I can’t lie, I LOVE Civil War. Mostly because of Zemo. He was just such a great villain. He knew he couldn’t kill the Avengers since he’s just a normal guy, so we had to get them to kill each over. Revenge is quite a overused, boring motive but he was still a great villain. I can’t wait to see more of him in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.
He's a great villain don't get me wrong but I still think that the movie would be better if they changed the plot a little to make it so they fight each other because they simply disagree and when this happened lies and cover ups were reveled
@@ic0nix_107 I understand that comedy is something that should be in movies but when it comes to the MCU there doesn’t need to be comedy every 5 seconds. I thought Ragnarok was also S tier, probably the second best of them all, I would agree. I just thought Strange was cool, especially since he’s a really powerful superhero.
@HaqAttack _ 9 Black Panther was boring as shit. Honestly the storyline was good, but it was too dramatic and the animated CGI was the worst CGI of them all. Good movie, just needed better story and animation and it would’ve been perfect. I thought the villain was cool, but he was more desperate than any other villain I’ve seen.
Honestly I feel Robert Downey has one of the best success stories ever, he came back from a drug addiction which is pretty much unheard of in the show business and helped start one the biggest franchises in movie history.
In iron man 3 he realized he was more than the suit, it developed his character probably the biggest leap between the playboy hot shot to the father role he took for peter. He never said he would give up the suit that why it was clean slate starting over again. I enjoyed it a lot those were my reasons
@@wyattschaffer2528 bro uncle bens dead 🤨. Also CLEARLY iron man is a father figure to peter because he's always trying tk show he can help, show he can be an avenger, and he played a huge role far from home for peter also. You clearly haven't watched the movies
They kinda suck in the MCU both are super cool in the comics. Black widow is another super soldier like cap and Hawkeye can shoot arrows like a machine gun with 1000lbs of force.
@@MasonBarker-iy6kb I mean black widow legit is the sustain of a avengers she always reunites them and like she still is a good fighter and all that she just great imo
Bennidect Cummberbatch plays a very good role as an arrogant genius and Dr Strange feels like a role made for him. (The BBC Sherlock shows this perfectly)
Bro how is the ending to civil war forced? It makes PERFECT sense. If I found out someone I'm close to didn't tell me what happened to my parents and that it's someone he knows that killed them my first instinct would be to immediately go after him
@@eziospaghettiauditore8369 Dude still, that was their blood in his hands, he might not have had most of the fault but he still doesn't even say like "dude look I'm very sorry Hydra used me to kill your parents, I really can't do anything about it so let's just end Zemo's plan already so we both have our revenge" like no, he literally just taunted him, worst yet Cap didn't even tell him, that's like betrayal to one of the worst points
Hela was a great villain for what she was given, I kind of wish she came back because she's just so terrifying, played by a fantastic actress, and strong af
right! When he said she was the worst part I was like ok can’t really trust the credibility of his statements. She wasn’t a villain for villains sake but anyways they better bring her back, she deserves more storyline.
@General Skywalker Quicksilver didn’t do anything in the Avengers. He died the first movie he was introduced. Quicksilver in the x-men movies actually did something. Like breaking magneto out of his cell and saving a school full of children.
I love how Captain Marvel’s excuse for not being at most of Endgame / Infinity War was that she had to deal with other things. Like what? What was more important than some guy about to kill off half of the universe? Was there someone about to kill off all of it?
@@kapski_ for me, the most annoying thing about that movie is that fury says he is from S.H.I.E.L.D but as we all know they didn't make that name before 2008 aka the first iron man. SO ANNOYING
@Deon Bailey actually, the problem is that she *isn’t* going to be in every MCU movie. She is super overpowered, so every time she’s not there to face some big threat they’re going to have to come up with some wacky explanation for why she isn’t helping.
Holy shit man finally I find someone who’s favorite mcu movie is guardians of the galaxy. By FAR the best movie in the mcu. The feeling that movie gave me before, during, and after watching just doesn’t compare to anything else.
I don’t think it’s the best, but I can respect that you think it’s the best cuz I like it too. But IMO “by far” is a stretch. Winter soldier, civil war, infinity war, ragnarok, FFH were all really good as well and i don’t think they were worse by far compared to GOTG
In terms of iron man 3 him blowing up the suits wasn't supposed to be him throwing away being iron man it was supposed to be a reset/ coean slate for him. He didn't need to build 100's of suits and he could move forwards from the trauma and stuff instead of being stuck in that past mindset
21:10 I didn't cry at that scene, but when they gave him a Ravager funeral, complete with Cat Stevens' Father and Son, oh boy did the waterworks flow. Honestly WandaVision is peak MCU 23:55 Ronan being a boring villain works in GotG, he's the contrast to the extremely light tone. It also makes him susceptible to Peter's Confusion Fu.
Your tier list is like just like mine))) Especially with the Guardians and Infinity war! I still remember the feeling that i got in cinema😄forever in my heart))
16:44 I understand what you mean, but he was mainly hating Cap and Bucky because Cap didnt tell Tony that Bucky killed his parents, Cap knew about Tony's parents death, but because he didnt tell him got him all angry
I loved Far From Home for all the reasons you said AND I thought it was interesting how they highlighted the people that hated Iron Man. I feel as viewers we could assume some people hate Iron Man but i was cool actually seeing that play out through Mysterio and the other ex employees
I disagree with the iron man 2 placement. It's actually my second favorite marvel movie. Whiplash wasnt that bad, and Tony discovering the new element wasnt too unbelievable either. He was always smart.
Okay but in the first minute he broke my heart by saying he hated Kat. Nah but i agree with most of these, age of ultron should have been higher tho, especially since Wanda vision put a lot more into perspective. Edit; thinking about it now I don’t agree with a lot of these lmao
You pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about Captain Marvel as a character. It’s the same issue I have with Superman typically, once you introduce such a powerful character it kind of throws off every other conflict and like you said, drags down the universe a bit. The scene that really opened my eyes to this was the girl power scene in Endgame. Like you could’ve had some awesome action with Nebula and Gamora leading the charge of the female characters, passing the gauntlet around like a football, showcasing all of their powers, and giving each a little time to shine, and it would even work as a bit of a callback to Nebula playing paper football in the opening with Tony. Instead, you build up this kick ass charge scene with the MCU ladies, just to have Captain Marvel blow through it all... like no Okoye she doesn’t got help because she doesn’t need it apparently. I think they could’ve fixed this issue by making her powers somewhat like Thor. Reserve her Binary mode as her extra super powered strength that is only unlocked on occasion, like Thor in Wakanda, and have it be something limited. That way it’s not overpowered in universe, and when she does go Binary it feels like more of an event and almost urgent that she makes the most out of it while it lasts.
No one knew who that kid at Tony starks funeral was bc he looks like a whole different person there compared to iron man 3. Also u dont get a good look at him anyway, just a quick glance. (Btw not hating on this tierlist just in case u think this comment sounds a bit aggressive lol)
mcu thanos is such an amazing villain. i feel like i could write a whole page about what makes thanos a great villain, everything from his motivations to how it's connected with his background story. especially when compared to darkseid who is (just like hela) evil for the sake of being evil
I am Macro, man.
HOLY SHIT HE'S MACRO, MAN.
Wow
The reason the ancient one wasn’t Asian was because they were based on something insensitive
Hello Macro man
I suck monkes
Flash Thompson is played by you, Macro, don’t lie to us.
bro i re watched the spiderman movies a bit ago and I was like, hold on does macro have a twin brother who acts?
I feel like the only one who think they look nothing alike
@HaqAttack _ 9 r/Ihadastroke btw
A fellow Pepsi dog man
@HaqAttack _ 9 you had about 4 or more when I checked, I don't have reddit, and haven't been seven since I was seven, and you edited both.
Just realized now why I recognize Macro... he looks like the actor who plays flash in Spider-Man
I knoooooooooow I thought the same thing!
I know right?
That is such a hot and creative take
IKR
Like, I swear when I first saw Macro in my recommendations I was just like: “FLASH?!”
Did you know he made a video called flash thompson where he does his hair to look like the actor for real mate
I can’t lie, I LOVE Civil War. Mostly because of Zemo. He was just such a great villain. He knew he couldn’t kill the Avengers since he’s just a normal guy, so we had to get them to kill each over. Revenge is quite a overused, boring motive but he was still a great villain. I can’t wait to see more of him in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.
Yeah honestly great plot
Its very good especially the main fight scene
Civil war is the second best marvel movie and it’s great I’m sad that he put it in a tier.
He's a great villain don't get me wrong but I still think that the movie would be better if they changed the plot a little to make it so they fight each other because they simply disagree and when this happened lies and cover ups were reveled
My man put guardians 2 on S and put civil war on A smh
“I think doctor strange is underrated”
b tier
*what*
Doctor Strange (the movie itself) is an easy S tier. It’s literally one of the best MCU movies, behind Infinity War. This is my opinion by the way.
@@Thane_Lindsay to me ragnarok is the best movie hands down hilarious and doesnt lack action and the character arcs of thor valk hulk and loki
yeah macro is piece of shit for this tire list
@@ic0nix_107 I understand that comedy is something that should be in movies but when it comes to the MCU there doesn’t need to be comedy every 5 seconds. I thought Ragnarok was also S tier, probably the second best of them all, I would agree. I just thought Strange was cool, especially since he’s a really powerful superhero.
@HaqAttack _ 9 Black Panther was boring as shit. Honestly the storyline was good, but it was too dramatic and the animated CGI was the worst CGI of them all. Good movie, just needed better story and animation and it would’ve been perfect. I thought the villain was cool, but he was more desperate than any other villain I’ve seen.
Honestly I feel Robert Downey has one of the best success stories ever, he came back from a drug addiction which is pretty much unheard of in the show business and helped start one the biggest franchises in movie history.
There are ton of celebs who had the same tho
THE biggest franchise actually
@@AustinsEdits depends
@Pugko They meant that coming back from a drug addiction was unheard of, not that he had one.
@@AustinsEdits well, not quite, you still got star wars, Harry potter, and LOTR to name a few subjectively competitive franchises.
Ngl everytime he put flash Thompson on screen I thought it was a mirror
In iron man 3 he realized he was more than the suit, it developed his character probably the biggest leap between the playboy hot shot to the father role he took for peter. He never said he would give up the suit that why it was clean slate starting over again. I enjoyed it a lot those were my reasons
You SPOILER
@@nikkosides6368 one you watched a vid on all the movies dont complain. Two it came out in 2013 dont get mad at me because you havent seen it
@@nikkosides6368 boo hoo bro get out of the past its 2021 who hasnt seen iron man 3
@@noelreyyy tony is not a father figure to peter. Uncle ben is
@@wyattschaffer2528 bro uncle bens dead 🤨. Also CLEARLY iron man is a father figure to peter because he's always trying tk show he can help, show he can be an avenger, and he played a huge role far from home for peter also. You clearly haven't watched the movies
“I saw the movie 6 times in the theater”
Me thinking, he walked out after watching it and walked right back into to watch again
Macro: Black widow and Hawkeye don’t have powers why are they there?
Iron man: am I a joke to you?
My man they didn't anything special too, but iron man plays a important role in the entire MCU.
They kinda suck in the MCU both are super cool in the comics. Black widow is another super soldier like cap and Hawkeye can shoot arrows like a machine gun with 1000lbs of force.
@@MasonBarker-iy6kb I mean black widow legit is the sustain of a avengers she always reunites them and like she still is a good fighter and all that she just great imo
It’s because he’s rich
I like Black Widow but Hawkeye can die and I won’t care.
The way he didn’t talk about Black Widow at all during endgame 😭😭😭
Bennidect Cummberbatch plays a very good role as an arrogant genius and Dr Strange feels like a role made for him. (The BBC Sherlock shows this perfectly)
Yeah for sure
Totally agree with that
Thanos vrs dr strange in infinity war was so sick
Bungalow
Definitely, he also made a great job at the movie The Imitation Game where he acted as Alan Turing
When u talked bout Tony's Funeral and the Iron Man 3 kid i saw someone in the chat say "Iron mans dide?"
That’s so fuckin funny too bad for that guy 😭😂
@Abhijay Thakur nah he stuck in 2008
4:29
That's the timestamp for anyone wondering
Bro how is the ending to civil war forced? It makes PERFECT sense. If I found out someone I'm close to didn't tell me what happened to my parents and that it's someone he knows that killed them my first instinct would be to immediately go after him
Because Tony is smart and knows that he was mind controlled.
Which Steve didn't bother telling Tony for no reason
@@eziospaghettiauditore8369 so emotions win over smart 99 percent of the time
@@eziospaghettiauditore8369 Dude still, that was their blood in his hands, he might not have had most of the fault but he still doesn't even say like "dude look I'm very sorry Hydra used me to kill your parents, I really can't do anything about it so let's just end Zemo's plan already so we both have our revenge" like no, he literally just taunted him, worst yet Cap didn't even tell him, that's like betrayal to one of the worst points
@@noobmasters6913 yes
Couldn't agree more
The Winter Soldier is the best marvel movie hands down, a masterpiece
🧢. Infinity war is
I fucking agree
Endgame, infinity War, civil war, ragnarok, guardians 1 & 2, and avengers were all better better
@@astrothunder3580 nah
@Pugko is ass
Tier list videos be like : this person is pretty solid there reliable,strong, and a great support but imma have to this one in c tier
Hela was a great villain for what she was given, I kind of wish she came back because she's just so terrifying, played by a fantastic actress, and strong af
right! When he said she was the worst part I was like ok can’t really trust the credibility of his statements. She wasn’t a villain for villains sake but anyways they better bring her back, she deserves more storyline.
I want hela again to come back too
@AREEN PANDA she would undefeatable if she didn’t die from Asgard’s explosion.
when you said hela was 'evil because she was evil.'
She was evil because of Odin's decision to stop their conquest of the nine realms
She was always evil even before Odin’s actions
@@richjc7004 because Odin was a terrible father and only taught her to fight and conquer
@@richjc7004 She was evil because Odin taught her to be
The Winter Soldier has the best, most visceral action scenes in any of the MCU movies.
Good tier list. I mostly agree. Love this movie series and Marvel in general. Glad you did this tier list. Keep them coming.
And we can all agree, quicksilver was way better in the X-men movies
Quicksilver was the goat
Oh my God he's on another plane of exitance compared to the avengers one
@General Skywalker Quicksilver didn’t do anything in the Avengers. He died the first movie he was introduced. Quicksilver in the x-men movies actually did something. Like breaking magneto out of his cell and saving a school full of children.
@General Skywalker really? Hmm ok
You are truly addicted with tier lists
Macro tier list video tier list!
is that a problem with you
And he isn't even that good at making them
Poor Thor The Dark World just keeps getting bullied lmao.
But yeah, it’s still a joke.
wasnt as bad as captian marvel in my eyes
Yeah it’s the only Mcu movie that I watched which I just couldn’t like
@@shahinsarhangy1958 yeah it wasnt good.. captian marvel isnt far away from it tho
We didn't expect it but man did we all appreciate it.
When u have watched it on twitch and can now watch it on TH-cam
I love how Captain Marvel’s excuse for not being at most of Endgame / Infinity War was that she had to deal with other things. Like what?
What was more important than some guy about to kill off half of the universe? Was there someone about to kill off all of it?
because she didn't expect it nor did she know that thanos would come back
I hate Captain Marvel so much, I didn’t like her movie, I don’t like her as a character, and she’s also a huge plot hole.
Yeah I hate her because that’s gonna be the excuse every time some big villain comes “uh she was in space”
@@kapski_ for me, the most annoying thing about that movie is that fury says he is from S.H.I.E.L.D but as we all know they didn't make that name before 2008 aka the first iron man. SO ANNOYING
@Deon Bailey actually, the problem is that she *isn’t* going to be in every MCU movie. She is super overpowered, so every time she’s not there to face some big threat they’re going to have to come up with some wacky explanation for why she isn’t helping.
Holy shit man finally I find someone who’s favorite mcu movie is guardians of the galaxy. By FAR the best movie in the mcu. The feeling that movie gave me before, during, and after watching just doesn’t compare to anything else.
Everybody thinks goth is high tier mcu movies but movies like civil war and infinity war still prob beat it out
Both GOTG movies have a special something that other MCU movies lack.
I don’t think it’s the best, but I can respect that you think it’s the best cuz I like it too. But IMO “by far” is a stretch. Winter soldier, civil war, infinity war, ragnarok, FFH were all really good as well and i don’t think they were worse by far compared to GOTG
I’ve seen Guardians 1 and 2 infinite times, by far my favorite movies.
Civil War and Far from Home being on the same tier hurts my soul
I totally agree with the best avengers movie, guardians of the galaxy is so GOOD, and the music is even better
It's literally my favorite movie of all time
What how?!?! I just think it is not good it's just not
There will never be another movie as epic as infinity war. It is marvel at its peak, easily my favorite movie of all time
I’ve being waiting for this tier list for a long time
Let’s goo actually a really good video
Ok I agree with everything but one thing Darsy from Thor is the best one of my favorite characters ever
Exactly
She is the worst character ever and her jokes are too corny.
She was great in WandaVision and the actor is great and all but her dialogues are so weirdly written.
She reminds me of killjoy from valorant lmao
@@smallfryskilledge1550 her jokes are corny most of the times but she’s the only one who had a soul in the entirety of dark world at least lmao
remember when people actually thought macro played as flash in homecoming?
Ayyyy Filipino gang where u at! Didn't expect the shoutout from Macro lmaooo
omg u did this
Now all we need is a disney+ show where Luis explains every marvel movie in 10-20 minutes each
In terms of iron man 3 him blowing up the suits wasn't supposed to be him throwing away being iron man it was supposed to be a reset/ coean slate for him. He didn't need to build 100's of suits and he could move forwards from the trauma and stuff instead of being stuck in that past mindset
One of my favorite videos by you
Thankyou for creating the perfect marvel tier list
21:10 I didn't cry at that scene, but when they gave him a Ravager funeral, complete with Cat Stevens' Father and Son, oh boy did the waterworks flow.
Honestly WandaVision is peak MCU
23:55 Ronan being a boring villain works in GotG, he's the contrast to the extremely light tone. It also makes him susceptible to Peter's Confusion Fu.
Bruh that wakanda scene where cap and black panther are just legging it in front of people in the battle had me giggling in my seat
Watching you talk about some of these scenes literally gave me goosebumps.
i’m so glad this was on my page
I think Iron Man 2 is underrated, that movie is so fun
Guardians of the galaxy is a masterpiece. Both movies are. Can’t top them
OMG that’s who the young guy standing in the back of the funeral was...I’ve wondered to this day! Thank you! I’m subscribing 😂
Your tier list is like just like mine))) Especially with the Guardians and Infinity war! I still remember the feeling that i got in cinema😄forever in my heart))
16:44 I understand what you mean, but he was mainly hating Cap and Bucky because Cap didnt tell Tony that Bucky killed his parents, Cap knew about Tony's parents death, but because he didnt tell him got him all angry
Bucky was used soooooo well in Cap American
The fact like he loses his memory was very nice I loved it
Elite tier list creator. If I could have a TH-cam career, I would strictly make tier lists😂
Thank you Macro, man!
yo im early whatsup macro like the tshirt
avengers is easily A tier. such a rewatchable movie. it never gets old and is so fun
This tier list made me have a heart attack
I loved Far From Home for all the reasons you said AND I thought it was interesting how they highlighted the people that hated Iron Man. I feel as viewers we could assume some people hate Iron Man but i was cool actually seeing that play out through Mysterio and the other ex employees
The two reasons they killed off quicksilver
1. Marvel and fox were fighting over his rights (because he was in x men dofp)
2. He was too overpowered
And then they create Captain Marvel just to be a hindrance to the rest of the MCU
Can you do a Miyazaki movie tier list? I just watched howls moving castle and loved it
Thank you for the Filipino shout out LOL, yeah Lumpia is really good, you should try also the Filipino dish named Sisig.
Yondu gave me Omni Man vibes, dude I completely agree with this list dude
Wakanda Forever (rest in peace Mr. Boseman)
Trash movie
@@thisperson8315 lol xd
I disagree with the iron man 2 placement. It's actually my second favorite marvel movie. Whiplash wasnt that bad, and Tony discovering the new element wasnt too unbelievable either. He was always smart.
LOVE THIS
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is my favorite movie of all time. I seriously can not understand people not liking this amazing movie
Marvel was like man lets kill quicksilver so no dc fans would say we copied them
This is literally my tier list, how the hell did you replicate it?
It's crazy how good this list is, I'd love to see where the shows fit in on the list
LEGEND
Okay but in the first minute he broke my heart by saying he hated Kat. Nah but i agree with most of these, age of ultron should have been higher tho, especially since Wanda vision put a lot more into perspective.
Edit; thinking about it now I don’t agree with a lot of these lmao
I was almost thrown out of the feeder because I screamed and shook too much at every scarlet witch fight scene
GOTG is my fave Marvel movie of all time too! It’s so unique, it made those obscure characters so likeable.
Every Macro video, is a good video
Don't care what anyone says, not even Macro, Winter Soldier is my fav marvel movie ever, and Age of Ultron was good
I agree with the first thing you said
I almost agree with the first thing and fully agree with the second thing
Fax
I agree that age of Ultron was good but winter soldier isn’t the best mcu movie
WInter Solder is pretty good, not even close to No. 1 but Age of ultron was good for sure
Ma!! Macro's ruining my childhood again!!
IM SO HAPPY YOU PUT GUARDIANS AT THE TOP ITS MY FAVE FILM YESSSSS
You should do more MCU videos I loved this
Macro never disappoints 👏👏
Respect your opinion on Age of Ultron even though I love that film, but James Spader is fricking awesome.
Hes the fucking lizard king
This is perfect because I just researched all the MCU movies in order
Bruh, how does this guy imitate them so good?
I saw a guy say it in chat and he's right Starlord is the only reason that Thanos happened lol.
Doctor strange saw like 1.8 million realities and the only one they won in involved star lord doing that.
I wish the ancient one was casted by sensei wu
Same
I’m so glad you like Thor ragnarok, it’s gotta be my favourite MCU movie
You pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about Captain Marvel as a character. It’s the same issue I have with Superman typically, once you introduce such a powerful character it kind of throws off every other conflict and like you said, drags down the universe a bit.
The scene that really opened my eyes to this was the girl power scene in Endgame. Like you could’ve had some awesome action with Nebula and Gamora leading the charge of the female characters, passing the gauntlet around like a football, showcasing all of their powers, and giving each a little time to shine, and it would even work as a bit of a callback to Nebula playing paper football in the opening with Tony. Instead, you build up this kick ass charge scene with the MCU ladies, just to have Captain Marvel blow through it all... like no Okoye she doesn’t got help because she doesn’t need it apparently.
I think they could’ve fixed this issue by making her powers somewhat like Thor. Reserve her Binary mode as her extra super powered strength that is only unlocked on occasion, like Thor in Wakanda, and have it be something limited. That way it’s not overpowered in universe, and when she does go Binary it feels like more of an event and almost urgent that she makes the most out of it while it lasts.
Putting Spider-Man Homecoming over the first Avengers movie and Black Panther is a goddamn crime.
Opinions aren’t a crime.
I love ant man hurt to see him in C, but he can’t really go any higher
Me at 2:16 remembering Call Me Carson’s bit on Don Cheadle: Oh hi Don Cheetos,
oh look two Don Cheetos
Aye man I saw this on your stream I
21:54 Goodbye Macros Revenue and hello copyright claim
“They don’t have powers” neither does tony
His mind is his power bro
macro im a huge fan and think you should do a super long stream doing a tv show tier list hopefully you see this comment
I'm glad you put gotg movies finally in the tier they deserve !!
Bruh, captain marvel is d-f tier
Can’t say I hard disagree with your list Macro, I think we have a similar taste, but Iron Man is my favorite super hero
Big respect! GotG 2 is my favorite MCU movie
Can we get a video game tier list but you base it off it’s teaser trailers (season trailer, launch trailer, random animations, etc)
No one knew who that kid at Tony starks funeral was bc he looks like a whole different person there compared to iron man 3. Also u dont get a good look at him anyway, just a quick glance. (Btw not hating on this tierlist just in case u think this comment sounds a bit aggressive lol)
When I first saw the movie I saw him and I was like who is that a few seconds later when Happy is talking to Morgan I was like ooooooooooooooooooooooh
Macro what is your opinion on the Octane nerf they are planning on making?
What one??
@@Moistpony-jt2vb sorry should've worded it better they are planning on nerfing him
Hold on! How big a nerf we talkin'?
@@jakecolee3453 more damage done for using stim
I wish i could like this video more than once
mcu thanos is such an amazing villain. i feel like i could write a whole page about what makes thanos a great villain, everything from his motivations to how it's connected with his background story. especially when compared to darkseid who is (just like hela) evil for the sake of being evil