COMEBACK! Honda Ridgeline Check Engine P0171
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2018
- Uh oh.
Next day after diagnosing the "VSA" light on this 2010 Honda Ridgeline, the owner called me to say that two MORE warning lights are on his dash...the "Check Engine" and "VTM-4"!
Let's take another look at this troublesome Honda and see if there is another issue with this car...I mean "truck" :)
Enjoy!
Ivan - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Ivan, Eric O always says the power of visual inspection.
Eric O is a very wise man!
He IS the Wizard who must be listened to...Mrs 'O' is the one who must be obeyed.....@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
The short fuel trim went from 20+ down to 10ish. The intake tube needs replacement and the vehicle needs the PCM reset. More driving will relearn it to do well again. I think you overanalyzed this one, but good job anyhow. I like your work and your personality. 10 and even in the teens is fine for short fuel trim especially when overcoming a gross vacum leak. Especially in short trim. You need to reset the PCM and then drive it a while. Its fixed. Good Job. You should charge for the diag and duct tape anyway. This was a valuable diagnosis. They can now get the part and easily replace it themselves or have you or someone else.
My 05 Acura did the same thing. Snorkel tore, fuel trims went nuts. I too had to reset the ECU in order for it to keep the light off, and relearn, after I replaced the intake rubber inlet air pipe. It just wouldn't learn by itself! Good vid!
As fast as Kieth? ?? Go easy Ivan....
Great fix as usual! !!!!
Way to Ivan. Another excellent video as always
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to show to diagnosis.
as a side note, I always check the motor/trans mounts when I find a torn air tubes. brake torquing, going from forward to reverse or rocking them back and forth on a flat surface, while in park/off.
I also find all sorts of bad suspension and drive-line issues by rocking.
that one was so dry rotted it would have torn with everything else good anyway.
Good one Ivan. We learn everyday.
good job as always Ivan !
Incredible Ivan fixes it again!!!
Great fix! Thank you Ivan! Danny is going to laugh a lot with this ending!
Wow, I recently just had those exact two codes in my 2010 Acura TL. I simply cleaned the MAF sensor and the car has been happy ever since.
Great work Ivan...thanx for the video
Drivability, fix completed clear codes re set kam road test verify repairs Old school stuff You and Eric O have some really useful insight Thanks
Great info Ivan. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Stu
No worries Ivan, you don't need a fancy sign off, you're cool enough without it! Thanks!
Wow, that hose was smoked! Used to see stuff like that all the time in Phoenix, where the heat just destroyed anything made of plastic or rubber. Sand also blasted the glass pretty bad, too, especially during monsoon season. Up here, the salt destroys the metal. Can't win for losing with automobiles!
Glad you showed this one - I've had this happen to me, and I was flipping out. Cleared the codes, and bam - fixed! WTH!! 😁
Cars survive forever only in California and Oregon...maybe Colorado too.
Yeah, there's alot of truth to that Ivan!
Car bodies love Phoenix, but upholstery, plastics, rubber, and batteries hate it. Lived there for 25 years and never had an under-hood battery survive three summers. The afternoon it was 122F I hit the starter and was rewarded with a "pop" and vapors from under the hood - the battery had exploded!
Ivan my MAF at idle is 3.8 g/s 3.5 2007 Honda Odyessey 70000 miles runs great. Just some info good video 👍
Wow. This is a neat video. That was an interesting diagnosis.
Short and sweet for once!
How about for a saying., Ivan all over it again, see ya's next time!! You got to get some kind of slug line. Its becomes your identifier.. Anyway good luck with that. Thanks for years of great content
Interesting. Lol. Nice work Motoyam
I thought you were kidding about the duck tape but see you were not lol. Great video Ivan
Aloha Dr Ivan from California👍
Ivan how about this one "Ivan, In It to win It"....or " Ivan, Icar, Itruck, I fix em all"...good video Ivan, IDK about duct tape though....it will fail after the owner forgets about it in a month or so and then...then...then "Ivan my car is still broken"....Hey BTW , you are getting faster and the confidence is strong, keep on truckin man!
On my Contour, same problem, but I ended up fabricating the intake tube out of aluminium. Hole was at the tube at the port where the idle air controller hose port was. Maf reading was 3.56 gm sec at idle. Should be 4 to 5 gm sec.
"See you guys next time, Bye Bye" You DO have it.
Bonus footage, The power of diagnostics....
Ivan, great video!!!! Ivan, did you notice if the the motor mounts were bad, causing the motor to move farther than it normally would, causing the induction boot to tear ?
That's hilarious comeback lol, with duck tape lol. Nice MacGyver fix lol!!! Now that brings me that question on the lean code. Interesting find. That's something I got to check on a Nissan truck. Lol
Yup just tape it up nice and tight...job done!
Had one of these come in with same codes. Had a tiny peice of a leaf INSIDE the maf blocking element
WOW- DUCT TAPE ACTUALLY USED FOR AN AIR DUCT!
its duck tape
HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP nope! Not duct tape!! That's Ivan's own brand, called PIGEON TAPE!! It's guaranteed for 30 days!!
Thank you for the video. So the VTM-4 light goes away after fixing the air leak on air filter?
I have a question. after a rear rotor replacement on a 2007 honda ridgeline the vtm 4 and check engine light came on. Is this a connected issue?
Nice job
I have seen several cases of unexplained high fuel trims on Honda J35's (around 10-15% on both ST and LT.) Each time I'd ruled out vacuum leaks and MAF. In my own limited experience, replacing the O2's has fixed it in every case. So, if the car is in the mid 100K mile range then it's time for new O2's, including the downstreams. Honda does use downstream O2's for fuel strategy.
I have a 2012 ridgeline and during cold weather the rpm tends to surge between 1100 to as low as 400 rpm and it will not give a code right away , if it gets worst the rpm will get faster surging then will trip the check enfine light along with vtm4 vsa mulfunctions then if its warm weather its fine .. but what i notice the FUEL TRIM in the dash board its high for me its ranging between 18 to almost 20 liters per 100 kmh... its just getting worst during cold season
Sorry forgot to mention i have 2012 touring ridgeline
had valve cover gaskets replaced, valve adjustments, transfer fluid replaced on one. routing maintenance. within 24 hours, check engine with message check emissions lights comes on. later vtm4 comes on. vtm4 goes off after restart. any ideas? dealer did the maintenance. trying to get an appointment. anything they touch doing those jobs can cause that?
Простенько но поучительно для тех кто не разбираеться👍👍👍
А вот трубу надо бы поменять😊
Я уж то было подумал ты ему EEPROM в Абс будешь перепаивать😂😂😂
Just to make Keith feel like he's always right, couldn't you take apart that air intake hose, see how it works, try making it better, and putting back in to see if that fixed? It could make great video!!
throw some duct tape on it and verify the repair just about choked on my toast lol good vid ivan
Checking calculated load at WOT / load is a good way to test MAF accuracy
Believe it or not, you can take a clean old t-shirt, a putty knife, and black rtv, remove the air tube, clean it with alcohol, apply a whole tube of rtv to the T-shirt, spread it even and thin, then wrap the tube. Wax paper or piece of cardboard HIGHLY recommend. It won't fly on a concourse car, but it's effective, and lasts. Oh, yea, and price....
How many times have I discovered that when repairing an old piece of equipment, there was a second problem hiding behind the first one.
I've had this same problem for a Chevy express with the 4.8. mass air flow was reading high at idle. Took me a minute to figure it out. Turned out the purge valve was stuck open and making both banks lean
Hey Ivan, how much usually is the diagnosis fee around your area?
Have ran into this one on more than a few Honda's and Acura's if you ever want to get a new one Dorman makes them for most of the ones that rip
sounded like it was still hissing away on the camera, even after you plugged the holes, but I know how they throw the sound off.
probably the pcv valve on that metal tube, they get blazing hot, I'd guess a leak at pcv valve boot or brake booster.
Hello i have a question?? You know the honda ridgeline has or use canbus ???? Yhank u
Do you have any tricks for accessing the cylinders in the back? They are so hard to reach/see.
Also, how are the cylinders numbered? I have a misfire in cylinder 2, but I can't confirm which cylinder that would be on my Honda Ridgeline 2009. Thank you for the video!
good video
I had the same problem with a99 accord v6,used silicon calk in the crack's ,one year later sill good .but truth is better to replace.
I really hope you changed the duct
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There you go buddy!😉
haha not nearly as cool as your slogan, Dan!
I have never heard of someone offering a months guarantee on a Duck tape repair! Classic!! 😂😂😂
Looks like Ivan ate the cost on this second visit.
I have a 2009 Honda ridgeline and the check engine light came on all of a sudden and it was a blinking green light on the drive and it says it’s the transmission for overdrive and it says it needs to be replaced where are you located I hope you’re close I’m in California San Francisco bay area I hope you’re not in East Coast
thank for video
The absolute throttle position at 14% looks a little high to me!!
I saw that, but car was happy so I let it go. Would be a great time to clean the throttle body when replacing the intake tube!
Hi Ivan I have a quick question what can be the cause if one bank is running rich please help 🙂 p0172 is a 06 Honda Ridgeline V6 3.5
Honda typically runs a heated crankcase vent and that is why that pipe gets so freaking hot.
Thank you for that info. What is the purpose of a heated crankase vent? Avoid clogging?
I never really thought about why honda and some fords heat the PCV and crankcase vent hoses but my guess would be this. The Crankcase vent and PCV get vapors from the top of the engine which include water vapor as the engine warms up. In cold weather the water vapor could condense and then freeze causing a restriction in the line. If the line gets plugged you could end up with leaking oil seals. Hope this helps.
@@sinegra30 to prevent freezing up in the winter.
+wysetech2000 oh I see, thank you!
+ThePracticalMechanic, I guess you're right, thank you!
I let the advertisements run so you get more money for your piggy bank. Keep the videos coming!!!
Even the 10-minute ads lol? I really do appreciate it Michael!
sometimes not lol
How dare you slash peoples throttle body tubes when you diagnose their steering! Great video. You may as well fill up their tires with some of EricO's bad air while you're at it. I was screaming clear the codes. I have found Honda's for some reason seem to take forever to relearn their fuel trims.
But you have a new business slogan!!
"I"ll just duct tape it up, and guarantee it for 30 more days!!"
yeah ivan put on your damn seatbelt
Rule of thump mass airflow g/s should be close to size of engine in liters at idle, a/c and other loads off, example 3.5 liter engine mass airflow around 3.5 g/s
Nice job, and a month for duct tape warrenty is great. Did you replace that hose with real Honda or go to rock auto ? Neat how clearing codes some how reset things to work again. Great Job. Verus rocks the Honda !
Thanks Lyle. Customer opted to put in his own air tube :)
So my 08 Acura (Honda) Runs very similar at times. At idle I can see my short terms going 8-15% and my longer term getting higher. However when I start to drive it even its out eventually. I think it is Honda's strategy, after I reset the data it goes back to normal for a bit. I'm assuming until all the tests have ran. I do have more factors in my car like a Short ram intake and maybe working cats. That's why I'm surprised to see a Honda with none of those factors.
Clean throttle body.
"If I can do it, you can do it - with duct tape".
It's only temporary unless it works @!!
I have a 2007 acura mdx v6 3.7 whit p0138 ho2s b1s2 low volt, we change already a ho2s and come back again, fuel trim looks ok, do you thing could be a catalytic converter on B1????
No...you need proper diagnosis before blaming the cat ;)
The cracks in the air intake hose introduce a lot of air flow not registered by the air flow meter, especially with throttle open. Duct tape won't seal it properly and the owner will have issues again.
That's when you go over the duct tape with some electrical tape.
You seal it with tape to be sure the problem is diagnosed correctly, and so that the vehicle can be driven until a replacement air intake hose can be obtained and installed.
Lol, always a critic, good job on diagnostic Ivan.
The permanent fix is some Harbor Freight epoxy!
@@frugalprepper LMFAO. that ought to drive em crazy!
Comeback clickbait! 😜 if only the service manager agreed it's not a comeback if it's a separate issue 👍 good visual Ivan
always clear codes and recheck basic 1o1
Why are you not looking at the O2 sensor data ?
They determine fuel mixture ratio during closed loop !
No need. Fuel trims tell the whole story :)
Didn't check for exhaust leaks at all? I've had that same P0171code, and an exhaust leak was the cause, a surprisingly small leak at that but before the rear O2 sensor.
Keep in mind both banks trims were the same. a leak on one bank would just affect that side :)
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics That's a fair point.
Every time I get a lean code on a Honda and a lot of other Imports always check that air intake hose first You'll Always Find a crack in one of the folds so the car will get more air than the mass air flow send cersei's so you will get a code for lean this works for American cars as well
"Ever since you"
Those flexible air intakes fail around 100 to 150k miles. I have had 2 Hondas that have had the same failure in the exact place this one broke.
JUNK! That's like Hyundai-Kia quality level right there haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics - well... junk may be a little harsh. I guess for all of the heating/cooling cycles and movement these things have to endure, and extra $60 bucks every 100k miles is not too bad. I have a weird clunking sound in the front end of my Kia Soul right now and it only has about 62k on the clock. Now that is junk. No Honda would be giving me suspension issues at 60k miles. ☺
Mine got a hole at around 170k, Honda OEM ones are like $25 on eBay. Takes 5 min to replace
I mean that one part is junk. Hondas overall are very solid vehicles :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics , indeed. I knew you weren't trashing my beloved brand. No respectable mechanic would diss on a Honda. 😀
I would install a new hose. That tape won't last forever. Too much flex in it.
In addition there is a reason it is tearing. It will tear more, and soon. Tell the customer it should be replaced.
@@flagmichael Looks like it had been manhandled by someone.
dorkman sells snorkels... ive seen that before with the trims, reset and they stay in range
Dorman snorkel probably wouldn't fit right, and then when you finally beat it into submission for an hour, it would only last 5 minutes in operation xD Duct tape is more reliable...it can last for weeks!
Спасибо.
What about "I like this!", with a thumbs up. 😁
How about Ivan Investigates as a cool send off quote?
I've had valve adjustment cause this on the 3.x L Honda engines
What do they say "neighbor from hell" this guy sounds like mechanic from hell. Let's see that's going to be separate fee/ charges.
Squirt bottle of water (or if you are brave brake clean) can be a great quick way of chasing intake leaks.
Usually brake clean has no issues on a hot engine. As long as your plug wires are good.
Visual inspections are first, always first, it's the sign of a proper mechanic.
Pull the hood first, look around, then plug in and see what's going on, if nothing was wrong visually.
I don't understand why you never look first.
Tube didn't look torn at all at first glance. I mean visual inspections without any sort of direction usually end up fruitless?
James Fenton is absolutely right. If the check engine light is on the right way it so take 10 min or more to look everything under the wood (because every proper mechanic knows that engine light on means the issue is surely under the hood ...) rather than take 1 min to read the code and have a direction to look closely. After checking under the hood, you read the code and swap the more probable part. It will not fix the problem so you swap another part. And so on. That's how works a proper mechanic. Ivan how dare you diagnose an issue ?
Lol, always a critic, good job on diagnostic Ivan. Issue was found, doesn't matter how you got to it-enough said.
@@didtoknan8128 lol
No, you are wrong. If there's a check in light, you scan first. Always.
That what i figured after i watch him do it in the bonus footage. The first couple times i seen it happen i thought he just gave it a little bit of throttle but in the bonus footave u see him give it a bit of throttle and its stays in cl then when he puts wot it goes to ol. Is this a honda stratagie or does all manufacturers do this. Ive never really noticed.
Hi Dylan, most cars go to Open Loop at WOT for more power delivery with a richer mixture.
end with 'duct tape is good enough'
Good Vdeo who's this Keith Guy (LOL) How do you like your New Job ???
New job is exciting! Last week I got to see first-hand how molten aluminum transforms into a brand new engine :)
Power of the duct tape ;D
"if a crazy ivan fixes it it's all god comrade" lol
i learn from you guys but i scream at the screen "reset the codes and get the fuel trims on a relearn schedule" or was you just testing us???? lol
For a tag line, you could play on pronunciation like "I Vin again" - I win again ; Ivan again... (slinking away...)
Hahaha that's pretty clever!!
It's always the simple stuff. Complimentary dealership inspection turns into driveability issues.
When you work on cars is it hard to work when customers are watching you and always around ?
At times yes.
Now, you can come up with your own brand of duct tape!!
You can call it pigeon tape! In keeping with naming you maintenance adhesive roll after water foul!! McGyver tape is already taken!
It amuses me people use the word 'footage' in relation to digital video. No feet of film was ever used to make it, so where does the additional 'footage' come from?
The same place dial-up modem connections get their dial.
That's why it's called duck tape!
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Pine Hollow
Patched the Auto!
Check for intake leak
Tried duct tape before on with a similar problem on another brand- complete waste of time-only answer was new tube , needs to be completely sealed that’s why they have hose clamps on ends
it should work well enough to see if there's anything else wrong :)
Your Buddy Eric O. has a Honda Ridgeline, correct? Could he email you some snapshots of a good example for comparison?
HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP he has a Tacoma now got rid of the ridgeline
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