Ducati Multistrada 1260 Enduro vs V4S A - Should you upgrade?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.พ. 2022
- What started out as a test ride on the Ducati Multistrada 1260 Enduro for a detailed review and comparison to the Ducati Multistrada V4S turned ended up being short-lived after just a short period of time on the 1260.
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Yeah, I broke down and put a small intro in. Do you have an older Multistrada and considering upgrading to the newer V4 or V2?
As a former owner of the 1260 Enduro and the current v4s, I can confirm that this is a different and better bike. Greetings from Poland
@@lucjangazda3397 Jestem Polką, Litwinką i Włoszką
@@RemboUSMC Small world 😁
Sounds like low tire pressure...I have a 1260s and it handles beautifully and has loads of power
I completely agree with Tempting Fate's comment. I don't own a Ducati, but I test rode a lot of them. Including both Mutistrada 1260 Enduro, and Multistrada V4 S. Overall I like V4 S way much more than 1260 Enduro. BUT I completely disagree with everything that Rambo said about 1260 Enduro in this video. He said that this bike is bulky and difficult to steer on the low speed, and doesn't have much torque when going - but that's exactly the opposite of what I felt when test rode this bike. I clearly remember that 1260 Enduro was VERY light to steer on the parking speeds - like I couldn't believe how light it feels at that speed. I test rode a lot of bikes in my life, including the majority of the most recent top end models - and Multistrada 1260 Enduro is probably the lightest steering big adventure bike ever. There is nothing wrong with the Multistrada V4 S steering either, but it does not steers as light and nimble as the 1260 Enduro at low speeds.
Another thing is torque. I remember going around 100 km/h on the 1260 Enduro on the low throttle in the 4th gear, then I quickly opened the throttle wide - and the bike did quite huge power wheelie. I did not expected that! And Rembo says that 1260 Enduro doesn't wheelies at all - so there was definitely something wrong with the bike when he tested it. And low tire pressure perfectly explains both bad handling and the lack of power and speed.
Now to be honest I have to mention that I actually test rode the same Multistrada 1260 Enduro not once, but twice. First time I rode it the bike was almost new with something like 600-1000 km on the odometer. It had A LOT of torque, and accelerated very rapidly. Sadly, I had no chance to test the bike's top speed during that ride, but one time when I opened the throttle wide and hold it 1260 Enduro easily went over 250 km/h on the speedo, and this wasn't even the top speed - it could definitely go above 260 km/h at least. The second time I rode the same bike was 3 months and ~ 9000 km later - after some journalists took it to the long adventure journey where they treated this bike like a real Enduro. They even bent the rims, so the dealer had to replace it (this was demo bike). And the problem on my second test ride of the Multistrada 1260 Enduro was that it didn't had the power that it should. The bike was really lacking in terms of performance. I also test rode Multistrada 950 S at the same day - 950 first, and then 1260. And I was shocked to discover that this day Multistrada 1260 Enduro had no more power than Multistrada 950. I've had plenty of opportunities to test the top speed that day - and I did. And I was only able to push 232 km/h out of the Multistrada 1260 Enduro that day - and that's while going downhill. On the flat tarmac bike was even slower (around 220 km/h). So there was definitely something wrong with the 1260 Enduro second time I rode it - it just didn't had the power which it had when it was new. Not even close! I don't know why. And no - I did not messed the electronic settings. Everything was set to the maximum power - just like the first time.
As far as i know, all Ducatis with 1260 motor (Multistrada, Multistrada Enduro, Diavel, XDiavel) has a big problem with it's engine: it just dies after 20-30k kilometers because of it's design flaws. And Ducati blames the owners (although it's clearly not their fault), and refuses to replace broken engines under the warranty. I've heard about at least 4 similar cases here in Russia. That's why I don't recommend to buy Ducati 1260 to anyone: they are just extremely unreliable - and that is a proven fact. Besides, they vibrate horribly on the high rpms - that's very uncomfortable.
Thank you Rembo I appreciate you testing the 1260. It answered some of my questions about the difference between the two bikes.
I also appreciate your attentiveness to the concerns of your subscribers who are watching.
Thank you again
Rudy
You are welcome and I appreciate your input and comments.
I just traded in my 2020 1260 Enduro for a 2022 v4s and I’m not sure what was wrong with the 1260 Enduro he was riding. Yes, the v4 is is smoother….but the 1260 Enduro is a wheelie machine, has great range, very fast and very good handling on & off road. While I like the v4 better…they are NOT like night & day different. In fact there are times I wish I still had the 1260 Enduro
Thanks for sharing
Good stuff 🙂 ,i hope you get to try the PP v4 soon .
I have a 1260pp and experienced the same tendency with steering when I bought the bike that has stood still all winter. After I inflated the tires to the right pressure, it steered fantastically! I love the bike but will test drive v4pp on occasion ...
Rembo, thanks for the enlightening comparison between the two. I have a 2020 MTS 1260 Enduro and do understand there is a difference between the two. I understand there is a difference in generation but the two bikes are also built with a different purpose.
I am on the fence and will soon try the V4S (after the winter weather in NJ has gone). I like the V-Twin concept and went with the 1260 Enduro based on the 30L tank (sorry, European habit; 7.9 gallon), the Touratech panniers and the overall gas mileage.
Again, I’m in the fence and will test ride the V4S.
Keep up the interesting videos.
Michael, I completely agree that they were built for two different purposes, with the V4S being more of an actual multi-Strada for on road and the 1260 Enduro set up more for off-road than on road.
@@RemboUSMC I had the 1260 Enduro together with a 2019 Hypermotard 950SP and made the comparison between those two. I was surprised how well and easy the MTS 1260 Enduro cornered at high speed long corners as well during low speed riding.
You really triggered me in testing the MTS V4S. I have had my eye on one here in NJ for a while and will check it out.
I'm glad you mentioned the steering on the 1260, I found it couldn't hold a line and would badly understeeer in certain situations (had a GSA at the time), and I also didn't like the seating position compared with the V4S either. As you say, it was a significant upgrade, basically a 100% all-new bike.
I would certainly agree with that Richard
Personally I think aesthetically the 1260 is a better looking bike. It may be bit more top heavy because of the larger tank but it’s also more fuel efficient. What it lacks in top end hp it gains in torque. The v4s may be bit more refined with advanced technology but the old 1260 was good enough for Carlin Dunne to take Pikes Peak. Nuff said!
If i were to buy a 1260 enduro, it would be to long distance tour and go off road. If I were to buy a V4s it would be to commute and holiogan around. Totally two different bikes for sure.
The range on the Enduro is great!
You definitely had some issues with the bike .. I own the 1260enduro and I tested the v4s and spent a lit of time on it , much easier bike but the delivery power and the feeling of the v2 is still incredible!
you are 200% right, I had the older model 1200 S and believe me there is no comparison with the new model V4s, and the V2 is just the same older model, I have like 100 friends with older models and they don't want to switch to the V4 but the few that did are amazed
Thank you Rembo. Fantastic thoughts. Enlightenment for me I have ridden both the 1260s and the 950s in Bologna during the Dream Tour. The 1260s felt very unrefined to me initially. I kept mum, as I had an inferiority complex, being an Indian among riders coming from the developed world who were all going ga ga about the 1260s and Enduro. On the third day unfortunately (fortunate for me in a way) one of the rider crashed his bike which made them reveal their spare bike hiding in the backup vehicle. It was a brand new 950s. The rider who fell wanted a powerful machine so we swapped our bikes and man the difference was evident. The multi 950s felt so much refined and smooth. So what you say about the V2, I guess is spot on! It must be even more refined. Ducati's learning curve is quite apparent.
Excellent information. Please don’t ever feel intimidated regardless of where you ride or with whom.
I bought the V2😀
@@IanTed Congratulations! I figured from your comment on @NothingToProve channel. My confusion between the f900xr and the V2 still continues, unfortunately.
Tried the V4S but bought the V2, according to the salesman it’s not uncommon, first Ducati after three GSs, but still waiting for delivery. The V2 has more than enough for roads here in the UK, excepting the GSs low down torque. The V2S handles like a dream and has an awesome mid range. As for off road I’d buy something a lot smaller…
The V2 is a great bike!
I have a 2019 1260S touring and it has the factory Ducati tune a d titanium exhaust package. Other than 4th gear going out at about 6500 miles.. it flies .. faster than most other bikes I have been on. With about 167 hp. I will try the V4 soon.
The difference in power between what you have, and the V4 will be absolutely minimum. I don’t think there will be a big difference. The major factor will be the smooth delivery of power on the V4.
the V4s is the multistrada that we should have always had, the enduro is a good bike but with too many peculiarities and completely surpassed by the V4s, both for roads and offroad
Agree
Except when it comes to range - Hope they come out with a larger tank for the V4s
Nice video Rembo ... i will agree that every new bike is a better version of the older one but.....as a 1260 enduro owner and having tested the v4s, i believe that if i was to buy a new bike i wiuld certainly choose the newer version...on the other hand the amount of differences between the new bikes does not justify an immediate transition to the newer version , especially if you dont do many miles on it monthly.....
The difficulty you had while driving the 1260 was not obvious to me when i rode the newr version, so i think that it might had to do with the tyre pressure probably....Best wishes by me and ride safe with joy! (by the way what do you think of the latest version v4s rallye? it seems interesting to me...:)) )
I believe it was a tire pressure problem. The shop told me that they have since changed the tire-pressure gauge because it was way off.
You have to adjust the power settings if it’s on the low setters it will feel very week. If you ride it stick settings without adjusting it’s weak but if you adjust it to full power it you’d not be able to keep the front wheel on the ground and back wheel from slipping
what about the desert "x", i cant wait I'm thinking on buying one.
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I think your off base when it comes to the 1260S non-Enduro model the 17" front wheel 1260 handles the same as the 200 17" front wheel. The Enduro is a totally different geometry configuration with different suspension, ride height, tires and front wheel size (19"). No way does the V4S with its 19" front wheel feel as nimble as the 1260 with a 17" front wheel based on my experiences. Also the 19" front V4S does not steer as quick as the 17" front wheels V2 bikes. Why do you think they came back out with the 17" Pikes Peak model, right!
Ian is a great guy
Agree!
As name suggests, it’s ENDURO version :) BTW it’s has plenty of power and it’s awesome off tarmac.
Real Ducati is V-twin but newest Pikes Peak V4 is temping
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Had my eye on one of these,you just saved me from making a big mistake 👍 thanks 🙏
V4 is a slightly better street bike but I ended up going with the 1260 Enduro to get the 300 mile range. V4 will give you only around 200 miles
Nice choice. By the time I get to 200 miles, I want to get off the bike anyway so for me the mileage is not a big deal for where I live and travel.
I just got a 2016 enduro. Now you depressed me. Just kidding. I believe you, the thing feels like a truck and you have to keep pushing the bars somehow mid corner, but I found that upping the preload on the back brought more balance. Anyway I got it as a long distance traveling machine. I think it will be pretty good at that.
Thank you for sharing that information. Enjoy your motorcycle. It will go a lot farther on a tank of gas than the V4 for sure.
Personally, I think the 950s is the multistrada sweet spot!
V4s is too expensive imho, better bikes for way less money. I just chopped my 1260s for a 1290 super adventure.
I see this video while waiting for my 2020 Enduro to get delivered later this month 😂
I thought long and hard about the V4 (L4? 🤔). It's got a lot to offer, such as the 30k mile valve checks, but the mpg and small gas tank kill it for me. If the V4 had and version with a bigger gas tank and magic modes that'd allow you to switch between 30mpg and 45mpg whenever you want, I'd have been all in.
But I basically wanted a sportier version of the 1250GSA because my priorities are slightly more offroad/long distance, and I was more than happy with the 1260's power/steering coming from a cruiser.
I kinda wonder if you had traction control and wheelie controls off 🤔 you probably did, and I can see picking the V4 if acceleration is what you lean towards. Thanks for the comparison 👍
No problem. Remember, I didn’t take this bike off road but I bet it would do rather well.
I believed that the latest version multistrada is the best possible solution for the riders
I agree
you need to compare V4S the new Multistrada V4 Pike Peak
Absolutely
I completely agree with you, I tested the 1260 (non enduro actually) about a year before I got the V4S, I am glad I gave the V4S a chance after riding the 1260.
The 1260 was difficult to manouver, It had power, but it was delivered in a weird way, and it was so top heavy that I dropped it when doing the test drive whilst parking, that was expensive and expesive test ride!!!. I used to have an XDiavel with a similar engine as the multi and that was great on top of being the most beautiful bike I have ever owned.
Hi Rembo, hope you're ok recovering from madman who knocked you off! very interesting what you're saying, you raise some good comparisons between two great Ducatis. Maybe you just rode a badone- did u check psi of tyres? I own the Enduro 1260S - red version, and the bike handles pretty well in my view, & I'm a V4 street fighter owner too. (Standard version, without fancy suspension, as you know) I've got a crazy BMw scrambler (R9T ). I'm sure you're right new V4 handles better than predecessor but it's still a hot bike..... I love it...bought it end of PCP finance deal. It goes like stink but hasn't got the excitement of V4 I admit, or the equisite handling but you got to be one hell of a rider to see difference. I've never had one issue throughout its lifetime with electronic or anything else....it's been an iron horse 🐎 and 💯 percent reliable
The tire pressure was supposedly checked before I took the ride. I could see it affecting the steering but not the ability to have power to wheelie the bike or feel the torque. Excellent observation, however. It is possible that maybe the front tire was very low, although it did not look or feel like it
@@RemboUSMC Hi Rembo, things have moved a lot with tech on with the new Multi - the V4S as you say...and at some point I will upgrade as it offers a more complete package, I agree. But worried about tech niggles that appear to crop up, cheers Nish (England, UK)
I have an enduro 1200 16 and love it. I would probably like the v4 better but price is the double 😆 better not try it
It’s hard to believe that that motorcycle is twice the price of the 1260. Things are getting crazy, aren’t they?
This is 100% wrong about the Enduro model. Just take a look at the torque between the two motors.
I’ve ridden the V4S Multi and Panigale and was disappointed in the lower engine response.
The L twin leap forward a lot better than the V4 motor.
I acknowledge your opinion.
I have traded my 2020 Enduro for the V4s and I only miss the 500Km (300 miles) range. The v4 it´s a better bike, engine, comfort (wind protection and suspension) and so must funniest.
Thanks for sharing and confirming
What would you say your range is now?
@@doliver9986 280-300km, on good days...
and very more thirsty 🙂
I Have a 2015 1200 that rips. Will wheelie in every gear. Flip over backwards and kill you on sport 1,1,1 if you're not careful. I don't think you were in sport mode dude. Lol
It was definitely in sport but it was the Enduro model
Hmmm you would think it would be the same tune on sport for the street. Wtf
I will never trade my 1200 for a V series. Ever. MAYBE a 1260. But never a V. Unless it was a V4 pikes peak RS that someone was just giving away because it scared them. Their overpriced, and arent as good as their previous gen.
Terrible at handling and underpowered sounds right up my alley
You would love it.
I had a 2014 MS and I find that the V4 is better everywhere but not as greatly as you describe the Enduro. Damn.
There is a lots of nonsense in this video even the 1200 Enduro has a lot of power coming from a Triumph Rocket 3 something was wrong with the bike you were riding
you are going against most reviews. first time i've heard a 1260cc ducati is a dog.
The one I test rode certainly was.
i guess real men need only apply for the 1260 enduro
Absolutely. Just not girls like me.
@@RemboUSMC i saw the ride and bought the ticket, the previous owner shaves with a meat axe, there's something about it that has me hooked tho, but the dream would be the v4 pp, even over the new rally that's coming out next year.
I think you were victimized by low tire pressure. All the 1260s pull your arms off with midrange power compared to the 1200 DVT bikes. I believe the 1260 E uses a smaller rear sprocket and that would lower the overall gearing making it even more of a low end monster. No, i dont get your experience and no other reviewer reached your conclusion about the power. Steering and ride height will be less responsive but not as bad as the 1200 Enduro was. I fully expect a 1260 bike to out pull. A V4s exiting corners with higher torque numbers below 6000 rpm. In roll on power tests i have seen show the 1260 pull the V4s up until the rpm hits 8000 then the V4s takes over. But who goes around riding a ducati running over 8000 rpm on average?
I have to agree. I have the 2020 Enduro and it will in fact rip your arms off. This review does make me curious about the v4. The folks at the dealer don't necessarily think the upgrade is required, but they also acknowledge the some people just want the newest thing... now, that white multi v4s looks absolutely stunning to me. hmmm...
hey get a real bike R1250GSA
The GSA is a great bike.