INSTANT BUY-OUT TRADING in PoE2 & Itemized Aisling and other services in PoE 1?!?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2024
- Zizaran is joined by Jonathan Rogers and Hrishi of GGG for a podcast talking about Path of Exile 2 as well as design approaches and philosophies of both PoE2 and PoE.
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And to you
as an average player, respecing is way too expensive as it is now. I dont play for hundreds of hours, so even small respecs like 15 points can be a real rough time.
Hope some one asks about Ward items at some point :X
if they are going to implement pausing, why can't they pause the game when you talk to an NPC??
Are they going to stagger the leagues so we can play both??
For those looking for the trade news: The discussion of trade begins at 1:48:26
thank you
Thank sou, man!
legend
Appreciate it tons
big thanks
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with them on certain topics, you gotta give it to GGG for doing these kinds of interviews. The back and forth communication between devs and players is much appreciated in the current gaming landscape.
night and day compared to diablo 4 campfire
As someone who only plays now and again, POE players are fucking spoiled rotten when it comes to the quality of their main games devs, like they seriously do not understand how fucking leagues and bounds ahead they are of nearly any other popular game right now and they should really be grateful.
This kinda stuff is what makes me respect POE and LE devs so much
I think regardless of whether you're on the same page as they are, you can't deny how much they care.
@@taylornox Are you talking about reddit 🐒?
I really like the way Jonathan talks about things. He's very intelligent, prepared and understands the impact of being direct.
I feel a bit sorry for the other guy, he couldn't finish a single sentence without Jonathan taking over :/
i can't imagine working with Jonathan@@Verulen22
@@Verulen22 That's definitely an issue with Jonathan; I also enjoy hearing him talk about development, but he absolutely does that
@@Verulen22I can't stand how he interrupts everyone who does an interview with him. He must be very annoying to work with in terms of communication.
@@seppespellmane While I don't necessarily disagree, I think part of it may also be to keep someone from potentially providing too much direct information that they aren't necessarily able to reveal yet. With the PoE2 devs all being so passionate about the game, it can be quite difficult to not spoil things that you aren't prepared to have in the public.
Late to the party but this is my favourite PoE2 interview so far.
Great prep and awesome back and forths!
Everytime GGG does an interview it's like a masterclass in game design. They're the only designers I see where I'm thinking "these guys know way better than me what to do with the game I love"
Unfortunately comparable speakers in the space say things like 'It just works' which is lacking that sort of deep understanding one would prefer.
@@thehob3836 tbf the people who say that are not real game devs. they are marketing people pretending to be developers.
@@hunzukunz Thats pretty much my point, up until the point where GGG decides to go down that path of marketing > community then they will get a level of leway from me that I wouldnt give to other studios.
To be honest, lately I compare it to Last Epoch and look like Neanderthal game philosophies to me
@@cortex3I can't tell which one you are saying is neanderthal design or why.
I could listen to Chris and Jonathan talk about their development philosophy for hours. Most dev interviews end up being a bunch of fan favor promises and fluff. With these guys it's always "This is why we do it and it this is the intended outcome, abrasion and all."
They just genuinely seem engaged with their work and excited to share. Those qualities are contagious. Add to that that I have yet to see them get defensive (note, I'm not talking about them explaining their rationale behind decisions the player base tends to disagree with, me included), and the general feel of each interview ends up being a genuinely sincere back and forth.
@@nextgen3ric I think a huge part of this is Jonathan's willingness to accept others, more specifically the players', opinions as valid and legitimate responses to what they do. He doesn't defend what he does, he articulates that he sees the reasoning behind what is said and will think on it then gives his reasoning on why it is the way it is currently/planned.
In short he doesn't let his ego get in the way of communication.
@@thehob3836 Calling chris out? lol
@@thehob3836 Except everything he says is meaningless until we get to play the game and see what his choices came about for poe2
@@ZealValdez Someone explaining their thought process is not meaningless.. Thats why you get partial credit for showing the correct work but the wrong conclusion.
The thought process and basis of why a system works the way it does is the most important part of said system, the individual numbers and circumstances can easily be tweaked, the entire system cannot.
Early Respec solution.
Have an NPC named Mizaran that travels with you to each act who offers empathy and cryptic advice. After you complete an act, you can take a repeatable quest at that Act hub to clear out a zone. Upon quest turn in, Mizaran unspecs your passive tree.
Towards the end of the campaign, the player's actions directly lead to Mizaran's death, removing him from all hubs. Requiring the player to rely on Orbs or Regret going forward.
or you know... just allow respeccing. the only reason it doesnt exist is because its a f2p game that wants to increase artificially the playtime
that's actually a really interesting idea - Jonathan talked about how respecing your character should feel like a "quest", why not make it a literal quest? lol
@@CyanPhoenix_ reuse synthesis for this. You first select the passives you want to forget and then the passives you want to replace them with. Then you play through a path of synthesis memory tilesets each representing one (or multiple) passives you forget. With the tileset vanishing you forget and lose that passive. Then you play another tile to regain the passive were the tileset appears instead of vanishing and the new passive is allocated. Have general themes for basic passives, like fire area for a fire resistance passive and unique tilesets for keystone passives. Starting one respec journey costs one orb of regret, regardless of how many points you want to reallocate.
Edit: with this you can even keep it for high level chars, they will stay substantially longer in those because they have more passives to respec.
@@gaymohammed3137it doesn’t exist because your character shouldn’t just be a piece of tofu that can be anything at all moments notice.
Decisions are only rewarding when there is the possibility of a significant mistake.
@@Stentron touch some grass mate it's a game, a bunch of 1s and 0s nothing more or less. your decisions only matter as much as your addicted mind tells you how much it matters lol
You can definitely tell that hrisihi came from a player background in how he talks about mechanics. I really think these two are a fantastic representation of the company to talk to the community and people really appreciate their attitudes and input.
I'm so glad we have Jonathan and the rest of the team, even if what they're doing here is directly advertising the game being so transparent with how they're planning for the game to function is sick
One of the best things about these os hearing Jonathan's thought process and reasoning for things as opposed to other companies where you get a canned corporate response.
Exactly this.
More people (and especially game devs) need to be as honest and genuently as Jonathan.
He can admit if he hasn't though about a question yet and still can reason to an answer that makes you understand that he thought about the concepts around the question and understands a lot of angles of the questions.
Every question is taken serious and if they lead to a good idea I absolutely believe them when they say that they will talk about it and might implement it (best example is how they reacted to pausing in the interview with ziggy. "Huh, wait a moment, why couldn't we have pausing? Let's talk about that and add it.")
because he actually takes his time to think out a problem and solution. Too many people blindly copy others, which is why they end up with a half-baked product or a mess.
You know you've been playing PoE for a long time when Jonathans hair used to be black and Ziz's blue. Time flies.
Ziz couldn't stop smiling when Jonathan started talking about instant buyouts. Nor couldn't I.
Nor could* I.
@@ash91_ Thank you, that was bugging me 😂
So i guess you didn't like it if you stopped smiling ?
@@DoctorStrange01 English is not my native language so I may be wrong, but the meaning of "I couldn't *stop* laughing" is implied, is it not?
My main question would be: How do you avoid somebody cornering the market of a certain item? Right now it's made complicated by effort and the fact that everybody can price every item during the time the buyer buys 'em all up.
I watched this live and I think closing chat and focusing on your own set of questions and follow ups was a great idea. This interview was well orgenized and cohesive and you even got some insane information out of them unintentionally. Thank you and I look forward to the next one.
Man I got to give it to you Zizaran. I love the way you choose to conduct yourself in this interview and ask the things you want to know, and be able to follow-up on things and get into more fundamentals of why/how things are or what they envision it to be.
this is the only interview so far that I been able to follow from beginning till end, and stay engaged/interested. So well done.
I'm SOOOO glad they're reworking trade. Trade and Performance are the two most important issues with PoE 1. I really hope they that they fix trade in PoE 1 as well. I understand beta-ing the changes in PoE 2 first, but it's super important.
Thanks Ziz, for a great interview. Thanks Jonathan and Hrishi for taking the time.
New player engagement.
1000% we need few seconds before mobs spawn from strongboxes or similar. Because now when 50+ new (without already cached shaders) mobs spawn it's unreal to handle by cpu/gpu
performance has improved a lot lol. Pretty sure they're just playing catchup with the new content. In PoE 2 when there isn't this mess of 1000x mechanics it should perform really good.
Idk I'm worried about bots/macros instabuying currency and hiking prices up artificially but that may not be a problem depends on how easy it is to get gold with 0 button builds.
@@scotttemplar8740 seems they will add a buyer tax
Bloody hell it's so satisfying listening to a dev talk that loves their game and understands game development to this depth. Can't wait to try PoE2
Huge thanks to Johnathan, Hrishi and Ziz for this awesome Interview! So hyped for PoE2.
The PoE2 trading changes sound insane. It's probably going to have a massive impact on how the endgame is going to feel compared to PoE1. Really interested to see how it plays out.
is it so insane? it sounds like wow auction house...?
@dangkolache Well you have to compare it to the system that is in place in PoE 1 now, not some other game. Does it sound a lot like the WoW auction house? Yes, but that is not why that is an amazing change. Right now you would have to find the item... somehow (for a long time that was the forum, then a third party site, now it's a service on GGG's website, still outside the game), then whisper that player, then wait for his invite to his party, then accept his trade request, then check if it really is the item he said he would sell.
The goal on GGG's side was to promote player interaction (among other things I'm sure) and it works... fine. But that's why an auction house-like system is such an exciting concept for PoE players :)
Insane?
In poe I don't want to trade, because I don't have too much time to play. So I don't want to spend most of that in hideout to trade, or every few minutes leave the map just to trade.
Instant buyout is what the game really need if you want everyone to trade, and not only people who spend all their time playing the game
@@dangkolache I also don't have as much time to play the game so this aspect of the game becomes very frustrating for me, especially late game.
@@dangkolache It is functionally an AH yes, but the main difference is the cost to interact with it. IF they do as they said and use gold as a non-tradable ressource you have to farm for in order to pay the gold fee that comes with buying an item (in addition to the item's non-gold cost), then the AH system becomes way more restricted and forces the player to play the game if he wants to trade.
It prevents excessive speculative behaviors and makes people prioritize buying things they need instead of buying things that will increase in value, because the gold they get is limited and they have to farm for it (in addition to the item's non-gold cost).
So yes and no: it is an AH yes, but the ways you interact with it are way diifferent than in WoW. In WoW, the tax is in gold which is the currency you also use to trade, unlike what the PoE devs were discussing.
EDIT: which is the approach last epoch is already doing for their trade game mode
Such a great interview! Ziz your style of engaging with questions and the way you elaborate on them is top notch. I've seen a few times elsewhere that John or someone else may misinterpret a question, but you do an excellent job being direct and your examples leave no room for error or misunderstanding. So glad we have such well spoken people in our community!
This was my favorite of the recent interviews, great job guys!
Thanks for doing this @Zizaran , Jonathan and Hrishi!
Last Epoch is shaking up the ARPG scene without even launching.
TFT is getting adressed by GGG.
2024 is a great year for ARPG fans (including D4 too).
Yup. They're essentially considering importing last epoch announced trading system into poe2. And it's interesting they're so frank about it. I mean that the environment had changed and people might not accept any less.
and d4 still bad
Great for D4 because there are better alternatives even including D3
Hey Ziz, thank you for all the work you do for the community. It is much appreciated. My excitement for POE 2 just doubled just watching this video.
Only 26 minutes in, but want to leave a comment before I forget. This interview is amazing so far. Really good questions and Jonathan and Hrishi come off great. tbh, whether it's Chris, Mark, Rory, Jonathan, Hrishi, or anyone else, I've never really seen GGG devs not come off well in their interviews. You can always see the passion and the genuine interest in their product. Thanks to everyone who made this happen!
The thoughts required to make games at this level is insane. Every decision can have such a huge impact on so many other situations/aspects of the game.
i think it would be good to have more respec points awarded for side missions during the campaign so newer players can unbrick their builds easier and experienced players can spec into speed to get through the campaign faster and then respec once its done
To be honest they should not lock them behind those side missions. They should just give you respect points either per level or with all skill books. Side missions should give either some basic currency or actually usable gear.
That'd be an improvement, but I think they could take advantage of the new gold coin drops and make it so you can respec paying a lil bit of that, like in last epoch and diablo. Most people agree that both those respec systems work very well
@@PhoenixXIII Mission completed: +Respect points
Some better way to respec needs to be atleast on release in PoE2 and maybe later in PoE1. IMO one if not the biggest reason why casual/new players are turned off.
I think they should just have a respec npc that ends it's service at the same time you receive your res penalty after you kill the final act boss
This was an amazing interview. Thanks for asking great questions and follow ups Ziz! GGG is doing a great job with engaging with the community and discussing the finer details openly.
"Cost too much? Yeah... but the feel you get!"
Jonathan is a great game dev
nice to hear about the trading changes here. Something that could be cool too is that higher tier maps reward more gold (same for harder bosses) so you dont feel your progress is being slowed down when you reach more end game and have more things to buy
Thank you for the fantastic interview, which was filled with information :). It was genuinely evident how passionate Jonathan was throughout these discussions. While likely unintended, I noticed multiple instances where Jonathan seemed to inadvertently interrupt Hrishi. Just something I observed!
He did try to make space for him to talk, but he was like a kid (in a good way) that is too excited and blurts everything out. Dude must really love his job at the moment.
If you can believe it, he's gotten better about interrupting and hogging the mic.
GGG is a shining example of communication with player base. Great interview/Q&A, respectful, insightful. And also great job Ziz for being able to respectfully present your perspective as a player, some cool ideas. Absolute pleasure to watch and gives me a lot of hope for POE2.
Excelent interview. Jonathan and Hrishi are a joy to listen to. Your work preparing the questions and follow up really shows as well. I think it was a great idea not reading chat as well, so you focus on the interview and having a conversation instead of trying to read chat while half listening to the answers.
been waiting for this interview for days! finally
It is very clear that Jonathan keeps thinking about POE after work hours. I really appreciate his openness to explaining his thought process about these concepts and not just giving a scripted answer. More devs need to be this accessible to their playerbase. It makes the players feel much more connected to the game when their concerns are acknowledged, even if they aren't immediately addressed. GGG's actual love of games gets me excited to sink another 4k hours into their work.
The hallmark characteristic of someone making a living off their passion.
So much respect to GGG for both recognizing when their position needs to change, and also taking the time to find solutions that can solve the problem identified while keeping their principles.
Another solution for respecing early characters is a separate quest chain, that only gives major bonus once, say, skill point + 2 respecs, but every time it's completed after gives minor respec reward (or progressive respec reward to rebuild everything). So it a newbie borked his build, he can go farm the quest line - which should be faster than redoing the campaign. It's partially works this way now with pros always skipping respec side quests when they are leveling
In HC the visual clarity is definitely more of a concern, but in SC I usually don't care. As long as whatever pinnacle content has decent clarity that's all I ask.
Next patch
Respeccing a point now cost 1 orb of regret per allocated point.
THANKS ZIZ!
I've never played PoE. Despite knowing almost none of the jargon, I found this interview/conversation informative and entertaining. It's interesting to hear developer responses to direct feedback and their thought processes. It's also quite clear that the devs actively keep in touch with community concerns by discussing them internally to reach a resolution - it's nice to see that transparency. Hope you continue these talks.
Love how dedicated and thoughtful they are about everything that goes into the game. Looking forward to poe2 so much
LOVE the trade changes coming. Preventing botting and flippers by forcing them to acquire gold is genius! (I hope that gold is tied to time spent playing and not scalable by quantity/rarity gear.)
You can thank Last Epoch for that
Because i like the credit to be where it's due, this system is taken from last epoch's trade approach ! :) None the less, its a very good system !
@@bestmilioplat754 Pretty sure Warframe uses this system and has been around for 10 years. It has is major flaws btw, and I wonder if GGG will address those - namely they need hard gold sinks and to make gold itself relatively demanding to obtain.
Last Epoch simply challenged the idea that Trade CAN be handled without being distruptive or required; nothing more. The two systems are actually fairly far apart mechanically.
@@SunnyBloop I didn't know that, thank you!
Thanks for this AMAZING interview. I really enjoyed it.
Haven't played PoE in a while, but these GGG developer interviews are so interesting to watch/listen. It must be like people have said "They dont just design the game they play it", so they talk about something they like and I really enjoy it :)
Amazing interview! Excellent follow ups, also very excited about the fixes to trading.
Thank you Ziz, thank you Jonathan and Hrishi for offering so much insight into the vision of the game, where its headed, and WHY.
I am happy about a lot of things ive heard so far, excited to keep watching.
PoE seems like its heading in a good direction. a lot of gripes i have with it in its current iteration, are being adressed. thats wonderful :) great game, happy to keep playing it
55:00 To that discussion, this is how I would fix it: Add enough positive mods, to the point where it doesnt take 3-5 rolls (minimum) to get a decent mod. In an optimal world, its a 50/50 whether i gotta "chaos" my map once, to make it not dreadfully bad. and it should average out to be better than the previously bad map.
To put some abitrary numbers behind it or example: lets say maps are judged on a % based number, how good they are. juice and all that. when your maps drop, they usually will be (by nature of chance) around 50% juicy map. but sometimes, a map drops, and is just poorly rolled, like 20-30% juicy (idk 1 or 2 positive mods.) but then you slam a chaos, it rolls more positive mods (idk 2-3 total. and then the negative 3-4mods along it). Now you have your 50% juicy map, or maybe if u got lucky, and hit 4 positive map mods. 70% juicy map. now just add scarabs, chisel all that jazz. and you have your 100% juiced map.
The amount of rolls is ofc subjective, but I am just thinking, this would be a good solution perhaps.
1:55:00 OKAY! Nice :) I like the conclusion, and reaction. Very reasonable approach to why and how they wanna fix the economy problems that come with instant buyout
Let's go dude 🎉
Really great interview! Good for POE players, but also for game developers in general. It was really informative on the nuances you need to keep in mind while iterating on old, and developing new systems. It was a masterclass in how a company should communicate with the community of your game.
Great interview. Alot of very nice information
The idea of a gold fee for an auction-house instant buyout transaction is f***ing genius. It gives the players what they want while limiting trading done by bots who never leave the hideout.
Because i like the credit to be where it's due, this system is taken from last epoch's trade approach ! :) None the less, its a very good system !
HOPEFULLY! they implement the auction house wherein you can still buy from people who are already offline. This will solve the current market of POE1 being bad/dead when nearing league end.
If there is a way to turn it on/off (from the seller perspective), then it would be nice. The problem is if there is no option related to that, and you go offline to sleep, then suddenly an item/mod goes up by 1500% because of popular streamers/youtubers and you cannot do anything about it.
Eh, i dont see how the volatility of the market is their problem.
@@caneca4395
@@caneca4395 u can just unlist item
No. This will deflate prices so much, and people will just throw all their trash in the auction. It also makes designing your hideouts pointless if trading is not face to face anymore. They need to think of a different solution for this problem.
@@rayu7191 Nah, just add AH. Fuck other people's hideouts and dealing with non-responsive shitheads.
Took me a few days to get through it all, but great interview. I was totally unprepared for the trade news when it hit; awesome!
Really nice interview.
I would add for trading:
-gold cost for posting/ buyinh stuff.
-The currency you get for a sale would go to a remove only special tab to avoid problems
-Let people buy fe standart stuff if the seller is playing on league
-Just change /trade to have a buy button and gold fee instead of whisper and a message if the item was already sold or something.
-You could experiment with making it like mandatory to be online to sell ....
Keep up the good work ! 😊
"-You could experiment with making it like mandatory to be online to sell"
Why? this will only hurt (or not benefit) league activity as it ages and population falls.
@@visca.prescindible You have a good point. I was thinking about price changes.But thinking about it again , if a price rises a lot quickly and it's only online this would hurt old listings.. having something like a system to limit a posting for x time would be better for this. Fe if an item doesnt sell in 3 months it delists itself.
"Regret orbs droprate is now 1/1000 of what is was before", thanks Ziz! x'D
I mean an inverse level scaling where they are higher the lower the character level and go down would also kinda solve the problem. Get it to the point that leveling an alt is the meta to get regret orbs and suddenly rolling a new character just happens AND new players can respec more easily.
@@thehob3836 I'd say a solution to both satisfy players and devs is to give more respec points from the campaign. There you solve the lower lvl respec problems but keeps the end game the same.
@@thehob3836that is not a smart solution, main reason being it opens another avenue of profit for people to bot, starting with an amount of free respecs that trickle down as you level would be better.
Though I have to say nowadays I use regrets mostly in high levels when I want to switch builds entirely on existing characters(however it costing more would not hurt that much I suppose)
What would happen is, people might even create new characters to farm regret orbs in earlier acts and will sell that to high level whales. That's just how the economy works
@iparadoxg sounds like a great early game money-making scheme
Ziz trying sooo hard to not just start screaming of excitement
Great question and suggestion on the shadow nodes.
Great questions Ziz!
When they are talking about respecing around 32:40, It might be too much extra work for them to do, but I wonder if they have ever thought about a milestone system where it encourages the thematic class type choice they are talking about, and lets you free respec each cluster of nodes if you don't like them instead of each individual node.
Such as, at the moment it already has branching choices at the start between life vs damage or armor vs mana etc at the start, and later fire vs cold damage etc.
So the way it could work is, once you make the choice, say life, you can freely respec points resetting it back to zero (only about 3-7 points at a time), in order to go back to the other path for damage instead if you think you have made a bad choice and do no damage.
For another example, say you're playing a melee class, and have a branching choice between bleed vs impale, you can pick up all the bleed nodes in that section (like up to ~7), just to try them out as you level, but if you're not liking the style of bleed, instead of making an entirely new level 40+ character because you don't have 10 regrets yet, you can free respec all the bleed nodes back to zero, and put them into impale to try that instead, then if you don't like impale, reset them and go with something else, effectively like a free trial on each cluster of nodes until you have tested them out.
Once you start going beyond the latest chosen nodes such as bleed, it locks the previous area of the tree, and you need to pay the normal regret orb cost to respec that area of the tree.
Effectively making each regret orb ~5 times stronger, by unlocking entire clusters at a time, then they can make fewer of them drop making them more valuable to the player, and you won't need hundreds of them to respec at max level, and would be much less likely to use them like this because you could have tried all the other paths along the way and would be much more confident in your build.
Hope that makes sense, wonder if this would work better or not, what do you think?
Just watched the whole Video good Job on the Interview
Juicy new trade system discussion is at 1:51:35
Thanks!
Thanks, bud!
One problem with immunities/very high resists that wasn't mentioned is the interaction with group play. A solo player would have to degrade their build to enable focus on multiple damage types while group players could focus on just one damage type as long as their group has a variety of damage types.
1:51:35 Thank you ziz for highlight this! finaly we got little light about trading in poe.
Both Jonathan and Hrishi will go down in history as truly legendary game devs for their insanely intelligent and candid takes. It’s such an amazing thing to watch these guys talk about this awesome game.
Real improvements to trading? Well. That's a game-changer. That might actually get me playing again, trade was always by far the most hated thing for me. Good going GGG!
Feel the same way. Trading feels horrible to me in Poe1. I was actually considering quitting Poe1 after 12 years of playing and switch to LE because of their trade system. Now I will play both Poe2 and LE. 😊
Thanks Jonathan and Hrishi for answers! That is my favorite interview so far, so many good on-point questions, even after many reveals from the other interviews. Amazing job, Ziz! My excitement level for PoE 2 is throught the roof already!
PS: yay to pineapples on pizza!
Thanks Ziz. So glad the guys at GGG are always so welcoming to open communication between players and developers. It shows me that they are passionate about the game they've created and that player opinion is important to them. Not many companies willing to be that transparent *COUGH BLIZZARD COUGH*
im sold on PoE 2 already with the instant buy-out
1:55:00 They managed to reinvent the Vanilla WoW auction house after more than a decade. Amazing.
It's not though, it would be the bartering system we currently have, with a gold buyout fee.
About Pause, if Pause would have cooldown before it's applied it would solve all issues with abuse-ability.
Example: Press Pause, Pause in 3-2-1 and Pause is applied, if anyone did play Warframe in missions (Defence and other on wave 5 when you vote, or more than 1 Void Relic in any Relic hunts), there wouldn't need for "Blackout" solutions and so on.
I love the stuff that keeps coming out of these interviews!
Thanks a lot @zizaran for doing another one with these lovely devs. Poe2 will be the game of the century :)
I'm glad to see that the trade system in Last Epoch is already impacting his competitors, mainly GGG. The gold fee for trading, and not being able to trade gold, only being able to farm gold, is effectively Favor in Last Epoch, which you have to spend in order to buy an item in addition to the item's cost in gold.
Chris Wilson will always be a legend but I'm really liking Jonathan as a game lead.
His intelligence is so, so obvious.
Chris is passionate, Jonathan is thoughtful and insightful. Both are necessary, but Jonathan is way better as a public facing role because he actively tries to understand every question and problem brought to his attention and that makes people feel heard.
Poe is a passion project for these developers. So I will always support them however I can. Amazing creators who care greatly for community satisfaction it’s amazing to see in the current climate
As for respecing, from a poe 1 perspective tying low cost or free respect to kitava's curse seems like a good option
The buyout thing, is a dream come TRUE for me as a player.
Agreed. I don't trade because it's simply too painful. Instant buyout is huge.
incoming trade bots who monitor the auction house 24/7 and repost...it'll be pure insanity.
@@tcasex Hate to break it to you, they already exist in some ways.
@@tcasexthat‘s literally how it is already kekw
not sure how they're going to get the gold to buy.@@tcasex
Simple solution: free respec on eternal/persistent server, no/limited respec on leagues.
back in a days you get free full respec in standard with every league. Something changed?
@@staskozak8118 no it hasn’t changed, idk what the comment means either 🤷♂️
loved it, good questions and follow-ups!
This was extremely good news. I love the transperency the GGG team has always had with the players. Thank you Ziz for asking amazing questions.
Can Jonathan ever let his colleagues finish a sentence? It becomes really obvious the more interviews i watch. Why even have a second person with him. I know he has a lot of interesting things to say but please we want to hear from everyone :)
It's good to have a variety of voices!
damn this title got me hyped
Great video! Looks like Jonathan holds his mic like he’s holding a beer lol
I would do what they are doing in last epoch with the whole SSF thing. I only really play poe with 1 friend and i would love to be able to play a "BroSF" mode where those chase uniques are more common and things actually drop and are farmable without minmaxing meta scarabs and juice. That would be such an amazing system.
Jonathan saying that regardless of price he feels that creating items with the PoE community would be worth it should tell you all you need to know about GGG. They actually care about the game they create.
"I think having some skills you cant see bothers me a lot" .... **gestures wildly at the entirity of POE 1 as it stands**
Thanks for the solid interview. Great questions! You can tell they are really passionate about POE2 and I think that will show in the quality of the game. Looking forward to it!
Awesome interview! The trade news is very exciting, although I will miss visiting other player's hideouts. I was wondering if maybe there would be an option to trade the old fashioned way and avoid the fee, but that actually makes it harder for the seller too, so it probably wouldn't work.
Need to say it, those trades advances are mostly thx to Las Epoch approach to trade/ssf 1:51:52
The Dev literally said that's why they revisited trade... your comment made it sound like an epiphany
Competition is always the biggest driver of development. If Diablo 4 wasn't absolute ass, POE would be even better right now
@@PaulaDeensButterDish True, GGG was lucky that D4 is actually dogshit boring so they dont feel they have to rush to compete
For the respec of points, I would say to have x amount of "level regrets" and you lose 1 or 2 of those per level up. That way, the more you level up or you respec the less you have. And at level 80 or so the number gets to 0 or 10 normally.
Oohh, I like that. That is a smart way to do it. Could call it something like apprentice/protege points that go down as you level. A good target would be having 30-40 max by the time you reach level 50 which is generally where league starts tend to be coming online (excluding racing meta outliers).
This is a really good idea!
and how it help? How people without understanding what they will face in endgame (when build matter) will effectively using this points early?
@@staskozak8118 It doesn't help to respect the full build at level 60 or 70 but normally by level 50 your build is already falling off quite a bit and you would have the normal campaign respecs plus whatever number this still gives you at 50. The point is still having decision making matters while making it easier to solve mistakes. Removing penalties for making mistakes altogether is not a good idea and this way, combined with the idea of the preview status of x points used that ziz mentioned could be pretty close to that. Realizing your build sucks early will give you more chance to respec. If you have to power through 30 levels with a baf build and you didn't think about respec until level 70, then thats on the player
I like how in tune these guys are with the community and the overall meta, things are looking promising for PoE2
super interesting that they directly mentioned last epoch and how their reveal of handling trade and SSF made them consider things again. last epoch is kinda janky for now, but you can tell the devs are passionate.
Finally they acknowledged about TFT's situation. Hopefully we get an auction house!!
You are naive my dude.
Auction House LOL
@@FereniaO Yeah imagine making the system better and eliminating the chance to be scammed by having a middle ground system. LOL HOW WEIRD IS THAT RIGHT?! weirdo
@@fish5645 how smart of you to have created the perfect AH that solves everything and to call people weirdos on the internet when they have a laugh at a misconception and express their pessimism of an AH. By any means, Please do share how an AH is guaranteed to make the system better and remove scams/pricefixing/markups etc. with GGG! Looking forward to the explanation! rude-mouthed freak...
Hands down Ziz's interview with devs feels the best out of the ones out there
I feel like Ziz interview was great, however Kripparians was just as good in my opinion :) He had looked up a ton of posts before hand
Great interview, well done Ziz! :D
Great in depth interview. Thanks to Ziz and GGG!
My only big issue still revolves around respecs that keep me from returning season after season.
In all of the games I have played I love build tools and min maxing. It's as much a fun part of the game as the game itself. But using Path of Building is not the same as trying something on live to see the real results and when you hit the brick wall, that will happen especialy as you learn, you want the ability to execute new options without punishment. The season should be about learning and adapting, not following a guide or preplanning every step for the next few months. Painful respecs is the main reason I rage quit for the season and likely pass on the next season until I forget how angry I got. It ends my engagement with the season.
Just think of all of the players you can engage and keep engaged by making free tweaks and changes to the build.
Unfortunately GGG seemed more interested in "I don't want people respecing on the fly" and stopping that behavior of the top tier, punishing the many. Even if people would engage in that behavior, it still rewards those players for knowing the game inside and out, and isn't that one of the things that really drives POE in the first place: POE knowledge is POE power, play learn new info, build and get better results....without suffering because this a game after all not a job, for most of us.
Ziz, keep up the good work and thanks for bringing up this topic in your interview!
TFT in shambles lmfao
Going to drop poe 1 for poe 2 just for the AH, if not implemented on poe1
nah
It's not an auction house. It's something better than an ah that doesn't come with the same botting issues
On visual clarity topic, i love and always look up MTX for the skill im using. Its a great opertunity to design MTX based on better visual clarity. I wil probably end up using it.
How cool is that! They did really take their time!
Jenebu still not banned after harassing + doxing lmao
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Nothing illegal tho.
@@fast1nakusi‘m pretty sure that GGG has to do something if a player is another player doxxing over the game
I don‘t know exactly but i‘m pretty sure they HAVE to do it because of the law
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@@TheMCmace what law?
At least they have accepted that there is an issue with Trading.
Good job Last Epoch!( a competitor was needed to nudge their ego!)
What aggressive ass wording “nudge their ego” is, I don’t know how these devs can ooze passion for the genre from d1/2 to LE and the takeaway from some people of the community is to be negative and pedantic, NOT to say that they are perfect or mistakes aren’t made but I don’t feel they are deserving of vitriol
Yeah, it took them like 7 years for the most basic ideas. I can't believe Last Epoch made them do this. They'd have never done this of their own.
Even now we still get these plain wrong manifesto like takes. Like how players wouldn't accept anything, but instant trade when all we wanted was semi-feature parity with the asian client (regarding trade).
Now if they were to finally take a look at stack sizes beyond the bare minimum.
@@FereniaOwish I could have liked this x100.
@@dakai4992 very dumb, unnecessary comment
@@FereniaO Sure, it might seem like it if you are a completely blind, devote and actuallly unnecessary fanboy. But not everyone pretends a 5% dog treat is a complete chef's menu.
In that regard I do praise them for what they do great (e.g. atmosphere, endgame engagement) and give them shit when they start bullshitting again (usually QoL, balance, anything trade, the Vision).
I love how Jonathan's brain works, the way he approaches games is inspirational
I really like getting rewards from other activities in different things. I don't like certain content so for ssf having a chance to get say blight pols elsewhere is nice. That said having a way to spec into it would be nice where it is still a lower chance then speccing out for a particular league mechanic