Honda VSA light Diagnosis -Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2018
- The owner of this clean 2010 Honda Ridgeline tells me that the orange "VSA" light comes on intermittently while driving.
Well, let's hook up the scanner and see why this Honda is fussing. Along the way we learn quite a few things...that's the PHAD way!
Enjoy!
Ivan - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I am from HAITI and I checked your video and it’s working. Thank you.
Another fine study, Thanks Ivan.
I had a Jeep do this once. The steering wheel was off center about a quarter turn after installing a suspension lift kit. Wheel alignment and setting the toe fixed the problem.
Thank you Ivan. Good job. I appreciate your videos.
My guess is that the sensor is reading fine, but the steering isn't. But this is new to me lol. So good thing to learn this stuff!!!
I love a good mystery! Thanks Ivan!
SWEEET VID 🚹, ALWAYS GREAT STUFF FROM YOU 👍
To reset the VSA module turn the car upside down, shake three times on each axis, turn it back right side up, do doughnuts for ten seconds and slam on the brakes, all without turning on the ignition.
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I had this on a 08 gonna accord it was a abs sensor
Finally a solution to a problem that isn't a problem! (For Honda)
A real head scratcher. I've been reading the comments and they're some pretty good suggestions. I'll be back for part two. We have to know!
Please have a part 2 thats whats wrong with my 2011 Honda pilot vsa comes on over 30mph
Awesome video and patience 😊
What to do if you have ethos scanner. You just said that knowledge is power. We learned from each other. 1) go to antilock- abs/vsa replacement- make sure car is on flat level and steering straight- switch off ignition don’t touch the brakes pedal, now turn ignition switch on abs flashing and goes off press the vsa button on and off. The abs light will come on again près vsa button on and off the vsa light will flash and goes away .
Haha, no idea. However, I used to have a Honda so every time that damn beeper went off I looked over my shoulder for the seat belt! Waiting for part 2. Thanks Ivan!
@Baxrok2, I did the same thing!😂
Ahh. No viewing while driving...
Jeez PO Pete put on the damn seat belt. This one is interesting, part two bring it on.
I looked up VSA(vehicle stability assist) they say if a tire slips the vsa applies brake pressure to bring the slip back under control. Sometimes a low tire can set it off also. It may also be in learning mode for some reason another commenter mentioned. Bust out the Autel
Ivan i had this symptom on a couple on Iveco dailys. Could be the steering angle sensor is not reading zero when driving straight line. The abs system seeing all wheel sensors correct for straight line but steering is showing turning angle. Or you could have wrong size tyre on one side? Have you got a relearn option for the steering sensor.
Really like your videos. Was wondering what would you recommend for a inexpensive diagnostic tool like for instance a launch CR6011 creader and the like for those who can't spend ten grand one.
With the park/neutral data pin, and it changing on its own, that would be the range switch, but the code for the angle sensor might be needing adjustment/calibrated or replaced.
I was recently checking out flight recorders. I don't know their limits yet or if they'd even be helpful in a case like this. Is it SnapOn kicking you out or Honda, when attempting to test over 15mph? Either way... soooo looking forward to Part 2.
2013 Accord ABS/VSA - played swap-tronics with ABS unit but replacement unit had a slightly different harness connector due to obstructive rib/ridge inside connector only difference [ebay purchase] ) and so put back original. Light never came back on. Corrosion on pin wiped clean during plug/unplug procedures?
My Honda Pilot 2006 gave this prob but finally I did it with my scanner ethos edge pretty easy. The button work the switch is off when you push the vsa button it doesn’t click. Before I think to replace the switch but I realize if it works before that mean it’s working perfectly. The vsa light comes on after cleared the code or DTC
When diagnosing cars, check codes first. If it won't start, check for spark using a timing light. Check all plug wires to check for a bad cap and rotor and coil. Get a Actron CP9690 code tester for on the road tests. That code should give a memory code. If no codes, there may be a fuel problem or non-computer problem.
Aloha Dr Ivan from Cali🤙
Had the same problem with my 2006 Acura TSX, Tried to find the trouble with my Autel Ds808 but was a bit confusing, Tried my sons maxicheck scanner and went to vsc and it had a neutralize steering. Hit the button and cleared the light. Light went out and never came back on. From what I see on TH-cam that's a finicky code that can be set by just plugging a scanner in. I was just checking fuel trims the night before with the DS808 and never drove the car. the next morning that light came on when I just started the car without driving it. Don't know if this helps but drove me nuts for days.
When I first saw the VSA and that caution symbol I thought it was something Emission related because for some reason Toyota, Honda, and I think Subaru will turn those lights on and the problem will have nothing to do with those systems. It would be a Misfire,Evap, or O2/AFR issue. Then you did the scan none of that stuff showed. Then thought something with the ABS System speed sensor dropping out?
Ignore the wear your seat belt parrots. In real life the seatbelts will kill you 50% of the time and help you the other 50% I used to be a believer of the propaganda that seatbelts save lives..20 years of primary response EMS covering 50 miles of I-40 fixed that...
Love your channel and am learning a lot from you, SMA and ScannerDanner. Keep em coming. 👍💟
Yep. Pretty much any crash over 55mph and you’re seatbelt will cause your cerebellum to snap. Luckily it’s a quick death, flying out the windshield and bleeding out isn’t but you’re more likely to survive that. I wear them in towns and don’t on highways. Just my thoughts.
I would have thought the low pressure warning for the RR might be tied to the stability aspect of it (in software?)
I guess the VSA needs to monitor relative wheel rotation and does this by reading the pulses from the ABS sensors. It would be consistent for the vehicle to monitor steering position (SAS) to accommodate the discrepancy in ABS readings from the wheels when the car when cornering. My first instinct would be check the sensors for fraying wires, bad connections or corrosion jacking of the sensor mounts, perhaps rust or dirt on the reluctor rings. Basically the system is saying that the steering position sensor and the ABS readings do not add up and this compromises the function of stability control.
Dirt on sensor reluctor wheel
Definitely scan it with another scanner to see if it agrees with snap on. Does the VSA go active above a certain speed? Can alignment issues cause a fault? Other than that it comes down to signal integrity checks.
If the battery was replaced recently, perform the reset procedure that super Mario diagnostics mentions. Go into scs mode, then perform the relearn. Basically theres a sensor for the vsa that looses its "nuetral" position once the battery is replaced. Pretty sure that's your issue
I have the same issue with a 2006 Honda Pilot. The right front brake will lock up and the only way to release the pressure is to crack the bleeder valve open. I’ve replaced all brake pads, brake hoses, calipers, and recently the master cylinder. I tried bleeding the brake system but now I have no brakes at all. Any ideas.
The launch system resets VSA very simply as a special function. Worth a try before spending more time.
This usually applies to a code 84, but i always give this a shot when things seem a little weird. They're a reset procedure where you short pins 4 and 9 turn the ignition on, when the vsa light shuts off, push vsa button. when the light turns on again, press the button again. Then the same procedure again But with the brake pedal instead of the vsa button.
But something tells me yours may not be the case. All we can do is guess at this point. I'd whip out the scope! Looking forward to part 2.
That was going to be my comment. If the battery was replaced recently, I guarantee that's his problem.
Replacing the battery usually doesn't cause the learned data to be reset. Usually...
I wonder if the steering angle sensor was replaced and not initialized.
One Hunnit Tech you being a Honda man, I believe you. But there are a ton of cars that will reset that data if disconnected for a second. Ever see an rx8 do that? You get the death wobble 😲
@@EKHondaMotive most of the time on the hondas it doesnt. It wont reset learned values such as fuel trims, idle, etc, if you just swap the battery. BUT, at times, it WILL reset the learned steering angle sensor "nuetral" position. Sometimes there will be a code, and other times there won't. Performing the relearn corrects it though. I've done it on countless honda vehicles.
@William Tanner...I concur.
There's no rhyme nor reason but I think time elapsed between "battery out" & "battery in" could be a factor. Also, if the leads were touched together...
The biggest issue we have is the Verus can't communicate with the VSA to the depths we need now.
#teamautel!
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Honda's Meeting a few years ago ... "Let's call ABS, VSA to mess with Ivan".
I know when I've had steering angle issues before you have to recalibrate it, and go through a long silly routine of figure 8s in a big parking lot . But I deal with alot of semi trucks.
Ivan, I have a friend with a 2018 Mercedes GLC 300 4-matic. Do you know how to reset the Service Indicator? I understand the procedure changed since 2017. Thanks!
I'd agree with some of the other comments. Personally I'd check tyres, steering and suspension for wear and tear. Do a full wheel alignment check then recalibrate the steering angle sensor and lateral acceleration sensor.
It'll be interesting to see the outcome!
I've also seen various manufacturers cutting ABS data above a certain speed, very annoying but all in the name of safety!
Oh and VSA as far as I know is just Honda's name for ESP/ESC... it compares the steering input to the actual rate the car turns to make sure they agree.
Does it feel like the traction control is cutting in when the fault occurs?
This is happening because the car is in SAS learning mode ..that happens because the car sets the p300 code on purpose by 30 mph to test the VSA system ..I fixed a customers with the Autel scan tool ..use the versus to run the SAS learn function and also do the ABS hot function ..if you need any more advice message me
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No seatbelts for shame ivan great video can't wait for part 2
My guess is to test the wheel sensor.Check one side with a known good or just look for any differences.
Ivan! I have seen unwanted ESP/VSA activation like during 9.13-9.22 into the video. That fault was because of incorrectly matched tires with to much difference in wheel circumference. However, if it did actually activate, you should have felt some driver feedback from the system trying to correct the non-existing skid.
Check if the steering angle sensor reads 0 to 5 degrees with the steering wheel in the straight ahead position, if it doesn't then road wheel alignment could be out, if the wheel alignment is good, conduct a neutral position reset for the steering angle sensor. If neither of these solve the problem then steering angle sensor/wiring/module could be the cause
I was thinking to drive the vehicle in a straight line at a slow speed and see the steering angle (should be less than 5 degrees.) This way you're testing the front toe and thrust line and steering angle all at once.
Wife had a Mini that got a slightly off steering wheel from an alignment shop. Tracked straight, but wheel slightly crooked. She didn't want me to "waste time on it." Two euro garages later who slung some parts, I fixed the alignment and did a calibration of the steering angle sensor. Fixed right up.
Ahhh trusty Autel, I heard that! Yeah should’ve brought it would be interesting, or will be interesting to find out between that and the launch what is different!
The VSA turns on on my 2008 Honda Accord usually when I am making a right hand turn. I can feel a bit of a drag on the back wheels, especially when going up a hill with snow. ?????
Are the tires same size ? I dunno!
all tires the same size ? wheel bearing play ? something that would give the abs a false or out of wack input would be my guess,Thx for sharing !
I can't for the exciting ending! 😉
Wheelspeeds,Tire pressure?
DiagnoseDan the 08 accord I has was same thing it was drivers front abs wheel speed sensor and showed both warning lights
Hard to tell from the dash/windshield view but it appears in some of the driving sequences (Assuming your driving a straight line) there is quite a bit of steering wheel offset. Is it possible VSA "sees" steering wheel not centered at speed with no accompanying lateral acceleration = fault. Is the right rear tire pressure you mention early in the piece an issue? Front end true?
Steering wheel was dead center. I just drove around a sweeping curve :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thanx for the clarification.
This is something that I have been dealing with for months and it's frustrating because there is really no way to accurately diagnose this problem. The codes that you get when the VSA, check engine, triangle lights come on are not connected to the problem. You only get ghost indicators or codes. Misfires on cylinders when there is nothing wrong with any cylinders. All kinds of sensors. The problem seems to be electronic and most Honda dealers / mechanics don't want to spend the time to really find out what it causing it. Another problem is that it's intermittent. For weeks the car is driving fine. Then the check engine light comes on. Then a day later, the VSA / triangle light comes on, and the car won't run. Two days later the car drives fine.
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My 2006 does the same 🤷 did you ever figure it out ?
hi is the steering wheel straight when drive dead straight ahead if not reset the tracking.
I wonder if the steering angle sensor was replaced and not initialized.
What criteria is met "at speed"? Wheels are rolling. Centrifugal force. Vibration. WSS? ABS tone ring loose or cracked? TPMS on (a) front wheel dropping out? If you had a large enough hill, coast down in neutral- or would PRNDL indicator know better? You checked PRNDL when parked (was wonkey) but what about driving? Snap-On is so afraid a Tech might kill or get killed while testing. BTW "Testing while driving" is a no-no in NYS AFAIK.
make sure tire pressures are correct and tire sizes are equal and check the brake fluid level
My Honda is getting on my last nerve. I'm putting money into it everytime i turn around. It's fine for a while then something else comes up. I just got a new starter and here it is a couple days later the engine and vsa lights r on😡😡😡 I wanted my honda to last up to 250-300k miles like some other hondas do😕
Good video Ivan. It could be possible they had a alignment done and a calibration was not performed for the steering angle sensor so its not at zero going straight ahead though to be honest I cant remember if it has that on the scan tool or not to do a calibration on them. But will wait and see.
You shouldn't be here commenting, you should be home making videos again.... ☺
According to mitchell if the steering angle shows +/- 5% with steering wheel straight ahead (which your's appears to be) , clear codes and drive, if code returns replace VSA module, which is housed with the ABS module. All of this I'm sure you've read up on by this time... Would like to see more testing info provided by the mfg, seems like a leap of faith to just call the module.
replace car when faultcode appears....is this where they want us to go?
try the recal procedure I think there is one if that don't work use a tiny drill over the bulb in the cluster...the guy will never notice it
Иван, проверь abs sensors и давление в шинах. В начале видео была ошибка низкое давление в одном из колёс. VSC system читает показания abs sensors и датчика положения руля. При движении по прямой и достижении скорости 40 Miles VSC видит что одно из колёс вращается медленнее чем должно ( запущенное колесо), значит машина поворачивает, но руль согласно показаниям датчика руля стоит прямо. Система видит не совпадение параметров и выдает ошибку датчика руля. Это моя теория.
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I agree it could be something as simple as low tire pressure.
Tire pressure would not be the cause bro
Because of where you live, I'd guess road salt and circuit corrosion first then a bad sensor and then the computer control module.
Can bad rear shocks cause the VSA light to come on?
Usually comes from hitting a pothole and spinning a tire slightly while going through it
Surprised you didn't check the tire pressures per that code that was erased.
Also, do we know for sure the 30mph cut off is a feature and not a symptom?
If there is no codes for vsa problems then its probably some systems turning off vsa because it cannot operate vsa with the other systems with a issue.
Its most likely that bad tpms is what’s causing it.
My wife 06 ridgeline, you can’t turn the vsa off when there is a low tire pressure or a bad tpms. Idk if honda changed software so its opposite. Because i would think in order for vsa to operate correctly it would need tire pressures to be correct
knowlege is power, keep reading you will get it, i'm sure of that
Data above 30 MPH is classified and available only to the Japanese Department of Defense.
Seems like somebody like maybe a Russian software hacker could fix that.
like gps above 500mph or something
Lol killed it
x431
And the Red Chinese
What's the steering angle read when going straight down the road at 15mph? I see this a lot when the steering wheel is crooked due to the alignment being out of whack.
This one was dead nuts straight. Drove like on rails lol
do you access to a honda factory scanner that the dealers use?
i have seen that many time (on Chrysler tho!) cause by implausible data receive at the ABS module,the system just shut itself down, i have seen bad SAS, wheel alignement out of spec , stuff like this
the steering sensor,abs sensors and even the oil condition can set that light, it could also be a bad ground found on the frame near the front left bumper. the brake switch can also cause that light.
By bad ground, is that also to mean the ground may have gotten wet? Cause I went through a deep puddle at abt 35mph and now my VSA light is on.
@@Flash363 No it means there may be rust that is stopping a good connection, so you take off the connection and scuff the surface and the ground wire connection then reconnect it and replace the bolt. Rust can wreak havoc in car wires. and so can a weak partially worn wires where half of the wires in the connection are broken from moving back and forth.
@bruceaugustine6486 brother I honestly did not expect a reply 5yrs later but thank you! I'll look at it!
@@Flash363 It showed up on my feed this morning and i never looked to see how old it was so i answered. I don't know why it took so long to show up.
I've had them where they produce codes and also where they dont have any codes. I always perform the reset and it fixes the problem
My 2001 honda accord drive light keeps flashing then looses power, why is that happening
It's the ABS Module that stops communication over 30mph, not snap-on program.
I think it applies to most cars if not all.
I've used my Solus edge to rewrite the steering angle sensor, it is a quicker boot up than the Honda HDS. Really rare for the control unit needing to be replaced..
134a there's ya problem lady! It's the A/C Ivan! 😂
My 2008 Honda Accord has two recalls on it. One for the airbag and one for the ECU not communicating
I had this same thing on an 08 Honda Accord it was the DF abs speed sensor. Took me forever to find it was intermittent
Welding Junkie hey what was your car doing when vsa light came on?
My 08’ Accord exl V6 is doing the same right now.
I was gonna replace front wheel bearing/hub.
Ed Washington III it was the abs sensor causing it. I changed the drivers front and the brake and vsa light went out and has not come on since.
I have a feeling its linked to the shifter or cluster somehow as that was doing funky stuff P>N and D>N R>? etc on the scanner, to coincidental for it not to be related. anything in the diagrams that link them?
Just a Snap-On glitch I think haha
Looking forward to the conclusion and fix, & thanks for the reply Ivan
Those codes stay on only when the car is running had a similar problem with a Toyota sequoia vsc could not get codes after turning the car off had to run the car and wait for the light to come on and keep the car running
Happened to me in my toyota
I reset the module then perform (steering angle sensor, yaw sensor,and linear valve) learning that solve it to me
Continued... It may not have a code # for this error and it might select one indicating problems in the general area... Codes aren't always exact.
If it is anything like a Toyota, it is an evap leak caused by a gas cap that needs replaced. It probably has the original gas cap.
This is the salvage vehicle you previously worked on?
anyone know why alldata in the UK is S*it compared to alldatapro in USA?
the UK/European version seems a mess I had a trial and it was awful but your videos always make it look resourcful, I would love this sort of information for diagnostics!
Not sure, but that steering wheel looked quite a bit off center going straight I think..hard to tell with no straight reference while driving.. could that have anything to do with it?.. I did notice u didn’t have seat belt on much.. be safe!
Yep that pesky seatbelt light is a problem, does it set a code?
James Schrumm it does when he’s not wearing it that’s why it’s beeping! It would help if he closed the window to there wouldn’t be as much wind noise.
I could use help for the same problem on '06 Cr-V
@@keithblaquiere9135 I was making a joke about him not wearing the seatbelt.
Steering angle sensor? Are the using the Volkswagen emission cheating system?
30 minutes huh. Well it's a 7 hour drive still so score !
My wife's 2012 Odyssey I've noticed with the tpms light on (low air pressure) I can not turn off the stability control. Get tpms light to clear, you can turn off VSA. You had an inital tpms code that you cleared, and the overall code scan showed no codes -- I think it would be worth going into the actual tpms module to check for codes. Weird no tpms light comes on but I'm wondering if the 40mph deal is the tpms sensors "turning on" or something..
You need to win the lottery so you can get an Autologic! :-) Me too. Too far away to borrow Kieths huh?
Did this ever get figured out ?
What was the outcome with this
"A system for people that don't know how to drive", yep, exactly
Sadly most folks don't know how to handle a vehicle, making these systems necessary.
I will keep my older vehicle til the day I die, but then, I know how to drive.
Brake fluid low? Jim
Could just be a loose wire at the sensor?
Look up recalibration process for vsa
What is that ?
@@theroyalone7588 steering angle sensor.
I had the same problem, I own a 2009 Honda Accord. It was either the ignition coil or the spark plugs. I changed all the spark plugs and the problem went away.
The problem sets when the car is moving. And above a certain speed...this system is tied to the abs and abs monitors the speed of each tire. The low pressure in one tire might cause a "problem" (tire pressure is monitored) and who knows the stability circuit might trigger on this above a certain speed.
I had wife ring me saying tyre pressure light on. told here to pull up and i would come. Arrived and VSA light was on with the triangle and abs light. Pumped tyres up to 34 psi drove 15 feet all light went out as reset.
At 30:16 Lower left on scan tool "VSA REQ 83.1"
Sorry, meant 5:36.
The light should go off by itself if you change the spark plugs and coil packs. The coil packs dont normally have to be replaced but its a good idea since you are replacing the plugs anyway. It is sad to see that even with expensive Snap On people still do not know anything about cars and charge customers because they pull out their gadgets. Just to tell them they dont have a clue.
it's the wheel alignment I just changed my tie rod ends and I have the exact same problem