Shane Dawson's Book Gets Worse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- Today we're continuing to review Shane's first book, I Hate Myselfie, and in this video we see the best and absolute WORST part of the book so far.
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This really shows that Shane's always had this tendency to act like an asshole and never acknowledge that he did anything wrong. He thinks that because he's fat, unpopular and had a childhood trauma, that he's never the bad guy. Not when he's insulting people's appearances. Not even when he's catfishing someone in order to humiliate them.
He's like the worst example of how to deal with trauma: becoming an asshole and using your trauma as an excuse for your shitty behavior.
Truly awful.
He's a disgusting person.
and that’s how bullies become bullies! he hates bullies but doesn’t realize he’s become exactly what he hates.
@@slasherxoxo so much of his personality his self hatred it kind of makes sense that he became a bully
@@slasherxoxo he really needs a good look in the mirror
I can't believe your last video was age restricted!!! Ironic how TH-cam will age restrict you for calling out a content creator who should be age restricted, yet they promote him.
I got a heart 🥰
It's SO frustrating because honestly, I think kids need to be educated about these things
@@RachelOates 100%. I'm 17 now, but I used to enjoy Shane's content when I was 12-15 and I wish someone had warned me about all his problematic content back then.
If only this could be pinned for the TH-cam admins to read :)
@@zacharyshort384 There should be a way to flag things as "Oi! TH-cam! READ this!" rather than as bad.
I love how you approach Shane’s stuff with genuine sensitivity and curiosity and you don’t just use his name for clicks. it’s always interesting seeing how unique your content is!
One CP joke would be in bad taste.
A second CP joke would be tasteless.
Pages of CP jokes is simply and inexcusably disgusting!
Right!!! Even with his youtube popularity at its peak idk how anyone could let this get published
A novel of CP jokes is evidence
I’m not really certain on what CP stands for is it like child ...
@@KELZAGHAMEEM yeah it is....
@@adri8472 wow...
Shane has the opposite of a “fat fetish”, he makes fun of fat people (including his former fat self) all the time. All the comments he made to Drew show how Shane really feels about fat people.
What comments did he make about drew? :0 omg I love drew so much. I still watch him
He complained about being fat-shamed in the past and I think he said he used to have an eating disorder (?) So it's safe to say he is a massive hypocrite.
That word is basically fatphobic
So, society is indeed fatphobic. But some formerly fat people think that having been fat once gives them a free pass to degrade and dehumanize other fat people
By that word, I meant the opposite of a fat fetish btw :)
Shane Dawson is a tragedy I cant stop watching
Yeap
I highly suggest you stop watching, there are better tragedies
A tragedy? He isn't a tragedy. A tragedy is someone who goes through things they can't control or help...someone you want to feel bad for. Shane is just a spoiled shit.
@@juicyjesstv Shane as a brand is what's tragic to me. A huge channel built on racism, harshness, child abuse jokes and more despicable things. I don't pity him for much. I pity anyone he hurt. But my comment wasn't meant to be that deep anyway
It's like a car crash, can't take your eyes away from it
As someone who had to get surgery for lazy eye, there’s no joke in insulting the poor girl for something she is likely already questioned about a lot and it’s not fun. It’s having eyes that aren’t ok to one degree or another. I’d be over the moon if that was the most disturbing thing in the book though.
its funny because his second book is “It Gets Worse”
I'll bet it does lol
at least he's self aware?
foreshadowing
truly a tragic comedy move right there
He has a second book?
That cinches it, I'm getting my eyes and ears removed next week. Thanks Shane.
Shane is like yes im bi and yes im homophobic. We exist
Self hatred at its finest.
@@videofan1010 It's not self hatred. Being bisexual and being gay are different things. They are different experiences. They face different opression. A bisexual man in a heteropatriarchy lives a very different life to a man who is exclusivly same sex attracted and they have privlige & power over those men. He is homophobic to gay men. It's not self hatred, it's just bigotry
@@Moo-fb2kb while i get what you're saying, there are also a lot of shared experiences between gay and bi people. not saying bi people can't be homophobic and gay people can't be biphobic because they absolutely can but there are definitely overlaps in our experiences as well as differences.
@@Moo-fb2kb also claiming bi men have power and privilege over gay men is a fairly bold statement. you said yourself that they face different forms of oppression and you're right. there are even differences between the kind of stuff bi men and bi women go through. pitting us against each other in the oppression olympics is unnecessary at best and dangerous at worst.
@@Moo-fb2kb shane is also incredibly fatphobic and judgemental towards people with mental health issues and who came from abusive homes, all of which are things he has struggles with, so it could very well be deep-rooted insecurity as well. Some of the things he said are just straight up homophobic stereotypes, but some of it also seems to me like he’s insecure about his sexuality and projecting it onto others.
oh my god, he writes like Onision.
I think Shane is a more talented writer than Onision (not by much) but Shane’s entire book is fiction with a bit of real life experience just like Greg’s.
@facts I believe so.
Someone called him Onion lite 😂
Everyone: *Talking about how bad the book is*
Me: Magneto didn't run the Xman school. That was Professor X.
That bothered me so much! Like, they're called the *X* Men! There are 85 movies about it, you don't even have to read the comics!
@@linasayshush if Magento would run the school would it be the M-Men?
@@deanmiller6463 that’s house of M, House of Magnus where his daughter creates an illusion world where he’s king
THANK YOU THAT WAS ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT
@@linasayshush Shane has always had that energy of someone trying really hard to be cool, but failing because he doesn’t understand how normal people act
This book was written by an empath, people.
Also my god these conversations could not sound any more fake. I didn’t realise Shane had only ever met characters from his own skits
I'm glad someone said this! So far in this book, I haven't heard one conversation where I thought it sounded like it actually happened.
I get that he was popular at the time but how in the world was this stuff greenlighted by his publisher? Absolutely disgusting that they wouldn't censor any of this, especially given his audience and demographic.
Unless he published it himself? Or maybe his publisher is simply as sick as him
This book should have been called "Conversations I Imagined With People"
If this book was a reality TV show, it would be *heavily* scripted.
Exactly! This entire book is made up!
But that's *my* biography!
he needs therapy, and if he's in therapy he needs more of it
His therapist made need a therapist afterwards. Vicious cycle.
What if Kati is his therapist...
He needs better therapy.
@@squidstortellini7131 💀💀
@@squidstortellini7131 oh no...
The repetition of sexual jokes about minors in Shane’s book is seriously worrisome. I know that he wrote this intended for an older audience, but there are ways to make mature jokes that do not involve children.
Just that it's not intended for an older audience, I think his audience is quite young.
It makes me wonder if that offhand joke about his grandma kissing him was just another tasteless r*pe joke or an origin story
There are ways to make immature jokes that do not involve children. Fart jokes can be funny. Shane just does not grasp what comedy actually is.
He got in trouble because he was talking to minors... and was making "sex jokes" which involved them...
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“explains it, doesn’t excuse it” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 thats the motto right there! great video
it's like that Brooklyn 99 quote, "Cool motive, still murder."
The thing with P*d*Phil’s is that they have very sad reasons for what they do. I hear stories of people who lock themselves in their homes because they are afraid of hurting children. I can’t help but feel bad and want to give them all the therapy they need to be better. Though this sympathy obviously ends when they actually hurt a child. It is a sad world that we live in and I think that they need help, not death threats.
I can't imagine trying to get a sense of Denny's if you're not an American. It IS an American restaurant chain, but you don't intentionally go to Denny's. You end up there.
Usually after a night of VERY questionable decisions.
Denny’s isn’t just a chain restaurant, it’s an emotion that I can’t quite put into words
I like how this is the thing you have issue with lmao
Denny's is a liminal space. Like waffle house has a vibe, culture even - the end of a party or where shit goes down. Denny's though.....it's after 23 hours on the road to your next gig. It's waiting for a phone call to hear your loved one died. It's where you sit after your house burned down.
Wow, I had no idea Denny's had such strong cultural associations lol, and I'm American (but there weren't really Denny's restaurants in my area). 😂 But it does give the VeggieTales cheeseburger song a while new depth. 🤔
Ahhh, blatant ableism. You can't be an early 2010's edgelord without blatant ableism.
Was it really like that back then?
@@randywhite3947 it was and it was horrible
@@randywhite3947 It was so thick with ableism they scooped it up like gel to style their frosted tips.
What’s ableism??
@@vakarebaranauskaite6691Discrimination/prejudice against disabled people
You know what’s kind of interesting? I remember listening to Shane’s podcast several years ago and Shane said on that podcast that he had reached out to audible to see if they would sponsor him since he actually had an audiobook on their platform and they declined because he was too raunchy. And that really says some thing because audible sponsors literally every single TH-camr.
I first started to watch Shane when he was making stupid blender videos, and I remember when he finally got a sponsor (best fiends) I was like haha, yaaay. I didn't realize he wasn't getting sponsored because of his abhorrent recent past. I thought he was just the stupid-blender-self-deprecating-joke guy that brands didn't care about. Ignorance is bliss? Man I didn't even watch those pop-tart blender vids; I listened while I crammed university work - yet I'm still mad I ever liked him 😤
no but i also remember he did that series of toy r us and he was going to get sponsored by jojo siwa and he was excited but than they canceled on him at the end and he excused it with his “weird content” but i think they actually saw his old content
And yet, Audible has his books on their platform.
I don't think Shane Dawson will ever produce reading material that genuinely and appropriately explores his own psyche, however intriguing his layers might be. I would read a professional interview with him from an accomplished psychologist or author.
Shane has so much internalized fat phobia within him it’s insane. Although he’s gone on about his body dysmorphia and personal issues that does not excuse the fatphobic comments he’s said at all. Same with all the other problematic stuff he’s said and done. It doesn’t matter if he’s self deprecating or has mental issues, there are people who are going to take all those vile insults and descriptions he “jokes” about to heart.
Shane’s whole book is a thread on r/that happened
I think we all know the reason that these chapters don’t end with the morals you’re saying they should end with is that Shane hasn’t learned those lessons yet
As someone who has gone through trichtillomania, hearing him use it as a joke to gross people out just really hit hard for me. Like, all of his jokes are disturbing, but that one just got to me.
Ikr? It hurt me too
What part of the video talks about trichotillomania? Thanks
@@LolaPopente at 13:00 - 13:10
Same, honestly! Especially with something like trich, it can already feel so shameful. I can't imagine how stressed she must have been. Shane was certainly not an empath in that moment lol
"she had a lazy eye and a skin disease that made her look like a reptilian." Wow Shane-The-Empath-Dawson, very empath of you. Ngl as someone who suffers with flare ups of eczema that, when really bad, can cover the entire top half of my body, really hurts to know THATS how he treats people with this kind of thing. he really shows his empath side and feels the shame and physical/mental pain we go through
I sincerely hope that CP is unconfortable for *most people, not just some.....
I wish it was uncomfortable for everyone.
Lol, I think she meant that if you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT sit through mentions of it, you shouldn't sit through the video, not that it doesn't make people uncomfortable.
What is CP?
This reads like Shane ranted into a voice recorder for 2 hours and typed out exactly what was recorded
With no double takes, no edits. Just an endless stream of angry consciousness.
Kudos to you for getting through this book and having the nerves to analyse it. Every line includes a rude, inappropriate joke and it's honestly insane to me that the book got published
I'm surprised it's still being sold in stores, though I probably shouldn't. They'll sell anything if it makes enough money, no matter how vile it is.
That Hollywood scammer dialogue is so r/thathappened, and there's no way they knew it was a scam before paying for it, no one maxes out credit cards thinking they're getting nothing worthwhile in return
I just hope he recovers from his trauma outside the internet he honestly really needs too
Him as well as his underage fans that he has kissed, encouraged se*ual behavior and acts from, and just in general been inappropriate around. And the fact that he STILL doesn’t see issue with it is concerning. He’s around people that enable his toxic behavior, which just makes me think he’ll never get the help he clearly needs.
Yikes. Just figured out what CP means. Early comment to counteract the algorithm.
Indeed. The Internet is for cat porn.
@@zacharyshort384 thinking of Avenue Q now
@@zacharyshort384 That's something Shane's interested in too apparently
Still better than 'Ræper's Creek'...
Actually, you can decide which is worse!
I don’t think anything containing the abbreviation “CP” could be positive; Cat Porn, Chinese Communist Party, Catholic Priests, Chris Prown....
Edit: F in the chat for Christopher Plummer
“Don’t we all photoshop our photos?” No, Shane, we don’t! I’m with you, Rachel.
I wanna be as honest with myself as I can. I mean, having a person edit my future wedding photos or images of another event with similar levels of importance, yes... but I want them to look like me. Global color correction is also valid! Would specifically be sure no one makes me thinner or my face narrower or whatever. It’s not about appeasing some ideal but about celebrating you on a special day that’s important. I’ll pose for selfies and choose the one that looks cute but that’s about it.
there are always these strange conversations in TH-camrs books that simply aren't real, it's became a "pet peeve" of mine, i hate reading them fhskjfk
Ikr, these conversations NEVER happened to him in real life.
I think the worse one is the “Disney Audition” and the asking for CP... him acting so superior is bull. Him being a creep and then his “I’m better than anyone”. I doubt he ever even did half of this.
Well he didn’t name his second book “It gets worse” for nothing 😅
Is Shane Dawson the anti-Billy Mays?
I have that book. I bought it before I knew about all the bad stuff he did. I should burn it.
This is so creepy, I feel like he can't accept the fact that he's thirty-something and still feels like he's in high school.
Rachel, talking about childish jokes.
Kyra: **burps into the mic** Like this?
I'll watch Kyra over Shane Dawson any day!
I don’t wanna sound naive or stupid, but how exactly does a person who has never gotten an a**rtion know what it smells like?? I don’t get it
I don't think abortion has a smell.... other than what you'd get with any medical procedure. He was just being an asshole about it.
He was bullied and he now feels the need to be the bully himself, I do understand that, I was in the same place, but I grew up and understood how wrong it was, it’s a cycle...
Denny’s is a chain of diners in the US. It’s sort of difficult to describe the place of Denny’s in our culture. Denny’s is sometimes used as cultural shorthand to impart a sense of low-classness and failure. They are known for being open 24/7 with low prices and mid to low quality food. (Though I must say that the pancakes I had at the Denny’s in South Bend, Indiana were off the hook.) As someone I saw on TV said, no one “goes out” to Denny’s on purpose. It’s more like a place you “end up” at.
Omg i think ive been to that Denny's 😳 small world
@@bambooisgr8 😻😻😻
Funny how youtube demotize you talking about sex in a completely normal way, yet they enabled and made money off Shane's inappropriate jokes about sex, minors, disabilities, race etc. etc. for literal years
and allow people to make sexual assault pranks-
TH-cam! One big hypocrite.
This is far from the most egregious thing about this book, but so much of this book reads like an imaginary conversation 13-year-old me would have thought were Super Quirky. Like, is anyone supposed to actually believe that these were words that adults said?
that’s my biggest wonder. i can’t believe any actual humans acting this way or saying the crap that shane’s written. i think it’s all some dramatized and warped perception of shane’s reality.
The way the grandmother chapter ends with his sending his family out so he can give her permission to die because he “knows what to do” was so disingenuous and narcissistic. The lack of sincerity throughout the book is palpable. I remember preordering it after so many TH-camrs pushed it, and then halfway through the first chapter realizing I’d fallen for marketing bullshit by buying a book by someone that I didn’t know beyond knowing I didn’t like their videos. 🤦🏽♂️
It's weirdly comforting to watch content like this dissecting Shane's content after feeling gross for growing up watching him.
Agreed
My grandma passed away towards the beginning of all of this. She had ALS so we knew it was going to happen eventually but we weren't exactly expecting her to go from a massive heart attack. It was rough. Then both my paternal grandparents passed away within a month of each other. That was even worse because my mom had time to grieve her father passing away, my dad lost both parents at once. I have told my sister to put me in a hospital if anything happens to our parents. It's just awful.
Thank you for reviewing this book and pointing out how problematic it is, and I'm sorry you're videos are getting suppressed. You put out great and informative content, it shouldn't be hidden!
God, I'm so glad there's someone else in my age range that didn't have enough friends to have myspace. It's strange to relate so much to someone as smart as Rachel. Maybe there is hope after all.
A quick subject change because we need it. What product do you use for that stunning purple?
Knight and Wilson dyes in Mystic Purple and Magenta Dream :)
Thank you for asking
@@RachelOates thank you for answering
It’s so messed up that your last video was restricted, when it’s criticising a gross, inappropriate, offensive book. It’s THE BOOK that should be restricted-
I read this book when I was in 8th grade, so I couldn't have been older than like 12. I dont remember much of it but I remember not having a problem with it and finding a lot of it funny. I also used to have a "dark" sense of humor (racist, sexists, antisemitic, etc.). And being a leftist who exists within many of those intersections I am super ashamed of who I used to be and happy I'm no longer that person. The book itself wasn't memorable but no doubt this book and his content played a huge role in my development and how I interacted with others 😬
Its ok, a lot ot us were guilty of being ok with this stupid edgy bullshit when we were younger. But we learned from our mistakes, and know better now. That's all that matters. Learning from our mistakes, its all we can do. 🥰
I find it odd that Shane didn't seem to select what to topics to discuss in the book with any sort of intentionality. Each "essay" seems really random and the book lacks (at least so far) any kind of unifying theme or message. Even in a novel, the author intentionally selects scenes to include to weave the story together from individual moments. Shane just seems to talk about the first few things he could think of from his past
I’m just gunna say it, I’m affended with how he portrayed thrichotillomania and trichophagia...🤷🏻♀️
I'm not to knowledgeable on these conditions but aren't they related to anxiety, depression and ocd?
@@quintecence yes, they are body focused repetitive disorders that can be classified under ocd and are affected by anxiety and depression
shane is awful and i don't understand how so many of us excused his behaviour growing up.
I think the end of your sentence is the answer. You were kids, kids who were still learning right from wrong, and who were more forgiving of such erronous grievances. Shane was an adult in a position of fame and power, I imagine it'd be hard not to brush off some of his wrongdoings
It's really frightening how shane could have easily gotten a ghost writer to write a cheesy youtuber book, but rather he chose to write *these* stories for *that* audience knowing full well what he was doing
When you've read a lot of really bad fiction (and as a middle school teacher, I sadly have), you become able to distinguish the way people write when they are making it up as they go. Basically, Shane Dawson writes like a 13 year old girl making fanfiction.
My immortal is more realistic
CP!?!?! How is this even legal?
for the same reason that artists can write songs about murdering someone, you cannot assume its true and it doesnt count as a confession under the law. Otherwise no one would be able to write about anything illegal ie. stealing or other lesser crimes
How did it take this long for Shane Dawson to get cancelled? How did he bamboozle everyone for so long? This is so disgusting and not even remotely funny.
I am the same age as Shane and never at all would have thought about catfishing my classmates. I, disliked high school, so I just put my head down and got through it. I did think alot about graduating early. But never, ever thought of the shit Shane thought about. He has something wrong with him
Right. I think even the most bullied kids would've realized they shouldn't do what he wanted to do.
@@katelynbrown98 his reaction was very extreme, in my opinion.
I want someone to look at me like Rachel's dog looks at her...
Read this when I was around 15. Massive Shane fan at the time (11 to about 16 years old). Honestly I don't remember much about what I thought of it, I just remember it feeling like I was reading the script for one of his videos. I rember knowing it was a shitty book but liking it because it was Shane. It all seems so strange now that I think about it. I was one of those people who grew up watching him and sometimes I wonder how much it affected the way I thought about things. It worries me quite a bit ngl. I know for sure that he has made me think and talk more openly about sex (idk how appropriate it was at that age) and I remeber always hiding my laptop when my parents walked by when I was watching him bc of the very sexual video titles and other disturbing stuff. Anyway, I loved hearing your takes in this video and in the previous one, especially the stuff about his christian upbringing affecting his overly sexual behavior towards children, I can totally see that. Another thing I liked is how you adressed his weird obsession with insulting people's looks. He did it a bunch in his videos at the time and I'm sure it affected my (pre)teen brain to some extent. Not good when going through puberty imma tell you that.
Let's be honest, none of those conversations really happened.
I feel like the repression and how he makes these jokes, assuming he’s not just actually into CP, is Bc sexually he sees children and teens as his peers? Because idk high schoolers make jokes like this amongst each other all time, but he doesn’t seem to understand that’s not okay to talk to or about teenagers like that at age 30.
But just as well, that’s kinda way his teenage audience never saw anything wrong w this. Because they make sex jokes about themselves and their peers w their peers. I remember being like 11 and seeing his videos w sex jokes surrounding children but the joke to me was “oooh he said p*nis” and I missed that the joke was p*dophilia
It's tough because obviously there's not too much concrete evidence but he has said himself that when he was younger he did weird stuff to kids in his neighborhood, he has admitted on his podcast to searching child p*rn, he joked about j*cking off to Willow Smith when she was a child, AND he used to have all of these forums and live streams he would do. I just really feel like the probability of him grooming underage people is very high. He had access to them in ways that people weren't ready for and normalized highly inappropriate behavior, all the while fully acknowledging that his fans were mostly kids. & when I sit back and think I don't think me or anyone I know has made any p*dophilia jokes in the sheer quantity that he has if at all, it's very easy to do "dark comedy" and live life without joking like he does and my gut really tells me it's a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation unfortunately.
This is a very good point. It shows that Shane’s alleged abuse has damaged the way he relates to others in a sexual context. He doesn’t understand that there is an age/power dynamic that exists between him and a teenager. Teens joke with teens about teens, teens joke with teens about adults, but adults should never joke with teens or about teens sexually. Adults can joke with adults about *teenhood* since the hormones and spike in libido is something everyone (except asexuals) has experienced. I would say the only exception is in the world of fandom where teens and adults discuss the sex lives of their favorite characters. Which people often do.
Listening to you rip apart bad writing is so helpful as a writer. You provide such detailed, careful analysis while showing a deep sense of empathy to the authors even if they’re horrible like this, and as a neurodiverse person, it makes it easier to see between the black and white patterns that tend to form in my head and understand people better.
His humor was never my thing as a kid and damn is my childhood opinion of him ramped up to eleven hearing about all the shit he wrote in this book… genuinely disgusting 🤢
Is it just me or is the dialogue in the book written like fan fiction?
Hey! Don't diss on fanfic like that smh my head >:(((
Has the first video been age restricted or is that just a me thing cause I had to verify my age to watch the last one?
Yeah it has.
Yep :|
The signs were always thereeeeeee. I remember being so surprised when he like ‘changed’ his image and everyone had seemingly forgot or didn’t know about his humour and behaviour from the past. Suddenly he was this empath Oprah of TH-cam and I was like... aye? This book offers so much insight. And he can’t go delete it lol like his offensive videos. I watched him since I was around 12 or idk 11 not entirely sure until I was 15 or so. And I believe his content was extremely damaging and normalised a lot of really disturbing things for me.
This book is weird. Idk. Wtf.
The problem with edgy jokes is they’re not funny. If they actually made me laugh or they were smart, it’d be fine as it’s comedy, but these are just dead jokes.
Joji’s jokes were funny, but I think it was more the delivery and absurdity of his characters (Salamander Man is still my favorite). George Carlin’s jokes often touched on genocide and mass murder and rape but it was dark humor relating to how despicable the human race is.
@@talynhastime9343 Yh I completely agree! Filthy Frank was funny because he was a character and didn’t mean any of it, and I still rewatch his vids.
I can't believe my friends parents allowed her to read this book in middle school, christ.
I’m sure they didn’t know what it was about.
i cant with him!!! the fatphobia the pedophilia the genuinely disgusting content!!!! there is no excuse for marketing off of people’s trauma!!!!! i’m so glad you’re talking about this . thank you so much rachel!!
Thank you for the timestamps 🖤 as someone who is traumatised from cp I appreciate the trigger warning and time stamp
Dang. I’ve never not known someone and still 100% sure they need extensive therapy.
I like how Mama Oates calls them “kids”, cos they are. I feel like society kind of forgets sometimes that teenagers are literally giant children (no offense teenagers I promise) and that’s why shit can get swept under the rug. By being reminded that they are, literally and figuratively, children hammers home how wrong this book is and by extension how fucked up Shane Dawson is.
Lol being called a giant child is hilarious idk why 😭
I can’t put into words how much I love Kyra 🥺 actually crying at how cute she is when she looks adoringly at you 😍😭🙈
pup burped into the microphone because she knew you were talking about Shane Dawson and she knew that’s the weird gross immature humor he has.
"I would never again pretend to be someone I'm not."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I just love the sheer adoration that Kyra has on her face when she looks at Rachel. It's just adorable and made an otherwise pretty difficult video to watch (because of Shane, not anything else) seem less unbearably bleak
Girl, I ADORE you and I couldn't finish the first part because the book was SO bad and you already made another one? You're kinda toying with your sanity rn
There’s no way any of the stuff he wrote about actually happened which means he made it up (or at the very least exaggerated it) as a grown adult which makes it even more disturbing
Shane sounds sometimes with his philosophy very similiar to my mom who blamed my traumatic childhood on me because I wasn't transparent enough with my suffering (not getting money for food or anything really, my father being abusive etc)
I think Rachel should get some new merch that says “A hell of a lot” on it! Anyone else that would love that?
I actually started this book a few years ago, but I don't remember getting any farther than the high school musical chapter, and really that is the only thing I remember reading of it. I'm so glad I never got any farther because I feel icky just knowing about them through this video.I appreciate your literary analysis of these stories, I find such value in that. I used to have his other book but I decided that I was never gonna read it... so I burned it because I thought it was a fun idea. On the bright side, that was a fun activity for my brother and me to do together!
Normally I would advise against book burning. Books were my best friend as a kid. But yeah, for this book, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There is nothing like a toxic youtuber book burning to bring family and siblings together!
I'm only 9 minutes in and I generally agree with your thoughts and opinions, but I do think it is important to remember that it was another child doing something to another child. I think we need to give a little more grace to teenagers who do stupid shit. Especially ones that are bullied. I think he was trying to write, to the best of his ability, stories that teenagers would relate to. During my teenager years I definitely would have related to this story. Especially the emotions that he portrays rather well.
I should put a disclaimer that I'm the opposite of a Shane Dawson supporter. I think I just have a lot of empathy for teenagers whose mistakes come back to haunt them, because I can see how easily it could have been me. I did a LOT of dumb shit on the internet with no thought of the repercussions. I've grown into a more aware adult and I'm grateful those choices don't follow me around like a shadow.
I also acknowledge that if someone's teenage mistakes do pop up you can learn a lot about how they handle and apologize for it, and I don't believe Shane has done that adequately.
I am really hesitant to jump on board with any opinion that shames children for bad decisions.
The actual action of writing it in a book and continuing to make fun of the other child is... debatable. On one hand that vulgar thought process/language could be really relatable to a vindictive teen. The conclusion of Shane seeing his humanity and destroying the photo could potentially influence the mind of someone in that demographic to be kinder. The humorous conclusion diffuses the tension. On the other hand, I think you made the point for why it's disturbing quite eloquently.
I don't know if I agree with it or not. I can see the benefit of how it was written to reach a younger audience.
**Please don't come for me. This is just my opinion and I'm willing to engage with anyone else's opinion as long as it isn't an argument based on insults.
It's a sensitive and delicate matter attempting to balance being sympathetic towards a persons' harmful behavior and hitting them with what's more often than not a justified and potentially helpful albeit painful condemnation. A troubled past is indeed a call for compassion, but I don't think it negates what I've said. It's up to Us (a collection of individuals) to determine how much or how little should be handed out. My only concern here is the notion that adopting this more sympathetic leaning may cascade, culturally, into a slippery slope where it goes too far in one direction and he essentially experiences little to no repercussion - which I think ultimately is a loss for Shane as well because he would miss out on educating himself and becoming more harmonious with society and therefore happier himself. Just my thoughts as well :P
I agree with your comment however I think the real issue is his use of language- the long description of the picture seemed unnecessary and the whole tone seems off. While the example could’ve been used as a relatable lesson the language used was unacceptable, especially considering his fan base was generally 10-14 year olds at the time. :)
I think it's different than a teenager writing stories for another teenager vs an adult writing stories. As an adult, you can observe and write about your behaviour in a different way from this. Like I would've made some jokes like "Don't be an idiot like me when I did this stupid thing" "Be better than I was when I hurt this person" for example. You can add nuances, explain the behaviour/story and why that might not always be a good thing. I think it's different when you're an adult writing about your past because by the time you come to write about it, you should've learnt and grown. Like there are many cringe things I've done, bad things as a teenager that teenage me would've been like lol vs adult me who is like I shouldn't have done this because x y and z. There are also stories that I didn't realise were truly dark until I told them to other people because that was just normal life for me or things I thought were funny but weren't because I was in a scary situation and I didn't comprehend that at the time.
I don't know if this makes any sense but if it's a teenager writing a book for teenager, I wouldn't expect the same thing from the book from what I expect from an adult author. I expect crappy cringy jokes, awkward stories that misses the mark. Teenagers writing for teenagers can be relatable rather than adults who write for teenagers can be idolized for their gift and have a degree of power more than the average teen to teen book.
26 Shane has power over his audience as an adult. His audience see him as an adult rather than a social peer who is on the same level as them.
I think the bigger issue here isn't so much content but tone. As a teenager, I didn't have a healthy relationship with sex and sexuality, especially in online spaces, and I think it's fine for me as an adult to address that. However, it wouldn't be okay for me to write a book targeted at young teenagers normalizing the unhealthy sexual behaviors I engaged in as something hilarious and funny. It would be especially inappropriate for me to use my book targeted at young teenagers to graphically describe and make fun of the genitalia of a teenager.
This will, 1, make so many kids reading think CP and sending nudes to strangers on the internet is just normal and okay. Lots of kids looked up to him, which made him a role model rather or not he signed up for that. And, 2, how many AMAB people will read that passage and become self-conscious about themselves? While he was trying to make fun of one kid that he seems to hate for some irrational reason, he tells a whole group of young people that their genitalia may be gross and worthy of scorn and mocking, which is an awful message to send to a group of already self-conscious and vulnerable people.
Often times, people who are victims of sexual abuse have blurred lines about what’s sexually appropriate. Perhaps his childhood made him sexually repressed, but I wonder if this fixation on children isn’t actually from another trauma than religious
I remember that on the live he made after Tati's video he said that he was molested, but in one of his books he says something like "i was such a cute kid, I'm surprised I have never been molested" (why would anyone say something like that???????) so who knows
Hi Rachel! I finished your first video about Shane's book today and I'm so glad to have part too. Cheers!
I never read the book, but my little sister was a big fan of his. I remember her being extremely excited when the book came out and even bought it early. After she read it, I found it interesting that she just stopped being a fan of his and didn't really like talking about the book. I found it odd because she's the type of person who insists the whole family reads something she likes so she can go over it in minute detail without her having to deal with talking around spoilers. Given how much of a fan she was, I had expected to force myself through the book but she gave away her copy almost as soon as she finished it and brushed off our questions about it when we asked her how it was. I'm now starting to see why she was acting the way she did at the time.
I think this is the first time I've seen one of your video without comments...I enjoy your videos and am looking forward to this one!
It's important that you finish this review as he is set to make his return to new media sometime this year or next year, Rachel a lot of people write off this early book as just bad but this is extremely revealing. The barrier of language in the hands of those who are capable can be a powerful tool, fortunately, we have someone who has a very level headed approach and is not afraid of a big youtuber.
Thank you,
fascinating that this man marketed himself as an “empath.” So so crazy
I feel like he doesn’t understand that although he was the same age as these people, writing about it as though he’s still 14 talking to other 14 year olds isn’t appropriate.
Will you be reviewing halseys book, it’s impressive
Wait like the singer halsey?
@@kierrodriguez4120 yeah she has a poetry book
It disgusts me that he was TH-cam’s golden boy for years and they were well aware of his content.
They were raking in the dough, that's why.
Ditto on the myspace thing. I was maybe a bit young for it anyway, like middle school, but I didn't even know it existed until it was already long gone. Always nice to meet a fellow member of the "missed out on pop culture because had no friends as a kid" club!
unpopular opinion, but I hate how people are policing fat people in how they themselves speak about being fat or how they joke about it. As a plus size person myself it grinds my gears when people call ME fat phobic for being honest about MY feelings on being fat. Shane Dawson has every right to joke about or be honest about his experience as fat.
@@AZ-ij1ls yes exactly, but Rachel's reactions to Shane joking about his own appearance or size is the same reaction she has to him joking about other people's appearances in this book. It's not the same thing, he has every right to speak of himself and joke about himself as he wishes.
Valid, but Shane very much spews fat == bad.
It feels like he uses it as a defense, like he call everyone else these horrible thing because he's fat and that much worse than any of that
As a person who actually is an empath (even saying that sentence makes me cringe), I cannot imagine saying or even thinking any of the things shane said about people in this book. It’s absolutely vile. People are born with empathy, it doesn’t just happen one day 10 years into your career when you’re thinking of an interesting spin for your docuseries. Everything he says in this book really proves he is not an empath.
I was admittedly gutted when I heard about the grandmother because I lost my grandmother in high school. The last time I ever got to see her was in August of 2016. I cried when I had to leave to the airport because I was scared I would never get to see her again...she died November of the same year just a couple of days before Trump got elected. My mental health was deteriorating during the time leading up to her death and that didn't help at all. My actual "goodbye" to her was over the phone...she didn't even speak, which made it all the more harder. Part of me wonders if I should have taken time off from school to see her in person, yet I also don't think I could've handled seeing her in the condition she was in right before her death. It's almost been five years now, but I still get emotional whenever I think back to the last time I got to see her in person. I had no idea how right I was...too right.
Shane is incredibly lucky to have gotten that closure.
yo why did people stan him in the first place
manipulation
@@brennacurvey8791 solid point
7:30 I’m speechless. That is so messed up. I know it’s Shane so I shouldn’t be surprised, but I’d be surprised by anyone doing that in general. Because no one should do that.
I really wish we had some insight as to what his home life was like growing up. Of course what he says in the book is wrong, but at the same time I can't help but feel a sense of sadness for him. It doesn't seem like he is coming from a place of malicious intent, but rather, he genuinely thinks this is normal. And unlike most predatory TH-camrs such as Onision for instance, Shane seems like he could be capable of genuine growth with the help of some therapy and education.
@Circé A. I know this is not popular of me to say, but I can't say I hold any dislike for Shane. Of course there is much about him to be critical of, but overall, I do not think he is a bad person. In fact, I think he has many positive traits and if he could put those traits to good use, I think he could make genuinely funny, helpful, and entertaining content.
@Circé A. yes, i completely agree!
It's honestly scary how similar Shane's books sound to Onision's when it comes to writing.