The issue is that in return for playing the card that draws 2 cards, you cannot play any other cards of that type. It would be like if Pot of Greed prevented you from playing any other Spell cards. And also is literally outclassed by Pot of Greed+.
It's mostly because they are tied to Supporter Restrictions and/or attacks these days. When they were on pre-Supporter Trainers like the Original Bill/Erika or Mary which could be used multiple times per turn they were solid additions at the time.
They did Imakuni? dirty with that Errata. The effect it had in the GBC game was way better. "Your Active Pokémon is now Confused. Imakuni wants you to play him as a Basic Pokémon, but you can't. A mysterious creature not listed in the Pokédex. He asks kids around the world, "Who is cuter-Pikachu or me?""
Fun fact about Imakuni?: He is an NPC opponent in both of the Pokémon TCG Game Boy games, and in both games he uses joke decks featuring his own card, as well as other rather joke-y cards like Gambler and Imposter Professor Oak (no not the card Impostor Oak’s Revenge, that card actually saw play).
@@honxiu in the first game it was only 4 booster packs. Colosseum, Evolution, Mystery and Laboratory. i never played the 2nd game, nor downloaded the english translation rom.
The first TCG GB game was the only one I played and jeez is it so difficult. You get one deck at the start that is mediocre. You'd think you'd be easily able to build a deck and maybe buy cards from a shop, but no, you have only the card packs acquired from winning or purchasing, and then ridiculous trade options. And the gym leaders tend to have very consistent decks. Imakuni freaked me out tho even though he was a push-over usually.
Iirc the 2nd TCG game features a red Imakuni, that actually makes proper use of the trainer card. Dark Primeape deals double damage, if confused. And while confusing yourself intentionally is a bad strategy, it's still a use case nonetheless
What’s funny about it to me is that it COULD have been a card that causes three cards to be drawn TOTAL, with the player using the card getting to choose whether their opponent draws 0 or 3. By printing a card that just gives the opponent as many cards as they want the TCG made the card unusable.
No you see, erika is a fantastic card. Since you draw first you can draw your 3 cards and sneak an Ash Blossom in your deck, convince your opponent this is a legal play and now your opponent doesn't get to draw their cards :)
That's because it also says "you can't play or set any other spell or trap cards before or after ~ this turn". That clause for being a supporter is a real ball-buster.
fwiw - TGM was viable in several decks in the 2008 format, it's inaccurate to say it saw no competitive play. it was used in decks that used absol SW as a starter, primarily honchkrow and glaceon decks.
Top 10 best "joke" cards, that Doduo card is AMAZING. I need to know more about ridiculous effects and ruling nightmares if they are applied (what if you opponent uses Throat chop and you are unable to sing?)
I'm more interested in the fact that RAW, you can truthfully claim to be appropriately resolving an effect and not get dinged for a slow-play violation. I just want to see a joke tournament on April 1 where someone just resolves the finals by busting out "The song that never ends".
Regarding Doduo, it could not be played in tournaments, which prevented it from being a nightmare for Judges. The card text says in red at the bottom that "This card cannot be used at official tournaments." Regarding Nasty Plot, it cannot actually be put into the deck. The red card text at the bottom says "This card cannot be used in games." (At least Doduo can be added to the deck...)
@@SgvSth lets say i play casually. I resolve the first harmonize and start singing, the game goes on but the damage didn't resolve, i retreat into my next doduo and card throw the doduo into my opponents eye, and then resolve harmonize again. Do I First: have to pay for treatment? Second: have to sing louder or two songs at the same time or one after another, also is throat singing considerable to do in that instance as you can produce multiple notes at the same time mean you could sing more than one song?
For the Brock & Misty cards; an interesting note is that in Japan they came out in pre-Constructed Decks, where the only Pokémon in each Deck were the Cards listed in each Supporter. It informs why they chose the Pokémon they did for each Supporter, but it doesn’t make them any more viable outside of each Theme Deck.
Fun fact: Imakuni and his card Imakuni? featured in the Pokemon TCG video game on the GameBoy Color. That's where I originally knew him and his card from.
Enjoyed the fun edits put into this video! Video idea: taking a look at Best/Worst Stadium cards maybe? Most are niche, but stadiums like Broken Time-Space, Forest of Giant Plants, Parallel City, and Chaotic Swell come to mind as some pretty universally strong stadiums over the years. Tropical Beach is also one that is a given, especially with its limited printings as tournament prizes.
As someone that knows nothing of the modern day Pokemon TCG, but is very familiar with the ruleset in the Gameboy Game, it's weird seeing a card like Misty's Water Command be called useless when when Venasaur's Energy Trans PokePower in that game is so incredibly broken. it's basically a less restrictive version of this Misty card , and You can literally use it to transfer energy off of pokémon that are at risk of dying so that you always have energy cards to attack with. It literally just lets you conserve your resources. I take it the game has changed a lot since then lol
Moving attached Energy isn't a bad effect. Misty's Water Command only as playable as the Pokémon it supports, and they are apparently not very good or have poor synergy together. A more generic version of a "moving attached Energy" effect is Energy Switch, an Item card that was released in Aquapolis in 2003. It can only move 1 of any type of Basic Energy. This is a kind of evergreen card that has never been allowed to rotate since its inception and has seen some amount of success in every format over the years. Out of the big 3 TCGs, I think the Pokémon TCG is the game that has changed the least from its inception. Most of the cards that form the core of modern competitive decks are remixes of previous designs with minor stat tweaks, and modern decks are often piloted similarly to decks from the past. Power creep mainly bumps stats like HP and damage, while the power level of effects don't really change much. Things like Energy Trans Venusaur and Rain Dance Blastoise can still be viable in the current environment given the right circumstances. While the current iteration of "Energy Trans" has not seen success, the current iteration of "Rain Dance" is pretty good. There will be a new Baxcalibur releasing in the next set, and it has a functionally identical Rain Dance Ability. Even in 2023, unlimited Energy acceleration from the hand is good (lol) and this Baxcalibur forms the basis of a new competitive archetype that has seen some success in Japan.
For the draw 4 card supporters. The writer definitely over looked sophocles from burning shadows. It was played alot in very successful blacepalon GX decks...
Imakuni shouldn't count, because it was clearly intended to be a joke card. The worst supporter card I would argue is Mary's Impulse. Flip a coin until you get tails for each heads draw 2 cards. It should be obvious why such a card is even worse than a Mom's Kindness.
@@boxkid759 Pokémon is a game of consistency. You don't want to rely on flippy effects over the course of a tournament. Unless the card is really strong like Super Scoop Up.
I understand that these videos need to be a certain length, but I really don't think the segment on a card that only draws 2 cards needed to be much longer than "yeah so they consistently reprint a card that draws one more card than this into starter decks because it's a bulk common so a card that's literally just worse than a bulk common is really bad". My man really did pull out every card that says "draw 2 cards and" to melt this card when all he had to do was show the card that says "draw 2 cards and then draw another card".
The length quota could also be met just by talking a bit slower. Something I wish these channels would do, I usually watch at 90% speed just so that I can keep up with the commentary and so the words don't constantly run together.
Erika was reprinted in 2019 so that the previous Erika card couldn't be used in the "Unlimited" format as an item card. The ruling was that cards that were printed as "Trainers" back before Supporters, Items etc. came about would be considered Item cards in the Unlimited format, unless that card had a mechanically identical re-release as a Supporter, in which case it would have to be played as a Supporter. Erika was a mainstay in Unlimited at the time.
I know Imakuni from the game boy tcg game. He is the best npc to fight against since his deck is weak and you can receive four booster as prize or one card Imakuni.
Fun fact, the item version of Erika saw a bunch of play back then because it was used to dig for a hand loop combo that didn't care how many cards your opponent had (a certain item who's name I forget to drop them to 4 cards then multiple rockets trap and/or rockets sneak attack to get rid of the rest)
Yep. You could play Erika in 2000 to draw up to 12 cards, then play Imposter Oak's Revenge which cost one card from your hand to force your opponent to shuffle their hand into their deck. With Rocket’s Sneak Attack allowing you to view your opponent's hand and send one Trainer card beck to their deck and The Rocket's Trap allowing you to send three random cards to their deck on a successful coin toss, there was all advantage and limited downside to the Erika combo.
Imakuni should have been a Dishonorable mention since it's a joke with Number 2 becoming Number 1 and so on. Would be interesting to hear what Number 11...err...10 would have been.
The worst part of Misty's Water Command is that it's outclassed by Quagsire that's released on the same set, which has the ability to move water energy as you like to the active pokemon
Here Comes Team Rocket was one of my favorite cards to play in very old formats, before there were other prize flippers. It was also a fun counter tech pick to the gallade that increased damage the more prize cards you flipped over.
One more thing about cedric juniper; at the time, the best pokemon were Pokemon-EX cards, for the most part. These cards didn't even have the heights printed on them! So you had to specifically have a pokemon in your hand that WASN'T an EX in order to even play the card.
Honestly the biggest downside about Erika was the fact that we got Erika's hospitality a few months before it in the set team up, Witch allowed you to draw a card for each pokemon your opponent had in play so long as you had 4 or fewer cards in your hand Erika's hospitality was a way better card the. Erika
I feel like not including cards like Mary’s Impulse and Juggler both are quite bad as well, arguably worse than around half the list. What are the criteria for this list? I assume thé invisible criteria is “Card must be in the current expanded format, must be actively seen as a bad card, and must hold up as a bad card by both current standards and standards on it’s release” If that’s the case, 100% best list for this idea i’ve ever seen. otherwise, some omissions, but still really good as always!
Juggler was a good card though. At the time (2002) discarding cards was very difficult, so being able to target discard your energy to draw 5 cards was very good in the right context (such as in feraligator decks that wanted to discard energy). In 2003 it would see even more play after the rotation of Cleffa put an even greater importance on supporters. Even in the next year 2004 juggler still had some relevance in a few decks that had an heavy emphasis on discarding energy cards specifically. Marys impulse was pretty awful but I suppose its at the very least better then most of the cards on the list (after all if you high rolled you could draw a lot of cards).
Imakuni? had ONE niche: confusing Inkay XY 74 so you can attack or accelerate energy with Malamar on turn one going second. It's now hopelessly outclassed by Yell Horn though.
I tried using Imakuni? in a Hisuian Electrode V deck. The idea was to use Victini with the Victory Star ability to allow be to reflip the coin if I end up attacking myself in confusion. The current rulings state that you cannot do this.
League Staff is so bad that they made a better version of it in the form of Falkner. It draws 2, but if you have *any* stadium in play, it let's you draw 2 more cards.
I didn't know that there were MULTIPLE Imakuni cards, but I looked them up and it needs to be added to the list that 1. "Here Comes Team Rocket" is ALSO out done by Shining Imakuni?, which turns over all prizes AND DECKS, and 2. Dance! Neo Imakuni? outdoes Imakuni? by allowing you to inflict any status condition other than burn.
When you see a card like Cedric Juniper or Swordward being in the format alongside a clearly strictly better Supporter, it becomes obvious that the designer thought the designs were fun but absolutely did not want them to ever become competitively viable. Imagine if you actually had to memorize every Pokémon's height to be able to compete in tournament play?
i kinda wish here comes team rocket drew 1 card or something, cause revealing prize cards is pretty cool and having it at least replace itself with something that maybe actually does something would make me want to play it (in a very casual setting)
The intro could have been worded a bit better. It's not just like a supporter card can be used once a turn, but rather that only one supporter card can be used per turn in TOTAL
Imakumi was also featured on the pokemon TCG videogame for gameboy color. He was an NPC you could battle and he played his own card. I remember the card having some extra text like "if you see him on the street, go say hi" or something
These cards are not good for tournaments but great for a learning player or to make non-competitive low intensity decks. I like the idea of Cedric Juniper’s effect, puts a fun twist to it.
A card I feel deserved a mention is Mary's Impulse. It seems like it could be good at first. Flip a coin until you get tails, then draw 2 cards for each heads you flipped. Problem is, the whole card is luck based, and right off the bat you have a 50% chance of your one Supporter for the turn doing literally nothing. If you get just one heads, you basically just played Mom's Kindness, which we've established isn't very good, if you get 2 heads, its only a little bit better than cards like Hau, Hop, and Barry. Any beyond that and yeah, it becomes really good. But having to 3 heads in a row for the card to be really good feels a bit ridiculous. Also, something that I find kinda funny is the fact that the original Professor Oak card was reprinted to be a Supporter, but they also added the effect that it immediately ends your turn after its played, making the fact that its a Supporter a bit redundant.
A couple of comments here: For Erika at number 3, she really needed to be printed just to remove the item form of her from Unlimited. She, from my point of view, wasn't intended to be competitive in any format. As for Imakuni, yeah. The card is a joke, but there is a theoretical situation that becoming confused is a positive. If you are Asleep or Paralyzed, you can't retreat. However, gaining the Confusion status, removes Asleep and Paralysis. This isn't good enough for the card to be anything but a joke, but it is something.
Technically Imakuni? would be usable to confuse machamp EX (Ancient Origins) to fulfill its second attacks special condition requirement, but costing the once per turn supporter is a bit of a waste for 80 extra damage.
Hey I just want to point out that you only showed the Trainer version of Here Comes Team Rocket instead of the Supporter version. I would have liked to see how it looks now!
Imakuni had useage with from XY base set card inkay with the ability upside down evolution to instantly evolve inkay into malamar without having to wait the turn to evolve, and it would search the evolition from the deck.
Giratina from Lost Thunder, Blacepalon from Unbroken Bonds, Joltic from Phantom Forces, Garbodor from Guardians Rising, Buzzwole from Forbidden Light, Zapdos from Team Up, Sableye from Lost Origin, Victini Prism Star from Dragons Majesty, all the Regis from current regi deck. And idk something else. Just modern Era tho
5:00 Oh my gosh, guys I just had a memory return to me. When I was in elementary school and tried to learn how to play the Pokémon TCG, I would never read the effect of Bebe's Search because it was too much text. ...now... now I play Yu-Gi-Oh!...
Because your opponent gets to choose, Swordbert and Shieldbert are *strictly worse* than a straight draw 3. Should have been flat draw 2, then either get the trainer back or draw 2 more.
i don't ever remember playing any of these cards, but did get very upset when they made Erika a supporter card. this card was actually quite good in gen 1, as it allowed decks like Haymakers to draw through their deck quicker. also, if your opponent thought they were being clever by drawing lots of cards too, you could just use Imposter oaks revenge, or do what i used to do, and gamble of "rockets secret machine: Tickling Machine", and give your opponent a zero card hand, and forcing them to draw 7 new cards with imposter professor oak, then mill them out with Fossil Moltres!
I actually feel like Here Comes Team Rocket has a place in GLC format. Yes, Town Map works for only you, but I saw people talking about how that allows your opponent to play more aggressively since THEY know some of the resources you're trying to go for. HCTR puts both players on the same level, so it doesn't immediately put your opponent into that sort of panicked aggro state. It's still not amazing by any means, but it DOES have a place. Misty's Water Command on the other hand doesn't even have a situational use in GLC. GLC still lets you use Deluge Blastoise. That just straight up kills ANY sort of need you'd have for MWC.
Oh I remember a Pokémon championships or states or something like that where a player put Juniper as the supporter and instead of juniper discard your hand draw and use Cedric Juniper so he had to play with Cedric Juniper instead of the regular Jennifer it was quite funny
hearing a very dry analysis of why an obvious joke card is a bad card with a bad effect, followed by another dry analysis explaining how we can know it's a joke, is a pretty silly experience
That's just kinda how it is for names. I'd love it if there was a place that had all the names and ways to pronounce them, which thankfully they do have for the pokemon names. But not the trainers.
Teeechnically "Imakuni?" can be used to confuse your own Hisuian Electrode V to do additional damage. It's an extremely inefficient way to do it, and is only possible in Expanded format, and takes up your supporter for the turn, and many other cards accomplish the same result more efficiently, also the card Windup Arm that's a staple for the deck doesn't protect from Confusion. but TECHNICALLY Imakuni? is the most broken card ever printed as it technically combos with a card printed in a much later format. I'ma gonna put 4 copies into my cube.
My favorite "bad" supporter is Piers. Mahone is always ragging on Piers, but I use it in my Galarian Weezing deck,, where it's just fine, and I'm thinking of putting it into my Durant deck because for some reason, I can never find the Energy to actually do anything, and it's the only way to tutor special Energy. Everything else is just basic Energy.
Yes, Cedric Juniper is just a worse Cheren. However, it's such a funny requirement that I love it regardless. Is there anyone out there who knows Pokemon heights by heart exclusively to counter it?
Not including Bill (HGSS) is odd. It's a card that is even more outclassed than Mom's Kindness , and was outclassed by Cheerleader's cheer and Emcee's Chatter, both of which also unplayable.
I would be interested in hearing about the Pokemon TCG's best "Damage Gates", the cards used to wall and stall opponents. Like Jungle Mr. Mime with its Invisible Wall Poke Power, for example.
oh yeah! Jungle Mr mime is a pain, and Erika's Dratini, makes all basic pokemon's attacks deal only 10 damage to it! base set Hitmonchan with 3 fighting energy using special punch for 40 damage, would only do 10 damage to Erika's Dratini. it was super annoying to fight against online, on TCG ONE (the trading card game version of Showdown)
I haven't played since the e-reader sets so I'm surprised at a card like Cedric Juniper asking you info that's been on the cards since inception but had no bearing on the gameplay just due to brand synergy.
Personally, Bill from HGSS and Erika from CEC are top picks for me on bad supporters since they rectroactively nerf their older copies in unlimited. As a newer card, I'd nominate Brandon. In the modern sets, getting down to one for the effect of OG Colress is just incredibly bad. Not sure if it makes T10 tho since a lot of the ones you put on here were that bad. Also Mom's Kindness was meant for a family set in Japan, so I give it a little slack. Just a little.
I personally disagree with Erika being at spot 3. Even though she's horrible in most decks, some mill decks benefit greatly from the consistency she provides. In my experience, usually your opponent draws about 1-2 cards, which is still better than nothing. And even if they decline, you still draw three cards yourself which makes it fine in the worst case (in these niche decks). In fact, without Erika, the mill deck I do play would take a lot longer to do it's thing, and the win rate would probably have even dropped a tad. Since it's pretty good in these circumstances, I think it should outrank cards like Misty's water command, which is just bad no matter what.
I'm not as up to date with this as I am with yugioh but i got back into it when I got the zeraora structure deck for cristmas and thought i could play my custy 2018 ex deck against it but no that zeraora deck has some of the most op draw cards I've ver seen plus a card that can always easily search out its ace, I can't comlete with that with my miscellaneous assembly of older cards. Now I'm trying to find the time to rework my custy deck so it's not as ass because for some reason teenage me gave this bitch 3 energy types when the only electric cards it had were preevos I could easily switch out for steel types.
Regarding the Imakuni? card, there is a different japanese promo card, which card text is kinda just a letter by Imakuni talking about this card: "Hello! How is everyone doing? I started Pokémon cards recently!! Pokémon cards are extremely interesting, but there is one thing I sometimes want to say!! Da-dum That is, to say The "Imakuni? card" is useless!! Da-da-dum Does everyone know what the Imakuni? card does? It says "When you play this card, your Active Pokémon is now Confused."!? It's your Pokémon, y-o-u-r-s! How can that be?! So, Imakuni? fans all across the country are crying. They're crying. But the Imakuni? card's in my deck. I'll use it someday!"
If the Imakuni? card didn't exist IRL back in the day I would have assumed it was created for the Game Boy Color game to make Imakuni? easier to beat lmao
As a Yugioh player, hearing that a card that *just* draws 2 cards being not good is insane to me lol
not only that but Riley is a Painful Choice alternative but he's terrible in Pokemon
The issue is that in return for playing the card that draws 2 cards, you cannot play any other cards of that type. It would be like if Pot of Greed prevented you from playing any other Spell cards. And also is literally outclassed by Pot of Greed+.
Thats because the things you could in Pokemon TCG is limited in a turn
@@honxiu I am aware. It's just funny how one effect that'd be incredible in one game is garbage in another.
It's mostly because they are tied to Supporter Restrictions and/or attacks these days.
When they were on pre-Supporter Trainers like the Original Bill/Erika or Mary which could be used multiple times per turn they were solid additions at the time.
They did Imakuni? dirty with that Errata. The effect it had in the GBC game was way better.
"Your Active Pokémon is now Confused. Imakuni wants you to play him as a Basic Pokémon, but you can't. A mysterious creature not listed in the Pokédex. He asks kids around the world, "Who is cuter-Pikachu or me?""
I got way too much of a laugh from him pronouncing Nemona as "Pneumonia"
I cringed so hard when he pronounced it like that lol
Where??
I still remember when he called Darth Vader "Dark Vader".
She's out of breath from chasing you all over Paldea
@@Qblazer100THE NAHOBINO
Fun fact about Imakuni?: He is an NPC opponent in both of the Pokémon TCG Game Boy games, and in both games he uses joke decks featuring his own card, as well as other rather joke-y cards like Gambler and Imposter Professor Oak (no not the card Impostor Oak’s Revenge, that card actually saw play).
i liked fighting because he gives out fire booster packs 😂
@@honxiu in the first game it was only 4 booster packs. Colosseum, Evolution, Mystery and Laboratory.
i never played the 2nd game, nor downloaded the english translation rom.
The first TCG GB game was the only one I played and jeez is it so difficult. You get one deck at the start that is mediocre. You'd think you'd be easily able to build a deck and maybe buy cards from a shop, but no, you have only the card packs acquired from winning or purchasing, and then ridiculous trade options. And the gym leaders tend to have very consistent decks.
Imakuni freaked me out tho even though he was a push-over usually.
@@sw33t.angela Yeah, you have to grind against the tutorial scientist and hope you get some good stuff before you go challenge a club.
Iirc the 2nd TCG game features a red Imakuni, that actually makes proper use of the trainer card. Dark Primeape deals double damage, if confused. And while confusing yourself intentionally is a bad strategy, it's still a use case nonetheless
Something else about Erika: She can't even be used to mill someone, since it's both a "may draw" and "up to" effect.
Also, the card causes unlimited players to treat Erika from Gym as a supporter, heavily nerfing her. (Bill from HGSS suffered the same fate)
What’s funny about it to me is that it COULD have been a card that causes three cards to be drawn TOTAL, with the player using the card getting to choose whether their opponent draws 0 or 3.
By printing a card that just gives the opponent as many cards as they want the TCG made the card unusable.
No you see, erika is a fantastic card. Since you draw first you can draw your 3 cards and sneak an Ash Blossom in your deck, convince your opponent this is a legal play and now your opponent doesn't get to draw their cards :)
A card like Mars that draws two and spins a card from the opponents hand not being viable gives my yugioh brain whiplash
That's because it also says "you can't play or set any other spell or trap cards before or after ~ this turn". That clause for being a supporter is a real ball-buster.
fwiw - TGM was viable in several decks in the 2008 format, it's inaccurate to say it saw no competitive play. it was used in decks that used absol SW as a starter, primarily honchkrow and glaceon decks.
@@erikreeds3836 Even it's modern version saw some play in control decks.
Top 10 best "joke" cards, that Doduo card is AMAZING. I need to know more about ridiculous effects and ruling nightmares if they are applied (what if you opponent uses Throat chop and you are unable to sing?)
Birthday Pikachu wants to know your location
Imakuni?'s Nasty Plot sounds broken, until you realize that your opponent is never going to look away after your play it.
I'm more interested in the fact that RAW, you can truthfully claim to be appropriately resolving an effect and not get dinged for a slow-play violation. I just want to see a joke tournament on April 1 where someone just resolves the finals by busting out "The song that never ends".
Regarding Doduo, it could not be played in tournaments, which prevented it from being a nightmare for Judges. The card text says in red at the bottom that "This card cannot be used at official tournaments."
Regarding Nasty Plot, it cannot actually be put into the deck. The red card text at the bottom says "This card cannot be used in games." (At least Doduo can be added to the deck...)
@@SgvSth lets say i play casually. I resolve the first harmonize and start singing, the game goes on but the damage didn't resolve, i retreat into my next doduo and card throw the doduo into my opponents eye, and then resolve harmonize again.
Do I
First: have to pay for treatment?
Second: have to sing louder or two songs at the same time or one after another, also is throat singing considerable to do in that instance as you can produce multiple notes at the same time mean you could sing more than one song?
2:18 I'm glad to hear that having pneumonia will allow me to draw 3 cards
For the Brock & Misty cards; an interesting note is that in Japan they came out in pre-Constructed Decks, where the only Pokémon in each Deck were the Cards listed in each Supporter. It informs why they chose the Pokémon they did for each Supporter, but it doesn’t make them any more viable outside of each Theme Deck.
That’s a Magic the Gathering ass move too
almost had me worried this channel got taken out back, appreciate you keeping it going!
I don't get it, what does Mom's Kindness do exactly?
Honestly, I never thought that there were worse supporter cards than than the Draw 3 cards, but now, those cards seem benign in comparison to these.
Fun fact: Imakuni and his card Imakuni? featured in the Pokemon TCG video game on the GameBoy Color. That's where I originally knew him and his card from.
Enjoyed the fun edits put into this video!
Video idea: taking a look at Best/Worst Stadium cards maybe? Most are niche, but stadiums like Broken Time-Space, Forest of Giant Plants, Parallel City, and Chaotic Swell come to mind as some pretty universally strong stadiums over the years. Tropical Beach is also one that is a given, especially with its limited printings as tournament prizes.
As someone that knows nothing of the modern day Pokemon TCG, but is very familiar with the ruleset in the Gameboy Game, it's weird seeing a card like Misty's Water Command be called useless when when Venasaur's Energy Trans PokePower in that game is so incredibly broken. it's basically a less restrictive version of this Misty card , and You can literally use it to transfer energy off of pokémon that are at risk of dying so that you always have energy cards to attack with. It literally just lets you conserve your resources.
I take it the game has changed a lot since then lol
Moving attached Energy isn't a bad effect. Misty's Water Command only as playable as the Pokémon it supports, and they are apparently not very good or have poor synergy together.
A more generic version of a "moving attached Energy" effect is Energy Switch, an Item card that was released in Aquapolis in 2003. It can only move 1 of any type of Basic Energy. This is a kind of evergreen card that has never been allowed to rotate since its inception and has seen some amount of success in every format over the years.
Out of the big 3 TCGs, I think the Pokémon TCG is the game that has changed the least from its inception. Most of the cards that form the core of modern competitive decks are remixes of previous designs with minor stat tweaks, and modern decks are often piloted similarly to decks from the past. Power creep mainly bumps stats like HP and damage, while the power level of effects don't really change much.
Things like Energy Trans Venusaur and Rain Dance Blastoise can still be viable in the current environment given the right circumstances. While the current iteration of "Energy Trans" has not seen success, the current iteration of "Rain Dance" is pretty good. There will be a new Baxcalibur releasing in the next set, and it has a functionally identical Rain Dance Ability. Even in 2023, unlimited Energy acceleration from the hand is good (lol) and this Baxcalibur forms the basis of a new competitive archetype that has seen some success in Japan.
For the draw 4 card supporters. The writer definitely over looked sophocles from burning shadows. It was played alot in very successful blacepalon GX decks...
Imakuni shouldn't count, because it was clearly intended to be a joke card. The worst supporter card I would argue is Mary's Impulse. Flip a coin until you get tails for each heads draw 2 cards. It should be obvious why such a card is even worse than a Mom's Kindness.
I disagree. Mary's impulse probably better
@@boxkid759 It has a 50% chance of doing nothing for a lame effect.
@@Mitjitsu true. Still better I've flipped multiple heads In a row so many times. So huge payout sometimes as well.
@@boxkid759 Pokémon is a game of consistency. You don't want to rely on flippy effects over the course of a tournament. Unless the card is really strong like Super Scoop Up.
@@Mitjitsu I know I've been playing for years. If I had a gun to my head on which one to pick to play, it would be impulse. It see more cards overall.
I understand that these videos need to be a certain length, but I really don't think the segment on a card that only draws 2 cards needed to be much longer than "yeah so they consistently reprint a card that draws one more card than this into starter decks because it's a bulk common so a card that's literally just worse than a bulk common is really bad". My man really did pull out every card that says "draw 2 cards and" to melt this card when all he had to do was show the card that says "draw 2 cards and then draw another card".
The length quota could also be met just by talking a bit slower. Something I wish these channels would do, I usually watch at 90% speed just so that I can keep up with the commentary and so the words don't constantly run together.
Erika was reprinted in 2019 so that the previous Erika card couldn't be used in the "Unlimited" format as an item card.
The ruling was that cards that were printed as "Trainers" back before Supporters, Items etc. came about would be considered Item cards in the Unlimited format, unless that card had a mechanically identical re-release as a Supporter, in which case it would have to be played as a Supporter.
Erika was a mainstay in Unlimited at the time.
I know Imakuni from the game boy tcg game. He is the best npc to fight against since his deck is weak and you can receive four booster as prize or one card Imakuni.
Actually; it's not the first the west has seen of Imakuni. Him and his cards are in the GBA TCG game.
Fun fact, the item version of Erika saw a bunch of play back then because it was used to dig for a hand loop combo that didn't care how many cards your opponent had (a certain item who's name I forget to drop them to 4 cards then multiple rockets trap and/or rockets sneak attack to get rid of the rest)
Yep. You could play Erika in 2000 to draw up to 12 cards, then play Imposter Oak's Revenge which cost one card from your hand to force your opponent to shuffle their hand into their deck. With Rocket’s Sneak Attack allowing you to view your opponent's hand and send one Trainer card beck to their deck and The Rocket's Trap allowing you to send three random cards to their deck on a successful coin toss, there was all advantage and limited downside to the Erika combo.
Imakuni should have been a Dishonorable mention since it's a joke with Number 2 becoming Number 1 and so on. Would be interesting to hear what Number 11...err...10 would have been.
Sordward and Shieldbert might function as niche tech option in Perrserker V decks, since you can benefit from either effect your opponent chooses.
The worst part of Misty's Water Command is that it's outclassed by Quagsire that's released on the same set, which has the ability to move water energy as you like to the active pokemon
I remember playing against Imakuni in the gbc game
Here Comes Team Rocket was one of my favorite cards to play in very old formats, before there were other prize flippers.
It was also a fun counter tech pick to the gallade that increased damage the more prize cards you flipped over.
Obviously we need a video about the various Imakuni? cards and other such jokes.
One more thing about cedric juniper; at the time, the best pokemon were Pokemon-EX cards, for the most part. These cards didn't even have the heights printed on them! So you had to specifically have a pokemon in your hand that WASN'T an EX in order to even play the card.
You do such a good job describing effects from a third-person perspective. I'm glad I can enjoy these, thanks for the vids.
Imakuni's history is amazing lol.
Also Imakuni is in the Pokemon TCG for GBC, and that was my first exposure to him
nice list, i'd love to see a Top 10 Worst Item Cards list next.
Honestly the biggest downside about Erika was the fact that we got Erika's hospitality a few months before it in the set team up,
Witch allowed you to draw a card for each pokemon your opponent had in play so long as you had 4 or fewer cards in your hand
Erika's hospitality was a way better card the. Erika
Fun fact, you could use imakuni to instantly evolve inkay with the topsy-turvy evolution ability
I feel like not including cards like Mary’s Impulse and Juggler both are quite bad as well, arguably worse than around half the list. What are the criteria for this list?
I assume thé invisible criteria is “Card must be in the current expanded format, must be actively seen as a bad card, and must hold up as a bad card by both current standards and standards on it’s release”
If that’s the case, 100% best list for this idea i’ve ever seen. otherwise, some omissions, but still really good as always!
Juggler was a good card though. At the time (2002) discarding cards was very difficult, so being able to target discard your energy to draw 5 cards was very good in the right context (such as in feraligator decks that wanted to discard energy). In 2003 it would see even more play after the rotation of Cleffa put an even greater importance on supporters. Even in the next year 2004 juggler still had some relevance in a few decks that had an heavy emphasis on discarding energy cards specifically.
Marys impulse was pretty awful but I suppose its at the very least better then most of the cards on the list (after all if you high rolled you could draw a lot of cards).
I love all the “life long nemesis” and stuff instead of opponents it’s so funny
Imakuni? had ONE niche: confusing Inkay XY 74 so you can attack or accelerate energy with Malamar on turn one going second. It's now hopelessly outclassed by Yell Horn though.
I tried using Imakuni? in a Hisuian Electrode V deck. The idea was to use Victini with the Victory Star ability to allow be to reflip the coin if I end up attacking myself in confusion. The current rulings state that you cannot do this.
Hau is pronounced as "How" and Nemona is pronounced as "Ne-mow-na".
Also Bede is pronounced “Bead.” It’s especially egregious since Bede is an English name.
League Staff is so bad that they made a better version of it in the form of Falkner. It draws 2, but if you have *any* stadium in play, it let's you draw 2 more cards.
I didn't know that there were MULTIPLE Imakuni cards, but I looked them up and it needs to be added to the list that 1. "Here Comes Team Rocket" is ALSO out done by Shining Imakuni?, which turns over all prizes AND DECKS, and 2. Dance! Neo Imakuni? outdoes Imakuni? by allowing you to inflict any status condition other than burn.
Worst of videos for games you don't even play are so weirdly therapeutic.
I remember Cedric Juniper! My dad used to play it against me and it was kinda insane because I could never guess it.
When you see a card like Cedric Juniper or Swordward being in the format alongside a clearly strictly better Supporter, it becomes obvious that the designer thought the designs were fun but absolutely did not want them to ever become competitively viable. Imagine if you actually had to memorize every Pokémon's height to be able to compete in tournament play?
i kinda wish here comes team rocket drew 1 card or something, cause revealing prize cards is pretty cool and having it at least replace itself with something that maybe actually does something would make me want to play it (in a very casual setting)
The intro could have been worded a bit better. It's not just like a supporter card can be used once a turn, but rather that only one supporter card can be used per turn in TOTAL
Imakumi was also featured on the pokemon TCG videogame for gameboy color. He was an NPC you could battle and he played his own card.
I remember the card having some extra text like "if you see him on the street, go say hi" or something
2:11 mr logs does his best wolf impression
"your mortal nemesis is scummy" lmaoo
These cards are not good for tournaments but great for a learning player or to make non-competitive low intensity decks. I like the idea of Cedric Juniper’s effect, puts a fun twist to it.
Congrats Riley, you're only not the worst because of a literal joke card.
A card I feel deserved a mention is Mary's Impulse. It seems like it could be good at first. Flip a coin until you get tails, then draw 2 cards for each heads you flipped. Problem is, the whole card is luck based, and right off the bat you have a 50% chance of your one Supporter for the turn doing literally nothing. If you get just one heads, you basically just played Mom's Kindness, which we've established isn't very good, if you get 2 heads, its only a little bit better than cards like Hau, Hop, and Barry. Any beyond that and yeah, it becomes really good. But having to 3 heads in a row for the card to be really good feels a bit ridiculous.
Also, something that I find kinda funny is the fact that the original Professor Oak card was reprinted to be a Supporter, but they also added the effect that it immediately ends your turn after its played, making the fact that its a Supporter a bit redundant.
Man, I'm getting flashbacks to getting the Imakuni? card on Pokémon TCG for the Game Boy.
A couple of comments here:
For Erika at number 3, she really needed to be printed just to remove the item form of her from Unlimited. She, from my point of view, wasn't intended to be competitive in any format.
As for Imakuni, yeah. The card is a joke, but there is a theoretical situation that becoming confused is a positive. If you are Asleep or Paralyzed, you can't retreat. However, gaining the Confusion status, removes Asleep and Paralysis. This isn't good enough for the card to be anything but a joke, but it is something.
Mom's Kindness? What does it even do?!
Technically Imakuni? would be usable to confuse machamp EX (Ancient Origins) to fulfill its second attacks special condition requirement, but costing the once per turn supporter is a bit of a waste for 80 extra damage.
Mom’s kindness is so bad it’s worse than Bebe’s search which is just a Pokémon Communication as a supporter.
Hey I just want to point out that you only showed the Trainer version of Here Comes Team Rocket instead of the Supporter version. I would have liked to see how it looks now!
Its literally the same text and artwork with the supporter tag(in small text) not much different sadly
The gen 3 print did have different art though.
2:19 Pneumonia? (Nemona) 😅
Imakuni had useage with from XY base set card inkay with the ability upside down evolution to instantly evolve inkay into malamar without having to wait the turn to evolve, and it would search the evolition from the deck.
Me memorising every pokemon height in case Cedric Juniper gets played
How about Top 10 single prize attackers, i.e the main attacker of a deck that only gave up a single prize card
Giratina from Lost Thunder, Blacepalon from Unbroken Bonds, Joltic from Phantom Forces, Garbodor from Guardians Rising, Buzzwole from Forbidden Light, Zapdos from Team Up, Sableye from Lost Origin, Victini Prism Star from Dragons Majesty, all the Regis from current regi deck. And idk something else. Just modern Era tho
me, mentally ill, hearing 'your active pokemon is now confused': BUT IF YOU USE MYSTICAL REFPANEL-
5:00 Oh my gosh, guys I just had a memory return to me. When I was in elementary school and tried to learn how to play the Pokémon TCG, I would never read the effect of Bebe's Search because it was too much text.
...now... now I play Yu-Gi-Oh!...
If Erika forced the opponent to draw cards, it would've been ok in gengar and mimikyu decks
Thank you for saying it with the confused tone
Because your opponent gets to choose, Swordbert and Shieldbert are *strictly worse* than a straight draw 3. Should have been flat draw 2, then either get the trainer back or draw 2 more.
i don't ever remember playing any of these cards, but did get very upset when they made Erika a supporter card.
this card was actually quite good in gen 1, as it allowed decks like Haymakers to draw through their deck quicker.
also, if your opponent thought they were being clever by drawing lots of cards too, you could just use Imposter oaks revenge, or do what i used to do, and gamble of "rockets secret machine: Tickling Machine", and give your opponent a zero card hand, and forcing them to draw 7 new cards with imposter professor oak, then mill them out with Fossil Moltres!
I actually feel like Here Comes Team Rocket has a place in GLC format. Yes, Town Map works for only you, but I saw people talking about how that allows your opponent to play more aggressively since THEY know some of the resources you're trying to go for. HCTR puts both players on the same level, so it doesn't immediately put your opponent into that sort of panicked aggro state. It's still not amazing by any means, but it DOES have a place.
Misty's Water Command on the other hand doesn't even have a situational use in GLC. GLC still lets you use Deluge Blastoise. That just straight up kills ANY sort of need you'd have for MWC.
Should do a top 10 rarest modern and vintage cards or like top 10 rarest charizard/mewtwo exct
Does anybody else think that the art for Steven's advice is funny because of the background
My man really acknowledged that Imakuni? is a joke card that's bad on purpose and still put it on this list.
That was not the first time the West had the Imakuni? card. We had it in the very early generations, on the Pokemon TCG game for GBC.
2:12 Ha-OO.
Also… He Called Nemona Pnuemonia.
Oh I remember a Pokémon championships or states or something like that where a player put Juniper as the supporter and instead of juniper discard your hand draw and use Cedric Juniper so he had to play with Cedric Juniper instead of the regular Jennifer it was quite funny
imakunis doduo with a song that doesnt end
Hau did you pronounce Hau's name so badly?
EDIT: Okay, after Bede I think I was trolled.
hearing a very dry analysis of why an obvious joke card is a bad card with a bad effect, followed by another dry analysis explaining how we can know it's a joke, is a pretty silly experience
I absolutely love your videos!!!!!
But your pronunciations make me gag a little. Sorry 😅 Always looking forward to the next video, cheers!
That's just kinda how it is for names. I'd love it if there was a place that had all the names and ways to pronounce them, which thankfully they do have for the pokemon names. But not the trainers.
Imakuni? Is a reprint of a japan exclusive base set promo. Imakuni is a comedian/childrens entertainer popular in Japan
What is "Sun & Shield"? That was said and written during the 6th minute and 36th second of the video
Teeechnically "Imakuni?" can be used to confuse your own Hisuian Electrode V to do additional damage. It's an extremely inefficient way to do it, and is only possible in Expanded format, and takes up your supporter for the turn, and many other cards accomplish the same result more efficiently, also the card Windup Arm that's a staple for the deck doesn't protect from Confusion.
but
TECHNICALLY
Imakuni? is the most broken card ever printed as it technically combos with a card printed in a much later format.
I'ma gonna put 4 copies into my cube.
My favorite "bad" supporter is Piers. Mahone is always ragging on Piers, but I use it in my Galarian Weezing deck,, where it's just fine, and I'm thinking of putting it into my Durant deck because for some reason, I can never find the Energy to actually do anything, and it's the only way to tutor special Energy. Everything else is just basic Energy.
Oh, my god. subscribed!
Welp I've played a couple of these cards in my poltergeist deck. Specifically Erika
Yes, Cedric Juniper is just a worse Cheren. However, it's such a funny requirement that I love it regardless. Is there anyone out there who knows Pokemon heights by heart exclusively to counter it?
Not including Bill (HGSS) is odd. It's a card that is even more outclassed than Mom's Kindness , and was outclassed by Cheerleader's cheer and Emcee's Chatter, both of which also unplayable.
I would be interested in hearing about the Pokemon TCG's best "Damage Gates", the cards used to wall and stall opponents. Like Jungle Mr. Mime with its Invisible Wall Poke Power, for example.
oh yeah! Jungle Mr mime is a pain, and Erika's Dratini, makes all basic pokemon's attacks deal only 10 damage to it!
base set Hitmonchan with 3 fighting energy using special punch for 40 damage, would only do 10 damage to Erika's Dratini. it was super annoying to fight against online, on TCG ONE (the trading card game version of Showdown)
Cedric Juniper may have been total garbage. However, it was very funny trying to get people to guess the height of a Pokémon.
Feels like Imakuni? is a cheap inclusion because it was designed to be bad he should be an honorable mention at best.
I haven't played since the e-reader sets so I'm surprised at a card like Cedric Juniper asking you info that's been on the cards since inception but had no bearing on the gameplay just due to brand synergy.
You should do top ten worst ex monsters
Personally, Bill from HGSS and Erika from CEC are top picks for me on bad supporters since they rectroactively nerf their older copies in unlimited.
As a newer card, I'd nominate Brandon. In the modern sets, getting down to one for the effect of OG Colress is just incredibly bad. Not sure if it makes T10 tho since a lot of the ones you put on here were that bad.
Also Mom's Kindness was meant for a family set in Japan, so I give it a little slack. Just a little.
I personally disagree with Erika being at spot 3. Even though she's horrible in most decks, some mill decks benefit greatly from the consistency she provides. In my experience, usually your opponent draws about 1-2 cards, which is still better than nothing. And even if they decline, you still draw three cards yourself which makes it fine in the worst case (in these niche decks). In fact, without Erika, the mill deck I do play would take a lot longer to do it's thing, and the win rate would probably have even dropped a tad. Since it's pretty good in these circumstances, I think it should outrank cards like Misty's water command, which is just bad no matter what.
Riley is basically a really bad version of Fact or Fiction from MTG
I'm not as up to date with this as I am with yugioh but i got back into it when I got the zeraora structure deck for cristmas and thought i could play my custy 2018 ex deck against it but no that zeraora deck has some of the most op draw cards I've ver seen plus a card that can always easily search out its ace, I can't comlete with that with my miscellaneous assembly of older cards. Now I'm trying to find the time to rework my custy deck so it's not as ass because for some reason teenage me gave this bitch 3 energy types when the only electric cards it had were preevos I could easily switch out for steel types.
Regarding the Imakuni? card, there is a different japanese promo card, which card text is kinda just a letter by Imakuni talking about this card:
"Hello! How is everyone doing? I started Pokémon cards recently!! Pokémon cards are extremely interesting, but there is one thing I sometimes want to say!! Da-dum That is, to say The "Imakuni? card" is useless!! Da-da-dum
Does everyone know what the Imakuni? card does? It says "When you play this card, your Active Pokémon is now Confused."!? It's your Pokémon, y-o-u-r-s! How can that be?! So, Imakuni? fans all across the country are crying. They're crying. But the Imakuni? card's in my deck. I'll use it someday!"
Imakuni is a card that has no use yet and when it does it'll get banned
Sun and Shield
If the Imakuni? card didn't exist IRL back in the day I would have assumed it was created for the Game Boy Color game to make Imakuni? easier to beat lmao