This is great because people think and assume that a low kick is one dimensional tool and approach. No it isn't. I do what you teach. I use both of variations and break it down into a foundation for fighters and students to understand and see that it has a lot of versatility for fight applications.
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Thai style can be fast if you work with hips The only thing missing here is lead leg low kick. Very versatile kick some fighter use it interchangeably with jab, great way to interrupt your opponent and counter to puncher
I wish I knew this when I was training back in the early 2000s. I was confused when one gym I went to taught to keep the hands up but a different one to drop and swing your arm on kicks. One was teaching dutch style kickboxing and the other Muay Thai but both gyms had fighters competing under Muay Thai rules. Different tools but I could've used both and limited myself to what was suggested.
@@fightingformula i only have grappling experience and i'd like to know more about striking arts. I'm curios which style has better emphasis on Boxing and which style is well rounded is it the Traditional Muay thai or Dutch Kickboxing? I'm also dead curios why Dutch Kickboxing prefered Karate style kicks more than Traditional Muay Thai kicks thank you.
@@PLONG12345 you've got so many great questions here, I'll do my best to point you in the right direction. - Dutch Kickboxing has way more emphasis on boxing compared to Traditional Muay Thai. Dutch Kickboxing utilizes Western Boxing to setup low kicks as well as knees. Traditional Muay Thai places more emphasis on body kicks, elbows, and knees. Boxing does not traditionally carry the same weight in Muay Thai and therefore is not utilized as much. - In terms of being well-rounded, I would lean more towards Muay Thai. Dutch Kickboxing usually leans toward Glory or K-1 Rules which does not allow elbow techniques and only limited clinching. Muay Thai allows for more clinching and more weapons so I believe it would be a more well-rounded art. - Dutch Kickboxing actually blends a combination of Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, and Western Boxing. I would say the kicking style used by Kyokushin Karate is more similar to Muay Thai than the kicking styles of Shotokan Karate and Tae Kwon Do that formed the foundations of American Kickboxing.
@@fightingformula interesting thank you for great informations. American Kickboxing? This is the first time i heard about it. I heard of an Academy named American Kickboxing Academy but it was teaching Muay thai and boxing. I never really thought that there was an American style wow.
@@PLONG12345 It's nearly extinct now, but "American Kickboxing" started in the 1970's with legendary fighters like Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, Jeff Smith, and Joe Lewis. It became very popular with the PKA and regular events were televised nationally on ESPN. The sport was very different from Muay Thai or Dutch Kickboxing and was a merger of Boxing and Full Contact Karate. Fighters wore long pants during competition, kicks were only allowed above the waist, and no knees, elbows, or clinching was permitted. The sport is also referred to as "Full Contact Kickboxing" and it grew rapidly in Europe as the PKA fell apart in the USA.
thats defently not how I learned low kicks from dutch kickboxing, we have totaly different ones we come from above and set up our feet like ramon dekkers, either there are different dutch low kicks styles or this video is just wrong
Great video. When you watch Rico Verhoeven, you will notice he will attack the inside of the back leg with low kicks which is hard to do with the Thai style low kick.
I treat them like a jab vs a hook. In jeet kune do, we have a lead leg Dutch kick called a o'ou tek or nao tek. I use several lead Dutch kicks at a longer range to slowly dig at my opponent's ribs or guard. But I use that Thai kick to hit a lot harder, but less often.
Does the Dutch Style have sub styles as well like the Thais? Like in Muay Thai they have Muay femur, Muay Mat, Muay khao, Muay Sok, and Muay Tae. In boxing we have four main styles called Swarming, Outboxing, Slugging and Boxer-Puncher Style. I know that Dutch fighters are generally aggressive but im interested to see a slick dutch style fighter cuz i have never seen none actually althougj i believe that dutxj fighters have better footwork mobility and head movement than thais but i saw more slick muay thai fighters than dutch kickboxers like saenchai samart and lordsila. And also do the dutch style have sub styles at all?
My suggestion is don't overanalyze. You can kick anywhere you want on the leg with both techniques. The difference is just in the hip. Ideally, you'd drill both styles kicking to the lower leg and the upper leg, and with your front and rear leg. I would advise against practicing aiming for the knee though. These are street kicks or combat kicks, usually banned in competition because of the terrible injuries they cause to the knee joint. Always keep your sparring partner around for the next class =D
A Muay mat is basically a Dutch fighter. I agree with him, don’t overanalyze. When you spar or fight, you can’t always be a Muay Mat, sometimes you have to adapt and change. There is no fixed style. You give what your opponent offers you.
Do you have to be in a traditional thai stance to throw a thi kick or could you be in a Dutch stance and throw a thi kick after you let off a combination
You could throw either kick from either stance. The different types of kicks are more determined by the amount of hip rotation and arm position than from the stance they originate from. You could definitely throw a Thai kick from a Dutch stance.
@@fightingformula that would be dope for me because I'm a short stocky guy with long arms that mostly has a punching base with the exception of having a comfortability throwing power low kicks
So you throw the Dutch style low kick like an inside crescent kick, but you make contact the side of the shin? I thought the reason you turn your hip over was to hit with the top of the shin?
No, I still want to hit with the top of my shin. With the Dutch style kick, the majority of my hip rotation is in the kicking leg. In the Thai style kick, my hip rotation is in the kicking leg + the support leg. I don't recommend making contact with the side of the shin, there is way too much potential for injury that way.
@@fightingformula This is a good demonstration. Some people don't like to pivot as much as Wonderboy so that they can get their leg back into their original stance instead of switching. Also, tkd people like to do it from a front kick chamber in order to make it less telegraphed. It seems to me that it is something in between the dutch and thai kick. It is more powerful than the dutch kick, but you have less control. Vice versa for the thai kick.
Great movie and explanation. But from my experience back to 90s-2000s is first the technical aspect and second the place. if you kick at the right place you don't need a lot of power to destroy the challenger. In my time i had 58kg and were able to destroy a 95kg man with one low-kick. Let me say easier, Technic + Speed + the right place is the solution of a hard successful low kick. by the way, at this time we trained min. 2times/ week 1-2hour low kicks.
My background is tae kwon do. I'll happily throw a full hips-over round kick. Those without that tend to do more of a soccer/football-style kick. Hips are neutral and you just drive the leg like it's your game-winning shot on goal. I disagree that one is inherently faster than the other though. With proper training, hips over can be every bit as fast since you gain a lot of acceleration utilizing the hips and core. Otherwise, very interesting. I'd never heard it called the "Dutch style" kick. Wonder if that comes from Bas Rutten.
Oh no... Both styles are part of Muay Thai kicks, i.e tae tam wong nai (inner low kick) vs. tae tam wong nok (outer low kick). Little knowledge is certainly dangerous. How could you coin or claim the "Dutch-stle low kick"?
Dutch is pretty damaging. Usually, dutch fighters have better hands. Many dutch fighters compete in Muay Thai rules too so from a distance they throw more traditional Thai kicks.
I don’t agree that is how the Dutch Style is thrown. There are both Thai and Dutch trainers that do not pivot MUCH, but you didn’t pivot at all. Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman are great examples. The Dutch style has power, and you have nothing on it. Sorry to completely disagree.🙏🏻
yeah these so called dutch kicks are not the ones we learn at the gym where I train, they even discurage using such kicks. we learn to move from the side and plant your feet and have it at a angle so that you can kinda kick through a person also we dont kick from below we go high first and then come down like a axe and aim just above the knee.
Kyokushin kicks vs Thai kicks*
This is great because people think and assume that a low kick is one dimensional tool and approach. No it isn't. I do what you teach. I use both of variations and break it down into a foundation for fighters and students to understand and see that it has a lot of versatility for fight applications.
the good example for thai style vs dutch style is battle of Buakaw vs Andy Souwer
Yes it is! They are both fantastic fighters and showcase different kicking styles. Great suggestion!
Dutch style low kick is from Kyokushin Karate.
This is probably the best low kick explaination on TH-cam I've seen next to Samir Seifs
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you should watch brad riddells explanation
@@kenken-pf7ct definitely prefer this one because he puts emphasis on range and situational awareness rather than technical execution.
Thai style can be fast if you work with hips
The only thing missing here is lead leg low kick. Very versatile kick some fighter use it interchangeably with jab, great way to interrupt your opponent and counter to puncher
Fully agree. I like teep kicks to opponents front leg or body to screw their rhythm.
I wish I knew this when I was training back in the early 2000s. I was confused when one gym I went to taught to keep the hands up but a different one to drop and swing your arm on kicks. One was teaching dutch style kickboxing and the other Muay Thai but both gyms had fighters competing under Muay Thai rules. Different tools but I could've used both and limited myself to what was suggested.
This video is fckn great, super good explanation, exactly what I was looking for
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dutch style for ever
Both. Different situations
If you use the dutch style in the wrong situation you will injure your knee over time.
I like to hide my thai style kicks with combos using my hands, then they will be distracted then i will throw the kick
That's great! We agree, Boxing is one of the best ways to disguise your kicks. Keep it up!
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I really like the Dutch for light sparring when speed is required more so than power.
That's great! Yes, when you need to be fast, or when your opponent is faster than you, this is a great option!
Love Dutch style, very hard to telegraph. Great for setting up thrust kicks to get some distance
Dutch is underrated
never throw a thai kick solo, always use at least a jab to disguise it
If i'm not mistaken Dutch Kickboxing kicks are karate based right? I just don't remember which karate style it is.
Yes, a lot of Dutch Kickboxing has influences from Kyokushin Karate
@@fightingformula i only have grappling experience and i'd like to know more about striking arts. I'm curios which style has better emphasis on Boxing and which style is well rounded is it the Traditional Muay thai or Dutch Kickboxing? I'm also dead curios why Dutch Kickboxing prefered Karate style kicks more than Traditional Muay Thai kicks thank you.
@@PLONG12345 you've got so many great questions here, I'll do my best to point you in the right direction.
- Dutch Kickboxing has way more emphasis on boxing compared to Traditional Muay Thai. Dutch Kickboxing utilizes Western Boxing to setup low kicks as well as knees. Traditional Muay Thai places more emphasis on body kicks, elbows, and knees. Boxing does not traditionally carry the same weight in Muay Thai and therefore is not utilized as much.
- In terms of being well-rounded, I would lean more towards Muay Thai. Dutch Kickboxing usually leans toward Glory or K-1 Rules which does not allow elbow techniques and only limited clinching. Muay Thai allows for more clinching and more weapons so I believe it would be a more well-rounded art.
- Dutch Kickboxing actually blends a combination of Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, and Western Boxing. I would say the kicking style used by Kyokushin Karate is more similar to Muay Thai than the kicking styles of Shotokan Karate and Tae Kwon Do that formed the foundations of American Kickboxing.
@@fightingformula interesting thank you for great informations. American Kickboxing? This is the first time i heard about it. I heard of an Academy named American Kickboxing Academy but it was teaching Muay thai and boxing. I never really thought that there was an American style wow.
@@PLONG12345 It's nearly extinct now, but "American Kickboxing" started in the 1970's with legendary fighters like Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, Jeff Smith, and Joe Lewis. It became very popular with the PKA and regular events were televised nationally on ESPN. The sport was very different from Muay Thai or Dutch Kickboxing and was a merger of Boxing and Full Contact Karate. Fighters wore long pants during competition, kicks were only allowed above the waist, and no knees, elbows, or clinching was permitted. The sport is also referred to as "Full Contact Kickboxing" and it grew rapidly in Europe as the PKA fell apart in the USA.
I’ve heard the Dutch style chops down on the target, Thai style chops up
Awesome video. Explained everything so well. I miss training at the cellar!!!
thats defently not how I learned low kicks from dutch kickboxing, we have totaly different ones we come from above and set up our feet like ramon dekkers, either there are different dutch low kicks styles or this video is just wrong
Great video. When you watch Rico Verhoeven, you will notice he will attack the inside of the back leg with low kicks which is hard to do with the Thai style low kick.
I treat them like a jab vs a hook. In jeet kune do, we have a lead leg Dutch kick called a o'ou tek or nao tek. I use several lead Dutch kicks at a longer range to slowly dig at my opponent's ribs or guard. But I use that Thai kick to hit a lot harder, but less often.
Best explanation and visuals between styles.
Thank you so much Chance! I'm glad to hear it was helpful!
Does the Dutch Style have sub styles as well like the Thais?
Like in Muay Thai they have Muay femur, Muay Mat, Muay khao, Muay Sok, and Muay Tae. In boxing we have four main styles called Swarming, Outboxing, Slugging and Boxer-Puncher Style.
I know that Dutch fighters are generally aggressive but im interested to see a slick dutch style fighter cuz i have never seen none actually althougj i believe that dutxj fighters have better footwork mobility and head movement than thais but i saw more slick muay thai fighters than dutch kickboxers like saenchai samart and lordsila.
And also do the dutch style have sub styles at all?
My suggestion is don't overanalyze. You can kick anywhere you want on the leg with both techniques. The difference is just in the hip. Ideally, you'd drill both styles kicking to the lower leg and the upper leg, and with your front and rear leg. I would advise against practicing aiming for the knee though. These are street kicks or combat kicks, usually banned in competition because of the terrible injuries they cause to the knee joint. Always keep your sparring partner around for the next class =D
A Muay mat is basically a Dutch fighter. I agree with him, don’t overanalyze. When you spar or fight, you can’t always be a Muay Mat, sometimes you have to adapt and change. There is no fixed style. You give what your opponent offers you.
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Do you have to be in a traditional thai stance to throw a thi kick or could you be in a Dutch stance and throw a thi kick after you let off a combination
You could throw either kick from either stance. The different types of kicks are more determined by the amount of hip rotation and arm position than from the stance they originate from. You could definitely throw a Thai kick from a Dutch stance.
@@fightingformula that would be dope for me because I'm a short stocky guy with long arms that mostly has a punching base with the exception of having a comfortability throwing power low kicks
When they got close, Thai boxing don’t use low kick, Thai boxing use knee elbow or punch instead because it’s stronger impact.
Very interesting perspective.
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So you throw the Dutch style low kick like an inside crescent kick, but you make contact the side of the shin? I thought the reason you turn your hip over was to hit with the top of the shin?
No, I still want to hit with the top of my shin. With the Dutch style kick, the majority of my hip rotation is in the kicking leg. In the Thai style kick, my hip rotation is in the kicking leg + the support leg. I don't recommend making contact with the side of the shin, there is way too much potential for injury that way.
@@fightingformula Thanks for the quick response 🙏
What do you think about the tkd/shotokan roundhouse kick?
Can you share a video of the tkd/shotokan kick you're thinking of? I want to be sure we are talking about the same thing.
@@fightingformula This is a good demonstration. Some people don't like to pivot as much as Wonderboy so that they can get their leg back into their original stance instead of switching. Also, tkd people like to do it from a front kick chamber in order to make it less telegraphed.
It seems to me that it is something in between the dutch and thai kick. It is more powerful than the dutch kick, but you have less control. Vice versa for the thai kick.
Great video. Very accurate and professional!
Thank you so much!
Great movie and explanation. But from my experience back to 90s-2000s is first the technical aspect and second the place. if you kick at the right place you don't need a lot of power to destroy the challenger. In my time i had 58kg and were able to destroy a 95kg man with one low-kick. Let me say easier, Technic + Speed + the right place is the solution of a hard successful low kick. by the way, at this time we trained min. 2times/ week 1-2hour low kicks.
It’s NOT about what works, it’s about what looks cooler. Thai kick foe life 😎
I've trained in multiple gyms in the netherlands and in thailand over the years, and I have never seen someone throw this 'dutch' lowkick.
Too much bla bla
My background is tae kwon do. I'll happily throw a full hips-over round kick. Those without that tend to do more of a soccer/football-style kick. Hips are neutral and you just drive the leg like it's your game-winning shot on goal. I disagree that one is inherently faster than the other though. With proper training, hips over can be every bit as fast since you gain a lot of acceleration utilizing the hips and core. Otherwise, very interesting. I'd never heard it called the "Dutch style" kick. Wonder if that comes from Bas Rutten.
Oh no... Both styles are part of Muay Thai kicks, i.e tae tam wong nai (inner low kick) vs. tae tam wong nok (outer low kick). Little knowledge is certainly dangerous. How could you coin or claim the "Dutch-stle low kick"?
dutch style makes sense for points, but muay thai makes sense for damage
Dutch is pretty damaging. Usually, dutch fighters have better hands. Many dutch fighters compete in Muay Thai rules too so from a distance they throw more traditional Thai kicks.
Points? Wt t'hell are you talking about... Dutch kickboxing is no shotokan karate or taekwondo 🙄
@@danone987 maybe youre just retarded so ill let it slide buddy
@@colemabro No. But you are, definitely! 🤣
"makes sense for points" LOL
I don’t agree that is how the Dutch Style is thrown.
There are both Thai and Dutch trainers that do not pivot MUCH, but you didn’t pivot at all.
Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman are great examples.
The Dutch style has power, and you have nothing on it.
Sorry to completely disagree.🙏🏻
yeah these so called dutch kicks are not the ones we learn at the gym where I train, they even discurage using such kicks. we learn to move from the side and plant your feet and have it at a angle so that you can kinda kick through a person also we dont kick from below we go high first and then come down like a axe and aim just above the knee.
Muay thai kick more power
Dutch kick more speed
Personally I feel this way about my own kicks, but keep an open mind. There are many who will tell you their Dutch-style kick is stronger.