The only reason 1" has become popular is because Rogue moved to 1" to get away from Titan who did a very good job of copying them at 5/8". And Rogue started releasing a bunch of 1" attachments to help grow demand for 1" holes. It's a similar story for 3x3 vs 2x3 racks. Nobody's 2x3 rack has broken, but Rogue's Infinity line sales were getting eroded by Titan's T3, so Rogue pushed hard into their Monster line. 2"x3" 11ga with 5/8" holes is more than enough for humans.
Thanks for the research on pins. I've also thought about rope accessories such as a lat pulldown rope. Twisted rope I can buy from a big box store is rated for 300lb. If I double it up and make my own lat pulldown rope, I think it is quite safe. I'll never load it close to the limit.
I think safety numbers for 1” are the same as 5/8” probably because the pin itself wouldn’t be the failure point for most attachments. If loaded even more crazily, I suspect, it might still break at the weld or in the instance with j-cup, the j-cup might bend way before the pin itself experiences any failure. Agreed that if we’re strictly talking about the pin itself, 5/8” is probably already way beyond any human being able to break it. If you just want a simplified number, the relative force required to bend a 1” pin is about 4 times that of a 5/8” pin.
5/8th is my preference - 1 inch/westside hole spacing is better than having a stronger pin (not needed) or having accessories that are slightly easier to put on the rack.
At some point, there needs to just be a standard so you are not stuck in a specific ecosystem and unable to get certain accessories, or have to over pay to get them from a specific brand. I think something like 2 by 2, or maybe 2.5 by 2.5 would be best - thus, a 5/8th hole would work. However, if it is 3 by 3, that is fine too - you just lose an inch or two in width and or depth and generally people can live with that. As well, i wish they would standardize tbe width if the racks (from 47 to 49 generally, but some after markets are more narrow or wide) because ot affects which specialty bars work.
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The only reason 1" has become popular is because Rogue moved to 1" to get away from Titan who did a very good job of copying them at 5/8". And Rogue started releasing a bunch of 1" attachments to help grow demand for 1" holes. It's a similar story for 3x3 vs 2x3 racks. Nobody's 2x3 rack has broken, but Rogue's Infinity line sales were getting eroded by Titan's T3, so Rogue pushed hard into their Monster line. 2"x3" 11ga with 5/8" holes is more than enough for humans.
Yep 2x3 is more than enough. If it was good enough for westside guys putting up 1000+lbs its good enough for everyone else.
Thanks for doing this. It is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the research on pins. I've also thought about rope accessories such as a lat pulldown rope. Twisted rope I can buy from a big box store is rated for 300lb. If I double it up and make my own lat pulldown rope, I think it is quite safe. I'll never load it close to the limit.
I think safety numbers for 1” are the same as 5/8” probably because the pin itself wouldn’t be the failure point for most attachments.
If loaded even more crazily, I suspect, it might still break at the weld or in the instance with j-cup, the j-cup might bend way before the pin itself experiences any failure.
Agreed that if we’re strictly talking about the pin itself, 5/8” is probably already way beyond any human being able to break it.
If you just want a simplified number, the relative force required to bend a 1” pin is about 4 times that of a 5/8” pin.
5/8th is my preference - 1 inch/westside hole spacing is better than having a stronger pin (not needed) or having accessories that are slightly easier to put on the rack.
At some point, there needs to just be a standard so you are not stuck in a specific ecosystem and unable to get certain accessories, or have to over pay to get them from a specific brand. I think something like 2 by 2, or maybe 2.5 by 2.5 would be best - thus, a 5/8th hole would work. However, if it is 3 by 3, that is fine too - you just lose an inch or two in width and or depth and generally people can live with that. As well, i wish they would standardize tbe width if the racks (from 47 to 49 generally, but some after markets are more narrow or wide) because ot affects which specialty bars work.
I still think 2x3 was best of all worlds. I very rarely meed the upright to be square
Then 5/8 is better since you have more holes for better placement.
So is a rack with smaller holes stronger (more metal) than a rack with bigger holes in it?
Theoretically it should be...but it would be way more than anyone could possibly lift.
Because it is not the pin lifting the heavy loads. Lol.