Your passion transforms the rifles we already use and love into better equipment even after 50 years like the leverevolution did for my beloved Marlin 336 30-30. Thank you.
Would love it if you guys would start listing the bullet O.A. length & seating depth, for case inclusion. Also required velocity for proper expansion without having to email to ask all the time. That information should already be on a reloading component in my opinion. Love your products and by far I use more Hornady than anything.
Been using copper and copper alloy for 30 years to include 7 African animals. They go in the size of the caliber and exit twice the size. They go through shoulders and still exit the other side. The hydro dynamic shock, in between, is devastating and you have two holes pouring blood. You also, don't have flakes of lead or jacket in the meat. I will give the CX a try! Still waiting for the 223, 55gr sp's, to be in stock, for prairie doggin this summer.😜
Hi guys, I'm new to shooting & hunting and recently bought a 6.5 PRC Savage 110 Tactical (wanted a bigger magazine tbh). Then I went out and bought a few different flavors of ammo (143 ELDX, 140 Nosler, 130 CX) to try out different options. I'm really looking forward to hunting with the CX bullets. Got a Burris Veracity PH scope to match. Super excited. Love your podcast.
It would be helpful if you would start listing the Minimum Expansion Velocities for your bullets in the specifications. It's a bit part of picking the appropriate hunting bullet to load with.
And now for the rest of the story. My subsistence hunting battery will be a 30/30 with FTX and LVR, 6.5x55 with 130CX and StaBall 6.5 and said 300 Weatherby. I am a retired teacher and totally impressed by how articulate you all are. Let me know if you want to share a campfire in Canada,eh.
I am 70 years old and have just bought a 300 Weatherby with 21 inch barrel and Mannlicher style stock. You just convinced me to shoot 165CX at somewhat reduced velocity to reduce recoil. If you think getting components in the US is tricky try living in Alberta where a local gunshop ordered 2000 pounds of powder and got 80. My lucky number is 7, so I bought a pound of IMR7977, which will last me a lifetime. My goal for 50CX bullets with 7977 is 50 moose, elk or caribou. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting to make that goal at least possible.
Hammer bullets are still my preferred bullets. Far more variety and they consistently shed petals to push through a blunt faced shank that absolutely devastates game. They’re more expensive, but they’re always in stock, ship extremely quickly, and you can talk to their owner any time during business hours if you have questions. Great company!
If a monolithic sheds all its petals and you are left with a shank they tend to be lousy killers. Had that happen to me in Namibia with GS monolithics and they were useless killers.
Gavintoobe channel, posted a video about cx bullet. the load was for 30.06 165gr cx bullet. The guest on the channel was loading them for a hunt in Africa. And developed some very nice loads with that bullet, pushing it at 2800 fps.
Hey fellas the new stuff is great and all, but please produce some 348win bullets , 35 rem bullets and keep those nice 30cal 220gr roundnose in production. Some of us like the good ol stuff too. And yes I just bought some new CX bullets in 338cal.
As far as minor diameter bore or land wear from solid copper projectiles especially one without alloys, where do we stand right now with physical documentation testing data? I know it’s going to vary dramatically depending on bare stainless barrel vs. a melonited barrel with such a hard surface treatment. Having a “relief” cut or cannalure surely helps with material displacement, but what about the other projectiles? LOVE the discussions you guys put together and LOVE THE PODCAST! Keep it up 👍
I shoot a 7mm08 ruger American started shooting a cx 7mm 139gr bullet and I love them best bullet I have shot very accurate I load them with 42.0 gr of big game ball power with a cci 250 mag primer love it my ruger is a 9 1/2 twist
I just got done setting up my CA Ridgeine 300 PRC with 1:8 twist. I put a VX6HD 3-18x44 on it. I am verry interested in this CX now.. You guys got my atention.
I have converted over to both CX and ECX bullets and they are working well but I find it very hard to find load data. There doesn't appear to be any for ECX and I'm told to use GMX data for CX. But if the CX bullet is a step forward over the GMX I would expect the load data to have changed as the difference sounds like more than when, in the past, I have compared other other very similar bullets to each other and in that satiation I have seen significant differences in load data and the most effective powders.
What we need is the Interbond bullet back and loaded in the common flavors of rifle ammunition and with the upgraded heat tip on them. The sst bullets are accurate but explosive on game and often wound large game and don't get full penetration.
@@barrymantei7795why???Interbonds are cup and core with a tiny indentation supposed to hold lead in and doesn’t.Won’t matter anyway California is no leaded bullets only now and Oregon and Washington aren’t far behind.How far off can the rest of the country be?
@@fredrickwaldon1579 respectively you are confusing interbond bullets for interlock bullets they are a totally different bullet. I use a lot of copper bullets even though legally I don't have to in Canada.
Normally I hand load for my prc ….tried a box of the cx ammo for fun….best shooting factory prc ammo I’ve ever shot. Mean radius 0.25 moa for first 20. Ordered several more boxes.
Need a copper-bismuth projectile with tungsten core. That's the future. Will be heavy enough to keep projectile short for flight stabilization in all barrel twist rates, expands fully/retains 100 % weight, and penetrates any living substances.
@@nj-bz8pv I wouldn’t assume they all took it. My company mandated it and I just told them to f-off. Called their bluff and they didn’t do Jack about it. I’ll bet my story is not an uncommon one.
I shoot an 8.6blk and hear of guys saying these won’t group well under the 1/3 twist. What about expansion. What’s the minimum velocity it’ll expand reliably
can you tell me why the new cx bullets have a lower BC than the replaced GMX? 130g .270 cx is .403. while the GMX is .460. why would would the new "better" version have lower BC?
@@Blair338RUM is it? they both have 2 grooves. but that really isnt even my question. its why make the new/better bullet have a lesser BC than what it replaced. After watching backfire TV and seeing that the ammunition companies are fudging their hunting bullets BCs, i'm guessing the GMX's BC was embellished. and was actually .403 or at least closer to that number
Wow. I was convinced the cx would be my next favorite bullet. After watching this video I have to say I have never seen so many practiced and polished absolute bullshitters in a long time. Thank you for helping me completly avoid wasting my time. Holy crap guys wipe the color off of your noses already!
1:8 Twist rate on 7mm. 160 grain bullets. My 7 rem mag 1:9 Twist damn I missed this. Glossed over it. Sucks ...I just paid over a hundred dollars for two boxes of completely worthless bullets. I ain't buying a 7mm prc.
@@johnhernandez6739just load up a few and try them.Geez you are crazy.But I do like the comment about the presenters.They talked for an hour and six plus minutes never showed firing tests gel tests or even said one word about the composition of the bullet.Even the “engineer” wouldn’t say whether the alloy was softer,harder or what if the difference would be in expansion!!!
Hi Team Hornady :) Love the format - only became aware of it due to the very popular episodes recently and heard some very interesting details about non-lead bullets. I think it was Miles who said that non-lead bullets appear to have a harder time compensating for irregularities in the barrel. A few months back I was working on a lead-free load for a 6.5Creedmoor in a Bergara B14 HMR and wasted nearly 500€ on components trying half a dozen bullets from different manufacturers (including the CX and ECX) with useless results for every single one of them. Went through three different powders, cleaned the barrel thoroughly and tried every trick in the book - would hardly hold a 2MOA group with 5 shots. Was shooting jacketed lead bullets before and after with really good results and went back to lead core bullets since. Shooting a tipped hunting bullet now that basically gave me „sub MOA“ performance from the start. Can you elaborate a little on what effects could have messed with lead-free bullets? This was a very expensive lesson for me other shooters & reloaders can hopefully skip! Btw: shooting lead-free bullets in several other rifles with great success!
Hornady has been my GoTo ammo for all of my firearms for the last 35 years . I just recently bought a Tikka T3X Hunter in 7mm-08 and 5 boxes each of Superformance 139 grain CX , Precision Hunter 150 grain ELD-X and American Whitetail 139 grain Interlock. Because of the innovation of your ammunition’s accuracy and ability to effectively take game , I am able to utilize a 7mm-08 instead of the ol .30-06 that have been using for most of my life . With Hornady ammunition, the 7mm-08 can do it all from antelope to elk .
I have recently switched to the 7mm-08. I was anxious to try the CX bullet out of my Browning Xbolt but so far I’m not impressed. My groups are literally 5” at 100 yds😢
@@longgone9869 Wow that’s quite a spread for only 100 yards . My Tikka T3X groups it all just fine ( 150 grain ELDX is the most accurate at an impressive 3/4” group ) the Whitetail 139gr is about a little over an inch and the CX 139gr is at 1 & 1/2” at 100 .
Why are these lighter weight/longer monometal bullets not coming in with faster fps than a bullet 10/15 grains heavier? ie 160gr CX vs 175 ELD-X in the 7mm PRC?
Well I'm glad you guys were out hunting I'm pretty sure you guys can get your hands on ammunition on a daily basis it'd be nice for the consumer to get their hands on ammunition especially things that were in the same damn state
Just go on the internet and get the bullets shipped to your house if you reload. As for factory made ammunition, being more “boutique” bullets , you may have more difficulty finding it. It is pretty good stuff. I went to Texas for the second time to smack hogs and all I can say is it was a massacre with these things. Between these and the Barnes bullets, I am going to finish off the soft points I have on my next trip and just stick to monolithic.
Maybe I missed it but what would be the closest non cx equivalent to use as a cheaper practice round while building loads that could then be truthed with the real deal?
Can't wait to try these because the 150grain 308 lead free I use now works but when it hits inside of 300 yards he literally grenades inside a deer..... perfect boiler shots I end up losing tenderloin or guts cut from shrapnel.
you have lead free bullets breaking up inside the animal? i thought that was the entire point to these rounds. weight retention. the CX is what i'm thinking about setting up for my sons new rifle in .308
I feel like manufactures are so focused on new tech in the middle an ammo shortage. Forgetting woods hunters who don’t take shots beyond 200 yards. In turn it’s been hard to find ammo for 270 3006 etc.
Yeah that's nice that you're launching a new product but it sucks that we can't even get SST or GMX ammunition from our local ammunition dealer here in Nebraska. Things that production is in Nebraska. Why don't you go ahead and send it some of your production to Fremont Nebraska so ushunters can get out in the field and actually do what we do best hunt
HEY!!! Just now from Hornady. I just bought hundreds of the 190 grain CX bullets for my 300 Winchester Magnum. "John, this bullet is going to require a 1-8 twist to stabilize the bullet. So for every chambering that is running this as a standard twist rate we would be updating this bullet into that data. Thanks Hornady/SnapSafe Tech Team" Last week there was nothing about a far faster twist rate. Now, their online load data has just vanished! I have a printout of it from last Thursday. What's going on Hornady?
So i am waiting for a box of 139 grain CX’s to come in to work up loads for my daughter’s 7mm-08. Is it still good practice to seat the bullets .050” off of the lands like other monolithic bullets?
You will have to research that for your caliber. As an example I shoot a .270 win and the available factory Ammo with the CX bullets only come in 130 grain not 150. This is because the twist rate to stabilize a bullet depends on the length of the bullet not the weight. Copper alloy being lighter it will be a longer bullet compared to the same weight lead core round.
We want the gmx back! That was a monolithic at a fair price, now i shoot barnes because i cant afford $50 a box, PLEASE BRING THE GMX BACK, give an affordable version too, not just high end
But in all honesty, you guys did too good of job with the CR. Now, you need to real these people back in. Just cause the cr has enough power to poke holes in paper at a k, they think the elk should drop. This ain't tag. It's a wild game animals whether it's deer, bear or elk. The 6.5 Hornady and Ruger joint work was and still is a huge success! Great job. But the thing with business owners is they are never satisfied. As, the eye of man is never satisfied- book of proverbs. Even as Eric Cortina says, you do get more bang for your buck with the .284 cal's. I believe the 7 cr with 180 grain eldm and 175 gr eldx would change the game again. And if you don't do it first, it will be your fault. The 6.8 westerner does come close. You'd have to come out with the rifle too to match the needed twist. But you know that.... You guys did a great job with the Superforamnce powder too! Hands down one of the best. It seems to me, you guys are just trying to squeeze all you can out of the 6.5. And even with the levererution ammo. I use it in my great grandfather's 94 win 30wcf built in 1910 to put down beef when I butcher at the house. It's a good product! Anyway, I used lot of your guys products and will continue to as they become avaible. I would like to see the industry put the put the current engineering into .284 with 30tc or 308 case capacities.
So I bet Hornady Manufacturing looked at the bullets as made by the company named GS Custom and decided their designed Turned on a lathe monolithic bullets were too costly to make. So, you continued with the method that is less costly. Drive band bullets are far superior, because the body of the bullet is bore diameter while the bands are groove diameter. GS Custom makes bullets for the target shooter with the highest BC, and they make hunting bullets for both thin skin and thick skin animals, as well as flat nose Dangerous game bullets that will work though lever action rifles, as well as single shot drillings. They are almost all Drive Band bullets in calibers from .17-.50 BMG.
Gentalmen I think you also miss one opportunity for this bullet to be used for the fur hunter that is looking for a bullet that doesn't destroy hides. For a person like myself that has a predator control buisness when I need penetration at any angle but also want a bullet that doesn't destroy a valuable hide. This bullet has the potential to do both well. I hope you eventually bring out a .22 caliber bullet that would shine in a .22 Creedmoor my preferred cartridge. I will try them in both a 6 and 6.5 Creedmoors and let you know what I think after a years hunting.
they had to come out with a new bullet because the eldx is a junk bullet that comes apart, obviously the testers don't know what they're doing, the eldx bullet isn't even bonded.
EldX is an overhauled SST to get match grade characteristics like the ELDM. Match bullets aren’t bonded for best accuracy. Bonded bullets are best used when shooting very fast so that they hold together. Slow your ELDX down with less powder or a slower cartridge to reduce stress on the bullet, increase your range to reduce impact velocities, or aim for squishier shots when impact velocities will be over 2600-2700fps (neck, behind shoulder), or switch to a stouter bonded or mono bullet. I use ELDMs which are even more prone to coming apart than ELDX but as a result, they open up at even lower velocities. Works great with mild cartridges like 308 in short barrels, or at extended ranges, but same principle. Try to match the bullet toughness to your expected impact velocity.
I noticed on my older Hornady ammo with a red tip that the “polymer” tip has shrunk considerably. Will this noticeable shrinkage affect the performance of the ammo to the point where I should trash the ammo? No pun intended. I buy your Duty ammo for four different pistol calibers usually the plus P and many hunting rifles on the heavier for caliber end of the spectrum. I have a 308 that loved your light magnum ammo, but I haven’t been able to find it for years now. What would be the closest alternative to it?
I’ll give my opinion here on your first question. If the tips are deformed, it will effect your bc. Furthermore, I’ll bet no two tips deformed identically, which means your shot to shot consistency is going to be garbage. But I wouldn’t throw them out. As I see it, you’ve got two options. 1) use them for plinking loads in a non-precision setup and just have fun with them. 2) Try pulling the tips. Behind those tips us just a hollowpoint projectile. The polymer tips only exist to make the tips more consistent than an open meplat. Since they aren’t doing that anymore, just pull them out like a bad tooth. I’ll bet those bullets will shoot great without them.
Do you think it's finally time for a 6mm magnum? Or a new short action 243 replacement with a faster twist and longer bullet in the 130-140gr class. I shoot a 6.5 creed and a 243, the difference between the 2 is pretty Remarkable when you look at the bullet selection and weights. Those 100gr bullets show their age and seem to not perform as well as a 6.5 creed. I'm not a fan of the 6mm creed because the ammo is hard to find and it seems very picky on powders for reloading. I think its mainly because it wasn't optimized like the 6.5 was. It seemed like they just crammed the 6mm in there and crimped it down. The pressure spikes seem to make it very notch and creates weird cells.
Some folks like to rip the new cartridges, but being designed around longer VLD bullets, they are also more capable of handling high-BC lead-free hunting bullets, if we get forced into that.
This wss explained in the video. A monolithic copper alloy bullet has to be longer than a copper cup and lead core bullet of equal weight. It is LENGTH, not WEIGHT of the projectile that influences the twist rate required to achieve stabilized flight. Optimal twist rates will be the same for same-caliber bullets of the same overall length.
Apparently Hornady’s product research team has never bothered to get a hold of a Hammer. They are the cat’s meow of monolith bullets. The LRX boasts the best BC’s of the bunch as well. The numbers on the Hornady are disappointing.
Ron Spomer likes Hammer bullets. As much hunting experience as he has, if he says he likes something, you know you can trust it to be true. His reputation is second to none.
These commercials are really good. I will wait with my finger hovering over the skip button for every commercial on TH-cam, and I will sit here and listen and watch a one hour Hornady commercial. I live in Commiefornia, so I have to use non-lead ammo for hunting, but I'm halfway convinced that the future of performance and accuracy could be some kind of alloy.
I'm confused.. You talk about the CX line of bullets, but going off your product spec.. you fail to note the min twist rate or even the length of the bullet.. What gives?!
@@hornady thanks for getting back to me, that I formation down not exist online. I’m surprised it will work considering the 165 won’t even work with the 1:12 twist. When will the 180s be shipping out?
I am very excited to see how the 80gn cx in 243 performs on white tail I have used the Barnes until I listened to the podcast and seen that video of you guys creating the ELDX and realized how much science effort and thought was going into the product I immediately jumped on Midway USA to look for some I also appreciate the heavier 90gn is there any possibility of seeing a 100 gn in the future???
How did they spend an hour discussing wha they “figured out”? Barnes did it years and years ago.. Maybe they cam highlight how these are better than a TTSX or the Long Range version….
Shot Hornady for years, but no more. The eld-x is not a hunting bullet. The CX and gmx both suck, pickier than Barnes And the whole mandate crap was about as unamerican as you can get, and in the wrong industry
@@adamshaw8214 it shoots great out of most rifles, and we shot it a lot. But we've had jacket separation at all ranges out to 640 on small whitetail, and terrible terminal performance
Why is the .257-90 grain Gmx Bc .290 and the new CX 90 grains bc is lower at .273 and the sectional density of both are .195 this is not an improvement this is going backwards!! Even the 80 grain Barnes has a higher Bc than the 90 grain CX and Gmx!! This is why I have switched to Barnes Lrx until Hornady comes out with something comparable to the Lrx in the calibers that I shoot!!
At what distance would hunting changeTo being considered shooting? Definitely the need to have the skill and aptitude to stealthily sneak up on game has been greatly eliminated if you can kill an elk at 800 yards.
Why are you crapping on this guys? Creedmore is one of the most popular calibers out there obviously if it didn’t work it wasn’t as popular as it is?? What’s your problem?
@@titomish5914 I know right, I'm just Mr. Sunshine here... Well "tito mish", many people place over confidence in it. Just because it can make steel ring or punch a hole in paper at distance, doesn't make it an automatic killer. This ain't tag, your it (dead). Deer and elk need a certain amount of teminal ballistics to be killed properly. Several videos on youtube show game loss due to being either being under gunned or under trained. Then they blow it off saying he'll be OK I saw him chasing cows. Dooch bags! Nathan Foster of New Zealand has some of the best information out there on terminal ballistics. Another guy, The Hard Atler Hunter, is another great guy to follow. He's also from New Zealand. He just released a video where he went home empty handed. He knew his dope. He could read the gusty wind speed. He just didnt know when the gust would happen. An ethical hunter. And, whether you admit it or not, a lot of this is driven for sales. I do love, what I know about, the 7prc and the 300prc. They are modern advancements. But wind still happens. Poor set ups still happen. People are still people. The eye of man is never satisfied. That's why... And if I'm considered an A hole for what i wrote, that's fine with me.
@@jamesmooney5348 now I invite you to check ALL those video videos where hunters HARVEST deer with the caliber…. You can go and watch videos where hunters loose deer using 308,270 etcetc if you are a hunter you should have this kind of knowledge
Y'all need to make a bonded like federal terminal accent. That's the only thing ur line lacks. The eldx r good but don't hold together through bone close up. I don't like copper bullets don't shoot good outa any of my guns
I'm sorry to disagree with u all regarding the cx bullet on a 7mm prc I haven't see a video where the can shoot the outfitter cx 160 gr grouping at least one inch scarry u talking u guys have the best bullet
Why do suggest that the copper bullet is lighter ? That's Crap and you know it, a 130 gr bullet lead or copper weigh the same. We know that copper weighs less than lead so why don't you say the copper bullet is larger in size yet weighs the same as a 130 gr bullet whether it's lead or copper. That is the only point to be made ! A pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of gold !
Most advanced. ha, that's a laugh. WHY oh WHY do the Copper alloy bullets suck at expanding at lower velocities, while at max velocities almost 2/3rds of the bullet is un-deformed and doesn't even mushroom at all? I know why, because the copper alloy is still TO HARD. Why not adjust your copper alloy mixture to support expanding completely at full velocity and thus allow the bullet to expand at much lower velocities? It can be done. Stop milking the shooting industry and make the adjustment. The technology is out there.
Your passion transforms the rifles we already use and love into better equipment even after 50 years like the leverevolution did for my beloved Marlin 336 30-30. Thank you.
Would love it if you guys would start listing the bullet O.A. length & seating depth, for case inclusion. Also required velocity for proper expansion without having to email to ask all the time. That information should already be on a reloading component in my opinion. Love your products and by far I use more Hornady than anything.
I called Hornady in the late 70s with a reloading question and was put through to Joyce. I've been a customer ever since.
Same was true at Sierra and Swift (and I'm sure others well beyond the 70's).
I thought you were going to say that you ended up marrying her. lol.
@@rotisseriebear5394 Joyce Hornady was a man and the founder of the company.
@@chasrmartel4777 Oh. In my ignorance, I thought it was a woman's name. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle. Go Joe!
@@SaneAsylumJoyce Hornady, the founder of Hornady was picking up phones for other companies? Wow, this guy was just trying to find ways to kill time.
Been using copper and copper alloy for 30 years to include 7 African animals. They go in the size of the caliber and exit twice the size. They go through shoulders and still exit the other side. The hydro dynamic shock, in between, is devastating and you have two holes pouring blood. You also, don't have flakes of lead or jacket in the meat. I will give the CX a try!
Still waiting for the 223, 55gr sp's, to be in stock, for prairie doggin this summer.😜
Hi guys, I'm new to shooting & hunting and recently bought a 6.5 PRC Savage 110 Tactical (wanted a bigger magazine tbh). Then I went out and bought a few different flavors of ammo (143 ELDX, 140 Nosler, 130 CX) to try out different options. I'm really looking forward to hunting with the CX bullets. Got a Burris Veracity PH scope to match. Super excited. Love your podcast.
This is the meat and potatoes of what it takes and how you make a quality projectile this information is priceless
Brought in the A-Team for todays lesson. Great work Hornady!
Great video , glad you went George
PS. My 1963 model 336 in 44 mag works very well , guess I’m just fortunate 👍
It would be helpful if you would start listing the Minimum Expansion Velocities for your bullets in the specifications. It's a bit part of picking the appropriate hunting bullet to load with.
In this video they said, 2000 fps. for minimum expansion velocity, that was probably meant for the CX line of bullets.
And now for the rest of the story.
My subsistence hunting battery will be a 30/30 with FTX and LVR, 6.5x55 with 130CX and StaBall 6.5 and said 300 Weatherby.
I am a retired teacher and totally impressed by how articulate you all are. Let me know if you want to share a campfire in Canada,eh.
Campfire sounds nice, also located in Canada eh,
I could watch this all day if I had the time.
Thank you!
I am 70 years old and have just bought a 300 Weatherby with 21 inch barrel and Mannlicher style stock.
You just convinced me to shoot 165CX at somewhat reduced velocity to reduce recoil.
If you think getting components in the US is tricky try living in Alberta where a local gunshop ordered 2000 pounds of powder and got 80.
My lucky number is 7, so I bought a pound of IMR7977, which will last me a lifetime.
My goal for 50CX bullets with 7977 is 50 moose, elk or caribou.
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting to make that goal at least possible.
depending where in alberta I could drop you off a box im traveling through multiple times a year.
Shot a 3/4 in 15 shot group with the outfitter165 CX in 308... I was amazed!
Love all of your products, keep up the good work! 👍
This technology of a CX bullet applied to bore rider muzzleloading bullets in 40 and 45 cal would be tremendously exciteing !!!
Hammer bullets are still my preferred bullets. Far more variety and they consistently shed petals to push through a blunt faced shank that absolutely devastates game. They’re more expensive, but they’re always in stock, ship extremely quickly, and you can talk to their owner any time during business hours if you have questions. Great company!
If a monolithic sheds all its petals and you are left with a shank they tend to be lousy killers.
Had that happen to me in Namibia with GS monolithics and they were useless killers.
Gavintoobe channel, posted a video about cx bullet. the load was for 30.06 165gr cx bullet. The guest on the channel was loading them for a hunt in Africa. And developed some very nice loads with that bullet, pushing it at 2800 fps.
Hey fellas the new stuff is great and all, but please produce some 348win bullets , 35 rem bullets and keep those nice 30cal 220gr roundnose in production. Some of us like the good ol stuff too. And yes I just bought some new CX bullets in 338cal.
As far as minor diameter bore or land wear from solid copper projectiles especially one without alloys, where do we stand right now with physical documentation testing data?
I know it’s going to vary dramatically depending on bare stainless barrel vs. a melonited barrel with such a hard surface treatment. Having a “relief” cut or cannalure surely helps with material displacement, but what about the other projectiles? LOVE the discussions you guys put together and LOVE THE PODCAST! Keep it up 👍
I shoot a 7mm08 ruger American started shooting a cx 7mm 139gr bullet and I love them best bullet I have shot very accurate I load them with 42.0 gr of big game ball power with a cci 250 mag primer love it my ruger is a 9 1/2 twist
I have the same rifle, just bought it and looking to use these. Curious why the magnum primer?
This bullet in the 6mm Arc is really exciting
I just got done setting up my CA Ridgeine 300 PRC with 1:8 twist. I put a VX6HD 3-18x44 on it. I am verry interested in this CX now.. You guys got my atention.
I have converted over to both CX and ECX bullets and they are working well but I find it very hard to find load data. There doesn't appear to be any for ECX and I'm told to use GMX data for CX. But if the CX bullet is a step forward over the GMX I would expect the load data to have changed as the difference sounds like more than when, in the past, I have compared other other very similar bullets to each other and in that satiation I have seen significant differences in load data and the most effective powders.
What we need is the Interbond bullet back and loaded in the common flavors of rifle ammunition and with the upgraded heat tip on them. The sst bullets are accurate but explosive on game and often wound large game and don't get full penetration.
Most of these companies don’t really give a shit about these comments. They’re more worried about the one hit wonders
I agree we need factory ammo loaded in interbond bullets.
@@barrymantei7795why???Interbonds are cup and core with a tiny indentation supposed to hold lead in and doesn’t.Won’t matter anyway California is no leaded bullets only now and Oregon and Washington aren’t far behind.How far off can the rest of the country be?
@@fredrickwaldon1579 respectively you are confusing interbond bullets for interlock bullets they are a totally different bullet. I use a lot of copper bullets even though legally I don't have to in Canada.
@@fredrickwaldon1579 Interbonds are bonded bullets so a little different to run of the mill cup and core
Normally I hand load for my prc ….tried a box of the cx ammo for fun….best shooting factory prc ammo I’ve ever shot. Mean radius 0.25 moa for first 20. Ordered several more boxes.
Need a copper-bismuth projectile with tungsten core.
That's the future. Will be heavy enough to keep projectile short for flight stabilization in all barrel twist rates, expands fully/retains 100 % weight, and penetrates any living substances.
Let's Go Hornady.
Steve Hornady forced the "Mandate" on his company. HE CAN SMOKE A TURD.
@@nj-bz8pv Precisely.
Why in God's name would you be okay with a FORCED INJECTION...that has LIABILITY PROTECTION.
WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!
@@nj-bz8pv I wouldn’t assume they all took it. My company mandated it and I just told them to f-off. Called their bluff and they didn’t do Jack about it. I’ll bet my story is not an uncommon one.
@@Strelnikov10 same I said id leave laptop and phone on he desk and fuck off they told me to calm down and relax no jab for me
What mandate?
@@chadwallace3598 Mandatory CLOT SHOTS.
Lead free is a huge thing for us in CALIFORNIA because not many high quality lead free.
What do you mainly use here in cal? I use the winchester copper xp for my 270 now I’m looking for the best option for my new 6.5 creedmore
Copper rounds have been out quite a while. Now let's see if and when they will be readily available.
I was planning on using ELD-X for whitetail this year, but I will try the CX if I can find them in stock anywhere.
Did you end up trying them? I found some 308 165s but haven’t tested them yet.
@@phild9813last year I shot 2 deer with 308 150 grn. CX bullets performed great .
I shoot an 8.6blk and hear of guys saying these won’t group well under the 1/3 twist. What about expansion. What’s the minimum velocity it’ll expand reliably
can you tell me why the new cx bullets have a lower BC than the replaced GMX? 130g .270 cx is .403. while the GMX is .460. why would would the new "better" version have lower BC?
It’s the grooves, mate
@@Blair338RUM is it? they both have 2 grooves. but that really isnt even my question. its why make the new/better bullet have a lesser BC than what it replaced. After watching backfire TV and seeing that the ammunition companies are fudging their hunting bullets BCs, i'm guessing the GMX's BC was embellished. and was actually .403 or at least closer to that number
Is the 130gr cx going to be offered in the 6.5 Creedmoor? The 120 gr is available but I haven't seen the 130
Wow. I was convinced the cx would be my next favorite bullet. After watching this video I have to say I have never seen so many practiced and polished absolute bullshitters in a long time. Thank you for helping me completly avoid wasting my time. Holy crap guys wipe the color off of your noses already!
It’s their company podcast. Of course they’re going to try to sell their product.
1:8 Twist rate on 7mm. 160 grain bullets. My 7 rem mag 1:9 Twist damn I missed this. Glossed over it. Sucks ...I just paid over a hundred dollars for two boxes of completely worthless bullets. I ain't buying a 7mm prc.
@@johnhernandez6739just load up a few and try them.Geez you are crazy.But I do like the comment about the presenters.They talked for an hour and six plus minutes never showed firing tests gel tests or even said one word about the composition of the bullet.Even the “engineer” wouldn’t say whether the alloy was softer,harder or what if the difference would be in expansion!!!
Do you have any pics of cx used on elk at various ranges?
Do they make any 8 mm. Or .325 for my 325WSM.? I know it’s not a high priority round.
Hi Team Hornady :) Love the format - only became aware of it due to the very popular episodes recently and heard some very interesting details about non-lead bullets. I think it was Miles who said that non-lead bullets appear to have a harder time compensating for irregularities in the barrel. A few months back I was working on a lead-free load for a 6.5Creedmoor in a Bergara B14 HMR and wasted nearly 500€ on components trying half a dozen bullets from different manufacturers (including the CX and ECX) with useless results for every single one of them. Went through three different powders, cleaned the barrel thoroughly and tried every trick in the book - would hardly hold a 2MOA group with 5 shots.
Was shooting jacketed lead bullets before and after with really good results and went back to lead core bullets since. Shooting a tipped hunting bullet now that basically gave me „sub MOA“ performance from the start. Can you elaborate a little on what effects could have messed with lead-free bullets? This was a very expensive lesson for me other shooters & reloaders can hopefully skip!
Btw: shooting lead-free bullets in several other rifles with great success!
Missing .264 and other CX Bullets in the Applied Ballistics Data. Does it collide with 4DOF ?
Hornady has been my GoTo ammo for all of my firearms for the last 35 years . I just recently bought a Tikka T3X Hunter in 7mm-08 and 5 boxes each of Superformance 139 grain CX , Precision Hunter 150 grain ELD-X and American Whitetail 139 grain Interlock.
Because of the innovation of your ammunition’s accuracy and ability to effectively take game , I am able to utilize a 7mm-08 instead of the ol .30-06 that have been using for most of my life . With Hornady ammunition, the 7mm-08 can do it all from antelope to elk .
I have recently switched to the 7mm-08. I was anxious to try the CX bullet out of my Browning Xbolt but so far I’m not impressed. My groups are literally 5” at 100 yds😢
@@longgone9869 Wow that’s quite a spread for only 100 yards . My Tikka T3X groups it all just fine ( 150 grain ELDX is the most accurate at an impressive 3/4” group ) the Whitetail 139gr is about a little over an inch and the CX 139gr is at 1 & 1/2” at 100 .
Why are these lighter weight/longer monometal bullets not coming in with faster fps than a bullet 10/15 grains heavier? ie 160gr CX vs 175 ELD-X in the 7mm PRC?
Well I'm glad you guys were out hunting I'm pretty sure you guys can get your hands on ammunition on a daily basis it'd be nice for the consumer to get their hands on ammunition especially things that were in the same damn state
Just go on the internet and get the bullets shipped to your house if you reload. As for factory made ammunition, being more “boutique” bullets , you may have more difficulty finding it. It is pretty good stuff. I went to Texas for the second time to smack hogs and all I can say is it was a massacre with these things. Between these and the Barnes bullets, I am going to finish off the soft points I have on my next trip and just stick to monolithic.
Maybe I missed it but what would be the closest non cx equivalent to use as a cheaper practice round while building loads that could then be truthed with the real deal?
130 grn may not stabilize in a grendel 8 twist. 120 gmx were very accurate and borderline stability. Any plan of a monolithic grendel bullet?
Can't wait to try these because the 150grain 308 lead free I use now works but when it hits inside of 300 yards he literally grenades inside a deer..... perfect boiler shots I end up losing tenderloin or guts cut from shrapnel.
you have lead free bullets breaking up inside the animal? i thought that was the entire point to these rounds. weight retention. the CX is what i'm thinking about setting up for my sons new rifle in .308
I feel like manufactures are so focused on new tech in the middle an ammo shortage. Forgetting woods hunters who don’t take shots beyond 200 yards. In turn it’s been hard to find ammo for 270 3006 etc.
Yeah that's nice that you're launching a new product but it sucks that we can't even get SST or GMX ammunition from our local ammunition dealer here in Nebraska.
Things that production is in Nebraska.
Why don't you go ahead and send it some of your production to Fremont Nebraska so ushunters can get out in the field and actually do what we do best hunt
HEY!!! Just now from Hornady. I just bought hundreds of the 190 grain CX bullets for my 300 Winchester Magnum. "John, this bullet is going to require a 1-8 twist to stabilize the bullet. So for every chambering that is running this as a standard twist rate we would be updating this bullet into that data. Thanks
Hornady/SnapSafe Tech Team" Last week there was nothing about a far faster twist rate. Now, their online load data has just vanished! I have a printout of it from last Thursday. What's going on Hornady?
So i am waiting for a box of 139 grain CX’s to come in to work up loads for my daughter’s 7mm-08. Is it still good practice to seat the bullets .050” off of the lands like other monolithic bullets?
Yep, the CX's typically do well with a good amount of jump. .050" and work away from the lands further if you need to.
So does this mean the normal traditional twist rates for these calibers would have to be changed to shoot these specific bullet?
Best question here.
You will have to research that for your caliber. As an example I shoot a .270 win and the available factory Ammo with the CX bullets only come in 130 grain not 150. This is because the twist rate to stabilize a bullet depends on the length of the bullet not the weight. Copper alloy being lighter it will be a longer bullet compared to the same weight lead core round.
We want the gmx back! That was a monolithic at a fair price, now i shoot barnes because i cant afford $50 a box, PLEASE BRING THE GMX BACK, give an affordable version too, not just high end
Can you shoot in a30-06 Springfield 10 to 1 twist.
But in all honesty, you guys did too good of job with the CR. Now, you need to real these people back in. Just cause the cr has enough power to poke holes in paper at a k, they think the elk should drop. This ain't tag. It's a wild game animals whether it's deer, bear or elk.
The 6.5 Hornady and Ruger joint work was and still is a huge success! Great job. But the thing with business owners is they are never satisfied. As, the eye of man is never satisfied- book of proverbs.
Even as Eric Cortina says, you do get more bang for your buck with the .284 cal's.
I believe the 7 cr with 180 grain eldm and 175 gr eldx would change the game again. And if you don't do it first, it will be your fault. The 6.8 westerner does come close. You'd have to come out with the rifle too to match the needed twist. But you know that....
You guys did a great job with the Superforamnce powder too! Hands down one of the best. It seems to me, you guys are just trying to squeeze all you can out of the 6.5.
And even with the levererution ammo. I use it in my great grandfather's 94 win 30wcf built in 1910 to put down beef when I butcher at the house. It's a good product!
Anyway, I used lot of your guys products and will continue to as they become avaible. I would like to see the industry put the put the current engineering into .284 with 30tc or 308 case capacities.
So I bet Hornady Manufacturing looked at the bullets as made by the company named GS Custom and decided their designed Turned on a lathe monolithic bullets were too costly to make. So, you continued with the method that is less costly. Drive band bullets are far superior, because the body of the bullet is bore diameter while the bands are groove diameter. GS Custom makes bullets for the target shooter with the highest BC, and they make hunting bullets for both thin skin and thick skin animals, as well as flat nose Dangerous game bullets that will work though lever action rifles, as well as single shot drillings. They are almost all Drive Band bullets in calibers from .17-.50 BMG.
Awesome products from Hornady!
Going to give it a try. Old gmx had a reputation of not being as accurate
Still cant find 6mm ARC ammo in my local stores. How about working on that Hornady.
What is the reccomnded fps for full expansion. Would 6.5-300 weatherby push this bullet to fast.
2000 fps for minimum expansion velocity. The 130 grain should be really good in your 6.5-300
Gentalmen I think you also miss one opportunity for this bullet to be used for the fur hunter that is looking for a bullet that doesn't destroy hides. For a person like myself that has a predator control buisness when I need penetration at any angle but also want a bullet that doesn't destroy a valuable hide. This bullet has the potential to do both well. I hope you eventually bring out a .22 caliber bullet that would shine in a .22 Creedmoor my preferred cartridge. I will try them in both a 6 and 6.5 Creedmoors and let you know what I think after a years hunting.
I'm not a fan of the gmx I couldn't get it to group well and didn't expand well. I'll try these cx on gel when we find them on the shelves
What is the depth of the cavity in the CX?
they had to come out with a new bullet because the eldx is a junk bullet that comes apart, obviously the testers don't know what they're doing, the eldx bullet isn't even bonded.
EldX is an overhauled SST to get match grade characteristics like the ELDM. Match bullets aren’t bonded for best accuracy. Bonded bullets are best used when shooting very fast so that they hold together. Slow your ELDX down with less powder or a slower cartridge to reduce stress on the bullet, increase your range to reduce impact velocities, or aim for squishier shots when impact velocities will be over 2600-2700fps (neck, behind shoulder), or switch to a stouter bonded or mono bullet. I use ELDMs which are even more prone to coming apart than ELDX but as a result, they open up at even lower velocities. Works great with mild cartridges like 308 in short barrels, or at extended ranges, but same principle. Try to match the bullet toughness to your expected impact velocity.
I noticed on my older Hornady ammo with a red tip that the “polymer” tip has shrunk considerably. Will this noticeable shrinkage affect the performance of the ammo to the point where I should trash the ammo? No pun intended. I buy your Duty ammo for four different pistol calibers usually the plus P and many hunting rifles on the heavier for caliber end of the spectrum. I have a 308 that loved your light magnum ammo, but I haven’t been able to find it for years now. What would be the closest alternative to it?
I’ll give my opinion here on your first question. If the tips are deformed, it will effect your bc. Furthermore, I’ll bet no two tips deformed identically, which means your shot to shot consistency is going to be garbage. But I wouldn’t throw them out. As I see it, you’ve got two options. 1) use them for plinking loads in a non-precision setup and just have fun with them. 2) Try pulling the tips. Behind those tips us just a hollowpoint projectile. The polymer tips only exist to make the tips more consistent than an open meplat. Since they aren’t doing that anymore, just pull them out like a bad tooth. I’ll bet those bullets will shoot great without them.
Shoot them, bet you don’t notice a difference
Do you think it's finally time for a 6mm magnum? Or a new short action 243 replacement with a faster twist and longer bullet in the 130-140gr class. I shoot a 6.5 creed and a 243, the difference between the 2 is pretty Remarkable when you look at the bullet selection and weights. Those 100gr bullets show their age and seem to not perform as well as a 6.5 creed. I'm not a fan of the 6mm creed because the ammo is hard to find and it seems very picky on powders for reloading. I think its mainly because it wasn't optimized like the 6.5 was. It seemed like they just crammed the 6mm in there and crimped it down. The pressure spikes seem to make it very notch and creates weird cells.
6mm Creedmoor and 6mm ARC are basically the new 243.
Some folks like to rip the new cartridges, but being designed around longer VLD bullets, they are also more capable of handling high-BC lead-free hunting bullets, if we get forced into that.
Who would force you into that? Just give ‘em the middle finger.
How has accuracy been with the CX bullets? Optimal twist rates same as equal weight leaded bullets?
This wss explained in the video. A monolithic copper alloy bullet has to be longer than a copper cup and lead core bullet of equal weight. It is LENGTH, not WEIGHT of the projectile that influences the twist rate required to achieve stabilized flight. Optimal twist rates will be the same for same-caliber bullets of the same overall length.
Do You have plan to produce more bullet in 30 cal.
I see You dont have 130 and 150 grain , maybe split the diffrence and make 140gr cx
Hornady seems to have discontinued its 300 wsm superformance. That sucks. My rifles love that round.
Apparently Hornady’s product research team has never bothered to get a hold of a Hammer. They are the cat’s meow of monolith bullets. The LRX boasts the best BC’s of the bunch as well. The numbers on the Hornady are disappointing.
Guess theyve never heard of the Bulldozer II bullet.
Ron Spomer likes Hammer bullets. As much hunting experience as he has, if he says he likes something, you know you can trust it to be true. His reputation is second to none.
@@TommyboyGTP Ron is the 💣 I watch his podcasts all the time!
Agreed
@@suspecttrigger I got ahold of some 150’s in 308 a while back. I’m getting like 3300fps out of my 300 wsm
These commercials are really good. I will wait with my finger hovering over the skip button for every commercial on TH-cam, and I will sit here and listen and watch a one hour Hornady commercial. I live in Commiefornia, so I have to use non-lead ammo for hunting, but I'm halfway convinced that the future of performance and accuracy could be some kind of alloy.
What about 110 cx performance at 300 blk velocities??
How about load data for this application. 300blk is my choice for kids' first hunting cartridge. I'd like the info to load my own flavor for them.
Why nothing for the 7PRC ? is the 6.5PRC better ?
We have the 160 gr CX in 7mm. This was filmed before it was released.
@@hornadywhere’s the 210gr .358 CX at?
Please, please, PLEASE make a CX in 120gr 7mm. Compete with Barnes.
Audable form- 208 gr. Amax (eldM), hammer of thor. Hmm, where dat from?
I'm confused.. You talk about the CX line of bullets, but going off your product spec.. you fail to note the min twist rate or even the length of the bullet.. What gives?!
BC never mentioned. Appears to be a 100 yard bullet.
@@jw3946 Not even. I don’t know how you’re getting down to 2000fps at 100 yards.
Thanks !!!!!!!!!
Whats is the twist rate or length on the 180 308 cx bullet, The info can not be found anywhere??
Minimum of 12" twist for the 180 grain 30 cal.
@@hornady thanks for getting back to me, that I formation down not exist online. I’m surprised it will work considering the 165 won’t even work with the 1:12 twist. When will the 180s be shipping out?
I would say Cayugas have the best BC of a mono bullet and being machined it’s consistency would be unmatched compared to CX
257 bob with a 90 gr CX trucking at 3000fps out of a Cooper model 54 I’m a happy sumbitch
I am very excited to see how the 80gn cx in 243 performs on white tail I have used the Barnes until I listened to the podcast and seen that video of you guys creating the ELDX and realized how much science effort and thought was going into the product I immediately jumped on Midway USA to look for some I also appreciate the heavier 90gn is there any possibility of seeing a 100 gn in the future???
~100 grain in the CX or ELD-X?
@@hornady the CX
If the grooved bullet is significantly better than the cannelure. Why not groove the other bullet designs at Hornaday?
I had no idea Johnny sins knew so much about guns
Had to go to gun broker to find the 375 Ruger.
Shooting in South Africa. Shoots any thing and every thing.
What happened to 6.8 spc sst ?????????
How did they spend an hour discussing wha they “figured out”? Barnes did it years and years ago.. Maybe they cam highlight how these are better than a TTSX or the Long Range version….
Shot Hornady for years, but no more. The eld-x is not a hunting bullet. The CX and gmx both suck, pickier than Barnes
And the whole mandate crap was about as unamerican as you can get, and in the wrong industry
What is the eldx if it's not a hunting bullet? Educate me.
@@adamshaw8214 it shoots great out of most rifles, and we shot it a lot. But we've had jacket separation at all ranges out to 640 on small whitetail, and terrible terminal performance
Agree with this 100%.
Why is the .257-90 grain Gmx Bc .290 and the new CX 90 grains bc is lower at .273 and the sectional density of both are .195 this is not an improvement this is going backwards!! Even the 80 grain Barnes has a higher Bc than the 90 grain CX and Gmx!! This is why I have switched to Barnes Lrx until Hornady comes out with something comparable to the Lrx in the calibers that I shoot!!
At what distance would hunting changeTo being considered shooting? Definitely the need to have the skill and aptitude to stealthily sneak up on game has been greatly eliminated if you can kill an elk at 800 yards.
I agree, at some point hunting becomes shooting
Due to your guys publicity, the publicity of the 6.5 CR, their is a lot of lost elk out there!
Why are you crapping on this guys? Creedmore is one of the most popular calibers out there obviously if it didn’t work it wasn’t as popular as it is?? What’s your problem?
@@titomish5914 I know right, I'm just Mr. Sunshine here...
Well "tito mish", many people place over confidence in it. Just because it can make steel ring or punch a hole in paper at distance, doesn't make it an automatic killer. This ain't tag, your it (dead).
Deer and elk need a certain amount of teminal ballistics to be killed properly.
Several videos on youtube show game loss due to being either being under gunned or under trained.
Then they blow it off saying he'll be OK I saw him chasing cows. Dooch bags!
Nathan Foster of New Zealand has some of the best information out there on terminal ballistics.
Another guy, The Hard Atler Hunter, is another great guy to follow. He's also from New Zealand. He just released a video where he went home empty handed.
He knew his dope. He could read the gusty wind speed. He just didnt know when the gust would happen. An ethical hunter.
And, whether you admit it or not, a lot of this is driven for sales.
I do love, what I know about, the 7prc and the 300prc. They are modern advancements. But wind still happens. Poor set ups still happen. People are still people. The eye of man is never satisfied.
That's why...
And if I'm considered an A hole for what i wrote, that's fine with me.
@@jamesmooney5348 now I invite you to check ALL those video videos where hunters HARVEST deer with the caliber…. You can go and watch videos where hunters loose deer using 308,270 etcetc if you are a hunter you should have this kind of knowledge
I ordered 3 boxes of Outfitter 270win 130g CX. I can't find the FPS online for this round. Do you have that?
How did you find the CX in the Outiffter for the 270 win as they do not have it advertsed only for the 270 wsm
2000fps is awful high expansion floor for .300blk
Y'all need to make a bonded like federal terminal accent. That's the only thing ur line lacks. The eldx r good but don't hold together through bone close up. I don't like copper bullets don't shoot good outa any of my guns
It resists "spalling"..
I'm sorry to disagree with u all regarding the cx bullet on a 7mm prc I haven't see a video where the can shoot the outfitter cx 160 gr grouping at least one inch scarry u talking u guys have the best bullet
I trust my .454 Weatherby against elks.
Why do suggest that the copper bullet is lighter ? That's Crap and you know it, a 130 gr bullet lead or copper weigh the same. We know that copper weighs less than lead so why don't you say the copper bullet is larger in size yet weighs the same as a 130 gr bullet whether it's lead or copper. That is the only point to be made ! A pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of gold !
Barnes is King
Most advanced. ha, that's a laugh. WHY oh WHY do the Copper alloy bullets suck at expanding at lower velocities, while at max velocities almost 2/3rds of the bullet is un-deformed and doesn't even mushroom at all? I know why, because the copper alloy is still TO HARD. Why not adjust your copper alloy mixture to support expanding completely at full velocity and thus allow the bullet to expand at much lower velocities? It can be done. Stop milking the shooting industry and make the adjustment. The technology is out there.
No good coming out with new products when you can’t find current product on the shelf
Yea 🫰🏾practical
Could have saved 49 minutes to just get to the point.