BMW R1250GS or Ducati Multistrada V4 - not that hard of a choice?
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A fully honest comparison between BMW R 1250 GS and Ducati Multistrada V4 S. Each one clearly wins in som categories, so at the end of the day it's about what you care about more. My Instagram page: / thevtold
KTM has nothing to do with this video and despite me having their mug and an umbrella (purchased myself), it was added to this video as a humorous accent. However, before putting my money into BMW or Ducati, I'd try the KTM too - either 1290 Super Adventure or 1290 Super Duke GT. Just as I would add a BMW S 1000 XR to the list before making the final choice.
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0:00 - Introduction
0:20 - 5 categories of this comparison
0:36 - 1: Engine and performance
10:17 - 2: Handling and balancing
15:49 - 3: Technology and equipment
20:59 - 4: Quality and design
22:28 - 5: Comfort and overall feel
25:42 - Which one I would choose
The 2021 Ducati Multistrada V4 S and 2021 BMW R 1250 GS shown in the video belong to Ducati and BMW Liberty Motors dealership in Piaseczno (Warsaw), Poland and there you can test ride them both: libertymotors.pl
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I have my first GS a 2021 Triple Black, and it's the most neural seating, most confortable Bike I ever ridden. This bike can take corners like a Sport Bike, it torques out of coners, and the low center of Gravity does make it handle fantastic. I'm 59 yrs old, and this GS is my 26th motorcycle in my lifetime ,and I'm thinking of keeping this GS.
Thank you for the insights. Having owned 26 motorcycles sounds incredible and I wonder how that's even possible but what matters here is that your recommendation for the GS stands really strong because of that. Thanks for sharing and all the best with your '21 GS!
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If you started at 16 like i did 26 isn't that difficult. I did honda mt-5 1996 then cb125rs 1997 passed test got a kmx200 just to make the most of my licence. Then got a suzuki gs500e as the kmx200 was impractical. Did 59 miles to a tank. And so much 2stroke oil. My dad bought a honda xl250r and never once rode it so I used that and the gs500. Got a xr250r (1997) in 1998 brand new old stock. as I liked the xl250r and wanted my own. Left my job sold the xr250r needed the money. Then bought a kawasaki gpz500s (wanted this rather than the gs500e all along but the gs500 was cheaper) so that's 7 in 2 1/2 years came back to riding in 2011 had another xr250r import (electric start) xr125L 2004 bmw f800gs and a aprilia sx50 motard.
man what a life you had 😊
I'm just new with motorcycles. I OWNED 4 and a scooter in 3 years. Sold my ninja 1000 and r3, bought a Honda cb650r and a GS 1250. So that 6 already and new XMAX scooter thats 7 already within 4 years. Is 26 or 30 bikes in you lifetime is impossible? I don't think so. I am planning to sell my old 2 and buy a Harley cruiser.
Did over 2500 kms tour of Scotland in September with a friend on his Ducati V4s and me on my 1250GS. Very matched bikes. 2 big differences. Vario Luggage on GS much more capacity than Ducati panniers.
Big DIFFERENCE was fuel economy. Even though we rode together at same speeds and together throughout, the V4s was 25% more THIRSTY than the GS1250 at every fuel stop!
Thanks for sharing this and I actually really expected the BMW to be more fuel efficient. I remember the 1150 and 1200 boxers which were really good with saving fuel. Glad to have it confirmed that at least in comparison to others, this still stands.
@@VToldsMotoShow I think a lot of it to do with the Torque, I could leave in 5 or 6 gear for most riding whereas the V4s needed to be dropped to 3 or 4 with much more revs to keep to same speeds as the GS. My friend said he honestly prefers the characteristics of the 1260 engine, his previous bike as he changes the multistrada every year. He also was not a fan of the Pikes Peak version due to over sporty Ohlins for touring and preferred the S models with the electronic suspension. Good to get real opinion of new bikes rather than the paid journalists or influencers who are encouraged to report ‘progress’
Is this surprising ? One is a monster engine putting out 170hp+. The other is a pretty old boxer engine design updates from decades ago.
Bikings not what it used to be ☹️
Thanks for the info thou not surprising really. In Sydney both these bikes in top spec are almost $40,000AUD Ouch! So if you can afford these bikes I don't think fuel economy is an issue for you.
1. Nobody takes into account how quickly V4 is reving. It may have lower torque, but the speed it revs up covers for it. You twist the throttle and you are in your peak revs.
2. V4 has a 19" front wheel - only Pikes Peak version has 17"
3. You can get an electric fuel cap for the Multistrada - of course for extra $$$
4. At the end V4 give you an impression on riding a sportsbike due to its engine but in a adventure-comfortable position.
5. Ducati can have navigation on your TFT screen so you don't need extra navigation it is not possible for GS - you need extra BMW naviagator.
Actually the BMW does allow for turn-by-turn navigation in the TFT, using your phone. So you don't have to buy the GPS. I have it because I ride places where there's no cell coverage so the GPS is more reliable
@@StringBanger you can always take the NAV back and exchange it for a new one if it's giving you problems. I had to do that and they just handed me a new one in the box, no questions asked.
As an older rider (63), i prefer torque, drive-shaft, balancing , anti -diving front suspension and comfort over horse power and sound. I do believe the bmw is better in gas mileage than the Ducati. I can understand that younger riders may prefer the raw power and looks of a Ducati. Both are great bikes however, they do have their price. What’s with the burning left leg? I never had an issue with that or never noticed it. Thank you for a thorough and fair review 👍.
Thanks for sharing your view. I'm glad you liked the video. As for the "burning" left leg when riding the Multistrada V4 S, it's that the engine gets very hot on its left side to the point that the close proximity of a rider's left leg to it causes discomfort. I called that "burning" the leg and perhaps touching the engine (any bike's engine) could literally cause that. Still, here it's the emission of heat on its left side that's not comfortable and unusual.
The Ducati has some nice features but uses a lot of plastic. Engine alone it puts a smile on. But look closely the Pannier attachment points and panniers are junk. I felt the total package lacked the fit and finish compared with the GS.
100% agree try both at 50 mph in top gear to 80 where most of us live and see who is the winner
The anti dive front end let the gs down for me. Little to no front end feed back worried me, I was lucky the bike I rode had crash bars fitted, stop me crashing through losing the front end twice in a fifty mile jaunt. Relying on scaffolding around the bike to keep it shiny side up didn't impress, apparently you get used to it. Being scared to ride a little bit more adventurous scared me in stead of exciting me, you also get the stigma of owning a bmw, just as scary as the front end.
I would like to see the v4 clocking over 60mpg two up full panniers and topbox at just over motorway speeds
I have test ridden both motorcycles and to me the BMW GS just feels more comfortable to ride. It is such a well refined motorcycle. Yes, perhaps the Ducati is faster but that is not the point with an adventure bike. The GS is quick enough for me.
Great honest review of the two bikes! I can’t wait to have a go on the Multistrada!
Thanks, I'm glad you like the review. The Multi is a beast when it comes to performance.
i had a GS and currently own a Multistrada V4 S, both are amazing motorcycles but i have to agree that Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes, it is just so much fun to ride!!
The Multistrada is for people who aren't quite ready to give up sports bikes but still want comfort and tech. As such it's the one I'd have.
Nicely said!
I have a R1250GGS te, has to be the best most versatile bike ever. No sports bike will stick with you on a twisty mountain road, suspension is outstanding and fantastic for touring. Get one you wont look back
No sports bike will stick with you a twisty road? Lol…
@@jerseycitymuaythai4177 not sure what your comment is ?
And I get what you meant about a twisty road and I'm very much convinced that it's exactly on point. I'd add that an inexperienced or simply careful rider could do so much on a twisty road with a GS that it would require a relatively much more experienced or fearless rider on a sports bike to keep up.
@@jerseycitymuaythai4177 I`m with you mate :D
What a great review mate! The best i have seen. Keep at it bro!
Thank you and I'm happy that you enjoyed watching. All the best!
Great comparison! Thanks!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad you liked it!
The 1260 L twin with race map and full Termi exhaust puts a smile on my face every time I throw a leg over. Not as good on dirt but 80 % on road it’s the perfect weapon.
Oh, that's a lovely combo - proper Ducati's V2 with an aftermarket exhaust is fantastic! Lucky you and it seems like you're not missing anything!
Great review! Subscribed. Just wish you would have touched a little more on reliability and maintenance costs but overall an excellent job. Thank you. 👍🏼
Thanks, I'm happy that you enjoyed. As for running costs and reliability, this requires a conversation with a specific dealer to know their labor rates for example. In terms of reliability on the other hand, this is best verified by long-term owners I think. However, I spent some time with a few Ducatis and BMW over the last years and only one BMW had a little issue and that was F900XR which at some point wouldn't want to start its engine - I'll show it in my review of it next week. While Ducatis: my first ride around 2010 was with a salesperson on a Monster 1100 which they were unable to start for a few minutes - the engine wouldn't engage. Then I rode a Multistrada 1200 after the facelife that wasn't showing fuel level - that was a demo bike too. And then a Diavel that had some clicking noise that likely was caused by a chain. All these bikes were dealers' bikes that would undergo regular inspections. Still 3 flaws vs 1 temporary. I'd say that there may be something to the legendary Ducati issues. But I wouldn't bother and just get the bike that I like and just fix it when it needs it. And new ones are under warranty, so no worries anyway.
I'm turning 30 in about a month and I just got my first GS about 2 months ago. A 2021 1250 Rallye. I'm coming from sport bikes and track days (I did keep the '03 RC51 in the stable, so there is that) but as my fiance has really started enjoying riding pillion over this past year, I needed something more suitable for her to get on the back of and have it really be enjoyable for some planned touring. The Speed Triple RS had accommodations for her, but it just wasn't enjoyable for either of us. I also was trying to consolidate a bit as my number of bikes was getting a little out of hand and wanted a great all around option. I was really considering the V4S as I figured that would be a perfect compromise between my love of speed, sport bikes and riding hard yet still have the passenger accommodations and comfort. However once I went and saw, sat, and rode on each bike I ended up going with the GS. There are certainly pros and cons to each bike, but the GS just felt like more of the complete package and more refined overall, and even though the V4S clearly has it beat in sound, and rowdiness overall... The GS really surprised me in just how quick and sporty it can be rode. The handling is so surprisingly light and agile and the front end surprisingly sharp. As long as you're not trying to lean it over at sport bike angles, it will give you every bit of mid corner sport bike confidence you would ever need for spirited twisty road riding. I have a riding buddy on an '06 GSXR1000 and when we ride the twisties I let him go ahead and I have no issues staying on his tail, though I fancy myself the better rider. Also I preferred the look of the GS, and I thought the overall build quality seemed much better on the GS as well. The Multi just has such a big bulbous mid section and I felt the front end was too short.
Thanks for sharing all this - it was certainly an enjoyable read for me. Now I'd say that you've chosen a very nice gift for yourself the 30th birthday! And as I see, you've considered a lot of factors that ultimately led you to choosing the GS. As you mentioned, V4S has some advantages over it so it's all about what you like the most in a bike and what your preference is. I'm glad that you were able to make your choice, base it on specific areas and that you seem happy with the choice. Some say that there are reasons for so many riders choosing a GS and there's no way to argue with that. I hope that you'll be as happy with the bike as you are as a GS seems to be a great companion for how you like to use it. Especiall hunting that GSXR 1000! Cheers!
I'm 67 years old. I've owned two BMW's (one RT and one K1200R). I've also owned two Multi's. I have ridden the RT on a 5300 mile tour and must say it was the most uncomfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have ridden the Multistrada on a 7800 mile tour and felt much more comfortable. These tours were done in North America and although both were enjoyable, the longest one on the Multi was more so. The question of shaft vs chain is always a point of conversation. I know that around the 2007 time frame BMW was having problems with blowing rear drives. I have always been of the opinion that yes, shaft drive is much cleaner and much less maintenance intensive than a chain. However, the chain is an easy fix (normally) when you are in the middle of nowhere and your final drive fails; shaft/rear drive not so much. Spare chain is cheap insurance. I suppose you could carry and spare shaft/rear drive but would be pretty expensive. We all pays our money and ride our choices. I like riding a bike that's different and speaks to me (Italian is such a sexy language, LOL). Yes, my wife is Italian too! As the saying goes: DUCATI, there is no substitute!
Thanks for that I was thinking RT as I rode one and loved it but bought the multi which is amazing to ride and the adaptive cruise is awesome awesome awesome…but it’s in shop. Broke down 5000 kms. Never 40 years riding have I been stranded. Yamaha and BMW prior.
Awesome review, thank you!
Thanks a lot and I'm glad you found it fine.
I had a 2019 Ducati 1260S and now I have a 2021 BMW R1250GSA. No comparison the BMW is much better bike for my intended use. So much more enjoyable to ride 500-700 mile day. I know that my Duc was older but I have no regrets! Oh and if you really want AMAZING Sound???? Buy an Aprilia RSV4 or Tuono! Ive owned both and NOTHING compares!!! I do enjoy that the BMW is very quiet when riding back road.
Thanks for sharing! Also, it's interesting that you mentioned Aprilia motorcycles. They are quite rare in here.
Your explanation of HP and torque and how it feels is very accurate and just what I felt after trying a 2023 V4 Rally vs my own older GS. Most of the time we are not racing...then the higher torque of the GS is way more useful. I didnt manage to ride the V4 in a city in 4th gear at all. it felt like the Ducati loosed breath. With a GS you can ride a city almost everywhere in 4th....and still have quick access to lots power when needed...without shifting gear. The Ducati was in every other aspect a great bike, but I stick with the GS because of just this. When you then also add the great handling of the GS and driveshaft vs oiling and maintaining a chain, fuel economy and the comfort....there should not be any doubt. Im an older rider, a younger may go for the horsepower numbers and looks and maybe the sound... 🙂 KTM? NOT
V4S 125nm vs GS 140nm it's not so big difference...ktm 1290 got the same 140nm as GS
BMW for me for all the reasons you mentioned plus I love the GPS integration and position. I use it all the time on my "adventures". In mixed riding I get 46 US miles/gallon.
reading comments like these makes me realize I ride my gs too fast 😂 I get 38mpg mixed and 40 ish on the freeway
@@frankfeng6199 oh I understand. It's amazing how fast you can go through rear tires too.
Thanks for sharing that info - good points and a pretty decent fuel consumption result too! Good job!
This efficiency is really good almost like some 150cc bike
Very good, detailed review. Subscribed.
Thanks and I'm glad that you liked it. Cheers!
Both are perfect bikes. It all comes down to personal choice. I'll take the Ducati any time of the day. Riding with jeans, you will feel the heat in the summer riding in the city. For me it was never a big deal with proper riding pants. The v4 has two radiators in the front vs one on the older V2s and it should defletd hot air away from your legs. I have yet to test drive one and see how it compares to mine.
A very analytical vid and I see your point. I am 59 and test rode both the GS and Multi V4 before making my purchase. I bought the Multi V4 because I wanted a bike that was comfortable, well equipped, that could tour, but was also engaging on a local ride and boy that V4 is engaging! Yes the GS has the torque and economy but the Multi V4 has the engagement and exclusivity.
Thank you for sharing. It's an interesting insight into the purchasing process, so thanks for putting some additional light on it. I see where you're coming from with the V4 and right, there can be that performance that's out of GS's range. I'd appreciate this myself and while all that monster torque of a GS is really nice and useful, when it comes to really pushing the engine, it simply lacks the horsepower in the higher end. Cheers!
Great rewiew 👍👀 thank you 👍
Thanks and I'm glad that you enjoyed. All the best!
Great video, and I do love my R1250GSA for all the reasons you mentioned. If you want to ride another bike that offers similar handling and nimbleness, a surprising choice is actually the Kawasaki Versys 650LT. It’s an amazing offering that, in my opinion, steals a lot of its ergos from the BMW RT. That combined with its light weight and tall compliant suspension makes for a crazy-good riding experience.
Interesting is what you mentioned about the Kawasaki Versys. Although a much smaller motorcycle, it's still not easy to build one that feels light and is nimble. I wonder whether it wouldn't be matched more closely with BMW F850GS.
@Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE
I reckon the new triumph 1200 would be a beautiful mix of the v4s and GS1250 (fingers crossed)
I wonder about that but likely it may some good features of one and another. Triumph really has a chance to nail it here.
Im an owner of a 750 gs and I LOVE IT, bmw has always been my dream bikes. i plan on switching to the 1250 GS/GSA i recently started looking at the V4s and it has cool things like the radars, with the blind spot light and the adaptive cruise control and the app conection to show the map on scree. BUT! i think the 1250 gs/gsa still being the king there. I still hope BMW can adapt some of these feautres in the future. :D great video! im still going for the bmw < 3 cheers!
I'm glad that you like the video and I think that BMW will be incorporating those features pretty quickly. We may see it hopefully soon when the new big GS is released. It's going to be hot news for sure, so let's stay tuned. All the best!
Great comparison, I will share your vid link from Facebook!
Thanks, I'm glad you like the video, and thanks a lot for sharing! I hope it's as helpful as possible.
Thanks for the video, it is great, I love your comments and the way you expose them.
Difficult topic, difficult choice, as long as both bikes -and some others too- are really awesome. The competence is tough, very tough. KTM is worth trying, but consider also the poor service that you get from the brand once you have bought the bike, at least in Spain -I had three, and this topic was a nightmare-
Consider also other options, not so powerful but also very good bikes, like the Honda Africa Twin ATAS 1100. Maybe not so explosive, but frankly comfortable and performant for the use that 90% rider are going to give to big trail bikes.
Regarding the GS, the only thing that pulls me back from buying it is the tele lever front suspension system, sorry, but can't cope with it.
Thanks again for your review, V-Told, keep on posting, please...
Thank you for providing your point of view and I'm glad that you like the video! Good point about KTM as I've experienced myself that the brand has some issues with its importers/dealers/whoever they have who is selling and servicing their bikes. Totally not up to the standard of other manufacturers. It's interesting what you mentioned about the Honda Africa Twin. I'm quite interested now and will likely give it a try next year if there's a chance to get my hands and butt on it. All the best to you!
great review, thanks.
You're welcome!
An amazing review. Thanks for that. As for the bikes, the drive shaft vs radars IS a major consideration, in my opinion. Having worry-free drive is great. But I can't dismiss the importance of blind corner spotting for a bike. Safety > Maintenance surely? I think it is a more possible scenario for BMW to add blind spot radar, than Ducati switching to a drive shaft. If GS gets that, in my mind, will be VERY tough to beat.
Thanks for the comment, Yiannos! I'm glad that you like the review. I agree with you that is should be a much easier for BMW to get the rear radar than to develop a drive shaft for Ducati. What's interesting is that Triumph showed us their new Tiger 1200 with a drive shaft and with a rear radar, so they've combined the two features. It seems to be more expensive than the GS, which is a bit surprising, but it will be interesting to find out what it's like. Cheers!
My BMW shaft drive self destructed in Morocco 2 weeks after a BMW service. BMW Morocco could not fix it so I had to freight the bike to Spain for repair. I've never had a shaft drive since then.
If basic chain maintenance is too messy or too much effort, perhaps motorcycling is not for you.
@@richardtarr9767 I've had chain bikes for a long time, and its universally known that they are a bit more demanding on maintenance than shaft. Not a dealbreaker, but a nice-to-have. If your bike broke, and you can't accept the fact that ALL machines may break, then maybe motorcycling or using machines in general is not for YOU.
@@YiannosG You missed my point and of course I accept that machines break and so I mitigate the risk by getting mechanicals as simple and foolproof as possible.
After 57 years of biking, there's nothing I've encountered that's made me feel that it's not for me.
Are you from Greece? If so, whereabouts?
@@richardtarr9767 Well. To say that biking is not for one because they prefer shaft over chain was a bit heavy handed, don't you think? I am from Greece, indeed. From Thessaloniki
Great review as ever 👏🏻 I have a 18 plate Ducati Multi 1260s and a 18 plate KTM 1290 SAs which I have done 44k miles on. I love her but she is not well 🤧 so I have ordered a BMW 1250 GS TE Rallye which I hopefully get this week… 🙏🏼 I’m going to miss the 1290’s engine I know this but the front end handling of the GS is Voodoo!!! It’s sooooo good!!! Anyway thanks again for the videos and keep it up 👍🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks! What's up with your KTM? I hope you'll be happy with the new GS!
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi, my KTM has started with electronic suspension issues 🤦♂️ she has been fantastic for 44k miles so I’m not complaining at all she has done me proud.
Very excited for the GS we hired 2 in Spain 🇪🇸 last year for a week 👌🏻
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi pal, the GS is incredible… I got last Monday and did 450 miles in 2 days so I could get her first service on Friday… 🤭 which meant full power 🤭✊🏻 totally in love already 👍🏻 hope you are well. 👍🏻
My choice of features: Definitely drive shaft over dead angle !
You're really good at comparing bikes. When the 1300GS comes out next year, please compare it to the new Tiger 1200s. Other channels will start off comparing the 1300GS to the outgoing 1250GS, but a much more interesting comparison will be with it's current rivals, not it's previous generation. I've got your channel "belled" for new video alerts so I'll be looking forward to that. Thanks.
Thanks for your feedback, Craig. When the new GS will come, I also think that it will be crucial to put it against other new options on the market. Differences comparing to the current model may be sneaked through at the same time. All the best and thanks for the hint. Cheers!
Great content
Thanks!
The GS is the best selling bike for a reason as most riders eventually come to realise it has all the ingredients to make the perfect do it all recipe. A Ducati for me is a beautiful Italian sports bike in the shape of a Panigale. So my garage only needs a GS and a Panigale to make my biking life perfectly complete : )
Nicely summarized I think - really well! :)
I'm 61 and have had 4 bikes over 40 years. At the end of the day I got the 1250 GSA. There is a reason this is the bike all other manufurers compete with. I was concerned with the range of the multi. Would have liked the radar but can live without it. I want to ride from Arizona to Alaska, I can see doing it on the BMW but not the multi. For raw power, I have a vrod with a racing motor that is 100% raw and visceral, but I appreciate the refined nature of the GSA.
KTM MIGHT give that nimble GS slow-speed handling feel now, as the new fuel tanks are low-mounted. Multi is thirsty, reportedly gets 30-35 MPG vs about 35-45 MPG for both the GS and the KTM 1290 motors. I'd like to see the KTM Super Adventure S against the Multi as the sporty side of two-up touring is my preference. I haven't seen any of several video commentators--Bike World--etc, say they would take the Ducati over the KTM. Mostly pro-KTM. The KTM seemed as sporty in feel to the Ducati, while providing some GS competency as tourer.
Very interesting points about the KTM. Made me wonder even more. Also, a new Triumph Explorer 1200 is coming, so the competition will get tougher one again here.
I took both for extensive tests rides and bought the BMW. I just bonded with it better. The way it delivers power, the handling and balance, low center-of-gravity, comfort, wind protection, the lighter control feel, it just added up to the better experience for me. I've only put 500 k m on it so far but I absolutely love it. I bought the trophy edition which comes with the sports suspension that is the same as on the GSA so you get an extra 20 MM travel. And the shaft drive pays dividends every minute you ride the bike versus the radar cruise control that you're only going to use a fraction of the time. Also the lack of dive in the front and allows for much better and more confident trail braking into turns.
I personally fully agree with your perspective.
I hit a deer at 45 mph on my GSA 1250 and the bikes brakes worked great along with the steering damper as did not dump the bike on the road. I give the 1250 10 stars for saving my ass.
Sorry to hear about the situation and great job by you by saving yourself and also by the bike by helping you do that. It sounds like a good score for the bike.
20:50 First of all, congratulations for the clear and complete presentation. Finally someone who doesn't speak like a madman and way too fast for non-native English speaking people. That said, you make a point about chain drive versus shaft drive. It may be that initially the Cardan drive offers an advantage in terms of maintenance and costs. However, 2 things: 1) if a Cardan drive gives problems - (which occurs relatively often after 80,000 km) then it is really your turn in terms of costs and misery. 2) I often like to change the transmission ratio by mounting another front sprocket, which is an impossibility with a Cardan drive.
Thanks! And yes, in older bikes with higher mileage, any sort of malfunction due to wear will be more likely and it's more risky buying/keeping such a machine. So I'd say it depends what one is buying and so how risky that is. Ducati isn't known for their reliability and I can confirm the doubts about this topic as I've seen a few dealers' demo bikes with issues while no other manufacturer except from KTM would have demo bikes with any sort of clear issues. I prefer the shaft but could live with a chain and automatic lubrication. Thanks a lot for the input!
I own both bikes. I have a Multistrada V4 in the UK, but spend several months a year in New Zealand where I have a GS.
I chose the BMW in NZ because the Ducati dealerships are thin on the ground, the BM survives being dropped on gravel roads better and a shaft is low maintenance.
I will keep this short.
Both bikes are equally as comfortable. Both bikes make excellent tourers. However, they are very different.
The BM is very easy to ride, almost like a scooter.. I can see why so many people love them. But for me it lacks excitement. It can be ridden fast on mountain roads, but that is not what it does best.
The Multistrada is definitely more motorcycle than scooter and loves mountain roads.
Although expensive, I have the full race Akropovic exhaust on the Multistrada which sounds wonderful. I would pay the same for a system on the BM if it made it quieter. The exhaust note is so bad.
For me, the BMW does a job and does it well in a workman like fashion with no fuss.
The Multistrada goes about things with a little more fuss, but with massive attitude. it is without doubt the fun bike.
If I was setting off around the world, I would choose the BMW. For a tour round Europe or a fun blast...the Multistrada every time.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with both bikes. I think I see the point and until BMW improves that clunky boxer that works super hard to dynamically propel the bike, the GS won't be giving as much excitement and a sporty feel as it might deserve thanks to its handling. All the best with both bikes!
I really love your bike information
Thanks, I'm glad that you like it. I hope it's as useful as possible.
@@VToldsMotoShow dear what's your good name
@@VToldsMotoShow your paraphrase is well and very experienced
I’ve been eyeing the GS! This is very informative. Now tell me how to get the money for the bike without giving up my 14r! 😆
I could have got one on a PCP but things seem to be getting tight with the cost of everything going up. Dreading filing up my mondeo with a full tank of v-power the next time.
I'm glad you liked the review! Well, you're not alone wondering how get to that point ;)
I guess Bmw is always the safest choiche for so many reasons. Though i just bought the V4S because it's so much fun even in difficult road conditions. Moreovere there are too many gs around so it's nice to see something red on the street :)
I totally get the popularity point and I'm convinced that a V4S - especially being a totally new bike - will be more exclusive and sort of exotic. I do like that too actually! All the best with your red beast out there! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow thank you for your video. So much appreciated
@@VToldsMotoShow I have a '18 1200 enduro and even among seasoned motorcyclists, they seem lost on the "enduro" part (no off road history there!). I love it for its engine, sound and profile and is perfect for the crappy roads in commiefornia which will pummel you on a sport bike. For me, fits me like a glove! I'm 6-6 and not a fatty. Even my bother likes it, even though he is perched on a KTM 1190.
I'm 35 and I rode my friend's 1250gs through central europe intensively for a week and I fell in love ♥️. Try it before you say it's for old men. I'm getting one!
I tried it... It's for old men! And women...
fun review! i ride a 2020 multi enduro. love the highway, hate the city. every time i think about switching to a smaller bike, i twist the throttle and the acceleration jolt says....forgit bout it.
I'm glad you like the video and it's great with motorcycles when they are able to give us something that excites us. Very much appreciated. I also get enjoy the performance side a lot.
Thanks to help me easier making decision. Right now, my choice is 2023 R1250gsa. Even I am just 5'9. Actually, in june promotion, here in Thailand V4S is 25% discount with free 1st class insurance.
Fuel consumption
V4s 14 KM/L
1250GSA 20 KM/L
I have a GS Adventure 2021 40 Anniversary Edition. And it is the best bike I ever rode... period. Traveling easily 600km to 800km a day and arriving still able to go to dinner and even party a little. Bigger fuel tank is a real blessing and just the overall comfort and safety are amazing. Definitely a keeper.
Sounds like a good recommendation. Thanks for sharing!
Have been riding BMW's shaft bikes since 1995. 500,000 Kilometres later, my impression is: it's never about the absolute performance, except when doing track days, even then BMW's handling and braking make stability dominate alongside others, ease of riding really matters. Cost of ownership is relatively low, as the BMW's have only minor servicing costs, and each of my BMW's have lasted very close to 300K, few Japanese and English will have any hope of seeing this. I only traded up (gave away old) when reliability was starting to be compromised. Australia is too big to get stuck in! Think 300km between fuel stations, you might start to understand. Parts used on K1100 was one clutch, cam chain/guides, rear wheel bearing in 290,000km. Let's see others doing this. Currently R1200 RT, has 35,000km on it. Would be 75,000 except for Covid19 stoppages. For me shafts are for real distance travelling. Also rode GSX-R 1000 for a second bike for 2 years, fast, uncomfortable but license loser! Fuel efficiency, R1200, 640 km on a full 98 tank at 95km/hr. At 115 km/hr, range is 450 km.
Jak zawsze super się ogląda👌 ale nie odpuszczę ci KTMa 😁 czekam z niecierpliwością.
Dzięki i cieszę się, że się podoba ;). Rzeczywiście teraz pomału staję się zdeterminowany, aby zapoznać się bliżej z KTM, choćby w jakimś innym miejscu. Najlepszego!
KTM unreliable! Horrible costumer service. No extended warranty in the UK and a KILLER depreciation! No thank you. Unless it’s a 690.
@@VToldsMotoShow nobody is testing KTM 1290 SAS vs Ducati Multistrada V4S. Both ar e tested against BMW. But the BMW seems will change to R1300GS next year.
Having owned Italian cars and Italian bikes, everything from Ferrari, Fiat and Lancia, and Aprilias, I’d never ever buy another Italian bike. Secondly, a chain is far more mechanically efficient, but is a total pain in the arse. If you ever go to change your chain cogs yourself, you’ll see what shit gets trapped in the gear housing. Shaft drive may be less efficient, but it saves so many headaches, and you won’t end up wrapped around a tree because you didn’t tension your chain. The telelever again is a massive plus, separating steering, braking and suspension forces is common sense if you’ve ever ridden a K (duolever) or R (telelever) they knock USD forks to the dark ages. Lastly, BMW, in Europe at least have pretty good dealers who (mostly) look after you well. I went into a Ducati dealer once and they wanted a £500 deposit to test ride a bike. That was the same day I put £1k deposit on my first BMW bike. Ducatis look gorgeous, but I’d rather have a reliable, sensible Fraulein, than a fiery, temperamental signorina.
Thank you for showing your point of view and I get it. I also believe that the front suspension of some BMW bikes is superior to the rest, hence giving a lot control and fun even when braking. Same with the shaft drive - it's simply a more advanced solution. They're not lazy designing their bikes. Now... about that Ferrari... of course it caught my attention immediately. Lucky you!
@@VToldsMotoShow Ferrari was almost a different lifetime for me!it was a long time ago, 30+ years. If I’d kept it, it’d have been worth money now, unlike my Aprilia RST1000 Futura…..now that looked like a stealth fighter, but was as reliable as an EU leader! I’ve bought myself a ‘21 plate RT with everything on it, except it has the little top box, not the normal one. It looks like a bloody barbecue on the back! The guy that had the bike put every 719 item on it, ACC, Akrapovic, ram phone mount, crash bars (the rear ones are crap) but didn’t put a proper top box on! What idiot does that? Apparently, he owned a couple of new Porsches, but it seems was too tight to make sure i dont have to pay for one! The dealer has sorted me out, so i’m just waiting for my pension to pay out. The CFO (wife) said i had to wait, no loans, no big deposits, just wait. So 5th November is when i pick it up. You did a great report on the RT which was instrumental in me choosing one.
I chose the Ducati V4S. It offers so much more tech which makes for a safer and more relaxed ride. Like most people that own either the Ducati or the GS, mine won’t go off-road very often if ever. I have a KTM 690 enduro which handles that task well. Either the Ducati or the GS handle like pigs when the going gets tough. Im just offering an opinion and I’m sure there are many other opinions just as valid. Thank you for the great video.
Other than adaptive cruise and blindspot monitoring what would you consider so much more tech?
Thanks for sharing. If you're coming off of a KTM 690 Enduro then yes, definitely the two big ones wouldn't feel nice for you off the road in comparison. Totally understandable.
@@matthewhaworth5935, fair question. So I’m painting with a broad brush. The multistrada is a pretty complete “package” in my opinion. Besides for the two very big tech items you mentioned which are seriously nice to have I’ll metntion some others. There’s the large digital display which can configure the information in lots of different formats. So I can customize the view the way I like it along with onscreen gps, phone,messages and music. Further, it’s possible to customize the parameters in each of the performance modes. Parameters can also be changed while in motion or turned off completely which is rare. I’ve not encountered this level of customization on any other motorcycles and very few cars. The new valve train allows for very extended service intervals which is in of itself mechanical tech. Further the engine itself producing more horsepower (170) than any other adventure bike could also be considered tech. Semi active suspension also falls into the tech arena. Heated bars, rider seat and passenger seat is also tech. I’m not at all saying that some of these things aren’t available on other brands but to find them all in one place made my decision easy. Lots of folks might say it’s not needed or it’s just more stuff to break. It works for me and so far I’m loving my purchase. Thanks for your question.
P.S. I forgot the 6 axis stability control and the quick shift for upshift and downshifts. .
Just bought a BMW R1250 GSA 2022 Triple Black. It is sitting off the cost in a shipping container. So it maybe a while before I get to ride it. I have test ridden the demo bike on a bike day and can say it was better than the reviews. I traded my Ducati for it. FYI - the Ducati is easily found but the GSA is rare.
Congrats on the GSA! Hopefully it gets to you soon. Here in Southern California I see GSA's everywhere, it's like everyone and their mom has one 😂
Hopefully it will come soon. Depending on where you live too as in central Europe for example - which is where I am now - it's becoming cold now and soon there will be the end of riding for all of us here. So there wouldn't be much use for a new bike now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're in some place where you can ride all year round and get your GS as soon as possible.
Yes, I agree cold winter riding is not as fun, but I live in the south east of USA. So I should be good. 🤗
A GSA is rare?
@@johnshelby7973 Most things are hard to get now days with the supply issues.
Wanted to get away from my GSA; rode the other two extensiveLY but kept the GSA. I have other Ducati & ktm in my garage so I’m no ‘brand man’. The gs composure, torque and presence wins for me.
Thanks for sharing and damn, having the 3 of those could be a real dream come true!
Once you go drive shaft, there's no turning back. It's just another level.
I love my ducati scrambler desert, and i think over to buy also the multistrada. There are so many BMW
Haven’t been on a multi,but my gsa 20 is the best bike i ever had! It fits like a glöööve!
I would be interested in hearing your comparison of the r1250gs Vs the new tiger 1200gt pro. I have tested them both in the last few weeks and was disappointed with the torque of the tiger below 5000rpm
Agreed the new tiger just doesn’t have the kick of the GS.. other than that it was a great bike. Not fer me tho.
That's a very interesting topic. The new Tiger is on my list as it looks like a potentially strong contender. Your feedback on it made me even more curious. Thanks for the hint and yes, it's a plan to check it deeply soon.
I just bought the 1250 GS Adventure instead of Multistrada. I love my Panigale but heat and reliabilty are an issue…so it stays on the track…i need comfort/quality for everything else
Interesting feedback - thanks for sharing. I wonder how those V4-based models will stand in terms of reliability nowadays.
@@VToldsMotoShow I feel the reliabilty criticism, whether deserved or not, requires Ducati to take an aggressive countermeasure….longer warranties, for ex. No one is incentivized to risk reliability far from home, so that just kills Ducati on a touring bike.
I have the V4 engine and the shaft drive in the lakes of a Honda VF our 1200 x cross tour along with incredible reliability very stable fast enjoyable bike cheers everybody oh yeah by the way I’ve had sevenGS is I love them all……
Don't those drive shafts corode heavily with a potential or snapping in half?
2020 gs1250 with rally version. Best bike ever. Exhaust sounds just fine. Not a good reason not to buy a bike. Heat coming off a V4-very good reason not to buy. Over all the gs is awesome. You would never regret it.
I guess that's why so many actually choose them and stay with for years just replacing with a newer model with time. Thanks for sharing!
Ninja 1000sx owner here, wanted the GS but I’m in my 32 and didn’t have the money for it. I still consider it my ultimate bike though
1000SX can be a cool bike!
At my age (58) I don't need a super fast bike but a reliable, comfortable and strong bike. I also hate to drive from petrol station to petrol station and I'm very bad in maintaining a chain.
So ... taking all that in account the logical decision is the BMW R1250GSA. Although I start doubting if I should not have waited for the BMW R1300GSA?
At the moment no one knows when the new big GS will be presented. There are likely some units being tested but how much more time before the launch - hard to tell. Knowing that in many markets GS motorcycles hold their value pretty well, even if you decide to swap it for an upcoming one, it shouldn't be a huge loss anyway.
Either GS or XR. The Multistrada is obviously excellent but finding a dealership/ service isnt stellar. The XR does road touring. The GS does adventure touring. If the Ducati did a better mix of both it would be tempting. GS shaft drive is just infinitely better. GS all day
Interesting as I heard that about Ducati dealers network before too. I wonder why it's that exactly (can be multiple reasons like dealers margin on a single sale or just not enough customers for example) and also how it compares to KTM's.
Have owned a MS. Would likely pick the GS. I actually own the BMW XR, I don't go off road and I love it!
Thanks for sharing. On might say that you've tried the top of the top in the category so far - nice!
If I could disregard the sound and feeling of a boxer engine then I would choose GS over every bike. Unfortunately, I can’t get used to it so I think about Honda ATAS or the new Tiger 1200.
@oldmanwitherspoon I could probably live with vibrations but the sound and lack of excitement while opening the throttle push me away from GS.
Wow, the part about the GS is pretty much exactly the same as what I'm thinking. Honda perhaps wouldn't be able to provide much excitement - judging only by the data, much less than a GS. Triumph could be interesting indeed, especially that the previous one was a decent alternative already.
It looks like you were closing the throttle between gear changes on the multi.
They both have quick shifters, but the Ducati’s system is superior. If you have the opportunity, take the multi out for a ride again, but this time keep the throttle pinned open and rapidly move up through the gearbox. 😀👍👍 it’s addictive!
I generally do it on every bike if I'm not using a quickshifter but here in some instances the bike would cut the power on it's own as I'd try to change a gear too late. I do confirm that judging by most riders' experiences, Ducati's quickshifter is mentioned as better more often.
Amazing review , I am confused between 850gsa n 1250 gsa lol 😂
Thanks, check out the perspective on an 850 and 1250 GS - maybe it'll turn out to be helpful: th-cam.com/video/h_XNzgs0Pnk/w-d-xo.html
Would love for you to compare the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT - seems like it would win.
I am very curious about it too. Add a KTM to that and it would be real battle of titans. I intend to make that happen this year once it becomes warm enough to ride where I live. Cheers!
I have a GS 1250r 2022 I road both the bike for me GS because of its smooth power delivery without any vibrations even over 150 kmph
Smooth power delivery - likely yeah but vibration? I’d rather position it on the more “vibey” side myself. That would be one of the things that I’m not the biggest fan of.
@@VToldsMotoShow try without riding gloves.
BM When you are 50 miles west of Upper Cumbucter and you do a chain. Well, did you carry a spare chain? Regardless which bike you choose, after riding 1000 km both feel like you are sitting along a paling fence. You will always get better ride with spoke wheels because the spokes flex. I have ridden BMs for over 60 years. Have had Zundapps, Yamaha YDS 3. Kawasaki H1. Have always gone back to BMs. Even though they are grossly over priced.
Thanks for the feedback. I tend to agree on the 1000 km journey's effects on one's bum. Also, I'm happy to hear that you seem to enjoy BMs. Cheers!
I haven't ridden either bike but where would you rank the new triumph tiger 1200?
Once I ride it, I'll be able to tell and I plan on doing that once the first units are available at the dealerships this year (2022). What I like about it is that it looks interesting, not ugly and that it's got a drive shaft! This already shows that there is a lot of potential. I'm somewhat surprised however that Triumph hasn't pushed it further to get closer in terms of performance figures to Ducati Multistrada. Somehow they are satisfied just be beating the GS in this field. Should they enter the Multistrada territory, I'd personally be super interested. Now I'm "just interested". But it's definitely going to be a worthy option - just like its first generation was for years.
You should add cost of ownership. Ducati has much wider major service intervals. Valve clearance checks are 37,000 miles vs the GS’s 12,000 miles.
That could be helpful yet would still differ country by country, region by region and dealer by dealer as prices are simply not matched and in the end of the day I believe that one simply needs to check what it would be like in their specific location.
Bro i have questions
1. Which is more powerful?
2.which is more features?
Multistrada V4 S is more powerful, BMW will likely provide more features without additional charges and then when adding options, it's hard to say which one can have more additional features and what their "weight" would be I think.
Hello, do you think a 198cm guy as me will seat confortable in the V4? The previous models of 1200 multis felt a lite bit too narrow to the handlebar and kneebend.
I've never been 198 cm tall, so I guess only a real life test of yours can answer that. But I feel that if you're going to feel fine somewhere, it's likely Multistrada V4, R1250GS, Africa Twin or a Tiger 1200.
@@VToldsMotoShow too late answer, I already bought one 😅 its super confortable for me.
Why didn't you use the quick shifter on the GS?
I did, just not at all times. I always feel that I'm hurting the bike by using it, so I do only when really willing to play with performance and get the most out of the bike.
No one ever mentions the gs single sided swing arm 😍
Shaft Drive vs Chain too.. The new Multistrada v4 Pikes Peak is also single side swing arm.
I'm an GS owner since 2008, I'm on my third GS. In 2023 i tried the Multi strada for the first time and i'm very sad to admit, i preferred it and ordered it. Sorry BMW, you've been kind to me but i just fall in Love with the Ducati.
GS1250 every time , drive shaft for sure. If i want a bike with super-bike acceleration ill buy a super-bike
I used both of them and i cocnluded for me it fits the V4S . I loved the engine , braking power and the suspensions . I didnt like at all the brakes in the GS. Too big for that little braking power. I believe when the bmw used brembo were better.
My '21 Rallye has brembos
Yup, as far as I'm concerned, the current GS uses Brembo brakes.
@@VToldsMotoShow th-cam.com/video/5WgugJQmRJA/w-d-xo.html . Also before i purchased the MTS a contacted the local dealer and asked him this. The answear is that BMW is currently no using brembo for GS
@@matthewhaworth5935 th-cam.com/video/5WgugJQmRJA/w-d-xo.html . Also before i purchased the MTS a contacted the local dealer and asked him this. The answear is that BMW is currently no using brembo for GS
You are such a GS fanboy, and I agree with you 😄
I simply appreciate things that have been done right :). Cheers!
How about maintenance wise/cost?
This depends highly on where you're located and what labor rates a specific dealer has.
In the end ... you will buy a R 1250 GS. But yeah ... test the others :) for a year ... maybe two. Drive the KTM, The Ducati ... The Honda ... whatever ... it is just a Jouney, ending on a R 1250 GS ^^
Hats off to both companies but I love the Ducati Multistrada V4S over the BMW, both are amazing motorcycles
Oh yes, I totally agree with you!
For me BMW
So the bestseller chosen once again - thanks for the vote!
For some reason a lot of heat comes off the right side of my 1250RS….go figure
Easy choice.If you're more into off roading,GS.If you want a fast sport bike in adventure clothes,MS.However,the GS has the benefit of shaft drive.
So we've got a drive shaft here as well - thanks!
V4S 17” in the front?
It's 120/70 19"
What about maintenance intervals, Ducati is better. I have owed both the GS and the Adventure great bikes but the BMW engineers engineerd the fun out of the bike.
Haha, nicely said. Which part do you mean?
Thanks simplified to the grass root level.
Driveshaft and handling, so GS for me.
Thanks for the vote!
If it is sound why not get some cardboard to slap on the spokes and a Coke bottle to improve the the echo.
Sir, you may be about to win a "comment of the week" award very soon. Nice one!
My preference is shaft drive rather than a radar system. 🙋🏻♂️
Yay, another vote for the drive shaft! Thanks for choosing!
An element where the reviews hardly talk about is the reliability. how often do you need to go for repair. nothing is more annoying and kills your joy of driving then the malfunctioning of your bike. I drove a Honda Pan for 10 years and it never went to the shop beside the regular maintenance. What is your experience with those bikes: the GS, the KTM, the multistrada, the V-strom, harley Panam ...
The trustworthy source of reliability is only the manufacturers' data and their services that collect that data. They're able to assess if certain malfunctions are caused by users or not as well - which users usually cannot judge themselves. This would be the only place that I'd look for. I know that for cars there are some reports published but I'm not sure I've ever seen any for motorcycles. That's actually an interesting case.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks for your reply ... much appreciated. However 50% of the reviews are based on pure facts but 50% is based on subjective interpretation. if someone loves or hate the looks or the sound of the motorcycle is subjective ... and I like those subjective elements. another example of subjectivity or based personal experiences is how smoothly the Quick shifter works ... some thinks it is briljant others think it is one of the minor points of ghe Gs. So I don't have problem with personal experience. Even more in case of malfunctions (and I'm not talking about malfunctions due to accidents) if it is the mistake of the drivers it says something about how "idiot-proof" a bycicle is. coming back on those accidents it would also be interesting to have some input in case of adventurebikes how easily they are damaged in case you fall during off road. I think you mentioned it in one of your reviews. I'm also not convinced that manufacturers would publish how many technical issues they needed to solve. Not really good publicity. Anyway I ordered a GSA 1250 that I will have end of April and I'm so looking forward to it. Your reviews and aldo the one from Matt adventure have convinced me. Continue you very good reviews and in the same style. I like them very much. BR Luc
The KTM GT model is not good for tall riders ... my dang knees don't fit into the tank cut-out! GS is perfectly balanced and fits a ton of folks.
Interesting. There was a similar issue with Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 where one's knees would come in contact with a front fairing and would innediately hurt because of that - they were too far back. I wonder what it's like in the KTM 1290 Super Duke GT and where's the point of this becoming an issue - how tall one would have to be to trigger the issue.
I preferred a drive shaft. 😁
Hi V Told!
I really like your work you are funny and you have a clear English!!!
I Had on August this year the GS 1250 while traveling Greece, had a great time but to be honest the GS 1250 was quite bouring!
My main problem with motorcycle is that I am quite short only 172 CM on the other hand your height is ideal and of course you are good looking not ugly like me ;-). Many bikes are to tall for me to enjoy riding on them on daily base. My opinion is: that it is a mistake of motorcycle companyies, beacuse, ok as a man I am a "dwarf" it is ok to laugh on me but there are many dwarf like me around the world and for a woman it is an average hight!!! no? Today I see quite a lot lovely ladies riding bikes, so somebody isn`t thinking about us :-(.
Anyhow continue your great work.
Your friend
Ami
H! Thanks for your feedback and kind words! It's nice to read. I wonder that in terms of height of the motorcycles, you may be interested in considering a lowered seat and also at the same time lowered suspension. BMW offers both and it may actually be a solution and could make you feel even more comfortable on a bike. What do you think? All the best! V-Told
@@VToldsMotoShow Thank you!!!
I love how people want to talk about "fuel economy" on bikes that cost over $40k after tax, tag, title, dealer fees, ect. If you can buy a $40k bike, than you shouldn't care about MPG.
Somehow I think the same and at least on a bike I'd like to not have to care that much. On the other hand, if some cars start consuming less than a motorcycle, it too makes me wonder what's up. But still, it's not always the point. To me joy and ease of riding matter.
@@VToldsMotoShow sure there are cars that get better fuel economy than my V4S, but no car that gets better fuel economy has better performance. Cars that can perform like the V4S get in the neighborhood of 8-12 mpg.
Why you didn't wheelie on gs ?
Two options: a) not enough power, b) very successful traction control in terms of taming the bike. I believe that the option b) is more reasonable as I've been riding previous GS bikes and pulling wheelies after switching the traction control off, while those were less powerful. In here, I simply did not attempt to switch it off. All in all, the traction control is so smooth on BMW bikes - unlike years ago - that it works seamlessly and there's no choking nor lifting of the front wheel. It really works very well.