Some good insights here. However, some points need additional clarification and counter-points. REP is a family owned business, and while we have always invested into R&D, we really beefed up our quality team, engineering team, and our entire business the last few years. We have continued to push the envelope and have no plans to stop. We consider Rogue a great competitor and someone we respect as well. No bad blood as Coop mentioned. Clarifications... 1) This must have been filmed awhile ago, as we launched our new barbells weeks ago and they have a similar lifetime warranty. We never really took a deep dive into barbells until recently, and we are really happy with our new lineup of bars. We showcased these at the Arnold Sports Festival and Home Gym Con and had great feedback. They should start making their way out in the wild in the next handful of weeks. 2) Neither us or Rogue have been around for decades as Coop mentions at @3:12. Rogue was established in 2008 vs us in 2012. A 4 year difference. 3) Coop is right in saying that our innovations have been more in-house. We haven't absorbed other companies, designs, or manufacturing existing products to push our innovation forward. Designing equipment in-house takes longer, but we believe ultimately leads to the best products. 4) Our upright measurements are 75mm x 75mm which is 2.95"... so super close to 3". People have added something similar small to make other companies attachments fit, like felt tape. Regarding the price comparisons... I think some clarification is necessary. 1) Most people are buying a rack that is beyond the bare bones uprights and crossmembers. When you start adding attachments, that is where the price difference becomes even greater. It's also where we shine with our cable attachments like the Athena, Ares, and more. The price difference is even bigger when comparing the PR-5000 vs Monster. For example: spotter arms for that series - $210 vs ~$350 - A 60% difference. 2) The dumbbells is an interesting one that I think was a bit misleading - note: we have free shipping so rogue is estimated. When comparing the common 5-50 with our fully knurled dumbbells it's $1100 vs ~$1300 so a $200 difference. 5-75 is $2,280 vs ~$2,600+ so a $300+ difference. Finally the 5-100 set is $3600 vs ~$4250 which is about a $650 difference. It's extremely rare for anyone to buy a 2.5lb to 125lb with increments of 2.5 up to 30lbs as described - especially for a home gym. The full sets that are common purchases are better examples. Other examples... Safety squat bars... $330 vs ~$540 BlackWing Bench vs Manta Ray... $600 vs $1,070 AB-5000 ZeroGap vs AB3.... $600 vs $1200 If you're outfitting a home gym, we should typically come in hundreds if not thousands cheaper depending on what you get. To say that it "may" be a little bit cheaper... is a bit inaccurate. Having said that, we still stake someone's purchasing decision on innovation, value, customer support. No one beats us when considering all three.
Congrats on the new bar launches! I'm trying to make a decision on a DL bar that I'll be picking up soon. Can you pretty please add or respond w/ the inside length dimension from collar to collar on the Hades bar? To me, it is an important dimension for a DL bar. I see you have sleeve and overall, but I don't know how thick the collars are so I can't deduce the math. If I'm missing it somewhere on your site, please fact check me. Thanks for all of what your team does!
Lots of great points. I totally agree that the ares takes reps innovation to a whole new level. With that said, I purchased an ares and pr5000 recently and I had some questions that I emailed in and just never got a response on. After 3 emails, I finally called and connected to someone who was able to help me. Also, when I made my area/pr5000 purchase, the spotter arms were out of stock. I tried to use my points to purchase them, but was told I couldn't use more than $100 worth of points in a single transaction, even though I just dropped 5k...while I understand the terms of the rewards system, I was nonetheless disappointed
Thanks for clarifying on Coop's points! Seeing the price breakdowns is something I'll definitely be taking into consideration when building my home gym.
Rogue has been phenomenal- the quality and overall heritage of quality has been awesome. I prefer the product being built and manufactured in the US and that their customer service is based here. Rep is solid and glad that the competition is tight. Great times for home gym folks.
My current setup is all REP and if I had more room then it would continue to be all REP. I wish they would come out with a compact Leg extension/Leg Curl combo.
@@REPfitnessDo you think you’ll make it compatible with Athena and/or Ares? I think a leg ext/leg curl for a home gym that utilizes a cable would really set itself above all of the free weight options on the market given the superior resistance curve.
@@REPfitness I was thinking more in the lines of a stand-alone plate loaded/selectorized machine. Like a Titan leg Extension/Curl machine but with the taste and character of REP Fitness. I promise it would sell like hot cakes.
Coop, thank you for all the reviews. I was totally going REP fitness after your recommendations, but I'm glad I found the Rogue Monster Lite Half Rack. It doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. Neither does the new Rogue shipping offers. I just bought the Monster Lite Half Rack with the Hybrid power bar, 8 deep dish plates, a full set of steel calibrated change plates (including 25lbs), Thompson Fat Pad bench, and few other goodies. Total shipping cost for everything...$75. I tried building out the same rig with REP and the difference was only a couple hundred bucks. So if you can buy several things at once with your rack, Rogue has narrowed that price gap considerably. Also, the Monster Lite Half Rack comes with some truly nice upgrades like the numbered uprights and included band pegs. After just putting this all together last night, I can say there is nothing "half" or "lite" about this rack and with 24" cross members, I can easily expand this rack into a full Monster Lite rack with storage by just ordering the extra parts from Rogue. ZERO REGRETS!
Came back to this video because I used this past Black Friday to buy basically an entire home gym all at once. I spent about 3-4 months leading up to that day researching all the brands and equipment. Thank you so much for this channel, the blog, etc. Absolutely integral for ability to make informed decisions. Ultimately, like this video, the decision became a comparison of Rep vs Rogue. I went with Rep. For me, it came down to money and an educated guess about the future. Yes, the price each company charges is often close, but if one considers a rack, and a bench, and attachments, and cable systems, etc. then the small price difference adds up to thousands of dollars. The quality difference that rogue seems to come ahead (sometimes) on is very small in my opinion, and I am just one man in a home gym. Functionally, I’ll never notice the difference in quality. But thousands of dollars, I’ll feel that right away. I also found that Rep seems to be innovating more than rogue (even a year after this video came out) and I am excited for all the things I have yet to buy, and the pieces they will surely cone out with in the future. Everything I bought is fantastic, couldn’t be happier. I’ll also say that Rep has been an excellent company to work with, possibly the best customer service I have ever seen in a company. Small side note, I did buy an Ohio power bar from Rogue because it’s objectively awesome and a great value. Also, because I live in Columbus, had to give them a little respect 😆
As an Ares owner, I believe the Ares and Athena set a new standard for a cable system within a rack. I am seeing a lot of budget racks copy this design. Rogue's slinger is essentially awful in comparison. Rogue has been adding a lot of rack accessories but nothing that's as innovative as the Ares/Athena. I am looking forward to what both companies have to offer in the future.
Ares is just a copy of what bodykraft (and others I’m sure) already had but made to fit 3x3 racks. Budget racks copying that design are just copying the design Rep already copied if that makes sense.
@@airgordo4 Please provide the link to these "so called products". I just searched for bodykraft and nothing came up, not even a website. Stop making stuff up 😆
@@GenXFitnessI just bought a PR-5000 with the ARES attachment and I agree that it’s the best of both worlds combined into one solid package. I can’t say enough how much I’m loving both, and I’m hardly even using my Cybex Bravo functional trainer anymore now that I have the ARES on the power rack. They definitely knocked it out of the park with that release!
Both. I love my Rep PR-5000 ARES rack (93" 30+16 six post, stormtrooper scheme). But I love the Rogue 2.0 weight pegs, Rogue 2.0 leg rollers with those fantastic knurled knobs, Rogue 2.0 band pegs and Rogue 2.0 landmine. Add in my 2 stray dog GOATS and I'm set. Many vendors make great products. I'm glad they are all awesome!
I have a Rep 5000 Ares, Rep adjustable kettlebell, Rep 4100 bench, and a Rogue purchased Nuobell set. The build of all the Rep gear is beyond reproach. However, both companies sent my QC issues. One of my Nuobells was inoperable out of the box. Rogue was friendly over the phone, communicated with the manufacturer on my behalf, and sent out a new adjustable handle. It was smooth, BUT, it the whole process took about a month. Both front lower pulley brackets on my Rep 5000 Ares were, while gorgeous, inoperable. The pulleys themselves were crushed in their housing and impossible to remove. Therefore my $5000 rack was useless. Rep has immediately shipped out two replacement brackets no questions asked. Shipping says it will arrive today. Don’t think you can go too wrong with either company.
Life Fitness and Hammer Strength is the gold standard in my book even though expensive and they have not yet come up with integrated functional cable trainer with their power racks. If they did, that would be my top choice. Wealthy bodybuilders like the Rock use only Hammer Strength and commercial USA made quality but expensive.
I just built my home gym and it is almost all REP products. PR-5000 w/the Ares set up. I only have a small space and wanted both a power rack and a functional trainer. The Ares is almost the only option out there when space is limited. I absolutely love my set up. Overall I feel REP products are just more fun. Designs and color options. The PR-5000 and the Blackwing bench are absolute beasts. So well made. I do own a Rogue Ohio Bar and a few sets of collars. Thanks for input Coop. Loved the video.
Hi, I love your Videos! Its just sad that its really hard to find someone doing this over here in Eleiko-land with european products! I think Eleiko is just too expensive, and now I have ordered a barbell, weights and bench from a German company called ATX Fitness instead! Do you have any plans on checking out more of the european market, or is the shipping just too much?
Other differences not mentioned in the video: * Rep's assembly instructions and processes are generally much better than Rogue's * Rep's marketing is generally way better than Rogue's (Rep: cool trailer videos explaining new gear, photos of people using their stuff on their Instagram / Rogue: Nothing for days, then 100 identical stories in row of just screenshots of new shirt designs) * Rogue is deeper in the CrossFit community if you're into that, and sponsors more fitness events * Rep has more locations for picking up their products in person (in the US) * Rogue used to be more customizable / amenable to one-off requests in general, but I think a lot of that went away during the pandemic
Team Rogue here! And I live in Colorado, but REPs warehouse isn't in Colorado anymore so I don't feel like I betrayed the home team. Nothing beats the Ohio Power Bar, and 90% of my home gym is Rogue.
Love these reviews. One thing that could add value here is a summary slide of the side by side comparisons. Sort of the spreadsheet view of all your categories and the results. Then I could screenshot it. Just food for thought
I own select things from both companies. My REP PR-5000 in clear coat is a perfect piece of artwork. I can't imagine paying more for something else. I also can't stand the ergonomic dumbbells, so I got a set of REP's rubber hex dumbbells. Absolutely love the straight knurled handles. Can't go wrong with either, but I keep finding myself buying more and more stuff from REP and I've loved every single thing. Fantastic value.
Seriously though, originally I'd say that Rogue was better, but in last 2-3 years Rep has pulled ahead Rogue is like the Hare that went to sleep against the Tortoise
I'm just building my home gym, so I've had to piece things together as I could afford them. I have 8 3/4" stall mats for my flooring. I bought an adjustable bench on Amazon by a company called Youten, which I'm extremely happy with. It's quite sturdy to only cost $200. I bought an adjustable height power tower, also on Amazon for $140. I'm going to get the Quick Lock dumbells from Ironmaster in a couple of weeks as well as the Rep PR-1050 power rack. It'll fit under my short ceiling in my basement. I've also purchased 2 Ironmaster dumbell stands. I'm pretty happy with how things are coming along.
Barbells-Rogue Benches-REP New cool stuff-REP Customer Service-tie If I’m gonna spend $5k I’m probably gonna go Rogue because the free shipping makes it easier to go American made and makes the price close enough that I WANT to spend more on American made.
Depends on the bar - for me at least. Power bars/oly bars Rogue for sure. But I’ve always preferred the Again Faster Team Bar over the Ohio for general/CrossFit
I use mainly Rep gear in my gym, and I love it. Great quality, great functionality, great prices. I start with them for all research for new gear. I do prefer Rogue barbells because they offer shorter barbells and I’m in a small space. I also use Rogue bumpers because they are thinner.
The debate rages on! You made a lot of good points, Coop. I think the reputation Rogue has built will be hard to overcome, but Rep is gaining! Nice run down, and love all the data for comparison!
I'm over 40 years old now. And I started buy chrome fixed dumbbells. Because that's my last set and I'll keep using them. If your customers are older they should buy "nicer" equipment rather than just big weights.
I was in the Rogue Bar and Rack / REP bench club for a while. However, the introduction of the ARES just blew my mind. Rogue has the "Cave" but the ARES has the footprint that suits most home gyms. I can't believe Rogue hasn't come up with their own version. The price tag is a bit higher than I'd like for the ARES, but, I'm definitely leaning that way. Listen up Rogue...you've got about two more months to make an entry into the field before you lose another consumer to REP! LOL.
Same. I love the way Rogue racks look, the beefier and made in US I love. But that Athena/Ares blows the slinger out of the water. I REALLY want Rogue to come up with something similar.
Coop. Nice versus video. I probably lean towards Rogue, I'm seriously thinking and getting a pair of their Fatbells and maybe a kb. What about a Sorinex vs Rogue, comparison? I've been a subscriber for a while. Great and informative channel. Thank you for this.
I built my gym in the early pandemic, largely researching through this channel and similar resources like Basement Brandon and Garage Gym Lab. I mostly went with Rogue (aside from the benches). It seemed like the more established brand with more accessories and a stronger ecosystem. At the time, Rep was having some quality issues that made me suspicious of them, like how their strap safeties had failed and their belt squat attachment wasn't very good. But now, I wish I'd gone with Rep. It feels like Rep's quality has improved a lot, and their prices are often better. The biggest thing is the innovative products, though. Rogue's Slinger is embarrassing, and it doesn't seem like it's getting fixed, while Rep has the Ares. Rep has a built in lat pulldown / low row in a space efficient way, and Rogue has nothing like it. Rep keeps coming out with new stuff, and Rogue seems like it's focusing more on aesthetics or the university gym level rather than the home gym consumer. Did we really need a new dip bar instead of a working cable system? I've advised multiple friends to go with Rep, and none of them have regretted it. I hope Rogue sees this video and the comments under it and actually starts trying to innovate again.
Curious how Reps quality control is today. About 5 years ago I tried their competition and colored bumper plates. The competition plates have been great, however...my grey, 10lb colored bumpers have almost completely discolored to an almost orange tint. Have no idea what could cause that
Would you say the slinger with weight stack is a bad option? It’s basically an Athena-style with 1:1 ratio since you can’t have the adjustability of a single stack without 2:1 to allow movement of the pulleys up and down.
@@BrandonSchwartz1 The reviews on the Slinger seem pretty universally negative. I can't even consider it for my situation because of its vertical space requirements. Maybe it's better now that there are weight stacks for it, though? I just ordered the Surplus Strength UPS, which I'm very excited about, because I can fit it and can pair it with a drop-in Rhino for a high/low cable and low row / lat pulldown. It's funny to me though that third party companies are innovating more for Rogue owners than Rogue themselves.
@@jasongoodman4959I have the same setup of Rhino and Surplus UPS and I gotta say it’s not the greatest from a smoothness perspective and seated rows kinda feel like garbage. I’d much rather have a selectorized or even the UPS alone is unbelievably smooth feeling since it’s just 2 pulleys. If you wanna use the UPS with the loading pin and ignore the Rhino you’ll need some 1”-2” rubber mats to make it work. Otherwise your loading pin gets all messed up landing on the end of the rhino cable
Rep Fitness please redesign the leg attachment for your adjustable benches. Your current design is very painful on the knees and makes decline situps and decline benchpress almost impossible.
Hey man. You have been super detailed and doing a great job !! Loving the energy and info you provide !!! Can you please do a comparison between g20pro with another unit similar unit. I need to get an all in one garage gym. Many thanks in advance brother love from Portugal
Rep PR 4000 w plate loaded lat and Jammer arms, Rep zero gap, and Rep Iron plates. Rogue Ohio bar and Titan fitness leg extension leg curl machine. Everything works amazing and couldn’t be happier.
Or titan vs rep. Titan has more accessories to offer it seems. I always keep debating between these two brands but surely lower price with promos on titan products mostly wins but if when I also bring in post sales like any price adjustment or quality/shipping concern and you dealing with their customer service later oh boy that has not always been a fun experience rather exhausting so I have been rethinking my home gym brand choice for overall peace of mind. Not sure if others have similar experience.
Just invested in a Rep PR-5000 & ARES, as well as the new 5200 bench that’s coming out in a month or two & absolutely love the power rack & functional trainer so far. The price and versatility can’t be beat, the quality is among the best out there, and they’re a great company that’s constantly raising the bar (no pun intended) as you mentioned. I added the Rogue Pritchett pad to my PR-5000 and also bought a Rogue Ohio Bar and love both, and I’ll probably continue to mix and match future purchases from both companies going forward…..but overall I see myself leaning more heavily towards REP as I see them as a better value overall for equipment that’s almost exactly comparable quality. 💪
For pricing it's also worth mentioning that you can pick up REP orders from a showroom for 10% off the order (if you're lucky enough to live near one). I don't know if rogue offers that.
If i had to repurchase my entire home gym and could only choose one company, I'd choose REP. That said, there are some things Rogue makes that either REP does not make, or they just make it so much better. Like Coop said, its really product dependent. What i like about REP is that they market directly to home gym users, where Rogue markets more to commercial facilities and their sponsored athletes. You can tell the difference in quality, as Rogue tends to be quite a bit higher in quality, but you just cant beat REPs innovation and home gym focus right now. Their rack attached cable machines are the new gold standard, and no one else is even close.
These were the two companies that it came down to when putting together my home gym. It ultimately came down to rogue having so many made in USA options. Im willing to pay a little more for that, and with fitness being a lifelong pursuit, i can afford putting off a shiny new piece of equipment for a bit longer. FYI: Rogue US MIL SPEC bumper plates are american made. They are just a little on the thick side.
Right now, 100% of our gym has been built around rogue. We have the flat bench with the Thompson pad and the high-end adjustable with all the dumbbells and rack and rack attachments. I am very impressed with the rep fitness Aries 2.0 and I think I might swap out my rack and I’m hoping a lot of the rogue attachments will work on it.both my wife and I need to have cables and we just have not been impressed with the cable attachments at rogue. I think we’re going to make a switch and although I think rogue is a slightly higher quality brand I appreciate the innovation at rep fitness and we’re going to make a swap on the rack.
Just came across this video. I have mostly Rogue items. Like dumbbbells, kettlebells, a few dumper plates and a barbell. I’ll most likely end up getting one of their squat stands in the future. For Rep, I currently only have an adjustable bench. I’ll end up getting their DB rack just due to the price. I don’t really have a preference for one or the other, so I clearly have a mix of the two when my home gym is done. Just looking for the best price that I can afford and what fits my needs
Packaging could be something to compare them on. Most of my Rogue shipments come in a standard box with one piece of parchment separating multiple parts. Both barbells I purchased recently (CB-4 and curl bar) have punched the end of the shipping tube before arriving, and the end of both of my uprights were both exposed upon arrival (one piece of tape holding the end closed). You can blame the carrier, but Rogue could also do better on their end. The Velocidor and Ghost rollers had specialized packaging, but Rep seems to be leading in that space for the few things I’ve purchased. The open trap bar was way over packaged but I prefer that to seeing the product through the box.
My rack is Rep as are my Swiss bar and trap bar, my barbells are Rogue along with a few other pieces. In Canada, Rogue has superior shipping. If I order from Rogue it’s often shipped in a day, and I have waited up to 2 weeks for Rep to ship.
Love rogue. But it’s some of the stuff is super expensive which prices out the home gym buyer. The rhino is almost $4k. I would love to have it but just can’t justify. Rep has only recently become available in the country and I freakinnn love it. Will definitely get the pr5000 in the future and hopefully ares. Rogue just doesn’t compare with the slinger. Although I see that changing soon but assuming that will also be ridiculously expensive.. awesome video btw Coop! 😊
If someone doesn't have 4k then they dont have 4k. That said, your health is literally everything and the Rhino is a lifelong piece of equipment. Easily justifiable to those who can afford it IMO.
I have the REP 5000 rack with the Lat Pulldown and I love it. I also have the Urethane Dumbbells 5-50lb with the storage rack. The main reason I went with Rep was the price and all the extra attachments you can buy. With Rep I feel like you get more bang for your buck.
One thing that you failed to mention where Rep is killing Rogue is in the customization game. I personally own a Rogue Monster RM6 and had a Monster Lite 390BT before that. It would be nice to be able to buy additional uprights, and crossmember a la carte from Rogue in any color they offer. This is something Rep offers and something Rogue could easily do as well. Also a "rack builder" option could be nice for those looking for something custom.
I get what you're saying, BUT you can do the same thing with Rogue. Just have to reach out to Rogue HQ and they'll add uprights and crossmembers to your cart in any finish you desire.
@@hitleractually8180 I've heard that, but it should just be right there to add to your cart. You shouldn't have to reach out them them for a custom order. It's an easy fix and would be much appreciated.
I like my rep bench but a person is nuts to pay REP prices for China made stuff vs the same money for USA products from rogue. Hard for me to spend 350 on their barbells from rep imported from china vs a Ohio power bar for the same price made in Columbus ohio. Rep can claim they offer free shipping but they really dont. Every product has the price to ship baked into their final price. No company is going to ship metric tons of metal products for free its calculated in when they list the price.
It’s remarkable how people tolerate Reps high prices considering it’s Chinese Bench A is made in Columbus, Ohio Bench B is made in China Yet B costs 90% of A Makes no sense. Rep should be half the price
@youngcouplesparty9006 I love my Rep bench and Rep power rack. There I am, saving money for a strong enough equipment. The barbells are just hard for me to spend the same money for non USA made barbell. I also can get a cheaper barbell from rogue with their boneyard offers.
Another deal with rogue that I’m not sure you can do with REP (although since they’re doing free shipping, all the time it may not matter) If you live in that region of the country, you can actually drive to the rogue factory campus and pick up your order in person with a trailer and they’ll put it on a pallet and load it for you. I mean, if you have a significant amount of stuff especially weights that you’re ordering from them it really might be worth it if you lived within 500 miles just to make a road trip with your buddy for the weekend to go up there and get it get lunch turn around and come back.
If I had it to do over, I would probably choose REP, but at the time I chose ForceUSA (G20 Pro)...mostly because I lift alone and wanted the Smith machine integrated into the rack. My only regret with the ForceUSA rack, which I knew going in, but didn't appreciate enough, was the non-standard sized square tube used by ForceUSA, which eliminates the ability to use some innovative attachments made by other manufacturers. I have cable accessories, bars, plates, etc. from both REP and Rogue, though.
I'm a fan of both. I'll buy Rogue for some things and REP for others. Rogue, as you stated, has been around longer. Their warranty and customer service are excellent. REP is starting to kick it up a notch. I own their PR5000 w/ Ares pulley system, Open Trap Bar, and Cambered Swiss Bar. I have had to contact REP due to some QC issues. But, they have done a great job at helping me. Since you did a Rogue vs REP, what about doing a budget friendly comparison? Like Bars of Steel vs Titan?
Titan > BOS in terms of quality for their average product IMO. Titan has stepped up big time in recent years for product quality. BOS > Titan for customer service. I suggest Titan fitness over BOS usually, and I am Canadian (BOS is a Canadian company whereas Titan products need to be picked up at the border).
I really am waiting to see if Life Fitness comes out with an integrated cable trainer add on to the amazing Hammer Strength power racks. That would be my dream setup for an American made premium setup. My sales rep there told me they were working on some new stuff last year. Avoid crap made in PRC if possible.
I really like both, and have both. I've found myself leaning towards Rogue for things I know I want to last forever (Barbells, Plates, Rack) and Rep for things like speciality bars, benches where I feel I either don't want to invest extra money or the quality gap has been closed. TLDR on the most important things in my gym I lean Rogue, for other things I lean REP
when I first started building out my garage, I went all Rogue because they offered free shipping if you bought a rack. So everything from them. But over the last couple of years, I buy from whoever has stock in their warehouse and won’t break the bank. So I’ve got a mixture of Rep, Titan, and Bells of Steel. I’m trying to think of the last thing I bought from Rogue.
I have a variety of everything...eleiko, rogue, Elitefts, York, Cybex, Titan.... I try to find the best deal on equipment vs being dependent on a specific name brand.
@@mikemcconville2495 thanks for asking, I actually chose a Tonal and I am very impressed. Both my wife and I use it all the time and getting great results
Help me decide Rogue or Rep! I'm still waiting for a review of the Rogue Functional Trainer! Coop did a review on the Rep FT-5000 a few months ago... and im hoping there is a new vid coming soon via Rogue FT?!? I need to make a decision a year ago 🤪 The gym is all Rogue and Rep...but the question is, who gets to be the cable system. Help a coach out, Coop! Thanks.
I have a PR500 in clear coat. I love it and it looks awesome! But the coating needs work around the holes and laser cut logos. It’s developing little veins of rust under the finish, in areas I never even put attachments.
@@acefaaace it's been an awesome rack and it's a real eye catcher. I think they did a better job than rogue on the clear coat because they have the grind marks on the metal, looks sick. Just too bad it's starting to rust. Honestly, can't go wrong with either company.
Rust veins are common for clear coat racks. Same happens on the Sorinex. Surprisingly, I kinda like it and hope the entire rack gets the veins. I’m sure in time.
I am the same Coop! have products from both and honestly feel i cant go wrong with either and at the times i purchased it came down to sales so price was my deciding factor
I second this, get to work Coop!💪🏼 we need to know what has happened thus far within each company. I feel like both are great, but, "globally sourced" versus made in the USA hands down needs to be talked about. Which REP produces in general are USA made? Which ones should we stay away from generally? There has to be some sort of guide here. I'd assume all the uprights are made in one facility, where is that? Barbell facility? Ect
Both Rogue and REP are good companies. Currently, Rogue is still in the lead overall. Perhaps, some of REPs products are better on a benefit-cost basis. I believe that other companies are analyzing both REP and Rogue to improve their own products and the more competition in the home gym space is a great thing. When I was a teenager long before the Internet there was only York Barbell products. If you want to see cheap products buy York! Thank you for your informative reviews and keep up the good work for all of us and the industry! Merry Christmas 2023!!😁
I just created a Rogue account and spent $568.64 for the Jammer Pull-up bar and and Rogue RML Cross member pull up bar. I've been eye balling both for over a year now. Money well spent.
I love the fact that Rogue is employing Americans for fabrication and is using us steel in their products. That being said, my home gym rack is REP and I have 0 regrets about it. The quality is outstanding and the price difference was VAST. That is one part where I think Coop was misleading, the difference in a comparable rack and attachments was THOUSANDS of dollars after shipping, not hundreds.
Can you buy a 4 post rack from rep or rogue, and later add on to make it a 6 post? And or add the ares system to those racks? Looking to get something to get started, but that I can build onto.
One thing worth noting is that Rogue has presence in Europe while REP doesn't, yet. So for someone in Europe it's not even a competition :( On the REP site they state that they want to open up to Europeans in 2023 which is really good news. For example I bought a monster lite rack because REP was unfortunately not available to me. Also I bought ATX (german brand, would love to see some comparisons with REP and Rogue products) benches while I would have bought the REP benches if it would have been available to me
Can you do a review on Major Lutie SML07 and the Mikolo smith machine 2200 lbs cap or a comparison rather? I have been thinking about these two to add to my garage gym as a good affordable option.
Some good insights here. However, some points need additional clarification and counter-points.
REP is a family owned business, and while we have always invested into R&D, we really beefed up our quality team, engineering team, and our entire business the last few years. We have continued to push the envelope and have no plans to stop. We consider Rogue a great competitor and someone we respect as well. No bad blood as Coop mentioned.
Clarifications...
1) This must have been filmed awhile ago, as we launched our new barbells weeks ago and they have a similar lifetime warranty. We never really took a deep dive into barbells until recently, and we are really happy with our new lineup of bars. We showcased these at the Arnold Sports Festival and Home Gym Con and had great feedback. They should start making their way out in the wild in the next handful of weeks.
2) Neither us or Rogue have been around for decades as Coop mentions at @3:12. Rogue was established in 2008 vs us in 2012. A 4 year difference.
3) Coop is right in saying that our innovations have been more in-house. We haven't absorbed other companies, designs, or manufacturing existing products to push our innovation forward. Designing equipment in-house takes longer, but we believe ultimately leads to the best products.
4) Our upright measurements are 75mm x 75mm which is 2.95"... so super close to 3". People have added something similar small to make other companies attachments fit, like felt tape.
Regarding the price comparisons... I think some clarification is necessary.
1) Most people are buying a rack that is beyond the bare bones uprights and crossmembers. When you start adding attachments, that is where the price difference becomes even greater. It's also where we shine with our cable attachments like the Athena, Ares, and more. The price difference is even bigger when comparing the PR-5000 vs Monster. For example: spotter arms for that series - $210 vs ~$350 - A 60% difference.
2) The dumbbells is an interesting one that I think was a bit misleading - note: we have free shipping so rogue is estimated. When comparing the common 5-50 with our fully knurled dumbbells it's $1100 vs ~$1300 so a $200 difference. 5-75 is $2,280 vs ~$2,600+ so a $300+ difference. Finally the 5-100 set is $3600 vs ~$4250 which is about a $650 difference. It's extremely rare for anyone to buy a 2.5lb to 125lb with increments of 2.5 up to 30lbs as described - especially for a home gym. The full sets that are common purchases are better examples.
Other examples...
Safety squat bars... $330 vs ~$540
BlackWing Bench vs Manta Ray... $600 vs $1,070
AB-5000 ZeroGap vs AB3.... $600 vs $1200
If you're outfitting a home gym, we should typically come in hundreds if not thousands cheaper depending on what you get. To say that it "may" be a little bit cheaper... is a bit inaccurate. Having said that, we still stake someone's purchasing decision on innovation, value, customer support. No one beats us when considering all three.
REP has literally entered the chat lol
Congrats on the new bar launches! I'm trying to make a decision on a DL bar that I'll be picking up soon. Can you pretty please add or respond w/ the inside length dimension from collar to collar on the Hades bar? To me, it is an important dimension for a DL bar. I see you have sleeve and overall, but I don't know how thick the collars are so I can't deduce the math.
If I'm missing it somewhere on your site, please fact check me. Thanks for all of what your team does!
Lots of great points. I totally agree that the ares takes reps innovation to a whole new level. With that said, I purchased an ares and pr5000 recently and I had some questions that I emailed in and just never got a response on. After 3 emails, I finally called and connected to someone who was able to help me. Also, when I made my area/pr5000 purchase, the spotter arms were out of stock. I tried to use my points to purchase them, but was told I couldn't use more than $100 worth of points in a single transaction, even though I just dropped 5k...while I understand the terms of the rewards system, I was nonetheless disappointed
Thanks for clarifying on Coop's points! Seeing the price breakdowns is something I'll definitely be taking into consideration when building my home gym.
Rep could have flexed a little bit and pointed out that Rogue doesn't have anything close to the Ares/Athena 😆
Rogue has been phenomenal- the quality and overall heritage of quality has been awesome. I prefer the product being built and manufactured in the US and that their customer service is based here. Rep is solid and glad that the competition is tight. Great times for home gym folks.
My current setup is all REP and if I had more room then it would continue to be all REP.
I wish they would come out with a compact Leg extension/Leg Curl combo.
Rack mounted and bench attachment are both in the prototype phase. Coming soon.
@@REPfitness Another reason to prefer Rep - they respond to people in TH-cam comments sometimes! = )
@@REPfitness How will it compare to the Bulletproof Isolator?
@@REPfitnessDo you think you’ll make it compatible with Athena and/or Ares? I think a leg ext/leg curl for a home gym that utilizes a cable would really set itself above all of the free weight options on the market given the superior resistance curve.
@@REPfitness I was thinking more in the lines of a stand-alone plate loaded/selectorized machine. Like a Titan leg Extension/Curl machine but with the taste and character of REP Fitness. I promise it would sell like hot cakes.
Coop, thank you for all the reviews. I was totally going REP fitness after your recommendations, but I'm glad I found the Rogue Monster Lite Half Rack. It doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. Neither does the new Rogue shipping offers. I just bought the Monster Lite Half Rack with the Hybrid power bar, 8 deep dish plates, a full set of steel calibrated change plates (including 25lbs), Thompson Fat Pad bench, and few other goodies. Total shipping cost for everything...$75. I tried building out the same rig with REP and the difference was only a couple hundred bucks. So if you can buy several things at once with your rack, Rogue has narrowed that price gap considerably. Also, the Monster Lite Half Rack comes with some truly nice upgrades like the numbered uprights and included band pegs. After just putting this all together last night, I can say there is nothing "half" or "lite" about this rack and with 24" cross members, I can easily expand this rack into a full Monster Lite rack with storage by just ordering the extra parts from Rogue. ZERO REGRETS!
Came back to this video because I used this past Black Friday to buy basically an entire home gym all at once. I spent about 3-4 months leading up to that day researching all the brands and equipment. Thank you so much for this channel, the blog, etc. Absolutely integral for ability to make informed decisions.
Ultimately, like this video, the decision became a comparison of Rep vs Rogue. I went with Rep. For me, it came down to money and an educated guess about the future. Yes, the price each company charges is often close, but if one considers a rack, and a bench, and attachments, and cable systems, etc. then the small price difference adds up to thousands of dollars.
The quality difference that rogue seems to come ahead (sometimes) on is very small in my opinion, and I am just one man in a home gym. Functionally, I’ll never notice the difference in quality. But thousands of dollars, I’ll feel that right away.
I also found that Rep seems to be innovating more than rogue (even a year after this video came out) and I am excited for all the things I have yet to buy, and the pieces they will surely cone out with in the future.
Everything I bought is fantastic, couldn’t be happier. I’ll also say that Rep has been an excellent company to work with, possibly the best customer service I have ever seen in a company.
Small side note, I did buy an Ohio power bar from Rogue because it’s objectively awesome and a great value. Also, because I live in Columbus, had to give them a little respect 😆
As an Ares owner, I believe the Ares and Athena set a new standard for a cable system within a rack. I am seeing a lot of budget racks copy this design. Rogue's slinger is essentially awful in comparison. Rogue has been adding a lot of rack accessories but nothing that's as innovative as the Ares/Athena. I am looking forward to what both companies have to offer in the future.
Ares is just a copy of what bodykraft (and others I’m sure) already had but made to fit 3x3 racks. Budget racks copying that design are just copying the design Rep already copied if that makes sense.
@@airgordo4 Please provide the link to these "so called products". I just searched for bodykraft and nothing came up, not even a website. Stop making stuff up 😆
@@GenXFitnessI just bought a PR-5000 with the ARES attachment and I agree that it’s the best of both worlds combined into one solid package. I can’t say enough how much I’m loving both, and I’m hardly even using my Cybex Bravo functional trainer anymore now that I have the ARES on the power rack. They definitely knocked it out of the park with that release!
@@FitLabb First my condolences to your bank account 😂💸 You are going to love it! The Ares is a great gym centerpiece of any gym 👌🏾
The ares itself is a copy of a similar product that was already being sold by their own manufacturer. 😂
Both. I love my Rep PR-5000 ARES rack (93" 30+16 six post, stormtrooper scheme). But I love the Rogue 2.0 weight pegs, Rogue 2.0 leg rollers with those fantastic knurled knobs, Rogue 2.0 band pegs and Rogue 2.0 landmine. Add in my 2 stray dog GOATS and I'm set. Many vendors make great products. I'm glad they are all awesome!
Does Rogue even market to the home gym community or aren't they mainly focused on crossfit and local gyms?
All the above to be honest.
Rogue will be at HomeGymCon 2024!
I have a Rep 5000 Ares, Rep adjustable kettlebell, Rep 4100 bench, and a Rogue purchased Nuobell set. The build of all the Rep gear is beyond reproach. However, both companies sent my QC issues.
One of my Nuobells was inoperable out of the box. Rogue was friendly over the phone, communicated with the manufacturer on my behalf, and sent out a new adjustable handle. It was smooth, BUT, it the whole process took about a month.
Both front lower pulley brackets on my Rep 5000 Ares were, while gorgeous, inoperable. The pulleys themselves were crushed in their housing and impossible to remove. Therefore my $5000 rack was useless. Rep has immediately shipped out two replacement brackets no questions asked. Shipping says it will arrive today.
Don’t think you can go too wrong with either company.
Life Fitness and Hammer Strength is the gold standard in my book even though expensive and they have not yet come up with integrated functional cable trainer with their power racks. If they did, that would be my top choice. Wealthy bodybuilders like the Rock use only Hammer Strength and commercial USA made quality but expensive.
Thanks for the shout out!
I just built my home gym and it is almost all REP products. PR-5000 w/the Ares set up. I only have a small space and wanted both a power rack and a functional trainer. The Ares is almost the only option out there when space is limited. I absolutely love my set up. Overall I feel REP products are just more fun. Designs and color options. The PR-5000 and the Blackwing bench are absolute beasts. So well made. I do own a Rogue Ohio Bar and a few sets of collars. Thanks for input Coop. Loved the video.
Hi, I love your Videos! Its just sad that its really hard to find someone doing this over here in Eleiko-land with european products! I think Eleiko is just too expensive, and now I have ordered a barbell, weights and bench from a German company called ATX Fitness instead! Do you have any plans on checking out more of the european market, or is the shipping just too much?
Other differences not mentioned in the video:
* Rep's assembly instructions and processes are generally much better than Rogue's
* Rep's marketing is generally way better than Rogue's (Rep: cool trailer videos explaining new gear, photos of people using their stuff on their Instagram / Rogue: Nothing for days, then 100 identical stories in row of just screenshots of new shirt designs)
* Rogue is deeper in the CrossFit community if you're into that, and sponsors more fitness events
* Rep has more locations for picking up their products in person (in the US)
* Rogue used to be more customizable / amenable to one-off requests in general, but I think a lot of that went away during the pandemic
Team Rogue here! And I live in Colorado, but REPs warehouse isn't in Colorado anymore so I don't feel like I betrayed the home team. Nothing beats the Ohio Power Bar, and 90% of my home gym is Rogue.
Love these reviews. One thing that could add value here is a summary slide of the side by side comparisons. Sort of the spreadsheet view of all your categories and the results. Then I could screenshot it. Just food for thought
To me , Rogue must have an answer to the Ares , period. The slinger is not it. Until they have an answer to THAT 😬
I own select things from both companies. My REP PR-5000 in clear coat is a perfect piece of artwork. I can't imagine paying more for something else. I also can't stand the ergonomic dumbbells, so I got a set of REP's rubber hex dumbbells. Absolutely love the straight knurled handles. Can't go wrong with either, but I keep finding myself buying more and more stuff from REP and I've loved every single thing. Fantastic value.
Seriously though, originally I'd say that Rogue was better, but in last 2-3 years Rep has pulled ahead
Rogue is like the Hare that went to sleep against the Tortoise
That is a pretty accurate analogy.
Rogue too expensive with shipping cost
Exactly, they made the slinger and thought it would be fine then rep comes out with the ares while they're sleeping
@johnhernandez4763, not really, USA made products for the same prices as rep charges from charges.
@zack9912000 Not so, compare a fullu loaded pr-5000 vs a fully loaded monster rack, the PR-5000 will be significantly cheaper
I'm just building my home gym, so I've had to piece things together as I could afford them. I have 8 3/4" stall mats for my flooring. I bought an adjustable bench on Amazon by a company called Youten, which I'm extremely happy with. It's quite sturdy to only cost $200.
I bought an adjustable height power tower, also on Amazon for $140.
I'm going to get the Quick Lock dumbells from Ironmaster in a couple of weeks as well as the Rep PR-1050 power rack. It'll fit under my short ceiling in my basement.
I've also purchased 2 Ironmaster dumbell stands.
I'm pretty happy with how things are coming along.
Mostly REP now, but still Rouge barbells.
Barbells-Rogue
Benches-REP
New cool stuff-REP
Customer Service-tie
If I’m gonna spend $5k I’m probably gonna go Rogue because the free shipping makes it easier to go American made and makes the price close enough that I WANT to spend more on American made.
Depends on the bar - for me at least. Power bars/oly bars Rogue for sure.
But I’ve always preferred the Again Faster Team Bar over the Ohio for general/CrossFit
@@ryanunderwood6827 are they still in business??
I can’t wait for the new rep barbells to fully go to rep side
@@junioralvarado629 Yeah, their new barbells look really good. REP rack with the Ares cable attachment, Blackwing, and I'll be good to go.
I use mainly Rep gear in my gym, and I love it. Great quality, great functionality, great prices. I start with them for all research for new gear. I do prefer Rogue barbells because they offer shorter barbells and I’m in a small space. I also use Rogue bumpers because they are thinner.
I’d love to see a comparison between Sorinex and Rogue.
The debate rages on! You made a lot of good points, Coop. I think the reputation Rogue has built will be hard to overcome, but Rep is gaining! Nice run down, and love all the data for comparison!
I'm over 40 years old now. And I started buy chrome fixed dumbbells. Because that's my last set and I'll keep using them. If your customers are older they should buy "nicer" equipment rather than just big weights.
I was in the Rogue Bar and Rack / REP bench club for a while. However, the introduction of the ARES just blew my mind. Rogue has the "Cave" but the ARES has the footprint that suits most home gyms. I can't believe Rogue hasn't come up with their own version. The price tag is a bit higher than I'd like for the ARES, but, I'm definitely leaning that way. Listen up Rogue...you've got about two more months to make an entry into the field before you lose another consumer to REP! LOL.
Same. I love the way Rogue racks look, the beefier and made in US I love. But that Athena/Ares blows the slinger out of the water. I REALLY want Rogue to come up with something similar.
Coop.
Nice versus video. I probably lean towards Rogue, I'm seriously thinking and getting a pair of their Fatbells and maybe a kb.
What about a Sorinex vs Rogue, comparison?
I've been a subscriber for a while. Great and informative channel. Thank you for this.
@GarageGymReviews_ Do tell...
I built my gym in the early pandemic, largely researching through this channel and similar resources like Basement Brandon and Garage Gym Lab. I mostly went with Rogue (aside from the benches). It seemed like the more established brand with more accessories and a stronger ecosystem. At the time, Rep was having some quality issues that made me suspicious of them, like how their strap safeties had failed and their belt squat attachment wasn't very good. But now, I wish I'd gone with Rep. It feels like Rep's quality has improved a lot, and their prices are often better. The biggest thing is the innovative products, though. Rogue's Slinger is embarrassing, and it doesn't seem like it's getting fixed, while Rep has the Ares. Rep has a built in lat pulldown / low row in a space efficient way, and Rogue has nothing like it. Rep keeps coming out with new stuff, and Rogue seems like it's focusing more on aesthetics or the university gym level rather than the home gym consumer. Did we really need a new dip bar instead of a working cable system? I've advised multiple friends to go with Rep, and none of them have regretted it. I hope Rogue sees this video and the comments under it and actually starts trying to innovate again.
Curious how Reps quality control is today. About 5 years ago I tried their competition and colored bumper plates. The competition plates have been great, however...my grey, 10lb colored bumpers have almost completely discolored to an almost orange tint. Have no idea what could cause that
@@tier1detailing don't most comp bumpers come from the same factory in China though?
Would you say the slinger with weight stack is a bad option? It’s basically an Athena-style with 1:1 ratio since you can’t have the adjustability of a single stack without 2:1 to allow movement of the pulleys up and down.
@@BrandonSchwartz1 The reviews on the Slinger seem pretty universally negative. I can't even consider it for my situation because of its vertical space requirements. Maybe it's better now that there are weight stacks for it, though?
I just ordered the Surplus Strength UPS, which I'm very excited about, because I can fit it and can pair it with a drop-in Rhino for a high/low cable and low row / lat pulldown. It's funny to me though that third party companies are innovating more for Rogue owners than Rogue themselves.
@@jasongoodman4959I have the same setup of Rhino and Surplus UPS and I gotta say it’s not the greatest from a smoothness perspective and seated rows kinda feel like garbage. I’d much rather have a selectorized or even the UPS alone is unbelievably smooth feeling since it’s just 2 pulleys. If you wanna use the UPS with the loading pin and ignore the Rhino you’ll need some 1”-2” rubber mats to make it work. Otherwise your loading pin gets all messed up landing on the end of the rhino cable
Still waiting on Rogue Manta Ray versus Rep Blackwing comparison video.
Rep Fitness please redesign the leg attachment for your adjustable benches. Your current design is very painful on the knees and makes decline situps and decline benchpress almost impossible.
Hey man. You have been super detailed and doing a great job !! Loving the energy and info you provide !!!
Can you please do a comparison between g20pro with another unit similar unit.
I need to get an all in one garage gym.
Many thanks in advance brother love from Portugal
Rep PR 4000 w plate loaded lat and Jammer arms, Rep zero gap, and Rep Iron plates. Rogue Ohio bar and Titan fitness leg extension leg curl machine. Everything works amazing and couldn’t be happier.
As usual great inside info!!!!
Consumers win when companies like this compete. I have products from both. They're both great. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
you should review bells of steel vs titan fitness. That would be interesting.
Or titan vs rep. Titan has more accessories to offer it seems. I always keep debating between these two brands but surely lower price with promos on titan products mostly wins but if when I also bring in post sales like any price adjustment or quality/shipping concern and you dealing with their customer service later oh boy that has not always been a fun experience rather exhausting so I have been rethinking my home gym brand choice for overall peace of mind. Not sure if others have similar experience.
Rep is so much better then titan. I was thinking titan vs bells of steel idea is also a good idea since they are in the same cheap league
I use both! I have a REP rack and bench with Rogue barbell and weighs. Love them both.
Titan and Bells Of Steel and Texas Power. 💯
Any chance you could eventually review the new Rogue/Woodway Curve LTG Treadmill (and compare it to the Assault Air Runner Pro)? Thanks!
Just invested in a Rep PR-5000 & ARES, as well as the new 5200 bench that’s coming out in a month or two & absolutely love the power rack & functional trainer so far. The price and versatility can’t be beat, the quality is among the best out there, and they’re a great company that’s constantly raising the bar (no pun intended) as you mentioned.
I added the Rogue Pritchett pad to my PR-5000 and also bought a Rogue Ohio Bar and love both, and I’ll probably continue to mix and match future purchases from both companies going forward…..but overall I see myself leaning more heavily towards REP as I see them as a better value overall for equipment that’s almost exactly comparable quality. 💪
For pricing it's also worth mentioning that you can pick up REP orders from a showroom for 10% off the order (if you're lucky enough to live near one). I don't know if rogue offers that.
If i had to repurchase my entire home gym and could only choose one company, I'd choose REP. That said, there are some things Rogue makes that either REP does not make, or they just make it so much better. Like Coop said, its really product dependent. What i like about REP is that they market directly to home gym users, where Rogue markets more to commercial facilities and their sponsored athletes. You can tell the difference in quality, as Rogue tends to be quite a bit higher in quality, but you just cant beat REPs innovation and home gym focus right now. Their rack attached cable machines are the new gold standard, and no one else is even close.
These were the two companies that it came down to when putting together my home gym. It ultimately came down to rogue having so many made in USA options. Im willing to pay a little more for that, and with fitness being a lifelong pursuit, i can afford putting off a shiny new piece of equipment for a bit longer.
FYI: Rogue US MIL SPEC bumper plates are american made. They are just a little on the thick side.
Right now, 100% of our gym has been built around rogue. We have the flat bench with the Thompson pad and the high-end adjustable with all the dumbbells and rack and rack attachments. I am very impressed with the rep fitness Aries 2.0 and I think I might swap out my rack and I’m hoping a lot of the rogue attachments will work on it.both my wife and I need to have cables and we just have not been impressed with the cable attachments at rogue. I think we’re going to make a switch and although I think rogue is a slightly higher quality brand I appreciate the innovation at rep fitness and we’re going to make a swap on the rack.
Can u make videos on plyo boxes and med balls
Could you do a couple cap vs rouge and rep, videos would like to know how big the gap is between the bottom and top.
Just came across this video. I have mostly Rogue items. Like dumbbbells, kettlebells, a few dumper plates and a barbell. I’ll most likely end up getting one of their squat stands in the future. For Rep, I currently only have an adjustable bench. I’ll end up getting their DB rack just due to the price. I don’t really have a preference for one or the other, so I clearly have a mix of the two when my home gym is done. Just looking for the best price that I can afford and what fits my needs
Can we get a hades and helios barbell review?
In the works. - Coop
REP here in the UK as Rogue is harder to get, although good shipping options now to the UK from the US.
I m buying from Rogue Europe and I m very happy with their products and service. Top company
Packaging could be something to compare them on. Most of my Rogue shipments come in a standard box with one piece of parchment separating multiple parts. Both barbells I purchased recently (CB-4 and curl bar) have punched the end of the shipping tube before arriving, and the end of both of my uprights were both exposed upon arrival (one piece of tape holding the end closed). You can blame the carrier, but Rogue could also do better on their end. The Velocidor and Ghost rollers had specialized packaging, but Rep seems to be leading in that space for the few things I’ve purchased. The open trap bar was way over packaged but I prefer that to seeing the product through the box.
My rack is Rep as are my Swiss bar and trap bar, my barbells are Rogue along with a few other pieces. In Canada, Rogue has superior shipping. If I order from Rogue it’s often shipped in a day, and I have waited up to 2 weeks for Rep to ship.
Love rogue. But it’s some of the stuff is super expensive which prices out the home gym buyer. The rhino is almost $4k. I would love to have it but just can’t justify. Rep has only recently become available in the country and I freakinnn love it. Will definitely get the pr5000 in the future and hopefully ares. Rogue just doesn’t compare with the slinger. Although I see that changing soon but assuming that will also be ridiculously expensive.. awesome video btw Coop! 😊
If someone doesn't have 4k then they dont have 4k. That said, your health is literally everything and the Rhino is a lifelong piece of equipment. Easily justifiable to those who can afford it IMO.
@@youngcouplesparty9006 thanks for the insight.
@@youngcouplesparty9006the “for the health” argument justifying dropping that kind of cash is quite a stretch lmao.
Started out with Walmart type lifting, biggest jump up was to Rouge Yoke setup, and im now about to switch over to Rep Ares 5000
Best thing is you can try em both at next years Home Gym Con in French Lick, Indiana.
I have the REP 5000 rack with the Lat Pulldown and I love it. I also have the Urethane Dumbbells 5-50lb with the storage rack. The main reason I went with Rep was the price and all the extra attachments you can buy. With Rep I feel like you get more bang for your buck.
I went Rogue for Rack & Bar, Rep for Bench & Titan for plates. Oh and tractor supply for ya know..
One thing that you failed to mention where Rep is killing Rogue is in the customization game. I personally own a Rogue Monster RM6 and had a Monster Lite 390BT before that. It would be nice to be able to buy additional uprights, and crossmember a la carte from Rogue in any color they offer. This is something Rep offers and something Rogue could easily do as well. Also a "rack builder" option could be nice for those looking for something custom.
I get what you're saying, BUT you can do the same thing with Rogue. Just have to reach out to Rogue HQ and they'll add uprights and crossmembers to your cart in any finish you desire.
@@hitleractually8180 I've heard that, but it should just be right there to add to your cart. You shouldn't have to reach out them them for a custom order. It's an easy fix and would be much appreciated.
I like my rep bench but a person is nuts to pay REP prices for China made stuff vs the same money for USA products from rogue. Hard for me to spend 350 on their barbells from rep imported from china vs a Ohio power bar for the same price made in Columbus ohio. Rep can claim they offer free shipping but they really dont. Every product has the price to ship baked into their final price. No company is going to ship metric tons of metal products for free its calculated in when they list the price.
It’s remarkable how people tolerate Reps high prices considering it’s Chinese
Bench A is made in Columbus, Ohio
Bench B is made in China
Yet B costs 90% of A
Makes no sense. Rep should be half the price
@youngcouplesparty9006 I love my Rep bench and Rep power rack. There I am, saving money for a strong enough equipment. The barbells are just hard for me to spend the same money for non USA made barbell. I also can get a cheaper barbell from rogue with their boneyard offers.
I’m brand new to home gyms. Great review! Any opinions on Bowflex or Torque Fitness? Or even NordicTrac? Thanks
Another deal with rogue that I’m not sure you can do with REP (although since they’re doing free shipping, all the time it may not matter)
If you live in that region of the country, you can actually drive to the rogue factory campus and pick up your order in person with a trailer and they’ll put it on a pallet and load it for you. I mean, if you have a significant amount of stuff especially weights that you’re ordering from them it really might be worth it if you lived within 500 miles just to make a road trip with your buddy for the weekend to go up there and get it get lunch turn around and come back.
All being equal. Just remember when you spend money in local economy some will come back to you. If you spend it in other countries it’s gone.
If I had it to do over, I would probably choose REP, but at the time I chose ForceUSA (G20 Pro)...mostly because I lift alone and wanted the Smith machine integrated into the rack. My only regret with the ForceUSA rack, which I knew going in, but didn't appreciate enough, was the non-standard sized square tube used by ForceUSA, which eliminates the ability to use some innovative attachments made by other manufacturers. I have cable accessories, bars, plates, etc. from both REP and Rogue, though.
Posting early in the video but if he doesn’t talk about it. Reps customer service in my experience is far better than rogues.
I'm a fan of both. I'll buy Rogue for some things and REP for others.
Rogue, as you stated, has been around longer. Their warranty and customer service are excellent.
REP is starting to kick it up a notch. I own their PR5000 w/ Ares pulley system, Open Trap Bar, and Cambered Swiss Bar. I have had to contact REP due to some QC issues. But, they have done a great job at helping me.
Since you did a Rogue vs REP, what about doing a budget friendly comparison? Like Bars of Steel vs Titan?
@user-tt3gm6vx4j seems legit
Titan > BOS in terms of quality for their average product IMO. Titan has stepped up big time in recent years for product quality. BOS > Titan for customer service. I suggest Titan fitness over BOS usually, and I am Canadian (BOS is a Canadian company whereas Titan products need to be picked up at the border).
This is why its good that we can wait for sales to happen from each and have a gym filled with a bunch of companies.
I really am waiting to see if Life Fitness comes out with an integrated cable trainer add on to the amazing Hammer Strength power racks. That would be my dream setup for an American made premium setup. My sales rep there told me they were working on some new stuff last year. Avoid crap made in PRC if possible.
I really like both, and have both. I've found myself leaning towards Rogue for things I know I want to last forever (Barbells, Plates, Rack) and Rep for things like speciality bars, benches where I feel I either don't want to invest extra money or the quality gap has been closed.
TLDR on the most important things in my gym I lean Rogue, for other things I lean REP
when I first started building out my garage, I went all Rogue because they offered free shipping if you bought a rack. So everything from them. But over the last couple of years, I buy from whoever has stock in their warehouse and won’t break the bank. So I’ve got a mixture of Rep, Titan, and Bells of Steel. I’m trying to think of the last thing I bought from Rogue.
Please review the Kabuki Transformer Bar. I would like to hear your thoughts.
I have a variety of everything...eleiko, rogue, Elitefts, York, Cybex, Titan.... I try to find the best deal on equipment vs being dependent on a specific name brand.
I’m going to build a home gym from scratch, will go with REP. The Ares is what clenched it. Thanks for the reviews Coop!
Do you have an update?
@@mikemcconville2495 thanks for asking, I actually chose a Tonal and I am very impressed. Both my wife and I use it all the time and getting great results
REP shipping to Canada, big yikes on the pricing
Totally agree with you on that my PR4000 478$ of shipping but rogue also has a hefty shipping price with their racks
Help me decide Rogue or Rep!
I'm still waiting for a review of the Rogue Functional Trainer! Coop did a review on the Rep FT-5000 a few months ago... and im hoping there is a new vid coming soon via Rogue FT?!? I need to make a decision a year ago 🤪 The gym is all Rogue and Rep...but the question is, who gets to be the cable system. Help a coach out, Coop! Thanks.
What do you think of the load able dumbbell?
I have a PR500 in clear coat. I love it and it looks awesome! But the coating needs work around the holes and laser cut logos. It’s developing little veins of rust under the finish, in areas I never even put attachments.
good to know, still thinking about the clear coat since I'm buying the 5000 next week
@@acefaaace it's been an awesome rack and it's a real eye catcher. I think they did a better job than rogue on the clear coat because they have the grind marks on the metal, looks sick. Just too bad it's starting to rust. Honestly, can't go wrong with either company.
Rust veins are common for clear coat racks. Same happens on the Sorinex. Surprisingly, I kinda like it and hope the entire rack gets the veins. I’m sure in time.
I don't want to offend, but is garage home gym the number one go to for these types of products?
I am the same Coop! have products from both and honestly feel i cant go wrong with either and at the times i purchased it came down to sales so price was my deciding factor
What if you did a Made in the USA comparison btwn Rogue and Sorinex?
I kinda suspect Soronix doesn’t have an affiliate program, therefore there’s less money for TH-camrs.
And probably no free equipment to review.
I'd be interesting in a video series that does company deep dives: History, place in market, best products, etc
I second this, get to work Coop!💪🏼 we need to know what has happened thus far within each company. I feel like both are great, but, "globally sourced" versus made in the USA hands down needs to be talked about. Which REP produces in general are USA made? Which ones should we stay away from generally? There has to be some sort of guide here. I'd assume all the uprights are made in one facility, where is that? Barbell facility? Ect
Both Rogue and REP are good companies. Currently, Rogue is still in the lead overall. Perhaps, some of REPs products are better on a benefit-cost basis. I believe that other companies are analyzing both REP and Rogue to improve their own products and the more competition in the home gym space is a great thing. When I was a teenager long before the Internet there was only York Barbell products. If you want to see cheap products buy York! Thank you for your informative reviews and keep up the good work for all of us and the industry! Merry Christmas 2023!!😁
Rogue would be my go to company. The only Rep product I would shop for would be there benches.
I’ve got rogue kb, rep kb, cff pro elite squat stands, Vulcan strength bench. The Best Buy is used equipment to save big time.
I go with REP for my rack and attachments. I like the cost savings and quality. Rouge is my my go to for KG plates.
I support American steel and labor whenever I have the opportunity. It's important to sustain the United States' ability to manufacture products.
Hey Coop, Im trying to decide between the Rogue yoke or Reps new Oxylus what do you suggest? Thank you
Can you please review the prime fitness prodigy HLP selectorized rack
I just created a Rogue account and spent $568.64 for the Jammer Pull-up bar and and Rogue RML Cross member pull up bar. I've been eye balling both for over a year now. Money well spent.
I love the fact that Rogue is employing Americans for fabrication and is using us steel in their products.
That being said, my home gym rack is REP and I have 0 regrets about it. The quality is outstanding and the price difference was VAST. That is one part where I think Coop was misleading, the difference in a comparable rack and attachments was THOUSANDS of dollars after shipping, not hundreds.
Nice review
Rep. I have a Rogue Monster Lite and it feels like Rogue forgot about that series of racks in terms of accessories.
Great job Coop!😊
Have you tested ATX power racks?
Rep guy here
I like Rouge's bars because of the massive selection. Shipping is fast and cheap as well. REP can never keep bars in stock!🤬
Can you buy a 4 post rack from rep or rogue, and later add on to make it a 6 post? And or add the ares system to those racks? Looking to get something to get started, but that I can build onto.
Wait, so its straight knurled handle on a dumbbell is innovative, but a contour ergo handle is plain?
One thing worth noting is that Rogue has presence in Europe while REP doesn't, yet. So for someone in Europe it's not even a competition :( On the REP site they state that they want to open up to Europeans in 2023 which is really good news. For example I bought a monster lite rack because REP was unfortunately not available to me. Also I bought ATX (german brand, would love to see some comparisons with REP and Rogue products) benches while I would have bought the REP benches if it would have been available to me
Rep and titan been piecing my gym as i need things looked at rogue pricing doesn't make sense unless your making large orders at once
how do you prevent your gym equipment from rusting if it is outdoors
Can you do a review on Major Lutie SML07 and the Mikolo smith machine 2200 lbs cap or a comparison rather? I have been thinking about these two to add to my garage gym as a good affordable option.
Coop, can you please do a review on the Major Lutie PLM03 power rack