My Panasonic Lumix S5 II review! In-depth look at the photo and focusing vs R6 II and A7 IV Lumix S5 II at B&H: bhpho.to/3QbvcuV // WEX UK: tidd.ly/3GDqEKx Buy Gordon a coffee: www.paypal.me/cameralabs Gordon's In Camera book: amzn.to/2n61PfI / Amazon uk: amzn.to/2mBqRVZ Cameralabs merchandise: redbubble.com/people/cameralabs/shop Gordon’s retro gear channel: th-cam.com/users/dinobytes Check MPB to buy and sell used gear: bit.ly/3ULU9yL Check eBay to find vintage gear: rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=1&pub=5574908462&toolid=10001&campid=5338329149&customid=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg Lost photos? I recover mine with: www.dpbolvw.net/click-100568658-13808570?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stellarinfo.com%2Fphoto-recovery-software.php Equipment used for producing my videos Sony A6400: prf.hn/l/pRO0wp5 Sony e 24mm f1.8: amzn.to/2TqWNzk Rode NT USB mic: amzn.to/3AdHcUp Rode Wireless Go II mic: amzn.to/3xkCvGo Rode Lavalier Go mic: amzn.to/3ygzzKY Godox UL150 light: amzn.to/2VpVbXE Godox QR-P70 softbox: amzn.to/3yQfGdF MacBook Pro 14in (16GB / 1TB): amzn.to/3PrKbPV 00:00 - Introduction 00:33 - Lumix S5 II Phase Detect autofocus at last! 03:19 - Lumix S5 II body design and controls 06:39 - Lumix S5 II viewfinder and screen 07:49 - Lumix S5 II card slots, ports and battery life 09:31 - Lumix S5 II L-mount and lenses 10:31 - Lumix S5 II sensor and photo options 12:49 - Lumix S5 II photo quality vs High Resolution mode 14:27 - Lumix S5 II resolution vs EOS R6 II and Sony A7 IV 15:57 - Lumix S5 II noise high ISO vs EOS R6 II and Sony A7 IV 17:30 - Lumix S5 II RAW dynamic range 17:59 - Lumix S5 II IBIS stabilization 19:10 - Lumix S5 II autofocus AF 19:59 - Lumix S5 II subject detection 21:54 - Lumix S5 II face, eye and human detection autofocus 23:53 - Lumix S5 II vs EOS R6 II vs Sony A7 IV face and eye tracking 24:55 - Lumix S5 II burst shooting speed 27:21 - Lumix S5 II action photography bikes 28:31 - Lumix S5 II birds in flight wildlife photography 29:30 - Lumix S5 II rolling shutter electronic skewing 30:40 - Lumix S5 II photo modes 31:20 - Lumix S5 II bracketing 31:38 - Lumix S5 II focus bracketing 33:19 - Lumix S5 II verdict and sample images Music: www.davidcuttermusic.com / @dcuttermusic As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases
Yes!💖 In Australia the 20-60mm kits for the S5II & S5IIx are very nicely discounted, and come with a bonus 14-28mmF4-5.6💎 @@cameralabs Time to re-watch your videos!
Super happy to see Panasonic is serious about improving their cameras. They have no intention of exiting this market, and their success is good for all of us.
@B Basleigh Compared to which camera of Fuji. It lands in the middle of the XH2S and XH2. The XH2S seems to be a better video camera with no rolling shutter. The XH2 has higher megapixels and a higher pixel shift that's less video-centric. Then changing systems and investing in new lenses won't be affordable. Only new enthusiasts or someone not vested in the Fujiverse would benefit from a switch to Panasonic. Both Fuji X models seem to have better autofocus. Excellent fair balanced presentation Gordon.
We actually returned a panasonic hc-x20 video camera. Its auto focus was terrible, not really useable for serious video. The camera was large, which we knew going in. We are experienced videographers. My 3 years older sony video camera was way, way better in every way panasonic was absolutely disappointing. Gary
@@mostlymessingabout yep, Kai's a legend around these parts, started on Digital REV in Hong Kong before going solo back here in the UK. He's a good fella. Slightly different style to me!
This is amazing. My two favorite reviewers. I just said so in a comment in a smaller TH-cam channel that these are the 2 best and most honest in the business and Kai shows up on Gordon’s channel.
Great review as always. One thing to note for the Panasonic, while it's true that Sony and Panasonic both have access to Sigma lenses, L-Mount Sigmas are considered native lenses, not third party, so they have better performance on Panasonic bodies than they would on Sony, and have access to the full burst rates of cameras as well as teleconverters.
@@cameralabs There could be more nuance to what I am saying, but from my understanding Sony limits what third party manufacturers can do with their mount, such as not allowing teleconverters and capping burst rates. I don't think L-Mount has these same limitations.
Thank you for this video. Your comparison at 15:36 with the charts made my day. I am a visual artist who archives my oil paintings for print as well as shooting static diomaras and maquettes on a tripod. The high resolution mode of the S5ii seems like it was made for people like me, as well as video, live-streaming etc. I'm going to purchase the S5iiX asap.
Hurrah for your stills photography focussed (no pun intended) reviews. I sometimes feel I'm the only one who reckons there are more photographers than videographers, no matter what most TH-cam channels think...
Thank you for the review. The autofocus of Panasonic cameras was the biggest problem to solve. So it’s very good news ! Just pitty than they offered this new technology on a full frame model and not on the gh6. The expectation and hope was more important on M43 sensor. But it’s very personal :)
I hope Panasonic does a G9 mark II with a stacked sensor like OM-1 and include phase detect autofocus. Currently very happy with G9 apart from the video auto focus.
I will say that the Panasonic DFD is very solid for contrast detect AF and if they added phase detect or hybrid AF it should be one of the best out there. I am hoping for a G9 II or somethings with the updated hybrid AF and maybe improvement on the ISO. Nice videos as always. You are my #1 source to decide buying equipment.
I'm having a hard time choosing between the g9II and this one; witch is better for low light when Im out hiking, and for astro/starry skies / aurora? I feel my g90 is not up for it🧐
I am now adding Panasonic on my list. I love the Sigma lenses but require good video AF. So now, Panasonic seems good enough and that is great! Thanks for another great video Gordon!
I use hi-res regularly for interiors, it's excellent. If there's plenty of light high resolution handles exterior movement reasonably well too, as multi-exposure happens in a much briefer time, with clouds for example. As a non-vlogger upgrades from my S5 aren't essential, but the Mk II looks a nice cameras.
Mr Laing, if youtube does not pay you enought, and social media is not recognizing your work, i just want to remind you that youre one of the greatest camera reviewers of all this platform, thanks for your hard work, please continue giving great images of the cameras, and your sincere opinion, just dont forget to use some os the "british humor" that we all enjoy. sorry if im not writing correctly, this is not my native lenguage. Panasonic was the first brand i put my eyes on, and still like it a lot. i tell my friends if you want to record video use a lumix camera. My best regards from CR.
Thank you for another thoughtful and complete (and trustworthy) review! I am particularly happy that you cover the focus bracketing abilities of cameras as no one else does. The fact that this camera will allow focus bracketing with flash is huge for me and I don't think I would have known about it in any other way. Kudos!
I have just got the S5ii having struggled with the focusing on the original S5. What a game changer. Thank you Panasonic and thank you Gordon for a superb in-depth review
probably the best review i've ever seen it was everything i wanted, i was torn between the s5ii even after finding a great price for it but this video made me feel so much at ease, thank you so much
Ive watched like 15 videos prior to this and I thought I can't learn anything new about the S5 ii but you proved me wrong! I can say you've managed to make the most detailed review out of all the videos Ive watched
@@cameralabs I'm debating between Sony A7iii and the Lumix S5 ii. I know the S5 ii is the better camera by far but the auto focus still worries me a little since I plan on using it a lot for work and personal projects. Would you say it's on the level on the Sony when set on the higher speeds of AF and the proper AF settings ?
The autofocus looked the best on the Lumix to me in the test at around the 24 minutes mark. While the Canon may be recognizing the subject and putting up the box on the head but its focus isn't sticking to you even when you aren't moving your distance from the camera. It's varying rapidly between between the subject and then some distance between the subject and the background (though never completely focusing on the background). Not only does the focus look bad there but it's causing a lot of lens focus breathing to show up. The Sony looks terrible in this test as well. I'm amazed Panasonic did such a good job on their first entry into a hybrid focus system and it's really making me look forward to the Mark II versions of the S1/S1R.
Always seen the great benefits of LUMIX Cameras. The reason I've been using them for 8 years now. I have never been turned off by their DOD AF however PD AF is a GAME CHANGER for Panasonic as it will put them up in the TOP 4 FF Camera Brands by 2024 with new models coming.
I'm an S5II user and I just bought the Sigma 50 1.4 DG DN. I've recently discovered a "bug" or lack of transparency with the S5II. The phase AF-C is not active in all shooting quality modes. In the .MP4 mode, most quality settings can apply phase detection. However, in .MOV mode, not all settings support it, especially in high frame rate (such as 120 fps). And some 4K modes, it seems somewhat random which modes implement phase detection. This is a bit disappointing, and I only discovered it when using f1.4. When using the 24-70 2.8 (my old lens), this issue was not as noticeable.
As an S5 owner, this really does give me a fair bit of hope in the future of the platform. Most of my issues with AF seem to be addressed to the point it's hard for me not to make the jump to the S5ii. Had uncropped 4k60p been included, it would have been a no brainer. With that said, I think I wait a bit to see if they make an S1ii.
I had the same hesitancy with the cropped 4k60 but with all the other advantages that it offers AND at that price, I think it's something I'm willing to concede! (edit: didn't notice you already have the S5, that makes sense why you'd what for the s1hii)
@@davisnareymedia Ah, I'm actually one of those weridos who primarily uses S5 as a photo camera, so will likely skip the S1h line and go for a mark 2 of the regular S1. Love the output SOOC and the overall handling of the Panasonic system. Really hoping they come out with a full featured S1m2, but wouldn't be surprised if they skip it and only focus on the S1R and S1H lines.
Fantastic review. The most comprehensive I’ve watched and definitely not too long! The S5ii looks great, I’m really impressed by it. Amazing how a change like PDAF makes such a difference to the overall package. A lot of the pros existed for a while, such as IBIS performance, lens selection (vs Canon), video performance, colour/image quality. PDAF just makes it a much more viable package, well done Panasonic.
very thorough examination! I am a micro 4/3s guy, but I find this interesting because I like to know what the manufacturer of my camera system is doing in the bigger picture. It looks to me that Panasonic is taking things very seriously. This might not transfer well for micro4/3s, but Panasonic is well into the game of making cameras for the future.
Interesting to watch considering that I've just received my S5 Mk II two lens kit. Having gone through Four-Thirds, micro Four-Thirds, and Nikon DX, I've been attempting to learn what's available. Thanks for doing so much and showing me that I made a good choice.
I'm very happy with this release and looking forward to more improvement on the AF in future firmware updates. But for a first try, I think they have done much better than Nikon and Canon's first gen mirrorless bodies. Photographers are really spoiled for choice nowadays!
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon I think I should stick with my R3 and R6 MKII I have a decent set of RF Glass already so no need to swap out it is just that there is something about Panasonic colours that tempts me cheers Hieth
Happy New Year and thank you for your usual thorough review of the Panasonic S5ii. This looks like a smashing hybrid body. We all knew Panasonic would eventually use phase detection so I’m glad they got around to it. I am not in the market for a full frame body. I use M43 bodies so maybe phase detection will be added to the G9ii or G10 when that comes out. Hard to believe this body presents at $2000 when the Fuji XT5 is a little cheaper and the XH 2 & S are a little more expensive. This body will give them a run for the money. Again, thank you for your review. I now know what I’m missing by staying with my Fiji XT4 & XS10. Hope this will be the best year yet. Mask On Nurse Marty
Hi Gordon! Were your sample images straight out of this camera? I downloaded the one taken at ISO 800 and I cannot see any noise. My D810 will show a lot of noise even at ISO 400. Wow?
I actually put on this video to fall asleep, but unfortunately it was too interesting to actually drift off. Which is a complement. I'm a micro four thirds shooter myself and struggle with pointing my lens in the direction of wildlife on time. So I am not too hyped about the PDAF, yet, but you never know. It might change a lot for me as well. Looking forward to some new micro four thirds tech.
Panasonic is like AMD. They lag on something for a while, show up put of the blue, leave a horse's head in Intel's bed, and go on to capture market share from there. It's neat to watch and I love that they do it. Can't wait for whatever comes next in the GH line, or the range topping S1.
@@cameralabs true, but the OM-1 is a great looking but pricey camera. The fact it does not come with a battery charger and that a spare batter is $99 usd is not selling me on that camera at the moment. Hoping for a value priced G9 replacement with some phase detect autofocus goodness. The OM-5 seems to be a bit of a joke so I worry if OM systems will be in MFT game for the long run. Now hoping for a price drop on the OM-1 or something cool from Panasonic in the MFT world. The reviews of this camera seem to be very positive so it looks like Panasonic is really focused on improving their game. This can only be good news for the consumer. I've been an olympus shooter for a long time, but Panasonic could sure tempt me if the price is competitive.
If they can make an MFT version of this camera I think it would sell a ton to those of use who already have MFT glass. The fact this is full frame and right around $2000 usd gives me a lot of hope for a cool and affordable MFT camera from Panasonic in the not too distant future. A stripped down MFT camera with phase detect and the GH6 sensor would be something I would really consider and please don't make us buy a battery charger separately like OM systems. Seems like panasonic has the stabilization nearly up to Olympus levels. Here's hoping this camera comes along soon. This S5 ii gives me a lot of hope of what we will see from Panasonic soon. Also, the recent addition if th 9mm f1.7 shows me Panasonic is still thinking about MFT.
Thank you for detailed review! I found some discussion on DPReview, where people arguing that RAW compression is in fact, lossy (don't remember if it was with S5 or S5 II). But there's no proper tests or whatnot, to prove or disprove that claim.
Yep, I always like to show what cameras can do for photography when the rest of TH-cam seems to concentrate on the video! That said, I'm still working on my review of the video features!
Great review! I’m considering selling my Fuji equipment and switching to full frame based on the S5 II. I don’t feel the need for crazy resolutions and the system seems to be all I need.
@@cameralabs Because Fuji reached the limit of what is doable in the aps-c world with the latest sensor. I didn’t have the chance to test it, but I did the maths. In fact, any aperture smaller than f/9 will eat up that great resolution due to diffraction on that high-density sensor. The laws of physics are unavoidable. Not so great for landscape photography, which should take advantage of the more detailed images. Another point is low light performance. Taking decent photos at ISO 6400 or even 12800 is huge - the Fuji system starts to fall apart at this stage. I live up north and have to deal with low light for at least six months a year. I sticked with my X-T3 since I’m not into video and the X-T4 didn’t provide any real advantage to me. I considered to purchase the new X-T5, but, as mentioned above, I think it’s already too much, or at least on the edge of what makes sense and further development of the system will be very difficult, whereas in full frame there’s still a lot of space for improvement.
@@bartoszpajak2285 I read comments by many people who just want to swap brands or change for the hell of it, but your comment shows you have thought it through and considered what will be best for you. Good luck with it!
Gordon, I absolutely love your approach to camera and lens reviews. I'd love to see you do a follow up video on the S5ii for it's latest firmware update, since it seems some of these things have changed or improved a significant margin. Regardless, love the content.
Thanks! I actually got about halfway through a review of the video features but got distracted! I'll hopefully pick it back up again and include some new fw tests, like the improved video stabilisation
Hallelujah! PDAF in a Panasonic. Next question-will there be an MFT camera with PDAF? How ironic that Panasonic introduced pre-burst shooting, but Canon is the FF option with pre-burst shooting now. Thank you for yet another brilliant review. 😀
Well of course there already are MFTs with PDAF - from Olympus - but i know what you mean and have asked the question! I think they'll judge it by demand on this one.
I just came back with from Japan with my S5 in tote with the f/4 16-35mm lens. I really like the colors I get from the Panasonic. However, the DFD only focus made it difficult to film myself. Also, with the 16-35mm f/4 it made it tricky to take some shots in low light. After I came back I picked up a Sony A7 IV. The reason being 1 the auto focus is much better and there are a lot more lens available in E-mount. Had I known this was coming out and if there was a 16-35mm f/2.4 lens coming out in L mount, I probably would have stayed with Panasonic. I prefer the handling a little more on the S5 body and I like the colors out natively better on the S5 over the A7 IV. The S5II auto focus looks improved enough that I would have considered it.
I'm interested to hear about the choice of lenses. It's true Sony has a LOT of choice, especially with third parties including Tamron. Do you feel Sigma and Panasonic's own ranges have significant gaps for you personally? I know I can reel off some models they don't have, but how many would you actually want? I'm just wondering how complete L mount is for lenses for other people. Sigma is releasing a lot and is not slowing down!
@@cameralabs the biggest hole for me is the lack of a 16-35mm f/2.4. I do like doing street photography and architecture, so having a fast lens is important to me. The Sigma 12-24mm f/2.4 is just a little to short for me. After I came back from Japan I wished that I had a longer lens like a 24-70mm. Also I wish I had better video auto focus, the S5 fluttered too much for my liking. I am going to keep my s5 for when I want to try some astro photography and for landscapes.
For doing probably 90% stills photography, would you recommend the S5ii or the S1? The G9 is my current camera for stills and I like the fact that the S1 is basically a full frame G9. Although for a bit more, I could get the even higher resolution S1R.
I would expect an updated s1r in the next year, so look for good prices. But if 24mp is enough, tge s5ii is tremendous value, and if you don't need pdaf, look for deals on original s5 which has similar af to your g9
Please tell me how to set up the camera so that it immediately shoots without a magenta tint. So that you can immediately post it on social networks. What settings need to be changed? I am newbie
Hi Gordon! Thank you very much for your review. I have been a Fuji shooter for a couple of years for commercial work. Currently, I use the X-T5 for photos and the X-H2s for videos. I am considering replacing my X-T5 with a full-frame camera. I am not satisfied with the low-light quality when shooting events without flash; my maximum satisfactory ISO performance is 3200. Do you think that the S5iiX will be an upgrade? I want to keep the X-H2s because I have plenty of lenses, but I am really eager to try a full-frame camera. Another concern is that Fuji lenses are not optimized for video, with issues like focus-by-wire and focus breathing. On Lumix cameras, I really like the ability to use custom LUTs, which is opposite to the experience with the Sony 7 IV - another camera I am considering. I recently photographed an event with my friend who had an A7 III with the cheapest 50mm lens, and I was surprised by the quality compared to my X-T5. Thank you
Thank you for another thorough review! Very useful. One suggestion I would have for your videos would be to add a SOOC colour test for skin tone in your camera reviews, if you have the possibility. There's a lot of difference in quality between different models when it comes to that aspect, especially for darker skin tones: some make ligther people look a bit green, some make darker people look very orange. For instance, the Lumix S5 II seems to perform really well on that front, but it'd be nice to see a systematic comparison with other cameras.
Gordon, you are the BEST camera reviewer - by far - on TH-cam. Another thorough, amazing job. Also appreciate the comparison with likely rivals from Canon and Sony. Thank you.
After having both the S5 and S5 II for a couple of months, I decided to sell my original S5 (after owning it for 5 months) since it spent more time sitting on the shelf. The S5 II's new auto focus is the compelling feature for me.
Gordon, my compliments for this fantastic, well-spoken, dense and all-encompassing review! No fluff, no self-aggrandizing, no posturing, no childish noises, side-comments or constant veering off-topic on your channel, just straight forward, highly concentrated and very competent reviewing, analysis and background information delivery. Top-notch; thank you so much for this thorough, comprehensive and enjoyable review!
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
Gordon, great review and superb amount of information. This looks like a very nice upgrade. I did wonder whether Panasonic would ever move to phase detect. In previous years I would have been frustrated by this upgrade as a S5 owner, but my S5 is more than I need for photos along with the 20-60 + 70-300. If they did finally decide to make a G9 mkii with phase detection, this would be awesome for motorsport with the 2:1 focal length, and a tempting buy as a 2nd camera.
Holy Bejus thanks so much for making a photography review! Everyone else seems to think this is a camcorder! Did you try the LUT feature in this camera? I am rally interested in this for photography so I can get presentable jpgs straight out of the camera, no editing required.
That's a tough one. Are you asking which has the better animal detection in video? I think Sony's might be a bit better right now, but the S5 II has other video benefits which could be useful to you.
@@cameralabs yes definitely a tough one. Sony does seem to have an edge in the animal detection department but wonder if the S5II's other benefits overcome that advantage. Also concerned about potential overheating on the A7IV. Also am wondering if the S5II X is worth waiting for. Thanks!
@@wildlifehouse Since the S5II X has already been teased, I'd say it's worth waiting a couple of months if you're on the fence. It's mostly about recording options though as far as I understand.
Wow am amazed at the autofocus, only thing I miss with the L mount is a good L Mount telephoto zoom lens like 50-250 or something like the Tamron 28-200, even 35-150
@@cameralabs I checked that out am out looking for a travel option. Panasonic only has the 70-300 which may fit that scenario but it's huge too. I love the Tamron 28-200 for travel paired with the Sigma 16-28 on Sony
@@cameralabs It is really a hard to beat combo on the sony because 16-28 is great for video on gimbal, and landscape s, and the Tamron works well whenever I need more range, and everything being compact in a descent small-medium backpack , with space for DJI mini 3 pro
As always, a fantastic review, Gordon! I totally agree with the comparisons you tested here in this video, but I think a strong battle would be the S-5iiX VS Fujifilm XH2s. Fuji has the LUMIX covered at every turn with the stacked sensor, no rolling shutter, no crop in higher video frame rates, 4K 60 and 120, CF Express card, Fuji colours, much faster shutter for outdoor wide open shooting, and the lists goes on. However, there is always that question mark of FF vs APSC with respect to depth of field, low light and noise. Through one of your reviews, I think it would be a great question to attempt to answer of giving up the much better camera (the Fuji), for that full frame advantage which is a real thing! Anyway, just a suggestion. Thanks again for your hard work, Gordon. ✌️
That's a great idea for a comparison. The XH2S will be stronger on the feature set thanks to the smaller sensor, but the other benefits could outweigh it. I'm doing a video based review at the moment, concentrating on full frame rivals, but I'll mention the XH2S and maybe do a proper comparison later.
@@cameralabs Thanks for the reply! Glad you’re considering the suggestion. It’s an age old debate (FF vs APSC), but I think it’s only getting better with how good processors and sensors are getting these days! I’ll look out for the review. Thanks again. ✌️
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Thank you for a superb, thorough review. What firmware version did your Panasonic Lumix S5 II have? What do you think of the ease of use of the menus of the S5 II, R6 II, and A7 IV?
I loved your review of the s5 ii compared to the a7V and to Canon R6 ii.... I have your book which i enjoy.. I don't think the video was long. Anything you are interested in gives you interest. Please put more pauses in between sentences otherwise some of us will find it hard to follow! But that is just me...😅 37:50 😅
Yes it has Wifi to your phone. Yes it can focus bracket, but no it won't stack them. Yes it has pixel shift and yes it can stack them. I mention this in the video.
Hello Gordon. After hearing about Samyang joining the L-mount alliance today I jumped right on to TH-cam to check out your photography focused reviews. From your uses, for photography would you go with Canon R6/6ii or s5ii? I shoot mostly landscape and travel. Sometimes a little action with birds. Ergonomics of canon is hard to beat but this Panasonic looks close!
@@cameralabs cheers Gordon. The addition of Samyang is an added bonus now. I'll have to try get my hands on the s5ii and feel the ergonomics for myself 👍
welll well this is very very exciting! What if Theoretically a person could have a custom V-log to S-log LUT in their S5mk2 camera and be able to smoothly shoot alongside Sony cameras as well? Hmmm
Another great review! IMO the best place to come for straight forward honest reviews which absolutely helps “normal” enthusiasts like me to think about their purchase decisions based on their own needs and requirements 👍💪👌
I'm going to upgrade from a GH5, but I'm nervous to pull the trigger without know it's going to do all the things the GH5 did? I mostly shoot video, but I do the odd photo shoot for product photography (some macro). Anything I should be aware of?
What if one can buy the a7 iv for the same price as s5 ii? A7 IV goes on sale now and then such as right now in my region. The body of both cameras can be had for 1999 and the basic kit of both cameras can be had for 2199 in my region. I also expect a7 IV price to go down gradually even without sales to match S5 II if Sony deems necessary to keep their market position. Sony also has multiple upgrade paths to different models whereas Panasonic only has one camera with phase detect so there is nothing to upgrade to. Unfortunately Sony seems not to get good ratings for it's ergonomy, the screen, overheating and ibis.
@@cameralabs I will look into the lenses options in more detail. But I think I can't predict beforehand which lens I will need exactly. I don't have a full frame camera at the moment. I want to switch to full frame for better landscape, nature, outdoor portrait, street and travel photography and start with video too. I have to consider Sony ecosystem, cheap lenses, other available Sony bodies as upgrade paths, 33mpix and second hand market. I still like the ergonomy, display, video options and IBIS of s5 II better. But it's the only phase detect camera which Panasonic has. So there is nothing to upgrade to at the moment..if you don't like S5 II, you're stuck with L mount lenses on the only body with phase detect that Panasonic has. I want to order S5 II with 20-60 mm and then get more lenses. However, I'm not sure it's a rational decision long term considering the Sony and E-mount ecosystem as a competition. On the other hand if I get a7 IV I'm worried I'll be regretting it every time when I see the low resolution screen of the a7IV and it's IBIS performance. As an amateur, handheld video means a lot to me.
@@cameralabs I held a7 III, a7 IV , a7r IV and a7r V. I didn't love the screen nor viewfinder on a7 IV. Canon R7 or a7R V screens looked much nicer. Other than that a7 IV felt surprisingly compact. I will try to get hold of s5 II somewhere to see if I like it better. I didn't find S5 II in any local store yet. Only S5 mark 1.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:33 - Lumix S5 II Phase Detect autofocus at last!
03:19 - Lumix S5 II body design and controls
06:39 - Lumix S5 II viewfinder and screen
07:49 - Lumix S5 II card slots, ports and battery life
09:31 - Lumix S5 II L-mount and lenses
10:31 - Lumix S5 II sensor and photo options
12:49 - Lumix S5 II photo quality vs High Resolution mode
14:27 - Lumix S5 II resolution vs EOS R6 II and Sony A7 IV
15:57 - Lumix S5 II noise high ISO vs EOS R6 II and Sony A7 IV
17:30 - Lumix S5 II RAW dynamic range
17:59 - Lumix S5 II IBIS stabilization
19:10 - Lumix S5 II autofocus AF
19:59 - Lumix S5 II subject detection
21:54 - Lumix S5 II face, eye and human detection autofocus
23:53 - Lumix S5 II vs EOS R6 II vs Sony A7 IV face and eye tracking
24:55 - Lumix S5 II burst shooting speed
27:21 - Lumix S5 II action photography bikes
28:31 - Lumix S5 II birds in flight wildlife photography
29:30 - Lumix S5 II rolling shutter electronic skewing
30:40 - Lumix S5 II photo modes
31:20 - Lumix S5 II bracketing
31:38 - Lumix S5 II focus bracketing
33:19 - Lumix S5 II verdict and sample images
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Thrilled to finally order one of these! Came with a free 14-28! I was aiming for the X, but the best deal was for the core version.
@@fellowcitizen did you order just now? There's a really good deal in the UK at the moment.,..
Yes!💖 In Australia the 20-60mm kits for the S5II & S5IIx are very nicely discounted, and come with a bonus 14-28mmF4-5.6💎 @@cameralabs Time to re-watch your videos!
@@fellowcitizen I promise to make my S5 II movie mode review soon!
Marvellous! @@cameralabs
This is the GOLD STANDARD of reviews! Thank you for focusing on the photo side as well!
Thankyou, and you are very welcome!
Super happy to see Panasonic is serious about improving their cameras. They have no intention of exiting this market, and their success is good for all of us.
Panasonic might even grab a bigger share of the market.
@B Basleigh Compared to which camera of Fuji. It lands in the middle of the XH2S and XH2. The XH2S seems to be a better video camera with no rolling shutter. The XH2 has higher megapixels and a higher pixel shift that's less video-centric. Then changing systems and investing in new lenses won't be affordable. Only new enthusiasts or someone not vested in the Fujiverse would benefit from a switch to Panasonic. Both Fuji X models seem to have better autofocus. Excellent fair balanced presentation Gordon.
@@technodronesogxl9783it’s full frame camera 😂
all they need now is to release an APC camera.
We actually returned a panasonic hc-x20 video camera. Its auto focus was terrible, not really useable for serious video. The camera was large, which we knew going in. We are experienced videographers. My 3 years older sony video camera was way, way better in every way panasonic was absolutely disappointing. Gary
Right, now it's time to watch the OG Camera TH-camr's vid! And I'm coming to Brighton for those Easter Eggs BTW. 👍
It'll help you get to sleep if nothing else. My video that is, not the eggs. They're delicious!
Who is that?
@@mostlymessingabout you don't know Kai Wong? You must be new here. Check out his channel, and his mate, @Lok Cheung.
@@mostlymessingabout yep, Kai's a legend around these parts, started on Digital REV in Hong Kong before going solo back here in the UK. He's a good fella. Slightly different style to me!
This is amazing. My two favorite reviewers. I just said so in a comment in a smaller TH-cam channel that these are the 2 best and most honest in the business and Kai shows up on Gordon’s channel.
The amount of information and testing you've done and put in this video is incredible.
Thanks, it took AGES!
Great review as always. One thing to note for the Panasonic, while it's true that Sony and Panasonic both have access to Sigma lenses, L-Mount Sigmas are considered native lenses, not third party, so they have better performance on Panasonic bodies than they would on Sony, and have access to the full burst rates of cameras as well as teleconverters.
Hmmm, interesting point, I've not looked into the differences between L and e-mount versions of DG DN lenses.
@@cameralabs There could be more nuance to what I am saying, but from my understanding Sony limits what third party manufacturers can do with their mount, such as not allowing teleconverters and capping burst rates. I don't think L-Mount has these same limitations.
@@nickcarneyphotography I'll look into it further...
AF finally looking great on Lumix! I feel like this is gonna be a reeeeaaaallly exciting year in the camera world!
This was the secret camera I was testing!
@@cameralabs so I gather! I was thinking it was either Sony or Panasonic for why so many people were about in Japan, ha!
I got my preorder in - so excited! Everything I could have wanted and more - thanks for the excellent coverage as always Gordon
You're welcome, it was a LOT of work!
Thank you for this video. Your comparison at 15:36 with the charts made my day. I am a visual artist who archives my oil paintings for print as well as shooting static diomaras and maquettes on a tripod. The high resolution mode of the S5ii seems like it was made for people like me, as well as video, live-streaming etc. I'm going to purchase the S5iiX asap.
Gordon, You are the best in accurate review of cameras without the nonsense.
Thanks, I appreciate your comment.
This video was outstanding and became the verdict on me choosing the S5II after months of research. Thank you and I love your videos!
You're welcome!
Hurrah for your stills photography focussed (no pun intended) reviews. I sometimes feel I'm the only one who reckons there are more photographers than videographers, no matter what most TH-cam channels think...
Yeah, I think that too!
Thank you for the review. The autofocus of Panasonic cameras was the biggest problem to solve. So it’s very good news ! Just pitty than they offered this new technology on a full frame model and not on the gh6. The expectation and hope was more important on M43 sensor. But it’s very personal :)
I hope Panasonic does a G9 mark II with a stacked sensor like OM-1 and include phase detect autofocus. Currently very happy with G9 apart from the video auto focus.
I will say that the Panasonic DFD is very solid for contrast detect AF and if they added phase detect or hybrid AF it should be one of the best out there. I am hoping for a G9 II or somethings with the updated hybrid AF and maybe improvement on the ISO. Nice videos as always. You are my #1 source to decide buying equipment.
Thankyou!
Happy with the G9ii? 😊
I'm having a hard time choosing between the g9II and this one; witch is better for low light when Im out hiking, and for astro/starry skies / aurora? I feel my g90 is not up for it🧐
I am now adding Panasonic on my list. I love the Sigma lenses but require good video AF. So now, Panasonic seems good enough and that is great! Thanks for another great video Gordon!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just ordered mine today. Upgrade from my first camera, a G95. Can’t wait! Really doing photos only.
I use hi-res regularly for interiors, it's excellent. If there's plenty of light high resolution handles exterior movement reasonably well too, as multi-exposure happens in a much briefer time, with clouds for example. As a non-vlogger upgrades from my S5 aren't essential, but the Mk II looks a nice cameras.
Mr Laing, if youtube does not pay you enought, and social media is not recognizing your work, i just want to remind you that youre one of the greatest camera reviewers of all this platform, thanks for your hard work, please continue giving great images of the cameras, and your sincere opinion, just dont forget to use some os the "british humor" that we all enjoy. sorry if im not writing correctly, this is not my native lenguage. Panasonic was the first brand i put my eyes on, and still like it a lot. i tell my friends if you want to record video use a lumix camera. My best regards from CR.
Thankyou for your kind words (and excellent English!)
Thank you for another thoughtful and complete (and trustworthy) review! I am particularly happy that you cover the focus bracketing abilities of cameras as no one else does. The fact that this camera will allow focus bracketing with flash is huge for me and I don't think I would have known about it in any other way. Kudos!
You're welcome, it's a nice feature!
I have just got the S5ii having struggled with the focusing on the original S5. What a game changer. Thank you Panasonic and thank you Gordon for a superb in-depth review
You're very welcome!
probably the best review i've ever seen it was everything i wanted, i was torn between the s5ii even after finding a great price for it but this video made me feel so much at ease, thank you so much
You're welcome, it's a great camera for the money and I still use it to film almost all my videos
Ive watched like 15 videos prior to this and I thought I can't learn anything new about the S5 ii but you proved me wrong! I can say you've managed to make the most detailed review out of all the videos Ive watched
Thankyou, that's my aim! Hope you enjoy my other reviews...
@@cameralabs I'm debating between Sony A7iii and the Lumix S5 ii. I know the S5 ii is the better camera by far but the auto focus still worries me a little since I plan on using it a lot for work and personal projects. Would you say it's on the level on the Sony when set on the higher speeds of AF and the proper AF settings ?
@@lubostoev9924 yep, definitely on par with A7 III.
@@cameralabs okay thanks a lot
aaah Gordon what a brilliant, thorough review! I've learned so much watching this! It was a pleasure to meet you in Tokyo! - Emily 📸
Thanks! Bonus points if you made it to the end! Great to meet you too!
Now bring the Panasonic s1H mark II with phase detect and you got a nearly flawless camera for video!
If the high resolution mode is as good as you or others have stated, I would consider purchasing for this feature alone
Gordon, I want to thank you for creating this video, your content is unique and your opinion is very valuable to me.
Thanks, i appreciate your kind words!
The autofocus looked the best on the Lumix to me in the test at around the 24 minutes mark. While the Canon may be recognizing the subject and putting up the box on the head but its focus isn't sticking to you even when you aren't moving your distance from the camera. It's varying rapidly between between the subject and then some distance between the subject and the background (though never completely focusing on the background). Not only does the focus look bad there but it's causing a lot of lens focus breathing to show up. The Sony looks terrible in this test as well. I'm amazed Panasonic did such a good job on their first entry into a hybrid focus system and it's really making me look forward to the Mark II versions of the S1/S1R.
Always seen the great benefits of LUMIX Cameras. The reason I've been using them for 8 years now. I have never been turned off by their DOD AF however PD AF is a GAME CHANGER for Panasonic as it will put them up in the TOP 4 FF Camera Brands by 2024 with new models coming.
I'm an S5II user and I just bought the Sigma 50 1.4 DG DN. I've recently discovered a "bug" or lack of transparency with the S5II. The phase AF-C is not active in all shooting quality modes.
In the .MP4 mode, most quality settings can apply phase detection. However, in .MOV mode, not all settings support it, especially in high frame rate (such as 120 fps). And some 4K modes, it seems somewhat random which modes implement phase detection. This is a bit disappointing, and I only discovered it when using f1.4. When using the 24-70 2.8 (my old lens), this issue was not as noticeable.
As an S5 owner, this really does give me a fair bit of hope in the future of the platform. Most of my issues with AF seem to be addressed to the point it's hard for me not to make the jump to the S5ii. Had uncropped 4k60p been included, it would have been a no brainer. With that said, I think I wait a bit to see if they make an S1ii.
I had the same hesitancy with the cropped 4k60 but with all the other advantages that it offers AND at that price, I think it's something I'm willing to concede! (edit: didn't notice you already have the S5, that makes sense why you'd what for the s1hii)
@@davisnareymedia Ah, I'm actually one of those weridos who primarily uses S5 as a photo camera, so will likely skip the S1h line and go for a mark 2 of the regular S1. Love the output SOOC and the overall handling of the Panasonic system. Really hoping they come out with a full featured S1m2, but wouldn't be surprised if they skip it and only focus on the S1R and S1H lines.
Fantastic review. The most comprehensive I’ve watched and definitely not too long!
The S5ii looks great, I’m really impressed by it. Amazing how a change like PDAF makes such a difference to the overall package. A lot of the pros existed for a while, such as IBIS performance, lens selection (vs Canon), video performance, colour/image quality. PDAF just makes it a much more viable package, well done Panasonic.
It's a really solid proposition - thanks for watching!
I'm looking forward to having your book - just ordered it today. I'm sure I'll learn something more from you. All the best from Texas.
Thanks, I hope you enjoy it!
very thorough examination! I am a micro 4/3s guy, but I find this interesting because I like to know what the manufacturer of my camera system is doing in the bigger picture. It looks to me that Panasonic is taking things very seriously. This might not transfer well for micro4/3s, but Panasonic is well into the game of making cameras for the future.
Have heard its going into all their hybrid cameras
Interesting to watch considering that I've just received my S5 Mk II two lens kit. Having gone through Four-Thirds, micro Four-Thirds, and Nikon DX, I've been attempting to learn what's available. Thanks for doing so much and showing me that I made a good choice.
You're welcome!
The most comprehensive video I’ve seen so far👏🏻
Great video, Gordon! Looking forward to the Video-Centric review 🎉
I'm looking forward to that as well.
I'm very happy with this release and looking forward to more improvement on the AF in future firmware updates. But for a first try, I think they have done much better than Nikon and Canon's first gen mirrorless bodies. Photographers are really spoiled for choice nowadays!
Yes, it's a great first implementation
Perfect. Proud Lumix user for years. Never looked back!
As always, one of the very best reviews on the internet.
Thankyou!
I stayed to the end as always but still wondering if you had to choose only one of these 3 which would it be ?
I'd base it on lenses. Who has the models you want and can afford or borrow.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon I think I should stick with my R3 and R6 MKII I have a decent set of RF Glass already so no need to swap out it is just that there is something about Panasonic colours that tempts me cheers Hieth
Great to see Panasonic and Fuji as genuine competition for Nikon and Canon.
Happy New Year and thank you for your usual thorough review of the Panasonic S5ii.
This looks like a smashing hybrid body. We all knew Panasonic would eventually use phase detection so I’m glad they got around to it. I am not in the market for a full frame body. I use M43 bodies so maybe phase detection will be added to the G9ii or G10 when that comes out.
Hard to believe this body presents at $2000 when the Fuji XT5 is a little cheaper and the XH 2 & S are a little more expensive. This body will give them a run for the money.
Again, thank you for your review. I now know what I’m missing by staying with my Fiji XT4 & XS10. Hope this will be the best year yet.
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Thanks Marty
Hi Gordon! Were your sample images straight out of this camera? I downloaded the one taken at ISO 800 and I cannot see any noise. My D810 will show a lot of noise even at ISO 400. Wow?
All my sample images are always SOOC JPEGs. Sensors have moved on a lot since the D810!
I actually put on this video to fall asleep, but unfortunately it was too interesting to actually drift off. Which is a complement. I'm a micro four thirds shooter myself and struggle with pointing my lens in the direction of wildlife on time. So I am not too hyped about the PDAF, yet, but you never know. It might change a lot for me as well. Looking forward to some new micro four thirds tech.
Hah! And you thought I'd send you to sleep! I recommend watching more...
Thanks Gordon, I dropped off for a few minutes but that was due to jet lag. Woke up and made it to the end.because it was so interesting. Happy 2023!
Hmmmmm, I may need you to go back and watch the bits you missed. It may have been more than you think! But good effort none the less!
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon! will do 🙂
Hello I have Lumix S5 mark II and i can't open RAW files in Lightroom, previous I have S5 and there is no problem with them...
You have a brand new camera that's not supported yet! Give it time, Adobe support will come soon
Thank you, G L. I hope you have more on this s5ii in the near future. I'd like to follow you as I will get this tonight.
11/24 US you can buy S5II package from Panasonic direct with 20-60mm and 50mm for $2,000.
I'd look for deals during black friday
Panasonic is like AMD. They lag on something for a while, show up put of the blue, leave a horse's head in Intel's bed, and go on to capture market share from there. It's neat to watch and I love that they do it. Can't wait for whatever comes next in the GH line, or the range topping S1.
That's a great comment, I love it!
Thanks for the review. Hope to see the phase detect in upcoming MFT bodies.
Me too, although obviously Olympus already has PDAF in MFT
@@cameralabs true, but the OM-1 is a great looking but pricey camera. The fact it does not come with a battery charger and that a spare batter is $99 usd is not selling me on that camera at the moment. Hoping for a value priced G9 replacement with some phase detect autofocus goodness. The OM-5 seems to be a bit of a joke so I worry if OM systems will be in MFT game for the long run. Now hoping for a price drop on the OM-1 or something cool from Panasonic in the MFT world. The reviews of this camera seem to be very positive so it looks like Panasonic is really focused on improving their game. This can only be good news for the consumer. I've been an olympus shooter for a long time, but Panasonic could sure tempt me if the price is competitive.
If they can make an MFT version of this camera I think it would sell a ton to those of use who already have MFT glass. The fact this is full frame and right around $2000 usd gives me a lot of hope for a cool and affordable MFT camera from Panasonic in the not too distant future. A stripped down MFT camera with phase detect and the GH6 sensor would be something I would really consider and please don't make us buy a battery charger separately like OM systems. Seems like panasonic has the stabilization nearly up to Olympus levels. Here's hoping this camera comes along soon. This S5 ii gives me a lot of hope of what we will see from Panasonic soon. Also, the recent addition if th 9mm f1.7 shows me Panasonic is still thinking about MFT.
Wow, it seems the mirrorless world has reached cruise speed. So many impressive new kits from practically all brands!
Thank you for detailed review!
I found some discussion on DPReview, where people arguing that RAW compression is in fact, lossy (don't remember if it was with S5 or S5 II). But there's no proper tests or whatnot, to prove or disprove that claim.
I'm trying to look into this further
Most folks have been touting the video strengths but wow pretty awesome for photos too. I have one on the way.
Yep, I always like to show what cameras can do for photography when the rest of TH-cam seems to concentrate on the video! That said, I'm still working on my review of the video features!
Great review! I’m considering selling my Fuji equipment and switching to full frame based on the S5 II. I don’t feel the need for crazy resolutions and the system seems to be all I need.
Why sell a perfectly good system? What doesn't it do that you need to switch?
@@cameralabs Because Fuji reached the limit of what is doable in the aps-c world with the latest sensor. I didn’t have the chance to test it, but I did the maths. In fact, any aperture smaller than f/9 will eat up that great resolution due to diffraction on that high-density sensor. The laws of physics are unavoidable. Not so great for landscape photography, which should take advantage of the more detailed images. Another point is low light performance. Taking decent photos at ISO 6400 or even 12800 is huge - the Fuji system starts to fall apart at this stage. I live up north and have to deal with low light for at least six months a year. I sticked with my X-T3 since I’m not into video and the X-T4 didn’t provide any real advantage to me. I considered to purchase the new X-T5, but, as mentioned above, I think it’s already too much, or at least on the edge of what makes sense and further development of the system will be very difficult, whereas in full frame there’s still a lot of space for improvement.
@@bartoszpajak2285 I read comments by many people who just want to swap brands or change for the hell of it, but your comment shows you have thought it through and considered what will be best for you. Good luck with it!
Thanks for a great review Gordon. It helped me finalize my decision to buy the Lumiz S5ll. Waiting for the pkg to arrive! Happy Holidays!
Hope you enjoy it! Check out the multitude of Sigma L mount lenses for it!
very good and in-depth review. top job mate
Thanks!
Excellent. Answered all my questions. I'm intrigued enough to consider purchasing. Thanks Gordon!
You're welcome!
Gordon, I absolutely love your approach to camera and lens reviews. I'd love to see you do a follow up video on the S5ii for it's latest firmware update, since it seems some of these things have changed or improved a significant margin. Regardless, love the content.
Thanks! I actually got about halfway through a review of the video features but got distracted! I'll hopefully pick it back up again and include some new fw tests, like the improved video stabilisation
Hallelujah! PDAF in a Panasonic. Next question-will there be an MFT camera with PDAF? How ironic that Panasonic introduced pre-burst shooting, but Canon is the FF option with pre-burst shooting now. Thank you for yet another brilliant review. 😀
Well of course there already are MFTs with PDAF - from Olympus - but i know what you mean and have asked the question! I think they'll judge it by demand on this one.
I just came back with from Japan with my S5 in tote with the f/4 16-35mm lens. I really like the colors I get from the Panasonic. However, the DFD only focus made it difficult to film myself. Also, with the 16-35mm f/4 it made it tricky to take some shots in low light.
After I came back I picked up a Sony A7 IV. The reason being 1 the auto focus is much better and there are a lot more lens available in E-mount.
Had I known this was coming out and if there was a 16-35mm f/2.4 lens coming out in L mount, I probably would have stayed with Panasonic. I prefer the handling a little more on the S5 body and I like the colors out natively better on the S5 over the A7 IV. The S5II auto focus looks improved enough that I would have considered it.
I'm interested to hear about the choice of lenses. It's true Sony has a LOT of choice, especially with third parties including Tamron. Do you feel Sigma and Panasonic's own ranges have significant gaps for you personally? I know I can reel off some models they don't have, but how many would you actually want? I'm just wondering how complete L mount is for lenses for other people. Sigma is releasing a lot and is not slowing down!
@@cameralabs the biggest hole for me is the lack of a 16-35mm f/2.4. I do like doing street photography and architecture, so having a fast lens is important to me. The Sigma 12-24mm f/2.4 is just a little to short for me.
After I came back from Japan I wished that I had a longer lens like a 24-70mm. Also I wish I had better video auto focus, the S5 fluttered too much for my liking. I am going to keep my s5 for when I want to try some astro photography and for landscapes.
For doing probably 90% stills photography, would you recommend the S5ii or the S1? The G9 is my current camera for stills and I like the fact that the S1 is basically a full frame G9. Although for a bit more, I could get the even higher resolution S1R.
I would expect an updated s1r in the next year, so look for good prices. But if 24mp is enough, tge s5ii is tremendous value, and if you don't need pdaf, look for deals on original s5 which has similar af to your g9
Please tell me how to set up the camera so that it immediately shoots without a magenta tint. So that you can immediately post it on social networks. What settings need to be changed? I am newbie
Why does it have a magenta tint? Make sure your white balance is set to Auto and you're using the standard or natural styles.
Hi Gordon! Thank you very much for your review. I have been a Fuji shooter for a couple of years for commercial work. Currently, I use the X-T5 for photos and the X-H2s for videos. I am considering replacing my X-T5 with a full-frame camera. I am not satisfied with the low-light quality when shooting events without flash; my maximum satisfactory ISO performance is 3200. Do you think that the S5iiX will be an upgrade? I want to keep the X-H2s because I have plenty of lenses, but I am really eager to try a full-frame camera. Another concern is that Fuji lenses are not optimized for video, with issues like focus-by-wire and focus breathing. On Lumix cameras, I really like the ability to use custom LUTs, which is opposite to the experience with the Sony 7 IV - another camera I am considering. I recently photographed an event with my friend who had an A7 III with the cheapest 50mm lens, and I was surprised by the quality compared to my X-T5. Thank you
A full frame with the same res and lens aperture will only give you a stop or two over APSC. Depends how much you want that.
I so have to retire my D810 and get this Lumix beauty. Brilliant review Gordon! Glad I came upon your channel!
Glad you found my channel!
Thank you for another thorough review! Very useful. One suggestion I would have for your videos would be to add a SOOC colour test for skin tone in your camera reviews, if you have the possibility. There's a lot of difference in quality between different models when it comes to that aspect, especially for darker skin tones: some make ligther people look a bit green, some make darker people look very orange. For instance, the Lumix S5 II seems to perform really well on that front, but it'd be nice to see a systematic comparison with other cameras.
That would be good, but I don't have access to many models or volunteers
@@cameralabs That's ok, it was just a suggestion :) Keep on with the great work!
Thanks for doing a photography-oriented review. Great stuff!
You're welcome!
Great detailed review as usual Gordon! It was great meeting you in Japan
Thanks Richard, great meeting you too! So nice to reconnect with people from NZ!
Gordon, you are the BEST camera reviewer - by far - on TH-cam. Another thorough, amazing job. Also appreciate the comparison with likely rivals from Canon and Sony. Thank you.
Thanks, you're very welcome!
After having both the S5 and S5 II for a couple of months, I decided to sell my original S5 (after owning it for 5 months) since it spent more time sitting on the shelf. The S5 II's new auto focus is the compelling feature for me.
S5 is tempting for the one most usable focal 25 70 2.8 lens in addition for around1500dollars
How do you think the lumix would preform in low light event photography or weddings? I’m interesting in the Sony, but the lumix caught my eye.
I think it would be fine as you can see from my results in the video!
I am very upset that on the s5ii there is no more post focus of 6k photo mode. Will probably get the first model now...
Hang on, they might add it in a firmware update. We've asked for it
Thank you. This is the best comparison of the pixel shift mode I've found. It really seems to be a large improvement under the right circumstances.
Yep, if the subject isn't moving, it can do a great job.
Gordon, my compliments for this fantastic, well-spoken, dense and all-encompassing review! No fluff, no self-aggrandizing, no posturing, no childish noises, side-comments or constant veering off-topic on your channel, just straight forward, highly concentrated and very competent reviewing, analysis and background information delivery. Top-notch; thank you so much for this thorough, comprehensive and enjoyable review!
Thanks, glad you like my approach!
I agree... I appreciate all those qualities too. I'm going to subscribe.
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
I didn't notice moire issues, but I do show res charts in this video which would trigger it
The best real world review i have seen on this camera! Thanks for your massive effort on this. Now subscribed!
Thanks, it was a lot of work!
Gordon, great review and superb amount of information. This looks like a very nice upgrade. I did wonder whether Panasonic would ever move to phase detect. In previous years I would have been frustrated by this upgrade as a S5 owner, but my S5 is more than I need for photos along with the 20-60 + 70-300. If they did finally decide to make a G9 mkii with phase detection, this would be awesome for motorsport with the 2:1 focal length, and a tempting buy as a 2nd camera.
Thanks, yes, I hope it comes to MFT as well.
Great comparasion and review. I'd be happy to see some portrait comparasion between these 3, also some grading test to see the color science
Hi Gordon. Thank you for this review. What are your thoughts between Lumix S5ii compared to XH2s both for photography and videography?
I'd base a lot of it on which system speaks to you more. The overall system including lens selection and pricing. Both are great options.
I was hoping you would have the mechanical shutter sound as I capture a lot of quiet moments and often use electronic shutter to not disturb the scene
Yeah, sorry about that ALTHOUGH you can hear it in my focus bracket demo near the end.
@@cameralabs Ah yes and it is quite loud. Damn
At 18:50 mins, shot of Instax cameras, I bet we would all get more keepers using one of those.
22:50 really nice garden!
Holy Bejus thanks so much for making a photography review! Everyone else seems to think this is a camcorder! Did you try the LUT feature in this camera? I am rally interested in this for photography so I can get presentable jpgs straight out of the camera, no editing required.
Thanks! I haven't tried the realtime LUT for photography yet but I think microfournerds or pavsv have
@@cameralabs ah yes microfournerds talked about it in detail. Brilliant review as well. Thanks!
@@VynZography it's a really good channel - tell 'em I sent you there!
Great review! For wildlife, bird and macro videography, using the new Sigma 60-600mm, would you go with the Panasonic Lumix S5II or Sony A7IV? Thanks!
That's a tough one. Are you asking which has the better animal detection in video? I think Sony's might be a bit better right now, but the S5 II has other video benefits which could be useful to you.
@@cameralabs yes definitely a tough one. Sony does seem to have an edge in the animal detection department but wonder if the S5II's other benefits overcome that advantage. Also concerned about potential overheating on the A7IV. Also am wondering if the S5II X is worth waiting for. Thanks!
@@wildlifehouse Since the S5II X has already been teased, I'd say it's worth waiting a couple of months if you're on the fence. It's mostly about recording options though as far as I understand.
@@cameralabs okay, thanks!
I am still loving my G9 and GX9. But then I will move into Panny's FF. Time to let go of my A7III
Thanks for video. I bought this purely for noise reduction as have Affinity for geberal usage.
Wow am amazed at the autofocus, only thing I miss with the L mount is a good L Mount telephoto zoom lens like 50-250 or something like the Tamron 28-200, even 35-150
Sigma just announced a 60-600 today!
@@cameralabs I checked that out am out looking for a travel option. Panasonic only has the 70-300 which may fit that scenario but it's huge too. I love the Tamron 28-200 for travel paired with the Sigma 16-28 on Sony
@@cameralabs It is really a hard to beat combo on the sony because 16-28 is great for video on gimbal, and landscape s, and the Tamron works well whenever I need more range, and everything being compact in a descent small-medium backpack , with space for DJI mini 3 pro
As always, a fantastic review, Gordon! I totally agree with the comparisons you tested here in this video, but I think a strong battle would be the S-5iiX VS Fujifilm XH2s. Fuji has the LUMIX covered at every turn with the stacked sensor, no rolling shutter, no crop in higher video frame rates, 4K 60 and 120, CF Express card, Fuji colours, much faster shutter for outdoor wide open shooting, and the lists goes on. However, there is always that question mark of FF vs APSC with respect to depth of field, low light and noise. Through one of your reviews, I think it would be a great question to attempt to answer of giving up the much better camera (the Fuji), for that full frame advantage which is a real thing!
Anyway, just a suggestion. Thanks again for your hard work, Gordon. ✌️
That's a great idea for a comparison. The XH2S will be stronger on the feature set thanks to the smaller sensor, but the other benefits could outweigh it. I'm doing a video based review at the moment, concentrating on full frame rivals, but I'll mention the XH2S and maybe do a proper comparison later.
@@cameralabs Thanks for the reply! Glad you’re considering the suggestion. It’s an age old debate (FF vs APSC), but I think it’s only getting better with how good processors and sensors are getting these days! I’ll look out for the review. Thanks again. ✌️
Love mine for PHOTOS. Used to only use it for VIDEO but, just took it out to shoot some stills the other day. Video of the photos on my page, under the playlist CAMERA BASED.
Yet another exhaustive and fine review Gordon! Thank you so much! And snow in Brighton !!?? Regards form snowy Sweden !
It did get a little frosty here!
Thank you for a superb, thorough review. What firmware version did your Panasonic Lumix S5 II have? What do you think of the ease of use of the menus of the S5 II, R6 II, and A7 IV?
Great review and comparison.
Is there an option to close the shutter when the camera is turned off like on the A7IV?
I don't think so
I loved your review of the s5 ii compared to the a7V and to Canon R6 ii.... I have your book which i enjoy.. I don't think the video was long. Anything you are interested in gives you interest. Please put more pauses in between sentences otherwise some of us will find it hard to follow! But that is just me...😅 37:50 😅
Thanks for watching!
Yet another great video Gordon just two questions can it photos stack and has it got Wi-Fi phone connection.
Yes it has Wifi to your phone. Yes it can focus bracket, but no it won't stack them. Yes it has pixel shift and yes it can stack them. I mention this in the video.
Hello Gordon. After hearing about Samyang joining the L-mount alliance today I jumped right on to TH-cam to check out your photography focused reviews. From your uses, for photography would you go with Canon R6/6ii or s5ii? I shoot mostly landscape and travel. Sometimes a little action with birds. Ergonomics of canon is hard to beat but this Panasonic looks close!
Everything I know about them both is in this review! The Lumix is looking strong, especially with all the Sigma lenses.
@@cameralabs cheers Gordon. The addition of Samyang is an added bonus now. I'll have to try get my hands on the s5ii and feel the ergonomics for myself 👍
welll well this is very very exciting! What if Theoretically a person could have a custom V-log to S-log LUT in their S5mk2 camera and be able to smoothly shoot alongside Sony cameras as well? Hmmm
Another great review! IMO the best place to come for straight forward honest reviews which absolutely helps “normal” enthusiasts like me to think about their purchase decisions based on their own needs and requirements 👍💪👌
Thabks, I always try to be calm and unbiased!
can you go over your whole settings for this camera?
I use all the default settings
@@cameralabs can I see them lloll
I'm going to upgrade from a GH5, but I'm nervous to pull the trigger without know it's going to do all the things the GH5 did? I mostly shoot video, but I do the odd photo shoot for product photography (some macro). Anything I should be aware of?
It doesn't have 6k photo
What if one can buy the a7 iv for the same price as s5 ii? A7 IV goes on sale now and then such as right now in my region. The body of both cameras can be had for 1999 and the basic kit of both cameras can be had for 2199 in my region. I also expect a7 IV price to go down gradually even without sales to match S5 II if Sony deems necessary to keep their market position.
Sony also has multiple upgrade paths to different models whereas Panasonic only has one camera with phase detect so there is nothing to upgrade to.
Unfortunately Sony seems not to get good ratings for it's ergonomy, the screen, overheating and ibis.
I'd say it boils down to lenses, which ones are available, which ones you can afford, think about the whole system
@@cameralabs I will look into the lenses options in more detail. But I think I can't predict beforehand which lens I will need exactly.
I don't have a full frame camera at the moment. I want to switch to full frame for better landscape, nature, outdoor portrait, street and travel photography and start with video too.
I have to consider Sony ecosystem, cheap lenses, other available Sony bodies as upgrade paths, 33mpix and second hand market.
I still like the ergonomy, display, video options and IBIS of s5 II better. But it's the only phase detect camera which Panasonic has. So there is nothing to upgrade to at the moment..if you don't like S5 II, you're stuck with L mount lenses on the only body with phase detect that Panasonic has.
I want to order S5 II with 20-60 mm and then get more lenses. However, I'm not sure it's a rational decision long term considering the Sony and E-mount ecosystem as a competition. On the other hand if I get a7 IV I'm worried I'll be regretting it every time when I see the low resolution screen of the a7IV and it's IBIS performance. As an amateur, handheld video means a lot to me.
@@marceln2 are you able to pick up both in person before hand? A lot can be influenced by how they look and feel to you personally.
@@cameralabs I held a7 III, a7 IV , a7r IV and a7r V.
I didn't love the screen nor viewfinder on a7 IV. Canon R7 or a7R V screens looked much nicer.
Other than that a7 IV felt surprisingly compact.
I will try to get hold of s5 II somewhere to see if I like it better.
I didn't find S5 II in any local store yet. Only S5 mark 1.
@@marceln2 it looks and feels like an S5 Mark I in your hands
Hi Gordon, are you planning to make video review focused on video as well?
I hope so, but will wait for s5 ii x