Sci-Fi Ships You've Never Heard Of | The BWS Intrepid
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2018
- I break down a ship i'm very fond of that might have escaped your attention.
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I have to say the novels that were released alongside the Wing Commander series of games really do an amazing job of expanding on the world building of the games, fleshing out aspects you never thought of until they brought it up on paper.
I highly recommend "End Run" if you can find a copy; it has one of the best long stern chase stories I've ever read in a scifi novel.
He does show him on screen a bunch of times. He also didn’t mention the “Jump to Conclusions” mat guy (from the movie Office Space) who was the engineer.
Hawe you played SpaceEnginers?????
Not only that, the novelization of Wing Commander IV explains why the Intrepid is considered a destroyer/light carrier hybrid: it carries multiple torpedo launchers, in addition to the laser turrets and fighter compliment.
Damn you beat me to it. I was going to explain that it was torpedo destroyer with a hanger bay welded on the bottom but you beat me to it. Go Wing Nut Commander!
Why is Luke frakking Skywalker chillin' with young Jules-Piere Mao. Top 10 anime crossovers.
And sergeant Zim (Starship Troopers)
@@jonnyone-truck2460 Im gonna have to watch ST again. Damnit.
Not to mention gimli from LOTR and leo from The West Wing.
Well, Biff Tannen is there too, maybe he stole the DeLorian again
and Iron Chef's Chairman, wtf is he wearing a pilot jump suit?
Spacedock needs more Wing Commander! Between ships, and lore breakdowns of battles and the like, WC is full of material!
3 surgestions for a part 2.
"Osiris" from the game "Freelancer".
"Aurora" from the game "SubNautica".
"USG Ishimura" from the game "Dead Space".
Dreadnaught from the I-War series.
Has the Tiger's Claw, Concordia, or Midway been done to stay within the Wing Commander mythos?
Wing Commander IV is one of my favourite games of all times, and the Intrepid is one of the great ships in the series. Sure, losing the TIger's Claw was heartbreaking, but man you felt every single hit the Intrepid took throughout the game, and Eisen jumping in to rescue you when all hope seems lost against the Vesuvius is a phenomenal moment.
Wow. This ongoing series is actually really interesting. I have no pun for today. It's just a cool thing that I hope Team Spacedock do more of.
Speaking of Sci-Fi Ships you`ve never heard of: would you consider doing a bit about the ships from the movie "Battle beyond the Stars"?
I love the Banshee design the most throughout the franchise also.
So underrated but such an iconic silhouette. In a strange way, it echoes the multi-prong Kilrathi designs of WC2 like the Vaktoth.
Maybe the ship designers missed having more exotic designs and decided to throw some of that into the Banshee. That, along with it being the only ship in WC4 that used ballistic weapons, made it such a great representation of the aesthetic of the Border Worlds.
Now I want a video of the Kushan Mothership from Homeworld.
*Kharak is burning*
a take on "fleet command" would be neat to.
you cant spell mothership without fleet command
*Mothership*
Cue Adagio for Strings.
One on the K'un-Laan would be cool too. Was more makeshift than the mothership so makes for an interesting ship.
We need it
Well, it was likely a "heavy destroyer" in its heyday; the wiki over at WCNews notes that the design predates the Kilrathi war, and it's arms compliment lines up more with the Exeter-class destroyers from the original Wing Commander than the later Southampton-class. It's also likely that being overhauled into a light carrier by the UBW saw some of the guns removed in the process.
Still, a fun video. The Durango-class is a favorite of mine, too.
Thank you for producing these videos. I actually played both Wing Commander III and IV when I was younger as well as read the novelizations for both. In fact, I still have the actual physical games (boxes, CD-Roms, strategy guides, etc) in a plastic tub in my garage and the novels in my book collection. One thing I will note is that the Intrepid (at least according to the Price of Freedom novelization) is called a light carrier/destroyer because the Border Worlds took two decommissioned Confed destroyers and slung the landing bay area between them. But again that's according to the novelization of the game by Forstchen and Ohlander, a novelization that does deviate significantly from the in-game background information. Anyway, excellent video as always. Look forward to the next and hopefully The Sojourn soon.
Hey I've been a WC fan since WC1!!!
I actually played this series. My second favorite space combat flight simulator, first being the Xwing vs Tie Fighter games
Wing commander 4, my favorite game of all time
Do the tiger's claw, and Concordia as well.
Poor Wing Commander Prophecy, it never gets any love. So many at the time had a hard time running it when it first came out. It was the beginning of the end for space sims. I thought they would really make a come back when Free Lancer came out, but I was wrong.
Prophecy soured me a bit because we didn't play as Chris Blair and the story felt more generic than usual (ie. Nephilim? Rookie Lance Casey?) but the gameplay was fine. It was just the story that left me wanting.
Yeah, Prophecy was excellent, but as usual EA kills all successful franchises. This is just one in a long line a nail in the coffin for another studio, bought and owned by EA.
Well, Freelancer was rather a successor to Privateer and apart from the mouse controll it was great. If you want something more like wing commander try Starlancer. But don't expect live action FMV scenes, they were too expensive for such a small studio.
The BWS Intrepid is definitely one of those capital ships I really like and it's mainly due to how it's presented in the game, like you covered in the video.
Also you should absolutely cover the ships from Nexus: The Jupiter Incident.
I absolutely love the Wing Commander franchise! Grew up on it! Always built the fighters with LEGO and played with them as a kid in late 90s.
Oi, awesome video! Wanna say thank you for using shots from my Homeworld mod (cheers to DefianceIndustries for the model itself), and if you have any special requests for Wing Commander I to IV shots or setpieces, just PM me on the CIC (handle L.I.F.) and I'll be glad to see with you what you need that couldn't be normally done through the released version of the mod. Plus, I happen to have one of the largest 3D libraries out there for Wing Commander due to said mod (including tons of stuff that hasn't been integrated in the mod such as the Caernaven station from Privateer).
Amazing job on the Homeworld mod man! You really did justice to the IP and the visuals are easily the best source for HD Wing Commander ships. Thanks so much for the kind offer, i'll be sure to get in touch if something comes up! - Daniel
Thanks! To be honest, it's really a community work. This guy, Aaron Thomas, made the original HW2 mod all by himself and I kinda inherited it from him when he went off the radar. All these models you see are made by one of the best communities I've ever seen. The WC III models are from the Wing Commander Saga mod team, who generously gifted their labour of love (seriously, play that game, it's parallel to Wing Commander III and is on the level of the main games). The Border Worlds and Black Lance ones are from DefianceIndustries (BTW, he made an improved version of the Banshee compared to the shot you used - with the cockpit having the correct edges). And then the WC I and II ships are from Klavs81, the guy who made my computer almost melt down due to the absurdly detailed models he has. The fighters you see in-game? That crazy genius had them more complex than the Hiigaran's entire mothership! The game engine just cannot support such level of detail, so these fighters... I've had to split them into half a dozen models just for the engine to not crash and burn.
I've been in various scifi communities, but the Wing Commander one is in a league of its own: without any main series game or production for a decade, it still manages to remain active, friendly and they're ready and willing to work with anyone of good will. That, lads, is something unique.
Oh? And some modellers are working on making HD versions of the Wing Commander Prophecy and Secret Ops ships. All of them, directly implemented into Secret Ops.
"The BWS Intrepid:", or, 'listen to Spacedock have a massive nerdgasm for 7 minutes.' Love your enthusiasm man, keep up the great work on the content!
Thank you again for the Wing Commander coverage, it's truly a piece of my childhood to the point I hold it closer to my heart than any other sci-fi universe. Also while not 'technically' canon iirc the WC4 novel mentions the BWS Intrepid is two Durango class destroyers that the Border Worlders sandwiched between a flight deck and made it space worthy. With the TCS Delphi's bridge and extra components becoming the new bridge. I'd imagine the bridge probably looked like the one on the Southampton class. I'll have to go reread the novel to make sure though.
I have a special place for the TCS Victory, Wing Commander 3 rocked. But I was always quite impressed with the TCS Midway of Wing Commander 5. Its logical and natural evolution mirroring our own experience and explained in game. Essentially shes the Nimitz class in space, after the end of the Kilrathi war they realised that they couldn't maintain such a large fleet of carriers and escorts so they came up with the TCS Midway, a super carrier capable of fighting an entire campaign as a lone carrier task force, and then part way through the game its upgraded with a captured alien superweapon making it able to stand as a battleship/carrier hybrid.
Actually, according to the novelisation of WC4, the Durango-class was a destroyer which has been converted to a light carrier.
And IIRC, these retro-thrusters are actually meant to be ramscoops.
Apart from that, this video is well done. :)
Yes PLEASE do videos on ships from Nexus: The Jupiter Incident, that would be awesome!
Absolutely loved WC3 and 4. Well worth a play.
Thanks for the consistent content! Your work is always very informative and interesting.
As you were talking about the braking thrusters, I was thinking about Nexus: The Jupiter Incident and it's ship designs. SECONDS after that thought, you mentioned the Stiletto! I can't wait for that video to come.
I love this series, I love how you're showing people these fantastic vessels.
Never heard of!?
I have to go and hoover my place now, because you made me take my old joystick off the top shelf to play Wing Commander again. Unbelievable how much dust came down with it.
As far as the "destroyer-carrier" designation, I always figured that it was that the UBW took a destroyer into spacedock, gutted the central hull, and built a light carrier onto the existing spaceframe. It's not that it can do both; it's that it was made from a destroyer.
I played the OG Wing Commander on PC in early 90's, and then found the book series. I picked up Prophecy shortly after it came out, and was semi-entertained by the live-action movie.
Hearing the games are on GOG means I need to go get them! Glad to see the love for Wing Commander!
WING COMMANDER!!! YES! Request for the Behemoth?
Nah, I want the Vesuvius super carrier
If I remember rightly its destroyer/carrier hybrid bit came from it being an old confederation destroyer that after being decommissioned was converted into a carrier by the border worlds. But a very good video, thanks. I'd love to see more videos on wing commander ships, it's the one great sci-fi area that nobody seems to talk about any more,
Wing Commander is one of the best sci fi series of all time, full stop. Built my first computer in the 90s just to play WC3
I love it! I've been wanting and waiting for more Wing Commander content ever since I found your channel. Such a rich sci-fi story to explore. Privateer 2 with Clive Owen was great, too. Keep up the good work!
Oh man...pleeeeeeeease more Wing Commander! I loved playing through this series and I wish I still had consuls that could still play the old games.
Daniel, this was pretty good. I enjoyed this episode and the one prior. I hope you continue to make these videos.
Love this ship and the whole Wing Commander series as well.
It's not a hybrid Destroyer / Light Carrier, it's an escort carrier they built out of a Destroyer. The Durango class was an early Kilrathi War era Destroyer that the UBW modernized and converted into an Escort Carrier. The novelization points out that it still has Torpedoes for anti-ship use, but even then they're a last resort (basically, when the Vesuvius turns on them they entertain the idea of using those in a suicide attack to try and stop the Black Lance). I had thought that the AA turret layout was going to be listed among the things you liked about the design, as it's a simple, grounded, effective approach.
I love the Intrepid and miss playing WC4. I'd like to see more Wing Commander ships on here like the Midway and her fighter compliments.
*KILRATH, AVENGE ME !!!*
Mark Hamill playing Maverick was the perfect choice back in the day. His presence in the series starting with WC3 was a great addition, and honestly all of the cast were great choices except John Rhys Davies. Don't get me wrong, he played the part well, he just was such a visual departure it was hard for me as a kid to make that connection in my head. Also, Malcolm McDowell as Tolwyn was just.....AMAZING
Wing Commander IV was my favorite in the series and the Intrepid was so iconic to me go through life for ship design.
I'm really glad you did the episode as Wing Commander (and most 90s sci fi flight sims) have so many incredible designs that have been mostly forgotten.
Actually, in the lore the Intrepid was originally a destroyer. The BWS removed her armament to make space for hangars, added a flight deck, and turned her into a light carrier. That's the only reason it's called a DD/CV "hybrid". It's a carrier built from a destroyer hull.
I miss this ship, haven't launched a flight of -Dragons- Banshees from her in many years.
Eyy, more WC! Keep it up! Still would love to see a full Spacedock on the Bengal Class Strike Carrier. Also, the Durango class was a pre-war "heavy destroyer" design that was refitted into a training carrier and later UBW light carrier. I suspect the flight deck was originally entirely reactor space, similar to the axial reactor on the later Gilgamesh class, designed to power sponson weapons that were removed. Antimatter cannons weren't readily available yet so my guess would have been large plasma cannon or laser batteries, or maybe even those giant capital-class neutron cannons we got to read about in Action Stations.
The Bengal has not even been fully released yet in SC, we need more than just teasers for that epic ship before we get a spacedock of it.
The Bengal Class Strike Carrier, Wing Commander 1, 1990, has not been released yet?
Sorry, I was thinking Bengal Class Carrier from Star Citizen.
I remember a friend of mine was lauding the dialogue choices in Mass Effect, talking about how the words you chose for dialogue trees weren't necessarily the words your character would say, though the general context was still the same. I had to tell him that Mark Hamill's character in Wing Commander was doing that long before Mass Effect was a thing.
I remember playing the game with a friend on the PlayStation, and there was this one ridiculous stretch of space that for some reason we couldn't just jump and auto progress to the destination in. I could swear it was like 10 or 15 minutes of holding down the accelerate button staring at nothing.
Speaking of Sci-fi's ships you've never heard of there is a game called project sylpheed that has this one beastly battleship type ship (I don't know if it ever got a name) that I've always loved. I kind of wish that game got more attention because it was rather good for what looked like a pretty small budget
Great Video, Dan! Bringing back good ol' memories complete and timely game releases from Roberts. Ever hear about the USMC's SA-43 Endo/Exo-Atmospheric Attack Jet from the short lived Scifi "Space, Above and Beyond"?
I admire how deeply you dig into hidden stories for these videos!
What of the TCSN Tiger's Claw (WC 1) or the original TCSN Concordia (WC 2)?
haha, as soon as you said that you only know one such example, I immediately remembered only the nexus where there were huge reverse engines) for a long time I want to go through it again. And then you say that this is a nexus!))))))
I'm waiting with baited breath for that Stiletto overview. Favourite ship in all of scifi, since I could well believe in it appearing in a hundred or two hundred years.
Oooh, I like the design. Kinda reminds me of White Base from Gundam with the way the braking thrusters sit forward, in aesthetic anyways.
Thanks for choosing a cool ship to cover that I absolutely wouldn’t have know about otherwise! Cheers!
The officer that throws a salute in the BWS Intrepid FMV scene is played by John Spencer, who would go on to play Leo McGarry in West Wing .
The novelization goes into more detail on her. Basically she was an old Destroyer converted into a Light Carrier but she retained most of her anti-ship weapons we just never saw them in the game because she never went nose to nose with another capital ship
That ship reminds me of a Orion corsair fighter interceptor from startrek shattered universe
It has missiles probably is why it is considered a destroyer, kind of like the Arleigh-Burke and Zumwalt class destroyers. They have point defense and a light deck turret for small stuff, but the missiles are their main defense and offence weapons.
Remember that destroyers are fast, lightly armored, and moderately armed ships intended to protect larger ships in fleets or flotillas by acting as forward attack platforms and protecting the rear and flanks. They are also used in packs to project forward firepower against a valuable target, such as a heavy cruiser, battleship/battlecruiser, or carrier. They are faster than other ships and much more maneuverable, using this for surprise and defense. Hit and run tactics popping just into weapons range, firing and then getting out before the enemy has a chance to respond and is dealing with hits from weapons. Missiles can also be intercepting varieties so you would be left with trying to get into range with non-missile weapons or firing your own missiles to attack it. And if you aren't in a destroyer yourself, you aren't getting any closer than missile range.
God that thing vs the Vesuvius...such a David vs Goliath moment.
When a street dog is snapping at your heels, the best way to deal with it is to turn around and kick it in the chops!
Love the Nexus The Jupiter Incident shout out. I was thinking of the Stiletto right before you said something. Such a good game.
Wing Commander 4 was my introduction to the series all those years ago, and its great to see you talking about it. (my favorite of the series as well)
Wing Commander was an awesome franchise ! It started with a good game and added lots of lil extras. the cut scenes weren't real to start but they were there and in the first game there was a simulator in the mess you could play that was as good as the game itself.
I loved WCIV, it was my favorite game of the series
Same, I loved this game.
The old Nazi, master race tropes NEVER die do they?
Fighting keeps us fit...
Real horrorshow droog! REAL horrorshow!
So glad to see Wing Commander still getting some love.
Excellent Video
I feel Wing Commander is one of those "forgotten gems" of scifi franchises. I mosly know it second hand or through a short animated series form the '90's (which Mark Hamill voice acted in). I remember the fighter designs and names stuck with me (Broadsword is a good bomber name).
*Yes. Please.* Review the Stiletto Corvette! Or even better, review the Angelwing!!
Never heard of? Do you have any idea how many times I've played through Wing Commander 4? I loved that game as a kid.
Destroyers were originally intended to be escort vessels, primarily to defend larger ships from other smaller warships. You said yourself that the laser turrets were effective in engaging those targets, so I don't think it's lack of utility in aggressive roles necessarily means it's not a destroyer. I think it'd be perfectly fine engaging smaller warships in a fleet defense role.
Thanks for doing a ship from Wing Commander I hope you do some more. I'm old enough to remember when when Commander first came out my brother and I were Beyond excited for that game. I played all of them I like all of them except for prophecy. for whatever reason I just couldn't get into it like I could the rest of them I didn't like the Dynamics of the game for whatever reason. Now Wing Commander 2, I've never played a game with Vengeance and hatred, because they blew up the Tiger's claw. I blew up every kilrathi ship and Starbase in the game and it still wasn't enough even with Special Operations 1 and 2. So you can say I was chomping at the bit for Wing Commander 3
loved this!
Love me some Jupiter Incident.
It's been over a decade, I don't recall the game play a lot, but I do remember liking it a lot. At the time I was lamenting having no real space combat games so this was nice.
@Felix B Nexus The Jupiter Incident is an excellent strategy game, with complete 3D space combat, full newtonian physics, and stellar graphics even for its age. But there is a steep learning curve. Specifically after you trade in the Stiletto for the main ship of the game. The 2 stealth missions are absolute bitches to play without a full guide, and it's recommended to play the entire game following a guide, especially since in 1 late game mission, unless you follow said guide *to the letter,* the game will crash. But I highly recommend Nexus nonetheless.
Nexus: the Jupiter Incident was the fastest a game ever "lost" me. Basically, after you go through a wormhole and the game has a 4 minute cinimatic cut scene that just... explains the answers to dozens of questions in the most boring way imaginable, I was like: "Well...there went all of my investment in this story!"
Then it drops you into a confusing and messy as fuck convoy escort mission with dozens of new, completely unexplained gameplay concepts.
And I was like, "Well, glad this game was only 9 bucks..."
"now its time for some maniac magic!!" -Maniac
"Woo! More kitty litter. I'm hot today!"
Loved the Wing Commander series. Never quite forgave EA for killing Origin.
It would sweet if we get to see Elite Dangerous/Eve/Star Citizen ships show up in a future episode(s).
The Anaconda!
Wing Commander! Wow that's a blast from the past. Love it!
God I really miss FMV cutscenes. The wing commander series was great for this. 3, 4, prophecy and privateer. So good seeing actors you know in stuff like that.
Thank you for showing us all these older ships. It's this information that makes getting involved with these games worthwhile.
If you don't mind, could you please make a short on the CEC XS Light Freighter? Oh, and also what about the older cartoon series Space Battleship Yamamoto?
Just thoughts. I realize getting info might be extremely difficult.
Again thank you for all you've done.
Loved that game, and that ship. So awesome
After the war Catscratch started his own Iron Chef show and pitted great chefs from around the galaxy in crazy cooking competitions.
Hey Daniel, love your channel! Sharp reviews with beautiful tactical analysis.
I was wondering if you might do a series on "classic" ships of sci-fi, like the Earth ship (C57-B, I think?) from Forbidden Planet, the Discovery, Gort & Klaatu's ship, etc. What do you think?
Anyway whatever you do, keep it up it's very enjoyable.
Tell us all Admiral, Is THAT the price of freedom ?
Mankind was at his zenith when fighting the Kilrathi.
Oh! That's nostalgic! I have both CD and DVD versions of that game...
I loved that little ship. Lots of fun. I also wish you'd do a Jupiter Incident ships videos.
Wing Commander 3 and 4 is such an amazing part of my childhood, what gaming concerns at least (Privateer 2: The Darkening also). Remember going after Trakath for revenge, which got another pilot killed, which further spiraled down to the point where Eisen ordered the TCS Victory on a suicide ram. As a kid I wasn't prepared for such a dark storyline, especially not the fact that it was my own fault.
That's just one of the things I loved about those games--they actually gave you choices, and consequences for those choices. And it was actually Hobbes you went after for revenge if you took that path, getting Vagabond killed in the process.
I loved playing the old Wing Commander series. I haven't fired up my old Windows 95 3DFx computer in a while (though it was working last year). May have to test it out since it still has WC 3 and 4 installed.
perhaps it’s a destroyer is the same sense as modern Japanese aircraft carrying “destroyers”
In the novelization of WC4, the ship had a bank of anti-capship torpedoes, left from it's service as a Destroyer.
Wow! Great to see Wing Commander on Spacedock! Had series 1-3 when they came out. I even liked the movie (taking it for what it was)
Been a fan of Wing Commander since the first game when I was a kid in the early 90s.
The superstructure was destroyed on the Intrepid in the novelization they talj about how the bridge had to moved to CIC after it was destroyed, it novelization also mentions how most of the staterooms were destroyed.
Spacedock! Love the content and eagerly awaiting the Sojourn. As a long time fan of sci-fi as well as people who enjoy their input towards it: it'd be interesting to see you record playing some of these games with commentary ( closer to MST3k). Still think your voice overs of various commentary would be beneficial to many people's ears.
Keep up the good work!
P.s. Kick some giant space cat ass!
I would love to see the TCS Midway. I love your videos the break downs of each ship is cool.
Never heard of? I still have that game! Always loved the Excalibur from 3.
This ship is my favorite in all of Wing Commander. It's the most badass moment when you go after the Vesuvius, a brand new supercarrier, in this rusty piece of junk.
My favorite warship from a not so popular game, R-Type Command, is the UFBS-010 Heimdall. Such a beast, and it looks amazing, tho it does have its flaws, nonetheless I love it along with that game, I still find myself on the PSP and playing that game, I love the story and gameplay.
Can't Remember the name of the Wing Commander Novel (think it comes between 4 and Prophecy) but I do recall mention of the Intrepid having a small compliment of torpedo launchers in addition to the fighter compliment...she was a destroyer that was refitted with a flight deck similar to the way some of the old Japanese Battleships in WW2 were converted to hybrid float plane carriers.
A box glued to two boxes.
Thr pinnacle of human trashcan ship design.
I think what's really great about the sci-fi actors in that is that a lot of them became big sci-fi actors *afterward*. xD
Been waiting so long for wing commander to come up on your channel you are so write in saying it's a underappreciated game I played everyone of the growing up.
Plz cover more
i remember playing wing commander 1 an 2 on my first pc, a 286 with 1 mb ram. wc2 would just fit on the 20mb (yes thats 20 megabyte) harddisk. i wish these games would get a modern remake.
I would love to see a video of the Stiletto from Nexus.
Tigersclaw is the only ship I remember from Wingcommander^^
Remember the Concordia!