Who Controlled Jerusalem the Longest?
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You could have done a top 5 and have room to spare 🥺
Hello i have a simmiliar request on Mecca and Medina, who hold those holy city for the longest time, i am curious about the famitid and the sharifian Dynasty rule on that city, the sharifian Dynasty or today the hashemite of Jordan has held that region since fatimid era and keep hold those city until the Ottoman era but as vassal , they have become vassal of the fatimid , ayyubid , mamalik , Abbasid( ayyubid and mamalik both were nominal vassal of abbasid) and the Ottoman z they being defeated by the Saudi Arabia like in your Asian monarch chart , o have to ask you because of the sectenarian tendency i have. Sorry for telling you this, but the salafi sect claimed the those two holy city always at their hand , yeah i have sectenarian intention but what they claim is very far from the truth , i cannot let this false claim
By explaining that Mecca and Medina plus Jerusalem wasn't in their hand you also have take part in undermine extrimism
who was Jerusalem gold construction. do you know?
@@youkurban can you rephrase that? I don't understand.
Mom said it's my turn to control Jerusalem
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I am suppose to have it when the Big three finally settle their Difference
@@thebandit0256 until the time comes!
LOL
OMG! Are you the Missiah?
I think you did great, let’s give Jerusalem to the Buddhist for a while ;)
WTF😂?
I agree then maybe the Hindu religion, or some Sikh dudes , hell even scientologists ? Then some aboriginal group. 👍🙏
Indian religions are not interested in your sacred and cursed place called Jerusalem😂
So then the Chinese get it?
Good idea! 🎉 But, what branch of Buddhism? Theravada, Mahayana or Vajrayana? 😁
This clearly shows that the rightful owner of Jerusalem is not Israel nor Palestine, but the Roman Empire
Italy: so me?
This video may be not 100% accurate, but so far give the comprehensive time line of jerusalem 👍
What's not accurate?
It's insane to think that the Mongols tried to fight for Jerusalem! Speaks volumes about how vast their empire and the reach was. Damn!
Even Further. the city would go to the crusaders. The Mongols were fighting for Egypt, probably all of North Africa was their final objective.
Only reason the Fatimids were separated was to hand the numbers 🤡
Can you imagine the logistics of a government from Mongolia(China) conquering and ruling Jerusalem?!?!
@@ktcarlit wasnt controlled from mongolia or china. it was indipendent warlords freedom to decide
They destroyed Iraq and most muslin countries
0:23 I always thought Jerusalem was the most besieged city in history, but it's actually Constantinople... 34 times
Watched Emperor Tigerstar talking about it too?
@@robertjarman3703 I don't remember where I learned it but yeah I think perhaps it was him
Don't forget Rome as well -it was besieged many times starting with the Gauls in 300 BC and then by many others like Hannibal then the Vandals and Goths/the Byzantines too/the Goths again and the worst occupation of the lot was in about 1517 when the armies of the Holy Roman Empire of Charles V who was fighting the pope is supposed to have wreaked more death and destruction than any of the ancient sieges and plundering.
Constantinople was Napolean's dream city and dream world capital. It is one hell of a city.
@@kaloarepo288 i doubt rome was besieged more than 30 times if even that much. Edit: probably not even close to 15 times
Archeologists: Every 2 feet you dig is another empire
THE KINGDOM OF JUDA AND JERUSALEMA,IN THE SOUTHERN KNIGDOM,AKA SOUTH AFRICA
Imagine being an archeologist or geologist studying jerusalem. Must be fascinating to have so much cultural change embedded in the ground/remains.
I visited, and what amazed me is the Roman architecture is actually some of the newer stuff. They have to dig through this to get to the pre Roman buildings. Truly a historic city.
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want.
Simple. Very simple.
It's not a thousands of years matter.
Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
It is a challenging place for archeology because of the sensitive politics and the religious demands that the public often tries to place on the practice of archeology. It also is famous for drawing lots of pseudoarcheology, as are al sites with any connection to the bible. Curiously, however, most of the pseudoarcheology is from a Christian POV.
Archaeologists been searching for salmon temple for years they don't find it till now . Either there is no salmon temple and it is just religious myths that have nothing to do with real history,
or they are searching in the wrong country. They should try to searche for salmon temple in Iran or Africa or yemeni
Jews were living in Israel since when Palestinians were living in caves
I'd love to see more of these city charts, maybe for places like Rome, Istanbul, or London. It's interesting to see how broader historical events can impact specific places.
Those cities have far fewer times that they change hands. Jerusalem was always on the periphery of larger empires so changed hands quite often. Those cities were the centres of empires.
@Dawood Aamir yes, it was always besieged, but the Romans always held it, only failing in 1204 and 1453. Istanbul didn't change hands that much.
London could be interesting between the Roman invasion up to the unification of England as it changed hands a few times during the Viking era.
However after that it’s not really worth continuing as it would always be a part of England/Great Britain.
factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual
It’s Constantinople.
It's amazing how important one city could be to so many people!
yes it is!
Meh
Constantinople is More important with much more sieges and alot of cool names
@@jeremias-serus israel is committing genocide on the palestinians
@@Spinozathecat lmao where . They still fighting for Jerusalem they not fighting for Istanbul
Let's fix it! it should be a Atheist Ohio controlled city. No religion allowed in the city. Why? Because YOU ALL WON'T PLAY NICELY. why ohio? because it's all ohio
Religion is not ethnicity. Many Jews were Arab and many Christians were Arab too.
but 99% of arabs are muslim
@@korkukokusu8311 LMAOOOOOOOOOO, when youre already a bigot, you dont need to fact check yourself. You make it up and believe it.
@@ai9862 :)
@@korkukokusu8311Lebanon was Christian and Arab 60 years ago.
@@Jackaljkljkl was.
Based on this presentation, Italy should administrate Jerusalem. Muslims can use the Dome on Friday, Jews on Saturday, and Christians on Sunday. Monday thru Thursday it is open to tourists.
lol u fool
Why?
What is your position base on.?
In islam, we pray 5 times a day and everyday, not only on fridays. ❤
@@TheEmpressWhohasitall and Jews pray 3 times every day, not only on Saturday.
@@kasurtipis2439 you tagged the wrong person 🙏🏼
Can you do a video on the various sects and schisms within Judaism? Especially the second temple period? Also, I would like to know the differences between the rabbinical Judaism and the Pharisees and where they differed in regards to theology (cuz we all know they that Rabbinical Judaism offshooted from the Pharisees Sect, but they weren't identical)
Rabbinical Judaism were the pharisees, at least that is what the texts they produced suggests. Their rival group was called the Sadducees...
Oooo! I wonder if Matt can talk about controversies caused by potential contradictions in the writings of the different authors.
On the top of my head, it's more of a Christian schism but it's Old Testament: I wonder if scholars believe Exodus 20:4 to be written by the same author(s) as let's say Exodus 25:18-22. Those seem to be the two most commonly talked about lines in the iconoclast/iconophile thingy.
After the Second temple period? It's called Christianity.
Sam Aranow has a lot of good videos on Jewish History, definitely covering that period.
You can ask the same about the various sects and schism within Islam? Which were even more varied and disparate during that entire timeline. Today the Arabs don't even acknowledge the Ottomans. So much so, turkish tv series Ertugal is NOT shown and/or banned in Arab nations. Lol
I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation on media. Well it should not surprise me. So many look at history since 1900s and don't understand the amount of conflict this land has had. This is an important video! Thank you
The middle east has been at war for thousands of years, but people think it's only been an issue since 1917
That sounds more like illinformation then disinformation.
Currently ILLEGALY OCCUPIED BY THE ZIONIST STATE. Jews lived there 1300 BCE, but that does not mean they can come now and colonize it! Imagine if descendants of Pharo come and say we want Egypt back, ancient Egypt was ours 2000+ years ago, and now I want my Egypt. INSANE. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS INSANITY
@@asemyamak3984 Jews were THERE TILL 636 CE. Only during / after Caliph Umar's invasion... the JEWS were totally driven out of their land. New Temple which was NEVER THERE before... was built on the same destroyed site of the Jewish Temple!!! Usurping somebody's land and religious sites!!
IF.... the Pharoh's happen to return and have the required POWER to reclaim their land... give it back... and return to where you belong...to the place from where you started conquering all the adjacent lands...... the Arabian Deserts!
Digest it and learn to coexist 'Salaam'fully.
@@asemyamak3984 Caliph Umar, Salaudin, Ottomans legally occupied that area?! 😂😂
It’s kinda funny how the nations that dominated Jerusalem the longest are in opposite order that the religions are in.
the whole graph has been green since 600 AD but the guy still manages to put the Romans and the Jews at the top of the ranking! intellectual dishonesty... the truth is that Jerusalem has been in a Muslim fold for 14 centuries, that is the truth
Sorry can you explain what that means?? Even though my English isn't that bad , i still couldn't understand it
@@bait5257 Of the 3 Abrahamic religions Judism is the oldest, Christianity came next, and Islam came last. The Muslims of Islam owned Jerusalem longer than the Christians, who owned it longer than the Jews. Basically, the younger religions had the holy land longer than the oldest
@@arandomlemon6707 thx for explaining 👍😊.
@@arandomlemon6707owned?
He made this a year ago, not knowing how applicable and essential it will be in Oct. Of 2023 👏👏 Bravo 🎉
The root cause of the wars is because of religious nutters, Muslims and Jews and Christians. NONE of them have ANY right to rule over a land, They are just religions. People who live there need to run the place, and their religious faith should stay in their homes, never brought into consideration in real life. The people that live there, come from many nations and cultures, they are multicultural, no religious cult gets to lord it over the next cult of religious nutters.
Yea it’s like dude had a feeling
Problem is its of prophecy in biblical scriptures Scrolls 📜 🤔 hmmm??
@@geedee7632 Which prophecy exactly are you referencing?
I mean, it wouldn't be that surprising if you told him a year ago that a conflict was going to start again between Israel and Palestine. It's sorta been on and off for the past 80 years.
Going into this video I kindof rolled my eyes at the thought of "yet another TH-cam video which would probably devolve into bias", but was pleasantly surprised to see nothing glossed over in early history and a fairly objective view of the whole matter. Well done!
Edit: Do not delve into the replies to my comment if you value your sanity. To the commenters, never change.
You clearly did not know the sheer level of quality regularly found on this channel then!
@@Nooticus Clearly I do not. I've seen a good number of their videos, but this topic in particular I have seen cause pitfalls in many history youtubers before.
@@SarudeDanstorm how would something like this devolve into bias
@@thegamingwolf5612 Depending on the author's bias, discussion on the ownership or the religion of the Levant usually glosses over the periods of time when it was under a religion they do not like - thus giving the respective periods far less attention and appearing to the audience as unimportant.
Not really, since it was under Israeli control it was mainly jewish but he made it only have jewish
I think that Greece Turkey Italy and Egypt should reclaim Jerusalem 😂😂
That's what I was thinking. Let's give it back to Egypt, they were there first (that's the usual argument these days isn't it) 😂
Egypt can't even run the Sinai Peninsula, as it's controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood and Isis/DaEsh
@@user-bw4jm1bv1i Egyptians (of the name-sake) don't even control Egypt anymore. If we got another pharaoh that could would be pretty cool though.
@@DanielGolding1337 so who are the people of Egypt?
THE KINGDOM OF JUDA AND JERUSALEMA,IN THE SOUTHERN KNIGDOM,AKA SOUTH AFRICA
Balian of Ibelin: What is Jerusalem worth?
Saladin: Nothing... Everything!
Long live muslim 🇵🇸
Israel above all 🇮🇱
It’s “nothing and everything”… referring to how it’s nothing to the Christians because they were prepared to burn it down rather than give it to the muslims. And how it’s everything for the muslims because they would rather die than see it burn.
@@ohadhoffman7078 keep barking
Jerusalem belongs to the Jews! I’m not even Jewish but it’s their city originally so why should Arabian Muslims get it when it was founded by Jews and Abraham of monotheism is originally a Jewish concept? Arabs are so envious of Jews it’s actually embarrassing.
I think it's really interesting that the city has been totally destroyed several times and also most of it's citizens killed, and still it's been rebuilt by new people over and over.
Anywhere humans have lived for thousands of years has seen wars and replacements of populations.
its citizens
It's just a really good location.
I imagine that's what happened to Troy.
Jesus said ''The citizens of Jerusalem will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. *Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles* until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled''. Luke 21:24. Recorded by Luke around 60 AD, before the destruction of Jerusalem.
I'm glad you counted the Byzantines as the Romans, because while the distinction is important, it'd feel disingeuous to call the direct continuation of the same empire a "different" owner
Edit: ware the replies, people here LOVE to pretend that romans aren't romans because their capital city moved
Well Latin and Greek is quite the difference. Different people, so how is the "owner" the same?
@@irdorath356
Well, Greek speaking Romans still consider themselves as Romans. They were the Roman Empire.
I guess it would be similar if English speaking Canada were to be conquered by someone but the French speaking area would remain being Canada and their inhabitants would keep feeling and being called Canadian.
@@tock02 Well, only the ruling elite had SOME Roman origin, not even all of them. As for the population, it genetically always remained Greek or Eastern or whatever.
@@irdorath356 the fact is that they referred to themselves as romans, continued every roman institution that was present, etc. it's not like someone came in and conquered the eastern half of the empire and proclaimed themselves romans, it was the same people, the rest of the mediterannean (and the persians, and arabs, and pretty much all subsequent muslims that battled them) considered them the romans as well, until it was more convenient to pretend they weren't romans so they could claim that lineage instead. Ethnicity and Nationality are two entirely different things.
@@bakubread9308 pretty much any Germanic tribe resettled on Roman territory called themselves Romans and adopted the Imperial lifestyle. Longbeards an Ostrogoths at least posessed the city of Rome, unlike the Byzantines.
No such thing as Palestinians since 1948 there is only Israel and 'Pre Mandate' Arabs who are from Egypt Jordan etc.
Correct yourself and dont fall for this Islamic lie.
Dude says "who do you think should control Jerusalem in the future? Comment below!". Can't wait to see how that turns out.
Why would he ask something so controversial? Considering that Jerusalem today already belongs in a country and an attempt to change that would definitely lead to war.
@@msicvbes4977 why not just seek the kingdom not of this world.
@@msicvbes4977 Well the Israeli too did just that, through war too.
Jerusalem will belong to Israel as long as Israel has USA as it's ally. You know, having a world superpower as an ally is a big deal.
@@pelinalwhitestrake3367 except Iran, no other neighboring country can seriously threaten Israel, whether it's allied to US or not
Problem:
1) Pharoah Merneptah recorded a victory over the Israelites in Cannaan in 1208 BCE. So they were already a well establish political entity in the area by the 13th C BCE, worthy of celebrating a victory over. Further, the Egyptians had no control over the Canaanite hill country and little along the plains after the death of Ramesses II, due in large part to the first waves of Sea Peoples assisting Egypt's enemies. Hence the need for his successor to launch a number of campaigns, eg Libya
2) The Israelites are genetically different (DNA Haplo Group T) to the Canaanites (Haplo Group J1). They are in turn different to the Philistines of Gaza (Sea Peoples / Peleset - Haplo Group I), who are different again to Arabs who came from Sinai (Haplo Group E1b1b), predominantly in the 7th C CE
3) You did not include the 'Judahite' control under the Maccabees / Hasmoneans?
4) Period of occupation is not a viable measure of claim. The indigenous (oldest surviving inhabitants) are the Jews, who can trace their heritage back 3,000 plus years
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Tell this to the americans😂
I disagree with the count of the control by religions, I find it inaccurate for the Arab Empire segment.
The period of Jerusalem under the Rashidiun till the 1st Crusade was still a mostly Christian city, although under Islamic rule. Jews were banned from the city under Roman law since the Bar Kochba revolt (other than in the brief Persian period), and so the city had a Christian population beforehand. When the Rashidiun conquered the city and the region in general, they did not replace or forcefully convert anyone, rather Jews and Christians ("Ahl al Qitab", people of the book) lived under a set of Islamic laws.
In general, after the Arab conquest of this region, the conversion of locals to Islam was particularly slow and not on large scale at all, unlike places such as Persia which converted almost in an instant.
Why media now tell Islam will force ppl to convert or kill them? Propaganda?
@@mustipunyaemail Probably people taking the Islamic State and thinking that they represent all of Islam, although to be fair it was Jews and Christians (and Zoroastrians?) who were not forced to convert, Pagans for example were definitely forced in some places...
There was no instant conversion in Persia either. First known mosque in Persia was dated to 10th century and until then and even afterwards for many decades, many people known to history from that area didn't have Arabic names. The Caliphates didn't really like when people converted to Islam because this lowered their tax revenue, conversion was mostly a very gradual process of intermingling and absorption.
@@postyoda1623 I really can't remember what was the name of the book but I have a memory of reading somewhere e that even untill the 10th century there were a ton of Zoroastrians in Persia, probably a majority
@@getreal3148 I think you may have "In God's Path" by Robert Hoyland in mind.
The question isn't who should control it. The question should be which religion lets the rest of the religions visit it without any problem. Hint, there is a single religion that calls to kill all who don't believe it, so I doubt they fit the criteria.
Which religion recognizes the three abrahamic religions? Two out of the religions are monotheistic. And, two of the three religions recognize the first and second coming of Jesus (PBUH). Did you get it?
Yeah you are right.... Christians historically prohibited the entry of Jews in jerusalem... while muslim during the time of Umar settled some jews in that city...
@@Az_Zubur_Theologianyes, only if they pay the special tax. Not totally free.
@@kevinng7462 yeah taxes... which muslims had to give more as compare to others
This is BY FAR THE BEST historical & factual presentation of the timeline of Jerusalem.
Love all your videos. Please continue your great work. Supporting from the South East Asia, Malaysia 🇲🇾
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I concur!
Only that is not factual. This info is misleading.
The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple.
Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time.
Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means.
Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
Jerusalem belongs to Philippines!
I think Israel should have complete control of Jerusalem. In Israel all religions have equal rights. Can’t say the same about the Islamic run nations ( I’m not a Jew FYI)
give it back to the Romans lmaoo
Based alert!
Three reasons why it belogns to Jews:
1) Jews are the only indigenous group still alive today and whose entire culture revolves around Jerusalem/Land of Israel.
2) They never left because they wanted to, but they were forced to. On the contrary they spent centuries trying to gain back control.
Jewish history is deeply shaped by the dichotomy "Jews in Israel vs Jews in exile".
3) Christianity and Islam both credit Jerusalem/Land of Israel belonging to Jews as a necessary pecursor for the existence of their own religions. Meaning: without the Jews, there would be no Christianity nor Islam.
Claiming only ONE group of people can live somewhere is arbitrary and strange.
Suck it. Ruled by islam for 90% of modern history.😜
@@ferrisferrisferrisferrisha3396
No one said that.
@@ferrisferrisferrisferrisha3396 thats true only the the most powerful decide those things.
@@ferrisferrisferrisferrisha3396 Sure, but claiming one group OWNS something, is completely legitimate.
So in other words, Israel/Jerusalem belongs neither to the Jews nor the Arabs, but to the descendants of the ancient Canaanites. Good to know!
The resnt palistinines Acording to dna test they have cannanite blood
The Canaanites are the Philistines. There are pagan religions before Islam and before the Abrahamic religions. For example, in my family there were idolaters, then Christians, then Muslims. Does this mean that I left my land, my homeland, just because I changed my religion?
@@nadashaker6037 That's not my point. The Jews use their ancient presence in the area as justification for taking over Israel and expelling the Arabs. My point is there was a presence in this area of the world even before the Jews got there, and they were the Canaanites. So if we're going to use ancient claims to justify modern ideology, then the only rightful heirs to Israel would be the Canaanites (or their descendants). I was trying to point out the utterly ridiculous notion of ancient claims to justify modern possession.
@CurtisCT The Jews know that they are not Canaanites, because it is written in the Torah: We killed the Canaanites, and the Hebrew language is the language of the Canaanites.
@@samiman5606It has nothing to do with genetics. Both Jews and Arabs from the region have Canaanite blood. It’s entirely cultural and political.
Free Palestine!
I think an interesting video to do would be "Who would be Caliph today?" following some of the main lines of successions: Ali's Dynasty through Hasan, Ali's Dynasty through Husayn and Musa al-kadhim, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Fatimids, and the Ottomans. Some of these would be pretty easy, but I think others would be extremely difficult, or at least interesting. Where'd the Abbasids go, and the Umayyads and Fatimids?
Will bro the caliph system in it's first days didn't have to do anything near blood line it was election conceal give a certain name and if people like ok if people didn't they go for another name will until the Umayyad came and they miss it up and make it blood related thing
This has a lot of potential
Harun Osman is the current head of the Ottoman dynasty. The other caliphates are more complicated because they weren't necessarily hereditary but were instead controlled by clans.
The Caliphate isn't hereditary, whoever the Muslim agree upon should be Caliph
The caliphate isn't a royal family or "kingdom" Ummah (practicing Muslims) will decide who will be the caliph.
Jerusalem rightfully belongs to the Filipinos.
Ah, a man of culture.
lol agreed
nope to the original hebrews (the negros)
Kind of pathetic that towards the end the author splits Israel with others because "there's a dispute", when the whole time, whoever controlled the city was counted -- whoever wins battles an conquers, is the one that controls -- there's no such thing as "disputed" -- Israel won and conquered... if they lose (again); they'll be out (again). Easy.
So british?
@@TaranTaranov your reaction seems to me pretty british and Lucca Matt , you are right : if taken on account any other piece of land, i.e. in Europe or America or Africa, your logic would examine you by A but the point is that in the development of people´s mind the city called Jerusalem has a totaly different status, that is why we deal here with world sensitivness to that place, not only Israeli (Jewish and Christian Jewish) and Palestinian ( Muslim plus Arab Christian).
This is great video enlightening the history of Jerusalem in an objective way! Many thanks.
You didn't catch the narrator contradicting himself between about 4:20 - 4:35?
@@earlysda How so? He said the story is literally false but may have been inspired by real events. Are you fluent in english?
@@TitaniusAnglesmithAnglesmith, "There not too much we can know about this city between the years 2000 and 1000BCE...The only thing that be safely assumed about this period is that the city was likely under the control of the Egyptian new kingdom...because we know that the Egyptians controlled most of the Levant during those years."
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Thus, he contradicts himself.
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Then he gleefully talks about how that basically negates what the Holy Bible says.
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He needs to repent of his denigration of the holy words of God, and refrain from contradicting himself in the future.
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@@earlysda None of that is a contradiction. The bible is wrong. Might want to look up the dictionary definition of the word, but seeing as you presumably think the bible is accurate, a book with truth in it must be witchery.
@@earlysda obviously you are no less delusional, but you are correct in saying that he contradicted himself by creating the arbitrary start of control of the land with the Judahites. The Egyptians reigned and there were likely a number of civilizations inhabiting in the thousands of years prior. History has clearly been tampered with by the religions of past and present (including the scientific religion)
Claims over the city by adherents of a religion (there are three here) imply a need for exclusivity, when in fact this is a city that is important to all three religions, and one would hope that each would respect the others' historical and cultural ties to the city. It is clear that all would benefit from a peaceful sharing arrangement.
It would be a lot easier if all 3 faiths required that the other faiths be incorrect.
The difference between us Christians and Muslims is that Muslims want to appropriate a city, stealing its history and roots from the city itself. The evidence is that no Muslim has ever called this city "Jerusalem", its real name, but they call it Al-Quds. We Christians call it Jerusalem because we don't claim its ownership. It's not ours. It's a place where our Gospels took place,...nothing else...but Christianity is in the hearts of Christians ...not in a city...that's why the apostles went throughout Greece, Italy to evangelize.
Wow I bet they never thought of a sharing agreement🤯
@@jacobn2461 Of course that proposal has been raised. But it would take an act of political courage and complete trust to make it happen, something that seems to be lacking by all parties.
They are doing that right now….
Very cool chart, and interesting to see the history of the city! I was surprised by the final count.
Have you considered doing any videos on the Cossacks? I know the eastern regions of Ukraine have changed hands a bit (and of course, a lot of stuff about that recently).
Seconded, very interesting topic.
Delhi
Cool video, thanks for creating it!
So we give it back to the Romans, problem solved
It's wild how relevant this video has become and honestly important with all the misinformation being spread on Social Media. You do important work in this case you could say "Gods Work". Thank you.
can you tell me what kind of "all the misinformation being spread on Social Media. " ?
@@skarhabekgreyrukh8601 I won't waste my time because your question alone tells me you gobble that shit up with a spoon.
@ADSHYN the misinformation that Jerusalem belongs and should belong to palestinian colonizers, which is false.
Even more so if we are talking about gazans, who were never in Jerusalem, and were not for thousands of years.
@bwolos when are yall gonna realize that both Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to the area? Just fucking stop killing each other, live next to each other as neighbors, peacefully. I know that's idealistic and unrealistic of me to want, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why it's such a radical and unlikely idea/ outcome
@@bwolosneither were zionists but you ain't complaining about that now are you?! The notion that one is entitled to a land based on the presumed devine is inherently racist and suggests superiority which goes against every single virtue of judaism. And if anything disgracing the religion. Zionists are the colonizers not the palestinians
Many sources for late Ottoman period show Christians as second biggest group, behind either Jews or Muslims, depending on the exact year and the source. If you don't attribute this period to a single group, it would make more sense to split it three-way, instead of just two
If they could just be secular it wouldn’t matter, you wouldn’t have to scheme up how to split a city and it’s people apart.
@@Freshbott2 thanks captain obvious
@@Freshbott2 Jews are generally secular.. about 30% religious.. but of course, many religious Jews prefer living in Jerusalem.
Palestinians Muslims are almost entirely religious, with more than 90%.. and with Christians more than 95%
But it's a nice dream having an all secular world.. the world is still mostly religious.. probably your country too, just by pure probability.
@@Jack-lb1hn not really. Christianity was born in Jerusalem, sure, but since the 600s, there has never been a Christian majority in Jerusalem until maybe the early periods of British colonialism. Islam and Judaism both have claims to the city (although I personally believe the Jewish one is stronger), but almost everyone agrees that if there is a single rightful governance of Jerusalem, it is not Christian. The Vatican, the centre of Christianity, even recognises both israel and Palestine as sovereign nations, essentially forfeiting their claim to Jerusalem, thus making complete inclusion of the religious base in this video unnecessary.
@@Jack-lb1hn you haven’t provided any valid arguments yet. Why is it the only solution? Why is their claim valid? I’m waiting.
I believe you waisted your time and my time to illustrate history that mostly inaccurate and based on one side. remember people write history based on their bias. i am surprised you added the many kingdoms related to Israel to reflect a larger number, while you divided the several kingdoms of Muslims, funny. my friend, kingdoms change, religions change but inhabitants stay. by the way, Jews is not referenced to Juda, it is the other way around.
Who does Jerusalem belong to?
1) If we accept that land belongs to the first settlers, then it belongs to the Canaaites.
2) The reality of mankind is that whoever has the power to invade, controls the land. This is true throughout all of history. Today, the Israelis control Israel, so it's their land.
3) If we are honest, the land belongs to God. And he determines who controls his land. And to be honest, God's land belongs to God's chosen people: the Israelites.
4) the made up Palestine has no right to Israel
If you points contradict each other then you have no argument.
1 Palestinians have more Canaanite DNA
2 If Palestinians took everything tomorrow you would make the opposite claim.
3 Both sides claim it is gods land and that they are the true emissaries of god.
4 Are you claiming Palestinian Jews did not exist in the British controlled "Palestine"
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Amazing lesson, you are doing an incredible job educating people.
This is fairly well reasoned from a Judeo-Christian perspective. Sadly, you tip-tap and waltz through facts. I would never preach this to my congregants; it would be embarrassing to cut the Philistines out of the narrative like you did. I'm going to watch the rest of this but I don't think you can recover and save your historical or religious narrative. I am disappointed.
The Philistines are all gone, none are left. Atleast no true Philistines.
You neglected a key historical event where Jews were exiled from Israel
Facts
The exile was not a single event but waves of people were taken away, and even at that not all the Jews were taken.
@@amergrant-ns5cr facts
That was actually a very good summary of the history of Jerusalem for an outsider like myself. Lots of information in a short and concise narrative. Thanks very much. I will have to look at what you have to say for other cities/nations in the region including Egypt which has a similar story to tell.
Most every region has a history of conquest and migration for various reasons.
No it wasn't! It was pure propaganda trying to justify a "two state" "SOLUTION" what a disgusting word choice. What we see is some maybe archeological vague evidence of a people group named Judahites maybe controlled the land for 400 years some 2500 years ago and therefore have equal claim to it as the people who have been there steadily for some 1300 years? Unless you are ready to move out of your home and return it to the people who lived there 2500 years ago you'd better wake up and think this bullshit through. This is pure mind fuckery.
I saw this video a year ago and found it so informative that I’m watching again.
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@@DelbertCook-zp4uv sooooo funny...
This is the right time to share this video with the public
so that we know its the israelis land?
For some reason he didn't make the Fatimids part of the Arab Empire, though they were arabs. Adding them to the Arab Empire gives it 463 years to Arab political control, making it the 2nd longest political control, under the romans and above the israelites.
well, regardless the modern day israelis and palestinians are basically the same people lol. @@Vichikuma
@@tace_nomercy9274 Israelites are european, so no.
@@Vichikumano they are not. There are European Jews there as well but some Jews were already there. Palestinian Arabs are from Egypt and Jordan. They literally share the exact same DNA
It should be a Buddhist city.
No please no idols in the holy city❤
@@Omarrah3214nah man Buddhism would be fucking sick
Jerusalem is a terrible place. I visited as a pilgrim but instead of feeling closer to god all I felt was hopelessness for Mankind. You can feel the animosity on every street. The blood spilt in an effort to control that city 🤯.
By who primarily?
As an ex Muslim, I found Santiago de Compostela to be spiritually uplifting
I’ve been twice and it was great, don’t know when you went??
So what you felt is the absence of God but that felling is also important
What? It's a beautiful city. I call BS.
Extremely good lecture, clear & comprehensive, made complex history easy to understand
Except that he contradicted himself.
It's not too accurate, I made a comment about some discrepencies.
This info is misleading.
The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple.
Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time.
Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means.
Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
You are on the right track. Phoenician, Aramaic, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic, and a lot of other languages were derived from an ancient language called Proto Semitic. The Canaanites, who were never united and included all the peoples displaced by the Israelites, also spoke Semitic languages. Apparently, Hebrew and Arabic developed as spoken languages about the same time, each confined to its own region. However, Hebrew became a written language almost immediately, and Arabic didn't. Arabic only became a written language when oral tradition failed Islam and something was needed to write the Quran in.
The Phoenicians were trading people with principal cities Tyre and Sidon, and later Carthage in North Africa.
The Philistines were originally not local. They were originally one of the nine sea peoples, probably from Crete, who the Egyptians recorded defeating. They disappeared completely when, like the Israelites, Nebucadnezor hauled their survivors off to Babylon, only the Philistines didn't come back. Naturally, there was intermarriage and cultural mixture between all these peoples. The Israelites varied between tolerance, peace, and genocide towards the various Canaanite tribes. Were always at war with or fighting to end occupation by the Philistines. They were usually at peace with and sometimes allies of the Phoenicians. The status with the Aramaans ( Syria) seems to have changed with every change of ruler by either one.
The Judeans were taken to Babylon speaking Hebrew and returned speaking an Aramaic dialect but retaining Hebrew for religious purposes. The Samaritans were foreigners speaking many languages and worshiping many idols brought in by the Assirians to replace the ten lost tribes. They adopted their own dialect of Aramaic and a twisted form of Judaism.
Then came the "Greeks" and at the time of Christ, the area was bilingual. Coine Greek and Aramaic, with many also knowing Latin or Hebrew.
Arabic only showed up with Muslim conquest, as you said.
@@asafheller5720 iirc jebusites weren't even judaic. I hate how he considers the pre-council/pre-torah judaism as judaism, it's like saying Islam and Christianity are Judaism because they have the same basis. He also blatantly ignores how egypt was the one country to not fall in the bronze age collapse and had records that they won and held onto that region. There's tons of minor inconsistencies too.
Great video!
However I think it's important to point out that:
1. The Jews were the only people to have Jerusalem as the capital of a sovereign indigenous state. All the others ruled it as a province with the capital elsewhere.
2. Jerusalem is the center of Jewish religious life, unlike Islam (the center is Mecca, and Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran)
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As far as I remember, it is mentioned in Quran, but not directly by name. The closest is by the name of Al-Aqsa mosque and in other places, by 'the city' or 'the place' etc.
@@shkhamd Isn’t Jerusalem important to Islam just because internal politics? (“Those two got in a fight, one expelled the other, so the other says: from now on jerusalem is holy” because that’s where he went, or something like that) Could you elaborate?
Jerusalem will be a Christian city once more.
I totally agree on that. Jerusalem started its history as the center of the jews and their religion. The muslims did keep the city under control for centuries, but it was more like a conquest rather than a righteous possession by its indigenous people.
Also, as much as I love this chanel, I have to admit that openly raising the question about who should control the city in the future was a controversial and unnecessary move, considering that the city officially belongs in a country today. The question underminds the right of a state to have control over its capital.
@@msicvbes4977 I agree with that last portion. It felt so out of place that I rewound the video to check if I heard it right. Generaly content creators try to discourage controversial topics in the comments (for obvious reasons). Still, given the subject of the video, the comments would lean towards this discussion one way or another.
The question is did the Canaanites people even left? I believe they are the same people as modern population, there was no great replacement as some people imply
If that historical timeline has proven anything it's that military power decides the legitimacy of claim to dominion not only of Jerusalem but any plot of land.
The jewish state of Israel currently holds dominion over it because they have the military strength to assert that claim. The Palestinians disputing it doesn't mean anything because they don't have the military strength to invalidate Israels claim.
Might may not make right but it certainly does decide who makes the rules in the real world.
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What logic is that? so what about WW2? Germany had the power, why did the world fight them? and what about Russia and Ukraine? if Russia have the military power that give them the right to occupy Ukraine?
When Christians occupied it, they killed both Muslims and Jews, and when Jews occupied it they killed and still killing Muslim and Christians, but when Muslim took it they did not kill anyone, and you can read about Umar the 2nd Khalifa and Salahuddin.
@@amjadabdullah1878false, look at the chart right here, Islam was invented by zealots in the 600s ad, Judaism was invented by fertile crescent farmers on 3000 or so BC, so how did Islam spread so far and wide? Murder, Slaughter, Conversion by sword, exile of Jews and Christians, Exile of Seculars which were often slashed to bits during the 700-1500 ad periods. 800 years of mass slaughter and 1600-today was rife with Exile and Murder of Apostates. You are a joke and thankfully hold no power in the west.
@amjadabdullah1878 get your facts straight. The muslims who took Jerusalem from the christian crusaders did so by killing them.
In the past 150 years, muslims have killed numerous jews in the city, not to mention the country as a whole. It is only when jews defend themselves that the arabs cry that they're the victims.
Only yesterday a boarder-policewoman was killed by a Palestinian attacker.
These attacks have been happening every once in a while for god knows how many years. In the '90s there were palestinian suicide bombers blowing up busses. The list goes on and on.
My wife's grandfather witnessed his grandmother being killed in an ally in the old city of Jerusalem when he was a young boy sometime in the 1920s.
So don't just chant slogans. Look for the facts and seek the truth.
@@amjadabdullah1878That was not the claim the poster was arguing for. He did not state that military force makes someone right, but rather effective military strength determines who occupies what set of lands.
Germany did not have the effective military strength to maintain and conquer The USSR and the other Allies. Russia does not have the necessary military strength to occupy all of Ukraine.
The poster is not claiming might is right; they are simply stating an observation that might is involved in occupation.
Tbh since you put emphasis on Jewish population during Ottoman times I think you should have mentioned Christian majority population during Muslim times since I am pretty sure it took some time for Islam to become the dominant religion of the city.
I thought the same, Muslim rulers didn't like Islamic conversation because of lower Jizya tax.
Yh he completely disregarded Jewish and Christian populations in some of the Muslim era but added Arabs in the modern era, he also forgot to add 111 years to the Jews when he talked about the Jews ruling for another 111 years, this video is far from non-bias.
@@EL-oj6uq well he is a jewish !
@@E001-f8g So? Berny Sanders is a jew and he has a deep hatred towards Israel
this guy hates christianity and loves islam because the denounce Jesus
Don't let the Palestinians see this
The Canaanite and Egyptian years should have been added to the list.
Also it is disputed when Judaism as a monotheistic religion emerged.
Therefore the "paganism" number should be the highest.
I think we pagans should take back one of our holy cities.
Jerusalem is Albania💪🇦🇱
I'm glad you didn't treat it as a competition to control the city longest. Your conclusion made a lot of sense!
The analysis was fantastic and completely unbiased. On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to? Should the Romans or Italians be put back in control? Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history with the biggest failure of all time being the Treaty of Versailles that tried this exact same thing and has caused ten of millions of deaths. Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance. The Palestinians have no claim to the land and why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.
“Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history…”
I agree with this, but you then contradict yourself by saying the Palestinians have no claim to the land. How does that make sense? Who *does* have a claim to the land? The vast majority of Israelis are descended from Europeans who colonized Israel after WW2. The Palestinians are not. Who do you think has a “claim” on the land if you think that:
1. “Treaties that create historical nations fail miserably”… and:
2. “The Palestinians have no claim on the land”
It seems you don’t think either should live in the Levant??
“Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance.” Well, apparently you should considering you stated that treaties that attempt to re-create historical states “have failed miserably.”
“why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.” What? Why? Why would a foreign country give people of another country land?? How does that make any sense? It isn’t the fault of those nations that the West Bank (the majority of de jure Palestinian territory) has been illegaly occupied by Israel since 1967.
“On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to?“ Well, we don’t have to answer that as it was decided in 1948. If our predecessors had gone about the creation of the modern state of Israel in a competent way then the situation in the region might not be so turbulent. Although, extreme zionism and Israeli colonization of Palestine as well as Islamic terrorism also deserve much of the blame.
Calling the land of Israel and Palestine “a tiny strip of land of really no importance“ severely downplays the religious and cultural importance the area has had for followers of Abrahamic religions for millennia.
Judaism + Islam = good, can co-exist peacefully
Zionism, colonization + Islamic terrorism = bad, will cause unending warfare
@@Bubba___ I dunno, isn't the area trending towards peaceful? That is what it looks like to me. Maybe not in the 1000 year perspective, but looking at the last 75 it seems to cool down.
@@davidwebber8454the Canaanites, Philistines and the first Arab tribes who lived there centuries before prophet 1braham even born and moved to it whom modern Palestinians are the decedents so ur claims are false only ppl who have the right to claim this land are the modern Palestinians livin there for centuries who are mvslims, J3ws and Chr1stians who are the decedents of th0s3 Canaanites and 2 tribes of ppl m0vin there I mentioned not the European j3ws who's ancestors are European k1cked from their countries and f0rcibly st3alin their land and that's the only truth here
@@rihamashraf4493which first Arab tribe are you talking about? From which history book?
What I learned today… Jerusalem belongs to Italians
How!? it belongs to the Arabs 🇸🇦🕋
@@Mo-hi9hw hey man they gonna win it back soon. Birthright. Also how bad is your grammar that you had to edit your comment it’s six words dog 😂. Respond once you’re able to read at a fifth grade level buster.
There is no valid excuse to why the Canaanite Period is being ignored in the counting!
Yes there is. It was clearly explained that Israelites likely emerged from Canaanites.
Total bullshitz... its not about religion ..the major holder was Judahites ...as they have had a part and maintained their rightful presence in the land continual since before 1000 bc ..no matter the romans or the Arabs or the ottomans. While all others changed ..the Judahites or jews ..maintained their presence in one form or another. Always.
0:51 might as well add - Christian city?😮
Before even watching this video im super excited to see this put together by you! Im reading through the Hebrew Bible and sometimes have a hard time keeping track of all the kings names, especially when they were renamed by other kings.
How many of these rulers though actually used Jerusalem as the CAPITOL of their state? As far as I know there's historically only been two: The (jewish) kingdom of Judah and the (christian crusader) kingdom of Jerusalem. The muslim and pagan rulers never used Jerusalem as the capitol city of their states.
In general, applying the modern concept on capitals to states up to (and sometimes beyond, depending on region) the Middle Ages is very flaky. Some empires had very clear centers of power, others had itinerant courts, etc.
And how do you deal with things like de facto vs de jure administration? If King John of X goes to war and leaves his brother Duke Jeff of Y as his regent, is the capital X because that's the king's seat or power or does it temporarily move to Y because that's where the current administrator lives?
I see what you're saying but historically speaking it's very hard to attribute our modern understanding of Capital cities to imperial and colonial history. It was very common to have a royal centre, religious centre, economic centre (usually a port), and back-up centres for rulers and royals which were treated with the same importance. Although Jerusalem wasn't a centre for muslim and pagan rulers, the fact they expended this much military and economic energy on capturing and defending Jerusalem sort of shows that it's always been an important centre for any empire / group looking to have it.
Give it back to Rome!
One state solution with secular governance and full rights to all citizens.
Yassss queen
This is an excellent video and chart. I set out to do something like this just for myself, but paper and pencil aren't as beautiful to look at. I especially appreciated your attention to detail in the 7th century. It is a period I did a deep dive into for a sabbatical study. I think you're assertion that in the 19th century to the end of the Ottoman period "there was only a small Christian minority" is not quite right. The population numbers for that period come primarily from estimates made by various individuals and religious organizations. In those estimates, the number of Christians is usually close to the second ranking group, which in some estimates are Muslims, in others Jews. The Ottoman census from 1914 (which we might regard as an official number) has 18,190 Jews, 70,270 Muslims, and 32,461 Christians. Now, that is for the whole Jerusalem "Kaza" or "district", but it shows that the presence of Christinas is more than "a small minority". It might have been more accurate to count 30% for Christians, and then divide the rest evenly among Muslims and Jews. Of course, in the count over thousands of years, it doesn't matter much that you've not factored in the Christians, but at the human level of acknowledging the presence of people (not erasing people from history), it is worthy of note.
That does not fit the islamic agenda. they hope to erase every group from history. look at modern day Turkey and the Armenian genocide.
I find this a good point. By this logic we'll have to add at least 10-50% Jewish presence over the last 3000 years since the Jews never left Jerusalem (that would be not done for their religious reasons) and might add around (0,5+0,1)/2×3000 = 450 years. In any way this video should choose, is it about control or (percentage of) presence or status in international law, cuz it sometimes switches it up randomly.
It probably included Bethlehem which used to be a primarily Christian city before the PA took over.
He has bias for Muslims that's all, he's mention that Christians kill all in the city but forgot to mention this was practice of all religions that time. Also he's counting of latest years under Israeli state to Muslim show his bias, if he count last years to Muslim and Jewish he should maintain same standard and count all years for Jews to and this outcome will give Jews 1000 years advantage.
@@E2Dima But we probably cannot know how many of them converted to Islam. Which did happen.
Absolutely excellent video as always! I'm very much looking forward to visiting this great city again in August, B"H, a city that feels very special and magical but yet in some way also terrifying at the same time!
Jerusalem was the one and only city for Jews. Muslims didn't historically hold Jerusalem in high regard; this comparison is meaningless. It was simply a city with a mosque in their domain, not elevated above cities like Amman or Damascus. For Muslims, the primary holy cities were always Mecca and Medina. The third holiest city is Najaf in Iraq, where the founder of Shiism, Ali bin Abi-Talib, and many scholars are buried. Only after the Khomeini coup in 1979 did Shiites (Iranians) prioritize Jerusalem to avoid accusations of leaning towards Zionism from Sunnis. The struggle for Jerusalem is fundamentally a theological one, stemming from Muslims' failure to recognize their past and the religious rights of other faiths, which Islam considers nullified from the world
I don't think you know anything about Islamic history, not to mention lecturing Muslims about their past. But here are three facts about Jerusalem for the unfortunate who may stumble across your comment:
1/Jerusalem was a holy city for Muslims BEFORE Mecca and Medina, as they prayed toward Jerusalem initially before switching to Mecca.
2/ Al-Aqsa mosque is the third most revered mosque in Islam according to a Prophetic tradition recorded in books of hadiths more than 1000 years ago.
3/ There's a Qur'anic story of the Prophet Mohammad making a celestial journey from Mecca theough Jerusalem to heavens.
So Jerusalem is holier to Muslims than Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo and any other city except for Mecca and Medika.
@@magatouve and in case the link won't work in the future, here's more details, and please research this topic yourself, that the only way you believe any of it and learn:
Ancient Islamic sources state that the al-Aqsa ("Far Away") mosque, mentioned once in the Quran, was one of two mosques located near a village in the Arabian Peninsula (now Saudi Arabia) called Al-Ji'rana, between the cities of Mecca and Taif. The mosque closest to the village is called 'Al-Masjid Al-Adna' - 'The Near Mosque', while the other, further away, is called 'Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa' - 'The Far Mosque'. This is the 'Al-Aqsa Mosque' mentioned in the Quran in chapter 17, which describes the myth of Muhammad's night journey from the "Holy Mosque" in Mecca to the "Far Mosque" in Al-Ji'rana.
Fifty years after Muhammad's death, in 682 AD, Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, who was the thug of Mecca, rebelled against the Umayyad dynasty that ruled Damascus. He closed the roads and prevented the people of Damascus from coming to Hajj in Mecca. Having no choice, they chose Jerusalem as an alternative place for the Hajj, which is one of the five basic commandments in Islam. To justify their choice of Jerusalem, they invented the lie that the Al-Aqsa Mosque mentioned in the Quran is not located in Al-Ji'rana but in Jerusalem, and linked to it the Quranic myth about Muhammad's night journey to the 'Al-Aqsa Mosque' mentioned in the Quran. Hence, the concept in Sunni Islam that Jerusalem is the third holiest place.
The Shia, persecuted to the neck by the Umayyads, did not accept the lie of the sanctity of Jerusalem, and for them, the third most holy city is Najaf in Iraq, where the founder of Shia, Ali bin Abi-Talib, and many of its scholars are buried. Only after the Khomeini coup in 1979 did the Shiites - mainly the Iranians and Hezbollah - put Jerusalem at the top of their list, so that Sunnis would not accuse them of leaning towards Zionism.
@@TimorBlindsideBreakdown All the events you described happened within the 1st century of Islam. Assuming all true, it would still mean that the sanctity of Jerusalem as the third holiest city was already settled in the first century of Islam. In your first comment, you wrote literally that Muslims historically didn't hold Jerusalem in high regard. Well, they held it in high regard for 1400 years - 100 = 1300 years. And whether the Aqsa mosque is one near Mecca or in Jerusalem is a matter of interpretation/belief not scientific facts. So there's no truth/lies to this question. Finally, there was no distinct Sunni/Shi'a identity during the Umayyad period, and Najaf as a holy site for Shi'a didn't emerge before a century later during the Abbasid period.
Great video. My late Father said decades ago that it's good that Jerusalem has a wall, because it should be filled with concrete to stop people fighting over it. Given recent events, I think they will fight over the concrete...
Funny,
Let's take another example. the city of LHASA in TIBET,
Originaly a Tibetan population, with a buddhist religion.
Now, suppose China supplants the original population with Chinese rule and Chinese Han population for the next 400 years, starting at 1950.
Suppose then the Indians take over and establish a Hindu religion and send Indians over for a couple of centuries.
Suppose after another 100 years the Dalai Lama and Tibetans return from exile and capture Lhasa,
and restores the buddhist monastery.
China objects, India objects, Russia objects, only the USA and Israel supports them, and the Tibetans won't give up their claims to their national homeland !
"It's ours again !", they say.
Help !
The Chinese and the Indians attack Tibetans, try to drive them from their homeland. Whose land is it ?
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It would belong to whoever won the resulting war.
The only reason the state of Israel even exists, is because 19th century European Jews formed a Zionist movement that eventually succeeded in getting the support of a wealthy diaspora followed by mass land purchase/immigration, and the support of the superpowers and UN for a Jewish home. Following which they were able to win the war of 1947 and every war they've fought ever since. To the victors go the spoils, so to speak.
In what universe does somewhere deliberately colonised by China or India (except each other) for 400 years not become culturally Chinese or Indian to the point they want to be unified with them?
China and India are big for a reason.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana its like the region north of Brazil that chose to stick with France post colonisation. The land wasn't given back to anyone as the local population see themselves more connected with France than anyone else.
Indian never invade
AMERICANS:
Imagine that an American Indian came to your property, dug around until he found an arrowhead, then declared: "This means your home belongs to ME."
Thats a bad allegory if you are referering to the jewish state. I think some proper education is in order.
@@whatwhat3432523 The problem is not jewish people. The problem is Illegal non semitic immigrants from eastern European colonisation land of Arabia. Jews indeed needed a jewish state NOT in middle east, but demanded in Germany where they were persecuted. What Europeans did is just transfer the responsibility and guilt onto the hands of those who weren't guilty.
Israeli are way less Semitic and more European.
If DNA test is the decider, then Palestine shall be embraced.
If longest rule is the decider, then Palestine shall be embraced.
Let Italy take control of Jerusalem. lol
Very interesting. I am sure it will become even more complicated the deeper you go into the historical archives and facts. I also think the same complexity applies to just about any major city in Europe and Middle East. With our world becoming increasingly mixed and integrated, it feels like the fights about who can claim what is becoming more obsolete every day.
Yes, exactly! Europe for example has had so much conquering and re-conquering of land over centuries. We can't get hung up on the past. Let the past inform the future, but release attachments to it and move on for a more peaceful future. Easier said than done, of course. Humans tend to hold grudges and maintain a competitive nature overall.
Europe as well as the region referred to as Israel, today.
That land has exchanged governing authorities many times. It has been conquered over and over again. After the Israelites were taken into exile by Babylon they NEVER regain authority over the land. They were only allowed to reside in the land if they chose.
That's why I think it's utterly ridiculous to claim DNA markers prevalent in an area or region means you can without error or any doubt link people having those markers to ONE SPECIFIC group of people, ancient Israel. How? The land passed through so many hands and was settled by many different nationalities.
Seems pretty clear it was a place of Jews first.
@@skaetur1 Not really, because:
1) In the video is explicitly stated that the origins are unclear and that the Jews came/developed at some later stage.
2) Regardless, they have been conquered several times for very long periods of times by various other nations, in which case you effectively loose any rights to claim a place (if you can't hold it, you loose it). Just search and look into the concept of "Right of conquest"
Also, my point is that the concept of nationalities have become so eroded with cultural mixing that no single person can really claim anymore that they are "pure" A or B or C or whatever. So, if you say place X belongs to A, then who do you actually include? It's almost impossible to draw a line these days. Genetically we are becoming more and more mixed each passing day. I am myself a mix of English, Dutch and German (and more)... So, if I could claim any land based on nationality,, where would it be??
imagine thinking ownership of Jerusalem was what this was all about and not the 20th-important question it is in reality.
also, Western Ukes had (everything east of Lviv) for only, like, 30 years.
I'm not a Jew but you have to be very biased to claim that Jerusalem isn't a Jewish city IMHO. The city was built and established by the Jews, just because it has been conquered by different empires again and again doesn't give claim to the city to them
He's literally Jewish.
Madridwas built and established by Arabs, the name Madrid itself is an Arabic word. 1000$ says you won't be calling Madrid or any other city Spain for that matter Arabic
@@azmainfarhin5047 that's a good point actually but I think jews have a way deeper history with Jerusalem than Arabs with Spain and its difficult to deny that. I doubt that the Christians really managed to take a majority in the city untill the 4th or 5th century and just like with the Muslims in the 7th 8th and 9th centuries
@@getreal3148 looks like you shouldn’t be the one lecturing others about bias thats for sure
I think it’s Jewish > they kept their culture , religion , way of life ,money ,clothing n food > remain the sabe there is a continuity’s tradition < they kept their faith and they are the same people speaking their own language . Israel was invaded and conquered but they still kept their language n their religion > just like the ancient Greeks , thre Indians n Chinese. These people have a long history and traditions n didn’t convert to foreign language or religion > since the Jews have to complete their return to the promised land Because God give it to their inheritance > the correct owners are the Jews if you have a problem then u need to answer to god .) the Jews have to complete the prophecy > the Muslim and the whole world is preventing them to complete their job
There was no Byzantine state until well after the take-over of Constantinople by the Ottomans, when German historians renamed it to “Byzantium” ex post facto, to make their Holy Roman Empire as the only Roman Empire of that time (from 476 to 1453, when its capital fell). While they spoke Greek rather than Latin, the land and people were called Roman, spelled something like “Rhomanoi“, and the people continued to use that name until years after the Greeks got their Independence from the Ottomans and began reusing the ancient name of Hellas and the Hellenes. In short, it is the Romans or the Rhomanoi, not the Byzantines.
Greek lies. How can you be roman if you don't control the city of Rome. Plus Rome it self considered the Greeks illegitimate and their pagan religion
Byzantine is used semantically in English to understand and conceptualise a certain timeframe and Greek dominated area. Its well understood and used for Common history. 90% of people know it wasn't called that along with 99% of names you've learnt about historical national are ones we made up. Lol.
Short version: it's fine
@@varkr2066 Yes we call it Byzantine after the old colony name of the city that became constantinople. I'd be interested to know how the caliphates referred to themselves.
I piss on the Holy roman empire
Holy Roman Empire is such a Joke, it wasn't Holy it wasn't Roman it wasn't even an empire for most of the time.
Jerusalem; the only city where the controlling nation is told to share its Government with those trying to destroy it that same nation and people.
We dont say it about Constantinople/Istanbul but the same basic argument could be made.
I think it is time to ask God to whom Jerusalem belongs.
It's never been tried before.
But which one...? Whould be the new 2000 year debate... So I guess that won't be a solution either.
God: it belong to atheism
Be real
@@usernameaeaeaea and atheists don't want to. 😂
With all the fighting over ut, it's more of a cursed land than a holy one
Many people deny the entire pre-ottoman history.
I think this is one of the most objective point of view that can be referenced about Jerusalem conflict of control
Did you miss the part where he contradicted himself around 4:30?
@@earlysda I didn't, but at least this video is more objective than others. Most information about Israel-Palestinian tend to be extremely biased
@@Zain-gf4mfits essentially impossible to find information that isnt skewed by propaganda or bias since the war started so i agree
@earlysda He's wrong, there's a good explanation with archeological basis that they crossed the sea to what is modern day Saudi Arabia, which was settled by Midianites and not part of the Egyptian Kingdom, so his info is false
@@averdadeeumaso4003aver, you speak truth.
Wow so muslims literally came after so long and took it by force and they still believe it is theirs’. Wish i could be that confidently deluded 😂😂😂😂
Very interesting agree about the mixed control after 1850. I have read Simon Sebag Montefiore's Jerusalem which is a great history and explains this period well with Aaliyah Jews coming in from Russia and Poland along with wealthy British and American Jews like Lord Montefiore who built an English village complete witha windmill there in 1859! Ottomans officially banned Jews buying land until 1908, but corruption was rife and sanjaks could be easily bribed.
Robert Spencer actually provides some great information about this historical period in his book, The Palestinian Delusion. I think people assume Jews just showed up in Jerusalem after World War II, when that's far from the case.
I have absolutely no idea how Ottoman officially banned anybody from buying lands as it had freedom of movement in it's entire history!! So either those lands were actually state lands which weren't sold to people randomly indeed or it was actually corruption at first place that officials were preventing Jews from buying lands to take bribes...
Here's an idea: You could do academic genealogies! That would be super interesting. And could be a nice look into some history of science.
wouldn´t it be interisting to have a paralel chart of the development of Sidon & Tyre next to Jerusalem? Just to see which really was the dominant culture, people and economy in the region across the times.
Hi there! Not really here for the video, but, I just want to make a point. Whatever the answer they give in the video, it is in fact wrong. The correct answer is obviously "The Dinosaurs". Whatever they say, you can't beat a couple 100 million years after all. Have wonderful day all :)
I am a Jew from Israel.
Under the Ottoman Empire we Jews weren't allowed to pray in our most holy place - the temple mountain.
Now under Jewish people from all religions can practice their religions with no discrimination.
I believe that Jerusalem should be only under Jewish rule
and that Imams who call to murder Jews shouldn't be active Mosque El Aqtsa.
Jerusalem is mentioned in the old testimony 669 times.
On the other hand it isn't mentioned in the Quraan once.
It became sacred to Muslims only in 1948 as part of the conflict, as part of Jordanian law.
I believe that no religion that calls to murder people from other religions should be practiced in Jerusalem.
Thanks for the fascinating overview. I was familiar with most of the content, but to have it presented in this different, yet clear and concise, manner helps in gluing together the bits of history floating in my memory.
I have no (significant) Middle Eastern heritage, and so am not inclined to venture my own opinion on how the area should be governed. It would be good if those that do have a say in such things could be as informed and level-headed as Matt appears to be.
I don’t think you can deny the nation of Israel sole claim of the city, seeing as it was founded by their ancestors for them
@@Monkeyboy707 The oldest peoples we know of in Jerusalem were the Canaanites. This was well before there was a group that historians refer to as the Proto-Israelites (the precursors of the Israelites from biblical times). I don't know that there is any modern group we can identify as the descendants of the Canaanites. The next group we know of that controlled Jerusalem was the Egyptians. So, by the principle you espouse, maybe we should give control of Jerusalem to Egypt. (I'm sure that would solve everything).
@@BobHutton Obviously the descendants of the people who lived in that area are broadly the people now living in that area. Languages, religions and names change over thousands of years, and new generic add mixtures included, but these are the same people. That shouldn't come as a surprise.
Frankly, I find the relevance of who controlled or founded a city thousands of years ago quite stupid. This has no relevance to people's right to self determination.
@@charles5a I'm not sure that it is obvious. Migrations and ethnic cleansings have occurred throughout recorded history.
But I do agree, the issue of who established or controlled the city thousands of years ago is of little relevance as to how the city would best be controlled now. (Hence my previous tongue-in-cheek suggestion).
@@BobHutton exactly, but a lot of Zionists would try to argue for control of all of Palestine(the entire region) just because of some events 2000 years ago, while also ignoring the millennia of Islamic rule in the city and the current reality of most of the people of Palestine being Muslim and not Jewish.
"Meaning that a literal version of the Exodus story is very unlikely because it would have the Israelites escaping from one part of the Egyptian empire simply to travel to anoter part of the Egyptian empire"
Somehow that doesn't seem like the biggest hurdle for a literal reading of the Exodus.
Also if God had just destroyed the Egyptian army then it is very likely the Egyptians could have defended the levant
Is that dude going to talk of the israelites without mentioning the Old Testament? Lol...
His version of history is based on secularist scepticism.
So no wonder he denies the exodus.
They somehow expect a 4000 BC document talking about the exodus to be excavated somewhere for them to believe it.
There are a few mistakes but anyway it doesn't matter anymore. Jerusalem is a capital of Israel.
I'll be honest, i always got confused when the history gets brought up when claims are made. But it's clear to see that it's always been diverse and will continue to be diverse. I went there years ago, and even my secular classmates said, "it's easy to understand why people view this place as the holy land". Pictures don't do it justice, it's definitely a site to see in person. And a heartbreak that people who live there do not get along. Also understandable, as there are people in their 90s still waiting to return to their homes. A 2 two state solution sounds good on paper, but it'd be so hard to implement. It would probably be better to break down the boarders and create a new government, but this proposal has also been shut down by everyone involved. Who knows what the future holds, but i really hope we dont go into a world war over this.
When Christian Rome Controlled Palestine, Christians, Jews, and pagans were prosperous and relatively peaceful under the law. Then came the Arab Caliphate from Saudi Arabia. Misery ever since.
In the meantime there are many places in Australia, including from Tasmania, right up the east coast and high country, through Victoria, NSW and QLD, that look like the land of milk and honey to me. Aside from ancient connection, I don't know what the fuss is all about in Israel. It ain't the land of milk and honey anymore. Apparently, Israel averages 508 mm's PA. Well, I live near a place called Dorrigo, that averages 2 metres of rain PA. It is a subtropical paradise, as green as green can be. I'd prefer to be in a place where the rainfall is very reliable. A drought in Dorrigo is when they might only get a metre of rain during the year. In the meantime...Israel 508 mm PA? No thanks. Not worth killing people over it.
No it would not be a world war because the Palestinians don't have the firepower or a major league player sitting in their pocket (USA). Even if Russia interfered it doesn't have the firepower to sustain a war against the USA and their allied partners. China could care less about Jerusalem. China is not a warlike country, like the USA. China wants and probably will rule the world economically. because China doesn't have to buy anything. While the world has to buy what China offers...Just like the British.
@@anastunyaweren’t the Roman’s the ones who kicked them out enslaved them and renamed it Palestine in the first place.
@@newstation795 he is referring to the Christian roman period from 328 to 614. This is discussed at right around the 11 minute mark.
I took a class in college specifically on the city of Jerusalem, we read Jerusalem besieged and the list of conflicts over Jerusalem takes up the first 3 whole pages
This was really insightful, thank you for presenting, I get the timelines mixed up a lot, constantly going back to sites like this to see it in a new and refreshing way. Thank you. (I also buy a chart everyone once in a while as they are really awesome to have.)
Feels a little weird to count the modern years as joint Jewish and muslim without doing so for any other period. What about the Roman pagan period? Christiaans were a sizeable minority in those days, while not completely comparable to the modern situation in Jerusalem, its still a comparison that should be made.
Perhaps, but there aren't as many ancient Romans around to take offense
@@fluffysheap yeah just seems a bit politically charged. like i mean if you count the years from 1948-1980 something when Jerusalem was divided yes. but it seems right or more correct to do defacto (ie Isareli) control after the Jerusalem annexation law.
Because he isn't actually non bias, throughout history there was a Jewish minority in Israel
He has to keep up the guise of being impartial while being fairly blatantly politically-geared against Israel.
@@aguy6771 Because the what the zionist did is completely illegal under international law and therefore not recognised.
If all TH-cam video creators spent this much effort on their videos, we'd all be geniuses.
0:22 Constantinople: u dare challenge me?