What if Greater Yugoslavia formed before WW1?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- The country of Yugoslavia was formed after the First World War, and it changed the balance of power in the Balkans. What if the nation also included Bulgaria before WW1? Can Greater Yugoslavia change the outcome of the Great War? Stick around to find out!
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00:00 - Video Intro
00:15 - Yugoslavia after WW1
00:42 - Alternate Berlin Treaty
02:34 - Serbo-Bulgarian relations
05:58 - Bulgaria and Serbia unite
08:03 - Coin from Serbia in 1868
08:15 - First Balkan War
09:17 - Second Balkan War
11:07 - First World War
14:13 - Tides turn against the Central Powers
15:50 - Hungary switches sides
16:50 - Peace Treaty
18:43 - Yugoslavia in 1917
19:00 - Video Outro
What if bulgaria is the one that formed yugoslavia and not serbia
Great idea! I love it!
From the beginning if the video i wanted that 😢😮😅😊❤😂🎉
Ehh personally I do not think that Bulgaria really wanted to form a South Slavic Empire, Bulgaria instead wanted territories like north Macedonia, Tsargrad and some other, But the possibility exists if we instead had a Bulgarian man kill the Austro Hungarian leader it might work out, personally I believe it will still be impossible for Bulgaria to just try and form pan slavic empire, for example maybe we could had had an too ambitious Serbia declaring war on Bulgaria and Greece where eventually Serbia looses after Romania too joins on the Bulgarian side, it will eventually set foot for Bulgaria to gain some more territories which could most likely cause the idea for a pan slavic state to rise up even more
@@pro_master2486 maybe but that depends if the leader wants to do it ,- the history It is not a simple science with formulas and the like - it depends on many things (not that mathematics is simple but I have exact formulas)
@@Chefo_311 Well there are a few cases in who might take rule, first on is the German Prince Ferdinand I of Bulgaria, another possibility is of course the Romanian king but of course the interests of Romania and Bulgaria were different so that did not succeed, the only way this could actually happen is really just Serbian King taking rule in Bulgaria which like again not the same interests. The only one who would make sense to rule is the German Prince or Ferdinand I of Bulgaria which would make Yugoslavia formed by Bulgaria again impossible due to interests
2:14 literally every Bulgarian
Absolutely lol!
The Cyrrilic alphabet was created in the Preslav literary school by Kliment of Ohrid, not in Thessaloniki. I think you confused it with the Glagolic alphabet that was made by Cyrril and Methodius in Thessaloniki.
Ah yes, my bad!
@@rewriting-history и аз поняка забравям тази част...
@@42carlosизобщо ми изкопи от ума този факт. Просто си пиша скрипта и хич не се замислих 😂
If your a christian. you need to repent of your sins PLZ
@@rewriting-history you didn't explain it in the video, but if Yugoslavia captured Constantinople and renamed it to Trasigrad then how and why would they return in to the Ottomans after the war? You didn't explain that in the video.
Well, from the Slavic accent, the text on Discord, and the goofy anger from Treaty of Berlin, I think it might be safe to say this guy is Bulgarian, which is quite a W in my opinion
I'm 1000% bulgarian, you're right!
@@rewriting-history Nice! You must be pretty happy about Possible History’s Perfect Bulgaria then huh?
@@mr.originality1005 oh damn this video was ages ago! Yeah I liked it, it was fairly fun, although I would add a lot more to it!
@@rewriting-history If I had the ability to properly make art and edit videos, I also would have multiple ideas, too!
@@rewriting-history cool love bulgaria but its kinda they both backstabed serbia not giving land bulgaria attacking while in alance whit them
Suggestion: What if Franz Jospeh I died in an accident and his son Rudolf succeeded him at 20?
I believe that somebody else already made a video about this, but I'm not sure!
An interesting idea for a future video is if the Chinese colonized California during the Ming Dynasty.
Nice! I will look into it and consider it!
I can say that this video is an improvement because you can go into as much detail as your past videos and still have a lot of time to continue the scenario. Keep it up 👍
I appreciate that! Thank you very much and I'm glad you liked the video!
YOOOO ITER
The amount of detail you put into a realistic way for this to happen is astounding!!
Thank you! I hope you liked the video!
We definitely want a part 2!
Damn I'm very surprised to find that people really love this scenario!
@@rewriting-history it's a really nice change of pace from various other scenarios i've seen, most of those end with the country they focus on either dominating the world or disappearing in the first few minutes of the video. This is a nice midpoint!
@@rewriting-history as a half serb half bulgarian,i would see part 2 as an absolute win
What if Germany never invaded Belgium in WW1?
Thank you for the suggestion! I saved it for later!
Than posible Germany could of won the war bc there would be no UK in the war
@@pizza8725 Nah, the UK only used Belgium as an excuse. It would have delayed their intervention, but not prevented it. Beside, the French-German border was heavily fortified, as soon as France would have been forced on the defensive, they would have stalled the German long enough for the UK to intervene.
Yes make part two!
It's right around the corner!
Great video, my friend! Idk if this was a question, but I bet the Kaiser would stay in charge, maybe Wilhelm II might be replace with his oldest son. Once again, great video!
Thank you very much! I do agree with you!
glad to have come early enough to join the stream it was fun
Glad to have you there! Hope you had fun there!
nice video, keep up the great work!
Thank you very much! I absolutely appreciate that! Very kind words
love how basically everything in your video fits the narative
Well that's what I'm trying to achieve! Thanks!
This is great, and yeah a part two would be cool, like we have to see what happens to turkey? Who gets Constantinople? And arabia? Like if Russia gets western Armenia then that just changes the borders of everything there as the uk would still not want a border, so much to discuss, this is why I love alt history channels like yours sir, have a good one haha
Thank you very much and I'm glad you liked it! Part 2 will be very interesting for sure!
What if Charlemagne only had 2 sons not 3 so the empire would be split evenly
Also what if Napoleon also sold Haiti to the USA with Louisiana like what if he knew of the revolt in advance and did something similar to what happened with Corsica right before he was born
Great ideas! I love them and save them for later!
this is certainly an interesting scenario, I had always wondered why Bulgaria didn't join Yugoslavia
Now you know! Hope you learned something new and interesting!
firstly bulgaria and serbia hated each other because of the second balkan wars and the first world war, secondly because the soviet union had worsened its relationships with yougoslavia after the late 1940s and bulgaria played along the soviet union
thanks@@MPF5856
Yeah, there's just been too much bad blood and diplomatic separation between these two. Before and after WW1.
Excellent video. Part 2 please. 😎👍
Coming soon! Thank you very much for the support!
@@rewriting-history No problem. Peace ✌🏻
This needs a part 2
Радвам се че все още има хора в България, които се интерсуват от световната модерна история! Много добра работа.
What if the ottomans won the balkan war ?
Already have it! - th-cam.com/video/hnSbW7MV7dw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UBvgzHS540_bNHXA
This video just by the thumbnail is already amazing
Thank you very much! It took me sometime to figure it out!
If Yugoslavia,Albania,Bulgaria,Greece,Romania and Turkiye united into one single federation during Cold Wars
Yugoslavia now dominates every single international competition
Bulgaria wouldn't contribute much to that nowadays, but the football world cup in 1994 could be won by this Yugoslavia
i like this, part 2 hopefully
I'm glad you liked it, appreciate the support! Part 2 inc.
@@rewriting-history wooo thank u :)
love ur vids!
Добро видео! Доста убедително като за alternate history
Благодаря много, оценявам го!
This is a stretch. Historically speaking the region of Yugoslavia has no major resources to support a full scale war, nor does this region have the population to withstand a full scale invasion on 3 fronts all from countries with greater resources, population, and military capacity. To add to this the Slavic people of this region historically could not come together and is y they’ve been in nearly constant war with each other. Not the best or most realistic outcome. They’d likely be steam rolled, occupied and broken up into separate nations. Then you just have normal WW1 situations after.
Perhaps you're right, but if I was 100% historically accurate, they would get destroyed and divided after. So nothing would change, they would exist for a bit, but in the end, the borders would be the same. This would make for a really boring video!
Why not keep Constantinople? At the time it was just under 50 % Orthodox and it's a very important city even today
I was debating if I should include it or not. It's very important as you said, so I think that Russia or the UK will want it more, taking it away from Yugoslavia!
That is true, but it was offered to Russia in our timeline to keep them in the war, without anyone takeing it from the ottomans, so my thought was simply: Would Yugoslavia give it up freely and would the other great powers go to war over it, as you said UK and France was more conserned about Russia not getting too powerfull and therefore kept the Ottomans alive, with the Ottomans gone they needed another counter balance against Russia Yugoslavia could fill that role, and Russia might accept since it was another slavic mostly Orthodox power, I don't think it's unrealistic. Great video btw thx for making it@@rewriting-history
@@nicklars4099from what you're saying I think it's fair to say that Russia will gain it, so they avoid total collapse
yay new video
Hope you liked it!
Nice video, always interesting to learn about Baltic history. Love from USA
Thank you! Love from Bulgaria!
What if kilkenny stayed the capital of Ireland and the English didn’t annex all of Ireland after the Viking invasions plz make a sceanario on this as I’m Irish and your one of my top three favourite TH-camrs
Hey there, I like your suggestion and I will save it for later! Still haven't done a video about ireland! Also thank you for the support!
Nice vid
Really appreciate it man
I don't think the Russian Revolution could not happen because it was inevitable since the russo-japanese war.
Apart from this I liked this scenario. I would see a part 2.
I agree with you. What I meant is that it wouldn't maybe happen during the war, since Russia wasn't performing that bad. In part 2 they would maybe collapse.
it was not inevitable.
Comment for algorithm, because you asked us to make one
Yes! Thank you very much for that!
probably germany wouldnt be punished so hard, they would be the country whith the firts proposal of peace, seeing that their allies were terrible, and a stagnation in the french front. So i think that to not upset the balance of power another time, and with the acquisition of galicia by russia, Germany should have the sudetenland, so they wont be mad for lossing alssas lorraine. And i think the area should be partitioned with austria, so that they dont get so weak.
I would suggest to give the yugoslavian lands of slovenia to austria, because there were some germans there, but thats a suggestion.
And if you do a part 2, make the funny moustache man communist.
Thats all, i liked the scenario, really good
Good suggestions and I especially love the funny moustache man communist idea. Will for sure save it!
What if indians won the first war of Indian independence and led to a United India??
A unified India in 1857 is a topic that is barely discussed. Maybe include Burma and ceylone too.
The revolution probably would have been successful if south India had also participated.
I like the idea! Will do a video about India soon!
Suggestion: What if russia was succesful in avoiding Russian revolution and was a victor in ww1?
Interesting idea, but this literally happened in this video! :D
You should make a video in if Bulgaria and Romania United into one country 🇷🇴💪🇧🇬
Check out my first video, which is also mentioned in the end of this video! There I united Bulgaria and Romania!
hello begula
I need a second part. Now I am curious about ww2!
Will do something interesting with that! Thank you for watching up until the end, I hope you enjoyed the video!
Nice video! I like the idea of a Bulgarian Yugoslavia !
I will also do a video about what if Bulgaria formed Yugoslavia
Can’t Wait To See It!
Hey, I see you & Khan were chatting on my birthday! What were you 2 doing on Discord, instead of being at my birthday party?😂🎉
Happy birthday! Also I don't know what you're talking about, who is Khan?
Please make a part 2
The only thing I dislike is Russia taking Königsburg and Memel but good video nonetheless
I'm glad you liked the video and watched up until the end. Yeah I agree with you, I don't know why I gave them that, but hey, I'm still learning
Me to
Maybe it's just me but I think Romania would still put more priority on claiming Transylvania than in pursuing a vengeance war on Yugoslavia. Transylvania was and still is today the jewel in the crown of any Romanian nationalist and I can't see them pass it up here. landlocked or not.
How can I send you suggestions?
Just comment on the videos!
rewriting history thank you for winning the game for me!
Any time! I appreciate the kind comment!
Ok, how does this guy not have 10K alreday? Also what do you use to map?
Haha I'm working towards getting to 10K, come back in a couple of months and I'll probably get there!
For maps I use paint. net, it's free and quite good, does the job very well!
Ohh ok thank you and good luck :D@@rewriting-history
We need a part 2
I'm glad you guys like it! I will consider part 2 soon!
Готино видео, поздрав.
i would love a 2nd part
I would love to make it for you!
do you ever make part 2s?
I make sometimes, but often it's not worth it
In 1916 you would get kaiser Karl who tried to ge tpewce OTL in 1916.with the war going even worse in this timeline it's likely he successfully gets out the war in 1916 in this timeline (historically it failed because he refused to give up South tirol, but with the war going even worse he would be more willibg to compromise)
Could be very interesting if that happened for sure
What if Greece and Albania united? Could be interesting, both languages apparently come from the same family
It's an interesting idea, but I don't see anything happening with this scenario. No massive war would be altered, which would arguably create for a boring video. I will think about it
@@rewriting-history maybe a short?
@@thetoastergod5935 Good idea! I wanted to make a short very soon! So I will do that!
Дори и да съм от българите против Югославия, много ми хареса видеото и бих искал да видя втора част!
Благодаря и много го оценявам! Видеото изглежда се движи добре, ще направя втора част в бъдеще!
You’d be surprised how there was a possibility for Bulgaria durning the Cold War joining Yugoslavia, personally I kinda wonder how would Yugoslavia survive in modern day if it does, I wonder what if that happened and the South Slavs were completely United. In the modern day the idea of Yugoslavia would never exist due to the so diverse ethnics in that the South Slavs possess,
@@pro_master2486 and also after WW2 Bulgaria could have given Yugoslavia a small part of southwestern Bulgaria through the Bleed Agreement.
I think it would be better for all Serbia woud give 2 communities whit Bulgarian majority to Bulgaria, Macedonia woud be like Montenegro and Serbia 2 countries/republics with same people a bit different dialect but same language (another example Austriaand Germany). I think also Macedonia would take and extend Serbian Cyrillic (they have done it but for soft c and d they created a distinct letters). Bulgaria would take the same letters (same language same alphabet) so it would not have ja jo ju like in Russian so more phonetic and easier to write. Macedonians would feel safe from both Serbian and Bulgarian pressure, since we know that they were not pressured in 2nd Yugoslavia
@@aurelije well I'm not entirely sure about that because before 1878 the Southern part of the Morava river was also called Bulgarian morava because it was with a predominantly Bulgarian population. I'd say that would be included in this Yugoslavia in order to keep the Bulgarians happy (I'd say I'd be a dual monarchy like Austria-Hungary with the same monarch but different governments but a united foreign policy). This would assure Bulgarian loyalty to the Serbs. Then in the Balkan wars the whole of Macedonia and Thrace till the Midiya-Enos line would be annexed into Bulgaria because of their predominant Bulgarian population. Everything else without Albania would join Serbia and I'd even say as in the video Montenegro would join this Yugoslav state as a part of Serbia (they were Serbian after all). Then with WW1 Croatia would probably join the Serbian part as well, but Slovenia would be a third state due to their different language.
As you said this transformation from "ю" "я" to "jу" "jа" could occur, however, somewhere I remember reading that the Serbian language was intentionally changed to be closer to Croatian and Slovenian languages, which because of Austria-Hungary were changed to have the Latin alphabet, to be closer for a potential Yugoslav unification. Before the Serbian changes it included slavic letters like я, ю, ъ, ѫ, ѧ, ѣ and didn't use the Latin alphabet at all. These letters also existed in the Bulgarian language prior to their independence. If the leaders play their cards right and give autonomy to Serbs from Vojvodina, Bosnia and Croatia, Croats from Bosnia and Croatia and Slovenes they might be able to keep this larger Yugoslavia without ot collapsing. My point is they could federalise and have the borders follow ethnic lines between the slavs which can keep their languages and alphabets intact.
I just realized that the map you used for the default background was the HOI 4 map.
It is lol
please make part two
Yessir!
Question : What happened to the german colonies? would they all be divided just like in our timeline, or since the war is shorter germany was allowed to keep most of it?
Tanzania they would lose for sure, most likely they also lose Namibia. I think they will keep Cameron and Togo. As in the Pacific, maybe they will lose everything to Japan
Blease make a part 2 🤪
Serbo-Bulgaria giving up all of Thrace to capture Thessalonki is extremely unrealistic to say it mildly xD
Make plz a part 2
I love it! I wish it happened like this
As a Bulgarian, I think it would be very cool!
@@rewriting-history As a Croat, it certainly beats what's happening in my country today
How does Bulgaria not reach Solun (Thessaloniki) in time when its literally a couple of kilometers away and also isn't Skopje already in the new nation during the first Balkan war
What if lndia was free in 1857 with britisher leaving 60 million pounds
I understand you want a video about india, but if you comment it on every single video, you won't make the process faster!
@@rewriting-historylmao bro is needy😂
4 Suggestions have the Community vote on them
1 What if Maximillian Remained Emperor of Mexico
2 What if Franz Ferdinand and Franz Joseph died on an earthquake in 1908
3 What if Bulgaria won the 2nd Balkan war and serbia became an austrian protectorate
4 What of the weird fiasco peace thing went through and germany invades austria-hungary
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll get to it after I'm finished with the project I'm doing right now
Very interesting and part 2 would be nice. Just a personal preference, but konigsberg owned by russia doesn’t make a lot of sense. Other than that, great vid!
Thank you very much! You're right about Russian East Prussia, should have given them something else instead
The problem is that this is basically Serbia, and Bulgaria would never join them because of the nationalistic wave at the time. Overall great alternate scenario and I would say an interesting one! I just think that when they unite they will change the capital and the currency.
I agree with you, I prefer making unrealistic scenarios, because the what if question is bigger and more interesting
2:13 I wasnt expecting that lmao
:D
What if italy received its london pact'lands making it an ally into ww1 sequel?🤔
Great idea! I will do something very similar!
How do you get your map?
It's a custom made map I made for my channel!
@@rewriting-history ohh ok
уау страхотна работа продължавай в същия дух Велика Югославия!
2:12 RAGING BULGARIAN SCREAMING INTENSIFIES
He wasn’t screaming tho
The Maginot line was built in the 1930's in Alsace Lorraine !
Yeah my bad there
@@rewriting-history no problem
I love your videos man
Keep up the good work 💪
@@DK-ig8zi Appreciate that very much, thank you!
Scenario request what if Serbia remained an Austrian ally and the government didn’t get couped
Maka a part 2 please😢😢😢😢
I will, people really like it!
Personally I think the German Empire would remain in power and not be blamed for the war as well as the Treaty of Versailles would be less harsh in this timeline, meaning the nazis would never be able to utilize the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles's irl terms to gain power.
this is one of my favorite channels but I think the peace treaty is just a bit harsh on Germany I don't think that is very realistic because Germany even though they did surrender they didn't lose any land in fact they obliterated Russia and Belgium I think it makes sense for Germany to lose maybe half of Alsace Lorraine but that is really harsh but especially losing Koenigsberg would be an absolute no because the royal family of Germany is mainly Prussian.
Yeah I'm very well aware of your claims. In the end of the day, I wanted to make the video a bit more interesting, so a possible war could start in part 2! I was just setting up something
Why Ottoman got Thrace back after first Balkan war and why Corsica wasn’t painted into blue in this video?
We need more
Part 2 should be my next video!
i think it is unrealistic for germany to lose those parts of east-prussia as it contains the important city of köningsburg. Even in our timeline it did not get taken in ww1
Why would russia gain the german majority prussia instead if the polish majority poznan?
Yeah you have a good point. I should have mentioned that!
I love this scenario but I disagree with the eastern front of the war I think Russia being weaker and the war only starting a year early would still result in Germany sending Lenin back to Russia and a civil war erupting. You have to remember Russia had lost to Japan and was embarrassed on the world stage and was very unstable. If anything the civil war may not be as strong but they would probably still peace out with Germany independent of the west.
It's a thought topic, some people agree with what I did and some don't, making it very hard to know for certain. Russia will for sure collapse after the war, but this is for part 2
As a Serb i would like to Defend our Actions in 1 Balkan War .
You didn't mention that Serbia would have given large portion of Macedonia to Bulgaria if Austria and Italy didn't pressure Serbia into giving up whole Albania + Austria Annexed Bosnia which was de facto under Ottoman Control which Serbia would give up Whole Macedonia for Bosnia . But Austrian and Italian imperialism and manipulation broke Relations between 2 brotherly nations .
Conference of Yougoslavs (hidden in Austria-Hungary) was made up from Slovens Croats Muslim Bosnians and Serbs ) Serbs from There before 2nd Balkan War wanted to include Bulgaria in Yougoslavia and supported for bulgaria to go all the way to Constantinople .
When Austria was demanding for Serbia to reatreat from Albania they first asked Bulgaria for help which they said (were to busy) so they gave up on Albania so they could Spare Whole Balkan from fighting another War against Big Power .
If we werent the backstabbers of eachother,we would be great friends,serbia and bulgaria.
Сега разбирам, че си българин :D
Преди това усетих от акцента, че си от Източна Европа, ама сега се изкефих още повече
Ееее че как, българите сме най-големите! :D
Make part 2
Интересен уот-иф, само ми е любопитно каква версия на кирилицата би се използвала? По-близка с българската със Ю, Я, Ѣ, Ъ и Ѫ или със сръбските Ј и Џ?
Интересен въпрос, може би сръбската, тъй като те ще доминират политиката първоначално
@@rewriting-historyAs a Serbian, I personally believe the Serbian Alphabet would be adopted across Serbo-Bulgaria because the modern Serbian Alphabet was perfected by Vuk Karadžić Zmaj as a way to simplify the Serbian Alphabet and remove a lot of unnecessary letters, symbols and expunge Russian influence from Serbian Academia brought by Russian Scholars, which only made it even harder to study an understand.
The Alphabet was designed to be easy to learn, write and for everyone, it was meant to resemble the way common people talked, rather than the elite.
So, an alphabet that is easy to learn and understand for an average person would be incredibly useful to culturally and linguistically similar, but still widely diverse inhabitants of Serbo-Bulgaria as the nation develops and Education becomes available to a larger number of people.
Though, perhaps Vuk would work with Bulgarian Linguists and Scholars to make the new Alphabet truly Pan-South Slavic, rather than focusing just on Serbo-Croatian Language.
I need prt 2
I will make it for sure! The scenario is very cool!
Part 2?!
Coming sooner than you might expect!
I think that some kind of federal Yugoslavia with Bulgaria in it as a part would be much better option and even strong Yugoslavia would be much stonger with Bulgaria.
That never happened coz of powers. Not just from the west, but feom the east too...
what if the unions of romania-bulgaria and romania-hungary formed?
I already made a video about Romania and Bulgaria uniting! Check out my first video on the channel, also the suggested video at the end!
What if France Rappeled the attack against germany but Belgium was never invaded
You guys know this guy is Bulgarian right?
I'm Bulgarian, can confirm
И само една лека корекция:
Преди руско-турската война от 1877-78 Русия се споразумява с Австро-унгарската империя, че няма да създава голяма българска държава. По време на Берлинската конференция пък се споразумява с Великобритания да създадат границите на България, които познаваме сега и да отхърлят проекта на Германия за двата вилаета, който е бил далеч по-изгоден за българите.
Така е, но този факт не променя видеото особено, реших да не го включа, за да не объркам публиката
least depressed sounding Bulgarian
haha can confirm
part 2 !!!!! pls
Expect to see it very soon!
thx@@rewriting-history
Part 2 !!!
Russia most likely would annex possen(to form a polish kingdom in empire), armenian land in ottomans empire. I dont belive thay would annex Kaliningrad in this timeline.
I agree with you! It was a mistake doing this. It doesn't change this video and I'll fix it in the second part of the video.
Whens part 2?
Most likely never
Actually there were plans during 1860s to create Yugoslavia during rule of Prince Mihailo Obrenovic. And it nearly happend if not Russia crying bout it. Tsar Alexander II wrote to Mihailo that there can only be one Slavic tsar not two. But i think it was more bout Serbia being pro austrian during Obrenovic dynasty than any of that and Russian Empire really wanted to have influence over Black Sea coast