It's interesting to me that people had a problem with his laughter. Personally I found it comforting and charming. I felt it was coming from a very Zen attitude of looking at a very dark subject and accepting it. Not resisting but in a way saying yes, the circumstances are ugly but ultimately no matter what happems, its going to be all right. Even if the world ends in a way that's ok too. And I'm of the opinion that this attitude is important, especially when dealing with such heavy darkness. We need a comforting voice to ease us into these conversations and deep self analysis, otherwise it can be unbearable and we'll avoid it and perpetuate the problem. I can't help but feel that those who took issue with his laughter, simply aren't ready for the message.
People are uncomfortable with someone who is happy and positive. It is the same with me when I see someone too nice at work but I have to be due to the nature of my work as security. The presumptions of people are the roots of it. .exe not work when they see this guy very happy. Personally I thought he is just a happy guy. I did feel he is slightly off on that one but I have seen worse.
I love the intensity of Master Roshi. That discerning, piercing stare and then the jolly laughter. I see why some people feel uncomfortable when presented with him. But then, isn't that the point? I wonder if the vitriolic comments he mentioned, were merely a projection by those who rallied against the fact that he made them feel uncomfortable . It seems that is the biggest crime one can commit these days!
Penetrating Discerning with humor at the absurd ofte and 5e joke of the trance of ego and how sexy maya and samsara can be, shimmery sparkle fun, bring him back! Again is my vote
People who distrust his Laughter do not get the Joke. The idea that I take myself so seriously is the Joke. I am the Joke. I found his Joke to be refreshing, perfectly timed and thoroughly authentic.
For me, the laughter along with his appearance is akin to the stereotypical Bond villain. Therein lies the collective shadow perception. Hollywood strikes again.
I felt his laughter was his "upper" awareness kicking in, and goes "lolz,look what you've just said, with such conviction". I think there are hidden ironies in solid statements.
Well I took your lead and read the comments. God it's so hard reading a sea of polarised love hate perspectives that so many hold to be ultimate truths. For me I appreciated a lot hearing from you - the fluid reality of the shadow in all of us - the unknowing of meaning - the seriousness and the fun of unsettling one another. Cheers mate, really, a great way to end my year :)
I found the laughter to be " punctuation" It seemed to me to be the realization of self awareness..then laughter at the ego poking itself out like a belligerent kid.. I liked him.. And much of what he said resonated with me. Both interviews were well worth watching , and I thought the questioning was thoughtful and well structured... Thanks both .
Doshin seems much more genuine in this second interview. I think he has learned from the comments on the last one. He may have lost site of his reflection because I imagine he is mostly only interacting with students who either revere or fear him. It confirms that no matter who one is (or who one thinks they are) one never stops learning. He has grown and is a better person for having interacted with you on this medium (David). I think that is why he is so grateful. We are grateful for good lessons we are able to learn from. Interesting guy. I think he is right in where this cultural war is going. There is some insane ideological shit going on. I agree with Doshin and lament that it can only end very badly or with the appearance of a common enemy or disaster. Great channel. Subbed.
Despite what people may think about his way of speaking or laughing, he definitely has some very thought provoking and interesting points to make and is worth listening to.
Great video. Doshin Roshi's realness and compassion blended with his truth and laughter is a potent blend of authenticity that will wake up the world. Cheers!
Would be great to do a rebel wisdom workshop with Doshin. The work we did at the workshop on shadows was deep but I felt the need to go deeper into shadow research. This is a master of shadow technique.
There are workshops?! You all are probably in CA. I am in the Seattle area. I have been practicing "true spirituality" for quite some time now. In 1996 my partner and I moved to Boulder, CO to study at the Naropa Institute. We took refuge vows about a year later. We eventually moved back home to the Puget Sound. For a while there was a chapter of the Boulder sangha here, that we could participate in, turn to, and practice with. But graduate school, a new relationship, life, and soon it was years since I'd been in contact with the Boulder sangha or the Dharma Dhatu an executive branch. I went to reconnect with my sangha and they were no longer there. Seattle has been quite overtaken by a certain kind of energy/personage that has been known as "upwardly mobile" at times. So, do you [or anyone reading this] know of any sangha that is doing this kind of shadow work, what I think of as 'practice', around Seattle here? I so much desire to have that again. I am not new to practice, but I still need others to give me a vision of myself to work with, in addition I just would like friends who are also practitioners. Than you ver much.
There’s a strange and intricate dance between awakening and deeper understanding that Doshin points to. Jack Kornfield once said, ‘what do you get when a cannibal wakes up? An awake cannibal’. The 18th century Zen Master Torei talks about the path of Rinzai Zen as one where there’s a most expedient rush to awaken. Then after awakening a life long practice of exploration and purification of the defilements of ego. In our not so patient culture we want both immediately. Very hard to awaken while chasing every shadow and very hard to explore and purify shadows while not awakened. I could more accurately replace the ‘we’ with ‘I’ when describing this conundrum. Yet having seen enough of the darker nature of my relative self I cannot stop and just keep muddling my way along. Teachers like Doshin have been very helpful.
Thx for these observations: specially "very hard to awaken while chasing every shadow and very hard to explore and purify shadows while not awakened." (Brilliant!) Peace.
Love the guy. Anyone who thinks he's inauthentic has a problem with themselves. Not that I don't have problems with myself, mind you, but different ones.
Thank you for the video, I enjoyed the conversation very much, as I did with the last interview. I consider this a terrific christmas gift. When the zen master mentioned that he had been reading the comments, all i could hear in my mind was joe rogan saying "don't read the comments" lol. I like his perspective on the feedback though.
Michael Velleman Agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed the last interview also. Doshin had me at the moment he called the postmodernism egalitarian philosophy a disease.
Thank you for bringing him back I truly enjoyed both of these videos And this explains the other well I always thought he was authentic The sinister laughter was not problematic but had me curious So good to connect more dots I hope to some day meet Roshi and learn from him
‘I see disaster.’ It gives me the chills when he says that. It’s so easy for so many to see immanent disaster. But not so easy to see why, when you haven’t done Shadow Work like the Zen masters have. Doshin says why he sees disaster; and I want everyone to be able to hear this.
I have been on a retreat with Doshin leading the retreat. He truly is a comforting presence and carries a lot of wisdom yet is a real person. You can feel his shadows, he isn’t hiding them. That is what makes him authentic and trustworthy. He isn’t perfect, but that is the exact reason he is so relatable. He gives you hope too - if he made it through his shadows, so can you 😉
If you've done any looking into zen at all, you would know where his laughter comes from and why. And if you're bothered by it, at all, you need to do more work. This is the presence of a true master, and I'm honored and grateful to experience this. Thank you for bringing this man on in these wonderful interviews.
I live in the middle of nowhere - in the North. I came upon this channel by accident. It is incredible to realize I am doing something. My shadow work is real. I exist. And I understand my misfit ways through a shared lense I did not know existed. It's hard to describe my epiphany. Anyhow -thanks so much. Delving into emptiness amongst northern flora and fauna.
Thought provoking discussion, and love his "if you can spot it you've got it" from the first interview, and even better was that I experienced it directly myself during this video LOL (and felt the hurt), so I'm personally "sold" on his authenticity as a teacher!
Great to see this follow up interview! I really enjoyed the first one, but most importantly, it was the first time I heard the name Ken Wilbur, and I have since become a subscriber to Integrallife.com and am benefitting from Integral ideas. 2018 for me is marked by learning first of Jordan Peterson and following that path to Ken Wilbur via Rebel Wisdom. Thank you!
Thanks for the reminder....I often need it, because at times, some mundane and/or uncomfortable situations, that life throws up at me, can knock me off balance if I've had a period of relative harmony (and sometimes safety). But with hindsight, my most uncomfortable situations and antagonising people have been my greatest teachers. It doesn't mean I want to seek discomfort, but I like to find gratitude for it when it comes.
i watched the first interview on the 12th of september and i rewatched it again the next morning before work. Doshin talked about what he sees coming and how we don't even understand, then you asked what he saw and he said " I would rather not say", i know what he was doing by that response and even though i knew, that in itself did scare me. That entire interview rung in my head so loud that i found myself looking at my own shadow, i felt that i had nobody to blame other than myself for the things that happen in my waking life, i have never felt so centered and corned by my own self and facing the ugliness that is myself, confronting my own shadow blew my fucking mind! i have never felt so defeated in a victorious way just by a little push into the shallow end lol, i could not do it for long though, but it seems to be a good start. to see oneself from another perspective has placed me in a healthy confusion, and i am okay with that. thanks to you both for the experience.
I think the Master is spot on in targeting arrogance as the key issue with the Left. Using Haidt's language, it's as if the rider has totally given over to the elephant but believes he is still in absolute control.
@@Magnulus76 To paraphrase Eckhart Tolle I would say it is different levels of unconsciousness. The right is more unconsciousness. He also says to accept what is, as if we have chosen it. Often we treat the right wing as if they are a curse, instead of simply a challenge. I believe that Left's problem is that we use shame to try to change how the right wing acts and feels. It's sort of unfair to be stealing one of the religious rights favourite vices.
I found your laughter to be calming yet challenging to learn and think more about my inner reasoning and conflicting actions and habits in my life. If I can reason through those perhaps that laugh will come freely. The laugh of knowing one's self.
All of these men are true spiritual warriors bringing the message truth and honesty. Peterson’s Rule of “Clean and put your house in order first before trying to change the world”. Has been a game changer for me. Along with letting my shadows out of the closet I’m finding I’m back in the kindergarten of life. I’ve shut the tv off and engaging in a wild world and realizing I’m just as messed up and fucked up as the world around me. Wow.... I am so great full for theses talks..... Ben S
I really enjoyed this interview, as with the previous one with Doshin Roshi. His speaking style does remind me very much of Dr Saperstein in Rosemary's Baby. Just a trivial observation, though, because Roshi is a very interesting guy.
I enjoyed your laughter. I saw it as neither forced nor transcendent; just laughter. I also felt that much of the negative comments, some of which I read, were mostly projections by others damning you for their own shortcomings. As for what might alleviate the chaos of conflicting shadows in a culture-conflict, I'm hoping that a greater truth will become that allows both sides to focus on that new truth, and lay down their hatred for others. As you say, "We'll see."
I think the bigger story is that many people are seeing right through the culture war and never bought it. The quote by Doshin about the ones who are correct but have no convictions shined a light briefly on millions who are letting things go the way they will while living their own life with some measure of integrity.
Interesting that people picked up on the laugh. Quite some time ago, I was made aware of my irritating laugh, which had until then been an unconscious habit, mostly to avoid feeling pain. The most authentic laughter is when you laugh with others at appropriate times, but not at others. Playing with emotion to illustrate a point is fine if people know that this is what you are doing, but acting, rather than feeling emotions has to come across as inauthentic.
Thank you guys for the video. A Question developed throughout listening to the conversation about "projections" and "shadow-work". In my meditation practice this also is a repetitive pattern of questions coming up. Not sure how precise i can be, but i´ll try my best. When i observe some "behavior X" a lot of things happen inside of me. judgements, decernments, descriptions, feelings, body sensations etc. . After this cascade of "things" have went on (if one can say they really come to an and), sometimes i come to sort of a conclusion (because that's what it is often all about in real life. Make decisions and try to commit somehow and find a path that feels (not thinks) more authentic and whole). But how would i make the difference between: 1. i´ve just walked again in one of my sophisticated "shadowtraps" that make me think im so brilliant and right in my observation but im just caught in my own glory-film again that is actually a shadow part. Because this is actually the characteristic of this kind of shadow, right? Your thoughts, the inner story and identifications in this story say: "hey your a quite reflected guy and this behavior X is not very highly developed, you should do something against it". AND 2. My observation/ decernment comes from a more "heart formed/ heart based" place that can actually "see" more clearly what is going on here. Is it just the feeling of clear observation without the agitation Doshin Roshi speaks about in the Trump-example, or are there any other measurements of some sort of "inner compass" that suggest a clear heart and mind. Its this question of: which inner voice should one listen to if there are many projections around. My own feeling is, that the bodily sensations of a clear mind are very different. calm, compassionate, holding, graceful etc. but still not sure... In other words: Is Anger or agitation always a sign of "shadow activation" or is there some sort of "wise anger". I would be delighted about some options. Thanks for your work and the interview.
The fact that you admitted your laughter is a type of practice you engage in,shows that you actually were being inauthentic,at least as far as the laughter is concerned.It's noticeable you didn't use that laugh anywhere near as much in this interview,and appeared to check yourself when you looked like you may automatically slip into it.That's an interesting response. It seems you took some of the criticism to heart,and the reason for that,is an interesting question.
Very interesting to hear you guys even talk about those reactions, because I noticed them myself ....and even without reading the comments, I thought "this is really going to piss some people off". I really think it is some kind of Dunning-Kruger-Effect in which the person projects it's own insecurity or lack of wisdom on to you, because they can't imagine someone being that secure and reflected without faking it. A lair suspects everyone to be a lair as well.
Oh I loved the laughter so much ! But then I am of an age that if you asked me what’s the first word that comes to mind if I say, ‘Men’ , I will say, ‘Fun’. My father , uncles , brothers and friends were such great guys, hard working, honest and hilarious.
It's quite sad when people find someone's genuine laugh uncomfortable, let the man laugh and look at your own shadows and reasons for why you find it uncomfortable.
"Anybody who tells you that he has some way of leading you to spiritual enlightenment is like somebody who picks your pocket and sells you your own watch"-Alan Watts.
Just found this video and how amazing his foresight was into the direction of the culture wars colliding and the gradual formation of an even bigger enemy. ⏳
Listening back to the Zen Master's interviews with the perspective of Qanon is quite fascinating. Things are much clearer now. The Storm is here WWG1WGA
Allow your laughter to resonate through the trees of the forest monk. You have toiled long and quite hard to liberate yourself from the illusion of this reality. All you have left is your laughter and the freedom from the clutches of the mind. Focus on the light within your mind’s eye and laugh away releasing whatever little is left of your attachment to Maya. Do not listen to the masses. You already have the divine sound of spirit resonating within you. That high-pitched sound inside your head that accompanies you in the darkest of all nights. Keep laughing and loudly as the roar of your spirit will resonate way beyond the upper planes all the way to the Godhead. Thanks for your sacrifice and devotion. You help in the effort to bring truth.
By the way. I think we could all agree, but i can only speak for myself, that more information about how to do shadow work is essential for everyone. The details of shadow work aren’t clear yet, in any video i have seen from any channel. I would definitely appreciate more detailed info about how to integrate shadows! I’ve done shadow work, and it works, but still feel there’s something i am not ‘getting’ yet. thanks!
21:40 this is Alan Moore's plot point in Watchmen: Ozymandias trying to ally USA / Russia against a greater (though fake) threat to avoid mutual destruction where there is no dialogue.
Maybe this is not relevant but there is a great great great great poem by Shelley......Ozymandiez very short. Word perfect. it applies even more today as idols fall and new ones are erected to fall in their own due time
I liked Doshin's interviews. Although I did find his delivery a bit theatrical in the previous one. I feel the same way about Steven Hayes, creator of ACT Therapy. Great ideas, but I'm not so keen on his showmanship. Perhaps it's a tone which works on TV, but seems out-of-place online. A bit like the strange way newsreaders speak.
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I think he is very authentic, kind and wise.
It's interesting to me that people had a problem with his laughter. Personally I found it comforting and charming. I felt it was coming from a very Zen attitude of looking at a very dark subject and accepting it. Not resisting but in a way saying yes, the circumstances are ugly but ultimately no matter what happems, its going to be all right. Even if the world ends in a way that's ok too. And I'm of the opinion that this attitude is important, especially when dealing with such heavy darkness. We need a comforting voice to ease us into these conversations and deep self analysis, otherwise it can be unbearable and we'll avoid it and perpetuate the problem. I can't help but feel that those who took issue with his laughter, simply aren't ready for the message.
Totally, ditto!
People are uncomfortable with someone who is happy and positive. It is the same with me when I see someone too nice at work but I have to be due to the nature of my work as security. The presumptions of people are the roots of it. .exe not work when they see this guy very happy. Personally I thought he is just a happy guy. I did feel he is slightly off on that one but I have seen worse.
I think most who thought it was inauthentic probably had not encountered anything Zen related before.
@@DavidDavoDavidson Perhaps authenticity and inauthenticity aren't two different things anyway, at the end of the day..
This guy is captivating. Please have him on again.
Absolutely addicting to watch. It’s as if the man is so centered that you can’t help but be vacuumed by his vortex and space of awareness
I love the intensity of Master Roshi. That discerning, piercing stare and then the jolly laughter. I see why some people feel uncomfortable when presented with him. But then, isn't that the point? I wonder if the vitriolic comments he mentioned, were merely a projection by those who rallied against the fact that he made them feel uncomfortable . It seems that is the biggest crime one can commit these days!
SPOT ON
Lovely projection hahahaha gold mind mines everywhere 😆
Penetrating Discerning with humor at the absurd ofte and 5e joke of the trance of ego and how sexy maya and samsara can be, shimmery sparkle fun, bring him back! Again is my vote
People who distrust his Laughter do not get the Joke. The idea that I take myself so seriously is the Joke. I am the Joke.
I found his Joke to be refreshing, perfectly timed and thoroughly authentic.
For me, the laughter along with his appearance is akin to the stereotypical Bond villain. Therein lies the collective shadow perception. Hollywood strikes again.
I like Doshin, I think he is a fascinating human. A combination of the strongest love and the the most powerful violence.
I've seen neither. Gold projection?
Donald Anderson was that shadow projection? Haha
J. C. Whoa, that’s exciting. Where is that from?
@@donaldanderson6578 Why?
22:20 … The Center cannot hold / The Best lack all conviction and The Worst are full of passion and intensity … nailed it!
I felt his laughter was his "upper" awareness kicking in, and goes "lolz,look what you've just said, with such conviction". I think there are hidden ironies in solid statements.
Well I took your lead and read the comments. God it's so hard reading a sea of polarised love hate perspectives that so many hold to be ultimate truths. For me I appreciated a lot hearing from you - the fluid reality of the shadow in all of us - the unknowing of meaning - the seriousness and the fun of unsettling one another. Cheers mate, really, a great way to end my year :)
I found the laughter to be " punctuation"
It seemed to me to be the realization of self awareness..then laughter at the ego poking itself out like a belligerent kid..
I liked him..
And much of what he said resonated with me.
Both interviews were well worth watching , and I thought the questioning was thoughtful and well structured...
Thanks both .
Doshin seems much more genuine in this second interview. I think he has learned from the comments on the last one. He may have lost site of his reflection because I imagine he is mostly only interacting with students who either revere or fear him. It confirms that no matter who one is (or who one thinks they are) one never stops learning. He has grown and is a better person for having interacted with you on this medium (David). I think that is why he is so grateful. We are grateful for good lessons we are able to learn from. Interesting guy. I think he is right in where this cultural war is going. There is some insane ideological shit going on. I agree with Doshin and lament that it can only end very badly or with the appearance of a common enemy or disaster. Great channel. Subbed.
Despite what people may think about his way of speaking or laughing, he definitely has some very thought provoking and interesting points to make and is worth listening to.
Deepest gratitude, that was a really good one.
Great video. Doshin Roshi's realness and compassion blended with his truth and laughter is a potent blend of authenticity that will wake up the world. Cheers!
Would be great to do a rebel wisdom workshop with Doshin. The work we did at the workshop on shadows was deep but I felt the need to go deeper into shadow research. This is a master of shadow technique.
There are workshops?! You all are probably in CA. I am in the Seattle area. I have been practicing "true spirituality" for quite some time now. In 1996 my partner and I moved to Boulder, CO to study at the Naropa Institute. We took refuge vows about a year later. We eventually moved back home to the Puget Sound. For a while there was a chapter of the Boulder sangha here, that we could participate in, turn to, and practice with. But graduate school, a new relationship, life, and soon it was years since I'd been in contact with the Boulder sangha or the Dharma Dhatu an executive branch. I went to reconnect with my sangha and they were no longer there. Seattle has been quite overtaken by a certain kind of energy/personage that has been known as "upwardly mobile" at times. So, do you [or anyone reading this] know of any sangha that is doing this kind of shadow work, what I think of as 'practice', around Seattle here? I so much desire to have that again. I am not new to practice, but I still need others to give me a vision of myself to work with, in addition I just would like friends who are also practitioners. Than you ver much.
There’s a strange and intricate dance between awakening and deeper understanding that Doshin points to. Jack Kornfield once said, ‘what do you get when a cannibal wakes up? An awake cannibal’. The 18th century Zen Master Torei talks about the path of Rinzai Zen as one where there’s a most expedient rush to awaken. Then after awakening a life long practice of exploration and purification of the defilements of ego. In our not so patient culture we want both immediately. Very hard to awaken while chasing every shadow and very hard to explore and purify shadows while not awakened. I could more accurately replace the ‘we’ with ‘I’ when describing this conundrum. Yet having seen enough of the darker nature of my relative self I cannot stop and just keep muddling my way along. Teachers like Doshin have been very helpful.
Thx for these observations: specially "very hard to awaken while chasing every shadow and very hard to explore and purify shadows while not awakened." (Brilliant!) Peace.
Love the guy. Anyone who thinks he's inauthentic has a problem with themselves.
Not that I don't have problems with myself, mind you, but different ones.
Not me!
Fantastic...This is what a true master sounds like, laughter and all.
Thank you for the video, I enjoyed the conversation very much, as I did with the last interview.
I consider this a terrific christmas gift.
When the zen master mentioned that he had been reading the comments, all i could hear in my mind was joe rogan saying "don't read the comments" lol. I like his perspective on the feedback though.
yes Merry Christmas!
Michael Velleman
If he reads the comments, then I’m Santa Claus.🎅
Michael Velleman Agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed the last interview also. Doshin had me at the moment he called the postmodernism egalitarian philosophy a disease.
Not every criticism is a projection. Your specific one is. Nice straw man fallacy though. Better luck trying to get away with it next time.
Thank you for bringing him back
I truly enjoyed both of these videos
And this explains the other well
I always thought he was authentic
The sinister laughter was not problematic but had me curious
So good to connect more dots
I hope to some day meet Roshi and learn from him
‘I see disaster.’
It gives me the chills when he says that.
It’s so easy for so many to see immanent disaster. But not so easy to see why, when you haven’t done Shadow Work like the Zen masters have. Doshin says why he sees disaster; and I want everyone to be able to hear this.
I have been on a retreat with Doshin leading the retreat. He truly is a comforting presence and carries a lot of wisdom yet is a real person. You can feel his shadows, he isn’t hiding them. That is what makes him authentic and trustworthy. He isn’t perfect, but that is the exact reason he is so relatable. He gives you hope too - if he made it through his shadows, so can you 😉
If you've done any looking into zen at all, you would know where his laughter comes from and why.
And if you're bothered by it, at all, you need to do more work.
This is the presence of a true master, and I'm honored and grateful to experience this.
Thank you for bringing this man on in these wonderful interviews.
This guy puts a smile on my face 😄
Loool that renegade master meme with the music and zoom, good stuff guys, thank you for putting doshin roshi content out there.
I found his understanding of everything is real, intelligent authentic ...he’s Brillant. Unusual but brilliant
really nice visual format with the two of you sitting on the pew.
" we are gonna have to have a bigger enemy than each other to unite us into a new war against an common enemy" - Corona
I live in the middle of nowhere - in the North. I came upon this channel by accident. It is incredible to realize I am doing something. My shadow work is real. I exist. And I understand my misfit ways through a shared lense I did not know existed. It's hard to describe my epiphany. Anyhow -thanks so much. Delving into emptiness amongst northern flora and fauna.
It's been an incredible revelation for me as well. +1
I really enjoyed the first interview. I wish this one was longer!
Thought provoking discussion, and love his "if you can spot it you've got it" from the first interview, and even better was that I experienced it directly myself during this video LOL (and felt the hurt), so I'm personally "sold" on his authenticity as a teacher!
Wonderful, compelling, honest.
Great to see this follow up interview! I really enjoyed the first one, but most importantly, it was the first time I heard the name Ken Wilbur, and I have since become a subscriber to Integrallife.com and am benefitting from Integral ideas. 2018 for me is marked by learning first of Jordan Peterson and following that path to Ken Wilbur via Rebel Wisdom. Thank you!
That's awesome to hear. These waves are getting bigger and it's so exciting :]
Thanks for the reminder....I often need it, because at times, some mundane and/or uncomfortable situations, that life throws up at me, can knock me off balance if I've had a period of relative harmony (and sometimes safety). But with hindsight, my most uncomfortable situations and antagonising people have been my greatest teachers. It doesn't mean I want to seek discomfort, but I like to find gratitude for it when it comes.
I absolutely love this being. My heart glows every time I hear his voice. Grateful to you, hope our paths cross.
i watched the first interview on the 12th of september and i rewatched it again the next morning before work.
Doshin talked about what he sees coming and how we don't even understand, then you asked what he saw and he said " I would rather not say", i know what he was doing by that response and even though i knew, that in itself did scare me. That entire interview rung in my head so loud that i found myself looking at my own shadow, i felt that i had nobody to blame other than myself for the things that happen in my waking life, i have never felt so centered and corned by my own self and facing the ugliness that is myself, confronting my own shadow blew my fucking mind! i have never felt so defeated in a victorious way just by a little push into the shallow end lol, i could not do it for long though, but it seems to be a good start.
to see oneself from another perspective has placed me in a healthy confusion, and i am okay with that.
thanks to you both for the experience.
I think the Master is spot on in targeting arrogance as the key issue with the Left. Using Haidt's language, it's as if the rider has totally given over to the elephant but believes he is still in absolute control.
Whatever the Left's flaws in the US, the Right's are far worse. A worldview rooted in fantasy and narcissism.
@@Magnulus76 To paraphrase Eckhart Tolle I would say it is different levels of unconsciousness. The right is more unconsciousness. He also says to accept what is, as if we have chosen it. Often we treat the right wing as if they are a curse, instead of simply a challenge. I believe that Left's problem is that we use shame to try to change how the right wing acts and feels. It's sort of unfair to be stealing one of the religious rights favourite vices.
I found your laughter to be calming yet challenging to learn and think more about my inner reasoning and conflicting actions and habits in my life. If I can reason through those perhaps that laugh will come freely. The laugh of knowing one's self.
Both of you are wonderful! Thank you for sharing ❤️
All of these men are true spiritual warriors bringing the message truth and honesty. Peterson’s Rule of “Clean and put your house in order first before trying to change the world”. Has been a game changer for me. Along with letting my shadows out of the closet I’m finding I’m back in the kindergarten of life. I’ve shut the tv off and engaging in a wild world and realizing I’m just as messed up and fucked up as the world around me. Wow.... I am so great full for theses talks..... Ben S
Who didn’t like his laughter? It was the best part of him ...totally authentic and shows he doesn’t take himself or anything too seriously!
Spot on about the Liberal shadows: arrogance and passive aggressive violence.
I didn't really understand this - what is an example of liberal passive-aggressive violence?
@@AndyLowe-net every liberal arguing ever
Look forward to your next interview with Doshin Roshi.
" I challenge the shit out of em " Refreshing to hear plain spoken English
I still don't know what to think after this second interview, but I would gladly hear more.
Thank you for the thought-provoking content you post!! You are the documentarians of the IDW. Merry Christmas and Happy 2019!!
I love your laugh Doshin...I feel comforted when I hear you laugh! Namaste...
The guy has some legitimate wisdom. I respect that he's not afraid to say what's on his mind.
When a fool looks at a master he only sees a fool
John Lewis Would that logic applies if I think D. Trump is a fool?
When a Master looks at a fool he sees an opportunity to increase his power of influence ...
@@bobz1736 that's a con man, liar, the universe folows a real master or you don,t know what ur talking about, probably the latter
That's true as well....
A master don't see a fool.....in reality...
I think master Doshin Roshi is fabulous! Therefore I am fabulous too!!
I really enjoyed this interview, as with the previous one with Doshin Roshi. His speaking style does remind me very much of Dr Saperstein in Rosemary's Baby. Just a trivial observation, though, because Roshi is a very interesting guy.
haha
I just found out about Doshin Roshi. Very glad i did! I am very intrigued by this shadow work.
I want to make this Zen dude my new "waist numerous hours of time on youtube"-guy
Much better answer than, “I’d rather not say.”
I enjoyed your laughter. I saw it as neither forced nor transcendent; just laughter. I also felt that much of the negative comments, some of which I read, were mostly projections by others damning you for their own shortcomings. As for what might alleviate the chaos of conflicting shadows in a culture-conflict, I'm hoping that a greater truth will become that allows both sides to focus on that new truth, and lay down their hatred for others. As you say, "We'll see."
I think the bigger story is that many people are seeing right through the culture war and never bought it. The quote by Doshin about the ones who are correct but have no convictions shined a light briefly on millions who are letting things go the way they will while living their own life with some measure of integrity.
@@michaelnice93
Reminds me of:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Interesting that people picked up on the laugh. Quite some time ago, I was made aware of my irritating laugh, which had until then been an unconscious habit, mostly to avoid feeling pain. The most authentic laughter is when you laugh with others at appropriate times, but not at others. Playing with emotion to illustrate a point is fine if people know that this is what you are doing, but acting, rather than feeling emotions has to come across as inauthentic.
Beautiful, raw tender stuff fam.
“Back Once Again...”
Thank you guys for the video. A Question developed throughout listening to the conversation about "projections" and "shadow-work". In my meditation practice this also is a repetitive pattern of questions coming up. Not sure how precise i can be, but i´ll try my best.
When i observe some "behavior X" a lot of things happen inside of me. judgements, decernments, descriptions, feelings, body sensations etc. . After this cascade of "things" have went on (if one can say they really come to an and), sometimes i come to sort of a conclusion (because that's what it is often all about in real life. Make decisions and try to commit somehow and find a path that feels (not thinks) more authentic and whole).
But how would i make the difference between:
1. i´ve just walked again in one of my sophisticated "shadowtraps" that make me think im so brilliant and right in my observation but im just caught in my own glory-film again that is actually a shadow part. Because this is actually the characteristic of this kind of shadow, right? Your thoughts, the inner story and identifications in this story say: "hey your a quite reflected guy and this behavior X is not very highly developed, you should do something against it".
AND
2. My observation/ decernment comes from a more "heart formed/ heart based" place that can actually "see" more clearly what is going on here.
Is it just the feeling of clear observation without the agitation Doshin Roshi speaks about in the Trump-example, or are there any other measurements of some sort of "inner compass" that suggest a clear heart and mind.
Its this question of: which inner voice should one listen to if there are many projections around.
My own feeling is, that the bodily sensations of a clear mind are very different. calm, compassionate, holding, graceful etc. but still not sure...
In other words: Is Anger or agitation always a sign of "shadow activation" or is there some sort of "wise anger".
I would be delighted about some options.
Thanks for your work and the interview.
20:30 Prophetic indeed. It has exploded.
ha ha.....love the Booya with the blowing shit up ending. Doshin, your a cool cat
Great! I love this.
Great interview!
The fact that you admitted your laughter is a type of practice you engage in,shows that you actually were being inauthentic,at least as far as the laughter is concerned.It's noticeable you didn't use that laugh anywhere near as much in this interview,and appeared to check yourself when you looked like you may automatically slip into it.That's an interesting response. It seems you took some of the criticism to heart,and the reason for that,is an interesting question.
Very interesting to hear you guys even talk about those reactions, because I noticed them myself ....and even without reading the comments, I thought "this is really going to piss some people off". I really think it is some kind of Dunning-Kruger-Effect in which the person projects it's own insecurity or lack of wisdom on to you, because they can't imagine someone being that secure and reflected without faking it. A lair suspects everyone to be a lair as well.
Oh I loved the laughter so much ! But then I am of an age that if you asked me what’s the first word that comes to mind if I say, ‘Men’ , I will say, ‘Fun’. My father , uncles , brothers and friends were such great guys, hard working, honest and hilarious.
Awwww, I like him!
Maybe we can all recognize the great unifying enemy and go to war with ourselves.
Scott Schwartz ...and broker peace there, in ourselves.
@@rosies3622 indeed, using savage kindness.
Everyone is my teacher.
Damn...
It's quite sad when people find someone's genuine laugh uncomfortable, let the man laugh and look at your own shadows and reasons for why you find it uncomfortable.
Stay outside; Seek within.
the renegeade master thing got me good :D thank you :D
"Anybody who tells you that he has some way of leading you to spiritual enlightenment is like somebody who picks your pocket and sells you your own watch"-Alan Watts.
The best spiritual teachers I've encountered deal with others with respect.
Scary watching this in 2020, mid-pandemic, and knowing that the division in America has only gotten worse
In this interview, there was much less of his laughter than last time I had a totally different reaction. Much more positive this time.
I like the guy, its hard to confront the things that make us dangerous to the world around us.
Just found this video and how amazing his foresight was into the direction of the culture wars colliding and the gradual formation of an even bigger enemy. ⏳
I find this very interesting to me . Could we have a group meeting with this subject
His laughter is almost as beautiful as The Dali Lama’s. Blessed love
If more people paid more attention to this stuff the world might just be a far better place.
Seems sensible. Embrace the Shadow work, it is where we grow and the alchemy takes place.
Listening back to the Zen Master's interviews with the perspective of Qanon is quite fascinating. Things are much clearer now.
The Storm is here
WWG1WGA
Allow your laughter to resonate through the trees of the forest monk. You have toiled long and quite hard to liberate yourself from the illusion of this reality. All you have left is your laughter and the freedom from the clutches of the mind. Focus on the light within your mind’s eye and laugh away releasing whatever little is left of your attachment to Maya. Do not listen to the masses. You already have the divine sound of spirit resonating within you. That high-pitched sound inside your head that accompanies you in the darkest of all nights. Keep laughing and loudly as the roar of your spirit will resonate way beyond the upper planes all the way to the Godhead. Thanks for your sacrifice and devotion. You help in the effort to bring truth.
Fair enough. I was one of those who found Zenman quite bizarre in the first interview, but he's won me round in this one.
Doshin has the best laughter and love his sense of humour. I suspect a lot of projection onto Jordan by his followers who see him as a father figure.
By the way. I think we could all agree, but i can only speak for myself, that more information about how to do shadow work is essential for everyone. The details of shadow work aren’t clear yet, in any video i have seen from any channel. I would definitely appreciate more detailed info about how to integrate shadows! I’ve done shadow work, and it works, but still feel there’s something i am not ‘getting’ yet. thanks!
I love you're laugh sir...I laugh that way. I laugh that way because I see things differently....usually. I think you laugh for the same way.
Thank you !
Zen bounce is evident, in darkness and in the light.
in 20/20, we'll all have perfect hindsight.
nature never solved a single problem.
Roshi, I love your teachings :P
Doshin Roshi rocks! ;-)
Please laugh even more. It’s contagious. :-)
21:40 this is Alan Moore's plot point in Watchmen: Ozymandias trying to ally USA / Russia against a greater (though fake) threat to avoid mutual destruction where there is no dialogue.
Maybe this is not relevant but there is a great great great great poem by Shelley......Ozymandiez very short. Word perfect. it applies even more today as idols fall and new ones are erected to fall in their own due time
He is a teacher, yet a student, even of his own teachings and of others.
I liked Doshin's interviews. Although I did find his delivery a bit theatrical in the previous one. I feel the same way about Steven Hayes, creator of ACT Therapy. Great ideas, but I'm not so keen on his showmanship. Perhaps it's a tone which works on TV, but seems out-of-place online. A bit like the strange way newsreaders speak.
Every person watching this knows what he is saying.
Wonderful human.
Award winning title for this video
I LOVE HIS LAUGHTER.