Big fan bro I think Milwaukee will set it right I have a lot of Milwaukee Tools the fuel series and I love them Milwaukee has a great customer service don't think you have a problem after you take it in
@@rycwe Yes. The spring in the M18 Surge that holds the ball in place can be used to replace the spring in the Gen3. I have a longer comment in this comment section.
great vid...I just purchased this impact gun..didn't use it enough to see a problem...and thanks for the public announcement...i'.ll be looking forward for updates.
I had Dewalt impacts for several years. They had a collet problem so I recently switched to Makita. Will see if Milwaukee makes a design change before trying them. Makita impacts do not have a collet problem and I am happy with them.
I’ve had bits jam in mine. My previous Makita an dewalt and Bosch ones have all done it too. Seems the bits move slightly in chuck. I wriggle with pliers no problem. It’s the only issue I’ve ever had had two Makita’s since 2006 both done a lot of work.
What's great about watching VCG's tool videos is that Vince is down to earth with us that actually use our tools for work. With this 2853 problem showing up is good knowledge. The tool manual does say for drilling and installing fasteners. But why would we need to use an impact for driving a self driving spade bit? I agree with you Vince that the flaw in this driver is there and should never happen, but spade bits testing has probably like you said created enough heat in the collect to compromise the spring tension and now the failure. A better quality/tension spring will solve this issue. You hit that on the head. thx for your videos too.
I had the exact same problem after using my gen 3 after using a 1” spade bit drilling out wood 1 week after I bought it. Glad to know I’m not the only one having the same problem. Thank god for that 5 year warranty
This process also worked to remove my snapped PZ2 bit 👍 i could lever from where the ball bearing sits to get it out when nothing else worked! Thanks allot!
I found this vid after searching for a "similar" problem. Just bought the M12 1/4" fuel driver, got it to my door today, and the retention ball was/is missing altogether. Called Milwaukee service and they are sending me a new ball so I can put it in. Wasn't interested in taking it back to Home Depot or waiting a couple weeks to send it in to Milwaukee. Also, closest repair center to me is an hour and a half away. Not too upset about it, it's just inconvenient until the new ball gets here. Guess my particular driver was made on a Monday or Friday lol
VCG Construction. Well I’m a locksmith. I do mainly cars but also house and buildings. I use it mainly for auto mechanic type work. I use it for drilling in places my hammer drill won’t reach and need to use an extension. I have to drill in some pretty strong metal sometimes. I honestly doubt your too hard on it other then during Tool Test Raw. Either way it made to be used in the toughest situation that the tool is designed for. The collet shouldn’t be going bad on you for normal tradesmen work. I also only had mine for a month so I guess time will tell. Either way it doesn’t catch on fire so that’s a plus.
That's my friend had to take his apart cuz he broke his bit inside there and the service center 40 bucks and 3 weeks to work on it he didn't like 2 hours or less not knowing anything about the toilet I'm glad that you showed me so if I have issues and I have to take care of it
Yes he was able to get the piece out put it back together a Gen 2 it seems like the same problems could happen to him later he is the Milwaukee driver bit the short ones and it snapped on them and bend the tip of the gun but I'm taking out got it back in the right place but now I know how to do it if I have to do it and I appreciate that
I’m going to say it’s the retention spring holding the bearing in place. I’ve never had this problem with my gen 2, however I only use it for maybe 3/4 size spades max. I use my drill for anything bigger. I just upgraded from a gen 1 drill to the gen 3. That thing is ridiculously small compared to the older model, and unnecessarily powerful lol. Best of Luck to ya Vince!
New to the channel here. Not sure if you fixed this issue yet. The problem lies with the secondary retention spring. If you set the collet on it should sit level and not press against the secondary spring. If it does press against that secondary spring you have to “reshape” that spring so the collet sits flush and holds that ball in place. This should fix the bit retention issue
Nice video. I purchased the gen 3 impact the first day it arrived in Canada. Since then I have been using the impact 5days a week for work. Use various sizes, spade bits, titanium drill bits, auger bits and concrete bits. I use this tool for multiple application where a drill driver or even rotary hammer would be more ideal but never had this or any issue with the gun. But then again, I do apply white lithium lub/ oil inside the chuck on a weekly bases. Maybe that helps?
Hey Vince try molybdenum disulfide! It is a thin hight temp grease that fills the micro pores in the metal. Should be the best lube for the ball bearing. Also you might try some thicker bearing grease as a backup
You know your a pro when you can fix your own tools. Milwaukee has a great warranty department but if you are capable enough, it can be done. This looks easier than jetting and rebuilding a carburetor so I'm fairly certain I could do this. Nice job on the close ups Nick!
@@paulhouchen9010 its definitely a test of patience. If your good at disassembly, assembly becomes easier than trial and error. My Dad taught me to take notes, use bags (or small bins) and label everything. We use to put his racecars together, mapped out the entire process and were able to fix things like pros! It always pays to take your time, have good hand tools and steady fingers too!
@@paulhouchen9010 the blade lock on the fuel Sawzall is easy it's the blade lock on the fuel hackzall that is slightly more difficult because of the fact that it does not have the removable shoe like the fuel Sawzall does so with the hex off you have to take the clamshell case off of the tool and of course when you do that you know everything can just flop around so it makes it a little bit more of a pain then just being able to slip the shoe off and out of your way but at least on the fuel hackzall even though the shoe is not removable at least it can pivot unlike the shoe that they put on the non-fuel version that is stationary
I've got a handful of bits that won't even lock into my MIlwaukee chuck because the hex section at the end is too long for the ball bearings to get secure in the groove. They come from a mix of manufacturers, and it doesn't seem to be consistent across all of a certain brand's bits.
Ever have the quick collet fail to release a bit? I had to exchange a surge gun and a shockwave bit set at home depot as a bit got stuck in the gun and absolutely would not come apart, that was within a month of purchase, replacement has been going strong for 6 months now in all conditions!!
I have a similer problem with the Dewalt collet at work. Somtimes its ok but sometimes it does not want to accept a bit. Thats why i think it is better to a have simpler collet like the one on the new Metabo SSD 18 LTX 200 BL, there is just less to go wrong.
Definitely a concern for me too, I just got the combo recently and although I haven’t found the problem yet it’s already bothering in my mind. If I were to fix it I would have disassembled the whole thing too and if possible put the parts in a hot bath in a degreaser in an ultrasound machine, sometimes I use the method when I fix guns, and then later use the high temp grease either yours or the Mobile that somebody suggested above; there is also the chance that a part it’s already dented and it catching the moving action at some point
Great vid, & love that you like to see "how things tick"....as most ppl in VCG Fam😉. Wondering if a heavier spring should be used, as well as, 2-3 bearings? Might solve the issue.....Hmm...... Of course wanna see ya test it in a TTR, and I like that you are able to repair the tools yourself if decide to... That's pretty handy😊
@@VCGConstruction I always liked teardowns so I'm voting yes more teardowns. Remember your teardown video of your Milwaukee Sawzall it was a good video. I like that video and I think a lot of others did too. Maybe you could do a teardown of one of the 887 Cloud makers so we could see exactly what it is inside of it that is burning up
Yes I think 3 bearings would also help with the wobble most impact drivers seem to have. And what kinda sucks about the wobble is when you use a longer say 12 in extension you'll get bad wobble and for long screws, well you know it's a pain to try and drive them with your drill wobbling all over the place. 😂🤷♂
Vince, its called an impact "driver" it's not made to be pulling paddle bits out of wood. its sort of the same set up as a ratchet and sometimes the socket gets stuck on the bolt and comes free of the ratchet. it's one small ball bearing for Christ sake and you expect the bit too stay in place when you pull on it like that. it's used for driving in screws and bolts and some light drilling, if you want to use a paddle bit then use the correct tool, its called a drill.
Greg, this tool is the best of the best in impact drivers! With that said , other offerings can handle the task of retaining the paddle bit so should the Milwaukee!!
These are made for paddle bits and many other attachments these days,. that is part of the reason most bits have the ability to be used in the quick connect. The older paddle bits did not have this functionality and could only be used in drills. At least when drilling with impact drivers you don't have to worry about it catching and snatching your wrist.
ssclassof2000 Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Go ahead, use a paddle bit and drill 6” into wood with your driver and try to pull the bit back out of the hole. How much force do you think that quick connect collet can take? If you use your tool this way, you will be sending it to the service center or replacing it, just don’t blame the tool, blame the user
Bill Simpson in all fairness they took apart the first 887 to see what was smoking and to see if it could be repaired. As much as I give them a hard time about the love of RedChina, they did pull apart DeWinnings worst tool yet.
I would use the grease you used Vince just because that’s what I have at home and it’s high heat so in theory you would think it would work better. But really I think if that didn’t work than it’s something wrong with the collet like you said I don’t think a different grease would make a difference. Just my opinion thanks for the great video you the man Vince 👍👊🏻
@@VCGConstruction i will be happy to see that. The red high temperature grese it's for really high temperature that you don't reach in impact driver. You reach them like driving shaft in car and brake caliper. Also thinking that milwaukee for sure can put more stiffer spring
Hmm... I feel like tacky grease would make the ball bearing stick up still causing the problem so I would recommend a high temp grease that’s thick but not tacky. But that’s not a solution. It’s just dealing with the symptoms. I assume it’s the spring that, when pushed back, pushes the the ball bearing down engaging the retention. If so then you need 2 things need to happen: 1. Stronger spring so that it’s less likely to compress when “pulling” on the bit during operation. 2. Multiple ball bearings so that’s multiple sides pushing against the bit. I think the quickest solution with the current design is a thicker stronger spring. It’ll make the quick insert harder but it’s a better compromise. Just my opinion, though.
How to fix the problem (at least how I did it). The m18 surge impact driver uses the same collet as the Gen 3 (all hail mass production) but whit one key difference. The spring in the surge collet that holds the ball in place is different the the one in the Gen 3. I whent to a online retailer for spare parts, got a Surge ball spring (made up term) and replaced the the ball spring in my Gen 3 whit it. No problem ever since I did that (its been 1.5 months). The engineers at milwaukee most definetly noticed the problem and tried to fix it in a way that whould not mess up the entire production line for the release of the Surge. Now this fix only addresses the issue of the collet getting stuck in the open position and not the collet opening up itself when trying to pull out a wood drill bit from a deep hole. I have stoped experiencing this after I stoped pulling on the drill bit whit the might of King Arthur. Put the machine in reverse and let it dig itself out. Then put it back in forward and dig out the wood chips. Normal wood drill bits like the Bosch daredevil or Erwin speedbore does not work well if you drill it deep to the point the shaft of the bit enters the wood. This beacus the bit will stop ejecting the wood chips, the drill bit will get glogd up and get stuck. If you do not want to do it the slower way I described then maybe try an auger bit instead.
If it is a genuine design defect. I agree. They have made great advancements in their tools of late. Hopefully they will buck up and help the guys in the field get their tools as they should be.
I have the gen 3...same thing happened to mine. I thought i was the one who broke it by some how putting the bit in wrong but glad to see it's a Milwaukee defect.
Vince try taking Retention spring pulling it to make it longer not too much but a little bit that you put more force on the ball which should make you the bit What looks like is happening is the impacts are making the ball bearing inside jump and when that happens Detaches from the bit I say just take the spring and make it a bit longer pulled apart but your hands and then reassemble I think they’ll fix it If the impacts are truly the problem try putting it on a slower speed and pulling it and backing it out if Bit stays in it’s the impact that are making it pop off like I said make the spring stronger by lengthening it and he should have no problems
I plan to buy a M18 Impact Driver sooner or later. Do you have an idea of the potential release date of the gen4 FUEL tools (which could address this problem) ? What time passes between two FUEL gens ? Thanks.
Thnaks for the video. Some of my gear got stolen from my truck and I just bought the Milwaukee hammer drill and impact driver kit Gen 3 and the very first time I go to use the impact driver the volley doesn’t work at all. Won’t hold any bit at all and won’t engage. Good times. Under warranty but disappointed.
Great, honest video! We need more reviewers like this. Is this still an issue as of January 2021? Or have MW. fixed this? The collet issue is keeping me from investing in the Milwaukee platform and pushing me towards Makita instead. I am not a contractor, so will be mostly home projects and DIY anyway so might not need all this power and bells and whistles, however I'd like to buy something high quality - the best that my budget will allow. Would be good to know if they have fixed this problem or not yet.
The heat probably killed the temper in the spring of the ball. I'm sure they don't use the best steel for the spring. A thicker spring would probably be better as well. I'm having an issue where I can't get the bit out.
I realize im a little late to this vid so idk if anyone will see this recommendation but I recommend White Lithium Grease. Its not anywhere near as thick as red tacky and it continues to work well and last a long time under intense heat. fantastic grease for lubrication and oxidation prevention. i use it at work to grease roll-up door rails that stand only maybe 10 feet away at most from the flames of jet engines at full burn that are tested in the facilities that I construct so its safe to say that it will probably not burn off and will do its job for a good, long time. As a matter of fact I am major Milwaukee fan and I happen to have this same problem with my impact driver but I did not know how to take it apart until now, but now that I do, i am going to try using white lithium on mine. If VCG see's this comment and you guys respond to let me know you saw it then i will give an update on how the white lithium works out. BTW, I love the channel, I found it about a week ago and have been binge-ing your videos ever since!
So I've had this problem with another "High end" manufacturer's impact. So what i did and it worked flawlessly. I used the next size up stainless ball bearing. Its been several months and no issues.
Thank you Vince for this episode. Kudos to you!! I personally think the heat weakened the spring but what the heck do I know. Curious to see what the actual fix will be. If you have Milwaukee screwdriver 2401, check out the size of that retaining ball compared to the 2853.
Hey Vince great video, I love the channel and appreciate the hard work you guys put into it. I have always felt (and I’m sure I’m alone on this one) that impact drivers are not ment for drilling holes in wood where great forces are need to retrieve the bit, it puts a lot of pressure in a vary small area, unlike a conventional chuck that has a much better bite on the bit and the pressure is distributed beyond the detent in the shank. I also feel that using an impact driver of any brand as a drill for holes bigger than 1/2” shortens their life span dramatically, just my two cents.
I hear what you're saying but those Daredevil bits are impact ready! The Gen 3 has no problem drilling the holes, it's just the retrieval of the bit in thick wood. I know Milwaukee will come through with a solution!
I love the those bits! I picked up the the larger holiday promo set at the HD , should last me until next Christmas. In my comment I was referring to the the life span of the impact driver itself after reading it I’m not sure if that was clear, i’ve had problems with a few different brands losing their grip on Retrieval but it usually doesn’t start happening for a few years.I love talking tools.Happy New Year
It happened to me once. Hasn't since. We shall see! Thanx for the video. I was wondering what u was going to try when in past videos had issues removing spade bits
@@VCGConstruction this are decent. Been installing whole house systems. Duct work and everything. Even running gas line from where meter will be placed. Finished 1 job today, starting a new big job tomorrow. 6 bedroom house, 3 zones. Should be fun yet cold lol
Have you ever thought that different bits fit differently in every impact cuz I've had that issue with the gen5x brushless impact and those Bosch space bits too plus I've had issues with different brands of bits not wanting to lock in the collet as well with different impacts
@@VCGConstruction it's always the impact ready drill bits that make it do that cuz the tension of pulling the drill bit back out is at most pretty intense even for a drill chuck and if you wrote or called Bosch I'm almost guessing they'll tell you that the daredevil spade bits are made like that for grip in a chuck and very limited use in an impact if that's all you got.......again just trying to dissect an issue and throw out all possible variables
HunterGreen M18Fan I think you’re right. Bosch bits are the only ones I’ve had problems with being retained in the Milwaukee fuel impact. I bet if you measured the dimensions of the hex head the tolerance are different than the Milwaukee hex head bits.
@@LCCJ82 that's what I'm getting at those bits aren't advertised as impact ready if I'm not mistaken and I use the Milwaukee speedbore bits that fit in an impact and have zero issue with it being released without me releasing it manually.....but to be sure use a Bosch impact with the daredevil spade bits and see if they fall out trying g to pull the bit back out.....see if brands build there collets around there own proprietary bits.....might make for a cool video.....hint hint
Sekekama WoW you see there is no such thing as an average work day. Some days might require more dedicated time on a tool and quite frankly we pay good money for these products to work as they should whenever the task call for it without fail
I remember seeing a video of the emposium for Milwaukee someone asked if drilling with the impact is a good idea, he kind of said yeah but not to push it. Wouldn’t the drill be better for spade bits that are 1.5 inches over the impact?
10/27/2022 Just received in the mail my brand new Milwaukee fuel impact driver. First day on the job the collet did not hold the bit one time had to set the drill down And borrow my boss's Pretty pathetic.
I haven't had this problem but then again, I use my drill for drilling and my driver for driving. Seems like the examples VCG keeps using are using this gen 3 driver for drilling? Driving applications require very little retention. No excuse for it coming out but he's kind of reefing on it to try and back the bits out but the tool wasn't made to do this?
I own this driver and I bought the shockwave bits, are they supposed to have play when in the driver? The bits go in and out and rotate slightly side to side beans new. The driver is 1/4. Sorry I know I’m misspeaking a bit. Thanks new to tools trying to learn more.
I also think it's because of the quick insert. I think that such a serious company as Milwaukee will quickly solve this problem, because in the modern world the competition of manufacturers is very high, reputation is very expensive, and no one wants to get into a puddle. Anyway, thank you for your answer, and good luck in the new year!
Bosch bits in the Milwaukee tend to mess up the collet for some reason. All other bits in Milwaukee are fine. Other impact drivers using Bosch bits are fine. But, when you mix Bosch bits with Milwaukee, the Milwaukee collet gets messed up some how. Plus the collet design's single ball bearing doesn't help.
Quality looking great man Now that I got your attention... wear hearing protection in your testing videos man... be a good role model for your viewers and maintain your hearing
I have the same impact driver and mine sticks like that too. just tried the same steps but still has issues. resetting the collet is as easy as pulling out on the collet for me. but I don't think its a bearing issue. see if your collet has play side to side as if the collet gets out of round and gets wedged. Just my thought on it. guess I'll have to deal with it or order a new collet.
I’m a first year female plumbing apprentice doing high rise. I drill into concrete almost daily as I install cast iron for drainage. I have the m12 third generation impact. It’s super light, fast. The boys only use the m18 because it looks manlier. To be honest it has way too much torque for most things. It rarely needs to be your main drill. I refuse to wreck my wrist to look cooler - although I do have a m18 as well for cutting and drilling steel stud, like actual holes. I maintain my drill weekly. I blow out all the vents, wipe down the drill. If I’m doing concrete and my grease has become goop. I remove it. Apply my Milwaukee grease in the chuck, on the putter rings of the chuck that moves up and down, and apply a thick amount underneath it where the gear casing is. I apply a lot to all areas and work it. I turn my drill on all settings and run it for a minute each switching between the settings to get it worked in the gears. Than I apply wd40 specialist silicone - the water proof and anti dust collecting spray. I actually spray that on before even applying my grease after I’ve cleaned out all the old grease. If you don’t maintain your drills they honestly don’t work as fast. I use the compact 3 am battery on my drill and have a 6 amp for more frequent use like when I’m doing deck work. I notice a big difference in running power between cleanings I use a small square paint brush to apply my grease and clean with q - tips and remove the old grease by folding paper corners to flick out the old grease as I’m too afraid to take it apart. Works well. Takes a while. Blow out the chuck areas with air and wd40 and run it before applying the grease
Great video Vince. Way to get in there and figure out why the red china is having issues with its chuck. Glad you followed up on that problem. Is it that tool alone. if you pulled a new one out of the box, and thats the first thing you test. Will it do it?
My M18 Surge is making a high pitched whining noise sitting idle and it won't change modes or direction. I have to screw around with the battery to get it to actually work, but it goes back to doing the same thing eventually. My M18 Fuel did the same thing after three years and was stuck on mode 1 and wouldn't reverse. Nothing I did would fix it so I just sold it as parts on Ebay. My M18 Surge is only 4 months old, how to I fix it or kept it from becoming bricked?
Try installing the bearing ball in front of the secondary spring. Not in-between the coils. I tried it both ways...in between allows free pull-out. in front, locks the bit in like it's supposed to be.
Good video Vince! That's a disappointment that that collet fails so easily. I would agree with you that it is probably the most powerful impact on the market today. Too bad it's not as heavy duty as it should be. Milwaukee should offer to replace collets on impacts already sold. I wonder if this issue will result in them releasing gen 3.5 or 4 sometime this year
I have the same problem, checked it out, and I believe the collet is becoming magnetized and holding the ball up. If you turn the 1/4-5/16th bit over magnet side in. The ball drops. Thoughts?
@VCGConstruction hey Vince, was wondering if I could ask your opinion on this impact. I can purchase a new gen 2 onekey for $107 or a new gen 3 reg for $114. You know I’m a #teamgreen guy, rock the Multivolt 🔨🔨🔨 all day but figured I’d pick one of these bad boys up since the prices are so good. Thanks in advance, happy new year!
@VCG Construction does this happen with Gen2 impacts ?? I've had mine for almost 2 years now has only done that once with a big 1" 1/2 paddle bit just curious if its all Milwaukee impact drivers
I think it's happened because you drive the bit to much deep and the collet hitting the wood and kind of releasing the bit and screws the spring and everything the should be in such position. But thanks for the video and totally hope milwaukee really do something about this problem.
My M18 Fuel impact driver is making a high pitched whine (even when the trigger's not pulled), only stays in mode 1 and stops responding after 1 - 2 minutes. It only starts working until the battery is removed and reinserted, but goes though the same thing every time. Do you think it's a circuit board failure?
I have the same driver that i got to replace my old one from 2010 and its powerful, but i have hardly used it and have the same issue. Also the damn button to switch modes is in a terrible spot and i bump it all the time with my pinky
Hey Vin and VCG crew, what brand of 10 inch general purpose blade for miter/table saws should I get. The Diablo deal at Home Depot seems pretty enticing. Great video by the way!
It’s really a great brand. They all have their issues. Makita probably has the best impacts in my personal opinion. I went with Milwaukee mainly because I needed the power at the time. They are hard working tools no doubt.
it lets go of the paddle bits exactly like your gen 3 and my get two does that swell its something to do with there chucks. i bought a new one same thin happened
I just spray some regular Wd 40 in it and on all my impact drivers it keeps the collets working great. Heat lithium grease will probably work also the kind they use in electrical stuff and car electric connections. 👌
Hi, I living in Vietnam. I have a problem with milwaukee 2853. Can you help me? If I hold the gun pointed down it makes the noise. Point it up it goes away. If you shake the gun the whole drive system rattles. Sent it for seller, they tall “it is normal”. I hope to get feedback soon. Thank you very much.
Big fan bro
I think Milwaukee will set it right
I have a lot of Milwaukee Tools the fuel series and I love them Milwaukee has a great customer service don't think you have a problem after you take it in
I hoping a stiffer spring might solve this, what do you think?
VCG Construction same idea 👍
I just bought the same driver did anyone find a solution to this problem yet ?
@@VCGConstruction hey have you guys tried a stronger spring yet? To see if it fixes the problem
@@rycwe Yes. The spring in the M18 Surge that holds the ball in place can be used to replace the spring in the Gen3. I have a longer comment in this comment section.
great vid...I just purchased this impact gun..didn't use it enough to see a problem...and thanks for the public announcement...i'.ll be looking forward for updates.
I had Dewalt impacts for several years. They had a collet problem so I recently switched to Makita. Will see if Milwaukee makes a design change before trying them. Makita impacts do not have a collet problem and I am happy with them.
I’ve had bits jam in mine. My previous Makita an dewalt and Bosch ones have all done it too. Seems the bits move slightly in chuck. I wriggle with pliers no problem. It’s the only issue I’ve ever had had two Makita’s since 2006 both done a lot of work.
1/2 inch impact wrench with a 1/8 hex adapter and you have a great impact driver that is way more powerful than any other impact😂
And if the adapter wears out just buy a new one😂
What's great about watching VCG's tool videos is that Vince is down to earth with us that actually use our tools for work. With this 2853 problem showing up is good knowledge. The tool manual does say for drilling and installing fasteners. But why would we need to use an impact for driving a self driving spade bit? I agree with you Vince that the flaw in this driver is there and should never happen, but spade bits testing has probably like you said created enough heat in the collect to compromise the spring tension and now the failure.
A better quality/tension spring will solve this issue. You hit that on the head.
thx for your videos too.
I had the exact same problem after using my gen 3 after using a 1” spade bit drilling out wood 1 week after I bought it. Glad to know I’m not the only one having the same problem. Thank god for that 5 year warranty
Did you send in your tool in to Milwaukee?
If so, how long did it take Milwaukee to service it & send it back ?
This process also worked to remove my snapped PZ2 bit 👍 i could lever from where the ball bearing sits to get it out when nothing else worked! Thanks allot!
I found this vid after searching for a "similar" problem. Just bought the M12 1/4" fuel driver, got it to my door today, and the retention ball was/is missing altogether. Called Milwaukee service and they are sending me a new ball so I can put it in. Wasn't interested in taking it back to Home Depot or waiting a couple weeks to send it in to Milwaukee. Also, closest repair center to me is an hour and a half away. Not too upset about it, it's just inconvenient until the new ball gets here. Guess my particular driver was made on a Monday or Friday lol
Never buy tools or cars built on Monday or Friday! 🤣🤣👍🏻
Lol it’s funny how you say don’t do this because it might void your warranty but here’s how you take it apart... Great video
I’ve never that issue with my Milwaukee impacts Vince. I’m a big fan of Milwaukee tools! Love the show and reviews! God Bless.
Adam I’m a huge fan of Milwaukee tools that why I’d like to work through this issue and make the best even better!!
with problems come solutions, makes the next generation tht much better!!
Luckily my Gen 3 hasn’t had any issues yet. Glad to see you show the good, the bad and the ugly even when it comes to our favored Milwaukee.
Adam what type of use are you putting yours through? I’m trying to determine if we are just too tough on the tools!
VCG Construction. Well I’m a locksmith. I do mainly cars but also house and buildings. I use it mainly for auto mechanic type work. I use it for drilling in places my hammer drill won’t reach and need to use an extension. I have to drill in some pretty strong metal sometimes. I honestly doubt your too hard on it other then during Tool Test Raw. Either way it made to be used in the toughest situation that the tool is designed for. The collet shouldn’t be going bad on you for normal tradesmen work. I also only had mine for a month so I guess time will tell. Either way it doesn’t catch on fire so that’s a plus.
Sinking the spade bit and bumping the collet on the wood could make it release too...
Definitely a possibility!!
Yes if you bottom out, usually it's in the pull that releases the bit. So that shouldn't happen.
That's my friend had to take his apart cuz he broke his bit inside there and the service center 40 bucks and 3 weeks to work on it he didn't like 2 hours or less not knowing anything about the toilet I'm glad that you showed me so if I have issues and I have to take care of it
He was able to repair it himself Kona?
Yes he was able to get the piece out put it back together a Gen 2 it seems like the same problems could happen to him later he is the Milwaukee driver bit the short ones and it snapped on them and bend the tip of the gun but I'm taking out got it back in the right place but now I know how to do it if I have to do it and I appreciate that
I’m going to say it’s the retention spring holding the bearing in place. I’ve never had this problem with my gen 2, however I only use it for maybe 3/4 size spades max. I use my drill for anything bigger. I just upgraded from a gen 1 drill to the gen 3. That thing is ridiculously small compared to the older model, and unnecessarily powerful lol. Best of Luck to ya Vince!
Thanks Brendan!
New to the channel here. Not sure if you fixed this issue yet. The problem lies with the secondary retention spring. If you set the collet on it should sit level and not press against the secondary spring. If it does press against that secondary spring you have to “reshape” that spring so the collet sits flush and holds that ball in place. This should fix the bit retention issue
I have the gen 2 and it happens to me often. So I’m used to it. can’t wait to get a gen 3. All that power!!!
Good info,just picked up one,I will be on the look out for this problem,thanks!
Let us know if you have a issue!!
Have you had any issues?
Hey Vince. Yes the retaining ball is sticking out quite a bit more on the 2401 m12 screwdriver than the 2853. Makes no sense.
Nice video. I purchased the gen 3 impact the first day it arrived in Canada. Since then I have been using the impact 5days a week for work. Use various sizes, spade bits, titanium drill bits, auger bits and concrete bits. I use this tool for multiple application where a drill driver or even rotary hammer would be more ideal but never had this or any issue with the gun. But then again, I do apply white lithium lub/ oil inside the chuck on a weekly bases. Maybe that helps?
Well that’s good to hear, I’m pretty sure this will eventually be an painless repair!
Hey Vince try molybdenum disulfide! It is a thin hight temp grease that fills the micro pores in the metal. Should be the best lube for the ball bearing. Also you might try some thicker bearing grease as a backup
You know your a pro when you can fix your own tools. Milwaukee has a great warranty department but if you are capable enough, it can be done. This looks easier than jetting and rebuilding a carburetor so I'm fairly certain I could do this. Nice job on the close ups Nick!
Thanks fatbuddycat!!
The blade lock on the fuel sawzall is a pain in the ass to fix I've had to do it a few times
@@paulhouchen9010 its definitely a test of patience. If your good at disassembly, assembly becomes easier than trial and error. My Dad taught me to take notes, use bags (or small bins) and label everything. We use to put his racecars together, mapped out the entire process and were able to fix things like pros! It always pays to take your time, have good hand tools and steady fingers too!
@@paulhouchen9010 the blade lock on the fuel Sawzall is easy it's the blade lock on the fuel hackzall that is slightly more difficult because of the fact that it does not have the removable shoe like the fuel Sawzall does so with the hex off you have to take the clamshell case off of the tool and of course when you do that you know everything can just flop around so it makes it a little bit more of a pain then just being able to slip the shoe off and out of your way but at least on the fuel hackzall even though the shoe is not removable at least it can pivot unlike the shoe that they put on the non-fuel version that is stationary
@jason reynolds I agree 💯 I wish the hacksaw had the same blade release the recip Sawzall use the hacksaw more if it did
I've got a handful of bits that won't even lock into my MIlwaukee chuck because the hex section at the end is too long for the ball bearings to get secure in the groove. They come from a mix of manufacturers, and it doesn't seem to be consistent across all of a certain brand's bits.
@Andrew Charles this is with an old style collet. I don't have the auto lock chuck
Ever have the quick collet fail to release a bit? I had to exchange a surge gun and a shockwave bit set at home depot as a bit got stuck in the gun and absolutely would not come apart, that was within a month of purchase, replacement has been going strong for 6 months now in all conditions!!
I have a similer problem with the Dewalt collet at work. Somtimes its ok but sometimes it does not want to accept a bit. Thats why i think it is better to a have simpler collet like the one on the new Metabo SSD 18 LTX 200 BL, there is just less to go wrong.
I highly enjoyed this type of video. TTRs are fun, but I surely like the problem solving style of this type of video. Thank you.
Thanks for your support Angela!
Should have got yourself an 887 Vince no problem with the black and yellow!!!!
I would but its a fire hazard
@@VCGConstruction never had a problem I used 2 of the daily😂
VCG Construction lol 😂 it’s true cuz 👍🏻
Love these type of videos . all the content you do is awesome
Thank you Roger!
Definitely a concern for me too, I just got the combo recently and although I haven’t found the problem yet it’s already bothering in my mind. If I were to fix it I would have disassembled the whole thing too and if possible put the parts in a hot bath in a degreaser in an ultrasound machine, sometimes I use the method when I fix guns, and then later use the high temp grease either yours or the Mobile that somebody suggested above; there is also the chance that a part it’s already dented and it catching the moving action at some point
I have a feeling the anvil and spring may need to be replaced, or a stiffer spring, what do you think?
Good job Vince , gotta love the honest review after the #TTR torture test 👍
Thanks Wealro!!
Great vid, & love that you like to see "how things tick"....as most ppl in VCG Fam😉. Wondering if a heavier spring should be used, as well as, 2-3 bearings? Might solve the issue.....Hmm......
Of course wanna see ya test it in a TTR, and I like that you are able to repair the tools yourself if decide to... That's pretty handy😊
Aepek, you think we should do more tear downs?
@@VCGConstruction I always liked teardowns so I'm voting yes more teardowns. Remember your teardown video of your Milwaukee Sawzall it was a good video. I like that video and I think a lot of others did too. Maybe you could do a teardown of one of the 887 Cloud makers so we could see exactly what it is inside of it that is burning up
Yes I think 3 bearings would also help with the wobble most impact drivers seem to have. And what kinda sucks about the wobble is when you use a longer say 12 in extension you'll get bad wobble and for long screws, well you know it's a pain to try and drive them with your drill wobbling all over the place. 😂🤷♂
Vince, its called an impact "driver" it's not made to be pulling paddle bits out of wood. its sort of the same set up as a ratchet and sometimes the socket gets stuck on the bolt and comes free of the ratchet. it's one small ball bearing for Christ sake and you expect the bit too stay in place when you pull on it like that. it's used for driving in screws and bolts and some light drilling, if you want to use a paddle bit then use the correct tool, its called a drill.
Greg, this tool is the best of the best in impact drivers! With that said , other offerings can handle the task of retaining the paddle bit so should the Milwaukee!!
These are made for paddle bits and many other attachments these days,. that is part of the reason most bits have the ability to be used in the quick connect. The older paddle bits did not have this functionality and could only be used in drills. At least when drilling with impact drivers you don't have to worry about it catching and snatching your wrist.
ssclassof2000
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Go ahead, use a paddle bit and drill 6” into wood with your driver and try to pull the bit back out of the hole. How much force do you think that quick connect collet can take? If you use your tool this way, you will be sending it to the service center or replacing it, just don’t blame the tool, blame the user
But I do it w my dewalt all the time, and have for 6 years now
good for you, I stand by my comment, a drill is for drilling and a driver is for driving, use the tools correctly
i used the dare devils not sure if milwaukee makes flap bits
but ya that would be a good test maybe the tolerances on the milwaukee bits are higher
The collet whisperer. I was pulling for your fix to work!
A little bias much ?? Why did you attempt to fix the Milwaukee but you just let the dewalt grenade itself?
We did take apart the dewalt
Bill Simpson in all fairness they took apart the first 887 to see what was smoking and to see if it could be repaired. As much as I give them a hard time about the love of RedChina, they did pull apart DeWinnings worst tool yet.
@@eddiesmallhorn4021 , that wasn't my comment lol. It was from Bill Simpson. He replied to my initial comment to Vince
Paulie Walnuts sorry, when I hit reply it automatically put your name.....Sorry about that, not sure why it did that...
What a great video, outstanding, nice break; I was drowning in tool deals.
Larry, what was your favorite tool deal of the season?
@@VCGConstruction ALL OF THEM!!!!! The FedEx guy and the Home Depot staff can confirm that. LOL. VCG saved me thousands!
Awesome Larry!! Thanks for letting us know!!
I would use the grease you used Vince just because that’s what I have at home and it’s high heat so in theory you would think it would work better. But really I think if that didn’t work than it’s something wrong with the collet like you said I don’t think a different grease would make a difference. Just my opinion thanks for the great video you the man Vince 👍👊🏻
Thanks Chris, some of the #VeryCoolGang have talked about graphite, what do you think? Give it a shot?
@@VCGConstruction i will be happy to see that. The red high temperature grese it's for really high temperature that you don't reach in impact driver. You reach them like driving shaft in car and brake caliper. Also thinking that milwaukee for sure can put more stiffer spring
Hmm... I feel like tacky grease would make the ball bearing stick up still causing the problem so I would recommend a high temp grease that’s thick but not tacky. But that’s not a solution. It’s just dealing with the symptoms. I assume it’s the spring that, when pushed back, pushes the the ball bearing down engaging the retention. If so then you need 2 things need to happen: 1. Stronger spring so that it’s less likely to compress when “pulling” on the bit during operation. 2. Multiple ball bearings so that’s multiple sides pushing against the bit. I think the quickest solution with the current design is a thicker stronger spring. It’ll make the quick insert harder but it’s a better compromise. Just my opinion, though.
I’m wondering if a stiffer spring would solve this, what do you think, really?
VCG Construction yeah I think it would.
molybdenum disulfide fits the profile of a thinner non-tacky high temp grease
Jonathan Rusnak I think it would need to be thick like the one VCG Construction used in the video. Is there anything like that?
A small click isn't a compromise, if it makes it work correctly.
How to fix the problem (at least how I did it). The m18 surge impact driver uses the same collet as the Gen 3 (all hail mass production) but whit one key difference. The spring in the surge collet that holds the ball in place is different the the one in the Gen 3. I whent to a online retailer for spare parts, got a Surge ball spring (made up term) and replaced the the ball spring in my Gen 3 whit it. No problem ever since I did that (its been 1.5 months). The engineers at milwaukee most definetly noticed the problem and tried to fix it in a way that whould not mess up the entire production line for the release of the Surge.
Now this fix only addresses the issue of the collet getting stuck in the open position and not the collet opening up itself when trying to pull out a wood drill bit from a deep hole. I have stoped experiencing this after I stoped pulling on the drill bit whit the might of King Arthur. Put the machine in reverse and let it dig itself out. Then put it back in forward and dig out the wood chips. Normal wood drill bits like the Bosch daredevil or Erwin speedbore does not work well if you drill it deep to the point the shaft of the bit enters the wood. This beacus the bit will stop ejecting the wood chips, the drill bit will get glogd up and get stuck. If you do not want to do it the slower way I described then maybe try an auger bit instead.
Milwaukee should give out free replacement collets to those with the Gen-3 impact drivers.
Do you think they’d give out or repair with dual ball bearing collets?
@@VCGConstruction I have a feeling the repair is going to be a more powerful spring and that's it. Looking forward to being proven wrong.
VCG Construction good question 🤔
If it is a genuine design defect. I agree. They have made great advancements in their tools of late. Hopefully they will buck up and help the guys in the field get their tools as they should be.
I have the same problem Gen 1 impact.
I have the gen 3...same thing happened to mine. I thought i was the one who broke it by some how putting the bit in wrong but glad to see it's a Milwaukee defect.
Glad you got it work again 😊
Vince try taking Retention spring pulling it to make it longer not too much but a little bit that you put more force on the ball which should make you the bit
What looks like is happening is the impacts are making the ball bearing inside jump and when that happens Detaches from the bit
I say just take the spring and make it a bit longer pulled apart but your hands and then reassemble I think they’ll fix it
If the impacts are truly the problem try putting it on a slower speed and pulling it and backing it out if Bit stays in it’s the impact that are making it pop off like I said make the spring stronger by lengthening it and he should have no problems
I'm gonna try this!!
I hope it works
So do I!!
I plan to buy a M18 Impact Driver sooner or later. Do you have an idea of the potential release date of the gen4 FUEL tools (which could address this problem) ? What time passes between two FUEL gens ?
Thanks.
Thnaks for the video. Some of my gear got stolen from my truck and I just bought the Milwaukee hammer drill and impact driver kit Gen 3 and the very first time I go to use the impact driver the volley doesn’t work at all. Won’t hold any bit at all and won’t engage. Good times. Under warranty but disappointed.
Wow that stinks I’m sorry to hear that!! Call 1-800-sawdust
Great, honest video! We need more reviewers like this.
Is this still an issue as of January 2021? Or have MW. fixed this?
The collet issue is keeping me from investing in the Milwaukee platform and pushing me towards Makita instead. I am not a contractor, so will be mostly home projects and DIY anyway so might not need all this power and bells and whistles, however I'd like to buy something high quality - the best that my budget will allow. Would be good to know if they have fixed this problem or not yet.
The heat probably killed the temper in the spring of the ball. I'm sure they don't use the best steel for the spring. A thicker spring would probably be better as well.
I'm having an issue where I can't get the bit out.
I realize im a little late to this vid so idk if anyone will see this recommendation but I recommend White Lithium Grease. Its not anywhere near as thick as red tacky and it continues to work well and last a long time under intense heat. fantastic grease for lubrication and oxidation prevention. i use it at work to grease roll-up door rails that stand only maybe 10 feet away at most from the flames of jet engines at full burn that are tested in the facilities that I construct so its safe to say that it will probably not burn off and will do its job for a good, long time. As a matter of fact I am major Milwaukee fan and I happen to have this same problem with my impact driver but I did not know how to take it apart until now, but now that I do, i am going to try using white lithium on mine. If VCG see's this comment and you guys respond to let me know you saw it then i will give an update on how the white lithium works out. BTW, I love the channel, I found it about a week ago and have been binge-ing your videos ever since!
hope they come up with a solution, mine has been bad since day 1.
Sorry to hear that, what did you decide to do?
Guess he sold his phone to buy another one
So I've had this problem with another "High end" manufacturer's impact. So what i did and it worked flawlessly. I used the next size up stainless ball bearing. Its been several months and no issues.
what is the size of the bearing you bought?
@@hasselhooph the standard size that goes in was 3.5mm. So I replaced it with a 4mm stainless ball bearing.
Biglee where did you pick up the bearing?
@@VCGConstruction I lucked out and found it at my local ACE Hardware. But you can order them on EBay and Amazon.
Nice thanks BigLee
Thank you Vince for this episode. Kudos to you!! I personally think the heat weakened the spring but what the heck do I know. Curious to see what the actual fix will be. If you have Milwaukee screwdriver 2401, check out the size of that retaining ball compared to the 2853.
Is it larger?
Great vid, I’ve had the same issue in the past. I think it’s something with heat and expansion and contraction of the metal parts!
You need a stronger spring because when the driver is in reverse the centrifugal force makes the retention ball release the bit
Hey Vince great video, I love the channel and appreciate the hard work you guys put into it. I have always felt (and I’m sure I’m alone on this one) that impact drivers are not ment for drilling holes in wood where great forces are need to retrieve the bit, it puts a lot of pressure in a vary small area, unlike a conventional chuck that has a much better bite on the bit and the pressure is distributed beyond the detent in the shank. I also feel that using an impact driver of any brand as a drill for holes bigger than 1/2” shortens their life span dramatically, just my two cents.
I hear what you're saying but those Daredevil bits are impact ready! The Gen 3 has no problem drilling the holes, it's just the retrieval of the bit in thick wood. I know Milwaukee will come through with a solution!
I love the those bits! I picked up the the larger holiday promo set at the HD , should last me until next Christmas. In my comment I was referring to the the life span of the impact driver itself after reading it I’m not sure if that was clear, i’ve had problems with a few different brands losing their grip on Retrieval but it usually doesn’t start happening for a few years.I love talking tools.Happy New Year
It happened to me once. Hasn't since. We shall see! Thanx for the video. I was wondering what u was going to try when in past videos had issues removing spade bits
I’m gonna need to try more drastic measures !!
@@VCGConstruction have to post that video! In case mine decides to say, naw I'm done lol how's it going today brother?
Alls good Summit, how about you bro?
@@VCGConstruction this are decent. Been installing whole house systems. Duct work and everything. Even running gas line from where meter will be placed. Finished 1 job today, starting a new big job tomorrow. 6 bedroom house, 3 zones. Should be fun yet cold lol
You really should had your safety glasses on Vince when removing that snap ring. "You're going to shoot your eye out kid." (Movie quote)
Have you ever thought that different bits fit differently in every impact cuz I've had that issue with the gen5x brushless impact and those Bosch space bits too plus I've had issues with different brands of bits not wanting to lock in the collet as well with different impacts
Just thoughts I didnt realize this was actually a known issue
That’s a good point, I guess I should try some other bits?!?!
@@VCGConstruction it's always the impact ready drill bits that make it do that cuz the tension of pulling the drill bit back out is at most pretty intense even for a drill chuck and if you wrote or called Bosch I'm almost guessing they'll tell you that the daredevil spade bits are made like that for grip in a chuck and very limited use in an impact if that's all you got.......again just trying to dissect an issue and throw out all possible variables
HunterGreen M18Fan I think you’re right. Bosch bits are the only ones I’ve had problems with being retained in the Milwaukee fuel impact.
I bet if you measured the dimensions of the hex head the tolerance are different than the Milwaukee hex head bits.
@@LCCJ82 that's what I'm getting at those bits aren't advertised as impact ready if I'm not mistaken and I use the Milwaukee speedbore bits that fit in an impact and have zero issue with it being released without me releasing it manually.....but to be sure use a Bosch impact with the daredevil spade bits and see if they fall out trying g to pull the bit back out.....see if brands build there collets around there own proprietary bits.....might make for a cool video.....hint hint
Great Video Bros & Love the Iron Maiden intro 🤘
Thanks Thomas!
You guys work those tools like no other so wear and tear takes on a whole new mean!
Henry Cruz to be fair that drill looks like it’s had light use as to what other professionals use them. It should not have any problems
Do you think we abuse the tools Henry?
I don’t think you “abuse” the tools but certainly take the to the edge more then you do in the average work day
Sekekama WoW you see there is no such thing as an average work day. Some days might require more dedicated time on a tool and quite frankly we pay good money for these products to work as they should whenever the task call for it without fail
@@VCGConstruction of course you do silly.
Im talking about what happens during TTRs
Great video is always vince.. shakee signing out
Should i take my new kit back? What brand is better ?
I remember seeing a video of the emposium for Milwaukee someone asked if drilling with the impact is a good idea, he kind of said yeah but not to push it. Wouldn’t the drill be better for spade bits that are 1.5 inches over the impact?
possibly, but then what is all this power for?
Hahahahahaha. This is just great. Over engineered gun that is supposed to drive screws. And your tool can’t hold a bit. Hahahaha.
I am so glad I watched this. Was debating on getting this over Makita. Well, makita it is!
10/27/2022 Just received in the mail my brand new Milwaukee fuel impact driver.
First day on the job the collet did not hold the bit one time had to set the drill down And borrow my boss's
Pretty pathetic.
I haven't had this problem but then again, I use my drill for drilling and my driver for driving. Seems like the examples VCG keeps using are using this gen 3 driver for drilling?
Driving applications require very little retention. No excuse for it coming out but he's kind of reefing on it to try and back the bits out but the tool wasn't made to do this?
I own this driver and I bought the shockwave bits, are they supposed to have play when in the driver? The bits go in and out and rotate slightly side to side beans new. The driver is 1/4. Sorry I know I’m misspeaking a bit. Thanks new to tools trying to learn more.
I hope the new impact driver Metabo SSD 18 LTX 200 BL, which you recently tested, does not have such problems? I plan to purchase it.
No problems so far with the collet but it doesn't have quick insert which isn't as convenient but maybe more durable!?!
I also think it's because of the quick insert. I think that such a serious company as Milwaukee will quickly solve this problem, because in the modern world the competition of manufacturers is very high, reputation is very expensive, and no one wants to get into a puddle. Anyway, thank you for your answer, and good luck in the new year!
Bosch bits in the Milwaukee tend to mess up the collet for some reason. All other bits in Milwaukee are fine. Other impact drivers using Bosch bits are fine. But, when you mix Bosch bits with Milwaukee, the Milwaukee collet gets messed up some how. Plus the collet design's single ball bearing doesn't help.
An annoyance if you're on the ground, but if you're on a ladder that's a serious problem.
Very good point!!
I have made a habit to spin the chuck every time I insert a bit. I have lost a few. I havnt been able to fix
Quality looking great man
Now that I got your attention... wear hearing protection in your testing videos man... be a good role model for your viewers and maintain your hearing
I have the same impact driver and mine sticks like that too. just tried the same steps but still has issues. resetting the collet is as easy as pulling out on the collet for me. but I don't think its a bearing issue. see if your collet has play side to side as if the collet gets out of round and gets wedged. Just my thought on it. guess I'll have to deal with it or order a new collet.
Send it in for service call 1800sawdust
Your a beast Vince fixing your own tools love what you do CUZ 🤘🏻🇺🇸
I’m a first year female plumbing apprentice doing high rise.
I drill into concrete almost daily as I install cast iron for drainage. I have the m12 third generation impact.
It’s super light, fast. The boys only use the m18 because it looks manlier. To be honest it has way too much torque for most things. It rarely needs to be your main drill.
I refuse to wreck my wrist to look cooler - although I do have a m18 as well for cutting and drilling steel stud, like actual holes.
I maintain my drill weekly. I blow out all the vents, wipe down the drill.
If I’m doing concrete and my grease has become goop. I remove it.
Apply my Milwaukee grease in the chuck, on the putter rings of the chuck that moves up and down, and apply a thick amount underneath it where the gear casing is.
I apply a lot to all areas and work it. I turn my drill on all settings and run it for a minute each switching between the settings to get it worked in the gears.
Than I apply wd40 specialist silicone - the water proof and anti dust collecting spray. I actually spray that on before even applying my grease after I’ve cleaned out all the old grease.
If you don’t maintain your drills they honestly don’t work as fast.
I use the compact 3 am battery on my drill and have a 6 amp for more frequent use like when I’m doing deck work.
I notice a big difference in running power between cleanings
I use a small square paint brush to apply my grease and clean with q - tips and remove the old grease by folding paper corners to flick out the old grease as I’m too afraid to take it apart.
Works well. Takes a while. Blow out the chuck areas with air and wd40 and run it before applying the grease
Any update from Milwaukee on the collet issue? Mine keeps doing when using the socket adapter and heavy loads.
The grease you wiped out leaked out from the anvil chamber. The chuck should be dry lubed only, the grease will be a dirt magnet. Take care bud
Great video Vince. Way to get in there and figure out why the red china is having issues with its chuck. Glad you followed up on that problem. Is it that tool alone. if you pulled a new one out of the box, and thats the first thing you test. Will it do it?
Would you like us test that out?
@@VCGConstructionIt sure wouldn't be a bad test to do.
My M18 Surge is making a high pitched whining noise sitting idle and it won't change modes or direction. I have to screw around with the battery to get it to actually work, but it goes back to doing the same thing eventually. My M18 Fuel did the same thing after three years and was stuck on mode 1 and wouldn't reverse. Nothing I did would fix it so I just sold it as parts on Ebay. My M18 Surge is only 4 months old, how to I fix it or kept it from becoming bricked?
Teardown videos are The Best! Keep them coming.
Yeah that’s what’s up, thanks for the feedback!!
Try installing the bearing ball in front of the secondary spring. Not in-between the coils. I tried it both ways...in between allows free pull-out. in front, locks the bit in like it's supposed to be.
Good video Vince! That's a disappointment that that collet fails so easily. I would agree with you that it is probably the most powerful impact on the market today. Too bad it's not as heavy duty as it should be. Milwaukee should offer to replace collets on impacts already sold. I wonder if this issue will result in them releasing gen 3.5 or 4 sometime this year
We’re gonna need to follow through and see if we can find a resolution for the #VeryCoolGang!
I have the same problem, checked it out, and I believe the collet is becoming magnetized and holding the ball up. If you turn the 1/4-5/16th bit over magnet side in. The ball drops. Thoughts?
I put a dab of SDS bit grease on a bit very occasionally on my impact driver it seems to help it keep going nicely
had to do this with a Milwaukee gen 1 impact, I used Texaco machine bearing Grease. I think it's 'graphite lithium' based.
Did that do the trick?
VCG Construction the problem was I couldn't remove the bit without wrestling with it. yes works good now, still using it few years later.
@VCGConstruction hey Vince, was wondering if I could ask your opinion on this impact. I can purchase a new gen 2 onekey for $107 or a new gen 3 reg for $114. You know I’m a #teamgreen guy, rock the Multivolt 🔨🔨🔨 all day but figured I’d pick one of these bad boys up since the prices are so good. Thanks in advance, happy new year!
@VCG Construction does this happen with Gen2 impacts ?? I've had mine for almost 2 years now has only done that once with a big 1" 1/2 paddle bit just curious if its all Milwaukee impact drivers
Some not all
@@VCGConstruction my gen2 does have the same issue as the new gen3. gotta take it quite slow and carefull but reversing a paddlebit out of the wood.
I think it's happened because you drive the bit to much deep and the collet hitting the wood and kind of releasing the bit and screws the spring and everything the should be in such position. But thanks for the video and totally hope milwaukee really do something about this problem.
Collets release on the pull not on the pushing in motion so that shouldn't happen.
My M18 Fuel impact driver is making a high pitched whine (even when the trigger's not pulled), only stays in mode 1 and stops responding after 1 - 2 minutes. It only starts working until the battery is removed and reinserted, but goes though the same thing every time. Do you think it's a circuit board failure?
I have the same driver that i got to replace my old one from 2010 and its powerful, but i have hardly used it and have the same issue. Also the damn button to switch modes is in a terrible spot and i bump it all the time with my pinky
I know this is an old video. But have you tried using a high heat copper anti sieize?
the anvils on the m18 (non fuel) use 2 ball bearings, possibly they would swap
Hey Vin and VCG crew, what brand of 10 inch general purpose blade for miter/table saws should I get. The Diablo deal at Home Depot seems pretty enticing. Great video by the way!
What exactly will you be cutting?
@@VCGConstruction just some dimensional lumber and plywood on occasion.
Go with the diablo if they’re on deal!! If not check out the DeWalt precision blades, they’re awesome!!
@@VCGConstruction Thanks VCG!
Two bearings would be a tighter retention to hold the bit in or a slightly bigger bearing maybe would work in my opinion.....
Do you think a stiffer spring could help the problem?
@@VCGConstruction Yes, a little stiffer spring would help in my opinion..
Its not just that driver the m12 driver does it as well the spring breaks on them ive replaced one already where the spring snaps in half
I wouldn't have bought Milwaukee if i knew about this problem.
It’s really a great brand. They all have their issues. Makita probably has the best impacts in my personal opinion. I went with Milwaukee mainly because I needed the power at the time. They are hard working tools no doubt.
J G , get the cheaper Bauer , works great .
it lets go of the paddle bits exactly like your gen 3 and my get two does that swell its something to do with there chucks. i bought a new one same thin happened
Do you think it’s an issue with the Bosch bits, should we try a Milwaukee brand drill bit instead?
I'd use mobile 1 u-joint chassis grease its dark grey and works good
Thanks Jonathon I’ll check it out!!
Having the same issue here, as well as having an issue with the trigger sometimes not activating the tool, even with a full charged battery.
I just spray some regular Wd 40 in it and on all my impact drivers it keeps the collets working great. Heat lithium grease will probably work also the kind they use in electrical stuff and car electric connections. 👌
How do I change the anvil impact on my milwaukee fuel impact drill
Hi, I living in Vietnam. I have a problem with milwaukee 2853. Can you help me?
If I hold the gun pointed down it makes the noise. Point it up it goes away. If you shake the gun the whole drive system rattles. Sent it for seller, they tall “it is normal”. I hope to get feedback soon. Thank you very much.
The question is why are you turning the back gear on when you try to take paddle bit out ? Just keep the forward gear and pull it out.