Kripp Interviews Jonathan Rogers on PoE2 - Path of Exile 2 (again!)
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- Path of Exile 2 - A lengthy interview with game director of Path of Exile 2 - Jonathan Rogers!
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PoE 2 looks fun because it's a game that Jonathan and Mark are making for Jonathan and Mark. Their excitement for the game is infectious.
and their technical knowledge is insane
jonathan doesnt even play the game, typical egoist dambfakker dev
started PoE a few months ago and got a strong feeling that it was a "gamer's game". i get that feeling when listening to these interviews as well, especially in the middle during that whole discussion of how much more power and loot acquisition should a top 1%'er have over an average player.
When I read comments like this I always hope it's a joke, but apparently is full of people that don't know PoE or just started playing it that prise PoE2, which is the opposite of what everyone in the community wants basically. The designers and directors seems to be dumb or just got too much money from tencent, or maybe both.
I love the openness in Jonathan's responses. He's not using corp speak or obfuscating the answers at all.
This is the first time I feel the same about him, maybe because he is by himself, when he is with the others I feel the complete opposite from him.
@@11ELFs Chris with his charisma, charm, but Rogers and Mark are very open. Rogers swear ( shit and fuck when the character met his demise ) several times during his keynote speech, which is the part I find him a very genuine guy.
Listening to Jonathan talk about item and currency acquisition with such depth, and clearly so so much thought put into it reminds me why I love the GGG team. They think so deeply about the game
they are degenerate gamers lol, thats why the game is so good and GGG is so loved by us, they just know what we want because they want the same thing.
I am honestly so thankful we have someone like Jonathan Rogers working on PoE and PoE2. You can tell in every interview he does just how passionate he is about this game.
I'm not a D4 hater nor a POE fan, but it just insane how you can tell from the very first minutes of the interview from both teams' lead designers which one is driven by passion and which one just happened to be there.
the lead devs of poe are co-owners of ggg, blizzard just has employees
Jonathon is also one of the three guys that started POE in a garage.
Dudes with MBA’s who have no passion for games ruin any possibility for Devs to realize good games.
Because GGG is still being run by the people who started it, with a passion for making ARPGs
Blizzard is just a soulless husk at this point
Once POE 2 releases and the devs start getting blasted for things players don't like will be the real test.
D4 is like going to mcdonalds. Poe is like grilling your own burger out back and making it the way you want it.
Perfect comparison.
D4 is like going to mcdonalds and getting a cold burger and unmelted cheese.
with condiments available for an additional fee, naturally
Not really, im never disapointed going to Mcdonalds, they are consistent.
Both make you fat and lazy without breaks
Love when Krip interviews people. Always asks the questions that are on my mind.
I only watch blood interviews
He's a great voice for the community of POE junkies
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I believe he is actually a really smart person, good choice for interviewing people and asking the right questions when it comes to ARPGs and MMOs.
18:30 in he actually said “great!” In response to an answer. Usually he doesn’t even reply and just moves on like he didn’t hear the answer.
So Kripp is a god tier interviewer, as well. 😂
Always has been
I spoke with Jonathan and Chris for 5ish minutes at PAX west this year, they're both still very passionate about PoE, and they were front and center in the PoE booth answering questions and speaking with everyone. I'll always support them and their projects.
I swear every time there's an announcement or interview about PoE2 my hype sky rockets! I don't think there's ever been a game that I've been this excited to see more of. I know there's a ton of skepticism in the community, but for me everything I've seen/ heard so far seems like an upgrade! Thanks Kripp for doing this interview and asking some phenomenal questions 🤗
D4 was the best poe ad
diablo 3 even more
too bad it wont have even 10% of the playerbase of d4
@@savuflorin6242 not a competition I'm just glad poe is getting attention
For those who weren't there, this is how PoE started out as well. Chris talking to Kripp 8-10 years ago.
WASD works so well in V Rising; I bet it'll be amazing here as well!!
Great interview as expected. Jonathon is always great with interviews because he comes across as one of us and not a corporate stiff.
Thanks for the Steam wishlist reminder, nice plug.
Jonathan's passion when talking about PoE2 is so amazing. Really good and interesting interview
I can listen to Jonathan talk for days, its so rare for a game dev to be this passionate about their game.
Love or hate it, but D4's struggles has awakened the community's awareness of other games like POE. Feel like it'll be a great timing for POE2, and hopefully it pushes the other game makers to rise to the occasion as well!
doesn't matter untill we can get mobile "gamers" to stop spending money nothing will ever change
Not something for Diablo to be proud of, but yea it’s a dub for other arpgs
Diablo and PoE are two different games and while Diablo people might try out PoE I doubt it will steal Diablo player base in any significant number.
PoE is much larger time investment than Diablo and that for many people including myself is turn off.
Also Diablo is not that bad, it has a long way to go, itemization needs to get reworked asap, but its still fun for week or two.
@@kellifu112 Diablo 1,2,3 arnt bad but if you include d4 in that list you should be banned
@@kellifu112 PoE will steal the Diablo fans slowly but surely. With PoE2 trying to cater to a more general playerbase, I can see it. What D4 is doing well is reaching new players til they are boiled enough with their expensive marketing.
I played D3 since the beginning and stick around till last season. D4 blunders just was the last for me for this franchise. They will not move on from mistakes from D3 and will create new ones in D4. Because of that I finally tried PoE and loving it. I felt like why I didn't abandon this ship earlier.
And judging from the last league in PoE, lot of Diablo's refugees moved there as well. A noticeable jump of content has risen.
PoE is indeed intimidating at its surface, but once you finally take the plunge, it's not that hard. It's like Souls games in a way. It looks intimidating, but once you try, it's not that. It just requires some old school forgotten skills. Time investment is the same. However, instead of playing boring game loops in D3/4, you spend time exploring and that's fun by itself.
Diablo isn't bad, but it is shallow as fuck. D4's shallowness is insulting after many years of D3. They learnt nothing in the end and never will. D4 will be D3 at best. MS will not save it (as it didn't save Halo or AoE4, Halo is finally getting somewhere, but it took it sweet time, but that somewhere isn't exactly great, just better than they had).
This guy is so passionate and it's so refreshing in a world where greed has taken over everything
big thanks to kripp for introducing me/us to poe. it's seriously the best game I've played in my life hands down. spent alot alot of money on it over the years and I don't regret any of it. the dollar to hours of fun ratio is still under a penny a hour. can't wait for poe2. also glad GGG cares about people who spent money to keep the mtx and pass it along to the next iteration. 👍🏻 10/10
Same for me. Never so happy to spend money as when I’m giving to GGG
Gosh. As a former D4 fanboy (the game is just so... empty and has so many problems) I was always pretty much of the opinion, "PoE is too complex... and over-hyped... it isn't better than Diablo and I'm not missing much of anything."
How wrong I was!! Jonathan is incredible to listen to. This man LOVES his game. I want to play his game because he is so passionate about it. His passion tells me the game is well cared for. That's a game that I wanna play. His energy and excitement when talking about PoE2 just makes me want to root for the game to succeed beyond all expectations.
Installing PoE now. For real. It's time to get over myself and my dumb biases against PoE and just give it a damn try. I think I'm gonna have a blast.
Good interview. Thank you, both.
Jonathan looks like he's 5 and 50 years old at the same time.
Holy duck I can't wait this game to come out.
Excellent interview. Thank you.
Really like that Jonathan asked kripp’s impression of item scarcity. He respects kripps opinion. I think most players have preferences that would ruin the game. Ggg is always fighting against the average players who expect to have drops and power equivalent to good players.
What a great interview. Good questions and answers. Very nice insight on both sides. Effin amazing. Love it.
Best interview ever.
At 1:13:27 - kripp talks about how punishing is group play. Its true, map host gets more loot, e.g: more maps and other types of currency
Ngl from the thumbnail I assumed this was just a rip from the vod of exilecon, didn't realise this was a new interview
Thanks for sharing, guys. Very excited for PoE 2, and the inevitable success for devs and content creators.
Cheers Kripparrian! Also thanks to Jonathan and all the GGG workers being so open about their game. Ending screen ;) here around 11.24+(milliseconds).
I think the limiting thing for party play used to be stuff like "i play with elemental equilibrium" and the party members have the same damage type.
Or someone plays a build that needed corpses and the other build destroyed them with shatter.
But thats just a guess. Without a specific timeframe and more context it's hard to tell.
Cant overstate how excited i am for POE 2, WASD itself is going to be absolutely amazing
not sure about it ...wasd is a gamble... catering more to consoles... still really excited for the game.
why? another 4 keys to press on top of everything else?
Because it allows for movement otherwise impossible like walking backwards and firing forwards, 4 keys are nothing compared to the amount of work thats needed to constantly click to move. Ive played with both layouts extensively and WASD is far more efficient especially if you have an MMO mouse with at least 9 side buttons. @@swervbe
@@zak2005 Not to mention severely reducing wrist pain issues so common with poe players. Honestly, WASD as an option is something I'd like to see implemented into PoE 1 as well, as soon as possible imo. I'm saying this as someone who got into PoE before act 4 was a thing btw, so I'm very used to click to move...
Yeah id love to see it in PoE 1 as well but it looks like we will have to wait @@fkaliases
The real question is how fishing will be implemented, as the current meta [redacted].
I used to play with one of my friends but stopped over a year ago. My experience on "how is it punishing to play with other people?" as a casual player that only plays with one other person is that a lot of times your build has on kill/on hit effects that can be really essential to your build (i.e. Trickster's Polymath recovery) and having a second person gives you less opportunity to proc effects like that. I've also felt like both of us are able to instantly clear screens still so whoever gets ahead of the other person just kills everything. Characters get so powerful and zoomy that is just feels like the two of us playing together is actually a detriment to our builds.
It's so clear that Jonathan is enjoying the heck out of the game, both from a work perspective but also playing it. This bodes really well. ^^
GJ, thank you for the interview to both. I am interested if PoE2 will surpass PoE as the best aRPG.
Thanks for the great interview
Great interview, really amazing insight into how the game is developing and awesome answers from Jonathan !! GGG you rock :)
Well done Kripp and thank you Jonathan for taking the time. GGG does not disappoint. We are blessed to have a passionate team still working on POE a decade later. POE2 is going to be fantastic
man, I cannot wait
great interview
The dialogue around rarity makes me in love with Jonathan. Imagine D4 got that.
Great interview Kripp! If you want an idea of WASD movement in an ARPG I would say V Rising is the closest game I can think of. It took some getting use to at first but after a bit I thought it was a lot better.
Maybe add an option to turn down minion or minion skill transparency. Using perfect forest tiger with 20+ minions makes ubers a lot harder just cause you cant see much half the time. For example, i would like my summon raging spirits to be at 75% ( a little bit see through) and spectres/ag etc 25%
As for the drops and quantity of them - what makes you more excited?
A hinekora's lock or a massive explosion of winged scarabs?
For me it's the latter. I see a fucking Sun on my screen because there's like 60 of them stacked in one place and they all emit a glowing light stick upwards.
And the loot text is covering the whole screen top to bottom.
Even though by pure monetary value, a single Hinekora is way more valuable than even 60 winged scarabs.
What a great interview
I think it would work out for a ranger for sure. Because my issue now in PoE is running into clicking stuff so the character stops moving because I am all over the place.
I assume you've put 'move' on left-click rather than the default attack, right?
I am happy they will keep a team developing poe1 alongside. PoE2 sounds fun enough as a playthrough but it def will need time to cook before getting close to as fun experience that poe1 gives me. I am a bit skeptical towards the new gem system and the wasd movement option where some builds might feel better with it than without and you need to constantly swap back and forth checking if the current build feels better with the other option.
YES, we have a pause! Idc about hardcore abuse a pause was so handy in D3 and I really miss it in D4.
They don't need to dumb the game down, what they need to do is include every tool the player needs to play efficiently and informed. So, they need much better character stats screens. Something more like Grim Dawn has, for example. They need to make it clear (if it will still be in the game) the difference between additive and multiplicative scalars, stuff like that. Make it clear what interacts with what, etc.
Totally agree, and it's good for them as a company too I believe. They should make the game more informative, but just enough so you know the basics in which what works or not.
@@ThePsyMindedI think it's very important that they don't explain too much as well. That sense of mystery and discovery is a huge part of what makes poe cool and interesting
Interesting thought on item drops and economy
PoE 2 should have "casting while moving" support gem.
Wait did they change the approach to alt f4? Before they said if you DC you go right back to where you were in the fight??
Anyone have a list of talk points? Kind of hard to try to tell friends about everything said here.
He's so good at interviewing!
Here before the bald man drags this out into a 4 hour react
11:24 has your end-card for one frame lol.
Funny enough, I've seen a number of good twin-stick-esque dungeon hackers in the past. Even as early as early 2000s consoles. A little series called Hunter: The Reckoning. Introduced me to the concept of both melee and ranged combat of that sort. I guess that's probably why I'm not even a bit skeptical it could work well. We've come a long way since then.
1:17:29 what does he say about the beta key? I keep listening in replay but i can't understand what he actually say. All i heard is that he is referencing the beta invitation system to another "game" or something else which i can't clearly hear the name of it to reference tho. 🤔
Only game im looking forward to
i hope they keep ravens and skellies and also those templar holy spirit ones
Just wait till the game comes out and play it. It will be amazing if you dont know what to expect.
I think an interesting way they can make the gap between someone being an average player vs the 50th percentile would be to lower the value of quantity and rarity bonuses, but add in another stat for "item luck" so to speak. Items that drop from a "lucky" invested player will spawn with an additional weight bonus to higher tier modifiers and such. This way, you don't feel like you're littering the maps with a bunch of white blue and yellow items, and instead having more impactful blue and yellow items appearing. Since the system only adds a single "weight advantage" modifier to the items, it shouldn't create as much lag because you still have to ID the items yourself to see those modifiers. This also means someone could farm a bunch of unidentified rares that have a high "weight advantage" roll to sell to another player, or use for themselves.
TLDR: Reduce the impact of item quantity/rarity modifier stacking, add "lucky mod weighting" modifier stacking to be able to drop items that have more use/value from the moment they are identified.
God i love the answer at like around 1:00:25 that's the reason why i play this game because it feels like you can break the game. You can tank Uber Maven Memory game, u can take shaper slams and beams, if you want you can make a build that can collect every single ball in Searing Exarch fight on the other end, you can one phase bosses even with the 90% damage reduction on spawn.
Also best idea was to split 1 and 2, for the reasons they mentioned they wanted to slow down Poe 2 which is 100% understandable or make it simpler to get into. And since i love blasting with dumb builds i was very afraid for the state of the game for players like me.
The man mentioned it being "magic the gathering" esc, and once he said that I was sold!
11:24 when you get the frame just right.
Still not sure what he meant about how to join the beta. Can anyone explain? Thanks!
what is that flash at 11:23?
happy to hear that Jonathan also enjoys Delve and Incursion so much! I'm excited to see how they're implemented in POE2, and relieved that the rewards (like double corruption) will continue to be a big part of the unique identity of the league mechanics
Great question. One of my favorite things about poe is any class can use any skill or do any build. Glad they are keeping that
@therotten6152yup I agree. It used to be way more open before ascendancies.
@therotten6152 Yeah the extremes aren't going to work great but it is possible. You just waste a lot of passive points. More so talking about the skills themselves. Like Bow builds using summons this league as a utility option for example
Kripparian ask him if there any plans to add more classes for future expansions.
Just a take off the top of my head as I listen. What if they got rid of wisdom scrolls as a concept and made rarity instead apply to how well-rolled items are. This way you could move some of the value from highest tier uniques and raw currency towards trade value. This would work for both trade and ssf league.
Actually a cool idea
Kinda runs into the problem of both GGG and your item filter telling you what a good item is. I don’t think this change would ruin the game or anything but I prefer that I can determine for myself ,or at least feel curious, about how valuable an item is and go find out.
Also I do like the 2 stage identification process, where you first drop a base type that piques your interest, then you get the excitement of identifying. Watchers eye drops are a good example of this, but it happens all the time while leveling and less so later as the base type requirements get higher.
To fix the ID tedium and market value of rare drops, Instead I would just make rare drops compete somehow with crafted items in terms of realistic power and have about 100x fewer items dropping in the end game so there’s simply less to ID.
Thanks Kripp!
Will poe2 have controller / mouse hybrid setup? Running and playing on controller but stash managment etc on mouse and keyboard ?
Honestly i got older and all that clicking got to my wrist 😢
You can use DS4Windows for that on any game, I used a controller when I played WOW lol
Regarding minions at 44:50, I really hope they just have options to have fewer but more powerful minions, rather than just more more more more.
Legion was 2019, breach was 2017
LETS GOOOOOOOOO
so i guess i watch this and then again asmons whole reaction to it lmao
5 hour video incoming
Grade A interview!
Pls never take the "dumbing the game down" route for wider audience. I am a noob at the game and knowing like 50% of it (or even less) but this is why I never get bored. I need the constant feeling that I have much to learn from league to league. I love thinking about my builds, improving stuff I do. D4 is the opposite, I quickly get the unrewarding, boring chore vibe.
So gun witch build works? I'm in.
Legion was not before breach. Kripp LOL
I loved this podcast bc jonathan seemingly has the same obsession about the systems the same way i have an autistic obsession with poe and its systems.
Blizzard should pay attention to 17:34 and onward. They made a massive mistake in D4, as they did with D3 when it came to open beta, and not testing enough before release. But at this point, I don't really care what Blizzard does anymore. Hopefully they get better, one day.
could they make it so that there is more chance to receive a superior item, not just a increase in item rarity
Jonathan : Progression blocking bosses will be actually progression blocking.
Boss carries : Hello!
What happend to Zana?
thx🎉🎉❤
Biiiiig Papa Kripp
11:24 outro screen x)
no atlas in poe 2... the one system that revolutionized poe 1 in the most positive direction and most praized system it has...
50 hours to get through the campaign on average per character is one of the most mind boggling decisions ive ever seen this company make.
44:48 - "Visual clarity is important to us when it comes to minions" in the same league where they made some of the most annoying, screen-wide, visual polluting spectres. I run Naval Officer and Forest Tiger because the provide phenomenal buffs, but I can't see the ground half of the time because one casts a literal tidal wave, and the other does the red beast stampede attack. Make it make sense Jon >_>
This is exactly why GGG is at the top of the gaming empire currently. They are still devs who care about the playerbase and their game.
52:35 You underestimate our will to nolife PoE 1 / 2
11:25 the intro screen pops up for a ms. Do i win something for noticing?:D
Thank god they seem to be putting more work into the console experience. Navigating menus in poe on console is quite a poor experience and combat is a bit clunky feeling too. I understand them not wanting to compromise the pc experience, but there's no reason why an arpg shouldn't feel good to play on gamepad. PC players use controllers sometimes anyways.
Kripp's face when this guy starts talking about what the disparity should be between regular players and excellent players 😂
What ggg sees as an average player stems from their data. What kripp thinks off as an average player stems from estimations what he knows and sees. Those are very different.