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If we’re talking about what *nearly* killed the MCU after Endgame, it’s not mainly Kevin Feige but the Disney executives and their greed. Greed being an all-too-common reason for what start the downfall of so many great things we experience in life.
Film is art, and as soon as it becomes a product being marketed towards investors in conferences and presentations you've lost the point. Marvel films used to be cinema, but now they're a product sold to investors to increase the profits of Disney executives. There's no heart anymore. It's all about the money.
What are you talking about? It’s his fault, he’s in charge of the MCU and its direction. He shared responsibility with an executive and then was given full control after Endgame.
If he doesn't get the blame for this garbage then he doesn't get the praise for the Infinity Saga. It's was the Disney Execs that was the main cause. You see how dumb that sounds? He's the head of the studio, it's on him.
It’s his fault as well bro. You can’t think someone has nothing be blamed for when it shows that person is still involved. If it wasn’t his fault he would call it out or actually try to not intervene that much.
The irony of it all is that everything after Endgame feels like random stuff thrown against the wall with zero planning. The projects don't have a single coherent narrative thread between them and major developments that should impact the wider universe are completely forgotten from project to project.
The video said that the mcu is failing because there trying to make everything fit into a single narrative causing trouble for the movies to become there own thing.
It would have been so amazing for Phase 4 to have individual stories again like a Phase 1 (Shang Chi was sort of this way minus the end credits). Introduce some new characters, but the common thread is the aftermath of the Blip and how it has changed the world. These would have self-contained and the audience reception could have determined who to continue to follow. The older Marvel characters with completed character arcs could have shown up as cameos or as mentor figures, depending on the movie, or for an Avengers-level threat. This would have kept the audience on their toes and appreciated when an Infinity character returned. The remaining major Infinity Arc characters with more to contribute (like Wanda or Dr. Strange) could have been key players in Avengers-level threats, We didn't need to immediately go into the multiverse as a result of what the Avengers did. We needed to explore the consequences of the Blip. The heroes and villains forged in thew new world after the Blip occurred due to the circumstances of the Blip. Extending out from there, you could explore the X-Men or Inhumans-type vibe (maybe the Blip did it with cosmic energy), or the rise of a villain with motivations who ultimately does something to unlock multiversal power, becoming the next Thanos-level threat. Also, they needed a new Big Three to establish to follow as the anchors amidst the other heroes. I didn't care for seeing every character pass a torch or grow old and bitter or be somehow connected to a previous one.
With respect, you’re putting the wrongful blame on Kevin Feige. Yes, he’s head of Marvel Studios, but it was Bob Chapek and Bob Iger who spread Feige too thin with all the Disney Plus Marvel shows and mandated that he have them. Feige doesn’t have time to oversee everything that comes out in the MCU.
This. When it was just MCU movies, Feige had enough time to do proper QA. Once he also had to oversee all the Disney+ shows too, he couldn't possibly hold everything to the same high quality.
Thank you FilmSpeak, you voiced my exact issue with bringing in Fox’s X-Men through multiverse. I hate the idea honestly. I wanted fresh, MCU take on X-Men more to the comics, not variants 🤦🏾♂️
Honestly, I felt similarly towards No Way Home. It was cool to see the three Spider-Men get back together and the movie as a whole was still good, but I wanted to see new renditions of those classic Spider-Man villains.
@@gabrielhagedorn5942 the “Home” series sucked, it was built on a crappy foundation that’s why it’s the trilogy is an origin story for Tom’s spider-man ie a waste of time. The goofy marvel multiverse saved Sony’s Spider-Man with the spectacle of all the live action Spider-Man (Sony) and the “Miles Morales” movies.
@@sarov7658 The MCU is finished. As much as I want them to reap what they’ve sown, the “X-people” will draw audiences back in. If “Deadpool 3” is good it’ll trick people back in seats.
Feige isn't the problem - it's Bob Chapek. Chapek came in and decided to have every minor MCU character have a spinoff series so they could flood Disney+ with content. Feige couldn't oversee everything and quality dipped.
They're all the problem tbh, The execs think marvel is just a cookie machine that will sell regardless of how shit the cookies are and how many of them you make. Feige is the problem because the creative direction has been less than poor. Every major movie outside of No Way Home (Sony) and Guardians 3 (Gunn) has just been a creative disaster. The shows are even worse, it's so obvious they just want cheap copycat more diverse replacements for the original avenger heroes. Iron man gets a black female replacement, captain america gets a black replacement, hawkeye gets a female replacement. Even captain marvel has already been replaced by a pakistani replacement. It's just getting ridiculous and not cause of the race but because they aren't giving these people their own identity. Why make a new Iron man if you could make an original character? Like I get that the OG cast was probably done with the characters and wanted out, but don't just replace them with the exact same characters but a different look. Sam was a character in his own right but the Falcon was completely discarded to make him the new Captain America. The same goes for Shuri and then I haven't even talked about the absolute massacre of characters like Docter Strange, Wanda and Thor (who also had a short female replacement). There's just no creative drive anymore to make any interesting new characters just the same but with different looks.
Great Video. Unfortunately, it's been reported that shareholders forced Feige's hand in announcing the next phase, including projects that were not even in development. I don't thinks it's entirely fair to blame him for that specifically, since he was forced into it. The rest of the video I agree with though.
Kang can’t be recast, unless he’s convicted. He’s got a character clause in his contract. Something Evans sparked when he was recast in Captain America. So the only chance they’ve got of recasting is hinged upon the Good Samaritan clause that would void the contract if he’s convicted of a crime.
Phase 4 should have been completely dedicated to building the X-men world solely, while giving everything else in the MCU a cooling off period, let the X-men discover the multiverse, that would explain their absence from the last 3 phases and then in Phase 5 start to combine them all, a missed opportunity.
In my perfect world, Captain Marvel 2 would be one of the first entries to Phase 4. It would try to fix her character and the movie would start with her being as overpowered and cold as people thought she was the first time around (maybe piercing through a spaceship to save people from another planet, but scaring them off in the process), then she would return to Earth for whatever reason, learning that the snaps created mutants as a side effect and she would have to face Rogue who, mislead by Mystique, would take Carol's powers away and then have a redemption arc along the story. And that's it. Maybe Monica would receive her powers through Rogue while trying to save Carol, then Carol would have to trust Monica and rebuild their relationship till her powers were back by the end of the movie. Then they'd have infinite ways to introduce the X-Men. Maybe Magneto could have a modernized adaptation of his origin with Hydra instead of Nazis while Professor X could be focused on gathering mutants in the five years jump.
They seriously should focus more on x men and ff4 at this point. FF4 comic saved marvel back in the day, so it'll be a nice touch if the movie saves MCU
I might be wrong but I'm not sure it was Feige's idea to have a plan. To me, this screams Disney meddling and wanting to not only keep the gravy train rolling but to make the gravy train bigger with Disney+ shows.
Yeah, that might be a controversial opinion but I agree. It's a tragedy that Chadwick Boseman died. But would be have really wanted the character to die with him? With a project this large, I don't know that it would be smart to kill off every character whose actor died. In the comics, these characters are always larger than life and they're written and drawn by a wide variety of people. Comics don't usually stop because someone involved dies. I get not recasting him right away though.
My issue the same people bitched and moaned about a Tony Stark variant then because big TH-cam channels/content click bait farms kept lying about A iron man variant played by Tom Cruise in the MCU and people ate it up and wanted it How can you be a successful movie studio if you're taking cues from moronic shill channels who make up shit to get ad revenue? One minute people want a end game type of film...then they complain about tv shows and movies being a end game cash cow
The Marvels is probably the last Marvel movie made in the Chapek era. I think the films afterwards like Capt America 4, Thunderbolts, Blade & Fantastic 4 is really where we gonna see the change Iger was talking about
It’s crazy how much of this video is just blatantly wrong. Marvel & Kevin have always interfered with films, clashed with directors, and spent too much time setting up sequels. None of this is new. They clashed with Jon Favreau and forced him to set up The Avengers in Iron Man 2. They clashed with Joss Whedon and forced him to set up the Infinity Stones in Age of Ultron, even threatening to remove the farm sequence if he didn’t comply. Also, the argument about each film being announced to early and feeling like a stepping stone is nothing new either. Are we forgetting that in October 2014, Kevin Feige had a press conference and announced the titles and release dates for every Phase 3 project? Literally 4 years worth of films announced at once. The MCU isn’t in great shape right now, but don’t act like these issues are new. These have been known issues for over a decade, but nobody cared back then because the movies still turned out great.
It's really hard to blame one individual for the failure of a franchise. Movies are created by the team, and, therefore, the fault lies within the creative team. So far, the MCU lacks a leading man/woman who fills Iron Man and Captain American roles. As a result, every subsequent sequel feels as pointless as the last one. With no roles assigned to these protagonists, it feels like they don't serve a purpose to the universe and will just be forgotten about until the next Avengers movie (probably). The question then becomes, why should we watch these movies if they are just disposable products? While some might say for their entertainment factor, Marvel hasn't produced an entertaining movie in quite a bit. Sure, they might make a good movie every once in and while, but they're inconsistency in doing so has made the audience distrust them. So, in conclusion, Marvel needs to decide who their main characters are and stop with the smorgasbord approach so they can get back on track. EDIT: Nowhere did I say that Feige doesn't deserve to shoulder some of the blame. Read before you comment.
I don't know. Kevin received all the praise for the first three parts of the MCU as the "brilliant mind" behind it. Now that Marvel movies became nothing but everything wrong with phases one, two and three, I think it's fitting to put the blame on him as well. He got more and more control over the years. People tend to forgot, but I remember how Joss Whedon was bummed out after Age of Ultron BECAUSE of studio interference, Feige's interference. Same for Patty Jenkins leaving The Dark World so Marvel could release that shit. The problem is, as said in the video, how everything feels so over produced now. Phase One, the Guardians movies and Winter Soldier (and Infinity War) were good because there were filmmakers doing their job. They have a heart. The more interference a movie gets, the more it will feel disjointed, silly, etc. And that's what's happening right now. They won't let the crew do their job, they'll fix it in post. Then the screenwriters will have to keep rewriting shit even after filming is done, directors will butch the movie to add any stupid scene the producers feel like adding, FX team will overwork because Marvel can't decide if Hella will face Thor in an alley, a cliff or Asgard and everything will look like an unfinished mess because of it. Marvel looks more and more cheap looking over the years when budget is getting bigger everytime. Even Sam Raimi, who's a great director, released a shitty movie under the MCU, way worse than Spider-Man 3 and even worse looking. What I mean is, they should go back to basics, creating an outline of where the universe is going and allowing creatives to create so they get to find new protagonists to this universe and the next saga. For the most part, Marvel Comics never needed Iron Man and Captain to keep going and I think the MCU can do the same.
Idk, didn't you listen to the video? Kevin Faige is THE autocratic creative team. Nia DaCosta said, "it's his film". Also, if he can receive the praises as the God who helmed the Infinity Saga, then he sure deserves the blame.
Well everyone sure likes to give him all the praise for the Infinity Saga so how is it not fair to give him all the blame. He doesn't get to be called the greatest studio producer for the first part of the MCU while the absolute garbage he's made is pushed under the rug.
So, suddenly all the writes became bad? Like Sam, the fucking creator of the most aclaimed trilogy of super heroes movies? The girl who directed candyman and is know for making good movies since her debuty? Suddenly, those writers e and directors became bad? When the only thing in commum is that kevin is there to intervine?
Excuses Excuses. It was obviously Kevin Feige. The Director of THE MARVELS said that THE MARVELS is Kevin Feige's movie and that its his production and guess what? It FLOPPED harder.
I was just thinking about how James Gunn is metaphorically rocket raccoon and the other animals in cages are the directors or creatives that Marvel/Disney(high evolutionary) kills but rocket ends up killing him and escaping so I was just thinking I should rewatch because that’s pretty heavy
I happen to agree with much of what’s been said here. The blame does need to be appropriately spread out but ultimately Feige needed to step up and say “this isn’t right and this won’t work” but he didn’t. He put his stamp of approval on projects and he now needs to answer for it. With regard to some of the details being mentioned, I know it’s not confirmed but there are two rumors out there that seem to have a good shot at being true: 1, there’s some sort of contract they haven’t been able to get around with regard to the original Mutant characters & actors who portrayed them that has Marvel handcuffed until 2025 2, Majors may have a deal that says he and only he gets to play any and all Kang variants through a certain time. Basically they’ll have to cut ties if they want to move on with a variant and if he gets out of this mess they will have walked away from one of the better actors in Hollywood(he’s perfect for this role, similar to RDJ as Tony Stark or Cumberbach as S Strange)
The X-Men were recast in the prequel films and the TV shows Legion and Gifted, which was co-produced by Marvel. So that literally makes no sense. Acting contracts don't even work like that. The Kang thing sounds like BS too.
Yo miss me with that stamp of aproval bullshit, my dad tries to bring up the same shit but it’s a mute, outdated, & misinformed point. With all the pressure from execs above him, who the hell is Kevin to put a seal of approval on anything even if he legally could. *^Answer me that question in all seriousness.* …Wtf do u think would happen if he said no to something that Bob iger mandated…. *The greedy evil genius asshole would just have to remind Kevin how he personally helped Kevin cut ties to ike Perlmutter… twice…
I think the train analogy at the end was perfect. For those that have been watching from the beginning we still have a deep love for the MCU and want them to course correct. But it’s getting harder and harder to stay on that train.
Something that has contributed to burnout with the MCU for a lot of people I know is the unrelenting pace at which content is coming out. There's so many shows and movies people can't keep up. Disney execs may think we all have the money and time for that and I understand that Disney's sole motive is to make a profit, but they would honestly make more profit with a few quality products rather than a deluge of mostly okay-ish ones.
Marvel needs to change the way they do things. For one, stop going into production with half baked scripts, plan ahead, give writers more time to write a cohesive narrative and that will lead to less reshoots & less likely to put more money on the budget. That’s why Loki was as good as it was
Nope the solution is cancel everything including the terribly bad Deadpool, Fantastic "Captian America" / Falcon movie, Eric. Reboot now and revast all characters to save the MCU from being trash entire since Endgame (inc Captain Marvel 1). Either retell Phase 4 or do a current DC reboot.
the mcu should have taken a break for 3 years . take the time to plan out the overall story arc and plan 3 movies and gauge the reaction from the fans.no streaming shows ...
About why Jonathan Majors isn't recast. According to the Weekly Planets segment " Hot scoop or a shot of poop" Majors can't be recast. Because of the nature of multiverse, Majors was afraid to be recast so he put in his contract that ONLY he could play Kang in live action.
As Iman Vellani has said we have no choice but to be patient and wait for the actual projects to come. She and the entire studios are very much aware of the criticism and Marvel is working very hard to write actual good projects so it's good they are delaying majority of them.
The thing I don’t get why make project no one gave a fk about. They lost fans within an spam of 2 years. No way home was when fans actually came back it wasn’t forced woke it was good story telling and nostalgia that brought fans to invest. Now I would watch a thing they make because they hiring these woke writers that hate the source material and just writing story’s that society don’t even fk with. So they write for a delusional group of minority that’s what Disney is now an delusional group of minorities.
The book you mentioned states that Feige always exerted far more control over Marvel Studios movies than your average film exec or producer. It was always that way.
But Marvel Studios didn't sprint after the endgame. They had a COVID-imposed break, the longest in MCU history. And fans did miss them as seen by the success of early phase 4 in the covid era. The problems didn't catch up to Marvel Studios until the second-weekend drop of Multiverse of Madness and 2025. There should not be constant news of new plot leaks, cast and crew of the Kang Dynasty, and Secret Wars. Marvel needs to focus on making the slate they have now the best it can be and not securing the next far-away end-of-saga event. Great video man. I have hands down watched it already. It's crazy that Kevin Feige went from being one of the most trustable producers in Hollywood by the fans to a massive hack I think you gotta take a nuanced stance at the MCU from both a creative and financial perspective. The BRAND is strong...because your video exists. Only the Irrelevant dies these days and the MCU is far from it. What I think is the problem is SCOPE and FOCUS. Before, the MCU was limited by its infancy. Now, with all the confidence, money, and freedom, there was far less discipline in managing the direction of the Universe. I think what happened is that Covid made them panic, and then they over-corrected with the Disney Plus shows (except Loki, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, and WandaVision) and they took WAY too long to get back on track because they had already committed time, money and resources. I think that it needs to be considered HOW QUICKLY we react versus how much time it takes to create a quality movie and or show. It also needs to be considered that Disney's invisible hand is ALWAYS pulling away from creative quality with its overbearing presence. People have been saying the MCU is dead for 2 years!!!! It isn't dead. I think they can turn it around at the drop of a single movie and some excellent choices after that and there is no other product on EARTH that can say that or do that right now. Call me a contrarian. I hear a LOT of talk about why people don't like The Marvels. What I don't hear a lot about is people like me: Zero complaints about The Marvels because I walked away after Thor 4. Hell for all I know I'd love The Marvels. But after The Eternals, Black Widow, Dr. Strange 2, and Thor 4, I was done. Happy to take my Iron Man 1 to Endgame ball and walk away. I didn't skip The Marvels because of The Marvels. I skipped The Marvels because of what came before The Marvels. With respect, you’re putting the wrongful blame on Kevin Feige. Yes, he’s head of Marvel Studios, but it was Bob Chapek and Bob Iger who spread Feige too thin with all the Disney Plus Marvel shows and mandated that he have them. Feige doesn’t have time to oversee everything that comes out in the MCU. The MCU is in better shape than the DCEU. I disagree that Doom should be in the Fantastic Four. Introduce him right, not just in the first Fantastic Four film like every other Fantastic Four film where he is defeated from the start. Thanos wasn't defeated directly in the Avengers. Fans are upset Kang has been defeated so often Kevin Fraud doesn’t own The Success of The Infinity Saga, Ike Perlmutter, Jon Favreau, James Gunn, Joss Whedon, and The Russo Brothers on the success of The Infinity Saga. Disney killed the MCU after Stan Lee died. I’m sure this video is insightful and probably raises some good points but man… you’re leaning really heavily toward clickbait with that title and thumbnail. I thought Chepak killed the MCU? Let 'em die man...m-she-u is done. Do not recast yet. Learn from pirates. The upcoming MCU projects are What If Season 2, echo, Deadpool, Armour Wars, blade, Captain America Brave New World, Spiderman Freshman Year, X-Men 1997, and Thunderbolts. That's plenty of projects that don't need Kang even mentioned to wait until after this trial. Slow down productions and push the Kang dynasty back as needed. It's odd how many white MCU fans are so quick to recast black actors like Majors and Boseman. Slow down production and wait. After the trial recast or rehire Most of y’all say that you don’t care about Marvel now but when Deadpool 3, Fantastic 4, and the next two Avengers movies come out y’all will be there opening weekend, stop kidding yourselves y’all still care for this franchise.
i disagree if it wernt for Fegie i wount of seen Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe return after 20 Years in No Way Home since 2007 im glad they did that my love for the Raimi films returned in this film
That movie was made by Sony, not that hack and if it weren’t for Feige, then the continuity of The Raimi Movies and The Webb Movies wouldn’t have been contradicted by Spider-Man Yes Way Godawful.
Interesting. I really like and appreciate this video. The inflexibility of 'The Plan' compared to what it was before, the argument for recasting Kang instead of panic switching to Doom, (reminiscent of Neve Campbell as a reaction to Barrera's and Ortega's departure from Scream 7) rather than serving the character and story, all brilliantly argued and well thought out. I would make 2 observations. 1. Victoria Alonso, purely from a business standpoint, (morally and personally may be different) needed to go. And that firing had little to nothing to do with VFX issues. They happened long before she went, and continue long after. It had to do with repping another studio at an Awards event and the perception of that. 2. Curious how in this entire video there is no mention of Bob Chapek and the consistent allusion to Kevin Feige having overall control-when it's well documented that they are mutually exclusive. The overruse of Disney+ as a Marvel jockey for a vast array of content that isn't great, and dilutes the brand? Chapek was the one who had control over that, and switched priority to it, made decisions to dump Pixar and Black Widow on Streaming, worsening relations between talent and Pixar. The installing of financiers in place of creatives-in a move that won't be fully wrung of consequences until his demanded slate finishes in 2025-leading to a loss of oversight and creative and quality control. Chapek. Don't get me wrong, as said above, I think you make some excellent points and arguments, and I agree with a lot of them. And I am not proposing all blame gets laid at 1 man's feet, but there is an undeniable correlation between the couple of decisions above, and the quality decline of Marvel. Your heading is also blatant clickbait, as, thankfully, you don't actually argue the title-I feared it would be the Star Wars/DC fan trajectory of we loved Rian, until we hated the Last Jedi, now he's the worst thing to ever happen to the brand (have you not seen RoS?) and should never touch it again. It's not dead. It's at a crossroads, but hopefully, with creative control returned, in 2025, with the benefit of a break, we can get back to what we loved for a decade.
Listen, I have my own problems with the modern MCU. But, a lot of these videos I see not just from this channel but also from a lot of others is that they just repeat the same thing. While some of that is true like the movies and shows just aren't as good as they used to be. A lot of them come out as contradictory or just not true. A lot of people like to say, "The MCU feels disconnected" but also say, "Everything feels like it's just building up to a grand plan". "The MCU should diversify itself and focus more on solo projects", "Where are we going? There's no clear thread like Thanos or the Infinity Stones.", "You're relying on the Multiverse too much", "It's supposed to be the Multiverse Saga, but the Multiverse is barely in any projects", etc. If I was Marvel, I would be confused because of all the mixed signals everyone is throwing at me. I would also be confused because some of the problems people are saying, just aren't true. The MCU does have solo projects that are self-contained like Thor 4, Shang Chi, and GOTG 3. It also has projects that are connected to the wider plot like NWH, Loki and Dr. Strange 2. So I'm not really sure what people are talking about when they try to say one side doesn't exist.
Both the side stories and interconnected stories have the same problems. Mistreatment of the characters and the universe. Doesn't really matter if it looks like they have a plan. It's not working. Thor 4 was a failure that continued the trend of making Thor into a complete idiot. No Way Home was actively changed because they were so desperate to have the power of nostalgia from the other Spidermen. This actively hurt the story of Dr. Strange 2 which was supposed to be much more connected to the events of No Way Home. Reduced Dr. Strange to a secondary character in his own film. Loki was meh at best. The events of Loki seem to only sort of matter in Ant Man 3, and that was another failure. And Kang was defeated yet again. The reason it's not so simple is because there are so many damn problems with everything the MCU is putting out. None of it is working. People aren't showing up, but they are full steam ahead. Not changing a damn thing. Just putting more content out.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp least in thor 4 the character has his hammer back and a renewed purpse. Also strange was the lead character of his film people who say he wasnt are being morons. Actually people have shown up.
@mutalemwananshiku4098 Thor is an absolute fool in Thor 4, and his "purpose" doesn't fit with his character. Not a natural progression of the character. Makes no sense. It bombed. Dr. Strange was sidelined in order to prop up Scarlett Witch. No big journey for strange, just a side mission and then he didn't even defeat the villain. She just defeated herself. This movie was such a waste of potential in every sense. It too failed to make enough money. Another failure. Just a freaking mess.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp his new purpose is to be hero to other alien races. It made 760 million it didnt bomb. No big journey? he goes from being afraid of letting go of his past and by the end makes peace with it. If strange didnt show up to empower america she would have been dead. Wanda killing herself is similar to doc ock defeating himself in spider-man 2.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp how does his purpose not fit his character. It made 760 million it didnt bomb. Strange wasnt sidelined. He did defeat the villian it just wasnt a big over the top cgi battle.
The Fantastic 4 or the X-Men really should be the main characters that we follow (I would have said Black Panther or Dr. Strange but they messed that up). The Fantastic 4 definitely should be the main focus going forward imo
Finally someone said it, the FOX-Men need to be a thing of the past. Why the hell are they dragging out legacy charaters from a franchise that had to be reset a few times, where a mere third or so of the movies were any good or even well received at the box office and most of the characters were not done any justice to begin with?
I don't remember where I heard this quote from, I think it was something related to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but I think about every time I hear about people meticulously planning ahead. It goes like this: "The measure of a good leader is not by how well the plan goes, but by how well they are able to adapt when the plan inevitably goes wrong." Course correction is a vital skill for massive projects like the MCU, and Kevin Feige announcing films and shows so far in advance is like the exact opposite of that.
It's also too much content too quickly, forcing people to watch Disney+ shows to keep up with the movies and overall storyline. I blame Disney and their greed more so than Kevin. This whole mess would've been avoided if the Disney+ shows were not directly connected to the main MCU story and after Endgame, the MCU took a break for a year or two then started individual movies again with the X-Men or Fantastic Four, slowly incorporating back characters from the Infinity Saga after they built up these new characters and introduced Kang or Doom. It would've felt like a much more natural progression. The movies now are stepping stones, there's no individual identity or soul in any of them, even when you bring in a wacky, cool, unique director like Sam Raimi.
I completely agree! If they wanna do disney shows, then fine, but the audience should be able to watch the movies, without having to watch any show to keep up with it. I honestly believe disney was what ruined everything
There should not be constant news of new plot leaks, cast and crew of Kang Dynasty and Sercet Wars. Marvel needs to focus on making the slate they have now the best it can be and not securing the next far away end of saga event.
Main issues I see are 1) they want every movie to be endgame level. All billion dollar films, the characters fight the big evil, take ant man wtf is he fighting kang, he is a C list hero meant for comedy and a goofy heist film. Not very character has to be a Cap or Iron man, the characters have their own mini bugle universe of differing tone and stakes. Spider-Man is a neighbourhood hero fighting Russian bank robbers not multiverse aliens (unless it’s in a team up not his own solo film) 2) they haven’t ended the stories of the OG characters and so the new generations can’t have their time. Phase 4 for should have been a time of reflection and closing the chapter on the Infinity saga characters. Then have the new ones have their own origin story and take over the mantle. 3) they all feel disconnected as they don’t reference each other ie there is a giant celestial in the ocean. Every film doesn’t seem to matter in the sense that there is no characters only plot. They all have the same tone, look etc so it all blends into one. 4) the multiverse was a mistake, why should I Cara about a character if there is another version out there who could just take their place, the stakes are gone, variants complicate everything because characters are expendable. 5) too many stories. We have kang, the multiverse, variants, the scrolls, scarlet witch, celestials. There are so many things introduced then dropped. Which links to too many releases, we need quality over quantity. A marvel film used to be a big event, a valid reason to go to the cinema and spend the money, now I can wait until it’s on streaming because the quality isn’t there, I haven’t gone to the cinema to see a marvel film since Doctor Strange two. The last film I watched was Thor but got bored so turned it off and just watched a review to get the gist
I love the channel but this take is 100% wrong. The Board approves/gives orders to C-suite execs at Walt Disney Co who then give orders to the head of Disney Entertainment who then gives orders to subsidiary studio heads (one of which is Kevin Feige). Kevin Feige DISAGREES with the path the MCU has taken after Endgame. The REAL factor you should have blamed? *THE BOARD* & corporate restructuring for misunderstanding how Feige made the MCU so valuable & ignorantly trying to milk more profit out of something already successful.
I'm fine with "a plan" when it means planning ahead, because if you need to coordinate so many characters and plot threads you can't do _Lost_ series formulate, which was: Just keep adding more characters and "mysteries" and hope at some point it will all magically fall in place (it won't), instead of bits of Lore contradicting each other. But the problem of having A PLAN in capital letters that everything must bow to is... look, if you've ever played a tabletop roleplaying game, where the gamemaster is supposed to problem the worldbuilding framework and a character-driven story that changes according to what the players do in it with their characters. But you know what happens if you have a bad gamemaster who wrote what is basically a novel and expects the player characters to become mere puppets in the gamemaster's grand design who should play out the scene the way the GM envisioned them beforehand. And every deviation from the path is blocked or punished. Look, plot-driven stories can work just fine and be interesting: Just look at the James Bond movies, where James Bond is basically a cypher who does not need character development... he's there to solve the problem posed by the villain. Same goes for any Disaster genre movie, where things happen to random protagonists. Or most Murder Mystery plots, where the detective may have persnal quirks but the character arrives fully formed with the goal to solve the mystery. But the MCU has always been character-driven, an ensemble piece, a tapestry and mosaic of individual stories, heroes and villains, coming together. The Loki series remembered this.
Interesting. In addition, there's also another negative side effect to having a "plan". More specifically, a misplaced plan as I would refer it. As part of the way the show, How I Met Your Mother ended, was due to the creators having had planned ahead as to how they wanted to end the last few minutes of the show. It may have been part of the plan but it regressed 3 of the main characters & did one major character dirty. I also agree in that part of what made the first 3 phases of the MCU was through a character driven choice of storytelling.
Imo a smart move for any ceo or corporation that owns a studio and or set of rights to a character would be very simple. Ask them to make whatever films and shows, ask for updates every so often to see how they’re getting on, give them the monetary wealth they need but lightly enforce a limit on the time and money they have, not a deadline or low amount but just something to not give them unchecked power. Because sometimes creatives get too in depth with their stuff when it’s not needed, I know.
8:50 Civil War didn’t make the Avengers lose in Infinity War. Iron Man was literally the only Avenger who wasn’t fighting in Wakanda so no they weren’t divided. I do agree that people over exaggerate how planned the story of the MCU is.
But marvel studios didn't sprint after endgame. They had a covid imposed break, longest in mcu history. And fans did miss them as seen by the success of early phase 4 in the covid era. The problems didn't catch up to marvel studios until second weekend drop of multiverse of madness and 2022.
I’m sure this video is insightful and probably raises some good points but man… you’re leaning real heavy toward clickbait with that title and thumbnail.
Okay, does anyone that says Thor 2 didn't work actually have a video or something to explain how and why? Because I actually enjoyed it, especially for the Loki parts, and I want to understand what makes it so bad. I'll grant you, it is not the strongest film, but I see it as average at worst. Is there a detailed breakdown somewhere that says more that just, "It didn't work," because that explains nothing, yet it's all I ever hear. I'm more frustrated I don't have an explanation than anything. Like, I'd put Thor 2 above Captain Marvel, the Eternals, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Dr. Strange 2 and Ms Marvel from what I've seen, and I could even explain why on all those, but I just want to understand what makes Thor 2 the dog y'all absolutely have to kick in any Marvel discussion.
The MCU has to end. This is Disney’s fault because since they have no creativity with their animation side of things, they leaned too hard on the mcu therefore milking it and putting Feige in a tough position. But to me, the MCU has to end. Bring all the characters back (avengers, X-men, everyone) in a couple of years so it doesn’t get old and make people hype about them making more movies.
It would be good if Marvel would use the blast from Thanos’ use of the stones as a reason why some people become mutants. Even those who were born since the snap. They would be teenagers now which is perfect for times for mutants to gain their powers.
The MCU should never have tried to outdo Endgame and the Infinity Saga straight after it ended. The Eternals should have been where the Eternals realised humans are worthwhile and the Avengers triumphing over Thanos proved it. Then there should have been some kind of Intergalactic Council that decided Earth deserved protection and the Celestials left Earth alone instead of laying an egg in it. This should have closed off all the cosmic storylines for Phase 4 and 5. Then the MCU could have given audiences a rest and become more grounded again instead of the tedious and expensive CG crapfests they've been for too long.
The X-men and Spider-man were more popular than the Avengers especially during the 90's and together with the first Blade movie paved the way for Superhero movies. Its kinda disrespectful when they're just gonna multiverse the X-men into existence especially when the X-men were one of the pioneers of superhero movies 'cause remember unlike the Avengers they didn't need to make individual films to establish the group. Thats how popular they were back then, that even as a group you can still know who's who.
The MCU is not over. It's living to fight another day. It may lose a battle, but it hasn't lost the war. And it was never Kevin Feige who fought the losing battle. It was Bob Chapek who did and Kevin was just as much the victim as we MCU fans are being Bob's bitch and all. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I don’t mean to be a dick and if I am, then I’m very sorry, but I will correct you, because you’re wrong. The MCU is truly over. Not only did it lose the battle, but it also lost the war. It should have ended in 2019, after Spider-Man Far From Home. Kevin Fagot fought the losing battle as much as Bitch Chapek. He’s wasn’t ever the victim, because he’s the main cause for The MCU’s downfall. Fortunately Nelson Peltz will fire and replace him with Ike Perlmutter who is the true mastermind behind the creation and success of The MCU, not Fagot.
@trevturp6891 You're absolutely right. You are a dick and the narcissist/apologist in me couldn't disagree more. Had it all ended after Far From Home, we'd be devoid of a resolution from its cliffhanger that was No Way Home. We knew it'd be far from over after Endgame, and we knew the next saga wouldn't be as good as the Infinity Saga. What we didn't know was that it'd be bashed to death like a broken record by cynics and satanists like yourself to the point that it's exhausted me. People should try and watch other movies and shows outside the MCU that are far worse. Like Verotika, Son of the Mask, Baby Geniuses, better yet Captain America (1990) or some shit like that. I know it sounds like I'm deflecting or sugarcoating the MCU's unfairly hated state like a mindless shill who defends and justifies anything with the rose-painted Marvel Studios logo above it, but you've already pissed in my cereal and I'm just returning the favor. Good day to you, sir! 😤
That's been disproven. If that were true than why were many of the X-Men recast in the prequel films? They were also recast in the TV shows, which were co-produced by Marvel.
Feige won't let the Fox X Men go because that's how he got his start producing super hero films. I'm sure in his own private head canon those will always be "his" Xmen
The only reason we haven't gotten a proper introduction of mutants in the MCU is because of a prior contractual obligation stating that nobody could be recast before 2025. It's how we're able to get the Deadpool 3 film that we're getting, since you can do a whole film about mutants and the multiverse without recasting anybody and violating said contract.
The X-Men were recast in the prequel movies and in the TV shows (Legion and Gifted), which were co-produced by Marvel. What you're saying is pure nonsense. LMAO acting contracts don't even work like that. You are lying through your teeth.
@@agentofchaos7456 Copy and paste this string of words into your search bar, and you will get a link to the article I've tried showing you 22 times now: r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/w9ki1f/update_contractual_obligations_to_fox_producers/?rdt=48886 Due to a contact that was put into place before Fox was bought out by Disney, the prequel actors cannot be recast before 2025 because of plans at the time to expand the franchise past movies like Dark Phoenix. I get that things can be hard to understand on the internet from time to time, but just ask for clarification if you're confused instead of whatever you're doing now. I have nothing to gain from "lying through my teeth", I'm just engaging in the conversation at hand.
The problem is not that, problem is that they focused on lame characters instead of comics icons like Nova, Ghost Rider, F4 etc. and instead gave us Echo, Agatha, Ms Marvel etc.
I kinda hint at that in here, but yeah...they're trying to make c-list heroes a-listers and it's not working. It also doesn't help when they aren't setting up those characters to succeed because they're not given enough development.
Do not recast yet. Learn from pirates. The upcoming mcu projects are what if season 2, echo, deadpool, armour wars, blade, Captain america brave new world, spiderman freshman year, xmen 1997, and thunderbolts. Thats plenty of projects that don't need kang even mentioned to wait until after this trial. Slow down productions and oush kang dynasty back as needed. Its odd how many white mcu fans are so quick to recast black actors like Majors and Boseman. Slow down production and wait. After the trial recast or rehire
I’ve never blamed Kevin Feige for the downfall of the MCU. Just look at what’s been going on with their Star Wars property, that’s whole nother dumpster fire that’s been raging on for a while over there. It’s really on Disneys in its entirety and their executive’s greed. They over saturated the market with all their Marvel shows and movies right after Endgame. It would’ve been smarter if they took a break, and let the audience to take a breather after an 11 years worth of journey. Then come back after at least a whole year for the new beginning. With a much more fleshed out phases than the mess that we currently have. One big thing I would’ve changed pre ‘Endgame’ is switch the Captain Marvel movie for the Black Widow. I seriously don’t know what they were thinking to make a Cap Marvel before a Black Widow movie. Especially when she dies in Endgame -_-
Marvel has its problems but there is no downfall just cause some of its projects havent worked. You do know when marvel started out it didnt have everything planned out. I mean cause of the pandemic audiences had gotten a decent break from the franchise. Blame ike perlmutter for why we didnt get a black widow movie earlier.
@mutalemwananshiku4098 Lol no downfall??? Except the last 2 phases. Phase 4 was dogshit and phase 5 has been meh. The only movie to make money in the last 4 years has been Guardians 3 and there's nothing else now.
Ironically, given what this video is about, my disinterest in the current MCU is the _lack_ of a plan in these movies and shows. To me, Marvel Studios doesn't seem to have a clear idea of what the big plan actually is. They're just throwing ideas at the wall and introducing new characters so that they can all come together for ... something later on. The Infinity saga was really interesting because everything connected so well and it all came together when Thanos and the Infinity Stones had to be dealt with. Endgame isn't even one of my favourite movies (it pales in comparison to Infinity War), but it was without a doubt a grand finale to the series. Right now, we have Kang (or multiple Kangs?) and vague multiverse stuff to wonder about, with the possibility of that not even happening (due to real life circumstances) and having, uh ... Doctor Doom appear? _Maybe?_ Along with a bunch of new young Avengers in the C-Lister range of relevancy? Not entirely sure what's happening at the moment. Perhaps it's my own fault for not being interested enough to keep up with everything going on in the MCU--skipping shows like She Hulk--to know what exactly the plan is. Movies such as Ant-Man and Dr. Strange originally worked because the MCU was on a pedestal back then. There was real hype during that time and people were interested in this universe. Super Hero fatigue wasn't fully setting in yet. These days, those movies don't really do much for viewers without all of the hype for a bigger and grander event. Without heavy hitters like Iron Man, Captain America, etc, these "smaller" movies simply don't interest people as much. And this is coming from someone who _likes_ the characters and live action portrayals of Ant-Man and Dr. Strange.
Never wanted to say this aloud but here's a list on how Marvel can be fixed and hopefully it happens: 1. They have to cut ties with Disney, I know, sounds crazy but it's true. Ever since Endgame, Disney had someway pressure/forced Marvel into making god-awfull content (except some shows/movies), never allowing them to take any risks on creating good-storytelling anymore, rewriting good characters into unlikable/hateful jerks for no reason and hiring bad writers who clearly don't know the characters very well. They have to end they're distribution deal with them for good and go to another company that can be more trustful then Disney (my vote's on Paramount, possibly Sony or Universal). In my opinion, I never liked the idea of Disney owning Marvel. 'Cause their "family-friendly" brand company and I don't think they're fitfull for this type of franchise, but after seen the disaster that phase 4, this clearly proves it. 2. They have to cancel the MCU. It's gotten so messy that it they should've just let the franchise end in Endgame but choose to continue without thinking this through. But since the damaged is done, they're gonna have to cut down the entire content they've put and have to cancel all of this upcoming movies and shows. They have good potencial but they have to let them go and move on to do something interesting 3. Reboot the franchise. If they want to continue making movies and shows, they have to reboot the entire marvel universe with an already established universe (like James Gunn's DCU but on their own way) while adding other characters who never appear in the previous universe (like the X-Men, FF, Runaways, Defenders, Young Avengers, Inhumans, Power Pack, etc). But at the same time, think about the timeline to line it up perfectly, hired better writers that actually knows the comics, good directors with creative vision, let them have some creative control (not too much control) and try to tackle different genres for storytelling. 4. Create standalone/team-up shows (like the CW's DC shows) or Elseworld anthology shows as a way to tell the stories in a proper way while create movies for a bigger event in the franchise's storyline. 5. Fire Feige. Even due he has done great job on creating Phase 1-3, but that shit was in the PAST. He has now become someone who doesn't what he's doing and being manipulated/pressured that I think He can't no longer make something good, so I think is best to find someone else to replace him.
Marvel/Disney needs a soft reboot. From the recent formulaic movies, over-saturation with Disney Plus, Jonathan Majors-Kane situation and the influx new unpopular female characters I don’t see them fixing this without a reboot. Use Deadpool then the X-Men for a soft reboot, keep what works drop what doesn’t and tell good stand alone stories again. And please God please start casting younger actors. There should be no reason why we’re hearing rumors of 50 year old Pedro Pascal playing Reed Richards.
I partially agree with you but Kevin Feige isn't necessarily the problem. 600 new shows and movies and... CONTENT... were greenlit because 80% of his power over the damn franchise was taken away by Bob Chapek. Nothing he could do. Feige only announced Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars because it would've been leaked online the day before. Nothing he could do. Taika Waititi almost had full creative control of Love and Respect and look where that went. Nothing Feige could do. Marvel needs to make good movies... but I don't think letting everyone just play around without no plan is the solution. Marvel needs Kevin... We all do...
I still remember seeing Avengers 1 in the theatre, it was my first Hollywood movie experience. I was just 10 years old at the time and watched only Iron Man, and it holds a special place in my heart. I don't know why I would ever watch another Avengers anymore, none of the current characters are as interesting/inspiring.
I think the mcu is not dead or dying I truly just think the mcu has the same problem anything that runs this long would have which is a few less successful books in a series of books the comics had the same issue and plus having to change almost all their plans because of the pandemic and bad new leadership and plus every time anyone online make negative news about the mcu they have to change their plans again in the background which is why nothing feels connected we are way to harsh on some of these projects I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a good show it’s just isn’t great but people hate it for some reason I think moon knight was good not great but people hate it, Hawkeye was good not great but people hate it I’ve seen the marvels it’s a ok movie not bad not horrible the only things I can sincerely say was actually bad was “Secret Invasion” and “She Hulk”marvel is no where as bad as dc which has had almost 83% of its movies to be very bad though I think gunn will change that
The MCU is not dead. It's crazy how spoiled we got. Kevin Feige gave us something we never thought could happen and still have not been successfully duplicated and we are bitching and criticizing. In which we have the right to as consumers of said product. Not directed at you at all @FilmSpeak, just in general. Give them time to slip and fall and to rise to provide us with stellar content. Hoping they hear the fans and change course back to the good ole days. Great vid.
Honestly, this is exactly my reaction. Am I denying there are issues? No. But the jump ship mentality just because our expectations (based on potentially a once in a lifetime event) are now so high, anything less than that is automatically rubbish is really not reasonable or mature.
Meh I'm tired of this copium move on to better shitt and as long as disney keep being esg puppets it won't change they won't value entertainment lik dr strange movie was barely about him
Good points. But I also argue that Kevin has done nothing with most of the films and shows to forward any of his plan and no one is connected enough to add to the plan effectively which has led to major failures throughout the phases after Endgame. One issue is despite knowing that we're supposed to go towards Kang and Secret Wars via the multiverse is that the multiverse has been subverted as an expectation in Far From Home, and resolved across several different properties as a threat. How are we supposed to take Kang seriously when Ant-Man has already defeated a variant of him that was exiled, and every other hero has already fixed their own multiverse problems on their solo adventures? No one has really suffered any meaningful loss or anything besides Loki. Loki has been the only one to sacrifice anything to the cause which, after everything, feels like things are somehow only just beginning. That's another problem: nothing has forwarded anything towards a bigger picture. Nearly everything is self contained to a fault. Wanda's character in Dr. Strange 2 was a betrayal to who she ended WandaVision as, resulting in her death of character as well as her literal death, which would be monumentally stupid to undo at this point because anything, even a variant would pretty much just hand wave her existence like Vision 2.0! I wonder if he'll ever show up in anything ever again and if he'll just end up like his wife: turned villain in this ill constructed plot that defeats and betrays his entire purpose and character. I mean, yeah, there is something to be said about them trying to fit things to the plan they've laid out, and they definitely should have kept everything under wraps until things were ready. However, I find it incredibly difficult to say than any plan has been acted on until Loki really. Everything else just feels like filler in a multiverse that should be expanding, but isn’t. We do definitely need more solo stories to focus on their own stakes and problems, but we also need the cratives to effectively communicate to each other whatever plans they do have so that the actions and characters are consistent within the world of the MCU, so that things can actually push forward, puzzle pieces fit together and then we can all get hyped for the next event. I know there are good points in this video, but I think whatever plan they did have fell apart years ago, so much so that I don't really see how it can be said that they're trying to stick to something. I don't see a plan. I see a release schedule, and then I see a discombobulated mess next to that schedule. All I know is that communication and collaboration is not a thing happening with whatever powers that are responsible, and they definitely need to fix that.
Yup, when you play Iron Man, next to Captain America, next to Guardians of the Galaxy, next to Dr Strange, next to Black Panther, it’s really easy to confuse which is which.
@@alexman378Right… because that’s what he’s referring to even though he’s clearly talking about the style of the films. Your explanation is exactly the same as it is now.
@@YourBlackLocal Uhhh, yeah, that’s also what I’m saying. Watch all four of those, even one scene from each, and go ahead and tell me they’re all within the same style.
@@YourBlackLocalKenneth Brannagh's directing shows in the first Thor movie - it's the second one that looks bland. Both Avengers movies are recognizable Wheedon's work. And Ant Man could have been great, but that's when the MCU started showing that Feige was going to have the last word. Still, it does look unique, purely because it is about Ant Man.
This isn't why the MCU is sh!t though. It's sh!t because of the agendas. It's actually good to have a vision and I'm sure there was room for change built into their vision, but they're not building good movies/shows - they're pushing agendas.
“Johnathan Majors is a great actor. But he’s replaceable because the character comes first.” Funny. I wish more people felt that way about Chadwick Boseman and Black Panther.
@@maelguiraud3568 Yeah. But you know who else died recently? The man who played General Thunderbolt Ross. And when he passed on he was quickly recasted.
@@AugustRx William Hurt. The actor for General Ross. He passed away but nobody said that Disney shouldn't recast him. And Disney wasted no time, as they got Harrison Ford to take the role. So Griffin is kinda right. The character comes first. But Disney and Marvel Studios didn't think about that for T'Challa/Black Panther. So why is it that General Ross is different? And will they have the guts to replace Majors with a new actor for Kang?
Imo i think Fiegie should ignore most of this video. Problems with the mcu is oversaturation or too much too fast. And Fiegie being promoted from marvel studios thereby doing what its advised in this video and relying on others like creatives to make up for areas Fiegie couldn't realistically keep doing himself. Wlonso out her amazon film before marvel studios. The increase of projects so quickly is not giving enough time for quality vfx qnd writing etc. Fiegie knows this and is slowing down more and more every few months. Fiegie needs to do the opposite of this vid and take MORE CONTROL of mcu projects. Wait for mcu x men until AFTER the multiverse saga. Just use fox men nostalgia for now as a kind of oast HOORAH. Fiegie needs to be more hands on and finely tune every mcu project and bring vfx as much qs possible in house instead of outsourced which most is right now amd quality can be more finely tuned if in-house look at lucasfilm for example of in house vfx being great. Less reliance on takent and creatives. More strictness in who is hired. More figie control not less because phase four was the least fiegie control, relying on directors and writers and look howbit turned out.
Good video. Also, as the old saying goes, sometimes it's easier to see things clearer looking from the outside in than it is from looking from the inside out.
9:29 Fiegie did EXACTLY that. Not every phase four and 5 project has been part of a "plan". Very few, most haven't. The multiverse saga has allowed for the most creativity since phase one.
If by “creativity” you mean “throwing all the random, nonsensical shit at the wall hoping something sticks, yet nothing (other than Spider-Man which is Sony not Disney) does,” than sure.
@@UnkownSoldier100 No. I define "creativity" in this conversation as freedom for directors and writers to make a film they want to make without worrying about the rest of the mcu. Examples: Black widow- full creative control to Scarlett Johansen who was executive producer Eternals-Chloe Zhao's full creative control Love and Thunder- full creative control to Taikia Waititi Loki Season 1 +2-Tom Hiddelston full creative control as executive producer like Scar Jo Wakanda Forever-Full creative control to Coogler Werewolf by night- fulll creative control to director and composer Micheal Giaachino Guardians Christmas special and vol 3- Gunn given full creative control
I disagree that doom should be in fantastic four. Introduce him right, not just in the first fantastic four film like every other fantastic four film where he is defeated from the start. Thanos wasn't defeated directly in the Avengers. Fans are upset kang has been defeated so often
That’s because he was always a massive hack. Ike Perlmutter, Jon Favereau, James Gunn, Joss Whedon, and The Russo Brothers are the true masterminds behind The MCU’s success, not Kevin Fraud.
Just hear this out When the trailer was gonna come for Avengers 4 which was endgame we weren't sure about the name at all until the trailer And now we know the titles of movies coming after 3 and 4 yrs
The Marvels was decent and it wasn’t made specifically for me. I didn’t play with Barbies when I was a kid because they were not tailored to me but I never hated that my sisters had a shit ton of them
Sure act like the Infinity Saga are all perfect movies, as if Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and the first Captain Marvel don't exist.
This "letter" is aimed at the wrong person, Bob Iger and Bob Chapek took this franchise in the wrong direction and drove it to the grave. I very much agree things need fixing, and I have faith Marvel will be revived somehow, someway, but the CEO's are to blame, Kevin Feige is the reason any of this has been remotely good in the first place.
@@alexman378 MoM, made 955 million dollars, WF made 845 million dollars, love and thunder made 760 milliom thats not floundering. Guardians vol 3 made 845 million thats a smash hit.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 Not a single one of those was a 2023 release, and L&T barely broke even. $845M on a $250M budget + marketing budget is nowhere near a smash hit, it’s barely making some profit.
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The MCU is truly dead and Kevin Fucknut is the reason why.
@@trevturp6891is not Kevin's fault its Michael Waldron he should not be writing kang dynasty.
@@trevturp6891Calm down bruv. He's the reason it was flourishing too. They've clearly seen the reception & are pivoting for a change.
No it's the higher ups at Disney
It's dead. Go woke, go broke.
If we’re talking about what *nearly* killed the MCU after Endgame, it’s not mainly Kevin Feige but the Disney executives and their greed. Greed being an all-too-common reason for what start the downfall of so many great things we experience in life.
Film is art, and as soon as it becomes a product being marketed towards investors in conferences and presentations you've lost the point.
Marvel films used to be cinema, but now they're a product sold to investors to increase the profits of Disney executives. There's no heart anymore. It's all about the money.
What are you talking about? It’s his fault, he’s in charge of the MCU and its direction. He shared responsibility with an executive and then was given full control after Endgame.
If he doesn't get the blame for this garbage then he doesn't get the praise for the Infinity Saga. It's was the Disney Execs that was the main cause. You see how dumb that sounds? He's the head of the studio, it's on him.
It’s his fault as well bro. You can’t think someone has nothing be blamed for when it shows that person is still involved. If it wasn’t his fault he would call it out or actually try to not intervene that much.
Marvel movie succeeding : "praise our lord Kevin"
Marvel movie failing:"damm executives"
The irony of it all is that everything after Endgame feels like random stuff thrown against the wall with zero planning. The projects don't have a single coherent narrative thread between them and major developments that should impact the wider universe are completely forgotten from project to project.
What do u mean there is no zero plan the plan is the multiverse saga.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098and it sucks
The video said that the mcu is failing because there trying to make everything fit into a single narrative causing trouble for the movies to become there own thing.
It would have been so amazing for Phase 4 to have individual stories again like a Phase 1 (Shang Chi was sort of this way minus the end credits). Introduce some new characters, but the common thread is the aftermath of the Blip and how it has changed the world. These would have self-contained and the audience reception could have determined who to continue to follow.
The older Marvel characters with completed character arcs could have shown up as cameos or as mentor figures, depending on the movie, or for an Avengers-level threat. This would have kept the audience on their toes and appreciated when an Infinity character returned. The remaining major Infinity Arc characters with more to contribute (like Wanda or Dr. Strange) could have been key players in Avengers-level threats,
We didn't need to immediately go into the multiverse as a result of what the Avengers did. We needed to explore the consequences of the Blip. The heroes and villains forged in thew new world after the Blip occurred due to the circumstances of the Blip. Extending out from there, you could explore the X-Men or Inhumans-type vibe (maybe the Blip did it with cosmic energy), or the rise of a villain with motivations who ultimately does something to unlock multiversal power, becoming the next Thanos-level threat.
Also, they needed a new Big Three to establish to follow as the anchors amidst the other heroes. I didn't care for seeing every character pass a torch or grow old and bitter or be somehow connected to a previous one.
I like the idea of the mutants being given powers by the blip
With respect, you’re putting the wrongful blame on Kevin Feige. Yes, he’s head of Marvel Studios, but it was Bob Chapek and Bob Iger who spread Feige too thin with all the Disney Plus Marvel shows and mandated that he have them. Feige doesn’t have time to oversee everything that comes out in the MCU.
When MCU is successful
Marvel NPCs: Good Job Kevin
When MCU is TRASH GARBAGE
Marvel NPCs:It's not Kevin's fault😂😂😂😂😂😂
The woke BS was feige's idea
kevin isnt responsible for the sucess just the downfall, kevin only took over in totality
in 2019
This. When it was just MCU movies, Feige had enough time to do proper QA. Once he also had to oversee all the Disney+ shows too, he couldn't possibly hold everything to the same high quality.
not to mention the firing of james gunn didnt seem like a feige choice and he was suppose to help run the mcu
Thank you FilmSpeak, you voiced my exact issue with bringing in Fox’s X-Men through multiverse. I hate the idea honestly. I wanted fresh, MCU take on X-Men more to the comics, not variants 🤦🏾♂️
Honestly, I felt similarly towards No Way Home. It was cool to see the three Spider-Men get back together and the movie as a whole was still good, but I wanted to see new renditions of those classic Spider-Man villains.
@gabrielhagedorn5942 because Kevin told willem dafoe and alfred molina can't be replaced they played their role too good
@@gabrielhagedorn5942 the “Home” series sucked, it was built on a crappy foundation that’s why it’s the trilogy is an origin story for Tom’s spider-man ie a waste of time. The goofy marvel multiverse saved Sony’s Spider-Man with the spectacle of all the live action Spider-Man (Sony) and the “Miles Morales” movies.
X people are done for
@@sarov7658 The MCU is finished. As much as I want them to reap what they’ve sown, the “X-people” will draw audiences back in. If “Deadpool 3” is good it’ll trick people back in seats.
Feige isn't the problem - it's Bob Chapek. Chapek came in and decided to have every minor MCU character have a spinoff series so they could flood Disney+ with content. Feige couldn't oversee everything and quality dipped.
Thank you
It's downright frightening how many people go out of their way NOT to blame Bob Iger or Bob Chapek
They're all the problem tbh, The execs think marvel is just a cookie machine that will sell regardless of how shit the cookies are and how many of them you make. Feige is the problem because the creative direction has been less than poor. Every major movie outside of No Way Home (Sony) and Guardians 3 (Gunn) has just been a creative disaster. The shows are even worse, it's so obvious they just want cheap copycat more diverse replacements for the original avenger heroes. Iron man gets a black female replacement, captain america gets a black replacement, hawkeye gets a female replacement. Even captain marvel has already been replaced by a pakistani replacement. It's just getting ridiculous and not cause of the race but because they aren't giving these people their own identity. Why make a new Iron man if you could make an original character? Like I get that the OG cast was probably done with the characters and wanted out, but don't just replace them with the exact same characters but a different look. Sam was a character in his own right but the Falcon was completely discarded to make him the new Captain America. The same goes for Shuri and then I haven't even talked about the absolute massacre of characters like Docter Strange, Wanda and Thor (who also had a short female replacement). There's just no creative drive anymore to make any interesting new characters just the same but with different looks.
@@Chuck_ELIt’s all of their faults Marvel fell off.
Great Video. Unfortunately, it's been reported that shareholders forced Feige's hand in announcing the next phase, including projects that were not even in development. I don't thinks it's entirely fair to blame him for that specifically, since he was forced into it. The rest of the video I agree with though.
Let's not forget Kevin was the one under who's guidance we got 10 yrs of successful MCU run.
@@Vor567tezis right he’s full responsible for literally everything after Endgame.
Kang can’t be recast, unless he’s convicted. He’s got a character clause in his contract. Something Evans sparked when he was recast in Captain America. So the only chance they’ve got of recasting is hinged upon the Good Samaritan clause that would void the contract if he’s convicted of a crime.
I've long suspected that "The Lineup" is really for the shareholders not the fans. Hype is the real currency of the stock market.
@@rachelvoiles9699Majors has now been convicted and dropped by Marvel.
Phase 4 should have been completely dedicated to building the X-men world solely, while giving everything else in the MCU a cooling off period, let the X-men discover the multiverse, that would explain their absence from the last 3 phases and then in Phase 5 start to combine them all, a missed opportunity.
The marvels was perfect especially because of that, I don’t mind a slow pace keep in mind COVID really impacted it
@@booziebadazz1692 Not my cup of tea but glad you liked it
They couldn’t use the mutants just yet, that’s why they’re waiting until phase 6 and beyond.
@@themanofshadows They could, they just didn't.
In my perfect world, Captain Marvel 2 would be one of the first entries to Phase 4. It would try to fix her character and the movie would start with her being as overpowered and cold as people thought she was the first time around (maybe piercing through a spaceship to save people from another planet, but scaring them off in the process), then she would return to Earth for whatever reason, learning that the snaps created mutants as a side effect and she would have to face Rogue who, mislead by Mystique, would take Carol's powers away and then have a redemption arc along the story. And that's it. Maybe Monica would receive her powers through Rogue while trying to save Carol, then Carol would have to trust Monica and rebuild their relationship till her powers were back by the end of the movie.
Then they'd have infinite ways to introduce the X-Men. Maybe Magneto could have a modernized adaptation of his origin with Hydra instead of Nazis while Professor X could be focused on gathering mutants in the five years jump.
They seriously should focus more on x men and ff4 at this point. FF4 comic saved marvel back in the day, so it'll be a nice touch if the movie saves MCU
They already had like 3 F4 movies fail though. They really need to make this one hit to bring it back.
Lol one hit isn't gonna save them.@dr.boring7022
Mcu has problems but it doesnt need saving.
Kevin Feige is the one who killed the MCU? I thought it was Disney.
He’s an extension of Disney’s extreme liberal beliefs and propaganda
The MCU was doing fine after Disney bought it. When Kevin Fucknut got his damned hands on The MCU, he destroyed it.
@@trevturp6891but he created the mcu.
@@trevturp6891 Add on to Tevya, he has a clear vision for the universe in phase 1-3, on top of that he found the Russo brothers as well.
@@trevturp6891Literally he's been there since X-Men what are you on?
I might be wrong but I'm not sure it was Feige's idea to have a plan. To me, this screams Disney meddling and wanting to not only keep the gravy train rolling but to make the gravy train bigger with Disney+ shows.
It wasn't. Dude don't know wtf he's talking about. Disney CEO literally came out and revealed what was wrong.
@@djdubc09271 Facts
@@djdubc09271 Exactly
@@djdubc09271 Agreed
@@djdubc09271
Never seen so many people defending a shitty CEO
Feige didn’t kill the MCU, it was running perfectly until all his authority was taken away by Chapek
"... because the character matters more." Great line. If only they had remembered that when they should have recast T'Challa.
Yeah, that might be a controversial opinion but I agree. It's a tragedy that Chadwick Boseman died. But would be have really wanted the character to die with him? With a project this large, I don't know that it would be smart to kill off every character whose actor died. In the comics, these characters are always larger than life and they're written and drawn by a wide variety of people. Comics don't usually stop because someone involved dies. I get not recasting him right away though.
@@aweirdwombat yea the overreaction
My issue the same people bitched and moaned about a Tony Stark variant then because big TH-cam channels/content click bait farms kept lying about A iron man variant played by Tom Cruise in the MCU and people ate it up and wanted it
How can you be a successful movie studio if you're taking cues from moronic shill channels who make up shit to get ad revenue?
One minute people want a end game type of film...then they complain about tv shows and movies being a end game cash cow
The Marvels is probably the last Marvel movie made in the Chapek era. I think the films afterwards like Capt America 4, Thunderbolts, Blade & Fantastic 4 is really where we gonna see the change Iger was talking about
It’s crazy how much of this video is just blatantly wrong. Marvel & Kevin have always interfered with films, clashed with directors, and spent too much time setting up sequels. None of this is new.
They clashed with Jon Favreau and forced him to set up The Avengers in Iron Man 2. They clashed with Joss Whedon and forced him to set up the Infinity Stones in Age of Ultron, even threatening to remove the farm sequence if he didn’t comply.
Also, the argument about each film being announced to early and feeling like a stepping stone is nothing new either. Are we forgetting that in October 2014, Kevin Feige had a press conference and announced the titles and release dates for every Phase 3 project? Literally 4 years worth of films announced at once.
The MCU isn’t in great shape right now, but don’t act like these issues are new. These have been known issues for over a decade, but nobody cared back then because the movies still turned out great.
It's really hard to blame one individual for the failure of a franchise. Movies are created by the team, and, therefore, the fault lies within the creative team. So far, the MCU lacks a leading man/woman who fills Iron Man and Captain American roles. As a result, every subsequent sequel feels as pointless as the last one. With no roles assigned to these protagonists, it feels like they don't serve a purpose to the universe and will just be forgotten about until the next Avengers movie (probably). The question then becomes, why should we watch these movies if they are just disposable products? While some might say for their entertainment factor, Marvel hasn't produced an entertaining movie in quite a bit. Sure, they might make a good movie every once in and while, but they're inconsistency in doing so has made the audience distrust them. So, in conclusion, Marvel needs to decide who their main characters are and stop with the smorgasbord approach so they can get back on track.
EDIT: Nowhere did I say that Feige doesn't deserve to shoulder some of the blame. Read before you comment.
I don't know. Kevin received all the praise for the first three parts of the MCU as the "brilliant mind" behind it. Now that Marvel movies became nothing but everything wrong with phases one, two and three, I think it's fitting to put the blame on him as well. He got more and more control over the years.
People tend to forgot, but I remember how Joss Whedon was bummed out after Age of Ultron BECAUSE of studio interference, Feige's interference. Same for Patty Jenkins leaving The Dark World so Marvel could release that shit.
The problem is, as said in the video, how everything feels so over produced now. Phase One, the Guardians movies and Winter Soldier (and Infinity War) were good because there were filmmakers doing their job. They have a heart. The more interference a movie gets, the more it will feel disjointed, silly, etc. And that's what's happening right now.
They won't let the crew do their job, they'll fix it in post. Then the screenwriters will have to keep rewriting shit even after filming is done, directors will butch the movie to add any stupid scene the producers feel like adding, FX team will overwork because Marvel can't decide if Hella will face Thor in an alley, a cliff or Asgard and everything will look like an unfinished mess because of it. Marvel looks more and more cheap looking over the years when budget is getting bigger everytime. Even Sam Raimi, who's a great director, released a shitty movie under the MCU, way worse than Spider-Man 3 and even worse looking.
What I mean is, they should go back to basics, creating an outline of where the universe is going and allowing creatives to create so they get to find new protagonists to this universe and the next saga. For the most part, Marvel Comics never needed Iron Man and Captain to keep going and I think the MCU can do the same.
Idk, didn't you listen to the video? Kevin Faige is THE autocratic creative team. Nia DaCosta said, "it's his film". Also, if he can receive the praises as the God who helmed the Infinity Saga, then he sure deserves the blame.
Well everyone sure likes to give him all the praise for the Infinity Saga so how is it not fair to give him all the blame. He doesn't get to be called the greatest studio producer for the first part of the MCU while the absolute garbage he's made is pushed under the rug.
So, suddenly all the writes became bad? Like Sam, the fucking creator of the most aclaimed trilogy of super heroes movies? The girl who directed candyman and is know for making good movies since her debuty? Suddenly, those writers e and directors became bad? When the only thing in commum is that kevin is there to intervine?
Excuses Excuses. It was obviously Kevin Feige. The Director of THE MARVELS said that THE MARVELS is Kevin Feige's movie and that its his production and guess what? It FLOPPED harder.
Honestly for me I loved guardians of the galaxy volume 3 it was really awesome.
Guardians 3 was the exception not the rule. It's a holdout from phase 3
@@redmondbaker8496 technically guardians 3 is from phase 5 this year not phase 3.
@@TevyaSmolkaI think he means that it feels like a movie from Phase 3 - the golden days of the MCU.
@@ironbro2794 ah gotcha that makes sense.
I was just thinking about how James Gunn is metaphorically rocket raccoon and the other animals in cages are the directors or creatives that Marvel/Disney(high evolutionary) kills but rocket ends up killing him and escaping so I was just thinking I should rewatch because that’s pretty heavy
I happen to agree with much of what’s been said here. The blame does need to be appropriately spread out but ultimately Feige needed to step up and say “this isn’t right and this won’t work” but he didn’t. He put his stamp of approval on projects and he now needs to answer for it. With regard to some of the details being mentioned, I know it’s not confirmed but there are two rumors out there that seem to have a good shot at being true:
1, there’s some sort of contract they haven’t been able to get around with regard to the original Mutant characters & actors who portrayed them that has Marvel handcuffed until 2025
2, Majors may have a deal that says he and only he gets to play any and all Kang variants through a certain time. Basically they’ll have to cut ties if they want to move on with a variant and if he gets out of this mess they will have walked away from one of the better actors in Hollywood(he’s perfect for this role, similar to RDJ as Tony Stark or Cumberbach as S Strange)
The X-Men were recast in the prequel films and the TV shows Legion and Gifted, which was co-produced by Marvel. So that literally makes no sense. Acting contracts don't even work like that. The Kang thing sounds like BS too.
Yo miss me with that stamp of aproval bullshit, my dad tries to bring up the same shit but it’s a mute, outdated, & misinformed point. With all the pressure from execs above him, who the hell is Kevin to put a seal of approval on anything even if he legally could.
*^Answer me that question in all seriousness.*
…Wtf do u think would happen if he said no to something that Bob iger mandated….
*The greedy evil genius asshole would just have to remind Kevin how he personally helped Kevin cut ties to ike Perlmutter… twice…
Been waiting for someone to make a video about this specific topic for a while now and FINALLY you did it!
I think the train analogy at the end was perfect. For those that have been watching from the beginning we still have a deep love for the MCU and want them to course correct. But it’s getting harder and harder to stay on that train.
Something that has contributed to burnout with the MCU for a lot of people I know is the unrelenting pace at which content is coming out. There's so many shows and movies people can't keep up. Disney execs may think we all have the money and time for that and I understand that Disney's sole motive is to make a profit, but they would honestly make more profit with a few quality products rather than a deluge of mostly okay-ish ones.
Don’t get it twisted homie, Iron man 3 didn’t work either
It was good bro the mandarin was the big problem that's it
how? Was one of the greatest films I've ever seen..
Marvel needs to change the way they do things. For one, stop going into production with half baked scripts, plan ahead, give writers more time to write a cohesive narrative and that will lead to less reshoots & less likely to put more money on the budget. That’s why Loki was as good as it was
Nope the solution is cancel everything including the terribly bad Deadpool, Fantastic "Captian America" / Falcon movie, Eric. Reboot now and revast all characters to save the MCU from being trash entire since Endgame (inc Captain Marvel 1). Either retell Phase 4 or do a current DC reboot.
the mcu should have taken a break for 3 years . take the time to plan out the overall story arc and plan 3 movies and gauge the reaction from the fans.no streaming shows ...
Funny u said that iron man didnt have a finished script and its beloved to this day.
@@spiderjump no streaming shows some of them have been beloved so thats a dumb idea.
@@patarp1350 no they dont need to reboot.
I think its really interesting that most of the time these videos about how phase 4 has no plan but you explained how its too planned
About why Jonathan Majors isn't recast.
According to the Weekly Planets segment " Hot scoop or a shot of poop" Majors can't be recast. Because of the nature of multiverse, Majors was afraid to be recast so he put in his contract that ONLY he could play Kang in live action.
WTF!!!
As Iman Vellani has said we have no choice but to be patient and wait for the actual projects to come.
She and the entire studios are very much aware of the criticism and Marvel is working very hard to write actual good projects so it's good they are delaying majority of them.
The thing I don’t get why make project no one gave a fk about. They lost fans within an spam of 2 years. No way home was when fans actually came back it wasn’t forced woke it was good story telling and nostalgia that brought fans to invest. Now I would watch a thing they make because they hiring these woke writers that hate the source material and just writing story’s that society don’t even fk with. So they write for a delusional group of minority that’s what Disney is now an delusional group of minorities.
The book you mentioned states that Feige always exerted far more control over Marvel Studios movies than your average film exec or producer. It was always that way.
But Marvel Studios didn't sprint after the endgame. They had a COVID-imposed break, the longest in MCU history. And fans did miss them as seen by the success of early phase 4 in the covid era. The problems didn't catch up to Marvel Studios until the second-weekend drop of Multiverse of Madness and 2025. There should not be constant news of new plot leaks, cast and crew of the Kang Dynasty, and Secret Wars. Marvel needs to focus on making the slate they have now the best it can be and not securing the next far-away end-of-saga event. Great video man. I have hands down watched it already. It's crazy that Kevin Feige went from being one of the most trustable producers in Hollywood by the fans to a massive hack I think you gotta take a nuanced stance at the MCU from both a creative and financial perspective. The BRAND is strong...because your video exists. Only the Irrelevant dies these days and the MCU is far from it. What I think is the problem is SCOPE and FOCUS. Before, the MCU was limited by its infancy. Now, with all the confidence, money, and freedom, there was far less discipline in managing the direction of the Universe. I think what happened is that Covid made them panic, and then they over-corrected with the Disney Plus shows (except Loki, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, and WandaVision) and they took WAY too long to get back on track because they had already committed time, money and resources. I think that it needs to be considered HOW QUICKLY we react versus how much time it takes to create a quality movie and or show. It also needs to be considered that Disney's invisible hand is ALWAYS pulling away from creative quality with its overbearing presence. People have been saying the MCU is dead for 2 years!!!! It isn't dead. I think they can turn it around at the drop of a single movie and some excellent choices after that and there is no other product on EARTH that can say that or do that right now. Call me a contrarian. I hear a LOT of talk about why people don't like The Marvels. What I don't hear a lot about is people like me: Zero complaints about The Marvels because I walked away after Thor 4. Hell for all I know I'd love The Marvels. But after The Eternals, Black Widow, Dr. Strange 2, and Thor 4, I was done. Happy to take my Iron Man 1 to Endgame ball and walk away. I didn't skip The Marvels because of The Marvels. I skipped The Marvels because of what came before The Marvels. With respect, you’re putting the wrongful blame on Kevin Feige. Yes, he’s head of Marvel Studios, but it was Bob Chapek and Bob Iger who spread Feige too thin with all the Disney Plus Marvel shows and mandated that he have them. Feige doesn’t have time to oversee everything that comes out in the MCU. The MCU is in better shape than the DCEU. I disagree that Doom should be in the Fantastic Four. Introduce him right, not just in the first Fantastic Four film like every other Fantastic Four film where he is defeated from the start. Thanos wasn't defeated directly in the Avengers. Fans are upset Kang has been defeated so often Kevin Fraud doesn’t own The Success of The Infinity Saga, Ike Perlmutter, Jon Favreau, James Gunn, Joss Whedon, and The Russo Brothers on the success of The Infinity Saga. Disney killed the MCU after Stan Lee died. I’m sure this video is insightful and probably raises some good points but man… you’re leaning really heavily toward clickbait with that title and thumbnail. I thought Chepak killed the MCU? Let 'em die man...m-she-u is done. Do not recast yet. Learn from pirates. The upcoming MCU projects are What If Season 2, echo, Deadpool, Armour Wars, blade, Captain America Brave New World, Spiderman Freshman Year, X-Men 1997, and Thunderbolts. That's plenty of projects that don't need Kang even mentioned to wait until after this trial. Slow down productions and push the Kang dynasty back as needed. It's odd how many white MCU fans are so quick to recast black actors like Majors and Boseman. Slow down production and wait. After the trial recast or rehire Most of y’all say that you don’t care about Marvel now but when Deadpool 3, Fantastic 4, and the next two Avengers movies come out y’all will be there opening weekend, stop kidding yourselves y’all still care for this franchise.
i disagree if it wernt for Fegie i wount of seen Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe return after 20 Years in No Way Home since 2007 im glad they did that my love for the Raimi films returned in this film
That movie was made by Sony, not that hack and if it weren’t for Feige, then the continuity of The Raimi Movies and The Webb Movies wouldn’t have been contradicted by Spider-Man Yes Way Godawful.
Interesting. I really like and appreciate this video. The inflexibility of 'The Plan' compared to what it was before, the argument for recasting Kang instead of panic switching to Doom, (reminiscent of Neve Campbell as a reaction to Barrera's and Ortega's departure from Scream 7) rather than serving the character and story, all brilliantly argued and well thought out. I would make 2 observations. 1. Victoria Alonso, purely from a business standpoint, (morally and personally may be different) needed to go. And that firing had little to nothing to do with VFX issues. They happened long before she went, and continue long after. It had to do with repping another studio at an Awards event and the perception of that.
2. Curious how in this entire video there is no mention of Bob Chapek and the consistent allusion to Kevin Feige having overall control-when it's well documented that they are mutually exclusive. The overruse of Disney+ as a Marvel jockey for a vast array of content that isn't great, and dilutes the brand? Chapek was the one who had control over that, and switched priority to it, made decisions to dump Pixar and Black Widow on Streaming, worsening relations between talent and Pixar. The installing of financiers in place of creatives-in a move that won't be fully wrung of consequences until his demanded slate finishes in 2025-leading to a loss of oversight and creative and quality control. Chapek.
Don't get me wrong, as said above, I think you make some excellent points and arguments, and I agree with a lot of them. And I am not proposing all blame gets laid at 1 man's feet, but there is an undeniable correlation between the couple of decisions above, and the quality decline of Marvel. Your heading is also blatant clickbait, as, thankfully, you don't actually argue the title-I feared it would be the Star Wars/DC fan trajectory of we loved Rian, until we hated the Last Jedi, now he's the worst thing to ever happen to the brand (have you not seen RoS?) and should never touch it again. It's not dead. It's at a crossroads, but hopefully, with creative control returned, in 2025, with the benefit of a break, we can get back to what we loved for a decade.
Listen, I have my own problems with the modern MCU. But, a lot of these videos I see not just from this channel but also from a lot of others is that they just repeat the same thing. While some of that is true like the movies and shows just aren't as good as they used to be. A lot of them come out as contradictory or just not true. A lot of people like to say, "The MCU feels disconnected" but also say, "Everything feels like it's just building up to a grand plan". "The MCU should diversify itself and focus more on solo projects", "Where are we going? There's no clear thread like Thanos or the Infinity Stones.", "You're relying on the Multiverse too much", "It's supposed to be the Multiverse Saga, but the Multiverse is barely in any projects", etc. If I was Marvel, I would be confused because of all the mixed signals everyone is throwing at me. I would also be confused because some of the problems people are saying, just aren't true. The MCU does have solo projects that are self-contained like Thor 4, Shang Chi, and GOTG 3. It also has projects that are connected to the wider plot like NWH, Loki and Dr. Strange 2. So I'm not really sure what people are talking about when they try to say one side doesn't exist.
Both the side stories and interconnected stories have the same problems. Mistreatment of the characters and the universe. Doesn't really matter if it looks like they have a plan. It's not working. Thor 4 was a failure that continued the trend of making Thor into a complete idiot. No Way Home was actively changed because they were so desperate to have the power of nostalgia from the other Spidermen. This actively hurt the story of Dr. Strange 2 which was supposed to be much more connected to the events of No Way Home. Reduced Dr. Strange to a secondary character in his own film. Loki was meh at best. The events of Loki seem to only sort of matter in Ant Man 3, and that was another failure. And Kang was defeated yet again. The reason it's not so simple is because there are so many damn problems with everything the MCU is putting out. None of it is working. People aren't showing up, but they are full steam ahead. Not changing a damn thing. Just putting more content out.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp least in thor 4 the character has his hammer back and a renewed purpse. Also strange was the lead character of his film people who say he wasnt are being morons. Actually people have shown up.
@mutalemwananshiku4098 Thor is an absolute fool in Thor 4, and his "purpose" doesn't fit with his character. Not a natural progression of the character. Makes no sense. It bombed. Dr. Strange was sidelined in order to prop up Scarlett Witch. No big journey for strange, just a side mission and then he didn't even defeat the villain. She just defeated herself. This movie was such a waste of potential in every sense. It too failed to make enough money. Another failure. Just a freaking mess.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp his new purpose is to be hero to other alien races. It made 760 million it didnt bomb. No big journey? he goes from being afraid of letting go of his past and by the end makes peace with it. If strange didnt show up to empower america she would have been dead. Wanda killing herself is similar to doc ock defeating himself in spider-man 2.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp how does his purpose not fit his character. It made 760 million it didnt bomb.
Strange wasnt sidelined. He did defeat the villian it just wasnt a big over the top cgi battle.
The Fantastic 4 or the X-Men really should be the main characters that we follow (I would have said Black Panther or Dr. Strange but they messed that up). The Fantastic 4 definitely should be the main focus going forward imo
How have they messed up doctor strange ? And black panther is right now their most dominant franchise. Alsp the f4 are coming.
They didn’t mess up Black Panther and Dr. Strange.
Finally someone said it, the FOX-Men need to be a thing of the past. Why the hell are they dragging out legacy charaters from a franchise that had to be reset a few times, where a mere third or so of the movies were any good or even well received at the box office and most of the characters were not done any justice to begin with?
I don't remember where I heard this quote from, I think it was something related to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but I think about every time I hear about people meticulously planning ahead. It goes like this:
"The measure of a good leader is not by how well the plan goes, but by how well they are able to adapt when the plan inevitably goes wrong."
Course correction is a vital skill for massive projects like the MCU, and Kevin Feige announcing films and shows so far in advance is like the exact opposite of that.
It's also too much content too quickly, forcing people to watch Disney+ shows to keep up with the movies and overall storyline. I blame Disney and their greed more so than Kevin. This whole mess would've been avoided if the Disney+ shows were not directly connected to the main MCU story and after Endgame, the MCU took a break for a year or two then started individual movies again with the X-Men or Fantastic Four, slowly incorporating back characters from the Infinity Saga after they built up these new characters and introduced Kang or Doom. It would've felt like a much more natural progression. The movies now are stepping stones, there's no individual identity or soul in any of them, even when you bring in a wacky, cool, unique director like Sam Raimi.
I completely agree! If they wanna do disney shows, then fine, but the audience should be able to watch the movies, without having to watch any show to keep up with it. I honestly believe disney was what ruined everything
There should not be constant news of new plot leaks, cast and crew of Kang Dynasty and Sercet Wars. Marvel needs to focus on making the slate they have now the best it can be and not securing the next far away end of saga event.
Main issues I see are
1) they want every movie to be endgame level. All billion dollar films, the characters fight the big evil, take ant man wtf is he fighting kang, he is a C list hero meant for comedy and a goofy heist film. Not very character has to be a Cap or Iron man, the characters have their own mini bugle universe of differing tone and stakes. Spider-Man is a neighbourhood hero fighting Russian bank robbers not multiverse aliens (unless it’s in a team up not his own solo film)
2) they haven’t ended the stories of the OG characters and so the new generations can’t have their time. Phase 4 for should have been a time of reflection and closing the chapter on the Infinity saga characters. Then have the new ones have their own origin story and take over the mantle.
3) they all feel disconnected as they don’t reference each other ie there is a giant celestial in the ocean. Every film doesn’t seem to matter in the sense that there is no characters only plot. They all have the same tone, look etc so it all blends into one.
4) the multiverse was a mistake, why should I Cara about a character if there is another version out there who could just take their place, the stakes are gone, variants complicate everything because characters are expendable.
5) too many stories. We have kang, the multiverse, variants, the scrolls, scarlet witch, celestials. There are so many things introduced then dropped. Which links to too many releases, we need quality over quantity. A marvel film used to be a big event, a valid reason to go to the cinema and spend the money, now I can wait until it’s on streaming because the quality isn’t there, I haven’t gone to the cinema to see a marvel film since Doctor Strange two. The last film I watched was Thor but got bored so turned it off and just watched a review to get the gist
I love the channel but this take is 100% wrong. The Board approves/gives orders to C-suite execs at Walt Disney Co who then give orders to the head of Disney Entertainment who then gives orders to subsidiary studio heads (one of which is Kevin Feige). Kevin Feige DISAGREES with the path the MCU has taken after Endgame. The REAL factor you should have blamed? *THE BOARD* & corporate restructuring for misunderstanding how Feige made the MCU so valuable & ignorantly trying to milk more profit out of something already successful.
I'm fine with "a plan" when it means planning ahead, because if you need to coordinate so many characters and plot threads you can't do _Lost_ series formulate, which was: Just keep adding more characters and "mysteries" and hope at some point it will all magically fall in place (it won't), instead of bits of Lore contradicting each other.
But the problem of having A PLAN in capital letters that everything must bow to is... look, if you've ever played a tabletop roleplaying game, where the gamemaster is supposed to problem the worldbuilding framework and a character-driven story that changes according to what the players do in it with their characters.
But you know what happens if you have a bad gamemaster who wrote what is basically a novel and expects the player characters to become mere puppets in the gamemaster's grand design who should play out the scene the way the GM envisioned them beforehand. And every deviation from the path is blocked or punished.
Look, plot-driven stories can work just fine and be interesting: Just look at the James Bond movies, where James Bond is basically a cypher who does not need character development... he's there to solve the problem posed by the villain. Same goes for any Disaster genre movie, where things happen to random protagonists. Or most Murder Mystery plots, where the detective may have persnal quirks but the character arrives fully formed with the goal to solve the mystery.
But the MCU has always been character-driven, an ensemble piece, a tapestry and mosaic of individual stories, heroes and villains, coming together. The Loki series remembered this.
Interesting.
In addition, there's also another negative side effect to having a "plan". More specifically, a misplaced plan as I would refer it. As part of the way the show, How I Met Your Mother ended, was due to the creators having had planned ahead as to how they wanted to end the last few minutes of the show. It may have been part of the plan but it regressed 3 of the main characters & did one major character dirty.
I also agree in that part of what made the first 3 phases of the MCU was through a character driven choice of storytelling.
One problem is over saturation. What makes something valuable is scarcity. If everyone had a Rolex, it wouldn’t be special
Imo a smart move for any ceo or corporation that owns a studio and or set of rights to a character would be very simple.
Ask them to make whatever films and shows, ask for updates every so often to see how they’re getting on, give them the monetary wealth they need but lightly enforce a limit on the time and money they have, not a deadline or low amount but just something to not give them unchecked power.
Because sometimes creatives get too in depth with their stuff when it’s not needed, I know.
Old is gold, the new generation of writers and leaders just dropped the ball and lost it.
8:50 Civil War didn’t make the Avengers lose in Infinity War. Iron Man was literally the only Avenger who wasn’t fighting in Wakanda so no they weren’t divided. I do agree that people over exaggerate how planned the story of the MCU is.
But marvel studios didn't sprint after endgame. They had a covid imposed break, longest in mcu history. And fans did miss them as seen by the success of early phase 4 in the covid era. The problems didn't catch up to marvel studios until second weekend drop of multiverse of madness and 2022.
Disney killed the MCU after Stan Lee died.
Correction, Kevin Feige killed The MCU, after Stan Lee died.
I’m sure this video is insightful and probably raises some good points but man… you’re leaning real heavy toward clickbait with that title and thumbnail.
Okay, does anyone that says Thor 2 didn't work actually have a video or something to explain how and why? Because I actually enjoyed it, especially for the Loki parts, and I want to understand what makes it so bad. I'll grant you, it is not the strongest film, but I see it as average at worst. Is there a detailed breakdown somewhere that says more that just, "It didn't work," because that explains nothing, yet it's all I ever hear.
I'm more frustrated I don't have an explanation than anything. Like, I'd put Thor 2 above Captain Marvel, the Eternals, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Dr. Strange 2 and Ms Marvel from what I've seen, and I could even explain why on all those, but I just want to understand what makes Thor 2 the dog y'all absolutely have to kick in any Marvel discussion.
The MCU has to end. This is Disney’s fault because since they have no creativity with their animation side of things, they leaned too hard on the mcu therefore milking it and putting Feige in a tough position. But to me, the MCU has to end. Bring all the characters back (avengers, X-men, everyone) in a couple of years so it doesn’t get old and make people hype about them making more movies.
Marvel has plenty of characters to use so it doesnt need to emd. No they shouldnt just bring back the avengers.
It would be good if Marvel would use the blast from Thanos’ use of the stones as a reason why some people become mutants. Even those who were born since the snap. They would be teenagers now which is perfect for times for mutants to gain their powers.
The MCU should never have tried to outdo Endgame and the Infinity Saga straight after it ended. The Eternals should have been where the Eternals realised humans are worthwhile and the Avengers triumphing over Thanos proved it. Then there should have been some kind of Intergalactic Council that decided Earth deserved protection and the Celestials left Earth alone instead of laying an egg in it. This should have closed off all the cosmic storylines for Phase 4 and 5. Then the MCU could have given audiences a rest and become more grounded again instead of the tedious and expensive CG crapfests they've been for too long.
The Disney+ shows started to distort the vision of the cinematic experience because everyone didn't have subscriptions to keep up with stories.
The X-men and Spider-man were more popular than the Avengers especially during the 90's and together with the first Blade movie paved the way for Superhero movies. Its kinda disrespectful when they're just gonna multiverse the X-men into existence especially when the X-men were one of the pioneers of superhero movies 'cause remember unlike the Avengers they didn't need to make individual films to establish the group. Thats how popular they were back then, that even as a group you can still know who's who.
The MCU is not over. It's living to fight another day. It may lose a battle, but it hasn't lost the war. And it was never Kevin Feige who fought the losing battle. It was Bob Chapek who did and Kevin was just as much the victim as we MCU fans are being Bob's bitch and all. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Yup that’s right Bob chapek ruined everything
I don’t mean to be a dick and if I am, then I’m very sorry, but I will correct you, because you’re wrong. The MCU is truly over. Not only did it lose the battle, but it also lost the war. It should have ended in 2019, after Spider-Man Far From Home. Kevin Fagot fought the losing battle as much as Bitch Chapek. He’s wasn’t ever the victim, because he’s the main cause for The MCU’s downfall. Fortunately Nelson Peltz will fire and replace him with Ike Perlmutter who is the true mastermind behind the creation and success of The MCU, not Fagot.
@@TevyaSmolka Ahh ok that makes sense
@trevturp6891 You're absolutely right. You are a dick and the narcissist/apologist in me couldn't disagree more. Had it all ended after Far From Home, we'd be devoid of a resolution from its cliffhanger that was No Way Home. We knew it'd be far from over after Endgame, and we knew the next saga wouldn't be as good as the Infinity Saga. What we didn't know was that it'd be bashed to death like a broken record by cynics and satanists like yourself to the point that it's exhausted me. People should try and watch other movies and shows outside the MCU that are far worse. Like Verotika, Son of the Mask, Baby Geniuses, better yet Captain America (1990) or some shit like that. I know it sounds like I'm deflecting or sugarcoating the MCU's unfairly hated state like a mindless shill who defends and justifies anything with the rose-painted Marvel Studios logo above it, but you've already pissed in my cereal and I'm just returning the favor. Good day to you, sir! 😤
@@palmmahir3888 indeed
Problem with X-Men is there’s apparently a clause in the old actors' agreements that they cannot be recast until 2025 or 2026
That's been disproven. If that were true than why were many of the X-Men recast in the prequel films? They were also recast in the TV shows, which were co-produced by Marvel.
I feel like MCU is never truly over but it has ebbs and flows
The MCU is truly over.
Yea I do think the pandemic caused some problems but I'm putting hopium faith in phase 5 and 6 to get better
True, and even these guys know. But you know..... where will they get the content to generate views?
I feel like they really should end it permanently with Secret Wars. The size of it is just getting way too big.
I think they should have recast T'challa. No disrespect to Chadwick. Feige and Coogler put their heads together and decided against it.
Can't wait for next year when a new project comes out and it's titled "THE MCU SAVED?!"
Feige won't let the Fox X Men go because that's how he got his start producing super hero films. I'm sure in his own private head canon those will always be "his" Xmen
Lol those X men films were all rubbish.
The mcu is dead.
Most people have lost interest
The only reason we haven't gotten a proper introduction of mutants in the MCU is because of a prior contractual obligation stating that nobody could be recast before 2025. It's how we're able to get the Deadpool 3 film that we're getting, since you can do a whole film about mutants and the multiverse without recasting anybody and violating said contract.
The X-Men were recast in the prequel movies and in the TV shows (Legion and Gifted), which were co-produced by Marvel. What you're saying is pure nonsense. LMAO acting contracts don't even work like that. You are lying through your teeth.
@@agentofchaos7456 Copy and paste this string of words into your search bar, and you will get a link to the article I've tried showing you 22 times now: r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/w9ki1f/update_contractual_obligations_to_fox_producers/?rdt=48886
Due to a contact that was put into place before Fox was bought out by Disney, the prequel actors cannot be recast before 2025 because of plans at the time to expand the franchise past movies like Dark Phoenix. I get that things can be hard to understand on the internet from time to time, but just ask for clarification if you're confused instead of whatever you're doing now. I have nothing to gain from "lying through my teeth", I'm just engaging in the conversation at hand.
The problem is not that, problem is that they focused on lame characters instead of comics icons like Nova, Ghost Rider, F4 etc. and instead gave us Echo, Agatha, Ms Marvel etc.
I kinda hint at that in here, but yeah...they're trying to make c-list heroes a-listers and it's not working. It also doesn't help when they aren't setting up those characters to succeed because they're not given enough development.
Ms Marvel literally has better comics than Nova or Ghost Rider wtf you talking about
@@nalday2534 better for what auditory? Teen girls?
@@Omnigreen ahhh yes the good old demographic bs. As if the entire point of art isn't to shed light on experiences that are different from yours
Iron man , captain america, guardians of the galaxy, thor werent a listers and the mcu made them famous.
Do not recast yet. Learn from pirates. The upcoming mcu projects are what if season 2, echo, deadpool, armour wars, blade, Captain america brave new world, spiderman freshman year, xmen 1997, and thunderbolts. Thats plenty of projects that don't need kang even mentioned to wait until after this trial. Slow down productions and oush kang dynasty back as needed. Its odd how many white mcu fans are so quick to recast black actors like Majors and Boseman. Slow down production and wait. After the trial recast or rehire
I’ve never blamed Kevin Feige for the downfall of the MCU. Just look at what’s been going on with their Star Wars property, that’s whole nother dumpster fire that’s been raging on for a while over there.
It’s really on Disneys in its entirety and their executive’s greed. They over saturated the market with all their Marvel shows and movies right after Endgame. It would’ve been smarter if they took a break, and let the audience to take a breather after an 11 years worth of journey. Then come back after at least a whole year for the new beginning. With a much more fleshed out phases than the mess that we currently have.
One big thing I would’ve changed pre ‘Endgame’ is switch the Captain Marvel movie for the Black Widow. I seriously don’t know what they were thinking to make a Cap Marvel before a Black Widow movie. Especially when she dies in Endgame -_-
Lol both brands are dead.
Marvel simply had more to play with and now it's done it's dash
Star wars is dead.
Marvel has its problems but there is no downfall just cause some of its projects havent worked. You do know when marvel started out it didnt have everything planned out.
I mean cause of the pandemic audiences had gotten a decent break from the franchise.
Blame ike perlmutter for why we didnt get a black widow movie earlier.
@mutalemwananshiku4098 Lol no downfall???
Except the last 2 phases.
Phase 4 was dogshit and phase 5 has been meh.
The only movie to make money in the last 4 years has been Guardians 3 and there's nothing else now.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 no way home, multiverse of madness, love and thunder, wakanda forever, black widow and shang-chi made money.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Dude, old Marvel's not dog shit
Ironically, given what this video is about, my disinterest in the current MCU is the _lack_ of a plan in these movies and shows. To me, Marvel Studios doesn't seem to have a clear idea of what the big plan actually is. They're just throwing ideas at the wall and introducing new characters so that they can all come together for ... something later on. The Infinity saga was really interesting because everything connected so well and it all came together when Thanos and the Infinity Stones had to be dealt with. Endgame isn't even one of my favourite movies (it pales in comparison to Infinity War), but it was without a doubt a grand finale to the series.
Right now, we have Kang (or multiple Kangs?) and vague multiverse stuff to wonder about, with the possibility of that not even happening (due to real life circumstances) and having, uh ... Doctor Doom appear? _Maybe?_ Along with a bunch of new young Avengers in the C-Lister range of relevancy? Not entirely sure what's happening at the moment. Perhaps it's my own fault for not being interested enough to keep up with everything going on in the MCU--skipping shows like She Hulk--to know what exactly the plan is.
Movies such as Ant-Man and Dr. Strange originally worked because the MCU was on a pedestal back then. There was real hype during that time and people were interested in this universe. Super Hero fatigue wasn't fully setting in yet. These days, those movies don't really do much for viewers without all of the hype for a bigger and grander event. Without heavy hitters like Iron Man, Captain America, etc, these "smaller" movies simply don't interest people as much. And this is coming from someone who _likes_ the characters and live action portrayals of Ant-Man and Dr. Strange.
Never wanted to say this aloud but here's a list on how Marvel can be fixed and hopefully it happens:
1. They have to cut ties with Disney, I know, sounds crazy but it's true. Ever since Endgame, Disney had someway pressure/forced Marvel into making god-awfull content (except some shows/movies), never allowing them to take any risks on creating good-storytelling anymore, rewriting good characters into unlikable/hateful jerks for no reason and hiring bad writers who clearly don't know the characters very well. They have to end they're distribution deal with them for good and go to another company that can be more trustful then Disney (my vote's on Paramount, possibly Sony or Universal). In my opinion, I never liked the idea of Disney owning Marvel. 'Cause their "family-friendly" brand company and I don't think they're fitfull for this type of franchise, but after seen the disaster that phase 4, this clearly proves it.
2. They have to cancel the MCU. It's gotten so messy that it they should've just let the franchise end in Endgame but choose to continue without thinking this through. But since the damaged is done, they're gonna have to cut down the entire content they've put and have to cancel all of this upcoming movies and shows. They have good potencial but they have to let them go and move on to do something interesting
3. Reboot the franchise. If they want to continue making movies and shows, they have to reboot the entire marvel universe with an already established universe (like James Gunn's DCU but on their own way) while adding other characters who never appear in the previous universe (like the X-Men, FF, Runaways, Defenders, Young Avengers, Inhumans, Power Pack, etc). But at the same time, think about the timeline to line it up perfectly, hired better writers that actually knows the comics, good directors with creative vision, let them have some creative control (not too much control) and try to tackle different genres for storytelling.
4. Create standalone/team-up shows (like the CW's DC shows) or Elseworld anthology shows as a way to tell the stories in a proper way while create movies for a bigger event in the franchise's storyline.
5. Fire Feige. Even due he has done great job on creating Phase 1-3, but that shit was in the PAST. He has now become someone who doesn't what he's doing and being manipulated/pressured that I think He can't no longer make something good, so I think is best to find someone else to replace him.
Disney owns Marvel.
its easier, and better for ones development as a mature human being experiencing growth, to just move on and reduce ones interest in it.
Marvel/Disney needs a soft reboot. From the recent formulaic movies, over-saturation with Disney Plus, Jonathan Majors-Kane situation and the influx new unpopular female characters I don’t see them fixing this without a reboot. Use Deadpool then the X-Men for a soft reboot, keep what works drop what doesn’t and tell good stand alone stories again.
And please God please start casting younger actors. There should be no reason why we’re hearing rumors of 50 year old Pedro Pascal playing Reed Richards.
I partially agree with you but Kevin Feige isn't necessarily the problem.
600 new shows and movies and... CONTENT... were greenlit because 80% of his power over the damn franchise was taken away by Bob Chapek. Nothing he could do.
Feige only announced Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars because it would've been leaked online the day before. Nothing he could do.
Taika Waititi almost had full creative control of Love and Respect and look where that went. Nothing Feige could do.
Marvel needs to make good movies... but I don't think letting everyone just play around without no plan is the solution. Marvel needs Kevin... We all do...
I still remember seeing Avengers 1 in the theatre, it was my first Hollywood movie experience. I was just 10 years old at the time and watched only Iron Man, and it holds a special place in my heart. I don't know why I would ever watch another Avengers anymore, none of the current characters are as interesting/inspiring.
I think the mcu is not dead or dying I truly just think the mcu has the same problem anything that runs this long would have which is a few less successful books in a series of books the comics had the same issue and plus having to change almost all their plans because of the pandemic and bad new leadership and plus every time anyone online make negative news about the mcu they have to change their plans again in the background which is why nothing feels connected we are way to harsh on some of these projects I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a good show it’s just isn’t great but people hate it for some reason I think moon knight was good not great but people hate it, Hawkeye was good not great but people hate it I’ve seen the marvels it’s a ok movie not bad not horrible the only things I can sincerely say was actually bad was “Secret Invasion” and “She Hulk”marvel is no where as bad as dc which has had almost 83% of its movies to be very bad though I think gunn will change that
Him taking a back seat is the reason things are trash, to much things being worked on so he is stretched thin and not being able to over see the stuff
The MCU is not dead. It's crazy how spoiled we got. Kevin Feige gave us something we never thought could happen and still have not been successfully duplicated and we are bitching and criticizing. In which we have the right to as consumers of said product. Not directed at you at all @FilmSpeak, just in general. Give them time to slip and fall and to rise to provide us with stellar content. Hoping they hear the fans and change course back to the good ole days. Great vid.
Honestly, this is exactly my reaction. Am I denying there are issues? No. But the jump ship mentality just because our expectations (based on potentially a once in a lifetime event) are now so high, anything less than that is automatically rubbish is really not reasonable or mature.
Meh I'm tired of this copium move on to better shitt and as long as disney keep being esg puppets it won't change they won't value entertainment lik dr strange movie was barely about him
@@sarov7658 what are u talkimg about?
The good ole days werent perfect. There were not great films back then.
@@callumpenman6957 i appreciate the nuances cause nowadays fandom is so binary where something is either amazing or its trash.
Good points. But I also argue that Kevin has done nothing with most of the films and shows to forward any of his plan and no one is connected enough to add to the plan effectively which has led to major failures throughout the phases after Endgame. One issue is despite knowing that we're supposed to go towards Kang and Secret Wars via the multiverse is that the multiverse has been subverted as an expectation in Far From Home, and resolved across several different properties as a threat. How are we supposed to take Kang seriously when Ant-Man has already defeated a variant of him that was exiled, and every other hero has already fixed their own multiverse problems on their solo adventures? No one has really suffered any meaningful loss or anything besides Loki. Loki has been the only one to sacrifice anything to the cause which, after everything, feels like things are somehow only just beginning.
That's another problem: nothing has forwarded anything towards a bigger picture. Nearly everything is self contained to a fault. Wanda's character in Dr. Strange 2 was a betrayal to who she ended WandaVision as, resulting in her death of character as well as her literal death, which would be monumentally stupid to undo at this point because anything, even a variant would pretty much just hand wave her existence like Vision 2.0! I wonder if he'll ever show up in anything ever again and if he'll just end up like his wife: turned villain in this ill constructed plot that defeats and betrays his entire purpose and character.
I mean, yeah, there is something to be said about them trying to fit things to the plan they've laid out, and they definitely should have kept everything under wraps until things were ready. However, I find it incredibly difficult to say than any plan has been acted on until Loki really. Everything else just feels like filler in a multiverse that should be expanding, but isn’t. We do definitely need more solo stories to focus on their own stakes and problems, but we also need the cratives to effectively communicate to each other whatever plans they do have so that the actions and characters are consistent within the world of the MCU, so that things can actually push forward, puzzle pieces fit together and then we can all get hyped for the next event.
I know there are good points in this video, but I think whatever plan they did have fell apart years ago, so much so that I don't really see how it can be said that they're trying to stick to something. I don't see a plan. I see a release schedule, and then I see a discombobulated mess next to that schedule.
All I know is that communication and collaboration is not a thing happening with whatever powers that are responsible, and they definitely need to fix that.
“Every movie stood out.”
A lot of revisionist history here.
Yup, when you play Iron Man, next to Captain America, next to Guardians of the Galaxy, next to Dr Strange, next to Black Panther, it’s really easy to confuse which is which.
@@alexman378Right… because that’s what he’s referring to even though he’s clearly talking about the style of the films.
Your explanation is exactly the same as it is now.
@@YourBlackLocal Uhhh, yeah, that’s also what I’m saying. Watch all four of those, even one scene from each, and go ahead and tell me they’re all within the same style.
@@alexman378 Except you’ve just ignored Age of Ultron, The Avengers, Antman, and the Thor movies.
All shot in the same generic style.
@@YourBlackLocalKenneth Brannagh's directing shows in the first Thor movie - it's the second one that looks bland. Both Avengers movies are recognizable Wheedon's work. And Ant Man could have been great, but that's when the MCU started showing that Feige was going to have the last word. Still, it does look unique, purely because it is about Ant Man.
10:30 that’s because Bob Chapek wanted Quality over Quantity. Now there’s only 1 MCU movie next year because Bob Iger put it that way
This isn't why the MCU is sh!t though. It's sh!t because of the agendas. It's actually good to have a vision and I'm sure there was room for change built into their vision, but they're not building good movies/shows - they're pushing agendas.
What agendas ?
tony stark himself says he's not doing things for the sake of the liberal agenda, so idk what you're on about cuh
its a bit odd how this guy makes a video called "the best of the mcu" for loki only to make a video called "mcu is dead" just 3 weeks later
In many ways, Marvel's success defeated them. They got so used to winning that they forgot how to recover from a loss.
i really dont care what u say i still love marvel and dc since i own there 2000s-2010s of marvel and dc movies blu-rays
The Golden age of the MCU will be remembered
The "golden age" was perfect u know.
“Johnathan Majors is a great actor. But he’s replaceable because the character comes first.”
Funny. I wish more people felt that way about Chadwick Boseman and Black Panther.
that is ironic but he did die.
@@maelguiraud3568 Yeah. But you know who else died recently? The man who played General Thunderbolt Ross. And when he passed on he was quickly recasted.
@@JcgLoungewho's that
@@AugustRx William Hurt. The actor for General Ross. He passed away but nobody said that Disney shouldn't recast him. And Disney wasted no time, as they got Harrison Ford to take the role. So Griffin is kinda right. The character comes first. But Disney and Marvel Studios didn't think about that for T'Challa/Black Panther. So why is it that General Ross is different? And will they have the guts to replace Majors with a new actor for Kang?
@@JcgLounge No I meant who tf is General Ross? I thought he's a sokovia guy in the hulk comics not an mcu NPC
Imo i think Fiegie should ignore most of this video. Problems with the mcu is oversaturation or too much too fast. And Fiegie being promoted from marvel studios thereby doing what its advised in this video and relying on others like creatives to make up for areas Fiegie couldn't realistically keep doing himself. Wlonso out her amazon film before marvel studios. The increase of projects so quickly is not giving enough time for quality vfx qnd writing etc. Fiegie knows this and is slowing down more and more every few months. Fiegie needs to do the opposite of this vid and take MORE CONTROL of mcu projects. Wait for mcu x men until AFTER the multiverse saga. Just use fox men nostalgia for now as a kind of oast HOORAH. Fiegie needs to be more hands on and finely tune every mcu project and bring vfx as much qs possible in house instead of outsourced which most is right now amd quality can be more finely tuned if in-house look at lucasfilm for example of in house vfx being great. Less reliance on takent and creatives. More strictness in who is hired. More figie control not less because phase four was the least fiegie control, relying on directors and writers and look howbit turned out.
Lol the problem is nobody cares anymore.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 I disagree. Hype for Deadpool 3 seems very high so people do care but how much?
Good video. Also, as the old saying goes, sometimes it's easier to see things clearer looking from the outside in than it is from looking from the inside out.
9:29 Fiegie did EXACTLY that. Not every phase four and 5 project has been part of a "plan". Very few, most haven't. The multiverse saga has allowed for the most creativity since phase one.
If by “creativity” you mean “throwing all the random, nonsensical shit at the wall hoping something sticks, yet nothing (other than Spider-Man which is Sony not Disney) does,” than sure.
@@UnkownSoldier100 No. I define "creativity" in this conversation as freedom for directors and writers to make a film they want to make without worrying about the rest of the mcu. Examples:
Black widow- full creative control to Scarlett Johansen who was executive producer
Eternals-Chloe Zhao's full creative control
Love and Thunder- full creative control to Taikia Waititi
Loki Season 1 +2-Tom Hiddelston full creative control as executive producer like Scar Jo
Wakanda Forever-Full creative control to Coogler
Werewolf by night- fulll creative control to director and composer Micheal Giaachino
Guardians Christmas special and vol 3- Gunn given full creative control
imagine being kevin feige and having to read an ad read in your mail lmao
i really dont care what u say i still love marvel and dc since i own there 2000s-2010s of marvel and dc movies blu-rays
All the fault goes to Disney, Kevin did a good job with the phases 1-3.
I disagree that doom should be in fantastic four. Introduce him right, not just in the first fantastic four film like every other fantastic four film where he is defeated from the start. Thanos wasn't defeated directly in the Avengers. Fans are upset kang has been defeated so often
It's crazy that Kevin Feige went from being one of the most trustable producers in the Hollywood by the fans to a massive hack
That’s because he was always a massive hack. Ike Perlmutter, Jon Favereau, James Gunn, Joss Whedon, and The Russo Brothers are the true masterminds behind The MCU’s success, not Kevin Fraud.
Just hear this out
When the trailer was gonna come for Avengers 4 which was endgame we weren't sure about the name at all until the trailer
And now we know the titles of movies coming after 3 and 4 yrs
Yep EXACTLY and how much fun was the time of speculation and uncertainty! It added to the anticipation.
The Marvels was decent and it wasn’t made specifically for me. I didn’t play with Barbies when I was a kid because they were not tailored to me but I never hated that my sisters had a shit ton of them
Marvel is ruining cinema.
Feige shouldn't think of tossing Kang away because of low box office of Quantumania. Kang wasn't the main reason that movie sucked
The main reason is Jeff Loveness.
I honestly dont think recasting kang will change anything in the story aspect, the character(s) is set in stone whether majors plays him or not.
Remember when Thor the dark world was considered a less than great film? Now, compared to the Marvels, it’s a masterpiece
Thor the dark world is still boring. The marvels is better.
*Bob Iger & Bob Chapek
Fiege had the chance to leave after Endgame. He didn’t and now he gets the coffee for Disney
He had a contract with Iger's predecessor
Kevin Fraud didn’t create The MCU, Ike Perlmutter, Jon Favereau, James Gunn, Joss Whedon, and The Russo Brothers created The MCU.
Sure act like the Infinity Saga are all perfect movies, as if Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark World, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and the first Captain Marvel don't exist.
Its not often when you run into a video essay thats just wrong, but here we are. Its not his fault, its disneys
This "letter" is aimed at the wrong person, Bob Iger and Bob Chapek took this franchise in the wrong direction and drove it to the grave. I very much agree things need fixing, and I have faith Marvel will be revived somehow, someway, but the CEO's are to blame, Kevin Feige is the reason any of this has been remotely good in the first place.
Kevin Fraud didn’t oversee the first three phases of The MCU, Ike Perlmutter oversaw the first three phases of The MCU.
Isn't this the exact opposite of the usual marvel phase 4 critique, that it's directionless and has no plan?
Oh look another mcu is dead vid
Yup, and the box office backs it up
@@alexman378 one movie not doing well doesnt mean the franchise is dead. Especially with deadpool 3 coming out in 2024.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 One? Buddy their entire slate floundered last year. Only Guardians 3 did decently, but even that wasn’t exactly a smash hit.
@@alexman378 MoM, made 955 million dollars, WF made 845 million dollars, love and thunder made 760 milliom thats not floundering. Guardians vol 3 made 845 million thats a smash hit.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 Not a single one of those was a 2023 release, and L&T barely broke even. $845M on a $250M budget + marketing budget is nowhere near a smash hit, it’s barely making some profit.