Star Trek: TNG Review - 1x26 The Neutral Zone | Reverse Angle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2020
- A lackluster finish closes out a hit-and-miss season for Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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Hurley, Maurice. “The Neutral Zone.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, season 1, episode 26, Paramount Television, CBS, 1988.
Stevens, Leslie. “The Borderland.” The Outer Limits, created by Leslie Stevens, season 1, episode 12, United Artists Television, 1963.
Serling, Rod. “The Fear.” The Twilight Zone, created by Rod Serling, season 5, episode 35, CBS, 1964. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
"We ... are back!" actor played Gul Dukat in DS9.
The thing about having to die before being frozen is about the current legal system. There's currently no way to bring someone back from being frozen, so freezing them before they die is considered murder. Doing it after the moment of death is basically a funeral arrangement. The law assumes that no revival will ever happen.
All good points. And to add to that, they don't distinguish the difference between having a cure for something that will kill you from the ability to both cure the disease and repair the damage it did once you're dead. It's like saying that they've invented a new motor oil that will make your engine run forever and then pouring it into a blown engine expecting it to run again!
Thank you, came here to say the same thing.
These guys don’t want logic…they want to criticize the show
@@davidwintman6869Well, they're critics so that's sort of their job, isn't it? And TNG is a far, far way of being perfect, so criticism is to be expected.
@@DabbertjeDouwe no… Ostensibly the job of a critic is to keep something on its face. Not to preform a conclusion that you don’t like something and then look for evidence to justify it. These are reaction videos, they’re not reviews whatever they want to call them.
And very frequently… The critiques are not fair or valid. They critique decisions that are understandable, considering the reality of the show.
So if a character always acts the same way and has for 25 episodes of the show… You can’t critique them for how they act in 26 when it’s exactly the same way they’ve always acted. At that point you’re just waiting to point out the same mistake over and over.
I have to say the country singer clearly handled the situation best and that really makes a lot of sense. He was drunk and or stoned through a lot of his 20th century life. He had no meaningful relationships to pine for. As he said for him it was the same dance, just a different tune.
I didn't realize that the first Romulan we meet on this show was played by Marc Alaimo! That voice will always remind me of Gul Dukat.
Congrats on finishing season one! Can't imagine the effort that goes into all this, but we all appreciate it.
Thanks!
Patrick Stewart: "well time to pack my bags in the hotel room, oh wait, I never unpacked".
Although not mentioned, this was the episode where Data says that television didn't last much beyond the year 2040. That seems to be a plausible prediction.
The biggest reason that this episode feels so disjointed (and why the romulan plot is just dropped) is because the episode was literally a first draft. There was a writer’s strike soon after the first full draft of the script was finished, so no rewrites could take place and they had to produce it.
Heh! A writers' strike for more money? That's ironic!
This provides so much context, thanks
How does that explain all the other episodes in seasons 1 and 2 though?
Watched this episode again, and it just occurred to me: How the hell did a late 20th century satellite end up near the Neutral Zone light years away from Earth?
Also, Offenhouse talking to Picard over the intercom was hilarious. Can anyone do that? How could you resist? I mean it'd be like making prank announcements over the intercom at Walmart. "All hands on deck! Captain Picard has lost his toupee. First to find it gets 10 extra holodeck hours for the month!"
Wormholes, Time-Displacement Anomalies, Romulan Shinanigans, Iconian Spacegate, etc.
A satellite is in Earth orbit by definition.
A satellite will eventually fall to Earth from drag.
@@charlesvan13 or it'll end up slung out into deep space if it's orbit is more... what is the word... con-.... vex?
@@kinagrill
You need significant delta-v to escape Earth orbit.
For the Apollo missions the 3rd stage had to fire for 5 min. 50 sec. adding about 7000 mph delta-v.
That's why the shuttle, and other rockets, can't leave low Earth orbit. It takes a substantial amount of fuel to speed up from 17,000 mph to 24,000 mph.
@@charlesvan13 I think it's like 11 kilometers a second or some such... although my derpy memory might be mistaken.
Time travel, which is essentially what's happened to these people, has always fascinated me. It's also why I can overlook the real or imagined issues with this episode.
You should read Arthur C. Clarke's "3001", if you haven't done so already. It has a similar premise to this episode; an astronaut from the early 21st century is revived a thousand years in the future and has to adapt to future society.
The best part of this episode is the fact that it would be used to subtly set up the Borg's presence. It's also really the only part of it that makes it worth watching as well.
The borg were originally going to be the bugs from Conspiracy, but they didn't have the budget for a race of alien bug parasites as a long term threat, so pretty much the entire end of Season 1 was about the borg.
Certainly not the part where Picard says "We don't use money."
Now buy our Season 1 DVD set.
The only thin accomplished in this episode is showing how confused the utopian vision of the star trek future is.
Why would people no longer desire the power to control their destiny? And how can money not exist, when private property exists? So people work jobs, eg. engineer, commander, doctor, and scientist, just for the status, fulfillment and respect?
I thought this was a very funny "fish out of water" episode when I saw it waaay back in 1988. I really enjoyed Picard dressing down Offenhouse, who seemed like a greedy corporate type completely out of his element. Sonny was hilarious, even if in hindsight his behavior was a bit sexist (telling Crusher she's the cutest doctor he's ever seen and patting her on the behind? Lol).
The Enterprise crew definitely treated the 20th century people like children, and in a sense they were. To me, humans in the 24th century world of Star Trek are almost a different species, more mature both emotionally and intellectually than their 20th century forebears.
Yes it was a cheesy episode, but it did give us some small insight into what it was like to live in the 24th century & how far humanity had come. Plus we got to see the new Romulan starship design, very cool!
The enterprise crew was arrogant, as if all the technological advances came by them personally. And that technology was the advancement. The humans usually behaved far worse than these three, when they didn't have the technological advantage.
Remember that everything is a hobby in the Federation, even growinggrapes for wine. Nobody had to do anything to get food to appear on the table.
I will give them this. Anyone with their nose so high up it acts as a rain catcher can't be all bad.
@@icecold9511 Well only the best of Starfleet get posted to the Enterprise, so they're bound to be a little snooty. There are still engineers who have to design new technology in the Star Trek universe. It's post-scarcity but I don't see AI or robots doing everything for humans.
@@RobertWF42 well...worf couldn't open a door without the android's help...
Offenhouse is the one most likely to be incapable of adjusting to current-time.
@@kinagrill Offenhouse in the novelizations became the Federation's ambassador to the Ferengi because he's possibly the only human in the 24th century that could counter their bullshit on their level.
Amusing that the most important words in this episode are "We are back", when it features Linda Hamilton, who starred in the Terminator movies, which gave the world the legendary line "I'll be back." It's a weird connection I know, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
And _damn,_ Linda Hamilton was a good-looking woman in her day!
That's not Linda Hamilton, though, but a different actress. However , it has been suggested that Hamilton was to play Janeway.
Yes when people get used to automatic doors, they literally walk into the door when it doesn't open.
In fact I'm pretty sure that there's some original Star Trek series outtakes of the actors walking into the doors that failed to open. They had to commit that they were walking through that door. They couldn't look like they were hesitating before going through the door every time.
Imagine some kid today getting shown an oldschool manual-dial telephone with the whole wheel, the mouthpiece grip, the speaker-bit to hold up to the ear, etc.
They'd be just.... how in the hell does this thing work?
I watched my first episode of TNG last week. It’s my favorite thing in the world. So well written and optimistic. I actually enjoyed this episode especially the last few lines about how going to Earth would be going backwards. I hope I never become this nit picky.
It has taken us years of practice.
The worst thing about season 1 TNG is the music that tells you when things are supposed to be "funny".
Breaks my heart that you only have ~600 subs. You deserve far more. Just know that we certainly appreciate the work!
Only 600? They’re up to 5.6k!
@@DeltaAssaultGaming
Well that’s great!
I just watched this episode again for the first time in a while. I'll admit that it isn't very strong and definitely has it's silly moments (like Worf with the door) but, overall it was entertaining at the very least. In regard to the sub-plot of the resuscitated earthlings: That also invites some other questions I've yet to hear anyone ask. Why wasn't the satellite kept closer to Earth? How did it just manage to drift so far across the quadrant and do so without anyone having stumbled upon it yet? Well, plot armor, of course but, anyhow...
As far as saying it didn't really go anywhere, well.. There's a bit implied about the adaptability and resilient nature of humans emotionally and, I would say that comes from the very minimal closure we get to the Earthling's individual stories. The lady going to visit Indianapolis when she got back to Earth, "Sonny" hoping to kickstart an entertainment career again and, absolutely most interestingly and unexpectedly enough; Offenhouse shows a hint at a possible new path for himself when he quickly and accurately assesses Commander Tebok's disposition after watching the exchange over the viewer. Leading to his frustrated outburst. Picard even agreed, with him! Why Offenhouse is still on the bridge after the order was given to remove him is an entirely different story though. That outburst also leads up to the best line of the episode with "You're out of line, mister!" by Riker. I busted out laughing at that delivery... haha he called him "mister". So, a subtle hint there at Offenhouse possibly being suited for a position in Starfleet itself?
I agree overall though. Very weak season finale. The previous episode "conspiracy" would've made a way better one. I'd say this was... just a regular old C grading from me.
I liked the review! 'm going to subscribe to you guys!
...sorry for the long ass comment.
Yes I was also curious how a pre-warp Earth satellite was transported all the way to the edge of Federation space! That's like several hundred light years, right?
Very funny how Offenhouse wanders onto the bridge. No security badges required, just walks right in. Imagine if he had totally freaked out seeing those two Romulans on the screen. He could have started a war with the Romulan Empire.
it was floating around when a ship going warp 1 cruised by and it got caught in the warp field and dragged along. Then it kept drifting at high speeds for 300 years.
I could actually see Offenhouse becoming an Orion slave trader or something like that. Given that his whole life was centered around money, he might realize that he would be more fulfilled dealing with the Ferengi or the Orions.
I couldn't believe anything built in the late 20th Century would last that long. Putzing around the universe leaving carbon footprint.
You almost forgot about all the other families and children they were dragging into armed conflicts and astronomical anomalies/catastrophic situations with every other day.
Ithought the Borg were still in the Delta Quadrant.
Imagine the guy who got frozen 🥶
And it’s just his head. 😬
And he’s like… “crap! It’s TNG and Futurama? Awe man!”
The threat was the crystal Xmas tree eating planets and stuff.
The B story line was to attempt to connect us with the show. The passengers were from the late 20th century, possibly from the '80s, which is when the show was made. Similar to the movie Star Trek IV: The Journey Home, when the crew travels back in time to the later half of the 20th century. They arrive in the late '80s, the same decade when the movie was made. Though that was to save money on sets and effects primarily.
Wasnt that southern guy from the 20th century some sort of folkmusic star, back then, in real life?
He’s a character actor
Yeah the reason I looked up this clip is because of the oxygen thing it’s ridiculous and to not know what kind of bacteria or diseases could also be hard on all these planets let alone out they never check for environmental conditions they just say class M. Wouldnt visiting other races and unexplored planets pose a huge threat of disease and in reality when you’ll be wearing a full hazmat suit with oxygen every time you being down somewhere
Your opinions are entirely justified, but I have a soft spot for this episode. I liked the idea of the past people coming forward, and wish something had been done with it.
I've totally walked into (or almost) doors that are supposed to open when there's no handle. It's just habit...
For some reason Gul Dukat is wearing a Romulan costume...
Yea, my biggest problem with this episode is lack of resolution.
Star trek TNG is still my favorite though.
First season was a little lame, but the series got way better as the years went by
Did you catch your music singer get really big and Federation I want to clean on July we could’ve played For the troops in the Dominion War
The Romulan who says "We are back" is the Marc Alaimo who played Gul Dukat in DS9.
I'm just glad I'm not the only person who thought she looked like Linda Hamilton.
When you look at the context of the conversation, Picard is not saying that the power to control your life is an illusion. He's saying that it's an illusion to think money can grant you that power.
Picard didn't know about Quark's cousin Gaila. He owned his own moon.
@@KatriceMetaluna lol good point. Yeah, the ferengi were a capitalist contrast to the federation.
I love how sanctimonious the Captain and Crusher are. "They (the bumpkins of the 20th century) were terrified of death!" No shit lady, that's called millions of years of evolution. You are a DOCTOR, you are supposed to SAVE LIVES.
And the Captain admonishing Mr. Wall Street: "Humanity has given up the pursuit of "things". Sure cap. Want to explain why your family still owns and runs a private vineyard? Or why people gamble with gold-pressed latinum? Or why you, Picard, personally collect rare archaeological curiosities? (A little like Kivas Fajo in The Most Toys)
And for all of the judgement the crew heap on 20th century people who just wanted to survive it should be noted that:
Picard is estranged from his brother.
Riker is estranged from his father. (also fucks aliens without regards to greater political implications)
Worf is estranged from his son. (also gets his ass kicked at every opportunity)
Troi is estranged from her mother. (also terrible at her job)
Geordi can barely relate to women and is nearly paralyzed with fear when attempting any sort of romantic pursuit. (Frequently at the receiving end of some kind of painful malfunction that he failed to detect or correct)
Data's "father" essentially built a homicidal maniac for his own amusement.
Tasha's whole planet was a failed colony, was likely raped as a child and eventually abandoned her sister (who might be a terrorist)
The Federation has, or at least tolerates;
-Arranged marriages like on Betazed
-Slavery like on Orion
-Literal torture (Worf's pain ritual on the holodeck)
-Genocide like the aliens in Conspiracy
-Placing civilians and even children on board starships which regularly face hazardous situations and war.
-Black markets for things like Romulan Ale
-A theoretical "classless" society, the Federation clearly has stratified social order, with border colonies being the most ignored, maligned, and endangered.
-the notion that "Poverty was eliminated *on Earth*, when it is clear that many planets (Nimbus III, Turkana IV etc.) that are more or less under the Federation's sphere of influence are shockingly poverty stricken and belligerent.
-a shocking amount of cultural stereotyping and bigotry. It is never "Klingon Culture usually has..." Or "Many Ferengi seem to enjoy..." Instead it is ALL Klingons do X, ALL Ferengi do Y.
-a blind obedience to the prime directive (when convenient), which if followed would lead to the death of entire civilizations. The directive is ignored when, for example, the captain wants to go four-wheeling (Nemesis). The logic being that interfering with a pre-warp civilization *might* result in their destruction or a deviation from their natural cultural evolution. But if a planet is going to be destroyed anyway, there would BE NO CIVILIZATION. All the lives, songs, dances, histories, poems, art, cuisine, dramas, laws, customs, technology, cities, gardens and literature would be lost forever if the Prime Directive is followed to the letter. This would have happened at least twice in TNG, (Pen Pals, Homeward), but for the disobedience of others.
So for all their high-minded talk, the Federation and Starfleet aren't exactly the perfect little Angels they pretend to be.
Nice try.
"Want to explain why your family still owns and runs a private vineyard?"
Are they selling their wine? They appear to be preserving a tradition.
Is Sisko's father selling the food _he_ makes?
"Or why people gamble with gold-pressed latinum?"
On a space station outside of The Federation? By the way, DS9 is the Anti-Trek, so I wouldn't be surprised if you found contradictory information in that series.
"Or why you, Picard, personally collect rare archaeological curiosities? (A little like Kivas Fajo in The Most Toys)"
Picard doesn't "collect" artifacts for profit (and I wouldn't be surprised if he sent some/most of them to Federation museums while he personally hangs on to replicated copies for the memories...a reminder of adventures). Sheesh...try thinking next time.
"Placing civilians and even children on board starships which regularly face hazardous situations and war. "
You say "placing" as though these people are forced to do something; these people CHOOSE to go aboard a starship.
By the way, you're watching episodes where exciting things happen. How many other (mundane) days of the week/month/year do we _not_ personally witness? How many planets (i.e., NOT STARSHIPS) face danger from attacking aliens/diseases/cosmological phenomena/et cetera? Seems like risk is a factor no matter where you live.
"-the notion that "Poverty was eliminated *on Earth*, when it is clear that many planets (Nimbus III, Turkana IV etc.) that are more or less under the Federation's sphere of influence are shockingly poverty stricken and belligerent. "
I had to look up "Nimbus III"; turns out that planet is in a video game.
Turkana IV is an exception to the rule.
What "many" planets? Name some more.
"-Genocide like the aliens in Conspiracy"
The Federation personally hunted down the Bluegills and wiped them out? Picard and Riker removed/killed the ones controlling Starfleet personnel...that's all that happened.
"-Literal torture (Worf's pain ritual on the holodeck)"
I thought we were all about respecting voluntary cultural practices?
You guys missed that the Romulan commander is Gul Dukat!
Love these reviews, even when I don't fully agree. But I gotta say the line Picard has about Power as a means of controling your destiny being an illusion, while perhaps a bit rude given the circumstances is definitely in character for him, at least what we see later. He's very philosophically minded and for all the power he has there are so many times he runs into situations where it doesn't get him what he wants. He specfically asks what kind of power this guy wants, so he's not saying that power itself is an illusion or even that one can take charge of one's life. Rather he's asserting that this guys fundamental attitude, that with enough power you become the master of your fate. Picard has seen enough to know that however much power one attains, one cannot possibly account for the infinite possibilities of life and thus "Control your Destiny." Plus Picard's power is not his own by any means, it's given to him by others, and not for his own sake but to help others.
Yeah, I almost never agree with these reviews but I still love the videos.
This just aired Monday on heroes and icons and watched it twice before deleting. I just had to come here to see if you guys thought it was as dull as I did. Season One was such a dud in general. Thanks guys for confirming I haven’t lost my mind🖖. It’s my third round of rewatching, so the last time was several months ago, but I managed to ‘forget it’😎
You can see Roddenbury's influence in this episode.
Money and property are useless... Now let me tell you about the vineyard my family owns...
Wasn’t that guy a villain in one of the Naked Gun movies? And Ricardo Montalban was in the first one. They do resemble each other too.
it's a combination of
BALANCE OF TERROR
&
THE ENTERPRISE INCIDENT
Gul Dukat as a Romulan
Hey I just started with Star Trek TNG and am really enjoying watching episodes and afterwards your summaries.
I must be an outlier because I actually enjoy all the cheesiness of season 1 and people keep telling me "it starts getting good season 3". Welp looking very forward to that.
I have to say this episode was one of my favorites tbh. Maybe the german dub makes it better but I really enjoyed the interactions between the old earthlings and the starfleet. Especially when mr knock off elvis got so encharmed by data!
Really enjoy your serious and will finnally give you a sub haha!
Keep it going! :)
Glad you're enjoying TNG and our videos as well! The German dub may well have helped, because it was mostly the way knock-off Elvis talked that made him so annoying in English.
"Microbrain" first season Worf.
Yeah .
And how the first ferangi we meet in tng is quark in different makeup.
It’s not like there’s a holodeck they could use to get them caught up on history
Keep it up guys. Love these
What a quirky episode. Something about the writing of this one reminds of Space 1999 with a touch of Lost in Space. It has some great ideas, but the way they play out is uneven - both entertaining, and frustratingly stupid - sometimes at the same time!
The power to control your life is based upon the _"Free Will Assumption"_ which is widely refuted in the future, because it is understood that free will - meaning 'without cause or influence' is an illusion. Try thinking of something without influence 😉
Instead, it is what people do as a team or joint venture which cultivates knowledge. (Teams research, design, engineer, build; accomplish)
This is also the first time TNG mentions a future economic system - Called a *Resource-Based Economy* which we need to transition to soon as Growth for the sake of Growth is not only the ideology of the Cancer Cell but is also not tangibly possible on a planet with finite resources. It is perhaps the most fundamental scene in the entire series due to its relevance right now, which concerns many Scientists like myself who are struggling to put this forward in the public psyche. 😟
The ending question _"then what's the challenge?"_ has a rather curtailed response - _"To improve yourself"_ but I also like how Picard reaffirms _"Material Needs no longer exists"_ here because we are about to enter a new era where this is happening already. People stream rather than hoard physical media, people prefer to rent rather than own, & public ownership where everyone has one of everything each is a waste of resources based upon Capitalistic fear-driven loss of possession, competition, & anti-socialism.
The fact that such perspicacious & corporeal topics are discussed in the same story involving Space Mutant Beatles, A Weepy Widow, a redneck Bottle Junky, & Elon Musk's Dad is bizarre as it is curious. 🤔 Of all the stories they could have used to promote the world's most famous, grandiose, controversial, & feasible Socio-economic system.. it had to be THIS one!
If anyone thinks they can grasp and support it, as Roddenberry did.. it's called *The Venus Project* 🌍🖖🙃
He was in Dallas too😄
Found the series yesterday evening (way too late) and binging it now as I work
Also Worf, as all Klingons, breathe Honour!
Worf: "Doors, my mortal enemy..."
Along with everything else in the universe.
I knew Peter Mark Richman from the 70s TV show "ElectraWoman and DynaGirl". And if you think TNG season 1 is cheesy... at least TNG has Ron Jones and Dennis McCarthy!
The Troi scene with the old Enterprise model in the background is ruined by the old Enterprise model in the background.
C- for me as well. The frozen popsicle cliches got a bit much, especially Sonny with what surely was that othet theme from "Deliverance" twanging in the background...
How did a 20th century probe get hundreds of light years from earth??
This episode was written during a writer's strike.
You are missing the point of Picard's point about power. He wasn't saying that the power to control your life itself is an illusion. Only that it is an illusion that capitalism or other coersive and exploitative hierarchal systems can grant that power. That hoarding wealth gives you that power. The kind in "That kind of power" is referring to power by force and coersion, not control of your own life.
As he would say later "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." The abidjng by systems that tell you you can elevate yourself above others, esp through something as arbitrary as currency is a form of self chaining. Just playing the games of men who have been dead for centuries.
Under that illusion you're just as chained as the people you stepped on to get there. Are you free if you have to get some authority to quell riots? Are you free if you require everyone you employ beneath you to play nice? When your tenuous power high is 100% dependant on the cooperation of others, and how when people notice your abuse of that power, you have to constantly be on the defensive, and fighting against the free will of others? Wouldn't it be better to just... cooperate without all that roundabout fuss out of fear of being someone else's victim? Then you can be truly free. Real freedom comes from mutual respect. Not playcoins or a gun or a boot. Otherwise pretty good review.
You are completely correct. I just wrote something very similar to what you say in the first paragraph. When you pay attention to the context of the overall conversation, it is very clear what kind of power Picard is talking about.
That is a lot of paradigm shifting nonsense to put on a couple of lines in an old tv show. So I'm guessing you prefer authoritarian socialism, or communism? Which is what compelled socialism is.
@@MountainFisher It makes sense if you understand the definitions of political ideologies and what they mean. There are libertarian and authoritarian forms of socialism and communist society is stateless.
@@dimetronome Name one stateless communist country? I know what Marxism is _supposed_ to be, but when did humanity stop being fallen and corrupt? It has never worked and never will because it has no grasp of human nature. Best countries in the world to live in are all capitalist with high taxes for good social programs like Sweden or Norway.
Looks like China is trying to go back to its Maoist days. Close to one billion people, still called communist and has next to no social safety nets. China is run more like the National Socialist's thug system, i.e. Nazis.
@@MountainFisher If you understood what you were talking about, nevermind the simple fact that the current system is literally a compelled one, then you might be capable of some statement of value in this context.
As you clearly don't, as your understanding of these ideas is defined by strawmen and the intentional mischaracterizations of RWers along with the actions of charlatans who never really believed in these ideas in the first place, only using lipservice to them for power while getting rid of those who genuinely believed these ideas... Charlatans like the Bolsheviks, Maoists, etc. I feel pretty comfortable dismissing your points without further interaction... However. I don't feel right leaving it at that because I choose to believe you aren't malicious, and even if you are, that there are people seeing these messages that can be reached.
If you knew about the Black army and Makhnovscina, if you knew about the Paris commune of 1871 and how it's massive shifts towards humanism, direct democracy, and rights for all during it's short tenure redefined thought in political sciences around how societies can operate and led to Marx' writings in the first place. If you understood that "dictatorship of the proletariat" isn't at all the way MLs characterize it to gain power, but a form of direct democracy where the entirety of society participates in lawmaking as opposed to a select few, which can be easily understood by the fact Marx literally used that previously mentioned Paris Commune, that had no hierarchal government as an example... If you knew how the Bolsheviks replaced the Makhnovschina's public democratic soviets (councils) where anyone could participate with closed ones only welcome to specific party puppets when they retook ukraine... If you understood any of this, you certainly wouldn't follow the reductive mischaracterized sentiment you have parroted.
The biggest irony is that you get the ideas you are spouting from the same exact kinds of people you claim are on my side. Those that seek power for themselves at the expense of others. It doesn't matter what people claim to believe. All that matters is what they do and what they allow to persist. Anyone can say they believe in communism and socialism just like anyone can say they believe in freedom. Authoritarians and grifters using distortions of concepts like freedom doesn't take away from the value of that tenet. This principal applies to socialism and communism as well, regardless of how those who seek power try to frame things.
You guys were so awesome
I jsut randomly wanted to watch a clip from this episode lol
5:52 ...... so you don't loose muscle tone and strength when frozen for 300 years
You guys are being too serious about this episode. This is clearly a fun situation episode. The point is clearly not the romulans or the threat it's all about the people from the past contrasting with the crew and how they deal with it.
The romulan part is just set up for the next season.
This could easilly be top5 of season1 because all the other ones are so bad, I think you forgot how bad the first half is.
Adam Chance!
Was that Linda Hamilton?
No.
Your arguments against the outdated tech, the outdated 3 people, etc.... We are talking people basically so out of time it's like you telling a 17th century what to do and what not to do.
Its the future all doors are automatic
you guys sure can't handle that cheazy 80's goof :D its def. not funny, but it never bothered me either.
This fucking episode. I HATED TNG for almost 20 years. I watched it when it first premiered and was so disappointed in comparison to TOG. For almost 20 years, my memory of this show....was basically this entire episode. Terrible. Stupid. No style even. I think I watched the first season, then watched here and there over the years as each new season came and went. But never something I really paid attention to. Granted, I think I was 10 or 11... so my young mind wasn't able to grasp anything too complex. Unfortunately this episode and the first season were one in the same in my memory/association....until a few years back at 1am, I watched a rerun of TNG, and it was as though I was watching it for the first time ( as an adult). Maybe I was stoned, ha. Regardless I enjoy the series now. Thank you for this episode review, as it finally revealed to me why I disliked this show so much all this time in my memory. Seemed like TNG really didn't get their footing until after this season.
Sorry guys but I totally disagree with just about everything you said in regards to this episode it is well written with enough mysteries and character plot to hold your attention and it is one of my personal favorites
Come on......."low millage pit-woofy" (or something like that).........................f'ing golden.
(8K]_/
Your review is justified but overly-critical. Aside from the fact it was hastily produced in lieu of a writers strike back when it first aired it was cutting edge with none of the technology know-how we take for granted. Cryonics was seen as a viable medical silver bullet and TNG was still finding its footing. I really appreciate how they coalesced the two plotlines by literally barging into one-another and driving home the main point: it's about power. Sci-fi is about shining a light on our innermost drives.
D- review
This is great episode. One of the best in first season.
It’s not a great episode. It’s a season 1 episode. Thus it’s shit.
You can skip season1 and not be that affected.
You guys are being rather stuck up, oh "this didn't meet my standards", but Stan or Sonny was genuinely funny. Stan would have made a funny sequel by himself, but you were being too snooty to see that.
9:20 despite you two claim having watched DS9 , it shows you never actually watched it more than a few stray episodes while doing something else (playing minecraft with the kids or something). The guy who says that is Gul Dukat (Marc Alaimo) , also the guy who plays the cop in Total Recall (a movie I know both of you love) when Douglas Quaid (Schwarzenegger) is going through planetary customs in Mars and he is disguissed as an overweight lady ("Two Weeks") and he throws away the mask and explodes. Please, stop fooling around and do a reverse angle episode by episode review of DS9. You seen your own most watched videos. You know this is what we star trek nerds want.
Disagree: Great B plot. Just badly done.
That said, the show was still coming out of the long-held tradition in TV of characters not thinking through anything and being out of touch. Watch stuff from decades ago: You're yelling at the screen for the characters to just THINK. (And I LOVE old TV.) This episode was the epitome of that phenomenon.
100% agreed, really great concept to have a modern perspective clash with the Federation and their 24th century perspective.
Just handled really poorly and shallow in the themes explored. 'Money bad' is just kind of lazy and Picard's disregard of the economic realities of our era seems childish for a man of his education.
It would be like condemning people for Feudal values, you cant judge people without your decades of study and technology supporting the innovations that led to sociological change. There was a time where the transition to Feudalism saved millions of lives by fixing issues with the broken trust of the Roman coinage system, shitty as it was for those living through it.
DS9 ruined the ferengi, this is probably one of the worst episodes of TNG, a very marxist attitude
The power to control your life is *literally* an illusion.
Actually in modern cryogenics when I freeze you have severe sailor game ice crystals form in your sales in the store future they’re helping with them I would also whenever he died from and bring me back to life yes I can bring people back to life as long as they haven’t been there for more than like an hour maybe two hoursAs long as I can fix whatever the problem is that from I like to know what happen is people ever let this year country music singer become like a great entertainer American Federation tour all around the Federation playing concerts I wish you did you are socially Federation trips going to be many more
I believe Cryogenics in this sense is a misapplied term, and the term the writers should have used was "Cryonic" stasis. It's a very common mistake that is found in the vast majority of science fiction, sadly.
What the fuck did you type there
Practically incomprehensible.
Ok guys its just a show with a limited amount of time and doesn't have the time to explain everything. Just enjoy it or not.