@@lookatthemoves1951 i mean i dont like to use it much Maybe im doing it wrong im plat 2 dont mind my advice that much but i dont see lot of benefit coming from that
isue is they dont even look minimap even fucking low dia im scared to back cause they will just yolo 4 vs5 in game when they are 7K gold beind and even if they were ahead they risk shut downds and major throw. came to leage after 1 year break and 2 years soloQ break(played just rarely mostly just team trainings and turnaments) i hate soloQ im so toxic and salty i love lol cause of its strategical depth but you wont find that in soloQ
One huge mistake low elo players do is after having their lane over they just start playing ARAM. The other one is taking teamfights without an objective to fight over. This happens way too much. Annoys the shit out of me as a fellow low elo player myself.
@@skillcapped i cant play on NA (the lag would be crazy) but in EU most of the time i see people not knowing what to do and when i tell them about the play we should make thay dont lesson (as if they had something better to do 🙄)
Hi Ich Bin Barney he did talk about support going mid for vision, and I assume able to help quickest. As jg i would assume you go to the bears neutral objective or tower such as a the first bot tower versus going top for something further into lane
Hi Ich Bin Barney For jungle when your laners are pushed up you want to be in the enemy’s jungle stealing their camps and putting their jungler further behind while being close enough to help your team. When your team backs off you can clear your own camps giving you double the xp.
Tbh low elo games are kinda unpredictable, if you have your adc and support mid it would be no surprise if 4 or 5 of them go mid and dive.. they dont think for themselves, they usually just follow the person who initiates. Some of my friends are low elo too and I look at their games from time to time and see the most random roams or all ins ever. For example I saw a Jax top gank mid when his lane was pushed in and he gave the other team 3 plates and he lost like 2 or 3 minion waves.(btw the gank failed, this was high gold/ low plat elo)
Corrin Kamui OML u should see the players in bronze,im hardstuck bronze and i can gurantee u that im AT LEAST a high silver gold player,still low elo but omlll the players in bronzee they literally go play aram at 15-20 min and since im a mid laner i try to split push with talon and later go clean up but they die and then blame me for split pushing,also when i do stay and help my team they die and blame one of us for not splitting,lemme tell u that almost every game either my teammates r feeding or the enemy is feeding,literally every game at least one person should have more than 15 deaths
@@saishonokaze3462 I carried myself out of bronze when I started, my first season I ended in gold 4(this was in season 6 I believe). I know what you're talking about, I have seen it all. But my best advices are to learn carry champions like Jax, Khazix, Annie, Jhin or Nautilus(these champs dont take too much skill so their not hard to learn) or you can duo. One of you in the jungle and solo lane, just camp your lane and carry yourself or you can duo bot lane. Good luck with your climb, and dont let losses break you will to reach your rank goal
The thing is sometimes as a toplaner I have tp and go the opposite lane from baron to start applying pressure... and the adc just walks to you being like "bOtLanE iS My lAne" no matter how much you write in the chat about the gameplan, or ping nash and your tp..........
As a newbie ADC, probably because the game in its grand total of three tutorials, never explains this. Even in AI matches the most that happens after laning phase is the AI groups up in the lane that's most pushed, or goes 3 to one lane. Realize that most Low ELO players haven't gotten PvP experience, and they aren't watching these videos. One of the funniest goddamn moments in my PvP career was the time I stayed in bot as Tristana while the two teams tried to do ARAM in mid. I pushed two towers and the enemy team suddenly started rushing towards me. Like, ADC, guys. NUKING TOWERS IS MY JOB. Meanwhile, my team cried in chat about how I wasn't saving their stupid asses because they weren't fed. We lost because they never left me alone after that play. If I'd gone to take a piss they'd have followed me to the bathroom.
its all dependent on the game state. the adc going up to get farm when behind with the top laner is sometimes right. the most annoying thing is when you are the ahead top laner and you are shadowing the behind adc and the start spam pinging you with dragon about to spawn. like hoe im here for drag top is pushed out and im here because you are behind and anyone can one shot you.
damn probably the most informative vid this channel has ever put the most informative thing i ever heard xD so much things learned from just this vid damn
@bill lamook Meh I don't like this vid. This vid is talking about where every player of the team should be not just you. Nobody in low elo listen to your calls. So saying player X should move to lane Y so you could push lane Z is just useless. You have absolutely no control over your teammates in low elo.
Some listen, but yeah, low elo players are not good at communicating. I was going to suggest just going into their lane so that they will just move to a different one to get their own farm but even that can backfire as they simply rage at you for stealing their farm then afk... Still it was very useful info which can be used, with caution.
see? this is exactly why I laugh whenever a low elo says he cant escape you dont have to do much to climb all you have to do is know the basics of the game! the higher you climb the more complicated the game becomes and the things you have to focus on improving are quite less obvious than when you re low elo
to be honest, ive made a similar climb and these videos haven't been that useful in game. Instead ive been watching replays of my champ specifically in higher elos and copying them. Also spamming one champion only in the jungle. These videos are great to think about in theory, but i always forget to apply them in an actual game. It is just so much to remember.
Macro is not the problem in low elo, its too advanced, if they simply work on playing 1 or 2 champions, learn how to farm they are much better off than learning what the video suggests
@RaHtouV eRed The truth is that you don't even need macro in lower elos. If you get 2-3 items with a strong champion you can already carry most games with good mechanics(up until high dia). I don't think that lowelo players should focus on practicing macro on a deeper lvl, all they have to know is how to get 3 items on a strong champion without falling really behind, and then carry with good mechanics. My macro knowledge has nothing to do with lowelo macro, but to make my point matter more, i almost reached challenger in 3 season, i was like 3 wins away from it twice, in season 4 and in season 6. I also had smurfs with no serious playing, 70-80% wr midplat where i didn't even think about macro, i was just farming my lane and always farming a free lane + get some free kills and carry from 3 items. The thing is your own team can fuck up your good macro in lowelo, cuz to have a really good macro not only you but they have to understand too what you'Re doing most of the times. And they won't you can be absolutely sure of that.
Yep probably one of your best videos so far. If you could do something similar- with each champ type and what they ideally should do would be amazing. A real game-changer.
First example is wrong. Vlad was fine going mid because Cait had already chosen to go bot. Vlad was headed to lane after a base. He could have shoved lane to potentially help with herald. It’s not like you can pull the Cait into the right lane after she’s committed to the mistake. If Vlad had gone bot, there would have been two solo laners competing for farm and no one catching mid. Also, sending Cait mid from bot through FoW would have been silly. Shen walking top was fine too. The freeze was dumb, however. Once your teammates have committed to improper lane assignment, there’s nothing you can do. Just roll with it and make the best of the situation.
@@hannovanbaarle1413 I guess that is what happens in a situation where there is a lack of trust and understanding among teammates. Thats my interpretation of the underlying problem anyway. That morg definately shouldnt have been bot at that point in time but I dont know what I would have thought in that situation after several random fights and laners not pushing their lanes as needed. Im not saying its right cause it isnt but there is a high likelihood i would have just thought "fuck it, I will just do their job for them"
@@gabrielforsberg8744 Yep, been in that situation too often myself. And then the rest of the team is mid, 4v5, getting hooked by Thresh and they lose a teamfight, only to questionmark ping me. Worst thing is that when the enemy groups as 5 mid, even if you (and maybe a friend as well) have the correct mindset of catching waves in the sidelanes or setting up vision around an objective, a teamfight is just unavoidable. You know they're going to get engaged on. You know that your team will get caught out and/or the enemy team is just going to force it. You HAVE to go mid just because the enemies force it upon you, otherwise you lose 3 people, 7 objectives and a good amount of your sanity.
Wouldnt you want Shen top and Vlad bot since the dragon is up and Shen has an ult that TP's him? edit: And the bot turret is gone which makes it a more dangerous lane. Vlad can probably escape a potential gank/collapse better than Shen imo.
I think this is the most accurate video about the macro that you did, basically "rotations & wave control". You really made me understand a lot more mistakes than in other videos and I really liked that they applied it to two different types of champs, please do more of these with other champs and in different situations
what s the program you use in 7:25? Where you put champs on the map, etc pls share Edit: Also man, your videos are of such high value, they are sooo good, I swear. Keep doing them, Wp gg.
This right here! Just the first example with the vlad and talking about how the support and adc should be mid at this point and be helping other places on the map during different stages of the game. From Iron to Gold I see adc's and supports stay in bot lane almost ALL game... also they never ward river or drakes, only ward the closest bush, and never rotate towards their jungler to secure herald and/or engage a team fight on any enemies at the point of game their jungler takes herald. Same goes for mids that don't roam, don't ward enough (or ward crappy spots), and mids and bot lane duos that never notice if their jungler is being invaded by the enemy jungler/mid/support at any point. I've seen junglers take a fight at their own raptors with an invader and their mid laner is sitting right on the otherside of the wall under their first turret and refuse to help because they're afraid of missing 1 CS or are tunnel visioning. If you help your jungle kill an invader they can then come back to your lane with you and score a good gank and you just gained a 2 fold advantage. Positioning and rotating out of your original lane is so important! You are not supposed to just stay in the lane you start in for all/90% of a game and don't be afraid to travel up river and ward an enemy blue buff. I want everyone on every role in iron to low gold to watch thid video NOW! I watch guides and stuff constantly and this video is the most helpful and important one I've ever seen.
1:00 why would i be top as vlad if the minionwave and the next objektiv (drake) is on bot side ? Since shen has his ult and tp to get to the team vlad should definitly go on the objektive side @SkillCappedchallengerLOLguides
I was typing a comment about how you were right but it is because they were fighting for herald and not drake so vlad would want to be closer to herald
11:00 dude it's low Elo Vayne. What's most likely to happen is Vayne spampinging the Zed back, crying, flaming and rage quitting because Zed is StEaLiNg HiS fArM.
zed main here (diamond 3 EUW) Most of the time my games go like this: when i split push there is no enemy defending me and i even get the towers but then my team gets engaged in a 5vs4 and everyone dies. I even ping them to play further back because it so obvious... but its hopeless - and then they blame me because i was in a side lane...
Yeah he explained it with assassin's macro, you want to shove it in and then roam into where your team is going to be fighting next to get a backline surprise advantage.
Dont worry about others. Just 100% focus on yourself. You win some and you lose some. But if you play near perfect you will climb. Until you will reach the division where everyone will be same skill as you or better. Then you will stop climb and you will reach the elo you deserve.
create a champ pool that has a lot of solo-carry potential, focus on getting as strong as you can and taking/controlling objectives, /mute all if team starts flaming or raging, and they should follow your lead when they see how well you're doing unless the game is too far gone or they surrender before it becomes effective.
The problem is not only of 1 person, normally involves all the team because even though you give the correct advises of choices and macro movement sometimes nobody will listen(for example after laning phase rotations)
I think a lot of us subconsciously understand or utilise these principles but don't quite make all the connections. Having it all laid out here is so enabling for me. That quick diagram of "collection zone" and "pressure zone" makes so much sense; I can't wait to get flamed for trying to put it into practice.
It all comes down to relative champion strength toward the person he’s facing, lane assignment (team effort but basically the guy with tp take the lane the further away from objective - botlane mid - midlane the remaining lane), people not getting caught You also need to play in a game where the ennemy has the same thoughts process as you, therefore it’s not so efficient in low elo. Low elo is just about 1v9, catch people off and win of that. From D3+ you can start to play the macro game and win with that
The Problem in Scenes like 7:10 is that a Gold Yorick will propably go for the 2v1 on Botlane instat of Clearing the wave and waiting for his Team to support him if needed. I like the Videos of this Chanel very much and i learn a lot. But ist hard to do like Diamond Macro Plays if ur Team has no clue what to do and only Flames u if u try to explain/do calls.
Question here is, how does one, with so little experience in the game, know which macro decision to make? Yes, it seems obvious when you point it out in this video what they do wrong but for 10/13 games I have played, none of these things happened at my elo (SILVER 2). I had been ahead, but whenever I try to do the whole "collection zone-> pressure zone" with my J4 it just becomes a train wreck as my team just dies if I don't group up with them and I end up wasting time having to TP or walk to the lane of the team fight.
Wow. As a Yorick main, I made all the right choices throughout the video (for once). First video where I was right about everything. Usually I get everything wrong. xD
I actually think Vladimir bot is the first best choice, and the way I would’ve played it. Shen being top allows a play around dragon to be made far more optimally than any other grouping; herald is long dead by the time Vladimir would’ve been near it.
6 min mark is the problem with na solo queue. the "correct" play only leads to tempo and priority over dragon, while the wrong play nets the same as well as two kills. I don't see how I can make macro decisions based around coin flip decision making
7:17 awfully bold of you to assume yuumi and lucian wouldn't keep pushing that tower there. Plenty of times they would and don't even have a clue zed was gone from mid in the first place xD In high elo games top would be the right move no questions asked because people all do the right things. But assuming lucian yuumi aren't just as bad as you are can cost you an inhib here. He most definitely shouldn't have kept farming that wave together with the yorik though. That was pretty bad because he could've still done a way quicker rotation top after getting the info they were actually pulling away from that turret and get a part of that juicy top wave still. Even if he doesn't get the cs at that point he will still be a safety net for the xin zhao that's farming his crugs up there and plan a 2man gank on mid using their vision wall in topriver once someone shows up to defend that tower from vayne and morgana.
Im an adc player and the part that affects me the most is the mid laner freezing the lane after minions on bot begin to push and me and my supp get killed by 3 or sometimes even 4 guys. This happens almost every second match in gold elo. And the other thing is me going mid At around 20 mins with my supp because i know i have to be there to be useful for the Team but the mid laner is staying mid and denying me farm. After a few mins he keeps farming and i go bot to catch a Big wave cos nobody does it and in the meantime a random teamfight broke out which we lost, because we had no adc and the adc is the teams constant dmg. Thats why i sometimes decide to stay mid and loose more then 50 cs, just to be able to Help when a random teamfight breaks out. This means the mid laner is slowly going to take the own adc out of the game.
What do you do when you go to a side lane and your teammates immediately go into 5v4 and die instantly making it so the whole team and can just rotate on you so you have to recall
Nice tutorial and observation, i would wonder how this aproach can work for a jungle? can they also use it or it's totally different? Some jung champs with some items are good for split push sometimes from what i notice but usually they are going with team for help or ganks...
One GIGANTIC mistake I see low elo players make all the time is not pushing objectives after a completely one sided team fight. You kill 3 of them, all waves are pushed, the caitlyn decides it's a good time to shop with those 3 kills instead of killing an inhib before they respawn and the jungler decides it's a good time to farm our wolves instead of Baron. It's unbelievable how stupidly often people below gold do this but I see it in my partners low elo games all the time.
Learning what order to engage in team fights was a huge turning point for me. 3 seconds gives the other team enough to to tunnel vision your tank while you wipe their backline. People don't know how to change focus mid fight in low elo
You kind of talked about it but I think it didnt got pointed out enough, that the biggest macro problem on low elo is RANDOM DECISIONS, not actually putting thought on where you are going and what you should actually do next. If you actially put 3 seconds of thought on fountain looking at the state of the game, its probab pretty simple to realize where you should go. A lot of times i see a team finally gsther around for an object and them they see 1 guy spliting and the whole team go stop the split like DONT. DONT. DONT.
What if, as SoloQ teams do, all 3 waves are being picked up randomly by my teammates and I have nowhere to go? Best to share a wave on the strong side or should I accept that I have been demoted to shadowing them until one is gracious enough to leave the lane for me?
First game: First part - Why doesn't Caitlyn just "collect" waves and back off? She went into "Pressure zone" and got killed. Kind of her own fault. Second part - When Vlad and Eve were killing Nasus, they didn't even need Thresh, so it's Thresh's fault for leaving Caitlyn alone. (not trying to defend Vlad, just something I noticed)
I know what you mean and guess u are right but I think he was explaining how u have impact on that. Obviously the other players in that elo aren't playing it perfectly aswell, so u can do this and that to avoid it happening that way
This is very informative but it just won't work as a tool to escape low elo. Do you really think that if Zed had gone top, the rest would accomodate and go to the correct lanes? Fuck no, they would just all stick to wherever they were and they would have 2 or 3 people pushing one lane, sharing gold and exp. The only way to escape low elo is to improve your csing and split pushing. Ignore your team and just push/farm until you win. It's the only way.
i think it depends on what kind of lanes you have going on in top or mid, if you have a mage with strong wave clear but weak roaming, I.E. Anivia, its better to swap with your top and to just leave mid to keep pressure on the mid lane, although if your top lane is a huge bully like jayce, kennen, or teemo, and they are laning vs something like a nasus who is already struggling to farm just at their own turret, then swapping, or just joining your mid in pushing, might be the better option. I
In terms of macro, it appears this video reinforces support and jungle as my strongest (nevermind the laning, which jg is my worst), I think this will help me play assassins, mages, and bruisers better. I started to catch on to the macro trends of pressure, and I cannot believe its this simple. Hopefully I can shotcall better in my ranked games with this! There are quite a few games where we've squandered leads.
7:28 we have no information to tell because we don't know if Yorick can handle Lucian+yummi. its gold elo, probably Lucian didn't even noticed zed missing, so there's a chance they continue pushing. If Yorick is 0/2 and Lucian+yummi 4/2 in gold elo, i can easily lost inhibitor by going top. I'm not saying this videos is wrong, i just said we had no information to be sure this was the right decision.
First clip with Vlad is wrong. Here's why, Thresh and Evelynn are already taking the rift herald. Vlad needs to be bot, Shen needs to be top, Caitlyn and Thresh need to be mid, and Evelynn needs to be hoovering botside. Vlad ( assuming he has ignite and not teleport ) Will take longer to travel to dragon if a fight starts out than Shen who can just ult if a fight breaks out. Caitlyn and Thresh need to be playing toward the botside of the map, after Evelynn drops the rift herald top instantly after taking it, then running to dragon, leaving Shen to pressure top push with rift. in short, Thresh and Eve take rift, drop it top to take the turret as Shen goes top to threaten T2 turret, At this point Vlad has pushed the bot wave which will crash in the middle of bot lane, then he falls back to take drag with Eve, Cait and Thresh, then finally they rotate bot because the wave is pushing for them into the T2 turret, with Shen pulling pressure top with rift.
@Sync Grave Naw, dude, they die because they went against the winning team that has item and level advantage, then blame you because there's no one that's EVER won a 4v5. If you had just been there everything would have been different, all of their shitty builds and missed skill shots would have landed and you'd have aced 100% every time.
how do i as adc deal with midlaner staying 36 min on midlane, i either share farm and exp and slowly loose the game or go side lane and even if i manage to get some farm there without dying to mid/top my team is going to fight 4v4 over some blue and loose, i can literaly spam midlaner for 15 min to leave mid, then tell my team dont fight im going to pickup farm bot and theyll run it down and dive 4v5
Hey. Mind if I throw out a video idea? Considering Zed (50.5% avg) and Yasuo (52% avg) have "huge" win rates in the lower elos, despite both being mechanically intense, my idea is: a why the winrate is as high, a how to deal with them as a low elo player (most I see give advice as if the player against those two is a higher elo), Seeker's why/why not? Basically, the how to deal with them for people who don't know. The idea came from a comment I've seen on the boards that sounded like "if you can't deal with them, they you are low elo", which their win rates kinda prove to be right (except for Zed, but he needs nerfs to his passive anyway). I know it's a bit different from what types of videos you usually do, but since no-one actually does them "correctly", and your video method with game plans and how to execute them is genius, I feel like you guys could make the best video helping lower elo players actually deal with these two. A basic "as a mage do this/as an assassin do this/as a bruiser do this" type of thing.
Zed and Yas are one tricked or played a lot in low elo, people just have more time to practise those champs hence the "high" win rates. I already learned Azir, Yas, Zed and Draven by the time I hit Gold. You deal with Zed by buying Zhonyas if you can, items like PD, GA or Steraks would also help if you're an ad champ due to the lifeline or whatever passive that saves you from burst. Yasuo really isn't that difficult to kill, tabi's and a frozen heart, an exhaust or a little bit of cc goes a long way to kill him and Zed; if you're lucky then your tank or support would've built Frozen heart or Randuins for the attack speed debuff that increases Yasuo's CD on Q as it decreases only by atk spd.
I didn't say that I can't deal with them, for me particularly it's easy due to play Taliyah a lot and since she's rarely played I haven't yet met a person who knows how to lane against me, yet as you said, those two are played a hella lot, I get to deal with them (Yasuo: "WTF RIOT NERF TALIYAH") The reason I gave this suggestion as being a more in depth video is for others to learn better. Those two are common, and although they get played a lot, I don't believe they should have the win rates they have, but hey, not my place to say good or bad, but for people to have an actually in depth guide on how to would be nice. It's not just about "buy Zhonya", as many don't know how to identify their moments of weakness, etc. Heck, Zed's a pain because of how he plays, he always lets the wave push to him just so he can WEQ harass and be safe because he's so close to his tower, and he doesn't need to manage his wave anyway, as unless the creep is one shot by the tower, he can last hit it due to his passive.
@@c.c.anubis You just stated why they have a high win rate that they shouldn't have in low elo, many people don't know how to identify their moments of weakness as you said.
I know, that's why I suggested the video. When someone complains about Zed on the boards for example, all you get are either "yea he's OP" or "you're just bad". Most "constructive" comment you get is "build Seeker's", but Seeker's alone won't do much if the player doesn't know how to deal with Zed in the first place. It'll slow Zed down a tad, but other than that, it's nada, so why not actually give players an actual video guide on how to deal with them? A game plan for each of the 3 main classes taken mid, some info for side laners, etc. Skill Capped would be the best at doing this vid.
@@c.c.anubis I have to agree though, low elo players or at least a handful say that a champ is too op cause they got butt fucked because they didn't build correctly or don't know how to deal with the champ. It's just hard for Skill Capped to make low elo videos as you already know, low elo is pretty toxic.
5:25 Vlad pushing that next wave isn't really that bad it took 10 seconds and could have taken 8 if he positioned properly. It's his rotation into raptors that is stupid. He could easily go bot and collect the wave nasus pushed while grabbing dragon vision on his way down. That raptor rotation is the actual problem.
Thank you so much! You dont know how your videos are helping me! I was B4 last week and today i´m B2... Some can think that this is not a big deal, but for me... I stoped to die, plus i´m winning my lane... thank you again!
right, but what do you do when your team is just collecting lanes and not pushing or running through jungle. What do you do when your team keeps playing the laning phase at 25 minutes
For the "what can my champ do in a sidelane " Part, you gave extreme examples for both collection and pressure champs. But what about a tier3 core Viktor with rylais? He has some Kind of Mobility and the 1v1 Potential isnt that Bad. What should i do with him?
Viktor can sidelane, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he should. He's also a very strong waveclear champion, so if waveclear is lacking as a group - it may give up too much mid pressure for Viktor to push into the pressure zone. If you have a Sivir or Jinx etc though, then go nuts!
So, for example, you have that zed in your team, and he starts that team fight, as his teammate, what to do?, follow him and hope for the best?, or abandon him and survive?
kind of disagree on the lane assignment: having ad+supp in toplane is better imo since they have more pressure on the last standing outer turret compared to a vlad. Also they are pretty safe even in a long sidelane with cait range + thresh waiting behind her with lantern, so theres no problem with that. In addition to this it does not rly matter if their support provides vision control over both top and botside since theres only a shitty clowndrake which id trade for top t1 tower+herald anytime. Vlad should be hardshoving midwave to move topside tho, jgler should be playing around topside aswell. Shen has R can just sit in base n wait who picks this boring ass support champ in toplane... But honestly, if you ask me its bullshit to try tell those players anything about macrogame, it does not really work that well in soloq anyways and it is way easier to climb by improving your own mechanical skill level etc. at first. Go in practice tool, practice csing, play arams to get to know limits of more champions and just learn to play fights properly there.
"And have secured pressure in the side lane, instead he goes in the jungle to kill wolves" That sentence just sounds incredibly silly. He's talking about all the strategies zed needs to do in order to carry the game, it sounds super smart and awesome, but he takes wolves
This vid is good overall but I won't agree with every thing he said. There's nothing wrong with taking wolves when you're on way to open lane as top was at that moment. You lose 10 seconds and gain free exp and gold. Just look at worlds - every midlaner is taking as much camps as he can get.
Is'nt it better for cait to go top in the beggining since both tier 1 towers were up and therefore they have the highest chanse to get presure but still be safe?
If you can Shuriman shuffle it's fine but stay glued to your mini map. If you don't have vision of the enemy be careful not to push too far or you will get 1v enemy team
You're saying this as if I get to choose which lanes my teammates go to. At the beginning you said Vlad should have gone top. But Shen was already moving there. So it makes no sense to go top as Vlad would have to share cs with Shen.
I feel like the decisions they *should* take, are way too reliant on their other teamates also knowing what to do. I can 100% guarentee you what would happen in EUW plat, you would go top, and ask vayne to get farm mid, and she will ping u to fall back (with flame too for that extra spice).
learned a bunch of macro tricks -> happy -> opened up a rank game -> picked your favorite champ -> got first blood by making the correct macro choice -> careful laning -> saw enemy 9/0/4 draven before turret plate falls -> ff uninstall
Reality : - if cait come mid, vlad would spam ping, threaten to afk and ask in all chat to report her - if vlad goes top: a) shen would spam ping, threaten to afk and ask in all chat to report him b) shen would go top and try to contest the creeps to vlad, c) tresh and eve would just keep doing what they're doing, then recall d) cait would get collapsed on, or just recall after she finishes the red buff. e) enemy team would make the drake You can't control what other people are doing. It's too easy to imagine the perfect situation where everyone is doing the optimal thing. The reality of low elo is not like that. Now, given the current position of other players in the map (other players that you cannot move or control) vlad is in the most optimal position: 1) he is near cait and the drake 2) he cant go bot and farm the creeps because cait would immediately start to contest the creeps if she sees him going for them ("oh no ! he's gonna take MY creeps ! ping ping ping"). Also, there is a risk for her to go AFK because you steal her creeps 3) going top , where eve, tresh and shen are already, would be giving a free drake to the enemy. I'll agree that he is making a mistake freezing, though. What would be interesting is to know how one can make the difference when the rest of the team is ARAMing. And there is only 2 possibilities: get insanely fed and crush the team fights, or get insanely fed and split push.
Yeah but you forget. Those choices are gonna work out in high ELO. In low ELO, Vlad would have pushed Nasus while his team would engage a 2v4, get themselves all killed, the enemy would roam to Dragon, Vlad would try to steal it, fail and die.
2:22 "Vladimir chooses to engage".. Doesn't look like an engage to me.. More like a " Hey I'm gonna help Thresh, surely Evelynn and Shen will come too - oh right, you can't rely on your team in League, shit I forgot". Following a "?" pingstorm on Evelynn and Shen.
I disagree with your statement that it's vladimir's mistake that caitlyn was alone mid around 6:00. Thresh followed vlad and left her alone, not the other way around.
Low Elo players never make so complicated choices, they decide to push a lane , never know when to fall back, they follow stupid teamates who go 1v3 and if you try to swap lanes you will get flamed. And Platinum is not that Low, at least not anymore.
Even if these are the correct choices vlad needs to make, you can’t control your adc. ‘Cait go mid with thresh whilst we push side lanes’ Cait : no I go bot for solo exp It’s just a nightmare, you don’t have control over your team mates when it comes to low elo macro.
@@jackwood7726 most probably people will listen to you asking them to go to other lane respectfully, they dont have to know exactly why, but if you do ask with respect, they listen, from time to time, i play in my low elo accounts (i'm a challenger Euw), actually silver and gold elo are the easiest players to convince, just be polite and call the right things, it will eventually work.
@@bkekria1 Yeah you are right, accept I'm high/mid plat EUW and the arrogance is insane and no one will listen to you. Also if you're challenger, why you here lol
@@jackwood7726 i want to improve in any possible way, you can always do better no matter what is your elo. Learning is the key, every month there's new macros and new item paths with each patch, you have to keep up to date to be in the high tiers, or you'll eventually fall and get to be washed up with the time.
@@bkekria1 I wasn't doubting u lol, was just curious. But I hate climbing in ranked, this is my second season doing ranked. Over both seasons i've had a combined 50 games lmao
I think even if Zed pushes top instead of going for that engage behind dragon, team will probably still fight 4v5 and then flame him for being top while enemy team crushes mid towers
The thing is not only vlad did mistakes... okay i get it your ahead go sidelane BUT when was the last time a 1 3 1 worked in solo q? Even in challenger... and this is obv plat right. Okay lets recap his team is doing rift enemys don't contest so he should have shoved botlane to prepare drake and let shen top bcs he can easy come drake with either tp or ult and they would have saved herald. That's just what I would do in this situation. But tbh your right but botlane should go get botside vision to prepare drake or to prepare to contest the drake and reset after that. In this scenario thresh should never leave cait alone and vlad should never need help to zone a nasus or even to kill him. This vlad just got outclassed by the enemy macro game bcs he had no clue what to do. Same for eve and thresh tho
Thank you for this informational material. My natural reaction is go watch pro play and see their macro. Can I ask if you can make a similar video for support?
On gold elo seeing assasin mid on your team is a nightmare, literally no one knows how to split push and if you dont end the game below 20 minutes it is gone.
i disagree with so much of this, I'm only a low-elo player myself but for example why would'nt you want the shen to go top after you secured rift herald when dragon is up and 0 vision was build up (especially ocean which could proof quiet useful in a sustain/siege heavy comp) EDIT: I'm not hating on the vid, it's a great video which helped me a lot as well. There were just a lot of parts which confused me and I wrote this comments to maybe get some insight on the issues I've had with the video.
Shen has a crossmap ulti and by splitting he's hoping to get somebody to answer his split push so he can tp to a 5v4, this also creates bot lane pressure so the enemy team either has to answer a Shen split push who likely has demolish or a herald push from the rest of their team. Vlad's team would likely win any fight that broke out if Vlad went top lane.
Like if the narrator should buy a pop filter 🤙 and share with your noob friends so everyone knows where to go on the map! Yay Skill-Capped! =) 💙
Hi i have a question
I remember when slow pushing sidelines was a big deal
Is it not as important any more?
@@lookatthemoves1951 i mean i dont like to use it much Maybe im doing it wrong im plat 2 dont mind my advice that much but i dont see lot of benefit coming from that
@@erenylmazer356 i dont see it alot but i remember people saying it was important so i want to know what happened to it
Is it a bad strategy now?
I slowpush when I want to setup a dive and also this works so well in plat because nobody uses it and also my jungler is my duo so he knows what to do
...Lesson one... DO NOT.... ARAM...........
Vayne would most likely stay with zed top sharing exp because that's how it works in low elo.. Apes. Strong. Together.
Evangelos Alexiou LMAO
Yea, 90% chance that's exactly what would happen.
sharing is caring
HAHAHAHAHA
isue is they dont even look minimap even fucking low dia im scared to back cause they will just yolo 4 vs5 in game when they are 7K gold beind and even if they were ahead they risk shut downds and major throw.
came to leage after 1 year break and 2 years soloQ break(played just rarely mostly just team trainings and turnaments) i hate soloQ im so toxic and salty i love lol cause of its strategical depth but you wont find that in soloQ
The more you learn about the game, the more your suffering increases while playing it
FACTSSSSSSS. You realize how little everyone else knows about the game
adc and support prob too is one of the worst with climbing on new acc (4th acc) new server
One huge mistake low elo players do is after having their lane over they just start playing ARAM.
The other one is taking teamfights without an objective to fight over. This happens way too much.
Annoys the shit out of me as a fellow low elo player myself.
Pretty much NA
Happens in EU to
after 10 min every one is mid for some reason and when i play adc i cant farm because my sup is also mid
@@lookatthemoves1951 Sure, but happens in NA more than EU (fact)
@@skillcapped i cant play on NA (the lag would be crazy) but in EU most of the time i see people not knowing what to do and when i tell them about the play we should make thay dont lesson (as if they had something better to do 🙄)
Skill Capped Challenger LoL Guides Respect the NAram plz
Never realized my macro was terrible... This is the best video by far on the channel since it usually applies disregarding the patch you're on
"instead he goes into the jungle and starts killing wolves" pretty much sums up my experience
"Somehow, Caitlyn solos a Kane"
Platinum in a nutshell
Spamming M7 rofl
I wish I had this for Support and Jungle Role.
Hi Ich Bin Barney he did talk about support going mid for vision, and I assume able to help quickest. As jg i would assume you go to the bears neutral objective or tower such as a the first bot tower versus going top for something further into lane
I main jungle > support and this video is very helpful.
If you hope your support and jungle is that good, then you are just trying to get boosted
Pick janna, spam shield and pretend you are a chick. Someone will boost you in no time.
Hi Ich Bin Barney For jungle when your laners are pushed up you want to be in the enemy’s jungle stealing their camps and putting their jungler further behind while being close enough to help your team. When your team backs off you can clear your own camps giving you double the xp.
Tbh low elo games are kinda unpredictable, if you have your adc and support mid it would be no surprise if 4 or 5 of them go mid and dive.. they dont think for themselves, they usually just follow the person who initiates. Some of my friends are low elo too and I look at their games from time to time and see the most random roams or all ins ever. For example I saw a Jax top gank mid when his lane was pushed in and he gave the other team 3 plates and he lost like 2 or 3 minion waves.(btw the gank failed, this was high gold/ low plat elo)
Corrin Kamui OML u should see the players in bronze,im hardstuck bronze and i can gurantee u that im AT LEAST a high silver gold player,still low elo but omlll the players in bronzee they literally go play aram at 15-20 min and since im a mid laner i try to split push with talon and later go clean up but they die and then blame me for split pushing,also when i do stay and help my team they die and blame one of us for not splitting,lemme tell u that almost every game either my teammates r feeding or the enemy is feeding,literally every game at least one person should have more than 15 deaths
@@saishonokaze3462 I carried myself out of bronze when I started, my first season I ended in gold 4(this was in season 6 I believe). I know what you're talking about, I have seen it all. But my best advices are to learn carry champions like Jax, Khazix, Annie, Jhin or Nautilus(these champs dont take too much skill so their not hard to learn) or you can duo. One of you in the jungle and solo lane, just camp your lane and carry yourself or you can duo bot lane. Good luck with your climb, and dont let losses break you will to reach your rank goal
@@saishonokaze3462 You are not a "high silver or gold" player if you are in bronze. You are a bronze player.
The thing is sometimes as a toplaner I have tp and go the opposite lane from baron to start applying pressure... and the adc just walks to you being like "bOtLanE iS My lAne" no matter how much you write in the chat about the gameplan, or ping nash and your tp..........
just the thought of this is giving me cancer
Alexandre Géhin
this is tilting af. 90% of players dont realize that adcs should not be sidelaning after laning phase.
@@TheBanana202 Yeah. Most of them don't think ahead, they pointlessly move around the map trying to farm
As a newbie ADC, probably because the game in its grand total of three tutorials, never explains this. Even in AI matches the most that happens after laning phase is the AI groups up in the lane that's most pushed, or goes 3 to one lane. Realize that most Low ELO players haven't gotten PvP experience, and they aren't watching these videos. One of the funniest goddamn moments in my PvP career was the time I stayed in bot as Tristana while the two teams tried to do ARAM in mid. I pushed two towers and the enemy team suddenly started rushing towards me. Like, ADC, guys. NUKING TOWERS IS MY JOB. Meanwhile, my team cried in chat about how I wasn't saving their stupid asses because they weren't fed. We lost because they never left me alone after that play. If I'd gone to take a piss they'd have followed me to the bathroom.
its all dependent on the game state. the adc going up to get farm when behind with the top laner is sometimes right. the most annoying thing is when you are the ahead top laner and you are shadowing the behind adc and the start spam pinging you with dragon about to spawn. like hoe im here for drag top is pushed out and im here because you are behind and anyone can one shot you.
damn probably the most informative vid this channel has ever put
the most informative thing i ever heard xD
so much things learned from just this vid damn
@bill lamook Meh I don't like this vid. This vid is talking about where every player of the team should be not just you. Nobody in low elo listen to your calls. So saying player X should move to lane Y so you could push lane Z is just useless. You have absolutely no control over your teammates in low elo.
Glenn so true, I can’t tell my retarded adc what to do in low elo because they are all toxic and can’t stand to be in the wrong
Some listen, but yeah, low elo players are not good at communicating. I was going to suggest just going into their lane so that they will just move to a different one to get their own farm but even that can backfire as they simply rage at you for stealing their farm then afk... Still it was very useful info which can be used, with caution.
Watched your videos for 2 weeks and went from bronze 2 to about to enter promos to gold. Crazy how helpful these are
see? this is exactly why I laugh whenever a low elo says he cant escape you dont have to do much to climb all you have to do is know the basics of the game! the higher you climb the more complicated the game becomes and the things you have to focus on improving are quite less obvious than when you re low elo
to be honest, ive made a similar climb and these videos haven't been that useful in game. Instead ive been watching replays of my champ specifically in higher elos and copying them. Also spamming one champion only in the jungle. These videos are great to think about in theory, but i always forget to apply them in an actual game. It is just so much to remember.
@@bleuemoone8710 throught time you ll get used to it
@@bleuemoone8710 That's one tricking and it isn't getting good at the game though.
@@sofoklisGR nah not really, knowing the basics isnt all you need to climb out of silver you need to hard carry otherwise its coinflipping
LOWELO MACRO MISTAKES, there is no macro in lowelo thats the mistake xd
TRUE
Then you don't know what macro is
Macro is not the problem in low elo, its too advanced, if they simply work on playing 1 or 2 champions, learn how to farm they are much better off than learning what the video suggests
@RaHtouV eRed The truth is that you don't even need macro in lower elos. If you get 2-3 items with a strong champion you can already carry most games with good mechanics(up until high dia). I don't think that lowelo players should focus on practicing macro on a deeper lvl, all they have to know is how to get 3 items on a strong champion without falling really behind, and then carry with good mechanics. My macro knowledge has nothing to do with lowelo macro, but to make my point matter more, i almost reached challenger in 3 season, i was like 3 wins away from it twice, in season 4 and in season 6. I also had smurfs with no serious playing, 70-80% wr midplat where i didn't even think about macro, i was just farming my lane and always farming a free lane + get some free kills and carry from 3 items. The thing is your own team can fuck up your good macro in lowelo, cuz to have a really good macro not only you but they have to understand too what you'Re doing most of the times. And they won't you can be absolutely sure of that.
@RaHtouV eRed He is prob (max) diamond
Yep probably one of your best videos so far. If you could do something similar- with each champ type and what they ideally should do would be amazing. A real game-changer.
First example is wrong. Vlad was fine going mid because Cait had already chosen to go bot. Vlad was headed to lane after a base. He could have shoved lane to potentially help with herald. It’s not like you can pull the Cait into the right lane after she’s committed to the mistake. If Vlad had gone bot, there would have been two solo laners competing for farm and no one catching mid. Also, sending Cait mid from bot through FoW would have been silly. Shen walking top was fine too. The freeze was dumb, however.
Once your teammates have committed to improper lane assignment, there’s nothing you can do. Just roll with it and make the best of the situation.
Morgana going to push a side lane, yeah that's me... every game..
basically a quick tip. as a support you should almost never be last hitting alone in any lane. lets say ur adc dies you roam or recall or get vision.
"Well that wave ain't never gonna get collected by itself"
@@hannovanbaarle1413 I guess that is what happens in a situation where there is a lack of trust and understanding among teammates. Thats my interpretation of the underlying problem anyway. That morg definately shouldnt have been bot at that point in time but I dont know what I would have thought in that situation after several random fights and laners not pushing their lanes as needed. Im not saying its right cause it isnt but there is a high likelihood i would have just thought "fuck it, I will just do their job for them"
@@gabrielforsberg8744 Yep, been in that situation too often myself. And then the rest of the team is mid, 4v5, getting hooked by Thresh and they lose a teamfight, only to questionmark ping me.
Worst thing is that when the enemy groups as 5 mid, even if you (and maybe a friend as well) have the correct mindset of catching waves in the sidelanes or setting up vision around an objective, a teamfight is just unavoidable. You know they're going to get engaged on. You know that your team will get caught out and/or the enemy team is just going to force it. You HAVE to go mid just because the enemies force it upon you, otherwise you lose 3 people, 7 objectives and a good amount of your sanity.
HairyLoco as a supp you be playing really prly im a challenger and that is the dundementals you should learn in iron
Wouldnt you want Shen top and Vlad bot since the dragon is up and Shen has an ult that TP's him?
edit: And the bot turret is gone which makes it a more dangerous lane. Vlad can probably escape a potential gank/collapse better than Shen imo.
Its 3 am but skill capped just posted i need to watch lol
Yeayuh!! =)
And then forget tomorrow?
I think this is the most accurate video about the macro that you did, basically "rotations & wave control". You really made me understand a lot more mistakes than in other videos and I really liked that they applied it to two different types of champs, please do more of these with other champs and in different situations
what s the program you use in 7:25? Where you put champs on the map, etc
pls share
Edit: Also man, your videos are of such high value, they are sooo good, I swear.
Keep doing them, Wp gg.
I think it's photoshop
You are the unsung heroes of League!
*unsung would hit it better
This right here! Just the first example with the vlad and talking about how the support and adc should be mid at this point and be helping other places on the map during different stages of the game. From Iron to Gold I see adc's and supports stay in bot lane almost ALL game... also they never ward river or drakes, only ward the closest bush, and never rotate towards their jungler to secure herald and/or engage a team fight on any enemies at the point of game their jungler takes herald. Same goes for mids that don't roam, don't ward enough (or ward crappy spots), and mids and bot lane duos that never notice if their jungler is being invaded by the enemy jungler/mid/support at any point. I've seen junglers take a fight at their own raptors with an invader and their mid laner is sitting right on the otherside of the wall under their first turret and refuse to help because they're afraid of missing 1 CS or are tunnel visioning. If you help your jungle kill an invader they can then come back to your lane with you and score a good gank and you just gained a 2 fold advantage. Positioning and rotating out of your original lane is so important! You are not supposed to just stay in the lane you start in for all/90% of a game and don't be afraid to travel up river and ward an enemy blue buff. I want everyone on every role in iron to low gold to watch thid video NOW! I watch guides and stuff constantly and this video is the most helpful and important one I've ever seen.
1:00 why would i be top as vlad if the minionwave and the next objektiv (drake) is on bot side ? Since shen has his ult and tp to get to the team vlad should definitly go on the objektive side @SkillCappedchallengerLOLguides
I was typing a comment about how you were right but it is because they were fighting for herald and not drake so vlad would want to be closer to herald
11:00 dude it's low Elo Vayne. What's most likely to happen is Vayne spampinging the Zed back, crying, flaming and rage quitting because Zed is StEaLiNg HiS fArM.
Getting ready to copy paste this into every pre-game/post-game lobby.
zed main here (diamond 3 EUW)
Most of the time my games go like this: when i split push there is no enemy defending me and i even get the towers but then my team gets engaged in a 5vs4 and everyone dies.
I even ping them to play further back because it so obvious... but its hopeless - and then they blame me because i was in a side lane...
Unless you are playing a tower destroying champion you should group after a few waves
Yeah he explained it with assassin's macro, you want to shove it in and then roam into where your team is going to be fighting next to get a backline surprise advantage.
7:15 in gold or lower the lucian would think he is faker and tried to 1 v 1 the yorick tbh ( in this case 1 v 2)
thats why yorick is a good champ to climb to gold+ no.1 surprise damage champ
this is one ofthose videos that do an amazing job painting the bigger picture of why we are in the elo were in
My question is how do I apply this when no one else on the team wants to listen?
Dont worry about others. Just 100% focus on yourself. You win some and you lose some. But if you play near perfect you will climb. Until you will reach the division where everyone will be same skill as you or better. Then you will stop climb and you will reach the elo you deserve.
create a champ pool that has a lot of solo-carry potential, focus on getting as strong as you can and taking/controlling objectives, /mute all if team starts flaming or raging, and they should follow your lead when they see how well you're doing unless the game is too far gone or they surrender before it becomes effective.
The problem is not only of 1 person, normally involves all the team because even though you give the correct advises of choices and macro movement sometimes nobody will listen(for example after laning phase rotations)
I think a lot of us subconsciously understand or utilise these principles but don't quite make all the connections. Having it all laid out here is so enabling for me. That quick diagram of "collection zone" and "pressure zone" makes so much sense; I can't wait to get flamed for trying to put it into practice.
It all comes down to relative champion strength toward the person he’s facing, lane assignment (team effort but basically the guy with tp take the lane the further away from objective - botlane mid - midlane the remaining lane), people not getting caught
You also need to play in a game where the ennemy has the same thoughts process as you, therefore it’s not so efficient in low elo.
Low elo is just about 1v9, catch people off and win of that.
From D3+ you can start to play the macro game and win with that
"the Morgana supp botlane is probably the worst lane assignment that we've seen ALL WEEK"
Meanwhile, every single day...
The Problem in Scenes like 7:10 is that a Gold Yorick will propably go for the 2v1 on Botlane instat of Clearing the wave and waiting for his Team to support him if needed. I like the Videos of this Chanel very much and i learn a lot. But ist hard to do like Diamond Macro Plays if ur Team has no clue what to do and only Flames u if u try to explain/do calls.
Question here is, how does one, with so little experience in the game, know which macro decision to make? Yes, it seems obvious when you point it out in this video what they do wrong but for 10/13 games I have played, none of these things happened at my elo (SILVER 2). I had been ahead, but whenever I try to do the whole "collection zone-> pressure zone" with my J4 it just becomes a train wreck as my team just dies if I don't group up with them and I end up wasting time having to TP or walk to the lane of the team fight.
Wow. As a Yorick main, I made all the right choices throughout the video (for once). First video where I was right about everything. Usually I get everything wrong. xD
Pretty simple. Match the split thats your job. always. Be the split or match the split.
Not gonna lie, I didn't even know what macro was/is. This has been informative.
I actually think Vladimir bot is the first best choice, and the way I would’ve played it. Shen being top allows a play around dragon to be made far more optimally than any other grouping; herald is long dead by the time Vladimir would’ve been near it.
6 min mark is the problem with na solo queue. the "correct" play only leads to tempo and priority over dragon, while the wrong play nets the same as well as two kills.
I don't see how I can make macro decisions based around coin flip decision making
7:17 awfully bold of you to assume yuumi and lucian wouldn't keep pushing that tower there. Plenty of times they would and don't even have a clue zed was gone from mid in the first place xD
In high elo games top would be the right move no questions asked because people all do the right things. But assuming lucian yuumi aren't just as bad as you are can cost you an inhib here. He most definitely shouldn't have kept farming that wave together with the yorik though.
That was pretty bad because he could've still done a way quicker rotation top after getting the info they were actually pulling away from that turret and get a part of that juicy top wave still. Even if he doesn't get the cs at that point he will still be a safety net for the xin zhao that's farming his crugs up there and plan a 2man gank on mid using their vision wall in topriver once someone shows up to defend that tower from vayne and morgana.
Wow. I'm thinking to so many of my games where I have seen or done mistakes like these...
God damn RIP to the LP.
Darryl Minaker same
You could have been challenger by now.
Im an adc player and the part that affects me the most is the mid laner freezing the lane after minions on bot begin to push and me and my supp get killed by 3 or sometimes even 4 guys. This happens almost every second match in gold elo. And the other thing is me going mid At around 20 mins with my supp because i know i have to be there to be useful for the Team but the mid laner is staying mid and denying me farm. After a few mins he keeps farming and i go bot to catch a Big wave cos nobody does it and in the meantime a random teamfight broke out which we lost, because we had no adc and the adc is the teams constant dmg. Thats why i sometimes decide to stay mid and loose more then 50 cs, just to be able to Help when a random teamfight breaks out. This means the mid laner is slowly going to take the own adc out of the game.
What do you do when you go to a side lane and your teammates immediately go into 5v4 and die instantly making it so the whole team and can just rotate on you so you have to recall
one of the better vids on this channel
11:30 Galaxy Slayer Nyan Zed looks amazing.
Nice tutorial and observation, i would wonder how this aproach can work for a jungle? can they also use it or it's totally different? Some jung champs with some items are good for split push sometimes from what i notice but usually they are going with team for help or ganks...
One GIGANTIC mistake I see low elo players make all the time is not pushing objectives after a completely one sided team fight. You kill 3 of them, all waves are pushed, the caitlyn decides it's a good time to shop with those 3 kills instead of killing an inhib before they respawn and the jungler decides it's a good time to farm our wolves instead of Baron.
It's unbelievable how stupidly often people below gold do this but I see it in my partners low elo games all the time.
Learning what order to engage in team fights was a huge turning point for me. 3 seconds gives the other team enough to to tunnel vision your tank while you wipe their backline. People don't know how to change focus mid fight in low elo
You kind of talked about it but I think it didnt got pointed out enough, that the biggest macro problem on low elo is RANDOM DECISIONS, not actually putting thought on where you are going and what you should actually do next. If you actially put 3 seconds of thought on fountain looking at the state of the game, its probab pretty simple to realize where you should go. A lot of times i see a team finally gsther around for an object and them they see 1 guy spliting and the whole team go stop the split like DONT. DONT. DONT.
What if, as SoloQ teams do, all 3 waves are being picked up randomly by my teammates and I have nowhere to go? Best to share a wave on the strong side or should I accept that I have been demoted to shadowing them until one is gracious enough to leave the lane for me?
First game:
First part - Why doesn't Caitlyn just "collect" waves and back off? She went into "Pressure zone" and got killed. Kind of her own fault.
Second part - When Vlad and Eve were killing Nasus, they didn't even need Thresh, so it's Thresh's fault for leaving Caitlyn alone.
(not trying to defend Vlad, just something I noticed)
I know what you mean and guess u are right but I think he was explaining how u have impact on that. Obviously the other players in that elo aren't playing it perfectly aswell, so u can do this and that to avoid it happening that way
This is very informative but it just won't work as a tool to escape low elo.
Do you really think that if Zed had gone top, the rest would accomodate and go to the correct lanes? Fuck no, they would just all stick to wherever they were and they would have 2 or 3 people pushing one lane, sharing gold and exp.
The only way to escape low elo is to improve your csing and split pushing. Ignore your team and just push/farm until you win. It's the only way.
So the typical "swap with toplane, bot" when botlane have destroyed there tower isn't the best option?
Should they go mid next?
i think it depends on what kind of lanes you have going on in top or mid, if you have a mage with strong wave clear but weak roaming, I.E. Anivia, its better to swap with your top and to just leave mid to keep pressure on the mid lane, although if your top lane is a huge bully like jayce, kennen, or teemo, and they are laning vs something like a nasus who is already struggling to farm just at their own turret, then swapping, or just joining your mid in pushing, might be the better option.
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Wait does yas also have to push until the 2nd bot tower and rotate to mid ??? He should take the assassin route right??
2:05 ideal thing would be shen top Cait thresh mid and vlad bot (rift isn't up) ocean drk is up
In terms of macro, it appears this video reinforces support and jungle as my strongest (nevermind the laning, which jg is my worst), I think this will help me play assassins, mages, and bruisers better. I started to catch on to the macro trends of pressure, and I cannot believe its this simple. Hopefully I can shotcall better in my ranked games with this! There are quite a few games where we've squandered leads.
7:28 we have no information to tell because we don't know if Yorick can handle Lucian+yummi. its gold elo, probably Lucian didn't even noticed zed missing, so there's a chance they continue pushing. If Yorick is 0/2 and Lucian+yummi 4/2 in gold elo, i can easily lost inhibitor by going top.
I'm not saying this videos is wrong, i just said we had no information to be sure this was the right decision.
Yea if Zed was 99/0 he should have gone fore 1vs5.
First clip with Vlad is wrong. Here's why, Thresh and Evelynn are already taking the rift herald. Vlad needs to be bot, Shen needs to be top, Caitlyn and Thresh need to be mid, and Evelynn needs to be hoovering botside. Vlad ( assuming he has ignite and not teleport ) Will take longer to travel to dragon if a fight starts out than Shen who can just ult if a fight breaks out. Caitlyn and Thresh need to be playing toward the botside of the map, after Evelynn drops the rift herald top instantly after taking it, then running to dragon, leaving Shen to pressure top push with rift.
in short, Thresh and Eve take rift, drop it top to take the turret as Shen goes top to threaten T2 turret, At this point Vlad has pushed the bot wave which will crash in the middle of bot lane, then he falls back to take drag with Eve, Cait and Thresh, then finally they rotate bot because the wave is pushing for them into the T2 turret, with Shen pulling pressure top with rift.
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Hi im muhittin then they immediately die because they went in 4v5
@Sync Grave Naw, dude, they die because they went against the winning team that has item and level advantage, then blame you because there's no one that's EVER won a 4v5. If you had just been there everything would have been different, all of their shitty builds and missed skill shots would have landed and you'd have aced 100% every time.
how do i as adc deal with midlaner staying 36 min on midlane, i either share farm and exp and slowly loose the game or go side lane and even if i manage to get some farm there without dying to mid/top my team is going to fight 4v4 over some blue and loose, i can literaly spam midlaner for 15 min to leave mid, then tell my team dont fight im going to pickup farm bot and theyll run it down and dive 4v5
Hey. Mind if I throw out a video idea? Considering Zed (50.5% avg) and Yasuo (52% avg) have "huge" win rates in the lower elos, despite both being mechanically intense, my idea is: a why the winrate is as high, a how to deal with them as a low elo player (most I see give advice as if the player against those two is a higher elo), Seeker's why/why not? Basically, the how to deal with them for people who don't know. The idea came from a comment I've seen on the boards that sounded like "if you can't deal with them, they you are low elo", which their win rates kinda prove to be right (except for Zed, but he needs nerfs to his passive anyway).
I know it's a bit different from what types of videos you usually do, but since no-one actually does them "correctly", and your video method with game plans and how to execute them is genius, I feel like you guys could make the best video helping lower elo players actually deal with these two. A basic "as a mage do this/as an assassin do this/as a bruiser do this" type of thing.
Zed and Yas are one tricked or played a lot in low elo, people just have more time to practise those champs hence the "high" win rates. I already learned Azir, Yas, Zed and Draven by the time I hit Gold. You deal with Zed by buying Zhonyas if you can, items like PD, GA or Steraks would also help if you're an ad champ due to the lifeline or whatever passive that saves you from burst. Yasuo really isn't that difficult to kill, tabi's and a frozen heart, an exhaust or a little bit of cc goes a long way to kill him and Zed; if you're lucky then your tank or support would've built Frozen heart or Randuins for the attack speed debuff that increases Yasuo's CD on Q as it decreases only by atk spd.
I didn't say that I can't deal with them, for me particularly it's easy due to play Taliyah a lot and since she's rarely played I haven't yet met a person who knows how to lane against me, yet as you said, those two are played a hella lot, I get to deal with them (Yasuo: "WTF RIOT NERF TALIYAH")
The reason I gave this suggestion as being a more in depth video is for others to learn better. Those two are common, and although they get played a lot, I don't believe they should have the win rates they have, but hey, not my place to say good or bad, but for people to have an actually in depth guide on how to would be nice. It's not just about "buy Zhonya", as many don't know how to identify their moments of weakness, etc. Heck, Zed's a pain because of how he plays, he always lets the wave push to him just so he can WEQ harass and be safe because he's so close to his tower, and he doesn't need to manage his wave anyway, as unless the creep is one shot by the tower, he can last hit it due to his passive.
@@c.c.anubis You just stated why they have a high win rate that they shouldn't have in low elo, many people don't know how to identify their moments of weakness as you said.
I know, that's why I suggested the video. When someone complains about Zed on the boards for example, all you get are either "yea he's OP" or "you're just bad". Most "constructive" comment you get is "build Seeker's", but Seeker's alone won't do much if the player doesn't know how to deal with Zed in the first place. It'll slow Zed down a tad, but other than that, it's nada, so why not actually give players an actual video guide on how to deal with them? A game plan for each of the 3 main classes taken mid, some info for side laners, etc. Skill Capped would be the best at doing this vid.
@@c.c.anubis I have to agree though, low elo players or at least a handful say that a champ is too op cause they got butt fucked because they didn't build correctly or don't know how to deal with the champ. It's just hard for Skill Capped to make low elo videos as you already know, low elo is pretty toxic.
5:25 Vlad pushing that next wave isn't really that bad it took 10 seconds and could have taken 8 if he positioned properly.
It's his rotation into raptors that is stupid. He could easily go bot and collect the wave nasus pushed while grabbing dragon vision on his way down.
That raptor rotation is the actual problem.
Thank you so much! You dont know how your videos are helping me! I was B4 last week and today i´m B2... Some can think that this is not a big deal, but for me... I stoped to die, plus i´m winning my lane... thank you again!
right, but what do you do when your team is just collecting lanes and not pushing or running through jungle. What do you do when your team keeps playing the laning phase at 25 minutes
The music, what are they called (title of songs)? It is very supportive to your informative video. I wanna know.
actually this happens multiple times & everygame in low/mid dia
what do u think about akali's changes will she be a better solo q pick ?
I'm new to this game, but it seems as if the main objective is to control the map and keep enemies pressured on all lanes correct?
For the "what can my champ do in a sidelane " Part, you gave extreme examples for both collection and pressure champs. But what about a tier3 core Viktor with rylais? He has some Kind of Mobility and the 1v1 Potential isnt that Bad. What should i do with him?
Viktor can sidelane, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he should. He's also a very strong waveclear champion, so if waveclear is lacking as a group - it may give up too much mid pressure for Viktor to push into the pressure zone. If you have a Sivir or Jinx etc though, then go nuts!
Thank you very much :)
So, for example, you have that zed in your team, and he starts that team fight, as his teammate, what to do?, follow him and hope for the best?, or abandon him and survive?
just ping retreat and if he doesn't, fuck him. least that's what I do
Spam retreat ping
Wow finally a video that is actually educational, not the standard "farm better" bullshit. Awesome job
kind of disagree on the lane assignment: having ad+supp in toplane is better imo since they have more pressure on the last standing outer turret compared to a vlad. Also they are pretty safe even in a long sidelane with cait range + thresh waiting behind her with lantern, so theres no problem with that. In addition to this it does not rly matter if their support provides vision control over both top and botside since theres only a shitty clowndrake which id trade for top t1 tower+herald anytime.
Vlad should be hardshoving midwave to move topside tho, jgler should be playing around topside aswell. Shen has R can just sit in base n wait who picks this boring ass support champ in toplane...
But honestly, if you ask me its bullshit to try tell those players anything about macrogame, it does not really work that well in soloq anyways and it is way easier to climb by improving your own mechanical skill level etc. at first. Go in practice tool, practice csing, play arams to get to know limits of more champions and just learn to play fights properly there.
Gren Schoneich agreed.. I hope bot laners don’t start spam pinging me to lane swap as Anivia or xerath when they should be swapping with top
1:51 pretty sure that's cait's fault for overextending with no vision lol
"And have secured pressure in the side lane, instead he goes in the jungle to kill wolves"
That sentence just sounds incredibly silly. He's talking about all the strategies zed needs to do in order to carry the game, it sounds super smart and awesome, but he takes wolves
This vid is good overall but I won't agree with every thing he said. There's nothing wrong with taking wolves when you're on way to open lane as top was at that moment. You lose 10 seconds and gain free exp and gold. Just look at worlds - every midlaner is taking as much camps as he can get.
It's a fair point. If you have decent vision of the area and can quickly clear them, taking a jungle camp is free xp you're denying the enemies.
PLEASE MORE OF THESE
But how does teemo fit into it ?
Is'nt it better for cait to go top in the beggining since both tier 1 towers were up and therefore they have the highest chanse to get presure but still be safe?
Thank you for this video I'm an Azir main and should I risk pushing a lot in side lanes ?
If you can Shuriman shuffle it's fine but stay glued to your mini map. If you don't have vision of the enemy be careful not to push too far or you will get 1v enemy team
You're saying this as if I get to choose which lanes my teammates go to. At the beginning you said Vlad should have gone top. But Shen was already moving there. So it makes no sense to go top as Vlad would have to share cs with Shen.
I feel like the decisions they *should* take, are way too reliant on their other teamates also knowing what to do. I can 100% guarentee you what would happen in EUW plat, you would go top, and ask vayne to get farm mid, and she will ping u to fall back (with flame too for that extra spice).
Vayne and flaming is only natural tho it seems
Below D3 there's literally next to no knowledge on macro
Those are rookie numbers
learned a bunch of macro tricks -> happy -> opened up a rank game -> picked your favorite champ -> got first blood by making the correct macro choice -> careful laning -> saw enemy 9/0/4 draven before turret plate falls -> ff uninstall
Reality :
- if cait come mid, vlad would spam ping, threaten to afk and ask in all chat to report her
- if vlad goes top:
a) shen would spam ping, threaten to afk and ask in all chat to report him
b) shen would go top and try to contest the creeps to vlad,
c) tresh and eve would just keep doing what they're doing, then recall
d) cait would get collapsed on, or just recall after she finishes the red buff.
e) enemy team would make the drake
You can't control what other people are doing. It's too easy to imagine the perfect situation where everyone is doing the optimal thing. The reality of low elo is not like that.
Now, given the current position of other players in the map (other players that you cannot move or control) vlad is in the most optimal position:
1) he is near cait and the drake
2) he cant go bot and farm the creeps because cait would immediately start to contest the creeps if she sees him going for them ("oh no ! he's gonna take MY creeps ! ping ping ping"). Also, there is a risk for her to go AFK because you steal her creeps
3) going top , where eve, tresh and shen are already, would be giving a free drake to the enemy.
I'll agree that he is making a mistake freezing, though.
What would be interesting is to know how one can make the difference when the rest of the team is ARAMing. And there is only 2 possibilities: get insanely fed and crush the team fights, or get insanely fed and split push.
Yeah but you forget. Those choices are gonna work out in high ELO. In low ELO, Vlad would have pushed Nasus while his team would engage a 2v4, get themselves all killed, the enemy would roam to Dragon, Vlad would try to steal it, fail and die.
2:22 "Vladimir chooses to engage".. Doesn't look like an engage to me..
More like a " Hey I'm gonna help Thresh, surely Evelynn and Shen will come too - oh right, you can't rely on your team in League, shit I forgot".
Following a "?" pingstorm on Evelynn and Shen.
So most assassins want to go to the backline with a flank, right? Which assassins are not like this?
Is this Vladimir Plat 4 or Plat 1,in which region? Because there 's a huge difference.
It seems gold 2 / gold 1 EUW average level.
plat 4 in euw
but my team wont stay in mid they just follow you or mindlesly wander in the jungle i swear
Thank you very much, very nice lessons and didatic. This channel rocks!
I disagree with your statement that it's vladimir's mistake that caitlyn was alone mid around 6:00. Thresh followed vlad and left her alone, not the other way around.
I love these lessons
Please make more of these
Low Elo players never make so complicated choices, they decide to push a lane , never know when to fall back, they follow stupid teamates who go 1v3 and if you try to swap lanes you will get flamed. And Platinum is not that Low, at least not anymore.
Even if these are the correct choices vlad needs to make, you can’t control your adc.
‘Cait go mid with thresh whilst we push side lanes’
Cait : no I go bot for solo exp
It’s just a nightmare, you don’t have control over your team mates when it comes to low elo macro.
that's the biggest problem I have with this vid tbh, it relies far too much on the teamates actually knowing what they should also do
@@jackwood7726 most probably people will listen to you asking them to go to other lane respectfully, they dont have to know exactly why, but if you do ask with respect, they listen, from time to time, i play in my low elo accounts (i'm a challenger Euw), actually silver and gold elo are the easiest players to convince, just be polite and call the right things, it will eventually work.
@@bkekria1 Yeah you are right, accept I'm high/mid plat EUW and the arrogance is insane and no one will listen to you. Also if you're challenger, why you here lol
@@jackwood7726 i want to improve in any possible way, you can always do better no matter what is your elo. Learning is the key, every month there's new macros and new item paths with each patch, you have to keep up to date to be in the high tiers, or you'll eventually fall and get to be washed up with the time.
@@bkekria1 I wasn't doubting u lol, was just curious. But I hate climbing in ranked, this is my second season doing ranked. Over both seasons i've had a combined 50 games lmao
I think even if Zed pushes top instead of going for that engage behind dragon, team will probably still fight 4v5 and then flame him for being top while enemy team crushes mid towers
The thing is not only vlad did mistakes... okay i get it your ahead go sidelane BUT when was the last time a 1 3 1 worked in solo q? Even in challenger... and this is obv plat right. Okay lets recap his team is doing rift enemys don't contest so he should have shoved botlane to prepare drake and let shen top bcs he can easy come drake with either tp or ult and they would have saved herald. That's just what I would do in this situation. But tbh your right but botlane should go get botside vision to prepare drake or to prepare to contest the drake and reset after that. In this scenario thresh should never leave cait alone and vlad should never need help to zone a nasus or even to kill him. This vlad just got outclassed by the enemy macro game bcs he had no clue what to do. Same for eve and thresh tho
Thank you for this informational material. My natural reaction is go watch pro play and see their macro. Can I ask if you can make a similar video for support?
On gold elo seeing assasin mid on your team is a nightmare, literally no one knows how to split push and if you dont end the game below 20 minutes it is gone.
mby i do somthing wrong, but when i step on sidelane they will fight and die no matter what, and then blame me for *farming whole game*
While that was going on, zed chooses to farm jungle and spends almost 1min without an objective.
- THAT'S ME, THAT'S ME RIGHT THERE
i disagree with so much of this, I'm only a low-elo player myself but for example why would'nt you want the shen to go top after you secured rift herald when dragon is up and 0 vision was build up (especially ocean which could proof quiet useful in a sustain/siege heavy comp)
EDIT: I'm not hating on the vid, it's a great video which helped me a lot as well. There were just a lot of parts which confused me and I wrote this comments to maybe get some insight on the issues I've had with the video.
Shen has a crossmap ulti and by splitting he's hoping to get somebody to answer his split push so he can tp to a 5v4, this also creates bot lane pressure so the enemy team either has to answer a Shen split push who likely has demolish or a herald push from the rest of their team. Vlad's team would likely win any fight that broke out if Vlad went top lane.
And then there’s my teammates,thinking teamfights are more important than defending towers