for me the Tiger sport 660 defines the true meaning of sports touring. It is agile and quick yet it has enough comfort for longer rides. Unlike the other heavy bikes on the list
Great list and great vid but I think you should have at least mentioned the BMW R1250RS , it is a bike I believe is being overlooked and is underrated but in fact it is a wonderful sport Turing machine, lighter than the RT and K1600 but still very comfortable, it is very nimble and agile while using the famous R motor with enough HP and lots of torque.
I prefer smaller bikes. RS660, Tracer 7 and 9. Seems to have everything for the road. That NT1100 does look pretty good though. Nice understressed engine. And going to be super reliable.
Not sure why he forgot the Goat of the 650 sport touring class... the SV650... I've had my 2002 for 4 years and have 40,000 kms now.... and for biking in Canada where you can't for 4 months of the year, thats pretty damn good... Suzuki for the win... forget the other garbage
To me the choice is divided between the GSX S1000 GT and the Honda NT1100. I just can't get past how ugly I think the Tracer 9 GT looks, with that scooba diver dash, duckface front and so many people complaining about how bad the windscreen is.
A constantly overlooked bike in this category which is superior to the Ninja or the suzuki is the Versys 1000. Much more comfortable for 2 up touring and quite a capable bike in it's own right, definitely more bike than the Tracer, I've ridden both and would take the Versys every time.
I’ve ridden everything for 58 years. The touring motorcycle is half of what you get on a gsa. You get everything a touring bike offers on a gsa plus the ability to go off-road if you want to or have to. You can make the gsa lower and cushier by choosing a soft and low stance on the ESA. I have a 30” inseam. I easily flatfoot the std gsa with the seat and settings on soft and low. When I get on an interstate I set the height to automatic because I enjoy being higher on interstates with no stoplights etc. In Europe I have a Yamaha T700. The best bike for Europe.
I’ve got adaptive cruise control on my car and it occasionally brakes for cars taking an exit. It also awkwardly holds the speed of the vehicle in front of you until you are fully in the passing lane which I always have to override with my foot to keep from being a roadblock. Finally, once in a blue moon, it brakes for a phantom it sees. If motorcycle adaptive cruise controls suffer from these ills, I’m not interested. I do love the “blind” cruise control on my bike, though, and use it constantly.
Good Stuff. Tracer 9GT and GSX-S1000-GT really appeal to me. Although all the reviews I've seen on the Tracer 9GT say the noise of the tall screen is terrible, and I wasn't able to get a test ride on a Tracer 9 GT last year . Finding rocking horse "jobbies" would have been easier ! Triumph really need to replace the Sprint that they dropped a few years back. There's a sports tourer sized hole in Triumph's model line up. I'm glad that the obsession with adventure bikes seems to be on the wane. When I've ridden 18 , 19 inch wheel high up adventure bikes, the handling seemed vague, and they all look ugly to me !
re: Guzzi V100, acquired taste comments. I'm qualified to say the following as I write comments on occasion. The Guzzi looks fantastic and comment sections are daft 🤘
My favourite is the triumph tiger 660, Yamaha tracer 900, Suzuki gsxs 1000 gt, and KTM Super Duke GT. What about the BMW R1250 RS. is that a great sports touring bike? Have you done a video on yezdi motorcycles?
Terrific to see interesting additions and growth in this category, especially at the more affordable end with the Tiger and GSX. I’m intrigued by the promise of the V100, but can they offer it at a competitive price and with all the touring add ons?
Really looking forward to the new Guzzi and your review. Also the new Harley looks to be a real step towards a new design, or at least a real step for Harley, which is like a baby step for any other company! Great work as always Bob.
Great review, I'm looking forward to seeing both the Suzuki S1000GT and Guzzi V100, would be interested to know if the Guzzi are going to offer a hard pannier option on the V100. Interesting comment about the BMW R18 and it undercutting the price of the equivalent Harley, as both a BMW and Harley owner I can tell you for sure that if you spec the BMW up with all the bells and whistles the price will surpass that of the equivalent Harley.
have been waiting for the Tracer 9 GT here in Malaysia for so long. But alas it came into Malaysia with a rm70K (without insurance, road tax) price tag and it comes without panniers and the side cases. It is such a rip off!!!
Great roundup video. Looking forward to seeing more Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on bikes. It’s fair to say that bike manufacturers generally don’t do good interfaces.
Still no word if the NT1100 is coming to Canada. I think it’s a smart looking bike and for what you’re getting for the price, it’s a good deal. I don’t mind the looks either. There’s nothing ‘weird’ about it that sticks out as ‘ugly’ . Great vid as usual!
This is horses for courses thing.. adv bikes are for me ....but love the choice we are now getting for a lower.. lighter.. affordable...comfy riding postition ..slightly simpler bike....👍👍👍
thanks for the great update from South Africa 🇿🇦. I was looking forward to the ACC on the K, but was very disappointed that they not fitted on the 22 models. Ended up picking up the last k16GT a few weeks ago. I am not a fan of LED screens, and was not worth the new price tag. I love the new H2 SX SE, but here in SA, it cost over 30k pounds.....crazy dough. safe riding
Moto Corsa (dealership) says the V100 from Moto Guzzi won’t be in the UK until late 2022 or early 2023. That’s well over a year since their publicity launch at Eicma motorcycle show. WHY ?
Yamaha FJR1300. 200 lb lighter than a Goldwing 6.6 gallon fuel tank (vs 5.6) for better range. Comfortable with all of the technology you would want or need and will carve up corners like no Goldwing can even think about.
I chose the R1250RT (2020) because it did everything, not fantastically, but really well. I live in Cape Town RSA and am blessed by some of the best motorcycling roads around. The RT is, IMO, a GS in pure road trim. Strip off the panniers and top box and she'll hang with da crotch rockets in the mountains all day, you wanna see their faces coming out of tight hairpins and the RT's grunt just kills them. I've toured over 28000km since delivery in June 2020 and i would recommend the RT purely for it's neat but ugly, all BMW's are fugly, looks and that engine!!!!
To be honest the Kawasaki deem to offer a lot. As a medium, lighter cruiser. Or sports cruiser. If I want to go all out the Goldwing is my personal preference. But for for now, I just drive my old CB600F and RX650R's 😁👍
Good review. Looked at the NT1100 at the MCN show but didn’t even bother climbing on, it just looks so “meh” . Suzuki and Kawasaki’s looked great, ghat H2 SX SE is just amazing, but mental.
For pure touring i like bare bones no fiddly electronic crap that fails on the most remote roads so my good old Road King wont be replaced anytime soon.
I’d appreciate a video about bikes that are actually available. I’ve tried to buy two of these MSRP, is fine (NT1100 + Suzuki GT) and nope - no go. And, isn’t the Guzzi V100 just a figment of the Internet’s imagination?
I loved seeing all these bikes in a nice, succinct video! This is extremely informative. Regarding active cruise control on BMWs, I don't think it is currently available on the R 1250 RT bikes, at least not in the USA. It's not even listed as an option on their website here in the states. I imagine it is because of chip shortage and supply chain issues.
The Guzzi will spend one month in the shoppe (if one exists in your area) for every 6 hours on the road. Were that not true, I would be the proud owner of the V85TT.
My pick is not mentioned here, it's the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT with 8 gallon tank. Room to stretch your legs, good wind protection and some versatility as an excellent tourer with some performance, a 600 just isn't going to cut it.
Tiger Sport has no cruise, not even an option and the GSXS1000GT isn't in dealers until July (which is what a big dealer near me has said) Both are therefore a (big) miss for me
Tiger 660 looks pretty nice, but it will be a long while before anyone has a better package than Yamaha with the Tracer 9GT. One still has to concider the reputation for reliability that the Japanese have deservedly built for half a century.
Call me old school or an old man yelling at a cloud, but that H2 seems like it has "too much technology" I'm sure it's a great bike, but all that tech makes me feel like it would be distracting from the riding experience.
Well, you certainly have shown a lot of choices. I disagree with the description of many of these bikes as Touring Bikes. I would be hard pressed to ride all day on most of them. That doesn't mean that they are not nice bikes, but I think they would be more aptly called Day Touring bikes. Most of the luggage bags that the smaller bikes have are insufficient to do any decent tour. And you also have other issues. A small windscreen does not offer any real protection. Riders have to make decisions about what they want or need in a bike to do the job they want. Decreased weight, less comfort for touring. Increased weight usually means a bigger fairing, bags and maybe even shaft drive and water cooling. I still think that we can agree that manufacturers should still work at making a better bike. My wife used to have a Honda GL650 Silver Wing, and it seemed to have all of the features that most long distance touring riders would like. A regular Honda fairing that was on the Gold Wing, Shaft Drive, Water Cooled, factory bags and a rear seat the was removable and the trunk was made to fasten in its place which centered the weight better, and gave the rider a back rest. Now because it was an 83 product, and it's been well over 30 years of engine development I think that this would result in a bike that had great ground clearance, and enough storage for going cross the continent, as she did on the 650.
@@user-rf9me7xm1w Well, so far they didn't, they think is normal for a bike not to start when the engine is hot...I have to wait for about 15 to 30 min to start it. Its kind of a war.
Harley, for the most part, is about fancy paint color names. Other bike companies, like car companies, yearly horsepower increase, more electronics, and paint with basically same MSRP. Harley’s MSRP increase just with paint colors. Harley, look at your competition. GM and later Ford required bailouts in 2008 trying to catch up to global competition. Too many parties with dancing girls, they lost their way.
I hate active cruise control and am glad BMW did not put it on the K1600. We have it on one of our (luxury) cars and the stupid thing is either constantly either jamming on the brakes to keep the speed at the cruise setting (even going down a hill where gravity is helping the car accelerate so you can get some extra speed - and reduced gas consumption for free) or in traffic where it can't make up its mind whether to slow down or speed up because it can only detect the vehicle immediately in front and cannot "see" past it to anticipate what that vehicle will do 2 seconds from now. I'd rather have "dumb" cruise control and manually override as needed. My opinion on rider aids - pay attention to what you are doing which is riding the motorcycle and if your brain cells can't actually manage that then please jump off a high building flapping your arms - some people are stupid to the point that they should not be let near a vehicle of any type. BMW R18 - its a heavy pig . . .as you say good in a straight line and that sums it up . . .and I live in North America.
The NT1100 is interesting but I really do not need a 32 inch seat height bike. The R18B and Transcontinental are a joke, their weight is inexcusable. For a BMW to not having an electronically adjustable screen and true ESA is shame. The B model is almost as heavy as a full dress Indian or Harley... fifty pounds more than the Street Glide.
for me the Tiger sport 660 defines the true meaning of sports touring. It is agile and quick yet it has enough comfort for longer rides. Unlike the other heavy bikes on the list
No cruise control is the BIG red flag
Great list and great vid but I think you should have at least mentioned the BMW R1250RS , it is a bike I believe is being overlooked and is underrated but in fact it is a wonderful sport Turing machine, lighter than the RT and K1600 but still very comfortable, it is very nimble and agile while using the famous R motor with enough HP and lots of torque.
I agree but I ended up buying the 2020 RT instead, I have issues with TFT screens.
no excuse. there is none. disgraceful.
Sport touring segment is back. Kawasaki held the line.
H2SX!! 😎 tuned to 240hp wow. Imagine passing a sportbike while sitting up! Lol.
I prefer smaller bikes. RS660, Tracer 7 and 9. Seems to have everything for the road.
That NT1100 does look pretty good though. Nice understressed engine. And going to be super reliable.
same, Im on versys 650 and for normal roads/daily use I dont need more
Not sure why he forgot the Goat of the 650 sport touring class... the SV650...
I've had my 2002 for 4 years and have 40,000 kms now.... and for biking in Canada where you can't for 4 months of the year, thats pretty damn good...
Suzuki for the win... forget the other garbage
Wish they brought tracer 700 to USA and made a tracer 1000 fz10
Really excited about that Moto Guzzi! At my age, nearing 50, looking for something that’s an all arounder, and this looks promising.
I would personally go for the H2 SX se. In fact, I'll probably pick one up sometime within the next 12 months.
To me the choice is divided between the GSX S1000 GT and the Honda NT1100. I just can't get past how ugly I think the Tracer 9 GT looks, with that scooba diver dash, duckface front and so many people complaining about how bad the windscreen is.
Man, that Honda NT 1100 is definitely worth the money.
A constantly overlooked bike in this category which is superior to the Ninja or the suzuki is the Versys 1000. Much more comfortable for 2 up touring and quite a capable bike in it's own right, definitely more bike than the Tracer, I've ridden both and would take the Versys every time.
I’ve ridden everything for 58 years. The touring motorcycle is half of what you get on a gsa. You get everything a touring bike offers on a gsa plus the ability to go off-road if you want to or have to. You can make the gsa lower and cushier by choosing a soft and low stance on the ESA. I have a 30” inseam. I easily flatfoot the std gsa with the seat and settings on soft and low. When I get on an interstate I set the height to automatic because I enjoy being higher on interstates with no stoplights etc. In Europe I have a Yamaha T700. The best bike for Europe.
I'll take the Tiger Sport 660 please. Perfect size, good looks, plus that smooth triple.
I’ve got adaptive cruise control on my car and it occasionally brakes for cars taking an exit. It also awkwardly holds the speed of the vehicle in front of you until you are fully in the passing lane which I always have to override with my foot to keep from being a roadblock. Finally, once in a blue moon, it brakes for a phantom it sees. If motorcycle adaptive cruise controls suffer from these ills, I’m not interested. I do love the “blind” cruise control on my bike, though, and use it constantly.
Really needed this video!
Bikes should be cheap and manoeuvrable so I’d go triumph 660 too although I love the gsxs 1000 GT too.
Good Stuff. Tracer 9GT and GSX-S1000-GT really appeal to me. Although all the reviews I've seen on the Tracer 9GT say the noise of the tall screen is terrible, and I wasn't able to get a test ride on a Tracer 9 GT last year . Finding rocking horse "jobbies" would have been easier !
Triumph really need to replace the Sprint that they dropped a few years back. There's a sports tourer sized hole in Triumph's model line up.
I'm glad that the obsession with adventure bikes seems to be on the wane. When I've ridden 18 , 19 inch wheel high up adventure bikes, the handling seemed vague, and they all look ugly to me !
I am happy to follow your chanel. I'm surprised that no video mentions the BMW R1250RS
Yamaha FJR1300 ??
Thanks. The triumph is the one, lighter? Faster on the twistys.
You are my new motorcycle reviewer. Keep it up mate.
re: Guzzi V100, acquired taste comments. I'm qualified to say the following as I write comments on occasion. The Guzzi looks fantastic and comment sections are daft 🤘
My favourite is the triumph tiger 660, Yamaha tracer 900, Suzuki gsxs 1000 gt, and KTM Super Duke GT.
What about the BMW R1250 RS. is that a great sports touring bike?
Have you done a video on yezdi motorcycles?
Awesome bike. Pick mine up Friday. Smoothest bike I have ever ridden in my 20 years riding. More torque than a Kawasaki H2.
Terrific to see interesting additions and growth in this category, especially at the more affordable end with the Tiger and GSX. I’m intrigued by the promise of the V100, but can they offer it at a competitive price and with all the touring add ons?
Really looking forward to the new Guzzi and your review. Also the new Harley looks to be a real step towards a new design, or at least a real step for Harley, which is like a baby step for any other company! Great work as always Bob.
tiger Sport 1200 please. Like the old FZS1000/FZ1 but better :)
Great review, I'm looking forward to seeing both the Suzuki S1000GT and Guzzi V100, would be interested to know if the Guzzi are going to offer a hard pannier option on the V100. Interesting comment about the BMW R18 and it undercutting the price of the equivalent Harley, as both a BMW and Harley owner I can tell you for sure that if you spec the BMW up with all the bells and whistles the price will surpass that of the equivalent Harley.
Honda Goldwing still wins the luxury touring category hands down... as always did! Nothing even comes close! My obvious choice!
Well...
$30k is the only "problem" with it.
That's a versys 650 + a s1000RR
Or 3 medium bikes
Or a gs1250 and a used naked or 600
FJR1300ES. Does everything great. 200 lb lighter and 6.6 gallon fuel tank for a better range than the Gold Wing.
have been waiting for the Tracer 9 GT here in Malaysia for so long. But alas it came into Malaysia with a rm70K (without insurance, road tax) price tag and it comes without panniers and the side cases. It is such a rip off!!!
Great roundup video. Looking forward to seeing more Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on bikes. It’s fair to say that bike manufacturers generally don’t do good interfaces.
A very extensive coverage of almost all brands.... Fantastic bro...
Great review of incredible bikes. 🔥
Thank God I will buy one of each of them
I wonder if the further faster is referring to an updated live wire
I was looking at the tracer GT 9, but definitely going to check out the triumph now. Thx
Missing the R1250RS, and maybe the Tuono. Don't know what the R18 is doing here though.
lol
No Yamaha FJR 1300 mention??
A lot of interesting bikes, but I think that you can't never go wrong, with the Honda Goldwind...
Tiger 660 and the NT 1100 😃👌
wot about the Yamaha fjr1300, best selling sports tourer out there
Still no word if the NT1100 is coming to Canada. I think it’s a smart looking bike and for what you’re getting for the price, it’s a good deal. I don’t mind the looks either. There’s nothing ‘weird’ about it that sticks out as ‘ugly’ . Great vid as usual!
We need it in canada man!
Interesting vid, Bob. Ride safe, god bless u.
This is horses for courses thing.. adv bikes are for me ....but love the choice we are now getting for a lower.. lighter.. affordable...comfy riding postition ..slightly simpler bike....👍👍👍
Great update, thank you.
GSXS1000 GT & MotoGuzzi
Tiger is missing a cruise control, big mistake from Triumph no? :|
thanks for the great update from South Africa 🇿🇦.
I was looking forward to the ACC on the K, but was very disappointed that they not fitted on the 22 models.
Ended up picking up the last k16GT a few weeks ago.
I am not a fan of LED screens, and was not worth the new price tag.
I love the new H2 SX SE, but here in SA, it cost over 30k pounds.....crazy dough.
safe riding
Moto Corsa (dealership) says the V100 from Moto Guzzi won’t be in the UK until late 2022 or early 2023. That’s well over a year since their publicity launch at Eicma motorcycle show. WHY ?
Not a single mention of the Ducati Supersport 950 and its touring package. Still a sporty bike when not touring.
6:57 - "Plenty of wind protection"??? Yeah, if you're a squirrel. Hahahahaha!!!
Yamaha FJR1300. 200 lb lighter than a Goldwing 6.6 gallon fuel tank (vs 5.6) for better range. Comfortable with all of the technology you would want or need and will carve up corners like no Goldwing can even think about.
I chose the R1250RT (2020) because it did everything, not fantastically, but really well. I live in Cape Town RSA and am blessed by some of the best motorcycling roads around. The RT is, IMO, a GS in pure road trim. Strip off the panniers and top box and she'll hang with da crotch rockets in the mountains all day, you wanna see their faces coming out of tight hairpins and the RT's grunt just kills them. I've toured over 28000km since delivery in June 2020 and i would recommend the RT purely for it's neat but ugly, all BMW's are fugly, looks and that engine!!!!
Versys 1000 SE for the win 😁
Why no HP number for the moto guzzi and others? Otherwise, nice video.
To be honest the Kawasaki deem to offer a lot. As a medium, lighter cruiser. Or sports cruiser. If I want to go all out the Goldwing is my personal preference. But for for now, I just drive my old CB600F and RX650R's 😁👍
What’s the advantage of dedicated touring bike v’s an adventure … mainly price?
BMW R 1200 RT leaves them all standing 😀
Kawasaki Versys 1000 se lt I think is the most underrated tourer made.
That first triumph looks like my 2012 multistrada
Suzuki look so stunning 🔥
AWESOME video amazing bikes i enjoyed it magical superb ! ! ! ! !
🙏🤙
I absolutely love my 2012 BMW K1600 gt
Good review. Looked at the NT1100 at the MCN show but didn’t even bother climbing on, it just looks so “meh” . Suzuki and Kawasaki’s looked great, ghat H2 SX SE is just amazing, but mental.
For pure touring i like bare bones no fiddly electronic crap that fails on the most remote roads so my good old Road King wont be replaced anytime soon.
Nice one Bob !
"... Peak Tork !' Love it 😅
Stop the tech - I'll take the Tiger Sport 660 🙏
Failing starter motor....peak tork! :D
The NT is beginning to look more attractive to me. From certain angles. Too heavy, though.
I’d appreciate a video about bikes that are actually available. I’ve tried to buy two of these MSRP, is fine (NT1100 + Suzuki GT) and nope - no go. And, isn’t the Guzzi V100 just a figment of the Internet’s imagination?
I loved seeing all these bikes in a nice, succinct video! This is extremely informative. Regarding active cruise control on BMWs, I don't think it is currently available on the R 1250 RT bikes, at least not in the USA. It's not even listed as an option on their website here in the states. I imagine it is because of chip shortage and supply chain issues.
God damm that guzzi is so sexy ! Where are the news about that bike?? The silence is killing me… Where are the side cases ? Launch date ?
The Guzzi will spend one month in the shoppe (if one exists in your area) for every 6 hours on the road. Were that not true, I would be the proud owner of the V85TT.
We’ll see.
The K1600GTL is awesome. Active Cruise Control is annoying.
Ducati Pikes Peak V4 might be the best fast sport bike
Superduke GT for the win :D it is f*ing awesome to ride :D
My pick is not mentioned here, it's the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT with 8 gallon tank. Room to stretch your legs, good wind protection and some versatility as an excellent tourer with some performance, a 600 just isn't going to cut it.
Will that Goose actually come out and will it be in the USA?
That Kawi is $27.5 USD!
Moto Guzzi V100 😍
I am waiting for a call from Fowlers to tell me the Tiger Sport 660 demo bike is ready to ride.... I bet you get it first.
Thanks
I chose the Grand America
Tiger Sport has no cruise, not even an option and the GSXS1000GT isn't in dealers until July (which is what a big dealer near me has said)
Both are therefore a (big) miss for me
Hummm...my 2022 BMW 1250 R/T didn't make the list?
Tiger 660 looks pretty nice, but it will be a long while before anyone has a better package than Yamaha with the Tracer 9GT. One still has to concider the reputation for reliability that the Japanese have deservedly built for half a century.
Tiger 660 is under 10kusd and tracer9 is over 15kUsd, they aren't comparable or in same category respectively.
Call me old school or an old man yelling at a cloud, but that H2 seems like it has "too much technology"
I'm sure it's a great bike, but all that tech makes me feel like it would be distracting from the riding experience.
My favorite touring bike is my Honda varadero XL 125/180 but unfortunately they don't make that bike no more
England only?
Moto guzzi is 👌🏿👌🏿
You missed the MV AGUSTA TURISMO 800 LUSSO SCS.
Why not consider BMW’s best real world road bike that always gets skipped…the R1250RS? One of the best sports tourers on the market that does it all?
Wish Honda NT1100 was 4 cylinders!!
Most bike in this list will make me smile each time I sees them except for that Super Duke... simply does the opposite 😓
Well, you certainly have shown a lot of choices. I disagree with the description of many of these bikes as Touring Bikes. I would be hard pressed to ride all day on most of them. That doesn't mean that they are not nice bikes, but I think they would be more aptly called Day Touring bikes. Most of the luggage bags that the smaller bikes have are insufficient to do any decent tour. And you also have other issues. A small windscreen does not offer any real protection. Riders have to make decisions about what they want or need in a bike to do the job they want. Decreased weight, less comfort for touring. Increased weight usually means a bigger fairing, bags and maybe even shaft drive and water cooling. I still think that we can agree that manufacturers should still work at making a better bike. My wife used to have a Honda GL650 Silver Wing, and it seemed to have all of the features that most long distance touring riders would like. A regular Honda fairing that was on the Gold Wing, Shaft Drive, Water Cooled, factory bags and a rear seat the was removable and the trunk was made to fasten in its place which centered the weight better, and gave the rider a back rest. Now because it was an 83 product, and it's been well over 30 years of engine development I think that this would result in a bike that had great ground clearance, and enough storage for going cross the continent, as she did on the 650.
Starter motor is failing in all Street Triple S 660 or the Triden 660..or every 660......nice done Triumph!
Really ? Where does this information come from ?
@@user-rf9me7xm1w I own one! It is a 2020 S model.
Adding, my friend has the exact same model and does the same..1 yeah old bike, 16 k on the clock.
Still in warranty but it's bothering me.
@@Comycboy06 Thanks, perhaps I’ll look elsewhere. I hope Triumph sort it out permanently for you.
@@user-rf9me7xm1w Well, so far they didn't, they think is normal for a bike not to start when the engine is hot...I have to wait for about 15 to 30 min to start it.
Its kind of a war.
Harley, for the most part, is about fancy paint color names. Other bike companies, like car companies, yearly horsepower increase, more electronics, and paint with basically same MSRP. Harley’s MSRP increase just with paint colors. Harley, look at your competition. GM and later Ford required bailouts in 2008 trying to catch up to global competition. Too many parties with dancing girls, they lost their way.
Ugh, I want the SX SE...
I hate active cruise control and am glad BMW did not put it on the K1600. We have it on one of our (luxury) cars and the stupid thing is either constantly either jamming on the brakes to keep the speed at the cruise setting (even going down a hill where gravity is helping the car accelerate so you can get some extra speed - and reduced gas consumption for free) or in traffic where it can't make up its mind whether to slow down or speed up because it can only detect the vehicle immediately in front and cannot "see" past it to anticipate what that vehicle will do 2 seconds from now. I'd rather have "dumb" cruise control and manually override as needed. My opinion on rider aids - pay attention to what you are doing which is riding the motorcycle and if your brain cells can't actually manage that then please jump off a high building flapping your arms - some people are stupid to the point that they should not be let near a vehicle of any type. BMW R18 - its a heavy pig . . .as you say good in a straight line and that sums it up . . .and I live in North America.
A Honda is a Honda is a Honda is a Honda...
A Gold Wing is a Gold Wing is a Gold Wing is a Gold Wing...
The 660 has good HP 80, 32.9" SEAT height is to high for me.
The NT1100 is interesting but I really do not need a 32 inch seat height bike. The R18B and Transcontinental are a joke, their weight is inexcusable. For a BMW to not having an electronically adjustable screen and true ESA is shame. The B model is almost as heavy as a full dress Indian or Harley... fifty pounds more than the Street Glide.
hmm tricky. Like the GSX-S1000-GT (it needs a shaft drive), and I think I like the V100 but without the nerdy toys.. ABS-yes, the rest biff it.
Rocket 3?
Harley's 'further, faster' to me indicate eBike updates. The Goldwing would be a dream to have.
Further, Faster also sounds like a performance bagger?
I pay extra to not see advertisements