I will admit my preference would be towards Milwaukee, but it kinda tees me off that they won't fix their problem leaving their customers to come up with the fix.
they can easily fix the issue by coming out with a gen 4 impact but they probably wont want to issue a recall and fix a million impacts....too costly for them....its cheaper for them to make the gen 4...just my opinion
@@kingofthecrease30 how much will they lose if customers go to another brand because they won't fix their mistake because they are worried about how much it will cost them. Look I think it's obvious that I am not a big business man, so I may be wrong on that, but as a customer that is what I want a company to think about.
highjix anyone who is already invested into Milwaukee will most likely won’t want to go to a whole different company, that’s now a different brand battery to carry, and a different brand charger to carry. It’s just more hassle, and most contractors would rather just eat the $150 than have the hassle every single day of having an odd ball out
@@highjix you have a good point but alot of tradesman are loyal to their tool brands...just like people who buy pick up trucks...alot of people want to stay on the same battery platform and not have to invest in a new brand but yes...you will have some people buying a new brand...small percentage
Honestly, I never had that problem because if I’m drilling holes, I use a drill. The problem I’ve had is with me driving a lag and the chuck/collet not disengaging the hex socket.
Can someone as quick as they can tell me is this problem all blown out of proportion? I mean cmon 5 years skin warranty? And me very stoopid and reallllly want red. Been running the new makitas through 2019 and new 2020 and they are children's toys made for cabinet work or some soft shit, no good for heavy stuff shed stock and barn building whatsoever, the makita impact drivers are all weak as piss
S H I just got the problem in mine, it’s not a terrible issue but it’s defo a thing that can happen. Wearing safety glasses and making sure you turn it in if it happens will help a lot.
@@AlexDenton0451 just got the same problem with mine aswell at work after using it for about 1 week, (brand new) the spring that holds the ball bearing bent 90 degrees and was sticking out of the tool until it flew out of the tool, might be unrelated but definantly an issue, the tool was never dropped, never mishandled and all it did was loosen and mounting no bigger screws than some T30 bits probably an inch long at the most, so very light work for the time i had it (it has been sent in for warranty repair)
Hey Vince, thanks for making these videos. I know you're a big Milwaukee fan, so it's appreciated that you show honest takes on the problem. I'm A DIYer that's finally upgrading from Ryobi (they're good, I just want better) and was struggling to decide between Milwaukee and Makita. I hope Milwaukee understands that this is why I didn't choose them as the upgrade to all my tools. And it's not so much about the collet, it's about the two years and no fix. They have a lot of very smart guys working for them. They could fix this if they really wanted to do so. Keep up the strong work!
Same here. I’m heavily invested in the dewalt platform and I have a couple m12 tools but wouldn’t switch over due to this kind of stuff. They cost too much to have these kinds of issues. I don’t like that you need 2 hands to switch a bit either. With my Dewalt’s I just pull the collet with 2 fingers and it advances the bit allowing me to switch when my hands are tied.
Same here.... its just put me off buying into the Milwaukee eco system... I was about to spend over a grand on various tools... multi-tool.... drils... saws etc.....
I have both Milwaukee and Makita platforms and I think I'm done with Milwaukee, first problems with 9.0 & 12.0 replaced under warranty then this. Never had problems with collets on Makita impacts.
So my gen three brushless fuel impact did just that yesterday. Thought it was a bit manufacturing problem. Didn't think anything of it. Then I saw your video last night. Gonna have to try another bit and see if surgery is needed. I saw it first on the VCG Channel. And if ya like seeing things first....smash that like button.
Go to the internet and get a ball spring from the M18 Surge model and use it to replace the ball spring in the Gen 3. Will stop the collet from getting stuck in a open position. It did at least when I did it.
I can’t believe Milwaukee hasn’t come up with a solution yet! You’re their biggest fan and one would think they would try to make you happy! Let’s hope it comes soon…… Have a great day! Bob
Had 3 of those Gen 3 impacts. None lasted more than 3 weeks. !! Went back to the bomb proof surge. Unfortunately the surge doesn’t have the same power but I love it ..
Hey guys, I believe I have fixed (for the time being) my 3rd gen!!! I’ve been having this issue when spading, but yesterday I started have this issue every time I pulled my bit out to change it as well. So I decided to give it a try. The only thing I did differently than this video shows, is I took the spring and stretched it just a little bit to give it more upward force on the ball bearing. And I’ve been testing my impact in various ways, and it hasn’t come out once. I will comment as soon as it does, if it does. Let me know if this works for you!
Thanks Vince, I appreciate the effort. Kinda disappointed at Milwaukee. They seem like a good solid company. Hate to see them build a bad wrap for themselves by not fixing/recalling the obvious problem.
I really love everything you guys do. I've been watching your videos for years and been following your videos on the collet problem since the beginning. I own the same impact driver and luckily haven't had that issue yet, thankfully. But I mostly use it for soffet and gutters. Its still the best impact out there in MY opinion. Can't deny that power! Keep up the great work you do making milwaukee pay attention to what's going on. I appreciate it more than you know and I'm sure most people feel the same.
Thank you for the video! I didn't know where to begin. After watching I repaired my m12 impact in about 5 mins. My spring looked different but figured it was the same issue. What pushes the ball bearing just needs to push it farther in
I just fixed mine today, a bit broke in the collet. Thanks to this video I was able to fix it. It seemed easier on the video. 😅 Still was easy, it's not worth paying someone to do it. Thanks Vince it helped me lot's 😀
I did not read through all the comments to see if anyone commented on this but your thought was right regarding the tail of the ball bearing spring could be cut off. The new model (I just bought) has the end curled in a circle under the ball bearing instead of the "U" found on your model. Still does not seem to have the proper angle on is so I followed what u did and turned it up into the ball bearing and it seems to have helped. Love your videos!
Thank you bro. I just used this video to fix my new surge impact which STILL seems to have this problem. At least there was someone out there to help me out. Much appreciated
i use the impact for screws and nuts only. when it comes to drilling holes i grab the hammer drill, thats why i went with the gen 3 impact / hammer drill combo w/ two 5ah batts, charger and hard case.
Have mostly Milwalkie corded tools. Now have an impact driver with no problems yet, BUT have only driven screws with it. Hell good to know the problem, thanx. Dropping a spade bit or hole saw on flooring is a serious matter in our work.
Nice video👍 I had same issue. and fixed it! It was not easy to take the first ring out and put it back. I followed how he’s hand is holding the ring! Thank you!
I'm glad I saw your videos before I spent my money on their product. I think I'll wait until Milwaukee fixes the issue before buying. Thanks for the videos.
Hi Vince, Thanks for the video. At least you tried it. Hopefully milwaukee can find a solution. It started to happen to my milwaukee gen 3 impact. I still have my DeWalt DCF 887 (type 3). I re-greased my dewalt DCF 887 with Amsoil synthetic grease and it's been holding up and working great. It gets a little warm but normal. It doesn't get extremely hot or over heat like before and like the other models (type 1 & 2). Don't get me wrong the milwaukee gen 3 is still a stronger impact but that colet issue is annoying. Just wanted to share.
Christopher TheCarpenter I have been using Dewalt for 25 years I am never had a problem that being said I think all tool brands has stepped up there game in the past couple of years. And the battery life and what you can do with them is unbelievable.
I recently purchased Milwaukee for my father all gen 3 and I waited to find something comparable, I actually decided to try the xtr line from kobalt and I have been nothing but satisfied, I really hope Milwaukee will fix this and honor replacements on gen 3 impacts, both brands works pretty flawlessly for our concrete business but I'd love to see the Collet issue taken care of, also thanks for the reviews so I had the opportunity to see what was worth the money. VCG keeping it factual and informing the everyday crew!!!
Nothing wrong with team teal. I'm well over a grand invested in team yellows batteries alone thou. When i upgraded to 20 volt a few years ago I almost switched from yellow to red. Glad I stuck with team yellow cause imo team reds corporates have been milking the company for a few years.
Very nice video 👌. Seems like a very simple fix that how many engineers at Milwaukee have done notta about... The very cool gang is the best gang in town 😎. And very nice use of them Klein mini screwdrivers. Klein is the go to for electricians tools. Keep up the good work!!!
I have Milwaukee and Dewalt drivers, I hate using the Milwaukee because of these problems. My bits get stuck in there as well all the time. Even though my Dewalt is slow it has always worked without any problems
Hey Vince now that you've shown me the internals of the mechanism it seems to me what you're looking at is a tensioning issue with one of the springs but I'm not entirely certain it's actually the spring down there holding the ball bearing in it may be a tensioning issue with the collet spring not leaving the collet completely engaged. Does seem like very very fine Springs for such a hard use application. The best course of action might be to beef up one or both of those springs.
Am on the market for some new tools. Was strongly considering Milawaukee but leaning more towards Makita now. Would like the Hilti but way too pricey. Thanks for the video. Was really amped up for this to work after watching your previous attempt to rectify the issue.
My bits always fall out with Milwukee. Thought it was just me putting them in wrong. Sometimes they get stuck - especially the spade bits when i'm drilling holes in wood . Never had that issue with ryobi. Also Milwukee does not have a magnetic catch to hold screws/bits. only two downsides. Will try the spring trick you showed. Also will order more parts incase I loose something.
I've never lost a bit like that, but then again I don't yank on the driver when reversing the bit out. It comes out just fine on it's own. I use spade bits constantly with my work as well, and while I can see this happening with the type of release system, the type of demonstrations or work that cause this to happen is only under extreme circumstances/abuse. Though regardless I personally don't need the quick release setup, and wish that Milwaukee would just let us use a non quick release collet if we so choose to.
I was hopeful with the increased retention that this was going to do the trick. Kudos to the idea and attempt to share the fix which is more than the manufacturer has done to this point. I’ve watched but declined to comment before since my initial view hasn’t changed. I’d still like to see if a double bearing collet would be better and maybe the retention indents of different brands sync up to a more uniform tolerance across all. I have nothing against the daredevils but their indents seem to have a much larger indent throw which then allows the ball bearing to simply ramp up and out of the indent upon pulling the bit out. Couple that with the force in pulling the bit out also coincides with the fact that the collet may also be getting forced into its natural release position, if that makes sense. Heck, maybe Milwaukee might just want to reverse the collet so pulling it towards the motor housing releases the bit , lol. Soap box put away, appreciate what you do! Stay safe all!
If a company knows about an obvious problem like this and hasn’t done anything in 2 years, that’s a sign of a serious management problem. Rare occurrence? Didn’t car companies say the same thing about metal pieces flying out of their airbags, engines catching on fire, and countless other excuses manufacturers have made over the years? If management got serious about it, it could’ve been fixed years ago. SAD.
Took my gen 3 Milwaukee combo back to Home Depot today when Milwaukee makes these fixes I will repurchase. This is just absolutely terrible for such an awesome power tool!
I had the same problem with my driver. I just disassembled it and gave it a nice cleaning and everything went back to normal. When I wiped everything down there was what looked like spent grease, probably due to the nature of the work I do. I didn’t lube anything after the fact. I’ll post an update if my fix fails miserably.
I HAVE THE FIX!! The issue is the sleeve/collet that is supposed to hold the ball down is worn and is slightly tapered on the inside of the collet where it meets the ball. Withdrawing the bit while drilling will put pressure on the ball and force the collet up, so the bit gets released. THE FIX: I ground the bottom of the collet so when installed it will sit lower letting the ball the contact the inside of the collet where it's not tapered. Sooner or later that non-tapered area will get tapered too, but this WILL fix the problem. I've tested this and it works.
I didn't really know this was a thing until I found out, the hard way... Ended up busting a bit because it came out enough that it broke off... I did see yours do it during one of your head to head battles against a competitor, and they had no troubles doing the exact thing you were, but I thought it was a fluke and there was debris trapped in there.
Twenty-something years in construction and I've been using Ryobi, DeWalt and among some other toes but most of my tools I use are Ryobi, I've used Milwaukee and Makita for some reason I prep for the Ryobi impact drivers
Correct me if I wrong. Shouldn’t you use a drill to drill a hole and not an impact driver? BTW I figured a way to fix the problem and that is by listening to Vince. I purchased the Milwaukee Compact Impact Driver instead of the larger one. No issue with the Compact one.
I've had the same exact issue with my impact gun. I love it, the power it has and the size. Great gun but that collar issue sucks. Can't tell you how many times I've had a wire wheel or cup on and it has came off. Very dangerous situation. Thanks for the instructional video
ive never had the collet problem. i would suggest its not an occurrence with every single driver. i guess i got lucky. cant recommend the Milwaukee driver enough. i use it mostly for cabinet making and carpentry. but i have used it extensively for duct installation and driving into steel frames. never an issue. the power delivered, the tension control, and the battery life is phenomenal.
Crazy u wouldnt buy a new car with problems like saying Its fast good performance nice torgue but the handbrake might come off anytime roll down a bank ha
There are a ton of good products that have flaws. Look at cars. I challenge you to find a good car that doesn't have some issues. That said, I much prefer DeWalt collets. ;)
Ugh, Mikita got stolen and decided on the Fuel. Less than a year in this starts happening. Makita lasted 10+ years. Thankfully a good tap on some concrete as demonstrated here did the trick. Thanks!
It was worth a shot I think you should try putting the M12 spring onto the M18 gen 3 spring because they are designed differently , that could work Thanks for addressing this
DAMN GOOD VIDEO! Ive had my impact drill for 2 years now after buying it from a pawn shop and to this day i have not encountered this problem on mine. But its good to know about this issue and will keep this in mind. Hopefully milwaukee will upgrade those collets because these tools are freaking amazing.
I was just about to buy a Milwaukee impact driver to complement my M18 Fuel drill but I won't be one after seeing this video, thanks for saving me from an expensive mistake. I'll be buying a Makita one now to match my other drills.
I found the problem with the collet in Milwaukee impact driver gen 3. My old Mastercraft Impact driver has to be pushed in to insert the bit. On Milwaukee, it has to be "pulled" to release so it is the opposite. So when trying to remove the drill bit with Milwaukee, you pull the tool up and that is exactly what this Milwaukee tool needs to release the bit. Conclusion, Milwaukee will have to change the direction of the collet, instead of pulling, {to release the bit} pushing will do lock the collet in place and the bit will remind in the tool when pulling up to remove the drill bit from the work piece. Very simple, now Milwaukee engineers get to work haha.
Man I was really hoping this fix would work so it could crush the TTR's. When it was new was the collet a problem, or did it just become an issue over time and gradually become borderline unusable for pull outs? If it was a gradual thing I would say that likely the springs are stretched, and a good solution would be to order both springs and maybe ball bearing assembly from Milwaukee. If it was an issue the entire time then replacement parts likely would change nothing like this hack did. Thanks for the vid.
I just returned the one I bought. It takes 2 hands to change the bits, the light is crap, and it shakes the shit out of your hand if running in lags. It's also loud and gets hot. My old brushed Dewalt, while not as fast, transmits a fraction of the vibration to the hand that the Fuel driver does. The Dewalt also has single-hand bit changing and has a good light.
Hi, what about combining this trick with the previous one of using a larger ball bearing? I bought myself a proper German Metabo brushless impact to join the brushless 18v drill. The engineering quality is amazing.
I wonder if you take the spring out of the m18 surge or the older brushed impact and put that spring instead. I wonder if that would make a difference since those impacts don't have this issue.
Does Milwaukee removed the bottom spring in the new models? On Dewalt impact, the bit jumping out when you lift the collet up unlike the new One key impact that I have.
Mine worked great for like 8 months then started to have this issue as well. It also has a weird issue now when I pull the trigger the tool will do nothing with a charged battery. Only thing that will bring it back to life is switching the speed setting.
Hey Vince I have 4 Dewalt 885s and have had to fix 2 collet issues over the 8 years of using them hard. What has happened on the Dewalt is the bearing tensioner spring tip has broken off due to many hard years of use. On the Dewalts the bearing springs upper end is bent in at a 90° angle at a length of about an 1/8th of an inch and that little bent tip sits under the bearing. When ive fixed both of mine ive simply bent another 90° tip on the end of the existing spring where the old end had broken off after 4 years of daily use. If the fix didnt work I was just going to order new springs from Dewalt but the fix has worked great for the past 3 or 4 years. You might try a Dewalt spring in your Milwaukee collet as from your vid everything else looks very similar. Im wondering if the U shape of that Milwaukee bearing spring causes some binding issue when under extreme vibration that makes it bind against the bearing chute walls preventing it from pushing the bearing back up. It would be interesting to know how other quick collet manufacturers springs look in comparison. If all the other manufacturers have springs like the Dewalt and dont have collet issues then that Milwaukee bearing spring might be the issue. Having so many different manufacturers at your fingertips you could check it out Vince. Really would like ya to get it figured out so Dewalt has No excuse to not bring out a better impact then the 887 UGH! My 885s arent going to last forever, or are they lol. 👍👍👍
Great tool shame that Milwaukee havent issued a modified spring FOC on demand . I was about to treat myself to a Gen 4 BUT having to resort to tweaking faulty springs does not impress me one bit .
I still use a standard drill, like the xph07 or milwaukee 2804 for drilling, i just havent seen any advantage to using an impact for paddle bits and drilling holes in general, drill chuck holds it good, and is faster than an impact when drilling, driving screws is a different story...
I think the drilling test the method U use to remove the bit is to heavy handed for any brand impact driver collet I think it letting go actually prevents any damage to the tool the material&the user...if u check that's it locked in there's no need to be so heavy let the bit do the cutting &safely remove from material by control of the trigger
the old 10+ yr old brushed M18 impact handles it fine and the gen 2 fuel handles it fine. This is one of them unforeseen problems problems that you might have got out of cheaper brands back in the day. I run allen screws and have the same issue when pulling up. Also dont forget that sometimes the collet just doesnt lock when switching bits.
Have you tried taking apart the collar of the surge and see if there’s a difference between that one and these? Also try swapping them out if possible?
Great video vin man , I saw your first video about this when I bought my drill driver kit. I noticed it had a single ball bearing and was a little sketchy so I use my drill for drilling my driver for driving. So so far so good . Thanks again for the heads up Vinny 👍👌
Hi Vince good vid but I think the person who suggested the fix is barking up the wrong tree. The issue isnt with that sping with the bend in it, it is the fact that the collet is stopping in such a place that the ball is still on the ramp on the inside and not on the flat. When pressure is applied by pulling on the bit, the ball forces the collet forward and hence disengages. The ball needs to sit on the flat at the top if the ramp i.e. further back on the tool. Behind the second spring is a quite a fat flat washer which if it was slimmer would allow the collet to sit further back. I would have tried this but I think finding the right size washer would be a pain so I put the rear of the collet, not the knurled end, on to an angle grinder and took some material off. This now allows the collet to sit further back ensuring the ball can not force it forward to disengage. If milwaukee wants to rectify this the cheapest option would probably be a thinner washer or the more expensive option is to reduce the length of the collet (try holding it up to the collet on the M12 impact and you will see a slight difference). Hope this helps. p.s. please note if you are going to grind the rear of your collet, make sure you put a champfer on the inside edge so that it does not catch on the spring causing the same issue and bend the indent in the spring downwards with pliers.
Thanks for vid Vince. I never use my impact to drill so I think this will fix my issue of just putting in a bit to watch it sometimes go shooting down into the elevator pit cuz it just fell out. There seems to be better tension now and I'll take that. Appreciate all that you do.
They nailed it on their first GEN M18’s, That collar was perfect! And I do not mind having to pull it forward to insert a bit instead of the easy insert, I believe the first one was more reliable!
I used my Milwaukee surge for almost two years before the trigger started working intermittently. I continued to used it for another 6 months until I realized I still had one of the fuel impacts. After only a couple months of using that one, only for driving screws, my bit falls out just like in your videos. Do you know if they have solved this problem yet? It's sad I love the Milwaukee tools but in under 2 years I've a lot of issues with them and with only one set of tools it's impractical to send tools off for a week or more to get them fixed.
I just purchased a reconditioned one and it doesn't do this but I have been extremely nervous about it because I watched the previous videos after I already ordered the impact idk if they figured it out or I just got lucky...either way mine is retaining the bits as of now
I will admit my preference would be towards Milwaukee, but it kinda tees me off that they won't fix their problem leaving their customers to come up with the fix.
they can easily fix the issue by coming out with a gen 4 impact but they probably wont want to issue a recall and fix a million impacts....too costly for them....its cheaper for them to make the gen 4...just my opinion
@@kingofthecrease30 how much will they lose if customers go to another brand because they won't fix their mistake because they are worried about how much it will cost them.
Look I think it's obvious that I am not a big business man, so I may be wrong on that, but as a customer that is what I want a company to think about.
highjix anyone who is already invested into Milwaukee will most likely won’t want to go to a whole different company, that’s now a different brand battery to carry, and a different brand charger to carry. It’s just more hassle, and most contractors would rather just eat the $150 than have the hassle every single day of having an odd ball out
@@highjix you have a good point but alot of tradesman are loyal to their tool brands...just like people who buy pick up trucks...alot of people want to stay on the same battery platform and not have to invest in a new brand but yes...you will have some people buying a new brand...small percentage
@@highjix I won't change brands, but I won't buy this until they fix it.
This collet issue has kept me from buying Milwaukee impact drivers thanks for the invaluable info Vince
Honestly, I never had that problem because if I’m drilling holes, I use a drill. The problem I’ve had is with me driving a lag and the chuck/collet not disengaging the hex socket.
Right?! When is the gen 4 available online?
I am waiting for the gen 4s
Dewalt has the same collet. Use a drill for drilling and the impact for screws. No problem
Looks like it needs a stronger spring and larger bearing. Here's an idea. Take apart the collar of a Dewalt impact and compare the two.
Can someone as quick as they can tell me is this problem all blown out of proportion? I mean cmon 5 years skin warranty? And me very stoopid and reallllly want red.
Been running the new makitas through 2019 and new 2020 and they are children's toys made for cabinet work or some soft shit, no good for heavy stuff shed stock and barn building whatsoever, the makita impact drivers are all weak as piss
Can someone please try a better spring lol im sure theres gotta be a stronger spring somewhere like you said man
That's not a bad idea, I would love to see Vince make a video showing that
S H I just got the problem in mine, it’s not a terrible issue but it’s defo a thing that can happen. Wearing safety glasses and making sure you turn it in if it happens will help a lot.
@@AlexDenton0451 just got the same problem with mine aswell at work after using it for about 1 week, (brand new) the spring that holds the ball bearing bent 90 degrees and was sticking out of the tool until it flew out of the tool, might be unrelated but definantly an issue, the tool was never dropped, never mishandled and all it did was loosen and mounting no bigger screws than some T30 bits probably an inch long at the most, so very light work for the time i had it (it has been sent in for warranty repair)
Hey Vince, thanks for making these videos. I know you're a big Milwaukee fan, so it's appreciated that you show honest takes on the problem. I'm A DIYer that's finally upgrading from Ryobi (they're good, I just want better) and was struggling to decide between Milwaukee and Makita. I hope Milwaukee understands that this is why I didn't choose them as the upgrade to all my tools. And it's not so much about the collet, it's about the two years and no fix. They have a lot of very smart guys working for them. They could fix this if they really wanted to do so. Keep up the strong work!
Thanks Justin!
Same here. I’m heavily invested in the dewalt platform and I have a couple m12 tools but wouldn’t switch over due to this kind of stuff. They cost too much to have these kinds of issues. I don’t like that you need 2 hands to switch a bit either. With my Dewalt’s I just pull the collet with 2 fingers and it advances the bit allowing me to switch when my hands are tied.
Same here.... its just put me off buying into the Milwaukee eco system... I was about to spend over a grand on various tools... multi-tool.... drils... saws etc.....
@@raypeasley additionally, milwaukee is super expensive and very hard to get here in germany.
I have both Milwaukee and Makita platforms and I think I'm done with Milwaukee, first problems with 9.0 & 12.0 replaced under warranty then this. Never had problems with collets on Makita impacts.
So my gen three brushless fuel impact did just that yesterday. Thought it was a bit manufacturing problem. Didn't think anything of it. Then I saw your video last night. Gonna have to try another bit and see if surgery is needed.
I saw it first on the VCG Channel. And if ya like seeing things first....smash that like button.
Go to the internet and get a ball spring from the M18 Surge model and use it to replace the ball spring in the Gen 3. Will stop the collet from getting stuck in a open position. It did at least when I did it.
Genius.. its guy like that you that make Milwaukee who they are... without you they would not exist.. Great stuff.. Fan for life!
I can’t believe Milwaukee hasn’t come up with a solution yet! You’re their biggest fan and one would think they would try to make you happy! Let’s hope it comes soon…… Have a great day! Bob
Hopefully they take this to heart and get it fixed. Thanks for trying for us brother.
I didn't watch the whole video but... impact for threads, drill for drilling. The right tool for the right Job.
Had 3 of those Gen 3 impacts. None lasted more than 3 weeks. !! Went back to the bomb proof surge. Unfortunately the surge doesn’t have the same power but I love it ..
Because of u I got my collet fix and I got new drill Because of the switch . Thanks u the man
I’ve been having this problem with my Gen3 driver. I’m going to check this out. You are the man Vince
Hey guys, I believe I have fixed (for the time being) my 3rd gen!!! I’ve been having this issue when spading, but yesterday I started have this issue every time I pulled my bit out to change it as well. So I decided to give it a try. The only thing I did differently than this video shows, is I took the spring and stretched it just a little bit to give it more upward force on the ball bearing. And I’ve been testing my impact in various ways, and it hasn’t come out once. I will comment as soon as it does, if it does. Let me know if this works for you!
So how’d it go?
and? lol
Been 3 months (as of now)
- is it still fixed?
What do you mean by stretched the spring a little bit?
@@jonathanwilson7957 pulled on both ends of the spring, AKA stretched it out.
Thank you to VCG & Crew! -Just used this video and some spare parts to rebuild 3 of these! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Thanks Vince, I appreciate the effort. Kinda disappointed at Milwaukee. They seem like a good solid company. Hate to see them build a bad wrap for themselves by not fixing/recalling the obvious problem.
I really love everything you guys do. I've been watching your videos for years and been following your videos on the collet problem since the beginning. I own the same impact driver and luckily haven't had that issue yet, thankfully. But I mostly use it for soffet and gutters. Its still the best impact out there in MY opinion. Can't deny that power! Keep up the great work you do making milwaukee pay attention to what's going on. I appreciate it more than you know and I'm sure most people feel the same.
Thank you for the video! I didn't know where to begin. After watching I repaired my m12 impact in about 5 mins. My spring looked different but figured it was the same issue. What pushes the ball bearing just needs to push it farther in
I just fixed mine today, a bit broke in the collet. Thanks to this video I was able to fix it. It seemed easier on the video. 😅 Still was easy, it's not worth paying someone to do it. Thanks Vince it helped me lot's 😀
I did not read through all the comments to see if anyone commented on this but your thought was right regarding the tail of the ball bearing spring could be cut off. The new model (I just bought) has the end curled in a circle under the ball bearing instead of the "U" found on your model. Still does not seem to have the proper angle on is so I followed what u did and turned it up into the ball bearing and it seems to have helped.
Love your videos!
Thank you bro. I just used this video to fix my new surge impact which STILL seems to have this problem. At least there was someone out there to help me out. Much appreciated
I just bought a surge and it has the same problem
i use the impact for screws and nuts only. when it comes to drilling holes i grab the hammer drill, thats why i went with the gen 3 impact / hammer drill combo w/ two 5ah batts, charger and hard case.
I've always heard dont drill bigger than a half inch with ur impact cuz its not good for them. That shit is like nails on a chalk board to me.
Thanks guys, I tried and so far it’s working. Keep the good content rolling
Have mostly Milwalkie corded tools. Now have an impact driver with no problems yet, BUT have only driven screws with it. Hell good to know the problem, thanx. Dropping a spade bit or hole saw on flooring is a serious matter in our work.
i think VCG should sign up to be an authorized milwaukee tool service center 😂😂
🤣🤣 no thanks!!
Un-authorized! LOL!😜😘😍
Yo tengo una taladro de eso jeneraciom y me esta fallando k sería eso
Great video Vince, sad thing is, for as much as this has cost me for the combo kit, I should never have to result to fixing it like this
I agree 👍🏻
Problem is it didn't fix it but it was a no try no know situation, plan B? LOL
Nice video👍 I had same issue. and fixed it! It was not easy to take the first ring out and put it back. I followed how he’s hand is holding the ring! Thank you!
I'm glad I saw your videos before I spent my money on their product. I think I'll wait until Milwaukee fixes the issue before buying. Thanks for the videos.
Glad I saw this as I was about to order one of these. No more - I'm not ordering until this problem's sorted.
Love your accent. Love your enthusiasm for battery tools!
Hi Vince,
Thanks for the video. At least you tried it. Hopefully milwaukee can find a solution. It started to happen to my milwaukee gen 3 impact.
I still have my DeWalt DCF 887 (type 3). I re-greased my dewalt DCF 887 with Amsoil synthetic grease and it's been holding up and working great. It gets a little warm but normal. It doesn't get extremely hot or over heat like before and like the other models (type 1 & 2).
Don't get me wrong the milwaukee gen 3 is still a stronger impact but that colet issue is annoying.
Just wanted to share.
I just got same problem on gen 2 m12 fid a week ago, and Booom, vcg got a solution. Thx guys 😁
I was ready to send to my Milwaukee friends but till the near end I was let down. Worth to watch someone make the sacrifice of warranty
Switched the secondary spring from my dewalt impact to my Milwaukee, works completely fine now
Just paint the Makita red problem solved.
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Christopher TheCarpenter I have been using Dewalt for 25 years I am never had a problem that being said I think all tool brands has stepped up there game in the past couple of years. And the battery life and what you can do with them is unbelievable.
Christopher TheCarpenter I have been watching AvE for 5 years.
Ouch 😆🙈
That is hilarious. I have the m12 and I love them.. the big blue company is getting my money when I decide to go 18 volt!
I recently purchased Milwaukee for my father all gen 3 and I waited to find something comparable, I actually decided to try the xtr line from kobalt and I have been nothing but satisfied, I really hope Milwaukee will fix this and honor replacements on gen 3 impacts, both brands works pretty flawlessly for our concrete business but I'd love to see the Collet issue taken care of, also thanks for the reviews so I had the opportunity to see what was worth the money. VCG keeping it factual and informing the everyday crew!!!
3 years later... the problem is not taken care of
Was hoping it worked so we could see it handle abuse of ttr.
Cmon Milwaukee, fix it or you are going to see people switching teams, I’m personally thinking about team teal 😔
I'm on team teal for my 18v stuff. It's solid. (m12 for my lighter duty stuff)
Skeeter!!
Do it, ya won't ever go back😁
Nothing wrong with team teal. I'm well over a grand invested in team yellows batteries alone thou. When i upgraded to 20 volt a few years ago I almost switched from yellow to red. Glad I stuck with team yellow cause imo team reds corporates have been milking the company for a few years.
It's all team China.
Very nice video 👌. Seems like a very simple fix that how many engineers at Milwaukee have done notta about... The very cool gang is the best gang in town 😎. And very nice use of them Klein mini screwdrivers. Klein is the go to for electricians tools. Keep up the good work!!!
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Just bought the newest m18 surge/hammerdrill bag/ charger, XC 5.0 XC 2.0 kit today, $299, I’m liking it
I do like this. I actually fix these tools in a Milwaukee repair shop. I normally just swap the whole gear case. It seems to work great
I have Milwaukee and Dewalt drivers, I hate using the Milwaukee because of these problems. My bits get stuck in there as well all the time. Even though my Dewalt is slow it has always worked without any problems
Vince please do some more ryobi video would love to see them in action. Also love the channel keep it up brother
Hey Vince now that you've shown me the internals of the mechanism it seems to me what you're looking at is a tensioning issue with one of the springs but I'm not entirely certain it's actually the spring down there holding the ball bearing in it may be a tensioning issue with the collet spring not leaving the collet completely engaged. Does seem like very very fine Springs for such a hard use application. The best course of action might be to beef up one or both of those springs.
Yeah, I think you could be right
Excellent video and demo. Nice tools. Thank you.
I am really starting to like your channel!
Am on the market for some new tools. Was strongly considering Milawaukee but leaning more towards Makita now. Would like the Hilti but way too pricey. Thanks for the video. Was really amped up for this to work after watching your previous attempt to rectify the issue.
My bits always fall out with Milwukee. Thought it was just me putting them in wrong. Sometimes they get stuck - especially the spade bits when i'm drilling holes in wood . Never had that issue with ryobi. Also Milwukee does not have a magnetic catch to hold screws/bits. only two downsides. Will try the spring trick you showed. Also will order more parts incase I loose something.
I've never lost a bit like that, but then again I don't yank on the driver when reversing the bit out. It comes out just fine on it's own. I use spade bits constantly with my work as well, and while I can see this happening with the type of release system, the type of demonstrations or work that cause this to happen is only under extreme circumstances/abuse. Though regardless I personally don't need the quick release setup, and wish that Milwaukee would just let us use a non quick release collet if we so choose to.
I was hopeful with the increased retention that this was going to do the trick. Kudos to the idea and attempt to share the fix which is more than the manufacturer has done to this point. I’ve watched but declined to comment before since my initial view hasn’t changed. I’d still like to see if a double bearing collet would be better and maybe the retention indents of different brands sync up to a more uniform tolerance across all. I have nothing against the daredevils but their indents seem to have a much larger indent throw which then allows the ball bearing to simply ramp up and out of the indent upon pulling the bit out. Couple that with the force in pulling the bit out also coincides with the fact that the collet may also be getting forced into its natural release position, if that makes sense. Heck, maybe Milwaukee might just want to reverse the collet so pulling it towards the motor housing releases the bit , lol. Soap box put away, appreciate what you do! Stay safe all!
Thanks Tim, hope you and yours are doing well!
Good theory, but this tends to happen with all bits, even those made by Milwaukee.
If a company knows about an obvious problem like this and hasn’t done anything in 2 years, that’s a sign of a serious management problem. Rare occurrence? Didn’t car companies say the same thing about metal pieces flying out of their airbags, engines catching on fire, and countless other excuses manufacturers have made over the years? If management got serious about it, it could’ve been fixed years ago. SAD.
Milwaukee has a major design flaw, they went with a single ball bearing. It seems 2 is the standard by the rest of the manufacturers.
They have to cheap on something for keeping their target customer...
@@eekeetee there can be quick insert whit two balls.
@@jagarcogheart my childish side chuckled. Lol
Took my gen 3 Milwaukee combo back to Home Depot today when Milwaukee makes these fixes I will repurchase. This is just absolutely terrible for such an awesome power tool!
I had the same problem with my driver. I just disassembled it and gave it a nice cleaning and everything went back to normal. When I wiped everything down there was what looked like spent grease, probably due to the nature of the work I do. I didn’t lube anything after the fact. I’ll post an update if my fix fails miserably.
I HAVE THE FIX!! The issue is the sleeve/collet that is supposed to hold the ball down is worn and is slightly tapered on the inside of the collet where it meets the ball. Withdrawing the bit while drilling will put pressure on the ball and force the collet up, so the bit gets released. THE FIX: I ground the bottom of the collet so when installed it will sit lower letting the ball the contact the inside of the collet where it's not tapered. Sooner or later that non-tapered area will get tapered too, but this WILL fix the problem. I've tested this and it works.
If everyone with a twitter account would tweet at milwaukeetool with a link to this video, maybe we could shame them into it... #colletgate
Love the series on this brotha!!! Thanks for keeping up informed
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This worked on my drill and wasn’t that hard.. thankyouu !!
👍thanks.
What generation is the 2760-20.
Surge m18. Fuel. Thanks
I didn't really know this was a thing until I found out, the hard way... Ended up busting a bit because it came out enough that it broke off... I did see yours do it during one of your head to head battles against a competitor, and they had no troubles doing the exact thing you were, but I thought it was a fluke and there was debris trapped in there.
Just got mine with one ball- n its was fine- removed the spring and looks good - bended a little didnt even had to bud i hat to check. Good lucks
Twenty-something years in construction and I've been using Ryobi, DeWalt and among some other toes but most of my tools I use are Ryobi, I've used Milwaukee and Makita for some reason I prep for the Ryobi impact drivers
Correct me if I wrong. Shouldn’t you use a drill to drill a hole and not an impact driver? BTW I figured a way to fix the problem and that is by listening to Vince. I purchased the Milwaukee Compact Impact Driver instead of the larger one. No issue with the Compact one.
I've had the same exact issue with my impact gun. I love it, the power it has and the size. Great gun but that collar issue sucks. Can't tell you how many times I've had a wire wheel or cup on and it has came off. Very dangerous situation. Thanks for the instructional video
Squirt some WD-40 into it.
I don’t even own this tool but watched it anyways. Entertaining as always
ive never had the collet problem. i would suggest its not an occurrence with every single driver. i guess i got lucky. cant recommend the Milwaukee driver enough. i use it mostly for cabinet making and carpentry. but i have used it extensively for duct installation and driving into steel frames. never an issue. the power delivered, the tension control, and the battery life is phenomenal.
This got me through the day with my impact. Thanks for sharing
Why invest money on a product that needs fixing makes no sense, that tells you everything about the product itself.
Crazy u wouldnt buy a new car with problems like saying Its fast good performance nice torgue but the handbrake might come off anytime roll down a bank ha
There are a ton of good products that have flaws. Look at cars. I challenge you to find a good car that doesn't have some issues. That said, I much prefer DeWalt collets. ;)
Consider it a upgrade to a awesome tool.
@@802Garage rolls royce phantom lol ur right most cars have list of problems just like Milwaukee
@@802Garage thats why i dont buy Milwaukee .if milwakkee where a car make they would be Renault or fiat lol
Ugh, Mikita got stolen and decided on the Fuel. Less than a year in this starts happening. Makita lasted 10+ years. Thankfully a good tap on some concrete as demonstrated here did the trick. Thanks!
I have this problem after very little use only screwed with mine not drilled anything. Cheers for the video
It was worth a shot
I think you should try putting the M12 spring onto the M18 gen 3 spring because they are designed differently , that could work
Thanks for addressing this
Has anyone done this yet? Did it work??
DAMN GOOD VIDEO! Ive had my impact drill for 2 years now after buying it from a pawn shop and to this day i have not encountered this problem on mine. But its good to know about this issue and will keep this in mind. Hopefully milwaukee will upgrade those collets because these tools are freaking amazing.
Hello! Did it happen? I see amazing deals on 3-rd gen now and I wonder should I take M18 3-rd gen, 4-th gen or M12
@@Saeglopur89 its still going strong. To be honest, i like both the m12 and m18. Go with what you think fits best to your job.
I was just about to buy a Milwaukee impact driver to complement my M18 Fuel drill but I won't be one after seeing this video, thanks for saving me from an expensive mistake.
I'll be buying a Makita one now to match my other drills.
what are impact drivers made for?
I found the problem with the collet in Milwaukee impact driver gen 3. My old Mastercraft Impact driver has to be pushed in to insert the bit. On Milwaukee, it has to be "pulled" to release so it is the opposite. So when trying to remove the drill bit with Milwaukee, you pull the tool up and that is exactly what this Milwaukee tool needs to release the bit. Conclusion, Milwaukee will have to change the direction of the collet, instead of pulling, {to release the bit} pushing will do lock the collet in place and the bit will remind in the tool when pulling up to remove the drill bit from the work piece. Very simple, now Milwaukee engineers get to work haha.
Man I was really hoping this fix would work so it could crush the TTR's. When it was new was the collet a problem, or did it just become an issue over time and gradually become borderline unusable for pull outs? If it was a gradual thing I would say that likely the springs are stretched, and a good solution would be to order both springs and maybe ball bearing assembly from Milwaukee. If it was an issue the entire time then replacement parts likely would change nothing like this hack did.
Thanks for the vid.
I just returned the one I bought. It takes 2 hands to change the bits, the light is crap, and it shakes the shit out of your hand if running in lags. It's also loud and gets hot. My old brushed Dewalt, while not as fast, transmits a fraction of the vibration to the hand that the Fuel driver does. The Dewalt also has single-hand bit changing and has a good light.
Hi, what about combining this trick with the previous one of using a larger ball bearing?
I bought myself a proper German Metabo brushless impact to join the brushless 18v drill. The engineering quality is amazing.
I wonder if you take the spring out of the m18 surge or the older brushed impact and put that spring instead. I wonder if that would make a difference since those impacts don't have this issue.
Thank you! Very useful video. LESSON!!!
Does Milwaukee removed the bottom spring in the new models? On Dewalt impact, the bit jumping out when you lift the collet up unlike the new One key impact that I have.
Mine worked great for like 8 months then started to have this issue as well. It also has a weird issue now when I pull the trigger the tool will do nothing with a charged battery. Only thing that will bring it back to life is switching the speed setting.
I just return my Milwaukee and went with ridged! Best move I made all year. Milwaukee fix ya shit! Try heat tempering the spring
Hey Vince I have 4 Dewalt 885s and have had to fix 2 collet issues over the 8 years of using them hard. What has happened on the Dewalt is the bearing tensioner spring tip has broken off due to many hard years of use. On the Dewalts the bearing springs upper end is bent in at a 90° angle at a length of about an 1/8th of an inch and that little bent tip sits under the bearing. When ive fixed both of mine ive simply bent another 90° tip on the end of the existing spring where the old end had broken off after 4 years of daily use. If the fix didnt work I was just going to order new springs from Dewalt but the fix has worked great for the past 3 or 4 years. You might try a Dewalt spring in your Milwaukee collet as from your vid everything else looks very similar. Im wondering if the U shape of that Milwaukee bearing spring causes some binding issue when under extreme vibration that makes it bind against the bearing chute walls preventing it from pushing the bearing back up. It would be interesting to know how other quick collet manufacturers springs look in comparison. If all the other manufacturers have springs like the Dewalt and dont have collet issues then that Milwaukee bearing spring might be the issue. Having so many different manufacturers at your fingertips you could check it out Vince. Really would like ya to get it figured out so Dewalt has No excuse to not bring out a better impact then the 887 UGH! My 885s arent going to last forever, or are they lol. 👍👍👍
Great tool shame that Milwaukee havent issued a modified spring FOC on demand . I was about to treat myself to a Gen 4 BUT having to resort to tweaking faulty springs does not impress me one bit .
I still use a standard drill, like the xph07 or milwaukee 2804 for drilling, i just havent seen any advantage to using an impact for paddle bits and drilling holes in general, drill chuck holds it good, and is faster than an impact when drilling, driving screws is a different story...
I think the drilling test the method U use to remove the bit is to heavy handed for any brand impact driver collet I think it letting go actually prevents any damage to the tool the material&the user...if u check that's it locked in there's no need to be so heavy let the bit do the cutting &safely remove from material by control of the trigger
the old 10+ yr old brushed M18 impact handles it fine and the gen 2 fuel handles it fine. This is one of them unforeseen problems problems that you might have got out of cheaper brands back in the day. I run allen screws and have the same issue when pulling up. Also dont forget that sometimes the collet just doesnt lock when switching bits.
Have you ever popped open the surge collet and compared it to the gen 3’s?
Vince that was a leatherman wave+ you were using to bend the spring right?
Most useful tool I own.
It’s a gerber suspension compadre. Have the same one. The leathermans are really nice though.
Well it was worth a try and it was definitely worth the video
Have you tried taking apart the collar of the surge and see if there’s a difference between that one and these? Also try swapping them out if possible?
where can you get spring and c clip if they go flying out?
ps i wasnt attempting to repair... this part flew at while i was using it to screw something down
Great video vin man , I saw your first video about this when I bought my drill driver kit. I noticed it had a single ball bearing and was a little sketchy so I use my drill for drilling my driver for driving. So so far so good . Thanks again for the heads up Vinny 👍👌
Hi Vince good vid but I think the person who suggested the fix is barking up the wrong tree. The issue isnt with that sping with the bend in it, it is the fact that the collet is stopping in such a place that the ball is still on the ramp on the inside and not on the flat. When pressure is applied by pulling on the bit, the ball forces the collet forward and hence disengages. The ball needs to sit on the flat at the top if the ramp i.e. further back on the tool.
Behind the second spring is a quite a fat flat washer which if it was slimmer would allow the collet to sit further back. I would have tried this but I think finding the right size washer would be a pain so I put the rear of the collet, not the knurled end, on to an angle grinder and took some material off. This now allows the collet to sit further back ensuring the ball can not force it forward to disengage.
If milwaukee wants to rectify this the cheapest option would probably be a thinner washer or the more expensive option is to reduce the length of the collet (try holding it up to the collet on the M12 impact and you will see a slight difference). Hope this helps.
p.s. please note if you are going to grind the rear of your collet, make sure you put a champfer on the inside edge so that it does not catch on the spring causing the same issue and bend the indent in the spring downwards with pliers.
Thanks for vid Vince. I never use my impact to drill so I think this will fix my issue of just putting in a bit to watch it sometimes go shooting down into the elevator pit cuz it just fell out.
There seems to be better tension now and I'll take that.
Appreciate all that you do.
They nailed it on their first GEN M18’s, That collar was perfect! And I do not mind having to pull it forward to insert a bit instead of the easy insert, I believe the first one was more reliable!
I used my Milwaukee surge for almost two years before the trigger started working intermittently. I continued to used it for another 6 months until I realized I still had one of the fuel impacts. After only a couple months of using that one, only for driving screws, my bit falls out just like in your videos.
Do you know if they have solved this problem yet? It's sad I love the Milwaukee tools but in under 2 years I've a lot of issues with them and with only one set of tools it's impractical to send tools off for a week or more to get them fixed.
Haven’t had a problem with mine yet. Drill on wood, but I do lubricate the collet with wd40, and I use the drill not the driver for paddle bits.
I just purchased a reconditioned one and it doesn't do this but I have been extremely nervous about it because I watched the previous videos after I already ordered the impact idk if they figured it out or I just got lucky...either way mine is retaining the bits as of now
Hi. You have two videos on fixing this (one on Jan 2, 2019). Which one works? Thanks,