the fully retracted position and it worked fine.
I have the Snap Pads and they are great. One of the best cheap RV purchases. BTW, good comment on the jack stands. I think I'll get a few to carry with me. That will help when leveling raises any of the wheels (which isn't supposed to happen, but does). Also, I have the FlexAir pin box, so I have to raise it further when it is grounded to relieve the force from the back of the truck or the pin box extends rather violently when I disconnect due to the airbag extending. I have an F450 and about 3.8K pounds of pin weight with the generator and W/D combo. I would rather have the jack stands for troubleshooting.
As always, you videos are great. As a side note, the one government function that seems to work well are the campgrounds. The Army Corps of Engineers sites are usually great. Down where you live, Nueces County has done well with Padre Balli and I.B. Magee. I've stayed at Balli and will visit Magee in the near future.
Very useful info. Thanks!
I’d love to see a version of the snap pads that fit a travel trailer scissor jack foot.
Those snap pads would get ripped off on the rear of our 260RD, we have to pull the feet off the rear of our Rv to gain ground clearance while traveling.
Thanks JD!
It still amazes me how people can give this morsel of an informative video... or any of your informative videos a thumbs down.... what 💩 heads out there don't find any of these videos or product reviews helpful... what a Shame.
Great informative video as always JD... keep em coming
I have the older hydraulic lci system, and it seems quicker and stronger. I think it is simpler without the app and touchscreen interface. Just my .02
My Rv snap pad cracked on mine where it snaps on only 2 months old
Great video
Is it better to calculate tongue weight on a bumper pull trailer with a tongue weight scale or when all hooked up at a cat scale ?
WOW. Not a lot of effort put into the software side of things.
Are there different snap pads per brand of fifth wheel, or one size fits all?
Good advice
I would have hitched up! Trusting those jack stands without some seriously bigger wheel chocks hardly seems safe. Good video (and advice) otherwise.
Thank you!
I had a problem with mine but the problem was the place I had to mount was to wide on one side. Meaning it had a spot where shocks were mounted. We had to take them off slice the tit off then they fit fine. I have a 2011 Big Horn.
Can you share the link for disk to put inside the Anderson blocks to use with the Snap Pads
They haven't been put into product yet.
Interesting. When I press the left and right middle buttons nothing happens on my LCI LevelUp 3.0 system. Just had to do this to my fifth wheel this past weekend
I'd have run in the slides before operating the leveling jacks. Just saying...
The real issue is that folks shouldn't be inside the RV, possibly sitting in areas that slides are extended.
@@BigTruckBigRV Perhaps, although all the owners manuals of the units I've ever owned warned against leveling with the slides out due to frame flex and possible damage to the structure while leveling. Again, just saying...
Lego blocks and hand cranks are so much easier and reliable
You dont need jackstands to do this, needlessly dangerous
DUDE, you need tires..
Just got to say anything old this is useless