also Ernie Clement did damn fine job at 3rd and deserves to start and grow there anyone who watches the Jays saw that and will only improve more comfortable he gets there
Barger and Clements can handle third. Move on to other areas such as a left hand hitting power bat, Closer, quality 3rd or 4th starter. Figuring out what is going to happen Bichette and Vladdy.
extend Vlad sign Profar and Santander theres outfield and power if Burnes doesnt want to come screw find someone who will thats decent like Flaherty or maybe Manea,or trade lots of players on market to trade talk to seattle about Castillo work something we take his money/term for Taking Springer+ cash and or prospects and that replaces Bassitt after the end of year.Lots of options if Shatkins duo pulled heads out of their asses stood back and looked at big picture and actually tried to do something
curious why there hasnt been any chatter about Jack Flaherty? couldnt he be a cheaper option for the Jays he hasnt been linked to any teams that ive heard..Pen should have been put to paper during the season when Vladdy said he wanted to be a Jay Shatkins duo should have got it done then both of them should have been fired Rogers new head guy needs to wake up and start rolling shit down hill I still am a big supporter of Jays hiring Jim Riley from Ballcap Sports for GM !Hes a Jays fan knows his shit and players and good trades and trade values and tells it like it is no BS
It's been 40 years of this city only attracting guys based on nothing but a competitive window. It doesnt matter whose in charge, we have real problems to fix. It's getting too Trumpy around here. We are 100 runs short of 2023 totals, which were still not to our standards. 60 or so of those belong to a healthy Bo. We need to expect that back..and hope for more (he had 29 last year). Gimenez may add about 15-20 in a disappointing season. If we can get a guy who can assist Vladdy in knocking them in (and add 30-40 runs) another pen arm and another durable pitcher, then we may be closer than it appears. Maybe one more shot at the playoffs (to improve his 3/22) is what the jays need to see before they empty pockets for Vlad.
This franchise has either no direction or a confusing direction due to the front office. The strategy whatever it was when they came in has clearly failed, it's like one step forward and two steps back all the time. In comparing them to other Front Offices, they are mediocre at best. The reality is that we don't draft as well as other teams, we don't develop well, our trades are questionable, some good some don't make sense......decision making is either plain bad or just overthought to the point of paralysis......the decision to go all in on defence was a miscalculation that every expert seemed to recognize except the Jays. Bottom line is that with a confusing direction and a losing team, this organization has become irrelevant, a fact not lost on the players, both within and outside the organization. The Jays need to rebuild with a new plan, which will require a new front office, it also requires accepting reality that Bo and Vlad aren't signing here(they should have done it 2 years ago, another miscalculation), signing one or the other will not move the needle so move on like Houston did with Tucker(while they still have value) and get some young controllable talent while remaining competitive.
The rebuild should indeed happen, but IMHO in 2026, and post-Atkins/Shapiro. I feel like it's Groundhog Day but I don't believe Atkins has the balls of Anthopolous, but boy it feels the same. Years of underachieving and all the pressure is on.
It's only been one year - That's nothing in baseball terms. Ask the Mets, Yanks, Atlanta and SD about one bad year in a competitive run. They all suffered one very recently only to bounce right back. Its true, we have impending doom ahead and everything is trending down, but we've never seen them have to handle anything but getting Vlad to the playoffs, which they did 3 times and almost a forth (despite all that offense in 2021). We've always gotten smashed in the playoffs by teams with less power than us. Ok, we did have to watch them hold spending while they chased big stars, but let's all admit to ourselves that A) that was exciting, B) that was Rogers' call and c) it failed and its time to accept it and take it like we've been there before..
I still cant believe we are stuck with Atkins and Shapiro.
Agree in spades
4th best attendance last season and it sucked. Edward Rogers only cares about money that's why.
Turning left is certainly an option. However, we feel that turning right prevention is also very important.
Great opening Scott. Atkins quotes absolutely deserve to be ridiculed.
also Ernie Clement did damn fine job at 3rd and deserves to start and grow there anyone who watches the Jays saw that and will only improve more comfortable he gets there
knowing Shatkins they will trade for arrenado and his contract lol
He did, but personally I think he's the absolute ideal utility infielder.
Barger and Clements can handle third. Move on to other areas such as a left hand hitting power bat, Closer, quality 3rd or 4th starter. Figuring out what is going to happen Bichette and Vladdy.
offer 450 max to vladdy if he rejects trade him dont let him walk for nothing
The irony of this feeling like a discussion moderated by Ross Atkins.
extend Vlad sign Profar and Santander theres outfield and power if Burnes doesnt want to come screw find someone who will thats decent like Flaherty or maybe Manea,or trade lots of players on market to trade talk to seattle about Castillo work something we take his money/term for Taking Springer+ cash and or prospects and that replaces Bassitt after the end of year.Lots of options if Shatkins duo pulled heads out of their asses stood back and looked at big picture and actually tried to do something
curious why there hasnt been any chatter about Jack Flaherty? couldnt he be a cheaper option for the Jays he hasnt been linked to any teams that ive heard..Pen should have been put to paper during the season when Vladdy said he wanted to be a Jay Shatkins duo should have got it done then both of them should have been fired Rogers new head guy needs to wake up and start rolling shit down hill I still am a big supporter of Jays hiring Jim Riley from Ballcap Sports for GM !Hes a Jays fan knows his shit and players and good trades and trade values and tells it like it is no BS
Haha Jim’s awesome! Yeah it’s weird how little Flaherty chatted there has been, especially after his playoff performance
Is james click still a part of this team and if so what is he doing?
Still a part of the org in an advisory role to the GM.
It's been 40 years of this city only attracting guys based on nothing but a competitive window.
It doesnt matter whose in charge, we have real problems to fix. It's getting too Trumpy around here.
We are 100 runs short of 2023 totals, which were still not to our standards.
60 or so of those belong to a healthy Bo. We need to expect that back..and hope for more (he had 29 last year).
Gimenez may add about 15-20 in a disappointing season. If we can get a guy who can assist Vladdy in knocking them in (and add 30-40 runs) another pen arm and another durable pitcher, then we may be closer than it appears.
Maybe one more shot at the playoffs (to improve his 3/22) is what the jays need to see before they empty pockets for Vlad.
This franchise has either no direction or a confusing direction due to the front office. The strategy whatever it was when they came in has clearly failed, it's like one step forward and two steps back all the time. In comparing them to other Front Offices, they are mediocre at best. The reality is that we don't draft as well as other teams, we don't develop well, our trades are questionable, some good some don't make sense......decision making is either plain bad or just overthought to the point of paralysis......the decision to go all in on defence was a miscalculation that every expert seemed to recognize except the Jays. Bottom line is that with a confusing direction and a losing team, this organization has become irrelevant, a fact not lost on the players, both within and outside the organization. The Jays need to rebuild with a new plan, which will require a new front office, it also requires accepting reality that Bo and Vlad aren't signing here(they should have done it 2 years ago, another miscalculation), signing one or the other will not move the needle so move on like Houston did with Tucker(while they still have value) and get some young controllable talent while remaining competitive.
The rebuild should indeed happen, but IMHO in 2026, and post-Atkins/Shapiro. I feel like it's Groundhog Day but I don't believe Atkins has the balls of Anthopolous, but boy it feels the same. Years of underachieving and all the pressure is on.
It's only been one year - That's nothing in baseball terms.
Ask the Mets, Yanks, Atlanta and SD about one bad year in a competitive run. They all suffered one very recently only to bounce right back.
Its true, we have impending doom ahead and everything is trending down, but we've never seen them have to handle anything but getting Vlad to the playoffs, which they did 3 times and almost a forth (despite all that offense in 2021).
We've always gotten smashed in the playoffs by teams with less power than us.
Ok, we did have to watch them hold spending while they chased big stars, but let's all admit to ourselves that A) that was exciting, B) that was Rogers' call and c) it failed and its time to accept it and take it like we've been there before..
Atkins talks a lot of nonsense